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damon

06-26-2006, 06:59 AM

http://www.thercg.org/questions/p067.a.html

Q: What is the meaning of "the synagogue of Satan," mentioned in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9?

A: The word "synagogue" is based on the Greek word sunagoge (assembly or church). The "synagogue of Satan" is an assembly or church comprised of people who "say they are Jews, and are not." In this context, the usage of the term "Jews" is in a spiritual connotation. As the Apostle Paul stated, in Romans 2:29, "…he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter…" Therefore, it is not our racial heritage that matters, but rather our spiritual standing, as Galatians 3:27-29 shows: "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Upon conversion, true Christians become spiritual Jews. In John 4:22, Christ stated, "Salvation is of the Jews."

Those who are part of the "synagogue of Satan" claim to be spiritual Jews. In other words, they pose as true Christians. The development of this false church was already well underway in the Apostle John's time. Passing itself off as God's true Church, it had congregations in the Asia Minor cities of Smyrna and Philadelphia, even then. Revelation 17 further describes it and the churches that spawned from it.

Related literature:
• The History of God's TRUE CHURCH http://www.thercg.org/booklets.html#scv

SC/AM and his followers are part of the SOS.

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I requested historical proof that the doctrines SC/AM teaches has a verifiable history. God says he would establish his church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

I was not given any names of anyone who has ever taught such things. Why is that?

damon

06-26-2006, 07:18 AM

1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,

Please note that in LATER TIMES people will fall for doctrines of demons. This should be understood to mean that only in later times will doctrines of demons take a foothold.

This is distinct from SC/AM teachings, who claims that the majority of christianity has surcumb to the 'traditions of men". AM thinks he is restoring the church, LOL
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

ezekiel_37

06-26-2006, 08:07 AM

Sounds like Timothy is teaching us of that thing called tongues and rapture "fly away" churches....you know traditions of men.

in His service
c

damon

06-26-2006, 08:27 AM

The rapture doctrine has a documented history of being taught in the church from the "early days" of the church, unlike many of the SC doctrines.

Tounges where a real gift given in "early days" or the 'very beggining" of the church. It is debatable if tounges are still in use.

It is not debatable that SC doctrines are correct and true until you show proof that they have existed from the beggining of the church. SC/AM's doctrines are of Satan.

watchman_2

06-26-2006, 01:19 PM

The rapture theory [doctrine of antichrist] has a long history of being something that God is against. See Eze. 13:18-23.

watchman_2

06-26-2006, 02:30 PM

damon,

I do not consider your answer to the question regarding the 'synagogue of Satan' to be correct.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

A review of the definition of the word 'synagogue' from Strong's Concordance reveals:

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From (the reduplicated form of) G4863; an assemblage of persons; specifically a Jewish “synagogue” (the meeting or the place); by analogy a Christian church: - assembly, congregation, synagogue.

So, the general definition, as stated in Strong's, is 'an assemblage of persons'. Since Jews worship God and Christians believe that Christ is the only begotten son of God, the more specific definitions do not apply.

Accordingly, the 'synagogue of Satan' means Satan's assemblage of people or, more succinctly, 'Satan's people'.

These people are identified in the same scripture as 'them which say they are Jews, and are not'.

Well, who claimed that they were Jews, and are not? That was answered by Christ in John 8:39-44. Christ clearly specifies these people as the offspring of Satan.

Well, who comprise the offspring of Satan? Answer, none other than the Kenites.

So, the teaching of Rev. 2 and 3 that separates the churches that meet with Christ's favor from those that do not is that of the Kenites.

angie0401

06-26-2006, 04:45 PM

Whaddyaknow damon, we actually almost agree on something. I see the link you posted is from the Restored Church of God and I think a lot of Herbert Armstrong. You know he also taught the lost 10 tribes, that we are Israel, the health laws are still valid, the "tongues" are practiced by most Pentecostal churches are not Biblical, there will be no secret rapture and many other things that SC teaches.
Are you a member of the RCG damon?

Thanks for the link, damon, I didn't know about this website. I liked this article:

History of the Rapture Theory

While many may believe that the rapture theory has always been a teaching in the Christian faith, they will be surprised to find this is simply not true. This idea came into existence much more recently than most admit. It was unknown to the world before the sixteenth century.

http://www.thercg.org/books/gpp.html

and this one too:

As the master counterfeiter, Satan can counterfeit the true biblical gift of tongues with the gibberish so familiar to Pentecostal services and “tarry meetings.” Unknown (unintelligible to humans) tongues are, in fact, languages spoken by demons—fallen angels.

