Healing from man or God The truth about it

[turtle (turtle)]

I was reading another link and to tell you the truth Godchild last post I read is the reason for the topic. I would of responded on the other thread but I shook the dust off my feet there.

After Christ ascended into heaven the apostle began spreading the good news of Jesus. They also performed miracles. Now were the miracles done by apostles miracles done thru them by God or where the apostle the healers?

Simple fact if someone prays for you and you are healed you are not healed by the person that is doing the praying. You are healed by God through the person that is praying. That why we ask in Jesus's Name His will be done. Man can not heal all they can do is be obedient to God's voice when he says to pray or to lay hands on somone. It is not us doing the miracle but God. We are just an instrument.

Faith healers in the unites state need to be warned that they claim the power is dangerous. It is not our power to use but God's power to use through us. We are just servants of God. Yes he calls us His child, but we are mere servants with the adoption of Christ sacrifice for us. So this doesn't make us equal to Christ but sharers of eternal life.

[love22698 (love22698)]

GOD is the only healer there is. if a person is healed it is certainly through faith in HIS NAME. a person can and will be used to do the praying but it is still GOD who heals

[wyoming (wyoming)]

Turtle,

The topic as "tongues". You must have been offended by the link I gave you. Getting off that as the primary topic, I believe that the Holy Spirit is active in the world today and that God answers prayer. At times, He heals in ways we don't understand and could never be proven to non-Christians. My argument is that there were some fantastic miracles performed by the Apostles, or by God in the presence of the Apostles, that you do not see duplicated today, now that the Apostles are no longer with us.

God is not to be manipulated or molded like putty in our hands, and be like Santa Clause to perform miracles on demand. The less we are part of it, the greater liklihood He will recognize our simple faith, so that we cannot boast.

I believe there are many false claims of healing, in the pentcostal churches, than there are of actually healings. And like most of us who get sick, we heal anyway. Some people get deathly sick because they have severe anger and bitterness. When they get right with God, such as in a revival meeting, they get well. Many of us are ill because we earned it and we deserve it, due to bad habits and exposures and poor nutrition. Why should God overrule and heal some of us and foresake the rest of us, when all things are equal by faith among us?

[turtle (turtle)]

Maybe it is a lack on some part that some are not healed. But I really do not want to go there. My whole experience that I had the gift of tongues and interpetation was present. Realize my husband did not at that time bleive in the gifts of tongues or interpetation. But he received the interpetation. I don't think we will ever see the gifts like we did in the apostle day in the magnitude that took place because of the fact very few truly believe in god miraclous power. The christians have gone to sleep. But i do think that it can still happen and does happen today as in the book of ACts but not as many real cases that are known. Were you able to access my testimony off the hppt link i gave. I shared it alot on here so either place you read it is the same.

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, maybe I am confused but your story seems to change. You said a man placed in hands on you and spoke in tongues. Now you say you had the gift of tongues. Are you speaking of different incidences?
In Romans 14 Paul argues that Christians whould not judge one another in these areas but are to give each other the freedom to do whatever each considers will please the Lord. Having said that, I want to share the following: Paul's subject is spirituality not simply spiritual gifts. 1 Cor. 12:1 Now concerning indicates that Paul was responding to another question addressed to him in a letter from the Corinthian church. It is likely that they viewed a person who spoke in tongues as especially spiritual, one uniquely possessed by the Spirit. A person truly speaking by the Holy Spirit will never curse Jesus; by the same token, no one can genuinely proclaim the lordship of Christ without the enabling of the Spirit. It is possible that some of the Corinthians were giving supposed "Spirit-induced utterances" in which they denigrated the physical, historical Jesus in favor of a "spiritual" heavenly Christ. This type of teaching weould have been something like an early form of gnosticism, a false teaching in the early church that viewed the body as evil and the soul as good.
The Corinthisans had carried into their christian experience pagan notions about spirituality. In that culture, ecstatic experiences were taken as evidence of intimate contact with the gods. Thus epilepsy was called the divine disease. Falling down in an epileptic fit was often described by the phrase "and the god took him." Oracles like that at Delphi might breathe volcanic fumes; the resultant muttering was interpreted by priests as messages from the gods. Thus the apparently similar gift of speaking in tongues deeply impressed the Corinthians and was taken as evidence of the spirituality of the speaker.
Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 12 that all gifts are expressions of the Spirit's presence in the believer's life, and that all believers are essential, even as every member of a living body is necessary for it to function. In 1 Corinthians 13 Paul teaches that love is the real indication of one's closeness to God and thus of his or her spirituality. Throughout these chapters Paul takes the position that, while a valid spiritual gift, tongues speaking is not a premier gift. He says, "I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues" (14:5).

