Do you beleive in Easter

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

The teaching of Easter in the Church is an abomination.
The word only occures once in Acts and is a mis-trasnslation of the word in the manuscripts "Passover".
Christ is our Passover, not our Easter
The example given to us through Moses at the first Passover was to have the Blood of the Lamb for protection against the death angel (satan)

Teaching the Heathen holiday Easter takes away from the true message that the Lord taught and lived in 'Passover'

The Christian community has allowed Jesus' glory to be overshadowed by hopping bunnies and rolling easter eggs.

That we as christians have not followed Passover and have substituted the Heathen worship of a sexual fertility ritual for our most high holy day is very unfortunate, however this does let a wise person discern between churches and doctrine. If a certain pastor teaches Easter, then he has a lot of learning to do and the 'taught' should be careful.

Find a church that beleives in Passover and not Easter. This may not be easy but it is possible.
Judgement begins at the house of God, at the pulpits.

I love the true word of God, but detest the watered down version that almost all churches teach.

Passover is a calculated date, which is different each year.

It is the 15th day of the new year(spring equinox)and not the first Sunday in April or their abouts.

The purpose of this thread is to teach Easter beleivers that the truth is not about Bunnies and eggs(fertility) but about when exactly Christ was crucified and the back ground teaching that is implied all throughout the Holy Scripts.

Love to all who truely seek the Lord with all their hearts

Peacehttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[love22698 (love22698)]

we have never taught our children about the easter bunny we always told them it was CHRIST death burial and ressurection that saved us and that was what we celebrated during easter. we also never taught our children about santa claus either we told them it was a day we celebrated as CHRISTS birth day even though we were not sure of the date.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

ezekiel_37

The Jewish holiday of Passover has absolutely nothing to do with the Christian holiday of Easter. I’m not sure why you are attempting to link the two. It would make more sense to link Martin Luther King day to Easter.

Now, if you want to point out that the Easter symbols of bunny rabbits and eggs have nothing to do with your deity or your bible, then that would be a valid thing to debate.

[common_sense (common_sense)]

Yaakov,
The Christian holiday is intended to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. According to the Biblical account, that happened during the Jewish Passover. So, our Christian celebration should be oriented around the dates of Passover, for historical accuracy at the very least.

Many Christians, while not making an issue of the date, forego the secular trappings of Easter and call the day Resurrection Sunday in an attempt to restore the proper focus.

While there may be no link between the traditional Jewish holiday of Passover and the secular holiday of Easter, there is a definite connection between Christ and the Passover. According to the NT, Christ was sacrificed as our Passover lamb. (1 Cor.5:7)

[wyoming (wyoming)]

Just because "Easter" is found in our Bibles, it doesn’t mean that the Bible endorses Easter. In the King James translation of Acts 12:4 - "... intending after Easter to bring him forth"? The Revised Version renders it "after the Passover," as it is given in the original. Easter and the Passover were coincidental with the Crucifixion that year.

The Bibles give no authorization for celebrating the resurrection of Christ. Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. 2, page 682: "The present variable time was appointed by early Romanism in amalgamation with the very ancient pagan spring festival to the goddess of spring. It was fixed on the Sunday immediately following the 14th day of the paschal moon which happened on or first after the vernal equinox."

Spiritual Christians do not celebrate the resurrection of Christ; they demonstrate it.

The Babylonian "queen of heaven," Semeramis, the wife of Nimrod, was the original impersonation of the heathen goddesses, Astarte and Venus of the Greeks, Juno, of the Latins, Ashtoreth, of the Zidonians, Ishtar of the Babylonians, and Eostre, the goddess of spring, of the early Anglo-Saxons. The Druids held religious festivities in her honor and of the sun-god in April, calling it "Easter Monath." Hence, the careless insertion of the word "Easter" instead of "Passover" in Acts 12:4 by the King James translators. It is a blot inexcusable on their otherwise excellent work.

