Cults

[fatherofaking]

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: \ˈkəlt\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date: 1617
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health>
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
meriam webster online


here is your religion.
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/wave.htm

[fatherofaking]

the catholic church fits the classic definition of a cult.
what they do is equivilent to mind control.
they use ritual and dogma to instill a state of mind(connected to belief)in masses of people.
they have there own language and symbolism to aid in the effect.

all of christianty is patterned from the catholic church.

now, about hitler.
what you see in this video(if you care to watch it) is a classic use of mind control on a mass level.
if you can't see the similarities in the use of dogma, ritual and symbolism, then i am sorry.

the perfect society is the easiest to control.

[bluewater2]

Tobacco is a scourge. Hitler got that one right. But, ultimately, it is up to the people to "say no to scourges", not for laws to deny it. Organized religion is a scourge too, so . . . . wake up people!!

[rachelengland]

"we don't need, nor should we want anyone telling us what to believe".


Well that is up for debate. Ever heard of the Joybook? That is book some males who are members of the Mormon(LDS) faith use to put the names of the young girls(usually in their early teens)that are ready to join their group of wives...They feel a woman is only here to have babies until they die ..that they belong to men and should be seen but not heard and that sex should not be enjoyable-it is a duty. The women go along with this because they are brainwashed to think it will get them into the inner sanctum of heaven..should we leave these people alone? Should young girls be forced into this lifestyle(which is against the law of the land).. I do not think so. I agree faith should be PERSONAL..get away from the groups- most have led to nothing but trouble. R

[fatherofaking]

myths have built and sustained entire civilizations.

in the hands of the right leaders they build great civilizaitons.
in the hands of the wrong leaders we have tyranny.

in the face of tyranny we must take a stand for the individual conscience.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Mr. Fatherofaking:

Quoting: "the perfect society is the easiest to control."
End quote.

Isn't that the desire of your religion, to create the perfect society without Christianity?

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Ms. Rachelengland:

Quoting: "They feel a woman is only here to have babies until they die ..that they belong to men and should be seen but not heard and that sex should not be enjoyable-it is a duty. The women go along with this because they are brainwashed to think it will get them into the inner sanctum of heaven.."
End quote.

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OH! I see . . . inner sanctum of heaven . . . you forgot to mention which of the seven Mormon heavens you are referring to. Silly me.

[still_small_voice]

"we don't need, nor should we want anyone telling us what to believe".

Within reason. What is ironic is that if the Old Testament Jewish Law were attempted to be practiced as it was in those times in modern civilized society it would likely be illegal. Animal cruelty, extreme capital punishment, etc...

Freedom of religion is a wonderful thing and I belive America is blessed to have it. Yet, if any religion, in practicing it causes clear and obvious physcial harm to others, maybe that should be regulated.

There is a chruch which claims freedom of religion on order to smoke Marijuana. Claiming hemp is the tree of life. Should they be free to practice? Using the slippery slope argument I would say yes. A group that wants to perform human sacrifice? No.

A group that wants to perform animal sacrifice? I say OK as long as the eat their sacrifice and call it a BBQ. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[yaakov2]

<font color="0000ff">What is ironic is that if the Old Testament Jewish Law were attempted to be practiced as it was in those times in modern civilized society it would likely be illegal. Animal cruelty, extreme capital punishment, etc...</font>

That's only because you are ignorant of the true meanings of the law. Jews worldwide, including myself follow the relevant Laws of G-d in the present day.

Currently, the circumstances don't exist for either animal sacrifice or capital punishment to be legal.

[fatherofaking]

i read somewhere that a red heifer was needed before animal sacrifices could happen.
is that a correct interpretation of numbers chapt.19?

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

M(r)(s). yaakov2:

You are absolutely right. God refused the animal sacrifices of the children of Israel. Sacrifices will not resume until the one thousand year reign of Christ.

I, also, take exception to the misleading term "Jew." A "Jew" is a (wo)man of Judah. The name Jew was never associated with the children of Israel to whom the promises and gifts of God are given.

[trainedobserver]

Sacrifices will not resume until the one thousand year reign of Christ.M


Oh lovely. The Supreme Being will still require the blood of innocent animals to be shed, their lives erased in a moment of pain and terror? What idiotic nonsense. That is just down right repulsive. That crap is about as spiritual as a ham sandwich on wheat with no mayo.

