Serpent Seed Flaws [Archive]

godchild

04-06-2006, 04:30 PM

About the Kenites:

Judges 1:16 Now the children of the Kenite, Moses' father-in-law, went up from the city of Palms with the children of Judah into the Wilderness of Judah, which lies in the south near Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people. And Judah went with his brother Simeon, and they attacked the Canaanites who inhabited Zelphath, and utterly destroyed it.

References to the SOUTH, (that is, the Negev) in vv.9,15 included mention of the descendants of the Kenites, Moses' father-in-law, Jethro (Ex.3:1). This family connection had led to friendly relations between the Kenites, who were Midianites, in the wilderness (Num.10:29-32). Their harmonious settling with Juda fulfilled Moses words of Num. 10:29. =Now Moses said to Hobab the son of Reuel the Midianite, Moses' father-in-law, "We are setting out for the place of which the Lord said, 'I will give it to you.' (Gen 12:7 Then the Lord appeared to Abram and said, "To your descendants I will give this land.") Come with us, and we will treat you well; for the LORD has promised good things to Israel." And he said to him, "I will not go, but I will depart to my own land and to my relatives." So Moses said, "Please, do not leave, in as much as you know how we are to camp in the wilderness, and you can be our eyes. And it shall be, if you go with us --indeed it shall be-- that whatever good the Lord will do to us, the same we will do to you." vs33 So they departed..............

arron

04-06-2006, 05:56 PM

the kenite doctrine( false) as taught by zeke and watchman are just that false. eve had no child by satan, adam father ever one of the children that were born to eve. satan cant father a child. anything speaking about the children of satan is speaking from a spiritual stand point and not a physical one. enough said on this matter.

watchman_2

04-06-2006, 06:04 PM

There are no flaws in the Serpent Seed Doctrine -- Cain is not the offspring of Adam. See Gen. 5.

See also the Doctrines/Beliefs - Doctrines/Proofs - Serpent Seed thread on Factnet.

godchild

04-06-2006, 07:38 PM

Genesis 5:1-32 This chapter abbreviates the family history that connects Adam to Noah. We do not know how much time the chapter represents; its purpose is connection rather than chronology.

The word 'geneology' (or family histories) is found in 10 significant passages in the Book of Genesis. See Gen. 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the earth had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. vs.7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.

The term is a major building block of the Book of Genesis. In the day means "when." likeness of God: What God made humankind to be (1:26-28) continues after the fall (chapter 3; compare also 9:6, after the flood.

watchman_2

04-06-2006, 08:36 PM

godchild,

You are getting better. You almost stayed on point. Gen. 5 is entitled the GENERATIONS OF ADAM.

We know from Gen. 4:17-25, Cain had offspring. Hence, if Cain was a GENERATION OF ADAM, Cain would have been listed in Gen. 5. Since Cain was not listed, the ONLY CONCLUSION that the scriptures supports is that Cain is not Adam's son.

That leaves only Satan to have sired Cain.

abiyah

04-06-2006, 08:50 PM

Aaron WROTE:
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QUOTE " satan cant father a child. " END QUOTE
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Afternoon to you Aaron !

Please explain THESE verses then; and Thank you ! : )

Matthew 13:38 - 39
" The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; BUT THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE; [Who is the wicked one ?] THE ENEMY THAT SOWED THEM IS THE DEVIL [ did that say The Devil sowed CHILDREN/PEOPLE ?; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. " 

I John 3:12
" NOT AS CAIN, WHO WAS OF THAT WICKED ONE [ Did we not just read that The Devil is The Wicked One ? ], and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. "

Revelation 12:9
" And the great dragon was cast out, THAT OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL, AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. "

Abiyah

terluvire

04-06-2006, 10:02 PM

Good Day Abiyah!

Ah.... very good verses you have shown there!

AND there are also these verses, which do show that even man, himself, wanted to have sexual relations with angels:

Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
The men of that city wanted to "know" these angels. I'm sure everyone knows what that verse is talking about. They wanted to know the angels in a sexual way.