Ishtar, or Eostre, was worshipped as the goddess of love and fertility, and as the life of nature. In Babylonish mythology this "queen of heaven" was worshipped as the goddess of the sexual impulse. In Hastings Encyclopedia of Religious Ethics, page 117, we read of these ancient "Easters": "A spring feast was celebrated. These occasions were marked with great sexual license." The "groves" connected with the "high places" that Israel so frequently "went a whoring with" (Psa. 106:28-39) were the images and places where these filthy "queen of heaven" festivals were carried on. The word "groves," found forty times in our English Bible, comes from the Hebrew word "Asherah" and is always associated with the worship of Ashtoreth, alias Ishtar, Eostre, the goddess of spring.

The so-called "Lent season" is of pure Babylonish origin. The word "Lent" came from the Saxon word "Lenct," meaning "spring." Pagan Mexicans also celebrate forty days in April. Forty days in the vernal equinox in April were celebrated by the devil worshippers of Koordistan in honor of the sun-god. This was brought from Babylon in 2000 B.C. where it originated in the weeping of Tammuz, the supposed reincarnation of Ishtar's (or Semeramis') husband (Nimrod). In the spring his death and reappearance was celebrated. A time of mourning was followed by one of joy. God condemned Israel's partaking in this celebration as given in Ezek. 8:13-14, "He said unto me turn thee yet again and thou shalt see greater abominations that the do. Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north, and behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz."

One may well ask, What connection have buns, eggs, rabbits and new clothes with the resurrection of Jesus Christ the Lord of glory? The origin of modern "hot cross buns" is sufficiently explained in Jer. 7:18; 44:17-19; "The children gather wood and the fathers kindle the fire and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke me to anger." Surely God's anger is still being provoked when Christians take up these heathen customs in connection with the resurrection of His beloved Son.

The custom of giving eggs in April can be traced to the philosophy and theology of the Egyptians, Persians, Gauls, Greeks and Romans, among whom the egg was the emblem of the universe - the work of the supreme Being. The dying of eggs can be traced to the Chinese. Eggs were the sacrificial emblem of the Druids. Rome made the egg to become the consecrated emblem of Christ's resurrection. Pope Paul V taught people to pray at Easter: "Bless O Lord, we beseech thee this thy creature of eggs that it may become a wholesome sustenance unto thy servants, eating it in remembrance of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Ancient Babylonians believed an egg fell from heaven into the Euphrates River and the fishes rolled it to the shore where the doves hatched out "the Queen of Heaven," or Ishtar. Hence, the egg became a symbol of Ishtar, the licentiously worshipped goddess of the ancients, and is used today be deluded, unthinking Christendom in its celebration of Easter. What an ungodly travesty!
The rabbit fad at Easter time can be traced back to pagan Germany. Children were told that if they were good, a white hare would steal into the house while they were asleep and secrete any number of beautifully colored eggs in odd corners of the house. Here then originated the modern "Easter egg hunt" provided for innocent children.

The hare [Easter Bunny], from ancient times was a symbol of the moon, it being a nocturnal animal. The hare is the only animal born with its eyes open. The Egyptian word for hare is "un," meaning "to open." Thus, the hare was associated with the opening of a new season, spring, in April, at the vernal equinox. The hare and eggs were mutually symbolic in Egypt of the opening of their new year, at which time eggs were ceremoniously broken.

Lastly, what about Easter sun-rise services? Do the two come under divine condemnation? Regardless of how or when they started, we need only to look to the criterion of God's holy Word, for "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word" and "whatsoever is not of faith is sin" (Rom. 10:17; 14:23). Hebrews 11:6 states that without faith it is impossible to please God. It is also true that without tradition it is impossible to please men. "God is a Spirit and the that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth" (the truth of God's Word), we read in John 4:24.