[still_small_voice]

"Currently, the circumstances don't exist for either animal sacrifice or capital punishment to be legal."

What is this based on? How convenient seeing as the temple does not exist, nor the priesthood anymore and it is therefore impossible.

Unless maybe a tabernacle was constructed.

This would require another Moses type prophet to get the instructions from God.

Where is it written in the Old Testament that the animal sacrifices were temporary and the ethics of the Old Testament were situational until mankind would grow out of that stuff?

"I, also, take exception to the misleading term "Jew." A "Jew" is a (wo)man of Judah"

Well dude... what happened to the other tribes... no wait don't answer that.

By the way, you have just called the bible misleading, which is strange because you follow it... it uses the term 287 times, depending on translation including

Romans 3
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Which is using the term Jew... and Jewish as those to whom the oracles of God were commited.

The New Testament is misleading, yes?

[still_small_voice]

And, by the way, adherents of Judaism refer to themselves as "Jewish" do they not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

And what is the linguistic relationship between Judaism and Judah?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

"Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people"

Jew is derived from Judah and Judaism is it not?

So when the term "Jew" is used it is generally understood what is meant.

Your distinction is not emphasized among the Jewish people themselves.

I asked what religion someone was recently and they replied "reform Jew".

In that Judah descended from Isreal, all Jews are Israelites? Yes? No? not really?

Because a non-jew by birth can convert to Judaism and they are a Jew by religion. Are the promises to them too? Or only Jews by blood?

The answer to the question "what is a Jew" is as much open to debate as the question "What is a Christian".

Romans 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.

Are you a Jew inwardly or an Israelite?

[still_small_voice]

"Sacrifices will not resume until the one thousand year reign of Christ"

Why would this be necessary if Christ already made the perfect sin sacrifice?

Would these be burnt offerings just to please Christ or what?

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

M(r)(s). still_small_voice:

Ever hear of money?

[yaakov2]

still_small_voice

<font color="119911">"Currently, the circumstances don't exist for either animal sacrifice or capital punishment to be legal."</font>

<font color="0000ff">What is this based on?</font>

The Jewish bible.

<font color="0000ff">How convenient seeing as the temple does not exist, nor the priesthood anymore and it is therefore impossible.</font>

It’s not a matter of “convenience”. This is the Law as stated by G-d. Valid sacrifices are only allowed at the Temple. Sacrifices were never the chief method of repentance and atonement, anyways. Sincere, repentant prayer is, and that can be done anywhere.

<font color="0000ff">This would require another Moses type prophet to get the instructions from God.</font>

No. We already have our eternal instructions from G-d.

<font color="0000ff">Where is it written in the Old Testament …</font>

I don’t read the Christian Greek Testament.

<font color="0000ff">By the way, you have just called the bible misleading, which is strange because you follow it... it uses the term 287 times, depending on translation including </font>

There are so many Christian translations; I don’t know how you keep them all straight.

<font color="0000ff">The New Testament is misleading, yes?</font>

Ah. So, you agree too.

<font color="0000ff">And, by the way, adherents of Judaism refer to themselves as "Jewish" do they not?</font>

Yes.

<font color="0000ff">And what is the linguistic relationship between Judaism and Judah?</font>

Judaism is the name of the religion. Judah is the name of one of the Hebrew tribes. It was also the name of one of the kingdoms.

<font color="0000ff">So when the term "Jew" is used it is generally understood what is meant.</font>

Like many words, it has different meanings depending on context and word usage.

[yaakov2]

fatherofaking

<font color="0000ff">i read somewhere that a red heifer was needed before animal sacrifices could happen. is that a correct interpretation of numbers chapt.19?</font>

A lot of things are needed before animal sacrifices are allowed to resume under G-d’s Law. The Red Heifer is just one component.

[still_small_voice]

Yaakov2 you come out swinging don't you?

Some of what you responded to was directed more to TATM who faulted me and corrected me on my usage of the word "Jew" which I do not think was out of context at all.

Are you a Messianic Jew or whatever term you prefer, or are you simply Jewish or whatever term applies?

When did the sacrifices cease in the Temple?

What was the factor which brought them to a halt?

