Replacement theology

[leon (leon)]

I just dont see how Jews can be considered a special race and have rights over Palestinains. Im confused as to how anybody can still be calling somebody "Gods chosen people" when Galations chapter 3 and Romans 10 make it clear that the last people to conqueror Palestine/Canaan from the Jews and Samaritans (that being the Greeks)were declaired equal in all rights to Jews.

Deuteronomy 23:2 makes it clear that unless the bloodline of Jews remains pure from the male side ,then the descendants are gentiles.Some even think that ANY gentile blood makes a "Jew" or Israelite a gentile based on Deuteronomy 23:2. Jews clealy have mixed in with gentiles. Aside from the tribes of Judah , Benjamin , and Levi the other tribes were pure gentile implants from Assyria(semitic Aramaeans yes,but still gentile)long before the Jews were captured by Babylonians. Jews in Babylonia mixed in with gentiles (Ezra talks about even the priesthood being mostly gentile) , and frankly some think that the rabbinical systems started there.Those systems would later lead to new laws that made FEMALES the line through which a Jew was to pass.Now, we all know that nations like Spain and Germany had many gentile men marry Jewish females over the centuries. Clearly ,Deuteronomy 23:2 makes it clear that those "Jews" are gentiles and those gentiles mixed in with all Jews making them gentiles in reality.

I dont even think any Jews were pure even 2000 years ago much less today. Clearly the Samaritans werent even Israelite.Christ came at the right time.The nation Israel was then just about an outdated joke (it wasnt,but would have been soon had Christ not come).There was no Israelite nation left really. The rabbinical system was already taking over,less and less Jews even practised temple sacrifice ,many were just repenting in Synagogues. The time to spread Gods blessings to the entire world was clearly present.The steady Greco-Roman empire with its cohesive road system and (thanks to Alexander) universal Greek language was ready to be utilized by God.The light to the gentiles was ready to manifest Himself.

Plus , even if one assumes that Jews of today are somehow Israelite then what does that prove? Palestinians are a mixture of several ancient peoples including Jews.Arab Christians in Syria,Lebanon,Iraq, and Palestine all spoke Aramaic and Aramaeans constantly mixed in with Jews.Heck,Jews even took their language.The implant "Israelite" 10 Northern tribes called Samaritans almost all converted to Islam or Christianity.Only 200 remain today.

Ill put things in chronological order.

Ishmael and Isaac's sons started out as children of Abraham and God decided to reveal his word through Isaac's sons.Isaacs sons mixed in with gentiles constantly ,first in Egypt, then in Canaan , then in Babylonia , then back in Canaan again.

Isaac's sons mixed in with Aramaeans (implant "Israel" from Assyria)constantly from the time of the return to the land in Cyrus's days till Christ's days.

Many of Isaacs sons (now mixed in with all kinds of gentiles)then went to Arabia and many converted to Islam and became Arabs.Southern Arabia (Yemen) was majority Jewish till most converted to Islam by choice and adopted Arab culture.Arabs had not only Ishmael's blood but infact Isaac's blood in them.

So you have "Jews" (in Palestine and out of Palestine in Europe and Russia))who are largely gentile and Arabs Muslims who are largely Jewish in bloodline.

Then you have Aramaic Christians in Palestine (prior to Arab majorities)who are descendant of Philistines, Sidonians , Jews, Samaritans , Edomites , Assyrians,Israelites (from pre 721 BC), etc.

Arabs Muslims (which have Jewish blood in them) slowly start to move into Palestine in increasing numbers then mix in with Palestinian Christians (Aramaeans who have much Jewish blood as well), Palestinian Jews,Samaritans, etc.

By 1900 only 30% of all non-Jews in Palestine are Christians.Mainly because many Jews and Christians converted to Islam. (since 1948, Christians have melted away to the poin of irrelevance)

Here is an interesting article by Tel Aviv journalist Israel Shamir and it talks about Jews converting to Islam in recent centuries.She mentions how Synagogues slowly evolve into Mosques. (I dont agree with everything said mind you, but it mentions how Jews converted to Islam even recently)

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine41.html

Anyway, there is no special race.God didnt "replace" Jews though, they are still Gods children. Whether the bloodline of the 12 tribes are partly left in Arab Muslims, Aramaean Christians, or todays Jews or not (it is, though NONE are pure) the fact is that ALL are Gods special children as well as those who have no ancient Israelite blood.

God did not "replace" anybody. Just as the revelation to Abraham in Genesis graduated into the revelation to Moses in Exodus ,and the revelation to Moses graduated into the revelation to Samuel in the United Monarchy, the EXACT SAME can be said of the graduation of all the promises in the "Old" covenant into the revelation of Christ:Gods son in the world revealing the plan of God to the gentiles outside of Palestine/Israel/Canaan.