[godchild (godchild)]

Would a pentacostal church hire a preacher who does not speak in tongues?

[turtle (turtle)]

Soryy Godchild for the confusion I meant there was the gift of tongues present and interpetation, but realize the interpetation did not come tell my husband and I left the church. I could go edit the post but then it would look funny on this page you asking me a question about what I said.

I do not know if this is why paul addressed the church with his concerns but it could be very possible. If you got people doing something and yet there outward show is different like cursing God, then there is a problem. You can't curse God and praise him in the same breath.

Question would a non speaking in tongues minister be allowed to preach in a pencostal church? That is a good question. Depends on the church and the pastor. Some pencostal are real strict on that fact and believe that in order to have the Holy Spirit you must speak in tongues. They take God's word out of context. Speaking in tongues is a gift. If you think about it why did they speak in tongues on the day of pentecost to witenss to people from many lands. Would of been hard for God to do that without everyone hearing it in there own language. Some people even go as far as saying they heard it in there own language and that the apostle really didnt' speak in unknown tongues. That is why one must search scripture very closely. There is a reason for each gift that God demonstrates through someone. It isn't for show but to win the unbelieving. It is like my arguement with Jason I do not see how handling a snake proves anything when there are people that do it for a living.

What I experience doesn't happen everyday in my church. But this is the problem some pentecostal do not recognize other protestants or catholics at all. They think they are superior. The truth is they are not. All christian are on the same playing field so to speak. We all start the race and all must finish it. WE either believe God or we don't. WE either doubt or we dont'. I do think the minister in my church would be open to a non speaking in tongues minister. But there are ministers he woould never let behind the pulpit and that is even ones that claim the gift. You can't use the gifts for your benfit they are for God to use through you. You may have the gift of interpetation or the gift of discernment but they may not be fluent in your everyday life.

I would rather have people in a church that never spoke in tongues out loud then ten that did for the reason it can cause confusion and God is not the author of confusion and who does it bless if I speak in tongues or you do and there is no interpetation. It may build up the believer doing so but it does nothing for the church.

[love22698 (love22698)]

a person who does not speak in tongues would never be hired by our CHURCH which is of the pentacostal faith. if he doesnt have it he could not be effective in trying to get others to receive or beleave them.

[turtle (turtle)]

Love not all pencostal feel that way though. But alot do. There are acceptions.

[turtle (turtle)]

Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 12:13 pm: by Godchild on another thread.

I asked on the other thread if pentacostals would hire a preacher who didn't speak in tongues. The answer were no and unknown. Herein lies the danger. Just believing in the gift of speaking in tongues is not enough. The Bible firmly states that 'some' would be given this gift and 'some' other gifts. Not that everyone would have all the gifts. The idea is ludicrous. In other words, if a preacher is required to have one gift (especially the gift of tongues which is the lessor gift) they must be required to have all the gifts. This sets the people up to idolatry of their preachers, thinking they have 'all' the gifts. I must return the warning given to me.

<font color="0000ff">I never said a pencostal minister would not allow a non pencostal preacher that did not speak in tongues speak. Someone else did. That is not true in all pencostal churches each one is very different from the others. If you ask Love what type of pencostal he or she is you might find out that he or she is not of the same pencostal group I am. But you better off asking what their basic beliefs are. There are two types of pencostals and you can not link them all together. If you do you leave yourself out. The minister I am under believes that as long as you are lead by the Holy Spirit and it is evident in your life then you can preach or teach in his church. But realize this is different then some pencostals that believe the gift of tongue must be evidence. So yes from what I know of my pastor I do feel he let a non speaking in tongue person preach as along as they preached Jesus. </font>

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, I credited you as the 'unknown'. Your comment "then you can preach or teach in his church." You say you are a member of 'one of two' pentacostal churches. Please refresh my memory of which one you belong to. And please give the name of the other one, if you can. And are they affiliated with a 'national' pentacostal church? It is confusing to try and sort them out; in other words, yours and their basic docrines.

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, yesterday you opened a door then quickly closed it again. I am speaking of your comment "Maybe it is a lack on some part that some are not healed." Then you said, "but I don't want to go there." May I ask why not?

[wyoming (wyoming)]

My Turtle Dove,

I appreciated your testimony that you directed me to, and I accept you... not that I matter. Bee said that she conveyed to you that I had read it and that I appreciated it.

--Alan.

