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david_munson

07-08-2006, 11:02 PM

Smyrna,
you cast aspersions on my integrity and honesty.You asserted that I would intentionally make up some lie for nefarious reasons.

That is a tactic of manipulation to lead the reader into the conversation with certain "preconceived" notions.

I think you are quite underhanded and it is quite plain to see that,despite all your squeals of "liar's" it is you that is misleading.

Yeah, now I'm a burglar.
I used to be the Devil's tit.
In the words of Carlos Mencia,"DEE DE DEE !!!"
Get a clue will you?

No really,get a clue.

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smyrna

07-08-2006, 11:20 PM

Re Munsun post: WOTNWR

david_munson

07-08-2006, 11:25 PM

Sophomoric.

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plow_deep

07-08-2006, 11:28 PM

Dave,

Are you aware for instance that the UN (United Nothing) met during our independance holiday to adopt a charter for the sole purpose of undermining our Constitution so that they,an international body of member states that hate America,can take away the individual citizens rights to firearm ownership?

Yes I'm aware and that fight to take our guns has been going on for decades. Folks in the Katrina zones are still fighting to get their guns back after FEMA illegally confiscated them. The government is ignoring Court orders to return the guns to their owners.

Arent you aware that that the U.N. is basically an American tool the wouldnt exist without our financial support? Does it surprise me that our government turns this tool against its own people?

Nope, not surprised a bit.

Ever heard of U.N. Biosphere reserves? Environmental organisations such as 'The Nature Conservancy' have been turning over hundreds of thousands of U.S. acres to U.N. control using eminent domain under the guise of protecting the environment to force folks off their lands and farms and move them towards an urban setting.
Its been going on at full force since 2000.

Dont be surprised by the U.N. Their policies are mainly at the bidding of the U.S. government.

Without our support the U.N. would fold.

Peace to you and yours.

david_munson

07-09-2006, 12:11 AM

PD,
seems to be good enough reason for the citizens to demand the monies be given back to help the American people before being given to an Org. that wants us gone.

Bush signed a law preventing the abuse of immenent domain like that which took place in New London Connecticut.

I belong to two groups that are fighting such confiscations and want educational materials to be available to all people of America.
As well as strict adherance to all Constitutional Law.

England took away it's citizens right to own a gun and I jokingly said what's next knives?

A chef mind you,testified in a Parlamentery hearing ,within the last year ,that there was no legitimate use for a "steak knife."

A chef!

Would you eat at a place where the chef thought steak knives had no use?

And this guy got to testify as though he was actually a professional witness.
That mindset is what destroys all freedoms no matter what they might be.

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terluvire

07-09-2006, 12:25 AM

Good Evening Plow Deep
Quote:
Arent you aware that that the U.N. is basically an American tool the wouldnt exist without our financial support? Does it surprise me that our government turns this tool against its own people?

Though you weren't speaking to me, I do know this is true.

The tentacles of the hidden dynasties are growing larger. But in the end, it works out according to God's plan. In the end, we have the victory.

david_munson

07-09-2006, 12:30 AM

Read the back of the Book huh?

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ezekiel_37

07-09-2006, 12:46 AM

plow deep....Hello there

on a totally different plain....

do you ever use the 'handle' "diggin deep" for I recently saw this on a site and immidiately thought of you?

Just curious!

Peace to you

in His service
c

terluvire

07-09-2006, 01:05 AM

Good Evening David,

You said
Quote:
Read the back of the Book huh?

I'm not sure if you were speaking to me, but to answer you...I read the whole book many many times. I like to see how it all plays out from beginning to end. One cannot be a true warrior for God if they don't know what He has to say. God's plan of salvation plays out beautifully. His word, the bible, is the most wonderful love letter ever written.

(Message edited by terluvire on July 08, 2006)

plow_deep

07-09-2006, 01:51 AM

Dave,

I was a fool to vote for Bush in his 1st term.
Ive since learned the difference between a Neo-conservative and a Conservative.
I did not vote in the past election due to nobody running supported a Conservative or Constitutional platform.

Bush signed a law preventing the abuse of immenent domain like that which took place in New London Connecticut.

Wrong. He signed an executive order which is just an attempt to appease unwary supporters and try to beef up the most feeble public support numbers of any President in history. Bush totally despises our Constitution and disregards it in every conceivable way. Dont you remember last year when he told his staff that it was just a g-d damn piece of paper?

Besides there is no need for a new law against eminent domain the Constitution already covers it.

Eminent domain is unconstitutional.
I wont bother to say anything about the legality of so called executive orders.

I belong to two groups that are fighting such confiscations and want educational materials to be available to all people of America.
As well as strict adherance to all Constitutional Law.