Gen 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
Gen 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
Lot knew what the men of the city wanted, and that was to have sexual relations with the angels. That is why Lot was trying to offer his daughters instead.

Gen 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
These men were truly wicked! They wanted the angels so bad that they were trying to break down Lot's door.

Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
Gen 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
Even while blind, these men STILL tried to find Lot's door, to get to the men. They truly were wicked.

These verses also prove that sexual relations with angels is possible and that people did indeed lust after these angels. If sexual relations are not possible with angels...they wouldn't have lusted after them.

Yes, angels indeed can have sexual relations with humans. AND Yes, satan is the father of Cain. Abiyah provided very good verses, which were spoken by Jesus Himself.

terluvire

arron

04-06-2006, 11:34 PM

none of those verses teach that filthy doctrine. sowing seeds does not of necessity mean haveing sex.

godchild

04-06-2006, 11:56 PM

I would be more concerned about those Jesus said (the goats) who would go with satan to eternal damnation. This is not talking of some imagined half-serpent (symbolic of satan), half-man. We already know what happens to those who follow after satan. Why would anyone suggest they can be saved, and will therefore enter the gate, when Jesus' words clearly say, they will go with satan and his fallen angels to hell? Salvation is for men, not animals or even angels. They made their decision long ago. Angels do not seek salvation. The evil angels will be judged by those who follow Christ, and their fate and satan's was decided by God long ago at a time we can not say. (But we don't need to).

Anyone who follows after satan is called a child of satan. This is not literal anymore than believing that Jesus Christ is our literal Father, being God. Jesus said I will gather them like a chicken with her chicks, a feminine role. God is Spirit, Jesus being God is Spirit, and became man in order to become the sacrifice for our sins. We all will suffer death because of Adam's sin in the garden (his disobedience to God). The wages of sin is death. This death would have been eternal if God had not become man to sacrifice Himself for us. People have an idea (because of fairy tales) of God being like a man. He is not and the Bible does not say so. It says we are in the likeness of Him, His personality, (feelings, desires). The Old Testament isn't different from the New or even today. God is the same today, yesterday, forever. We cannot understand everything about God, but we don't need to. Even a child can understand what He wants them to, the same for those who are limited by our standards mentally. We have a heart and a soul. God does His works in us; heart, mind and soul. Size, time and shapes are not what God really cares about. He can create anything, large or small.
When God molded man from clay and took his rib to make Eve, they became One but that did not make Adam Eve, nor Eve Adam. When I married my husband and took his name, this did not mean I became him, nor he me.

godchild

04-07-2006, 01:03 AM

The Holy Bible does not teach a 'serpent seed doctrine'. It has not and cannot be proven. I have found an online dictionary; this is more than a single dictionary. It searches at least 32 other libraries for answers to questions. So I punched in 'serpent seed doctrine'. There was (1)one dictionary with a definition, and that is wikipedia, which we know any person can place their definition in for anything.

Look at the word Cain. I punched that in. There were 32 definitions of Cain from 32 dictionaries. Not one says that Cain was the son of satan. Two of these are from the Strong's dictionary and the Easton's Bible. In all the Bible translations, all of the lexicons, all of the dictionaries, there is one mention of the serpent seed doctrine. 32 to 1 are pretty good odds that if this was important there would be a lot more Bible translations, concordances, lexicons, study aids, etc, than ONE. This certainly is enough for me. My Bible doesn't teach it, in fact none of the Bible's I own teach it. The online bullinger bible does. I will take my chances with authors who have no agenda behind their works, not one man who seems (and I am going to see if I can find his biography) to have strayed from the teachings of even his father who was famous amongst the reformers (like Martin Luther). What was it that led this man away from God's Word to make him want to write his own. I'd like to suggest that because he was British and loved all things British, he desparately wanted his blood to be the blood of the saints in the Old Testament, and along with others who were writing about these things contrary to the Holy Bible, (Jesus' lineage linked to the white man, etc.) combined those teachings to make another bible. (Bullinger was much more well known than murray or his associates, so I don't think it will be able to kind more about this man.)

ezekiel_37

04-07-2006, 03:18 AM

godchild....

may I ask yoou a question...in all fairness...

do you think that the scriptures that TER... just posted from God's Word are true?