There is no "replacement theology" , there is just God promises to those who follow him. A Christian can read Jeremiah and serve God just as a Jew can.When Christs Aramaic speaking brethren became Christians then Im sure they didnt feel they were throwing away all the promises of God. Same with Aramaic speaking Christians today (called "Arab" Christians though few are actual Arabs as in descendant from Arabia , though many did convert to Islam , few Muslims converted to Christianity)many of whom most likely have ancestry that frankly touches even Joseph and Mary from 2000 years ago.

I know this goes against the "prophecy experts" of today but they regularly twist geography and bloodline, so lets ignore them. Ishmael was never mentioned as some great enemy of Israel , and these "prophecy experts" know it.That why they try and confuse historic battles with ancient geographic regions (like Assyria, Babylon, Syria, Egypt,ect.)into somehow representing the Arabs there today.Pull the rug over our eyes heh? Then they try and switch the issue to "Gods chosen" bloodline when discussing Jews.The only thing worth mentioning about the "Holy Land" in prophetic terms is that it has never had fewer Christians in the past 500 years than now. Its going to hell in a hand basket for Christians (few are left and most are old)just like the rest of the world.

[doug (doug)]

And if they try to rebuild the temple and reestablish the law God will not let it happen.

[leftin1991 (leftin1991)]

Replacement theology is an ignorant, arrogant, presumptuous doctrine, that disregards Romans 9-11. According to the prophets, Jerusalem will be the capital of the world, ruled by King David under the authority of Yahshua (Jesus), the King of the Jews. All nations will come to Israel to worship the Lord, or they won't get any rain. God is not finished with Israel! The blessing/curse of Genesis 12:3 is still true today. You guys need to read the book, "365 Fascinating Facts About the Holy Land," by Clarence H. Wagner Jr. Google it.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

I do not believe in replacement theology.

Israel are the scattered 10 nothern tribes.
Judah are the Jews and Benjaminites.

I believe that since the anti-christ is comming, and he is going to fool most of the Christians. I would contend that the temple spoken of is Spiritual and is indeed Christ.

If the AC is thought of as Christ the true Messiah, he will be the head of their (christians) Temple and claim to be God while in Jerusalem.

Just my humble opinion

[godchild (godchild)]

Did God have a purpose for creating us? Would you say yes? What is that purpose? For what? For HIS pleasure. For HIS pleasure!
Can we become Gods? Did God say "I am a jealous God"? Yes. What does that mean? He is saying no one else will be God (nor can be God). How do we know that? We know it because the Bible says GOD created us. We are creatures of HIS creation. The creation cannot become the Creator. Was satan God's creation?
If God wanted us to become Gods, then maybe He would have allowed satan, one of HIS creations, to have a child, to deceive God's creation into thinking they could be Gods (by eating of the tree of good and evil), in order for God's creation to overcome those Gods, to show that HIS Creation is greater than satan's.
Is this the purpose for God creating us? If satan's children are also Gods, though evil ones, then who is God? And why didn't God just let Adam and Eve eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
I say this is because Adam, the first father of all men, and Eve, the first mother of all men; CANNOT become GOD!
Does God hold out a carrot for us to tempt us? Who holds out the carrot? Who is the temptor?
Also, if God allowed satan to have children as part of His purpose (for HIS pleasure), then what would make us more important to God than satan's children. We sin too. Why, we wouldn't be important at all, would we? No more important than satan's children. Did God make satan a God?
Do you know why God called satan the first murderer? Because of satan's lie in the garden. You wonder what I mean? In order to COVER Adam and Eve's sin, two lambs were murdered, their blood shed, in order to cover Adam and Eve's bodies, their sin. Did Satan cover them with animal skins to hide their sin? NO. He didn't care if there sin was exposed.
Adam and Eve disobeyed God's first commandment. Though shalt not have any other gods BEFORE me. What did eating of the tree give Adam and Eve. God said it gave them the knowledge that only He had. So what happened? Adam died. Not later when he got old. God said, "If you eat of the fruit, thou shalt surely die." Adam could no longer be 'in the presence of his creator'. Adam was dead and resurrected because God shed His (creature that He created) blood for Adam's sin.

[godchild (godchild)]

What else did satan tell Eve. "You shall not surely die." The only way this could be true is if Adam and Eve could become a God. And if Adam and Eve became Gods, they wouldn't need God, would they? God is a jealous God. He will not allow any other Gods before Him. He created US for HIS pleasure.

[godchild (godchild)]

Why was Lucifer cast out of heaven? Because he wanted to be God. If God's purpose was for His creatures to become Gods, why did He cast Lucifer out? God did not give satan power to create. God is the only creator. If you don't believe that, then you do not believe in God.
Why would satan want Adam and Eve to become Gods? So that he could defeat God. Mankind would not need God.