Thats good. I hope youve done as Ive done for the last 6 years and study your Bill of Rights and your Constitution. I wish I had done it sooner in life. Its hard to make your leaders and Judges adhere to the law if one doesnt know how or when its being broken.

Its safe to say that most of our Senators, Judges and Governors are extremely happy we as a People are so ignorant of our rights and laws.

Dave, I dont mean to come off as a know it all or talking down to you. I know very little. I do know the from the more I learn that our government has been corrupt for a long long time.

I think we as Americans have lived prosperously and carefree for so long that we havent really cared or paid too much attention to what our leaders have doing.

Now we are starting to pay for our negligence.

Welcome to the times of sorrows.

Terluvire,

Yes! Thank The Good Lord we have the victory in the end.

God Bless

plow_deep

07-09-2006, 02:03 AM

Ezekiel,

This is the only place I post at. I'm a newbie.

I belong to a couple of alternative power groups at yahoo but I dont post, I just read and learn silently in the background.

Peace to you and yours.

watchman_2

07-09-2006, 05:13 AM

plow_deep,

Your quote:
Its safe to say that most of our Senators, Judges and Governors are extremely happy we as a People are so ignorant of our rights and laws.

Don't stop there. Try every aspect of our bureacracy.

Of course, our public education system consists of willing conspirators as well. There is no effort to teach kids what their real rights consist of. Most people grow up thinking that, if our government does it, it must be legal.

I agree with your analysis regarding neo-conservatism and true conservatism. The Ronald Reagan conservative movement has been hijacked by the neocons.

I empathize with your unwillingness to vote due to the fact a true conservative is not a contender. I caution you against such an attitude. When we vote, we are not voting for the person we select, but against the other side.

Hence, it is important that we vote to prevent the Democrats/Liberals/Socialists/Communists from winning. Until these leftists parties are marginalized to small fractions of the populace, we must still vote for the neocon if one is the opponent. Otherwise, the potential exists to throw the election to those pigs.

Hopefully, the Repbulicans will wise up and put forth a true conservative. Until that time, we will have to suffer with the neocons. All I can say is that Bush is a heck of a lot better than Gore or Kerry.

danispeachy

07-09-2006, 05:54 AM

I'm sitting here wondering what the purpose was for Vivians paste of Pastor Murrays phone messages. I wonder if she knows that ALL Shepherds Chapel Material, Written, Audio, and visual are copy written. They are not to be redistributed without permission. Therefore Vivians posts 3581, 3582, 3583, & 3584, are posted illegaly. Nothing new, she's done it before. Maybe I'll call the chapel tomorrow, or Monday and see what they have to say about that. I doubt she got permission, I mean they won't even allow it to be posted at the Fig Tree... you know the place they are not affiliated with regardless of her constant accusals. Lies, Theft & Accusals - the 3 things she revels in.

plow_deep

07-09-2006, 10:20 AM

Watchman2,

I used to buy into the 'us verses them' game of the Democratic/Republican parties. They use social issues to cause division amongst the American people.

If a person really takes the time to look at the legislation passed from H.W. Bush, thru Clinton, and now Bush Jr., one can clearly see that these administrations have clearly complimented each other in eroding individual rights, and the sovereignty of our nation on both a state level and a national level. Each have clearly worked together to advance socialist values of big centralised government. Each have clearly worked together to dismantle our borders thru NAFTA, AFTT, etc., and all the national border and trade destroying U.N. programs.

The Repub/Demo parties work in unison thru facist/communist sides of the same Marxist coin.

I'll probably never vote Republican nationally ever again and I definitely have not or will ever vote for the Democratic party.

In my state of Georgia, the last election took place thru electronic voting with no paper trail. It angered over 90% of the voters and our legislators under constant demand have reinstated the paper trail.
That was another reason I refused to vote. Thanks to a group effort of my states citizens, I can vote again. Dont research Diebold corp. and electronic vote fraud...its pretty sad.

On a national level this is the party I will support next time. http://constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
Many say voting 3rd party is a waste. I say media manipulation has created that lie.

Before the Civil war the 2 big parties were the Whigs and the Democrats. Lincoln ran under the newly formed, never before heard of, Republican party and won.

The rest, along with the Whig party, is history.

Peace to you and yours

watchman_2

07-09-2006, 03:19 PM

plow_deep,

I understand the dilemma and share your assessment of the Democrats and Republicans with respect to the promotion of big government, etc.

I realize that the Whigs became obsolete and that, therefore, the possibility exists that the Democratic party will do likewise. If, and when, this occurs, I will be one of the first to abandon the neocon Republicans for a true conservative party.