They are from any translation of the Bible...

the story of Lot and the angels.

Did the angels possess a sexuality that caused lust?

yes or no?

ezekiel_37

04-07-2006, 03:19 AM

meaning that TER... quoted from the KJV but the basic story line can be understood in any translation!

yes or no?

danispeachy

04-07-2006, 03:52 AM

Gen 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded17 the man, saying,2 Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely2 eat:4

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat4 of it: for in the day that thou eatest2 thereof thou shalt surely2 die.4

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said,1 Ye shall not eat4 of it, neither shall ye touch4 it, lest ye die.4

Funny how Eve lied… she said, God said not to touch. No he didn’t, I wonder what she didn’t want to touch…

abiyah

04-07-2006, 12:56 PM

Aaron WROTE:
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QUOTE : " none of those verses teach that filthy doctrine. sowing seeds does not of necessity mean haveing sex. " END QUOTE
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Good Morning There Aaron !

And thank you for explaining those verses in which I had quoted; Now what about these ? Any insight would be grrreeeeat ! : )

Genesis 3:14
" And the LORD God said unto the serpent, BECAUSE THOU HAST DONE THIS [ Done what ? beguiled meaning complete seduced Eve for one.... II Corinthians 11:2-3 ], thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:15 ** The LORD is still speaking to Satan which IS that old serpent.

" And I will put ENMITY BETWEEN THEE [ the serpent, which is the devil & satan ] AND THE WOMAN [ Eve ], and BETWEEN THY SEED [ Your seed/children ] and HER SEED [ Eve's children from Adam's seed ]; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel. "

** It is satan's seed/children that shouted out " LET HIM BE CRUCIFIED ! " And Christ's heel was bruised when they allows Him to be nailed to that cross ! "

SEED = In the Hebrew here is Zera =
) seed, sowing, OFFSPRING
a) a sowing

b) seed

c) SEMEN VIRILE

d) OFFSPRING, DESCENDANTS, POSTERITY, CHILDREN

**** QUESTION CONTINUED BELOW

abiyah

04-07-2006, 02:39 PM

**** QUESTION CONTINUED FRM THE ABOVE POST : )

Geneses 3:16
" Unto the woman [ Eve ] He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and THY CONCEPTION;in sorrow thou shalt bring forth CHILDREN; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. "

Did that say "conception"... ? How does a women CONCEIVE a child ?

Conception = In the hebrew is Heron and/or herayon and it means
1. physical conception, PREGNANCY, conception

Matthew 13:38
" The field is the world; the good SEED are the children of the kingdom; BUT THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE. "

Seed = In the greek this word is sperma and the meaning thereof is

2) the semen virile

2a) the product of this semen, seed, CHILDREN, OFFSPRING, PROGENY

2b) family, tribe, posterity

Christ goes onto to say in Matthew 13:39, that the ENEMY that sowed "them".. them being the bad children or offspring, the tares... IS the devil. WHERE did God's enemy that being the devil, 'sow' a child ? Well According to Genesis 3:15..... the devil sowed 'seed', a 'child' in The Garden of Eden; Now do you remember how Paul stated in II Corinthians 11:2-3.... that, I want to present you as a chaste "VIRGIN", and NOT as Eve WHO WAS BEGUILED = meaning "wholly" "seduced" by the serpent ? Then can you Aaron, with all this which I have brought forth form God's Word, these are not my own words, but they are God's.... please then explain all of these verses for me in detail... please.

Abiyah

david_munson

04-18-2006, 08:21 PM

2Co*11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The serpent beguiled eve through his subtilty.Then it mentions your mind being corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
what's the correct textual correlation?

Eve was deceived in her mind not raped by Satan.
The children of the devil are those who refuse Christ's sacrifice,not his offspring physically.

How do you know you are not Satan's' descendants,since you think he had physical children?How would you know?
After all,he uses the word also.

(this is not an accusation,just a point that needs to be made)

You've mixed a lot of things together without proper context to bolster an arguement that is baseless and fanciful.

