Are their any true Christians in Christendom

[called]

1. True Christians are followers of Christ, not people who join man made religious originations such as sects or denominations that divide the Body of Christ and follow the teachings or doctrines of man.Over the pure word of God.

2. True Christians follow only the pure word of as it is written word for word without adding or taking away from it no matter what the cost even to the point of death.

3. A true Christian would rather die than to compromise the living word of God as it is written or bow down to this worldly ungodly watered down candy coated apostate church system called Christendom.

4. True Christians follow the old paths that Christ himself came down to establish 2000 years ago without changing one single dot of what is written in scripture.

5. A True Christian woman dose not cut her hair short like a boy, wear make up or jewelry, show parts of her body, but covers herself up completely and dresses in modestly as a holy woman separated unto the lord.

6. A true Christian woman would never seek to become an ordained church leader that would enable her to teach and take authority over men.

7. A true Christian woman stays home mines her business, takes care of the house and children and submits herself completely onto her own husband in obedience as on to Christ himself

8. A true Christian man is the head of his household’ provider and spiritual leader, he gives honor and respect unto his wife as unto the weaker vessel, he loves his wife as Christ loves the church and must be willing to die for her at any given moment, he dose not discourage his children nor provoke them to anger. But corrects them with discipline when needed or they are bastards.

9. True Christians do not believe that we are saved by grace through {Faith Alone} or that baptism and obedience to the word of God is no longer necessary for salvation today, but lives by every word that proceeds out of the month of God that we have recorded in our NT bibles without compromise it in anyway shape or form.

10. Christ is coming back, To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 (Amplified Bible)
In Christ
Johnny

[yaakov2]

Hi Called

In your estimation, what percent of people that call themselves True Christians, are really true Christians? About 5%?

[called]

Maybe but i truly believe its less.

[called]

Many so called professing Christians today have no problem talking the talk but very very few will ever walk the walk and that’s a biblical fact! Because straight and narrow is the way that leads to life and few their be that find it Brother, Matthew 7:13-23

God Bless

[arron]

GOD will always have a wittness here on earth no one can take that away. even when we have to die for the cuse of CHRIST we will go out wittnessing to the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD AND THE HOLY GHOST POWER

[called]

Many are called but few are chosen

1. True Christians are followers of Christ, not people who join man made religious originations such as sects or denominations that divide the Body of Christ and follow the teachings or doctrines of man over the pure word of God. 1:cor 1:10, 12:25,

2. True Christians follow {only} the pure word of as it is written word for word without adding or taking away from it no matter what the cost even to the point of death. Duet 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, Rev 22:18-19,

3. A true Christian would rather die than to compromise the living word of God as it is written or bow down to this worldly, ungodly, watered down, candy coated, apostate church system called Christendom.

4. True Christians follow the {old paths} that Christ himself came down to establish and die for over 2000 years ago without changing one single jot or dot of what is written in the27 books of the NT scriptures. Mat 5:14-20,

5. A True Christian woman dose not cut her hair short like a boy, wear make up or jewelry, show parts of her body or wear tight cloths that puts brothers into temptation, but covers herself up completely and dresses in modestly as a holy woman separated unto the Lord himself and to her husband which is her head. 1 Cor Ch 11, and so on,

6. A true Christian woman would never seek to become an ordained church leader that would enable her to teach and take authority over men. 1 Cor 14:33-38, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 3:1-14, Titus 1:4-11, 2:3-5, in that order.

7. A true Christian woman stays home mines her own business, takes care of the house and children and submits herself completely unto her own husband in obedience as unto the Lord in {Everything} Titus 2:3-5, 1 Tim 5:14-15, Eph 5:22-24 Col 3:18

8. A true Christian man is the head of his household’ provider and spiritual leader, he gives honor and respect unto his wife as unto the weaker vessel, he loves his wife as Christ loves the church and must be willing to die for her at any given moment, he dose not discourage his children nor provoke them to anger. But corrects them with discipline when needed or they are bastards. 1 Cor 11:3, 1 Tim 5:8, 1 Cor 14:33-37, 1 Peter 3:7, Eph 5:25, Col 3:21, Heb 12:8, In that order.