When God's people, Israel, took to the idea of "sun-rise services" God expressed His disapproval in Ezek. 8:15-18: "Turn thee yet again and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house and behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men with their backs to the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east; [[see link to Freemasonry]] and they worshipped the sun toward the east ... and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them." Reading this in God's Word and knowing that the sun-god, Baal, or Tammuz, the "husband-son" of Semeramis (Ishtar) has been given idolatrous homage from the very beginning of all idol worship, the spiritual, God fearing Christian will have no part with a Christ-rejecting world in seemingly innocent and sentimentally "beautiful" Easter sunrise service or in any and all Christ-deflecting customs which are of proved, Satan inspired, pagan origin.

http://www.mauricejohnsonarchives.com/Easter%20and%20Christmas.htm

[easeltine (easeltine)]

Hi,

My wife and I agree with Alan and the rest of you.

We try to teach our girl what Love22698 said, although we do not use the term Easter, because of what Alan wrote, rather "Resurrection Sunday."
Love22698 wrote this,

" we have never taught our children about the easter bunny we always told them it was CHRIST death burial and ressurection that saved us and that was what we celebrated during easter. we also never taught our children about santa claus either we told them it was a day we celebrated as CHRISTS birth day even though we were not sure of the date."

Having children and knowing the facts regarding these holidays sometimes can be challenging.

Erich

[yaakov (yaakov)]

common_sense

<font color="0000ff">The Christian holiday is intended to celebrate the resurrection … According to the Biblical account, that happened during the Jewish Passover. So, our Christian celebration should be oriented around the dates of Passover, for historical accuracy at the very least.</font>

Oh, now that makes common sense. Much as the Zambian holiday of Farmer’s day and the Chinese Holiday of People’s Liberation Army day fall on the same date, but are not linked in any way.

<font color="0000ff">Many Christians, while not making an issue of the date, forego the secular trappings of Easter and call the day Resurrection Sunday in an attempt to restore the proper focus.</font>

That’s a good idea. IMO, you people are letting your holidays get corrupted and commercialized. It would be a good idea to regain the focus on the actual meaning of your religious holidays.

<font color="0000ff">According to the NT, Christ was sacrificed as our Passover lamb. (1 Cor.5:7)</font>

If I had a nickel for every bizarre Christian belief about Judaism, I’d be a rich man. It would be best for Christians just to focus on Easter and ignore Passover just because it happens to fall on the same day. I haven’t heard of too many Zambians trying to appropriate the Chinese Army day.

[common_sense (common_sense)]

<font color="0000ff">If I had a nickel for every bizarre Christian belief about Judaism, I’d be a rich man.</font>

LOL! I see your point, coming from your religious perspective. But this isn't actually a "Christian belief" about "Judaism" -- it is THE basis for Christianity.

<font color="0000ff">It would be best for Christians just to focus on Easter and ignore Passover just because it happens to fall on the same day.</font>

So, you see, we can't do that; to do so would be to deny our faith. And I'm not talking here about "taking over" the Jewish celebration of Passover; I'm talking about recognizing Christ as the Passover lamb -- the Lamb who came through the Jewish line and was slain to take away the sins of the whole world, the ultimate sacrifice, once and for all!

[common_sense (common_sense)]

BTW, yaakov, have I ever told you that you are one of my favorite people here on FACTNet? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

Just to clearify,

The word Easter in Acts is in fact 'pascal' in the manuscripts
Look it up in a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Pascal=Passover
Easter is not Christian but has been adopted because of the proximity of the dates.

Easter 'was' celebrated on the first day of the spring equinox
Later, the heathen holiday was changed to try to coinside with the high Christian day of Passover,
which begins at sun set after the 14th day of the new year (starting at the spring equinox)

Jesus fulfilled much of the Law when He was sacrificed as the whole worlds Passover Lamb for our sins.

The story of Moses vs Pharo was the example and Christ is the fulfillment.
Passover is vital to Christians and Isrealites(all 12 tribes) not just Jews.

Peace and love to all who search for the truth

In Jesus Christ's precious name I pray that these posts help some who want to know the whole truth.

c

[yaakov (yaakov)]

No.

Thanks for the compliment.

I still don't get the Passover lamb nonsense. It should be an "Easter lamb". It makes as much sense as a Chinese army officer pointing to his tank and saying "This is my Zambian corn!"