That is serious! When God gives the gift of tongues, it is a known foreign language, explained by an interpreter, not an unknown (unintelligible) language (gibberish). Notice that the word “unknown” is found in italics throughout I Corinthians 12. This is because translators added it—incorrectly. It is not in the original Greek text.
http://www.thercg.org/books/ut.html

godchild

06-26-2006, 05:32 PM

damon, I found the link to be very informative for a different reason. While much of am's teachings follow armstrong's, and I disagree with them, he was correct in stating "In this context, the usage o the term "Jews" is in a spiritual connotation. As the Apostle Paul stated, in Romans 2:29, "…he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter…" Therefore, it is not our racial heritage that matters, but rather our spiritual standing, as Galatians 3:27-29 shows: "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Upon conversion, true Christians become spiritual Jews. In John 4:22, Christ stated, "Salvation is of the Jews."

am teaches a physical, (according to who your parents are), decisive factor in your salvation, just as he teaches these folks 'they alone are the elect', and even that some (zeke said) are a highter elect. You will notice they glossed right over that portion of your message. If they would do a study on the serpent seed doctrine, they would learn that it was a pentacostal teaching (and may still be in some of their churches) also.

By doing this, am and his followers place a 'mark' on some Jews who belong to the family named Kenites (having nothing to do with Cain, anymore than Tubalcain does) even before their birth. This is just as rascist as those who say being born with dark skin makes you inferior to those with a fair skin. If their thinking were true, my being born to parents from Oklahoma would make me a 'dumb okie' in some peoples eyes (that is, by the way, also where am was born), and I can assure you I am not, and neither were my parents.

If they want to base the beliefs of a denomination by their name, let me inform you that some Baptist churches practice 'speaking in tongues'. I have personally witnessed this in a Baptist Church when I was a child. A new pastor's wife began having what I thought of as a 'fit' (not having seen this before) during a service. The members (myself included) sat in stunned silence at this display.

It is not one doctrine that is a deciding factor in whether someone or some group has 'satan's teachings, but their 'overall' beliefs. In other words, in listening and reading am, he has quoted scripture 'as it is written' but the problem comes in when he expounds or adds to them. This is a devise of any false prophet. Just as the Pharisees added to the Mosaic law, which Jesus hated (not that they were half-devil, half human at birth).

godchild

06-26-2006, 05:55 PM

Of course there is a danger that there are 'false tongues'. People can fake just about anything, if they have a willing watcher or listener. This is a real danger in accepting the words of men. It is so easy to fake it. Take am for example. Anyone can read the Bible (if they know how to read). We should read ourselves and allow the Holy Spirit to give us discernment (interpretation). So what is the power his followers have given him. It is not his loving kindness, he yells (not simply raising the volume for those hard of hearing) a lot (at least to those who don't agree with him. It's a "I will love you if you believe me" attitude.
He certainly does not do charitable works in God's behalf, even for his 'flock'. I've never heard one of these folks saying he sent them a check when they couldn't pay their rent. It is THEY who have placed him on a pedestal. This is idolatry. Christians are not to idolize the apostles, John the baptist, or even angels, who are simply God's chosen messengers. Does am say "love those who spitefully abuse us"? No, he calls them ignorant and kenites if they disagree, words his 'flock' have adopted for themselves, as you can see here. If one wants to speak of 'real danger' he and his 'flock' are a prime example, no different from Hinn, Swaggert, Baker, and any other of a huge number of false prophets. Of course am doesn't have to call himself a prophet. His 'flock' does that for him. Note them speaking of his 'new revelations', adoring him still when those 'new revelations turn out to be false, cause it didn't happen. Don't believe for a minute that am isn't a business. See Shepherd's Chapel, INC. (a non-profit org. for tax purposes). He's no better than the rest of them.

angie0401

06-26-2006, 06:13 PM

So Vivian, you don't listen to ANY preachers/teachers except what the Holy Spirit reveals to you?

How about the Church of God and the SDA?

You can't decide who or what you believe, can you? You don't want to disagree with arron over tongues, but you turn around and claim that the Serpent Seed doctrine is from the Pentecostal churches of which he is a member.

Why are you so worried about us that study with Pastor Murray? I've yet to figure that one out.

By the way - how much of a salary has Pastor Murray collected from Shepherd's Chapel?

godchild

06-26-2006, 07:09 PM

I'd say a private jet constitutes a pretty good income.

Listening and following have two dinstinct differing meanings.

I hate rascism in any form, which I have stated before and will state again everytime someone asks. I don't worry about those who study with am, at least the ones who study here. Even after seeing the truth from God's Word, it is ignored by them. I do have a concern, however, for those who will only see the 'outer covering' of am/sc and become involved because of that, before seeing all the dangers in following their other doctrines.