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watchman_2

04-19-2006, 02:09 AM

Eve gave it up willingly [Gen. 3:6] -- she wasn't raped.

The word 'beguiled' has one meaning, 'wholly seduced', according to the Strong's Concordance. One cannot be wholly seduced unless one has sex [otherwise it would be partially seduced].

ezekiel_37

04-19-2006, 04:29 AM

not only that watchman but I would add that the following verses all have to do with pregnancy and twin of different natures and family lineage...all which support the Serpent Seed.

david_munson

04-19-2006, 06:16 PM

It's all fantasy and fanciful manipulation of context and truth.
Not one place does it say that Eve had sex with Satan.
In order to arrive at that "opinion" one has to do a lot of twisting and misinterpreting.

Nothing supports "serpent seed," nothing.
You will find that reputable scolars who spend years in study will not agree with such unsubstantiated,may I use the word,malarky.?

I don't buy into it because it makes no scriptural sense at all.

If it where true it would state so in an unmistakable way.It does not and it's a fabrication of a mind that does not understand scripture.

Are we next going to say that Jesus was married just because there are those (in the minority) that say it?
Or that Jesus was homosexual because of the disciple that Jesus Loved?

There are those that think that way.
Does that make them right?
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david_munson

04-19-2006, 06:22 PM

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A primitive root; to lead astray, that is, (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce: - beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.
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Mentally or morally.It can mean either and is not limited to both.
Context,context,context.

Open the box,the view is wonderful.
LOL.
Jesus is Lord
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watchman_2

04-19-2006, 10:37 PM

David,

Then how did Eve get pregnant [Gen. 3:15-16] before Adam 'knew' her [Gen. 4:1]?? How do you support your conclusion considering this fact??

terluvire

04-20-2006, 04:11 AM

David,

How would you explain these verses then?:

2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

"beguiled" in the Greek is:
G1818
exapatao
ex-ap-at-ah'-o
From G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly: - beguile, deceive.

And if you may:

1.)please show in scripture where the races came from.

2.)Also, with scripture, provide information on who were those who Cain was afraid of when he said this:

Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

3.)Provide with scripture, How did Cain find a wife?

4.)With scripture, why is Cain not listed in Adam's geneology?

5.)How did Eve become pregnant before Adam "knew" her? Please use scripture

Thanks in advance!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

ezekiel_37

04-20-2006, 10:47 AM

many events in the bible have both physical beginnings and spiritual meanings for us today....

the bible is full of examples for us.

we are to take some of those examples and relate them to our days...especially living in the last generation.

When someone claims that the devils seed is spiritual...this is only half true....

the example to us may be that there are spiritualy dead people here and even those who are in league with satan and even those who reject Christ are the offspring of the devil, spiritually.

possible...but the reality is that all the stories involving the Kenites have to do with desception and sneakyness....

they were real and physical then and are an example to us now....did their lineage die out...?
the bible says that they will be arond until the end!

are they physical today....I believe so because of the prophecy's about them that have yet to be filled.

are their spiritual seed's of satan here now...yeppers....look around...but the physical is here too and they are described as a physical people of a certain nation. Not by heritage but by trickory and lies.

arron

04-20-2006, 02:01 PM

there is no mention of eve bering pregnant before genesis 4:1 that is when eve got pregnant with cain then with able. no other time prior to this was eve pregnant
do not try to read something into a verse that is not there. and none of that lie thate eve was pregnant by the serpent is in ther at all it is a hellish doctrine taught by those who listen and believe that lie that cant be proved.

ezekiel_37

04-21-2006, 12:31 AM

arron...wrote

there is no mention of eve bering pregnant before genesis 4:1 that is when eve got pregnant with cain then with able. no other time prior to this was eve pregnant

watchamn has already explained and shown the truth that Eve was indeed PREGNANT before ADAM 'knew' her...explain that arron please!

arron

04-21-2006, 12:46 AM

no you explain where it says exactly that eve is pregnant before gen 4:1. now dont use interpertation of some unknown idea that some man ( or woman) dreamed up. i want the verse that say.. eve was pregnant by a snake before gen 4:1 and dont say she wasnt pregnant by a snake but by a serpent they both mean the same thing and show me where it says eve was pregnant by a serpent before gen 4:1. watchman has explained nothing as i dont believe that isane inane garbage that either one of you put out.

watchman_2

04-21-2006, 04:23 AM

arron,

The snake did not make Eve pregnant -- Satan did. See Gen. 3:15-16.