9. True Christians do not believe that we are saved by grace through {Faith Alone} or that baptism and obedience to the word of God is no longer necessary for salvation today, but lives by every word that proceeds out of the month of God that we have recorded in our NT bibles without compromise it in anyway shape or form, James 2:14-26, Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:18-21, Mark 16:16, Acts 5:32, Rom 2:7-10, 6:16-17, 10:16, Gal 3:1, 5:7, Phil 2:12, 2 Thess 1:8, Heb 5:9, Mat 4:4 Luke 4:4, in that order.

10. Christ is coming back, To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 (Amplified Bible)

this is what i teach in my Ministry Arron! Dose the Pentecostal church teach this or any other denomination on the face of the earth for that matter???

[arron]

no we teach we are saved when we believe on THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. the theif on the cross was not saved till he believed and he did not have time to be baptised or join a synogogue or pay tithes or anything like that. women in our church can preach if they are called the wall of partition has been torn down between us , there are women in our church who have to wqork to help her husband keep the food and money to live on coming in she is to be his help mate you are a nut for believing such rot as you claim to believe

[called]

The thief on the Cross has nothing whatsoever to do with NT Salvation, The NT did not begin until 50 days after the death of Christ and your so called church is leading you straight into the lake of fire Arron, it is not a church of God but of Satan the father of Lies!!!

[still_small_voice]

"Maybe but i truly believe its less." -called

So about 99.5 percent of humanity is not going to be saved and going to hell. But Jesus came to save humanity, this was his task and mission... did Jesus fail? Or the Devil win, according to your beliefs?

Be careful, if you make heaven any smaller, even you might not be able to fit in it.

Who says you are a true Christian anyway? You?

[still_small_voice]

Called, you are simply a neo-calvinist. There is absolutely nothing, or nearly nothing original about what you believe. There are more Christians that disagree with you than agree with you.

The schisms run deep, they are all based on bible. You are not objective at all, and have much cult building potential in your personality.

[called]

Christ called his true followers the little flock, Luke 12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom Christ also made it abundantly clear that many are called but only few are chosen, also only a remnant shall be saved, because straight and narrow is the way that leads to life and few their be that find it, but wide and broad is the way that leads to destruction and many their be that go their in { CHRISTENDOM}, you do the math sir,. Christendom is an ungodly man made church system from hell and all who belong to it will go down with the ship including you if your apart of it!

[called]

Christ knew just who would come to him before the foundation of the world, do you believe that the lamb’s book of life was written yesterday or this morning sir ? whoever is not written in that book will never ever come to Christ and that’s a biblical fact because no man can come to Christ unless the father draws him, and the bible makes it very clear that God dose not draw all to himself through Christ, {ONLY HIS ELECT or CHOSEN FEW}

[hardbones]

Reminds me of an old joke. Bears repeating here. We'll use my own charismatic belief system here so I don't offend anyone.
A true christian died and went to heaven. Jesus or St. Peter or Called or someone was showing him around. Went down one of the streets paved with gold and saw a big group praising the Lord and he was told they are the baptists. A little farther another group praising and was told they were the Anglicans. Lots of groups like this finally came to some big walls with a group inside just really going at it. Happy and praising and letting all of heaven know it. The true christian asked his guide who they were. St. Peter said "Oh thats the charismatics. They think they are the only ones in here"
An old joke I know but it just seemed to fit in here. Not trying to offend anyone its just a joke.

[still_small_voice]

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop! Don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he said. “Well, there’s so much to live for!” “Like what?” “Well… are you religious?” He said yes. I said, “Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?” “Christian.” “Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant ? “Protestant.” “Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?” “Baptist” “Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?” “Baptist Church of God!” “Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you reformed Baptist Church of God?” “Reformed Baptist Church of God!” “Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!” I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off.