Read my post again. I did not say the serpent seed doctrine STARTED with the pentecostal church. It didn't START with am either. I did not even say they all believe it. Please try to read with comprehension, even if it takes reading the posts more than once. You have seen, I am pretty sure, where arron and his church, do not believe everything that 'oneness pentecostal' teaches either. Don't just pick out of people's posts what 'flips your trigger'. Read all of it. It would be so helpful to you all.

godchild

06-26-2006, 07:11 PM

I'd say a private jet constitutes a pretty good income.

Listening and following have two dinstinct differing meanings.

I hate rascism in any form, which I have stated before and will state again everytime someone asks. I hate what God hates. I don't worry about those who study with am, at least the ones who study here. Even after seeing the truth from God's Word, it is ignored by them. I do have a concern, however, for those who will only see the 'outer covering' of am/sc and become involved because of that, before seeing all the dangers in following their insidious/evil doctrines.

Read my post again. I did not say the serpent seed doctrine STARTED with the pentecostal church. It didn't START with am either. I did not even say they all believe it. Please try to read with comprehension, even if it takes reading the posts more than once. You have seen, I am pretty sure, where arron and his church, do not believe everything that 'oneness pentecostal' teaches either. Don't just pick out of people's posts what 'flips your trigger'. Read all of it. It would be so helpful to you all.

plow_deep

06-26-2006, 07:57 PM

"Please try to read with comprehension, even if it takes reading the posts more than once."

"Don't just pick out of people's posts what 'flips your trigger'."

Thanks for the amusement Godchild, when I read your advice at the bottom of your post you had me rolling in laughter at the pure unadulterated hypocrisy of it.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

"He certainly does not do charitable works in God's behalf, even for his 'flock'. I've never heard one of these folks saying he sent them a check when they couldn't pay their rent."

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

danispeachy

06-26-2006, 10:14 PM

"Thanks for the amusement Godchild, when I read your advice at the bottom of your post you had me rolling in laughter at the pure unadulterated hypocrisy of it. "

Me too!

She sure flipped pretty quick in an attempt to play the victim too. All one can really do is roll their eyes at her. Especially when she said she apologized in a post... I never saw an apology post. Did you?

We stick up for Murray against the lies being spread about him & what he teaches, so according to her we idolize him. We're in a brainwashed cult even though we disagree amongst ourselves-as she's pointed out. There's no chapel, even though people have been there. We're racist even though we've said over and over again God loves everybody equally. And regardless of all the times she's she's been proven wrong scriptually, (most recently she said 2 of each animal on ark), we're biblically illiterate.

seriously, what more can one do but roll their eyes at her hate filled sillyness?

smyrna

07-08-2006, 02:27 PM

The Heckler and the Jet

The heckler wrote: "I'd say a private jet constitutes a pretty good income."

I guess if you sell it or lease it out, it would bring in a good income. But other than that, it is a pretty large expense.

For those of you who don't know what "Whackchild" is referring to, it's the jet owned by Shepherd's Chapel.

This jet, which is only used for the doemstic archaeology trips the Murray's occasionally
take, was DONATED to them by a wealthy Chapel member.

And I am so thankful for that. Because over the years the Chapel has produced incredibly interesting documentaries. One that comes to mind is of the rock inscriptions at Los Lunas, New Mexico.
You can see it and read about it at http://www.webcom.com/mhc/archaeology/decalogue-introduction.html

The heckler/agitator accuses the Chapel and its members of being preoccupied with such things. Really, who cares what she thinks!

Thousands of other people do have a keen interest in Biblical Archaeology.

I have a very keen interest in Bib-arch. It helps me bring the history of the Bible alive, much like visiting the Holy Land itself.

How anyone can find fault in having an interest in Biblical Archaeology is beyond me. But once again, it shows how desperate some people are to find fault with the SC and those who consider it their Church.

They are not content with merely finding what they perceive to be faults in the SC teachings. That is not enough for them. And what does that tell you?
It tells me that they are preoccupied with findings things that are soemhow evil or wrong in their eyes, regarding the SC. So desparate is their search, that thye even see things wrong with what people freely have given the Chapel, how assest of the Chapel are used,etc.

This is surely indicative of people who are driven by hate, and hate alone.