[yaakov (yaakov)]

<font color="0000ff">The story of Moses vs Pharo was the example and Christ is the fulfillment.</font>

Ka-Ching!

Another nickel.

[common_sense (common_sense)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

Yaakov,
I believe the purpose of this thread was to point out the fact that Easter did NOT originate as a Christian celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Basically, it evolved into that. (whether for good or for bad is not my point here)

So, "the Passover lamb nonsense" (as you so eloquently express it) has no connection to Easter in that sense. On the other hand, the question of how Christ's death on the cross relates to the Passover lamb is worth exploring.

[easeltine (easeltine)]

Yaakov,

Christ ministry starts when He is baptized by John the Baptist. John the Baptist makes the following claim regarding Jesus.

John the Baptist was a prophet at the beginning of the N.T. He sees Jesus coming to him to be baptized and says, "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel."

Erich

[steelsword (steelsword)]

If you will notice in acts 12:4 it was the pagan Herod who was going to celebrate easter. Due to the fact THAT the celebrations were so close together, it became a time of witness for christians to the pagans. This is the only time Easter is mentioned in the Bible(KJV). We know
Herod would not be celebrating the passover. I think the word fits here,if you look at it in the context of Herod not wanting to mess up his celebration by leting Peter out ,and also not to cause problems during the 2 seperate celebrations.

[common_sense (common_sense)]

Steelsword,
That would be a little more convincing if the word that has been translated 'Easter' in the KJV was not "pascha" which the other 28 times it is used in the NT is clearly referring to the time of Passover.

[steelsword (steelsword)]

Common _sense i beleive you , but I think it is ironic that Easter was used in the KJV and in reference to Herod who was a known pagan.
It's Gods way of using wordplay to show us who practiced Easter. I myself call it Resurrection
Sunday &amp; not Easter Sunday.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

<font color="0000ff">I myself call it Resurrection Sunday &amp; not Easter Sunday.</font>

I agree. The word “easter” really doesn’t have much meaning. Resurrection Sunday is highly descriptive of the holiday. Even someone like me can figure what the holiday is for.

How do you go about getting the name of a holiday changed? Have yall tried to get the name changed before? Do you think just specific denominations would go for it?

[common_sense (common_sense)]

Yaakov,
As a Christian, I don't have any interest in reclaiming Easter. I suggest that we relinquish our religious ties to it and let it continue on as a secular celebration of Spring, complete with bunnies and eggs.
Any Christian observance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ should more appropriately coincide with the Jewish Passover and focus solely on celebrating His victory over death and the grave.
JESUS IS RISEN!

[dondi (dondi)]

Yaakov, are you a devout Jewish man? I mean, do you believe in Jesus as the messiah or not?

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

I don't beleive that the Festival of Passover is juist for the Jews (Judah)

The Festivals are for all 12 Tribes and anyone else who beleives

It is my beleif that the Assyrian domination (some six + centuries before Christ) scattered the Isrealites (10 northern tribes) north and then west 9over the Caucussas mountains) to Europe and eventually then the Americas.

Therefore the Entire Holy Bible is written to more than just my Jewish brothers, but to all of us.

The End Timne Prophecies are for 'all of us' and the teachings of Jesus (Yeshewa) are for all aswell.

May all that ask receive the Truth from our heavenly Father

In Jesus Christ's name

c

[common_sense (common_sense)]

<font color="0000ff">I don't beleive that the Festival of Passover is juist for the Jews (Judah)</font>

I disagree with you, but am not particularly interested in debating the subject. Suffice it to say that the NT gives no indication that believers are to continue in the Jewish religious practices, sacrifices or traditions.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

<font color="0000ff">I don't beleive that the Festival of Passover is juist for the Jews (Judah). The Festivals are for all 12 Tribes and anyone else who beleives</font>

If you say that the American Independence day holiday is for everyone in the world, not just the Americans, then you might have a point.