I guess that you do not believe the Bible -- do you?? You prefer the traditions of man instead.

ezekiel_37

04-21-2006, 08:56 AM

the snake and the serpent and satan and the devil are all the same entity.....Lucifer......

snake or serpent are used because of the shinny skin, brillian coloured, which is the root of the word.

....watchman explained in detail....

....to know .......

look it up and realize the implication.

then follow the story and see if it bears fruit! (lol)

Peace
c

arron

04-21-2006, 12:20 PM

no one has explained to me whwere it says eve was pregnant by the snake

david_munson

04-21-2006, 04:42 PM

No one can without adding to or twisting around the meaning of the Word of God.

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arron

04-21-2006, 07:40 PM

amen

watchman_2

04-21-2006, 10:09 PM

arron,

no one is claiming a snake was in the Garden of Eden -- Satan was there.

Obviously, a snake and a human cannot mate.

godchild

04-22-2006, 02:03 PM

Arron, they go from preaching a 'serpent-seed doctrine' then begin to mock those who question it, not just because we know the serpent was a metaphor for satan (the devil) but more importantly that satan didn't have sex with Adam and Eve, nor that satan impregnated Eve. Let them live with their fallicy. It is they who named it 'SERPENT seed' not Christians. They could have named it 'satan-seed' or 'devil-seed' but they didn't, so they have to explain it, not us. They have nothing left to argue with, so they must divert attention by saying we do not understand who satan is. Pretty stupid of them, isn't it? And yes, the word is stupid! I say it because they have been shown the truth but refuse to accept it. Don't let them drag you into their 'stupidity'. They bought it, they can keep it.

franklin

04-22-2006, 04:05 PM

Watchman, ezekiel, telurive and the rest of the am clones:

May all your sons and daughters all marry Kenites!

May all of your grandchildren be of good racially pure Kenite stock!

May your whole family tree be blossoming with Kenite dna.

May your bloodline, your descendants all be Kenites!

Have a nice day! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

terluvire

04-22-2006, 04:32 PM

Well good day there Franklin!!

Hey you know what, even if my family were of Kenites, that's ok... for we love the Lord! Yes Franklin, even a Kenite is able to obtain salvation, just like everyone else. Isn't God wonderful in that He offers salvation to everyone!!!

franklin

04-22-2006, 04:53 PM

Yes, it is wonderful. Except there ain't no such thing as Kenites! We are all descended from Adam We are all descended from Noah. Period!

terluvire

04-22-2006, 05:36 PM

Franklin said
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Except there ain't no such thing as Kenites!
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1. Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
2. Num 24:21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.
3. 1Ch 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Those are just a few verses but there are many more. Franklin, who are the Kenites which are written of in the bible?

watchman_2

04-22-2006, 06:28 PM

Obviously, franklin [godchild-lite] is having difficulty understanding the Bible. There are many references to Kenites in the Old Testament. I guess that he made the statement because godchild is his teacher.

Oh yes! I am sure that franklin can provide us with many examples how two pure-blooded white people have given birth to Chinese, Lost-Chinese, Black, Indian, Hispanic, and any other race of people. Likewise, pure bloods of these races give birth to children of other races as well.

He expects people to believe that! WHAT A JOKE! And, he is concerned with SC being a cult. Ha! Ha!

terluvire

04-22-2006, 09:42 PM

Good evening Watchman!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I really enjoyed reading your post..lol, especially this part:
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Oh yes! I am sure that franklin can provide us with many examples how two pure-blooded white people have given birth to Chinese, Lost-Chinese, Black, Indian, Hispanic, and any other race of people. Likewise, pure bloods of these races give birth to children of other races as well.
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I would like for Franklin to explain that also. And Franklin, please use scripture while explaining. Thanks!!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

franklin

04-22-2006, 10:25 PM

There is no scripture for that. And you know it. But how do we know that Adam was white? We do not. The original man had dna which is in all races. So like the breeding of animals, mans' genes, dna and color composition became more diversified. A half white and half black child's descendants can either become almost all white or almost all black depending on the composition of further race mixing.

