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la_mariposa (la_mariposa)
07-13-2005, 11:42 PM
Hi all. New to the board. I recently left my childhood church and I'm going through a period of discovering that a lot of the things I was taught are just not so. I grew up with so many rules, making me feel like I would burn in the fires of hell if I wore pants, or make up, went to the movies, didn't tithe, etc. I have mixed feelings about these things because I once defended our teachings on it, without any biblical basis, just because it is what I had always been taught. When I got into my teens I did rebel and left the church, my mother also 'backslid' a couple of times, but we did go back. I wouldn't trade my youth experience in the Lord for the world and I look back at those years and I'm grateful for what I had.

I guess I started questioning things when my then-Pastor stood in front of the congregation and confessed that he'd been carrying on a 2 year affair with a a former member and she was pregnant. I was in utter disbelief and shock. I know that we're suppose to follow God and not man but I just never expected this and it really broke my heart. After he was removed, we got a new Pastor and this man was just the total opposite. He had older children and these kids would live off the tithe and offerings, they didn't work and they were always styling new clothes. The pastor was very materialistic and would praise the members who were 'professionals' cause he knew they were the ones giving the biggest tithes. I personally experience this man not speaking to me at a church function because I had not been able to tithe after losing my job. Not only did I begin to to be shunned by him but also by other members of the church. I would go to a service and feel like an outsider. I started making my way towards the back until finally I was sitting in the last pew and I felt like I didn't belong. My mother started picking up on these things too and decided to leave the church. She seeked the Lord to guide her to a church and He did. When she left, people started gossiping and making lies about why she had left, they concucted a story about how she had a fight with the Pastor's wife and had even pushed her. No one stood up and said it wasn't true, no one questioned it or thought "hey, I know so-and-so for 20+ years and never in those years has she ever done anything of the such so that just can't be true".

I had childhood friends turn on me, they wouldnt' talk to me. I'd cry in services and ask the Lord to give me strength. On one such occasion I went to the altar during a calling and had the pastor 'minister' to me and tell me that I was in sin and needed to repent. I had never felt my spirit reject something like that night. I decided then and there that I needed to leave that church. I just wanted my husband to feel the same way. Eventually he did, after he too began to see the alienation and suffer cuz of it.

We left and though we've tried to go to other churches, we just don't know where to start. We were both in that church since we were children and it's been very hard to all of a sudden not have a 'church life' - if that's a correct term.

I'm sorry for rambling on, there is still so much for me to say but I will leave it for another occassion. Thank you for letting me vent.

turtle (turtle)
07-14-2005, 03:26 AM
Sorry to hear of your heart ache. It is not easy to find out that your church is like this. But keep your focus on God. God never changes. But man sure does. Man will betray and hurt us, but God never will. We must keep our trust in him. Start asking him where he would want you to go to church. Ask around about different churches in your area. You can even talk to some ministers about their beliefs. You can look on the internet at different denomination and find one that your beliefs line up with doctrinally.
I do believe we need fellowship with one another, but it is not what makes you a christian.

wyoming (wyoming)
07-14-2005, 04:25 AM
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If you would like something non-sectarian, like a house church, use this search directory.

http://www.hccentral.com/directory/index.html

easeltine (easeltine)
07-14-2005, 10:24 AM
la_mariposa,

Wyoming and I don't always see eye to eye on some issues, though this is one issue we agree on. Denominations have their problems. A home/house church may be a good experience for you and your husband. From your testimony it sounds like a good idea for the both of you to try together.