[godchild (godchild)]

Personally, I have no interest in celebrating Jewish holidays. This discussion brings to mind the following joke:

During a recent ecumenical gathering, a secretary rushed in shouting, "The building is on fire!"
The Methodists gathered in a corner and prayed.
The Baptists cried, "Where is the water?"
The Quakers quietly praised God for the blessings that fire brings.
The Lutherans posted a notice on the door declaring the fire was evil.
The Roman Catholics passed a plate to cover the damages.
The Jews posted symbols on the door hoping the fire would pass.
The Congregationalists shouted, "Every man for himself."
The Pentecostalists started babbling.
The Fundamentalists proclaimed, "It's the vengeance of God!"
The Episcopalians formed a procession and marched out.
The Christian Scientists concluded there was no fire.
The Presbyterians appointed a chairperson who was to appoint a committee to look into the matter and submit a report.
The secretary grabbed a fire extinguisher and put the fire out.

[godchild (godchild)]

yaakov, don't Jewish children receive gifts during Hanakkah? And isn't there a big commercial enterprise for palm fronds for a Jewish holiday? (I think it was palm). Commercialism isn't limited to Christian or pagan holidays.
Ezekial, you mentioned 'high holy days'. Where did this originate? Would you lead us to where this is taught in scripture?

[godchild (godchild)]

The Ten Commandments say 'Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy'. We can't even get that right.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

godchild

<font color="0000ff">Personally, I have no interest in celebrating Jewish holidays.</font>

Yes, exactly. That is my point. I am the only one at work on xmas since it is just another day for me, so should Passover be meaningless to a Christian. Our religions are separate and our religious observances are separate.

LOL. Good joke.

<font color="0000ff">yaakov, don't Jewish children receive gifts during Hanakkah?</font>

Not in Israel. That is a change in America due to strong cultural influences here. It is a struggle here to prevent our holiday going the way of xmas. Look at the state of it, your holiday is supposed to be the birth of your god. Xmas should have as much reverence as we show on Rosh Hashana, which is the birth of the world. But how do yall celebrate xmas?? By buying and shopping and presents and materialism, but almost no mention of your god. As I once heard a Christian say, "the christ has been taken out of christmas."

<font color="0000ff">And isn't there a big commercial enterprise for palm fronds for a Jewish holiday? (I think it was palm).</font>

ROFL.

You are comparing purchasing a palm frond on Sukkot to the gross materialism of xmas?! "Here Moishe, play with the leaf. Here Matthew, play with this Nintendo and hot wheels and baseball and television and laptop and cell phone and jetski and 4x4 and electonic dart board and new puppy."

<font color="0000ff">Ezekial, you mentioned 'high holy days'. Where did this originate? Would you lead us to where this is taught in scripture?</font>

I will answer this. The High Holy Days are among the most important holidays of the Jewish year.

Leviticus 23
1. And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
2. Speak to the children of Israel and say to them: The Lord's appointed [holy days] that you shall designate as holy occasions. These are My appointed [holy days]:
....(3-22 Other holy days being described)
23. And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
24. Speak to the children of Israel, saying: In the seventh month, on the first of the month, it shall be a Sabbath for you, a remembrance of [Israel through] the shofar blast a holy occasion.
25. You shall not perform any work of labor, and you shall offer up a fire offering to the Lord.
26. And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying:
27. But on the tenth of this seventh month, it is a day of atonement, it shall be a holy occasion for you; you shall afflict yourselves, and you shall offer up a fire offering to the Lord.
28. You shall not perform any work on that very day, for it is a day of atonement, for you to gain atonement before the Lord, your God.

<font color="0000ff">The Ten Commandments say 'Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy'. We can't even get that right.</font>

I thought your god "fulfilled" it, so yall don't observe it anymore.

However, for us, we will continue to carry out God's Eternal Laws. Shabbat is the most important holy day for us. There is a saying that "More than the Jews have kept the Sabbath, the Sabbath has kept the Jews."

Leviticus 23
3. [For] six days, work may be performed, but on the seventh day, it is a complete rest day, a holy occasion; you shall not perform any work. It is a Sabbath to the Lord in all your dwelling places.