[rachelengland]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif thanks for the laughs...R

[still_small_voice]

"Christ called his true followers the little flock, Luke 12:32"

" After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; 10 and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,
“Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Now if we were to start arguing about this, that would be theological debate, which usually never has a clear winner.

[called]

I don't want to argue with you, and yes your right a great number of people will be saved during the great tribulation , but in comparison to all the people that was born and died on the face of the earth since the very beginning it will be considered a little flock wouldn’t you agree?

[hardbones]

Thats a very good point there Luke 12/32
Actually I'm a calvinist too but that's not the way you preach it. Its whosoever will.
Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying

[called]

Hi Hardbones

I agree you do have to laugh to keep from crying, and {ITS WHOSOEVER WILL} has been chosen before the foundation of the world, so we can dress it up as much as we want but at the end when all is said and done it will still be a little flock {Gods chosen}= The Elect} since the beginning.

[called]

still_small_voice

The Bible always that Satan deceived {THE WHOLE WORLD} That sounds like allot of people wouldn’t you say?

Rev 13: 7He was further permitted to wage war on God's holy people (the saints) and to overcome them. And power was given him to extend his authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation,(B)

8 And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in adoration and pay him homage, everyone whose name has not been recorded in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain [in sacrifice] [b]from the foundation of the world.

11 Then I saw another beast rising up out of the land [itself]; he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke (roared) like a dragon.

12 He exerts all the power and right of control of the former beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell upon it to exalt and deify the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed, and to worship him.

13 He performs great signs (startling miracles), even making fire fall from the sky to the earth in men's sight.

14 And because of the signs (miracles) which he is allowed to perform in the presence of the [first] beast, he deceives those who inhabit the earth, commanding them to erect a statue (an image) in the likeness of the beast who was wounded by the [small] sword and still lived.(D)

15 And he is permitted [also] to impart the breath of life into the beast's image, so that the statue of the beast could actually talk and cause to be put to death those who would not bow down and worship the image of the beast.(E)

16 Also he compels all [alike], both small and great, both the rich and the poor, both free and slave, to be marked with an inscription [[c]stamped] on their right hands or on their foreheads,

17 So that no one will have power to buy or sell unless he bears the stamp (mark, inscription), [that is] the name of the beast or the number of his name.

This is allot of people wouldn’t you say?

[still_small_voice]

"Christ called his true followers the little flock, Luke 12:32"

32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

What reason is there to expand the context of this passage beyond the small flock he was speaking to at the time, which was indeed small?

For you to use this to justify a doctrine, in the manner you have, does not really hold up to scrutiny.

The fact is, there is no reason or necessity to expand the context, other than to prop up your doctrine.

This is a simple ad hoc fallacy. And yes logical fallacies can occur in the handling of scripture. Sometimes there more than other places.

[still_small_voice]

"The Bible always that Satan deceived {THE WHOLE WORLD} That sounds like allot of people wouldn’t you say?"

This includes you as well? That would be the whole world. The whole world would include you. Maybe you are still deceived. Maybe you decieve yourself.

"Let no man deceive you" -Jesus

So we got the devil deceiving and men deceiving and people deceiving themselves. The devil? That is just a scapegoat. Men deceive themselves more than anyone else deceives them. And we are all accountable for our actions whatever you believe.

Called, in case you missed or overlooked the inerrancy thread... if you expect me to engage in debate with you as if the bible is agreed upon as inerrant by both of us, you must prove it first... and answer the questions on that thread... with substance not smoke.

Then we can talk.

[called]

Well if you don't believe what the bible says word for word and would rather believe in some modern day liberal new age movement over the word of God than your right we have nothing to talk about! Good night.
There is no such thing as a liberal Christ because they are counter fit!

[still_small_voice]

Yep, run away from the truth. That is what you are doing no matter how you mannage to convince your self otherwise.