[godchild (godchild)]

Can anyone believe that God, who is a jealous God, would allow anyone or anything become a part of His creation, created in HIS image. Satan did not, and could not, father (create) children.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

godchild...I admire your passion, but this is the wrong thread. This thread is about replacement theology.

I can only assume that you posted this to me...maybe I am wrong. There are some things that you have stated that I do not agree with.

Why do you assume that we believe Satan CREATED the kenites?

God is the only one who can create a soul. As you know, God created Lucifer, so I do not believe that Satan created the kenites (soul)

But I stand by my understanding that Angels can be just as physical as man and fathered the 'geber' of Gen6. This seems to me to be supported all throughout the bible. Just as your earth father fathered you, God still created you. Same with the kenites.

To put it simply, Satan is their spiritual father and the beginning of their earthly parenthood, not YHVH, but God created all souls including them(those who satan controls).

Any ethnicity could become Israelie by following the customs and BELIEVING. This hold true to Christianity today, doesn't matter what race you are, as long as you BELIEVE. I believed when I thought Jesus probably looked arabic. I didn't know, nor did it matter.

The devil may have been their earthly father in the beginning, but God is their Creator, and as such is the only one who can destroy their soul(in the lake of fire) or save it for the Foreverafter,
Same with all of us.

God knows all souls before they were even born of Humanity, so maybe, just maybe He knows who to put in what body and for what reason.......God is fair!


peace
c

[godchild (godchild)]

I responded to your statement that you do not believe in replacement theology. I consider sc replacement theology. I think you should try rearranging the words in your statement to, "Any ethnicity could become anglo-saxon by following the customs and believing." Does this sound reasonable to you? Similarly, can you become Egyptian by following the custom and believing? This is the way I see you interpret. Not quite saying what you mean. What is the desire for anglo-saxons to become Israelis? They don't acknowledge that they (the Jews, Israelis) are superior or chosen? I don't get it! Do you think of yourself as an Israelite? Would you tell your friends and acquaintances, "I am an Israeli"? Would you tell that to the people in sc?

Peace

[godchild (godchild)]

Could it be that some white men covet what they cannot have?

[godchild (godchild)]

Sorry. Maybe I should have said 'Gentiles'. Do you believe there are Gentiles?

[godchild (godchild)]

Leon, maybe you are really a jew. Or a Palestinian.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

godchild, I will no longer speak to you with even the least amount of contempt.

This, on my part will be true dialogue between 2 christain brothers/sisters.

It has been my underatanding that ANY peoples that wanted to JOIN with the Hebrews, could do so by simply following the customs of the Hebrew people and BELIEVE in the God of Abraham. This includes slaves and workers, and those who got lucky and survived the Sword armies led by Joshua and David.

The Egyptians are a prime example. Many understood that the plagues were from the REAL GOD and those same, left Egypt, travelled with the Hebrews and became them. It is written that some egyptians left, fearing the plagues...

The same is true of Christianity, ALL one has to Do is truely believe in Jesus...and boom....your a christian.

Replacement theoelogy-contends that the term Israel-has been changes to mean - the church-the christian church. That there are (in prophecy)the Jewish people and the Church.

I contend that I means the people themselves and not the church. A Jewish person is a Jew, and the Scattered northern tribes called Israel, are still alive and on the planet today.

As to your Israeli qwuestion, I have stated and many of the other SC students who visit here have stated our beliefs about the migration of the lost tribes.

Yes I believe that my ancestory is hebrew, more specifically Israeli. Most definately Adamic, and since I can grow food in a garden, I can't be a kenite! LOL

Yes I would, and do tell my friends this.

As for you being an Israelite, I don't know...
I know not your ethnic origin, nor your families migration. I no not whether your roots were with the Lord by way of Israel or whether, you chose to follow God on your own...

con't

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

I ask you honestly....where did the tribes go...

If we are in the end times...and I truely believe this......
Then where are those tribes? Cause if this is the end of this 'chapter', the TWO STICKS should be recognizable and will very shortly be GRAFTED together.

And yes there are gentiles.
Any ethnicity, that is not Hebrew, is a gentile. This includes many, many white people. For Noah had 3 sons and the line of the Hebrews only came from 1

All races have the exact same opportunity to gain God's good graces. One race is NOT superior to another.

The Word HAD to come from somewhere, and God is using this race of scattered Hebrews to put the Word forth.

The America's and Britain are truely blessed when you look areound at the rest of the world. This is by design, not by accident. The spreading of the Word, comes from the America's and Britain, the money comes from there(through God) to spread the Gospel.

The scattered MUST be visible at THIS time and play a roll in the preparation for the next phase. They are the free, civilized countries of the world, and it is not hard to see who they are.