[godchild (godchild)]

yaakov, Why are you living in the United States and not Israel, especially as you believe your country is far superior in following God. It seems odd to me that people who have nothing but contempt for a country stay in it. You blame the failures of America on it's Christians. Do you consider Israel the example we should aspire to? As you believe satan is only an angel doing what God wants him to, why has God judged Israel so harshly? Could it be the failures of its people? According to the Old Testament, it is not God, but His chosen people who have failed. Shouldn't you be calling your brothers to account instead of finding joy in blaming Christians? Maybe it makes it easier to blame others. Oh, that's right. The Jewish answer is that we are just jealous of you. It is our jealousy that has caused all your tribulation as a people. How would you 'fix' America?

[common_sense (common_sense)]

Whoa, have I missed something? Where has Yaakov blamed the failings of America on Christians?

[easeltine (easeltine)]

Godchild,

Maybe Yaakov doesn't want to move back to Israel because deep down he thinks that Dispensational theology regarding the End Times might be true. He doesn't want to be one of the Jews that die, or if he lives he may be one of the Jews to see Jesus Christ on the Mount of Olives and become a Christian...maybe either way is disturbing to him?
Ok...Ok...it is late I am just having a little fun.
Erich

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

Passover is the High Sabbath
Doesn't matter the day of the week for the Passover changed dates each year (15th day after the Hebrew new year, spring equinox)

Christ Became the whole worlds Passover Lamb
To attone for the sins of each and everyone, Jew, Isrealie ( other 10 tribes) and gentile

I did mention High Holy Day
If Jesus was sacrificed for our sins, and became our Passover, we, as Christians should celebrate the Passover. This is the basis of Christian beleif, although many may have forgotten it (or never known it).
I beleive in the whole word of God
I beleive in the end time prophecies and think that we are on the cusp of the trib.

The only festival that was kept be Jesus's deciples (that is written of) is Passover

The example of Passover is , to us, an example of the end times.

Slavery, to decision, to freedom

Slavery (to anti-christ) to decision(to follow him or the Lord's truth) and eventually to freedom (after the Millenium and White Throne Judgement)

Imagine 100's of different beleifs and ways to worship God.

Jesus (Yashua, Immanuel) was sent from the Father to show all, who God is and what He expects.

If you pray (to the Father) in Jesus name, that gives you credentials....

These are some examples of why I beleive that Passover should Be celebrated by Christians

[yaakov (yaakov)]

godchild

Hmmm…I guess you like the way that xmas is celebrated in the US today. My Christian friends have voiced to me their concerns about the amount of commercialism. I guess you disagree.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

<font color="0000ff">Doesn't matter the day of the week for the Passover changed dates each year</font>

Passover is the exact same day every year on the Hebrew Calendar. Passover always occurs on the 15th day of the Hebrew month of Nissan and ends on the 22nd day of Nissan.

Leviticus 23
5. In the first month, on the fourteenth of the month, in the afternoon, [you shall sacrifice] the Passover offering to the Lord.
6. And on the fifteenth day of that month is the Festival of Unleavened Cakes to the Lord; you shall eat unleavened cakes for a seven day period.
7. On the first day, there shall be a holy occasion for you; you shall not perform any work of labor.
8. And you shall bring a fire offering to the Lord for a seven day period. On the seventh day, there shall be a holy occasion; you shall not perform any work of labor.

The date changes when using the Gregorian calendar. Passover dates (http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/passover/passoverdate.html)

<font color="0000ff">The only festival that was kept be Jesus's deciples (that is written of) is Passover</font>

Ezekiel, does this mean that you think that the <u>only</u> Christian holiday celebrated should be passover, as you described it?

[godchild (godchild)]

commonsense, Perhaps I made incorrect assumptions. When yaakov said "Not in Israel", and as he lives in America, I assumed he was comparing Christian holidays in America to Jewish holidays in Israel. yaakov, if I made the wrong assumption, I apologise.
Yes, I do agree there is too much commercialization of (American)national holidays, including those that have nothing to do with religious celebrations. As for Christmas, Christians here have explained it is a celebration of Christ's birth and they teach their children this. It is not necessary for me or them to apologise for our neigbors or our brothers and sisters as they are free to make their choices.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

The intent of this string was to drop seeds
and see what happens

I didn't want any arguements, just honest conv.

yaakov--The day of the Week (Monday, Tuesday, etc..) If the 15 of ABIB / Nissan, is a Wenesday, then the High Sabbath is that same day, Wednesday, not Saturday (that is a Sabbath as well but not the High Sabbath)
That's all that I meant by that.