Erich

arron (arron)
07-14-2005, 02:17 PM
a house church... no.....get in a CHURCH

turtle (turtle)
07-14-2005, 04:58 PM
How do you think churches are built. Define church Aaron. But I do agree a will established church that is growing would be more idea for a time.

overseas (overseas)
07-14-2005, 07:48 PM
Hello la_mariposa. I am sorry for your experience, but God will provide for you. At least you keep the faith, but those people from that church... they do not seem on the track. I am even more sorry for them.
When you are financially troubled, it's time to receive from the church, not to be shunned. And tithing is not primarily for the pastor's living.
You start from believing your bible and Jesus words of Him being with each of us any moment. Then you meet and praise the Lord with people you get to know well and trust, house church/ big church doesn't matter. What matter is a group that follows God Word and that sticks together. Stay away from cults, you are vunerable at this moment because you were hurt.
God bless and don't look back. Look for Jesus coming !

arron (arron)
07-14-2005, 09:00 PM
i am sorry turtle, but i do not beleive in the house CHURCHES of today as they meet in houses and have no sturcture, most no pastor, no set doctrine that thye hold to more or less anything goes. i know they started off that way but now we have estabished places and if one prays and looks they can find a CHURCH

wyoming (wyoming)
07-14-2005, 09:22 PM
Mariposa,

Overseas was very astute to point out your vulnerability at this time. Do not be impulsive and rush into anything. Our greatest times of refreshing are when we get alone with the Bible. You will find your own strength and develop your own faith to stand on your own two feet, not the faith of others. Study the church epistles and the pastoral epistles and try to find a fellowship that most closely matches scriptural order for the Church.

la_mariposa (la_mariposa)
07-14-2005, 09:24 PM
Thank you everyone for your kind words and suggestion. Examining myself I know that I am vulnerable and am craving any kind of family-like structure in a church and that is my worst fear, to fall into a cult or somethign that will just hurt me further. I really appreciate it and thank you for all your support http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

easeltine (easeltine)
07-15-2005, 06:37 AM
Mariposa,

It if very important for one to make sure the words "Infallibility" or "Inerrancy" describing the Scriptures, the Bible, are in the Statement of Belief of any church before becoming a member. Some churches I know use the word "inspired" to mean that the Scriptures are inspired like Shakespeare is inspired. My brother's father-in-law complains that when he goes to the denominational conventions they actually break into groups and decide which words of Jesus should be in the Bible.

Erich

turtle (turtle)
07-15-2005, 12:41 PM
Yes make sure you know what they believe and what doctrines. You don't want to land up in a church that beliefs are totally different then your own.

godchild (godchild)
07-15-2005, 11:18 PM
Non-denominational Bible Churches have been my choice, or going to my closet, so to speak, to worship the Lord. I was the member of a cult for many years. Today there seem to be many 'churches' who choose their own doctrines, instead of following the Holy Bible. I agree the internet can show you the 'statements of faith' of many churches. Think of this as a 'life lesson'. It is a blessing you have been released from the bondage the last church held you in. Go with God!
One more bit of advice. I make an appointment with the pastor/preacher of any church in advance of attending services. They should be willing to answer all of your questions and you can pray for discernment and evidence of the Holy Spirit in him/her.

arron (arron)
01-28-2006, 06:17 AM
just be whoever you are. if you are holiness believe that way or if something else believe that way. i was in the baptist church and saw more than i had so GOD brought me out. i have followed the holiness doctrine all this time. GOD will lead you if you are willing to go he will lead the way.

redeemed4life (redeemed4life)
01-29-2006, 02:53 AM
Brad- I have been in a very similar situation and the one thing I can tell you that God had to show me is that you have to let go of worrying (sp?) if man is going to accept what God is leading you to do. The Word says that obedience is better than sacrifice and it sounds to me like you are sacrificing. It is important that you are being fed and refreshed when you attend worship services because allowing yourself to "wilt" will eventually lead to "falling away". God is not slack on His promises and He said if any man needs wisdom let Him ask and it shall be given unto Him. He alone will give you wisdom on how to approach and deal with your family. I think where we tend to get off track as people is forgetting that "WE" are the church. The Spirit of God in us is what makes the "church building" holy ground. The Word tells us to forsake not the assembling ourselves with other believers, it doesnt demand that we attend a service in a local "church building." However it can be beneficial to do so. Ultimately you have to do what YOU feel GOD is leading you to do and when you lean and depend on Him, He will not lead you wrong. God Bless and I will say a prayer for you!