[arron]

the church began WHEN CHRIST DIED AND AROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY NOT FIFTY DAY AFTER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST WAS GIVEN TO THE CHURCH. THEY WERE ALREADY SAVED

[called]

Arron the Holy Spirit is Christ way of entering us and making us part of his body {THE CHURCH} and that is what happen on the day of Pentecost 50 days after his death,

[arron]

the church was formed on the day of pentecost.when JESUS DIED the theif became the first new testament child of GOD for JESUS TODAY THOU SHALT BE WITH ME IN PARIDISE

[one_faith]

Hi arron & called, here's an article that may help your discussion...
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/read/what_about_the_thief_on_the_cross

(Message edited by one_faith on June 10, 2007)

[called]

one-faith
"""The fact is, while Jesus was on earth he had the authority to dispense blessings directly based upon the circumstances at hand. At the time of his death, however, his authority was made resident in his testamentary “will” (Hebrews 9:15-17). And the terms of that will specify baptism as a condition of pardon (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21, etc.).

No one has the legal right to eliminate that condition by appealing to something the Lord did while he was implementing his earthly ministry. The heavenly regime takes precedence over the former.

It becomes very apparent, therefore, that those who appeal to the case of the “thief on the cross,” as a specific example for conversion today, are mistaken in several particulars.

(a) They do not comprehend the difference between the Savior’s earthly operations and his current reign from heaven; and,

(b) They have thrust aside the plain demands of the New Covenant economy.

Yes i agree and this is what i teach in the Philippines! Thank you Brother/Sister

God bless

johnny

[called]

The thief on the cross had nothing whatsoever to do with NT Salvation, he died along with Christ under the old covenant, and there is not one single NT convert who ever entered into the new covenant without being water baptized in the name of the lord for the forgiveness of sins Acts 2:38, So STOP trying to get around it and just OBEY the COMMANDMENT of Christ and be baptized and wash your sins away, Your arms are to short to box with God!!!

You are not a christian if you have not been water baptized. so grow up and do that the word of God says or don't even consider yourself a christian.

[called]

True Christians are followers of Christ, not people who join man made religious originations such as sects or denominations that divide the Body of Christ and follow the teachings or doctrines of man.Over the pure word of God.

2. True Christians follow only the pure word of as it is written word for word without adding or taking away from it no matter what the cost even to the point of death.

3. A true Christian would rather die than to compromise the living word of God as it is written or bow down to this worldly ungodly watered down candy coated apostate church system called Christendom.

4. True Christians follow the old paths that Christ himself came down to establish 2000 years ago without changing one single dot of what is written in scripture.

5. A True Christian woman dose not cut her hair short like a boy, wear make up or jewelry, show parts of her body, but covers herself up completely and dresses in modestly as a holy woman separated unto the lord.

6. A true Christian woman would never seek to become an ordained church leader that would enable her to teach and take authority over men.

7. A true Christian woman stays home mines her business, takes care of the house and children and submits herself completely onto her own husband in obedience as on to Christ himself

8. A true Christian man is the head of his household’ provider and spiritual leader, he gives honor and respect unto his wife as unto the weaker vessel, he loves his wife as Christ loves the church and must be willing to die for her at any given moment, he dose not discourage his children nor provoke them to anger. But corrects them with discipline when needed or they are bastards.

9. True Christians do not believe that we are saved by grace through {Faith Alone} or that baptism and obedience to the word of God is no longer necessary for salvation today, but lives by every word that proceeds out of the month of God that we have recorded in our NT bibles without compromise it in anyway shape or form.

10. Christ is coming back, To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 (Amplified Bible)
In Christ
Johnny

The only true Christians in Christendom are those who come completely out of her!!!

[called]

Are their any true Christians on Fact net that follow the word of God {{{ONLY}}} {{{as it is written}}} without compromising it in anyway shape or form???

If you can not answer this question than you are not a true christian!!!