[turtle (turtle)]

I assume and if I am wrong forgive me, you have read alot of jason post not just about snakehandling but about being Jesus Only. Then there are pencostals that are like the Assembly of God,Church of God out of cleveland tenn and pencostal holiness. I am in a independent group that claims to be pencostal holiness but our beliefs are the same as the assemblies and church of God. These groups go in line with main stream denomainations like Southern Baptist and United Methodist except for the doctrine of the baptizism of the Holy Ghost. They believe the basics.

For example The doctrine of the Trinity God in three persons. The virgin birth, Salvation comes only through Jesus. That Christ is our atonement for our sins. Sanctification, Justifiction and baptizism of the Holy Spirit.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_pent.htm

That tells some of the difference between the two major groups. I have keep most of my baptist if not all except how I say once saved always saved. But we have debated this so i won't here.
From the best of my knowledge the group I am with the pastor would of been part of the holiness movement. With it being an independent church it is only eight years old. But coming from a baptist background I feel very much at home with the way they teach. But like I have shared so many times I ran into the group that was oneness in doctrine. And that whole group may not be like Jason group in doctrine. No it didnt' handle snakes but it preached alot of lies. What is kind of strange is I had opportunity to teach the truth about God in that church, mainly probably, because the guy was really a con artist then a preacher. But after some research i came to the conclusion he was oness.

Here is a link out of christianity today that might shed some light but not alot.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/004/22.60.html

These were a few sites I found when doing research on the subject a few months back.

[turtle (turtle)]

First before I begin another discussion about healing, let me say thank you to wyoming for taking time to read and no you did not have to and no it makes no difference but may my testimony be a blessing to someone that needs to hear it and see God's work and not mine.


Now to answer Godschild's other question. There is different reason I believe that people are not healed, and I had stated that some are not healed by lack of faith. But I dont' like that reasoning. This is what I believe. I believe it is God's will for all to be healed. The problem is when will it be God's will to heal someone. Sickness and disease in the bible was known to be because of sin. But it John, Christ asked the religious leaders who sinned the man born blind or his parents. No one knew. REalize this man was an adult and been born blind since birth. Then Jesus healed why because it glorified God for the one instant in time. It was for God's glory and purpose.

We as christian sometimes forget to thank God for just simple healing like a bad case of the flu or common cold. Did God heal? Depends on how you look at things. God made the doctors that gives medicine. God designed our bodies with natural healing that takes place in the body. If you got a stronge immune system you can fight most common ailments. But if you are sick or crippled it takes a Doctor most of the time unless you receive a miraclous healing. Either way God gave man brains to study medicine. So whether you get healing miraclously or by medicine did God not heal you. Should we not thank God for healing no matter how it comes. Death can be a form of healing too. If you are a believer death and being with Jesus and being completely healed is a blessing in itself. WE on earth dont' see the healing but we can rest assure God heals.

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, Can I suggest you become firmer in your convictions? On the one hand, you say you believe speaking in tongues can bring miraculous healing and that you practice it. Then you come with a whole lot of stuff that just looks like it comes from a confused mind. Such as "The problem is when will it be God's will to heal someone." You mention the healing of the blind man then say it was 'for the one instant in time' so Jesus could glorify God. I think you should re-study this for a better understanding of what Christ was trying to express. You say 'should we not thank God for the healing no matter how it comes, and "but I don't like that reasoning" (a reasoning you made about lack of faith being the reason some are not healed). I believe your heart is in the right place but if your statements are a product of what you are thinking at the time you post, please try to get your thoughts together beforehand. Your final words ????? If you are a believer death and being with Jesus and being completely healed is a blessing in itself. WE on earth don't see the healing but we can rest assure God heals. Redundant! Two words could have expressed what you finally said, 'God heals'. In your first post on this thread you said it is God that does the healing, not some man putting his hands on you. Do you get this? I am truly not trying to offend you, please give yourself a break.

[turtle (turtle)]

God shild,
Never said tongues could be miraclous healing. ONly God can and if you read my biography on the link i gave you would of known. I dont' give man speaking in tongues credit but God. YOu read way to much into what I say Godchild.

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, not 'be', bring about. There is a big difference. When I said I read your link, you can take my word that I read it.

[turtle (turtle)]

REad John 9 the man born blind maybe it will unconfuse you. Also read the story in John 5. Purpose for healing of the impotent man. Then talk to me. I am not confused.