As for my beleifs on celebrating Festivals, Passover is the High Sabbath-Jesus became our Passover-Jesus became our Sabbath(we rest in Him)

I do celebrate Passover, not Easter
(how one celebrates Passover is a personal choice)
I do celebrate Christmas - not as commercially as I once did - even if we know that Jesus was born in Sept.(first day of the Feast of Tabernacles / Booths) and circumsized on the 8th (last) day of the feast,

At Christmas, the nativity is played out, and children get to here the story of the birth of the Lord. It's one of the few times that kids here the stories. I don't particularily like the commercialism or the fact that Santa has become more prominent than he should be, but I would'nt take Christmas from a Kid. I would like to see Christmas reclaimed for what it is supposed to be. A celebration of the Birth of Christ.
(insidentally, I beleive that the Imaculate Conception took place on Christmas Dec 25th) God is all knowing and powerful

Peace to all who seek the Lord
c

[wyoming (wyoming)]

Exekiel 37,

The pagan holidays don't bother me as much as the afront to God in our celebrating unauthorized "religious" holidays. I think of Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, offering strange fire, and of Moses striking the rock instead of calling forth the water as God instructed. We still think our ideas add to God and that God can use our help. That's why we have so much religious confusion.

The Passover was celebrated one specified night per year by JEWS ONLY -- we have it in scripture. Where is your chapter and verse for gentiles to celebrate it? Where does Passover become "Communion Sunday"? Chapter and verse, please!

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Christian's Passover. In the upper room, on the night he was betrayed, he was explaining the elements of the Passover meal as referring to himself. Now that he was in their midst, He's the real thing! He wasn't instituting any new ordinance; all ordinances were to be done away in a matter of hours when the veil of the temple was wrent. Today, we have Christ and we don't need the allegorical elements.

[Just to throw you off a little more... the word "communion" also means "fellowship". When we come together for a pot luck dinner it is not to be gluttonous and drunk with wine. It's a full meal! How can you be gluttonous on a bread crumb and drunk on a thimble of wine when coming together for a communion meal?]

Yours, in Christ,

Alan

[daikon (daikon)]

wyoming writes:
"The Passover was celebrated one specified night per year by JEWS ONLY -- we have it in scripture."

Please give the chapter and verse [chapters and verses] that describe Passover as a one night only celebration.

Are you perhaps referring to the incident in Eqypt?

If you read a few posts up, yaakov quotes the book of Leviticus explaining the 7(or 8 in some sects) day celebration of Passover.

The link there is also very informative; it's quite interesting regarding the blending of the lunar and solar calendars.

[yaakov (yaakov)]

Ezekiel 37

<font color="0000ff">The Passover was celebrated one specified night per year by JEWS ONLY -- we have it in scripture. Where is your chapter and verse for gentiles to celebrate it? Where does Passover become "Communion Sunday"? Chapter and verse, please!</font>

Actually seven nights, but you are right Wyoming. Ezekiel, your statements have placed me in agreement with Wyoming. You are taking a Jewish holiday and twisting its’ meaning to force fit it into becoming a Christian holiday.

Your post shows you are attempting to Christianize every Jewish holiday attempting to shoehorn your deity in. Instead of co-opting another religion’s holidays, you really should stick with celebrating your own religious holidays.

<font color="0000ff">Santa has become more prominent than he should be, but I would'nt take Christmas from a Kid. I would like to see Christmas reclaimed for what it is supposed to be. A celebration of the Birth of Christ.</font>

All is not lost, I do agree with you here. Emphasizing the meaning of your holiday doesn’t “take away” Christmas from the kids. Indeed, quite the opposite. It would infuse your holiday with meaning and diminish the emptiness of commercialism.