[shoesqueak]

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To the "Called" one, Johnny:
I must confess, I failed to follow God's word in every way today,
yet I answered your question, so am I not still a true Christian?
By the way Johnny, as you probably already know,
Jesus didn't have the NT, but rather God's word through Moses
and the inspired prophets,that he continually gave referrence to.
Jesus Christ was our living physical example that we must closely imitate.
Jesus said, man cannot live on bread alone,
but on every word coming forth through the mouth of God the Father.
Johnny, I am curious, do you keep the sabbath,
let your beard grow to a priestly lenght, and
forsake tattoos &amp; body piercing and refrain from smoking?</font></font></font>

[shoesqueak]

<font color="000000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+0">
To the "Called" one, Johnny:
I must confess, I failed to follow God's word in every way today,
yet I answered your question, so am I not still a true Christian?
By the way Johnny, as you probably already know,
Jesus didn't have the NT, but rather God's word through Moses
and the inspired prophets,that he continually gave referrence to.
Jesus Christ was our living physical example that we must closely imitate.
Jesus said, man cannot live on bread alone,
but on every word coming forth through the mouth of God the Father.
Johnny, I am curious, do you keep the sabbath,
let your beard grow to a priestly lenght, and
forsake tattoos &amp; body piercing and refrain from smoking?

Squeaky</font></font></font>

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Hello, M(r)(s). Called:

Someone erroneously labeled you as neo-Calvinist. The filth you are promoting actually dates back to the Roman Church. Your first post was taken almost word for word from John Wesley's writings.

Come, let us reason together. Acts 8:12?? Were these people saved according to your religion? Book, chapter and verse please.

[called]

Yes Sir here in the Philippines I am hated by many and followed by few because I am considered an ultra conservative fundamentalist that preaches and teaches intolerance. But I guess you’re just another open minded liberal! Who claims to up hold Apostolic Truth!

[called]

In your Ministry or you yourself lie and steel from your congregation by collecting OT Tithes from them? Do you let the Sisters become ordained church leaders or take authority over the Brothers? Do you let the Sisters cut their hair short or wear make up and jewelry or dress immodestly? Do you celebrate pagan Roman Catholic Holy Days such as Christ-Mass, Easter and Sunday Rest and worship? Do you believe that the first day of the week is the Lords Day? Do you believe Jesus Christ is the second person of the Godhead? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead! Do you allow openly active gays or lesbians to become full church members? Do you keep the NT Passover on April 3rd? Do you let more than one person at a time speak in an unknown tongue without having someone else explain the message being spoken so all may learn from it?

Dose the teachings and practices of your Ministry line up perfectly with the teachings and practices of the apostolic church in the first century as we have recorded in our NT Canon,

And where you received the title Rev??? {{{Not from Scripture}}}!!!

Do you baptize in the three fold Trinitarian formula found in the tail end of Mat 28:19

If so please show me this practice in scripture!!!

P Johnny

and please don't make believe your not out their!

[termin8d]

the_apostolic_truth_ministries : Johnny has a habit of plagiarism. He loves to quote other people's words even though more often than not, their position actually contradicts his own.

He likes to condemn people to hell on the one hand and then say he doesn't want to aruge or debate on the other.

It's time he started rising to the challenge and put his money where his mouth is.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

M(r)(s). Called (P Johnny?):

Come, my good person, you did not address my question. Are the folks in Acts 8:12 saved or lost? Scripture please (book, chapter &amp; verse).

[termin8d]

Good luck. Thoughtful discussions are not his forté.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

M(r)(s). termin8d:

I would venture so far as to say M(r)(s). Called (P Johnny) and Mr. Arron are both philistines.

[termin8d]

Mr http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif
The name's Oliver. And warm greetings in Christ to you. I don't know a lot about Aaron's background, except that he has a big thing for speaking in tongues, (pentecostal background perhaps?). Anyhow, keep fighting the good fight.