John 9:1-41
(1) And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
(2) And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
(3) Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
(4) I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
(5) As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
(6) When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
(7) And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
(8) The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?
(9) Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.
(10) Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?
(11) He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
(12) Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not.
(13) They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.
(14) And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
(15) Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
(16) Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
(17) They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
(18) But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.
(19) And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?
(20) His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:
(21) But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.
(22) These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
(23) Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
(24) Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.
(25) He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
(26) Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?
(27) He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?
(28) Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.
(29) We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.
(30) The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
(31) Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
(32) Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
(33) If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.
(34) They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
(35) Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
(36) He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
(37) And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
(38) And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
(39) And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
(40) And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
(41) Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, You are obviously trying to make a point to me. What is your point?

[turtle (turtle)]

No laying on of hands can not even bring about or of healing. God may use someone to lay hands on you and pray but that very act is the healing it is obedience to what the Holy Spirit says do. Just like going to the doctor may be God's will for you to seek treatment that way. Because there are times healing takes place in a patient and it can not be explained by medicine or a doctor but it is proof to a doctor that he is not the healer but God is. Yet often times doctors that are not christians do try and explain it away. No matter what God is still the healer. Some people are lead to pray for the sick to get well. They go and lay hands on someone as God directs that is not them doing but obedience to God. YOu can just pray for someone and they be healed. Did your pray heal someone no but your requested God for healing. God heard and answered and healed. YOu pray for someone that is going to go to the doctor and pray is lifted to God for the physician to know what to do. Medicine is a game of chances but God is not. Doctors only can hope what they do will help there are no guarantees in medicine.

Godchild you seem to attribute the healing in the person on the thread I aborted to the mormon that prayed for the person. You seem to think healing comes through hands on that testimony. Satan is a liar and a deciever and comes as an angel of light with miracles and miraclous works. God allows certain things for a reason. I do not know why. But if man takes credit for what God does it is wrong.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

Hi Turtle

<font color="0000ff">Medicine is a game of chances but God is not. Doctors only can hope what they do will help there are no guarantees in medicine.</font>

Not every prayer to God will result in a patient being healed. Sometimes God turns down our prayer requests. So, isn’t medicine still a game of chance when praying to God?

[turtle (turtle)]

yaakov, WE never know when or how God will heal. But as a christian I believe healing will come whether through death and being in heaven or through time that God has planned for healing to take place. Our job as a believer is to continue to pray no matter whether healing is now or later. I wait eight long years for healing and really longer because i had chronic pain longer but not the severe pain I had for eight years. God could of choose to wait til I was in my eighties to heal me but God still would of healed. It is not our timing ever. It is His to decide when and where. Health problems can teach a person reliance on God or many other things. Something disease is not caused by sin but to draw us near to God. It can also be a test of our faith.

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, You missed my point completely. mormons worship a different god; a man who became god. My point was that people can convince themselves of many things.
It is wonderful that you were healed. If you want to believe it was because God gave a preacher power through the Holy Spirit to heal you, that's your perogative. I still have seen no evidence of the interpretation of the tongues. You said what your husband did was 'ask you what you thought of the church.' I don't think you ever gave the tongue interpretation. Did you?
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[turtle (turtle)]

First of all there are no power in the ministers hands. It was just what he had to do in obedience to God. Second i did give the interpetation but you have ignored it if you had read my bio you would have known what it was. SEE there you say you read it but you did not. Third the devil can perform miracles.

[turtle (turtle)]

I wonder Godchild if you don't have an ailment that you have been asking God to heal and have not received it? Realize God the only healer, no minister hands or doctors can heal a person. Only God power can. And realize one more thing there is a verse that says we are blessed by the very breath we breathe. God controlls everything. yet he does give us choice. God child ministers can't heal, only God can. Only God's power but we are able to make request to God for healing and sometimes we have to just wait. Pray about this i suggest before you type again and try to say i say minister hands heal you apparently ignore everything I have said. YOu dont' seem to grasp God.

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, you are correct when you say only God can heal, not ministers. Since this is clear in your mind, you no longer need to insinuate, which you did, that your healing was due to the minister or the lady with him and crediting speaking in tongues to the healing.
As for my prayer life, I do not pray for healing, only that my suffering might glorify God. When I am in pain, I ask the Lord to help me get through it, and He always does. I have had carpol tunnel in both wrists for over ten years and yet I feel no pain when I type for hours on end. I have had arthritis for 20 years but am able to move furniture, carry heavy things up my stairs, and all things required for my day to day living. I was diagnosed with a hiatal hernia over 20 years ago which caused me great pain and the necessity for medication but for which I now only take a tums once in awhile. I had severe anxiety attacks which nearly destroyed my life, but now I can go anywhere without fear. I have a torn rotator cuff in my knee and yet I seldom have more than a twinge of pain once in awhile. God knows my needs. I do not pray for what He can do for me, but what I can do for Him. His grace is sufficient for me.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

Turtle

Knowing that everything, including doctors and medicines come from God, I choose to make use every available avenue that God offers. My healing regimen is to go to doctors, take medicine, take care of my body, nourish my soul and pray to God.