However, I do believe times are significantly different today then at the time of Lincoln. Today, people are not as independent. There is a large segment of the populace dependent upon gov't and/or the continued funding of big gov't. This group will never abandon there last vestige of hope for the continuation of their way of life -- the Democratic Party and the similar policies of the neocon Republicans.

Hence, I do not foresee that there will ever be significant enough voters that will abandon both major parties to a true conservative party. In my opinion, the change that you [and I] seek will only take place after the Democrats splinter into various factions.

Since it is impossible for a single individual to effect change in our government through the political process [voting], I advocate a personal direct approach for those that believe that their constitutional rights have been compromised.

david_munson

07-09-2006, 04:54 PM

Terluvire,
The "back of the book" comment was in jest.
(you never heard that one?)
"I read the back of the book and we win."
I am sure you read the whole book.
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Plow_deep and Watchman_2,
you make some very serious points here and I have to agree with the assessments made.

Our so called Representative parties are not representing the American peoples as they have been sworn to do.

I'm not sure the Democratic party will vanish but you could be right.
People are getting sick of both parties for certain.

Those of us old enough,have seen certain freedoms taken away at will by out of order reps. and runaway courts.

Plow,
third party voting is effective and the government propaganda stating otherwise is as you say.An attempt at manipulation of the peoples will and voting practices.

Have hope though,it's going to get worse.
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If it's as humid and hot there as it is here,I hope you find a cool breeze,
Dave

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plow_deep

07-09-2006, 06:38 PM

Watchman2,

There is a large segment of the populace dependent upon gov't and/or the continued funding of big gov't. This group will never abandon there last vestige of hope for the continuation of their way of life

I agree totally. They are nearly 1/2 of the population in this country too. I'm thinking if we dont get our country turned around in the next Presidential election, then there will be no point of return after that. Its one of the things that bothers me so much about illegal immigration.
They just greatly increase those that are dependent on social services. Its also a total slap in the face for all the immigrants that pursue the legal route of entry. Legal immigrants who obtain citizenship are some of the most loyal and knowledgeable Americans I know of. I live in a army town that is a giant melting pot of people from all ethnic backgrounds.

Dave,

I sure hope a 3rd party pulls it off the next time.

Yup, Its hot and humid here, but on the plus side my garden is putting out like crazy this year!

Peace to you Folks

(Message edited by plow_deep on July 09, 2006)

david_munson

07-09-2006, 06:56 PM

Plow,
we still have spring waters flowing in the back yard.I need a canoe to cross the yard,LOL.

The farmers up here are worried about the late planting season but are hoping for the best.

I'll be praying that you reap a great and delicious harvest from your garden.

God Bless,
Dave
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terluvire

07-09-2006, 07:48 PM

Good Afternoon David,

I thought you were just kidding but I was sure.

All is good.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

abiyah

07-09-2006, 08:24 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifWell A Very Good Afternoon to you Terri !

Peace unto you beloved; So very happy to see you this fine and beautiful afternoon ! I pray that all is real, real well with you, and hope that you are enjoying the day.

Psalm 118:24
" This is the day which The LORD hath made; we will REJOICE and BE GLAD in it. "

May His Blessing ' continue " to be upon you.

Abiyah

david_munson

07-09-2006, 08:58 PM

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watchman_2

07-10-2006, 12:30 AM

plow_deep,

I live in Southern California and witness the impact of illegal immigration almost on a daily basis.

Approximately 10 years ago, Governor Pete Wilson filed suit on behalf of the State of California against the U.S. for recovery of damages resulting from the Federal government's failure/negligence in preventing illegal immigration. The suit was dismissed without it going to trial.

The people have also passed initiatives that would place limits on or eliminate certain social services to illegal immigrants only to have the courts overrule the will of the people.

There has also been the closure of several trauma and emergency medical centers due to the fact that they are overrun with illegal immigrants seeking regular medical services for free rather than go to a doctor and pay for the service. Sometimes they wait over a day to see a doctor.

One can drive by any home improvement/construction supply store and find many young men awaiting an opportunity to be a day laborer. Coffee shops open nearby to supply these people while they wait for an opportunity to earn a few dollars.

Such is the life across the border for these people that they welcome an opportunity to hopefully be selected for a day's work. Of course, they collect social services/welfare as well.

The system can only implode -- it cannot fix itself. History teaches us that government is incapable of remedying itself in order to save the country.

I have told many people that we did not really win the Cold War against the Russians -- they only went bankrupt first. This nation is not far behind.

When), in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.

U.S. Declaration of Independence

Obviously, the Declaration was not intended as a one-time event.