Thanks for the talks, without contempt

Peace
c

[godchild (godchild)]

zeke, With no contempt, What do you expect to happen when the Kenites (that I don't believe are the sons of Eve and satan) are revealed. Will you stand back and allow God to be God? If that is true, we need not look for them, do we? God wants a 'personal', He and I, type of relationship with us. I, too, believe the end is near. Didn't Jesus tell us not to worry? Not to fear?
If you believe we are equal and God loves us equally, even if we are killed by evil men, we know our time has come to be with Him. God wants us to know Him, but He very definitely always knew us. He is aware of all we may never see. Why then, concern myself. The Holy Bible does not say, "Go warn people about the false Jews." Jews are not my enemy. The Lord said, "Go to all the nations and teach them the gospel", which is that Christ lives, the price for our sins have been paid by Him, and by believing Him we can live forever with Him. When did the gospel become a warning about these imaginary beings. If they existed and their father is satan, we know satan was defeated at the cross. Why then would we need fear his children?
The new commandment is Love; love the way He loves us. Don't bring a message of bondage to fear again. Bring a message of faith, hope and love. And take that message to unbelievers. Do not assume Christians are not prepared. That is not your place. That is the 'personal' relationship between them and God. We have salvation. There are many who do not.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

Thank you for speaking with out contempt.
I will likewise


Now, I am not trying to IDENTIFY any kenites, per say, but be aware of them, if I run across one.

The only way for me to understand what to do about them is found in the bible. We are told to let God deal with them, but to know who they are.

If they have, as many asume, mixed in with all populuations, aswell as the Jews, that would also include Christian pulpits...

This kenite population, which does exist, will take small bits of truth and mix in their own religion, changing the Word!

They are called tares, and look like wheat but are YUCKY inside.

I tend to think of those teaching the rapture to be in with the tares, but again.....I am to do absolutely nothing to them ,cause that's God's job.....He said so. This is why judgement starts at the house of God!

It is all of our place to help each other along.

I mean, believing in a rapture is detrimental to ones health and wellbeing both spiritually and physically. And I try to tell as many as possible my view on why there will not be a rapture, so they at least have an idea of what, in my opinion, needs to be known.

We could learn lots with out talking of Kenites, but God does warn us of them and, those of us that enjoy teaching God's Word, teach it all, including Rev2, Rev3, 1Chr2:55, and many other related scriputres. Now, I say this with all honesty that we are to be aware of the Kenites, or God wouldn't have mentioned them at all.

Thanks
Peace
c

[godchild (godchild)]

I don't buy it. No one should. The verses you show say nothing about Kenites. You have accepted the supposition of am over the Word of God. Acts 20:28-31 speaks of greivous wolves will come in. The Ephesians were called Asians by Paul (Acts 20:18). They were warned by Paul that beasts and wolves of Ephesus would come in and try to beguiie the flock and draw them away from the truths in the Word. Read 1 Cor. 15:32-34. read 2 Tim. 15:18, 2 Tim. 3:14,

Read John 10:1 where Jesus says you can must come in through the door, not climb up some other way; the same is a thief and a robber. Any man who claims to know Christ and teach of Christ who has not come through Christ, cannot enter. If you come through any man you cannot enter. Read through verse 6.

[godchild (godchild)]

Look up the definition of Nicolaitanes. They were not a race of people, but people who are heretics. People who teach false doctrine.
1 Cor. 14:32 tells us that the prophets (teachers of today) are subject to the prophets (of Bible times). Any prophet who claims new doctrine is not teaching what the Biblical prophets taught and should be avoided.
A false teacher is one who is an 'accuser of the brethren'. He teaches against other teachers, even if he won't name them by name.
They distort facts: figures don't lie, but liars can figure.
For what purpose are counters? (Those who are counting up the money, or figuring the end times, or endless geneologies). Read 2 Tim. 4:3
Jesus wasn't interested in the 'balanced opinion'. Read Rev. 3:15-17
Paul warned of making 'merchandise' of you. Who are the bodyguards of a true man of God. God, or the followers of that man?
True teachers always lead to the Word, not to a new doctrine.

[godchild (godchild)]

Be wise as serpents...BUT GUILELESS as doves.

Does am and his followers hide his history. Look at the thread under his name. "Only a fool would make known his faults indiscrimiately to a group." This is the height of Nicolaitanes-Which God hates.

[arron (arron)]

zeke where do you get that you are an isrealite, a child of adam and a farmer isnt the farmer the one who you call kneites? how cna you be and no one else is CHILD OF ADAM you are going off the deep end.
i too am a child of adam, a white person, i am not a farmer for i cant farm, probally could if i tried, as far as being realted to the jews, yes i am for i belong to JESUS and because i am adopted in to HIS FAMILY i am jewish too.