[turtle (turtle)]

Godchild, I want to commend you on your post except for one thing I disagree never gave credit to man and never will. You just interpete what I said that way. But I want to leave you with this thought and these verses because they are for you. And yes despite your health needs God has provided for you to be able to type, to lift and to do more then technically you are physically able. But God is our healer too. God promises are for everyone that believes. Not just turtle, or others you have heard give testimony in your life of healig but it is for you. Read this psslms, Lord showed me these verses when I was real sick and close to death.

Psalms 103:2-3
(2) Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
(3) Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

Actually the whole chapter of Psalms 103 is good to meditate on. But these two verse mean alot to me. He doesn't just heal our sin but also our infirmities. May God bless you Godchild.

[turtle (turtle)]

Turtle
turtle,
Knowing that everything, including doctors and medicines come from God, I choose to make use every available avenue that God offers. My healing regimen is to go to doctors, take medicine, take care of my body, nourish my soul and pray to God.

<font color="ff0000">This is one thing you and I agree on Yaakov, God is the healer no matter how He chooses to heal. But did you know yaakov some christians refuse to go to the doctor they don't see God using medicine for a cure. I wonder who these people think create medicine and the doctors. </font>

[godchild (godchild)]

turtle, May I suggest you read 2 Corinthians 12 where Paul said he prayed three times for his affliction, that it might depart from him; whereupon the Lord told him "My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness." And what did Paul say; "Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." Paul did not lack faith. Have you ever read 'The Song of Bernadette'. Her faith let her glorify God while suffering from an infirmity that was unknown because she never spoke of it. It was only discovered upon her death.
Before the quotes above, Paul spoke about telling the people about his infirmity so that they would see he wasn't above that which God saw him to be. Even though he was able to see all those revelations, he knew he wasn't exalted and didn't want the people to think him to be.
Have you read the stories of Corrie Ten Boom's life. Her life was spent preaching the word, after suffering horribly at the hands of the Nazis. The last five years of her life she was blind. Why didn't God heal her? Was her faith too small? Was she being punished for sin? I don't think so. God's grace was sufficient for her.

[turtle (turtle)]

I did not say God grace was not suffient, I often think of Joni Earkerson Tada, I think I mispelled her name. But I think you probably know her testimony too. She is a quaderplegic. Always whst God's will is not ours.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

turtle

<font color="0000ff">But did you know yaakov some christians refuse to go to the doctor they don't see God using medicine for a cure. I wonder who these people think create medicine and the doctors.</font>

Yes, I’ve read about people like that.

I would guess that since they believe in a devil that is independent of God, that they believe that some things come from God and other things come from devil. Perhaps they believe doctors and medicine come from the devil.

[easeltine (easeltine)]

Godchild,

Corrie Ten Boom was a Charismatic that believed in faith healing and deliverance. Do you want quotes from Corrie answering your questions to Turtle?

Erich

[turtle (turtle)]

I would love to here it Erich. Thank you for joining.

[godchild (godchild)]

Erich, I also believe in faith healing and deliverance. Once Corrie was speaking in Germany to German ministers. She wasn't sure how to approach them. So she started this way: "I intend to speak about conversion. Perhaps you have a label for me--a pietist? I shall talk about the Lord's return--that should label me a sectarian. I may even speak about the rapture of the Church--that makes me a fanatic. Or the fullness of the Holy Spirit--a Pentecostal. Keep your labels handy, gentlemen. Should my words touch your consciences, you have only to label me, set me in a corner and have nothing to fear." Corrie didn't care what label they put on her. She just wanted to give a message about Germany's great need for Christ. Corrie did believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Quote: When a person is open for the Lord Jesus Christ and all that He wants to give, and is closed to the world, and all that it wants to give, he is levelheaded. Here in Germany many people are still afraid of fanatics and excesses, but when we take the promises of 1 Cor. 14:12 seriously, and covet the best gifts earnestly (see 1 Cor. 12:31), we have nothing to fear and God will do miracles. How unbiblical is the assertion that we need only to love and that the gifts of the Spirit are superfluous. On the contrary! Paul begins 1 Corinthians 14 with the twofold sentence: "Follow the way of love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts."
I expect many pentacostals will jump on this and say, "See, Corrie Ten Boom said speak in tongues," when she said "seek the best gifts". What did Paul say the best gifts were? Read 1 Cor. 14:6-18, especially verse 18.