[wyoming (wyoming)]

.
The Roman Catholic Mass celebrates the death of Jesus Christ. When we say "Merry Christmas", we are saying, "Merry death of Christ."

Christmas was not celebrated in the American colonies until the Roman Catholics came to States like Mary-land.

(Message edited by Wyoming on September 06, 2005)

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

Passover was most definately NOT for the Jews only,
Judah=1 tribe
There are 11 other tribes
They all celebrated Passover, not just the Jews

Those tribes have been SCATTERED to the four winds (north east south and west)

To state that you have in scripture the fact that only Jews celebrate Passover (for 1 specific night)is not true.
Moses and the twelve tribes celebrated the Passover each year, and for a full week +1 day

As for turning Passover into Communion Sunday
I never claimed that

The fact that Christians have adopted Sunday as their worship day doesn't have anything to do with Passover

Personally, I worship every day, not just Sunday for 1 hour

Jesus Christ showed us the example of the Last Meal (Body and Blood) because He fulfilled all the need for ceremonies of cleansing, attonement, etc.


His deciples kept Passover
He kept Passover
We are taught that Christ Became our Passover
He also became our Sabbath (we rest in Him)

No where in the NT are we taught to keep The Festival of Booths/Tabernacle or any other Hebrew festival except Passover

The whole Book is an example of Passover, when the Lord Jesus fulfills many prophecy's.

He will fulfill all the prophecy's soon enough at the End of the Age, after Satan has his run.

P.S. - Wasn't Paul and the other deciples sent to the Gentiles after Christ's Crusifiction

Jesus was sent to the House of Israel, and ...
then His message was sent to the rest of the World

I don't want to keep any Jewish/Hebrew celebrations as they were kept then.

I do however think that everyone could learn the true meaning of why the Lord was sent to us by understanding Passover, as an example to the world, and the Jews and the Christians

Protection from the Death Angel
Blood of the Lamb
Led out of Bondage
Into a new Land
The promises land

Reminds me of Revelation
Reminds me of Daniel
Reminds me of all the prophets warnings

Reminds me of the signs in the end of the age

Love to all who truely seek the truth
In Jesus Name

c

[wyoming (wyoming)]

I consider all 12 tribes Israel and Judah to be "Jews".

The early church was all Jewish and the first Gentile believer doesn't occur until Acts Chapter 10. In Acts Chapter 15 (&amp; Galatians) they decide that the Gentile believers do not have to conduct themselves like Jews. Ther is a transition through the book of Act chronology in going from a Jewish church where they are still practicing much of the Jewish religion... to a mixed and Gentile church where they more fully understand Grace vs. The Law (Romans), and you find mature writings in the book of Hebrews for better understanding of these things. Ordinances, rituals, ceremonies, and observances; fleshly religion, are GONE!

(Message edited by Wyoming on September 07, 2005)

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

I consider the 12 tribes have been scattered

Israel (10 tribes to the north) by the Assyrian King
Judah (and Benjamin) by the Babylonian King

YHVH said that He would mark them (scattered).
The word for 'mark' is 'tav' which is the Hebrew letter/sound 't'
I seems to me that the Lord was marking His newly found people with a cross (Christians)
It follows that the scattered are now the Christian nations of today

Pretty cool eh!

In prophecy, Jerusalem is mentioned (the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Jew, Christian and Gentile

Judah is mentioned, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin

Israel is mentioned, the 10 northern tribes

Josheph is mentioned, all 12 tribes

We, as studied Christians should be able to rightly divide the Word of God
It is important to know Who is being addressed

I agree that the rituals and ordinances are no longer to be followed(because of Christ)

Understanding the importance of Passover, to the whole world, is paramount.

Now tht the Fig Tree of Jerimiah 24 has been planted (for some 57+ years now), the time is to be a watchman and warn others, just like the prophets did. Afterall the Anti-Christ is soon to be upon the Earth and we should know what to do during these times

Peace
c