It's a science that animal breeders are aware of. Just takes a certain number of generations to achieve what you want. There was only one breed of dog originally. Now there are hundreds. All mongrel dogs the world over look pretty much the same. That's close to the original breed of dog.

It's the same for human beings. Why we have 3 races, mixtures of those races and ethnic groups within each. So that theory of yours doesn't hold water. Your am bucket's got another hole in it. It's leaking bad. Hope you're wearing your waders.

watchman_2

04-22-2006, 10:26 PM

Of course, Kenites existed after Noah's flood as the Bible plainly states, yet Kenites, by definition, are the sons of Cain and couldn't possibly be of the lineage of Noah. Yet, franklin still claims all came from Noah.

Franklin, you have quite a bit of explaining to do to rationalize your claim.

arron

04-22-2006, 10:26 PM

watchman... no the snake ...nor SATAN did not make eve pregnant.. you cant prove that doctrine of serpent seed.
you were right in that the snake did not make eve pregnant and since the serpent WAS a snake, neither did satan. only humans can make a human pregnant.

watchman_2

04-22-2006, 10:30 PM

arron,

Then how did Eve get pregnant by Gen. 3:15-16? Since this is a fact, it is you, by default, that claims that Eve had sex with a snake -- not me. Ha! Ha!

terluvire

04-23-2006, 02:17 AM

Arron, what did God mean when He said this?:

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

What was God talking about?

Franklin, you're theory is laughable...lol Back it up with scientific data. Show how 2 pure bred people can produce a child of a different race without any mixing in the family history.

arron

04-23-2006, 02:22 AM

you know watchman... and ezekiel... i used to enjoy writting to both of you, but now you both and especially you watchman have gotten so caught up in this doctrine you are in that it is not enjoyable anymore it is too false to even think about. you seem to think that you know it all about this extra bible stuff saying that the bible says what it doesnt say because of some word that you say means something other than what it really does mean and by saying that people said thing they did not say. no where have i ever said that eve got pregnant by the snake or by satan unless i was saying what you had already said and i was comment ing on that.

arron

04-23-2006, 02:25 AM

and .. by default....no no no i never did say eve had sex with the serpent snake satan. she got pregnant by ADAM

arron

04-23-2006, 02:28 AM

GOD was speaking to satan who was in the serpent. the fruit that eve and adam ate was fruit from a tree not sex. no one who is normal eats sex maybe a pervert does but eve nor adam didnt. and you terlu are worse than both zeke and watchman. you claim a lot of knowledge but i have yet to see it.

(Message edited by arron on April 22, 2006)

terluvire

04-23-2006, 03:46 AM

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and you terlu are worse than both zeke and watchman. you claim a lot of knowledge but i have yet to see it.

Well Hello Arron. I am rather surprised by your statement here. I have been nothing but respectful with you. I actually like you.

Please show me where I ever said or claimed to have alot of knowledge. I have never never stated such a thing!

I am farrrrr from having alot of knowledge of God's word. I am just a student like the rest of us. If the truth be told, many here from SC have way more knowledge than myself. And any knowledge we do have comes from Almighty God himself. Without him, we would know nothing, (this includes you also) All wisdom comes from God, so no one can take credit for the understanding they have concerning our Fathers word.

I might not add alot of personal dialogue in my posts, but that's because I try to keep the focus on God's word and not myself. If that comes across as me being more knowledgable, I most certainly do apologize, that is not my intent. I truly am trying to keep it on God's word, for I do love discussing His Word!

Agape

watchman_2

04-23-2006, 01:58 PM

arron,

I plead guilty to being affixed on the truth of God's Word. The Serpent Seed Doctrine is the TRUTH! I am sorry that you are affixed on the traditions of mankind and refuse to think for yourself.

