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Anonymous
07-09-2003, 05:42 PM
by Wayne Jacobsen

1.It is the freedom to put your relationship with Jesus above anything else.
2.It is the freedom to obey him and live in the truth of Scripture even if others don't approve. 3.It is the freedom to engage Christ's body however he calls you--within structures or beyond them.
4.It is the freedom to love God's people and broken lives in the world without putting people in boxes.
5.It is the freedom to walk away from abusive religious settings and so-called 'leaders.'
6.It is the freedom to ask hard questions and not allow your faith in God to be questioned. 7.It is the freedom to be honest about your struggles without being condemned or accused of rebellion.
8.It is the freedom to be known for who you really are and not pressured to pretend to be anything more or less.
9.Religion conforms people to a system; relational life frees them to trust God. 10.Religion divides people by preference and perspective; relational life celebrates the incredible diversity in God's family. 11.Religion bores people with routine; relational life is as fresh as a new conversation with an endearing friend. 12.Religion rewards image and pretense; relational life demands honesty and reality. 13.Religion provides substitutes for the active presence of Jesus in people's lives; relational life focuses on that presence alone. 1
14.Religion sacrifices people for the good of the institution; relational life teaches people how to live together as Father's family. 15.Religion uses what God says and does for its own agenda; relational life allows God to set the agenda and for us to simply follow him. 16.Religion leaves us able to boast about how much we're doing or how hard we're working; relational life finds joy only in celebrating God's work among us.
17.Religion finds love inefficient and cumbersome; relational life embraces love as the heart of God's working.

godchild (godchild)
01-17-2005, 06:50 AM
Amen to that. Religion has caused christians to turn against christian, it has caused wars, it has caused people to hate, instead of love, it worships money and man.

nomdeplum (nomdeplum)
10-02-2005, 10:08 PM
The Truth will soon be know to all… God is Real! There is no Satan, there is no Hell, and there are no demons or bad sprits. Satan does not tempt . God tempts to test his sheep. God does not answer mans prayers, they are but sheep, he does not intervene to save. Jesus was God’s son, not a god. Mary a vessel that housed the flesh for the soul of Gods son. There was no immaculate conception; Joseph was the father of the flesh of Jesus “The soul” was from God. To create his children God tears a small piece from himself and creates a new soul, they are part of him and have a whole different set of rules, they are not sheep. God wants his sheep back in the flock. There is Heaven. There is no Hell. First you taste pleasure and then lose what is most important to you. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. Mans Hell will be on Earth.

Man is just sheep and unworthy sheep get destroyed. (Not put in Hell, just destroyed) To put things in perspective so one can understand, to God (Man) sheep are not unlike ants to us. The (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there.” These are God’s words, not Jesus’. Times have changed, but not the laws of God. “Just follow your heart and see where it leads you.” …This is now his message. Follow the “Ten Commandments” read the “Seven Deadly Sins” God’s law is so simple and most have broken these laws… that no one may find in the plea of ignorance a shadow of excuse. There is not a long list. Reading the bible is not necessary, must come from your heart no need to attend church, temple or any other false house of god. "God does not live in houses of wood and stone but in the hearts of men ... " Do not shoot the messenger.


Organized religion is a farce. It is created from greed, collecting money from the poor to live in comfort. Greed, one of the “Seven Deadly Sins” Place not these Popes, Bishops and other false representatives of God in high esteem, as they live in comfort and see people all around them starve, for God does not and justice will be served. Sell the possessions from these false houses of worship and distribute to the poor. Stay at home and pray. Good souls go to heaven, bad souls get destroyed. There is only God, one God.. You shall have no other gods before me. Worship only God. God is not a merciful God, break his rules and be destroyed. There are no saints, no angels, you are on your own… choose wisely. Follow the “Ten Commandments” read the “Seven Deadly Sins” God’s law is so simple "God does not live in houses of wood and stone but in the hearts of men ...” . “Just follow your heart and see where it leads you.”


God’s Law is simple… (No Church, Temple, or bible necessary, these are God’s laws and belief must come from the heart)
The Original Ten Commandments (He will now modify, add some, remove some and add clauses to few)
1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. (*Jesus was not a god, Mary and Saints not to be worshiped, just God)
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them. (*The Cross, Buddha, etc.)
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (*It was Saturday, never Sunday, but will now allow man to work on this day)
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not kill. (*Unless it is God’s Will and this will be clearly defined)
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal. (*Unless it is God’s Will and this will be clearly defined)
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (*Lie)
10. You shall not covet. (*Greed)
*You shall not lay with a member of the same sex, No sodomy
* You shall not have sex out of wedlock (*Kissing only)

Seven Deadly Sins
(God’s law is so simple and most have broken these laws… that no one may find in the plea of ignorance a shadow of excuse. There is not a long list).
Pride
Avarice/Greed
Envy
Wrath/Anger
Lust
Gluttony
Sloth
"God does not live in houses of wood and stone but in the hearts of men ... " . There are no saints, no angels, you are on your own… choose wisely. Follow the “Ten Commandments” read the “Seven Deadly Sins” God’s law is so simple "God does not live in houses of wood and stone but in the hearts of men ...” . “Just follow your heart and see where it leads you.” Do not shoot the messenger.

“Just follow your heart and see where it leads you.”

setfree (setfree)
10-05-2005, 04:49 AM
Maybe I can follow my heart after I get all that CRAP out of my head that I was just subjected to!

common_sense (common_sense)
10-05-2005, 04:57 AM
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

turtle (turtle)
10-05-2005, 01:35 PM
WHEW! Setfree don't read it more then once or it might be hard to knock out of ones head. I thought jehovah witness when I seen it then after skimming the other half i changed my mind. I am with you on that one and you too common sense. I am speaking of the post above setfree's.