Also, I do not begrudge you your religion, I supppsoe even if you fired up the animal sacrifices again somewhere, somehow, like if a third Temple was constructed and some Levites could be found.

AS I mentioned on the other thread somewhere, I eat BBQ... I eat meat, what is it to me if you attach some significance to the killing before eating. Now if the meat was not consumed I would call that wasteful. Like killing a buffalo for the tongue and hide and letting the carcass rot.

Ideally I would hunt for my meat, but servants of the Supermarket are most of us these days.

[still_small_voice]

Well, rereading the thread, I think TATM was directing his comment more to you Yaakov2, concerning the 'misleading' term of the word Jew.

[yaakov2]

still_small_voice

<font color="0000ff">Some of what you responded to was directed more to TATM who faulted me and corrected me on my usage of the word "Jew" which I do not think was out of context at all.</font>

Well, your post responded to quotes from both TATM and I.

<font color="0000ff">Are you a Messianic Jew or whatever term you prefer, or are you simply Jewish or whatever term applies?</font>

I am Jewish, the Conservative denomination.

People that identify themselves as being “Messianic Jews” are really practicing Christians.

<font color="0000ff">When did the sacrifices cease in the Temple? What was the factor which brought them to a halt?</font>

At the destruction of each. The first Temple was destroyed 422 B.C.E., the second Temple was destroyed 70 C.E.

<font color="0000ff">AS I mentioned on the other thread somewhere, I eat BBQ... I eat meat, what is it to me if you attach some significance to the killing before eating. Now if the meat was not consumed I would call that wasteful. Like killing a buffalo for the tongue and hide and letting the carcass rot. Ideally I would hunt for my meat, but servants of the Supermarket are most of us these days.</font>

LOL. I like you.

[still_small_voice]

"At the destruction of each. The first Temple was destroyed 422 B.C.E., the second Temple was destroyed 70 C.E."

Was this second destruction due to the will of God? Was it judgment? Was it prophesied, did it catch the Jewish people of the time by surprise?

What does conservative Jewish eschatology consist of these days, is there going to be a third Temple?

Tell me... do you see an interesting contradiction in Pauline Christianity in that it derives its authority and purpose from the inspiration and prophecies of Judaism, then effecively destroys judaism, turns it on its head, and creates a new religion that does not fit at all within the principles, purpose, and practice of judaism. Kind of portrays J_hov_h (don't want to offend) as a confused deity, don't you think?

[yaakov2]

still_small_voice

<font color="0000ff">Was this second destruction due to the will of God? Was it judgment? Was it prophesied, did it catch the Jewish people of the time by surprise?</font>

Both destructions happened for the same reason, most Jews were abandoning G-d and the tenets of Judaism.

<font color="0000ff">What does conservative Jewish eschatology consist of these days, is there going to be a third Temple?</font>

Upon looking up eschatology, it seems to be more of a Christian term. In Judaism, there isn’t any such thing as “end times”. When the Messiah is born, grows up, and fulfills his prophesized duties, all humanity will enter the Messianic age. It will be a time of world peace and prosperity from then on. After the Messiah dies, it will continue.

Within Conservative Judaism, there are ongoing debates about the exact form of the Messianic age. I personally think that the Temple will be rebuilt on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It will happen at the proper time, when we are ready for it, and can not be forced.

<font color="0000ff">Tell me... do you see an interesting contradiction in Pauline Christianity in that it derives its authority and purpose from the inspiration and prophecies of Judaism, then effecively destroys judaism, turns it on its head, and creates a new religion that does not fit at all within the principles, purpose, and practice of judaism. Kind of portrays J_hov_h (don't want to offend) as a confused deity, don't you think?</font>

I see many contradictions within Christianity. However, they can believe and worship as they wish.

[still_small_voice]

"they can believe and worship as they wish."

In America and certain nations. They still get killed in other nations. Convert (or de-convert) or die is practiced in certain places still.

Of course Christians have a history of killing each other at times.

Freedom of religion is a wonderful thing.

Separation of Church and State as well.

I suppose this time of peace under the Messiah will be a theocracy. I don't know if I would be OK with that. I suppose I could choose not to live in Israel at that time and be free or is this one world government at this time?

Hard to say I suppose.