This website is designed to help you, and those like you, that are caught up in cults and are brainwashed with false theology. We know from Rev. 2 and 3 that false theology pervades what many refer to as mainstream Christianity.

As long as you keep posting here, many will be presenting the truth to you. You are one of God's creations and God loves you. It is God's will that all come to repentance -- including you. My hope for you is that you decide to think for yourself someday.

In the meantime, it may appear that we are belligerents-- but, we are not. I am only making fun of you for your own benefit. Maybe, thru satire, I might get you to see the ridiculousness of your theological positions.

watchman_2

04-23-2006, 02:03 PM

arron,

In the English language, we talk of sex in terms of food. Check out the Strong's Concordance on the words 'eat' and 'fruit' in Gen. 3:6. Both words are equally interpreted figuaratively as literally.

So, it is appropriate to interpret 'eating fruit' as sex.

networker

05-18-2006, 07:54 AM

aarron, franklin, david_munson,
godschild(small g)

After reading the different posts from you four, it brought a verse to mind, which I pasted below. Unfortunately, you four were never weaned off of baby formula, and still understand as a child. I too was taught similar traditions of men since childhood, but I put away childish things after I started listening to Pastor Murray. Things finally started making sense and I haven't looked back since. If you don't believe the serpent seed teaching after all of the proof listed by ezekial_37, watchman_2, teluvire, and abiyah straight from God's word, it wasn't meant to be.

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

terluvire

05-21-2006, 12:01 AM

Welcome Networker!!

Glad to have you here.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I never looked back either after searching years for answers!!

I really like my meat too...I don't want to go back on the baby bottle.lol

godchild

05-21-2006, 01:11 AM

watchman, maybe you refer to having sex to eating food. I don't. Where do you get these hair-brained ideas. Oh, I get it after reading terlu's post. You refer to women as a piece of meat. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

05-21-2006, 01:14 AM

Sorry, most mature women don't think of themselves in this way. To each his own.....

watchman_2

05-21-2006, 02:58 AM

godchild,

You know full well that the words 'eat' and 'fruit' are equally appropriately interpreted figuratively as well as literally. This was all explained to you at Dotrines/Beliefs - Doctrines/Proofs - Serpent Seed thread.

We speak of sex in terms of food in English -- it is not hard to understand that other languages do likewise.

arron

05-21-2006, 03:44 AM

i never said to my wife when i wanted sex, lets eat. if i had she would have prepared me a good supper or dinner or linch. it would not have been sex. she never said to me when she wanted sex come here and eat

watchman_2

05-21-2006, 03:37 PM

arron,

They have these really neat devices out there, which allow you to actually watch live events from other parts of the world, fictional shows, and how other people talk about the opposite sex. It is called a television.

arron

05-21-2006, 05:13 PM

i dont do and never have what thye do on tv. i already know what sex is and what food is you eat one and enjoy the other.

watchman_2

05-21-2006, 06:24 PM

Can't help you with colloquialisms/slang without getting graphic. I'll try to leave it P.G. material.

"She is delicious." "She looks delectable."

"I ate it."

arron

05-21-2006, 11:43 PM

you sound like some pervert/ my sex life was kept private betwen me and my wife. we dodnt use words like that. we are both saved

watchman_2

05-22-2006, 02:30 AM

I never said that I use those words -- just heard of those terms by others.

arron

05-27-2006, 02:42 AM

you were the one who told me to use the devices and it was you that said she looks delicious..

ezekiel_37

05-27-2006, 02:51 AM

stop arron

watchman_2

05-27-2006, 02:53 AM

People sometimes refer to the opposite sex in a sexual manner with food-like terms. Get off your lazy duff and check out the words in Hebrew.

bear

05-27-2006, 02:55 AM

You know, my wife is delicious, and I have 4 children to prove it.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

I am woundering about the history of this whole thing?

If we look at the Song of Solomon, it is filled with words like the ones being discussed. Maybe not delicious, but the same.

