The 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible

[churchworker]

Here we have the 4 step proof of god. If you can't isolate anything wrong with it, it proves God of the Bible.

Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

Global conscience receives common grace; the perfecting of the saints receives eternal blessings. The unsaved are cordoned off into hell for rejecting God's grace and gift of salvation.

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Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created.

Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic.

Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves. Therefore, the uncreated created.

If you can't find anything wrong with the Proof then accept that it is true. Realize the proven fact that you were created by the uncreated. Can you do that?

If you still can't do that, know it is because you first assume God does not exist, then you try to rationalize your assumption, thus manifesting your disobedience to God, so this is why you are going to hell. You remain unforgiven for all your sins; alas, you may not even realize you are a sinner because you have chosen to shut your mind down, or if you do know you are a sinner, you don't care anyway and would rather go to hell. Someone like that is a bad person. Very sad way to live!

It has been my experience in talking to the unsaved, they are unsaved because they want to be, so no reason will work with them, no matter how beautiful and true. The problem lies in emotion; that is why I recommend listening to some a bit first before you consider Christ so that you can compare to the music you listen to.

Let us pray for all the fundamentalist atheists/agnostics and other fundy non-believers.

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[churchworker]

Please note this data is banned from being able to discuss it at iidb.org, randi.org, skepticsannotatedbible.com and others. This is the common treatment of God's Proof of Himself, to shut their minds down to it.

It should also be noted that Randi refuses to pay up th 1 million for the Proof, even though he can't find anything wrong with it

He chooses to be dishonest and censor instead.

These are typical behavior patterns as you would except of those who martyr apostles today if they could as was done before.

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[bluewater2]

Churchworker, I am still waiting for you to show me why you think that FACTnet hates Jesus. You made that statement early on and I am still waiting to see where you get that.

[bluewater2]

How do you know the owners are not Xtians?

[churchworker]

Since Adam is proven to be the first man, then prior to him was the pre-Adamic race which we have skeletal remains for and some historic writings.

It is not me that declares you are going to hell, but it is Jesus who is proven who sets the condition.

We know the owners are going to hell because they reject Christ.

[bluewater2]

How do you know that the owners reject Christ?

[churchworker]

Have you thought about now actually dealing with the fact that you can't find anything wrong with the Proof for God?

[yaakov2]

Don't need no bumper sticker. I've got one of those little fishes on my car. Inside it reads "Gefilte".

[churchworker]

Let it be noted the 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible remains unchallenged.

[churchworker]

iamwhoiam,

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I still have things to overcome in life, but I am being perfected by God because I have His life when He saved me.

You don't have this new life, because you don't get it when you call Jesus a liar even though you have no reason for calling Him a liar. This manifests your disobedience, hostility, independency and separation from your Creator Christ.

How sad for you that you would not reconsider your situation.

[churchworker]

Understand if there is such a banning it is because the owner of factnet.org would prefer to shut his mind down and yours to control you. He is a bad guy. So are you.

The way the scientific method works is someone creates some study which he believes is a proof of something. Then others in the scientific community examine that study done and either corroborate it or find something wrong with it.

But notice what the atheist/agnostic and other unsaved soul does. He shuts his mind down to the Proof for God and does not deal with it head on.

By shutting your mind down, you have allowed yourself to be controlled by evil spirits.

[iamwhoiam]

calling my ideas demented does not prove me wrong.

you say that you are using a dictionary definition for sin.

sin
–noun 1. transgression of divine law: the sin of Adam.
2. any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle.
3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It's a sin to waste time.
–verb (used without object) 4. to commit a sinful act.
5. to offend against a principle, standard, etc.
–verb (used with object) 6. to commit or perform sinfully: He sinned his crimes without compunction.
7. to bring, drive, etc., by sinning: He sinned his soul to perdition.
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006

in what way does this definition imply that i have some condition that i need to be saved from?

Do you really think women were meant to cover there faces so their faces can't be seen? What an evil thing.
you did nothing to answer my qustion.
you simply criticized the laws of another country.

i am getting the idea that you are unable to defend your proofs.

i will continue to do this until i am satisfied that every issue of your proofs has been exposed.

anyone who reads this stuff (and there are many)
will see how foolish your proofs really are.

i am glad that you are continuing to make a fool of yourself here.
it is the justice of god that brought you here.

[churchworker]

During the first 4000 years, some people were saved. Abel, son of Adam, gave a right offering to God to be saved.

The exponential progression in conscience remains proven with the various examples given. Since you could not show otherwise, they remain true.

Perfecting of the saints does not mean they will be fully perfected in this life. Some will reach a very high status though to be sure to receive the reward of reigning with Christ.

Being perfected does not mean like the borg. The borg are certainly nothing to be considered perfect. The borg don't have their own free-will, but they are more like robots as is taught in calvinism.

But all mankind are sovereign beings.

The common grace of God is working this exponential progression, for God will not put up with sin forever.

[jayshawn]

"Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created. "

SHAWN: This seems like nothing more than a repetitive statement/argument that has already been covered. Nature cannot produce effect without cause…..so what. All this proves here is that we are not capable of understanding where all the little atoms, protons, neutrons, molecules, etc. got their beginning from…that’s it.

Nature moves on it’s on…no different than an automated program. All we can know is the effects that we see and can analyze with our minds. The first cause is a mystery that will never be solved because there are no humans present that was there to witness the beginning, testify as to the how, as to the who/what was behind it, etc. As humans all we see is an invisible (to our eyes) cause that produces effects. No one sees the hand behind it and no Xtian can prove with evidence that it’s the hand of their god. Now if we actually witness a figure in action causing such things then we could begin to investigate that figure. Better yet if that figure spoke it we would then see the cause in action. But we can’t and with that stop pretending to know because you don’t and it is proven.

"Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic. "

SHAWN: There’s no point in me responding except for saying that this is definently not a perfect proof here of the Xtian god.


"Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves. Therefore, the uncreated created."

SHAWN: The sad case of stated an argument as fact first and then using that to prove the argument. Where did this author pull these facts from? Where has the author discovered for fact that gods can’t create gods, that supernatural events can’t cause supernatural events, etc? This person speaks as if to be all knowing and well beyond human with a finite mind. If this person had such knowledge as fact then they themselves would be more ‘god’ than the god he is trying to prove.

[xman3]

Doesn't surprise me. Its not often when the atheists and Christians alike end up ridiculing the posts of people. Right or wrong, I'm glad my mindless posts contributed to his quick exodus with his tail between his legs. Odd fellow indeed. Its pretty funny when he leaves with those stupid comments that try and pump up his own ego by saying its others mindlessness that caused his God (himself?) to tell him to leave after 10 people slapped him around and tore up his so called proofs. Still, I think he'll sneak back eventually, maybe after a quick trip to Mars.