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[mhead66]

What is the correct interpretation of Luke 11:13? (KJV):

Luke 11:1-13

V1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

V2 And He said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

V3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

V4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

V5 And He said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;

V6 For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?

V7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.

V8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity (persistence) he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.

V9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

V10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

V11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

V12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

V13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Jesus is clearly saying that if you are a child of God (with God as your heavenly Father), you can persistently (v. 8-12) ask Him for the Holy Spirit. It is Biblically evident that we do not receive eternal life by persistently asking the Father for the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not addressing unbelievers here. Again, one must be born again for God to be your heavenly Father. At the moment of salvation, we automatically receive the permanent, indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of our inheritance (Eph 1:13-14). We do not ask persistently for this.

So what is this verse referring to?

The parallel account in Matthew 7:11 reads How much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask Him. Receiving the Holy Spirit is equated with receiving good gifts. When we ask (as Christians) our Father to be filled with the Holy Spirit, would it not seem parallel with empowerment, manifested by the gifts of the Spirit?

We are continuously told that we must function in the gifts of the Spirit to be effective witnesses - I Cor. 2:4-5, I Cor. 4:20, 2 Cor. 4:7, and Eph. 4:11-13 are prime examples. Romans 11:29 says, For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Is it conceivable that the early church needed the empowerment and the gifts to effectively witness, and we do not?

Does not the Word of God say to covet / desire / forbid not / despise not the best gifts?

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

M(r)(s). mhead66:

Thank you for making my point so absolutely crystral clearly! I have tried conveying this to thousands over the years.

Allow me to put this in in bold type. Please take it to the bank with you, write it in your little book, etc. Use it constantly.

<u>READ EVERY TEXT IN CONTEXT WITHOUT A PRETEXT!!</u>

It is readily apparent in the example you provided that someone brought their religious crapology to God (w)Holy Inspired Inerrant Word for the Ages, then perverted God's Word to support their lunacy. Thank you so much for the example on how not to read the Bible.

[mhead66]

TATM

You have replied to a number of my with the exact same answer: READ EVERY TEXT IN CONTEXT WITHOUT A PRETEXT!! You said that I have given an "example on how not to read the Bible."

Dictionary.com defines context as such:

1. The parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: Example: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. The set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Dictionary.com defines pretext as such:

1. Something that is put forward to conceal a true purpose or object; an ostensible reason; excuse
2. The misleading appearance or behavior assumed with this intention.


In other words, you are saying that I take the verse out of context, to change the verse's true meaning, in an effort to conceal its truth. Also, that my interpretation is intentionally misleading, to produce an excuse for my point of view.

At least, this is what I think you are saying - am I right?

If that is the case, please note that I listed every verse from Luke 11 - verses 1-13 - in an effort to maintain verse 13's context. To say I took it out of context - would you prefer that I type the entire book of Luke in my posts?

And if you think I'm intentionally misleading in my interpretation, let me once again state verse 13: If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Rather than making simple, undefended accusations, please give me YOUR interpretation of this verse.

[arron]

you should know tatm so dont ever answer your self