How Christian is that?

godchild

07-08-2006, 04:30 PM

You people are incredibly hypocritical. You come here and say things like other preachers are out to get people's money, and how am is so different. Smyrna has such a big mouth he can't resist (not realizing he is confirming what you state are our lies) spouting off that 'so what if am has overseas accounts for tax purposes', and now 'so what if followers of am donate a jet' (that most members have denied because they just couldn't believe such a thing about their leader). You judge other religious leaders by a set of rules that don't include am. \clipart
{wink}
Of course it would be wrong of me to suggest that a jet used 'only' for visiting archaelogical digs (which would be considered a PLEASURE trip by your average, middle income person) could be better spent feeding the poor and visiting widows. That's just a Biblical suggestion, but you all are above that, aren't you? HYPOCRITS! Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

smyrna

07-08-2006, 05:07 PM

Right here, right now, I challenge Godchild before anyone who is a regular reader of these forums, to come up with any evidence that I ever stated that Paster Murray has overseas accounts for tax purposes.

Here is her direct quote from her last post: "...he (Smyrna)can't resist (not realizing he is confirming what you state are our lies) spouting off that 'so what if am has overseas accounts for tax purposes',"
I have never claimed that. I have no idea what Pastor Murray does with his personal finances. What I do know is that he does not take any money from the SC ministry.

He broke his arm working on his farm, and can anyone name any TV minister that does manual labor, and doesn't collect a salary from their ministyr?

But back to Godchild. Either she provides proof I made that claim, or have this false accusation profiled on my website, as further proof that she has no credibility whatsoever.

I can document so many lies of Godchild's that I can and will eventually fill pages on my site of documentable exhibitions or your lies, deceptions, and other tactics as clear as day.

In closing, Pastor Murray has dedicated his life to serve God. He has, and does, perform the duties expected of any minister. If some obviously deranged person wants to dispute that, really, who gives a damn?

godchild

07-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Now smyrna wants you to believe that am was out trying to earn a living when he broke his arm. I understand he was driving his tractor but... Give me a break! The man is in his eighties. Maybe he should sell that jet so he no longer has to support himself driving his tractor. And if that is the case, what can you say about his sons, two grown men, who would make poor old dad go out into the field to earn his bread and butter? Why, that poor starving old man! rolf! ptuey! You better hurry and send him some more money.

I am so thrilled that I will now be the #1 attraction on smyrna's pathetic site. OOOOO, I so scared. Ha-ha-ha. (Don't you get it, #2 am butt kisser). NO ONE GOES THERE, not even you, except maybe to check the numbers of visitors and weep, not understanding why you have been such a dismal failure, when you love the man so much.
Let me detract from my definition. You are the butt WIPE. (Only joking, of course.) Either way, you stink. rlof. Ptuey!

smyrna

07-08-2006, 05:50 PM

re last post: WOTNWR

godchild

07-08-2006, 06:45 PM

quote: I have no idea what Pastor Murray does with his personal finances. What I do know is that he does not take any money from the SC ministry.
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smyrna is such a blatant liar. On one post he describes am's use of a jet bought by a follower of his, then turns right around and says he knows nothing about it, and that 'he has knowledge' that am doesn't use money given to the ministry. Ha-ha-ha! You poor deluded man. You are like a dog chasing his tail.

Your delusion, among other reasons, is that any honorable pastor would open his books for anyone, especially those who are sending their hard-earned (or in your case saved by tax-shelters) money; but you people have elevated him to such a high position you think this would be offensive to even suggest he should show it. Boy, has he got your number! That's exactly how mormonism became the mega-billion dollar corporation it now is, from fools like you. All in the name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Puke, puke, puke, and Ptoey!!! God will not be mocked! Salvation cannot be bought! I have no doubt am and his org. is laughing all the way to the (offshore) bank. You can climb out of that bed, but I fear you enjoy it too much.

godchild

07-08-2006, 06:46 PM

smyrna

07-08-2006, 06:59 PM

I have been to Gravette, folks. I have met Pastors Murray, Dennis, even Arnold's late wife Anna.

If I feel comfortable with donating money, if I accept that Pastor Murray is a straight up guy and so is his sons, if I want to support his ministry, it is MY business.

I don't have to prove anything about the SC. Not a thing, especially to some deranged, absentminded, zealous malcontent who has shown time after time that she has absolutely no credibility.

If anyone really cares enough to prove to themselves who lies, twists, cajoles, and otheriwse deceives people time after time in this forum, then go about your business. Reda the post for themselves, I have no problem with you reading my posts, they are there for all to see.

But I tell you, what Whackchild is banking on is that you won't, and you will just accept what she says as if it is true.

But it isn't, all you have to do is read the posts in these threads.

One more thing: Is anyone stupid enough (besides the "fab five") to believe that after all thse years of enemies of the chapel making accusations they cannot back up, that if any of them were true someone would be investigating the Chapel?

But no, Pastor Murray isn't in jail, neither are his sons or any of the people who work there.

Twenty years for any of thse allegations to be proven, and not one has ever been proven.

What a bunch of idiots. And anyone who listens to that garbage can just think about that before they join the circus.