The SoS is first an actual love letter, not a writing to show the inter-relationship between Christ and the church by way of a mystical meaning. That is an application only.

Did you know that Jewish men in antiquity were not permmittd to read the book until they were 30 years old? Why? it is very sexually graphic!

If you a blushing, and thinking "He said the S word!", well get over it! God created sex to be used in a pure way, and besides, we are all here because our parents had sex! Moving on...

Does this same language also apply in Genesis? Well, that is the debate, eh!?

arron

05-27-2006, 06:32 PM

oh yes zek it should be stopped but tell that to your buddy watchman who started useing the words and things to begin with. i guess though you are as bad as he is
ALL GLORY TO THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST, THESE THREE ARE ONE

claire_messenger

05-27-2006, 08:19 PM

Please don't talk like this here because there are some lonely women here waiting for their God ordained husbands to wisk them away and ride into the sunset with them and ya ain't helping the situation. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

arron

05-27-2006, 08:39 PM

good post claire messenger,
i am waiting for THE LORD TO RETURN AND WISK ME AWAY TO BE WITH HIM AND WITH MY DARLING WIFE. see you in the rapture( i pray you are ready)

ezekiel_37

05-28-2006, 01:48 AM

yep, I pray we are all ready for the gathering which happens at the 7th trump and not before.

To believe otherwise is setting yourself up for a whole lotta pain and anguish, even if you do believe in Christ.

Guess what, Satan believes in Christ too! He just doesn't wanna believe that Christ is the only one worth Worship, and anyone who believes in the Gathering before the 7th trump, will be fooled by his lies.

claire_messenger

05-28-2006, 02:31 AM

Have my oil and I am ready. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

wayfaring_stranger

05-28-2006, 03:51 AM

Hey arron,

Read your post and have some lyrics that I thought you might like. I initially liked the song because it fit my voice real good but then I started looking at the lyrics. Now, I don't suspect the lyrics were originally intended to fit what you are describing above but ya never know and they do kinda fit. Enjoy!

She Moved Thru' The Fair

My young love said to me
My mother won't mind
And my father won't slight you
For your lack of kind.

And she stepped away from me
And this she did say
"Oh, it will not be long love
'Til our wedding day".

She stepped away from me
And she moved through the fair
And fondly I watched her
Move here and move there.

And she made her way onward
With one star awake
As the swan in the evening
Moves over the lake.

Last night she came to me
She came softly in
So softly she came
Her feet made no din.

And she laid her hand on me
And this she did say
"It will not be long love
'Til our wedding day".

Ya know Christ is always there but we still have to come to Him or better put - believe in Him.

I just like the picture it paints. Maybe it's not an exact picture but it did get my attention.

I understand the rapture thing but I haven't a clue what the catching up actually refers to. I can speculate but that's it. But I do know that many believe that the New Jerusalem represents the bride of Christ. And if that is the case it is a nice picture. Again, just speculating. But I like word pictures.

Rev 21:2 And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband.

wayfaring_stranger

05-28-2006, 03:58 AM

Dang better (from a spiritual standpoint anyway) than the long time Copland/Emily Dickinson song that I sang at my senior recital that I thought fit my voice real well - it does but the above fits better.

Heart, we will forget him,
You and I, tonight!
You must forget the warmth he gave,
I will forget the light.

When you have done pray tell me,
Then I, my thoughts, will dim.
Haste! ‘lest while you’re lagging
I may remember him!

smyrna

06-07-2006, 09:32 PM

Folks,

Those of you are tired of the ridiculous posts authored by llm, Franklin, Godchild, Arron, and Munsun, should follow my lead, and instead of engaging them, just use the acronym:

WOTNWR

"WASTE OF TIME, NOT WORTH REBUTTAL"

Because we know that it isn't worth it. Not with those people, for reasons that are quite evident, at least those individuals who will take their time to read these discussion boards.

Doing this will free up your time to engage in sensible discussions with more reasonable people.

Reasonable does not mean they must agree with you, but that they will at least be able to comprehend and follow a discussion, without totally screwing it up, like our panel of circus clowns have been able to consistently accomplish, and exhibit.