The Fab Six Cast Members

[smyrna]

You know the fab five. But they have a new cast member: Kimberly. At least I think they do. It could be that it is one of the five posting under another name. No matter. For thepurpose of this thread, we'll just treat her as a newbie.

So here is the list, along with their general personality traits and their favorite tactics.

David Munsun: Easily frustrated, so he doesn't spend much time in the heat of debate. He'd rather set up smokescreens, like using digressions to get off the main topic, and even has gone so far as to just turn into a heckler. Example: posting just laughing emoticons instead of writing anything.

Arron: probably a pretty good guy, but a bit shy and closed up. he mainly just states his own beleifs, which is fine, but lacks any shcolarship skills in order to properly defend them.

Franklin: Haven't heard from him lately, if he doesn't show up soon, he may be dropped from this exclusive but infamous group.

LLM,

The new leader of the Fab Six. He earned this spot by showing us he definitely does not have both oars in the water.
Last seen standing on a street corner in his hometown renting the movie: The Day the Earth Stood Still.
Favorite tactic: Totally ignoring anyone who proves him wrong, and just continues to rant and rave about whatever topic he chooses to rant and rave about.

Godchild: Former leader of the Fab Five. Godchild
lost her spot not because of anything she did, but because LLM has her beat as the top whacko in this fine group of Chapel critics and Bible scholar wannabees.
Tactics: Name it, she's done it. Adept at anti-categoria. Also suffers from delusions. She sees things that are not there, even after to show her she is making stuff up she insists it is all true. Spins stuff so well they would love her in Washington.

Kimberely. The newbie. Suffers from a deatchment from reality. Chronic liar, in her first few posts
she exposed herself as an imposter, posing as a Chapel student and then going off into a rant about the evils of the Chapel. She just couldn't keep it together for long. May not be here long either. She may be way over the edge.
Tactics: Too early to tell. A bit of a holy roller, rigidly fundamentalist, but so out of touch with reason that she actually thought the vice of Curly of the Three Stooges (at scripturetruth.homestead.com) was an actual tape of Godchild speaking. (See thread Pastor Murray gun audio, sixth post from top of page)

[angie0401]

smyrna,
I think you've got them all pegged! Awesome job!
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[smyrna]

Thanks Angie,

You know, my post above is filled with typos. Why?
Because I was laughing so hard at LLM I could barely type! Then I forgot to proof my post before sending.
Can you imagine actually arguing that the earth does not rotate and that the sun orbits the earth?
How about arguing that Jesus will not actually return to earth, and still claim he is a Christian?
And here's one that I found on that Kronia website he insisted we all read: Saturn was once like the sun, and that is why ancient people worshipped it.
All this stuff LLM subscribes to. And then he calls us crazy. Go figure.
If I wasn't such a charitable guy, I'd tell him about the websites that have theories about the earth being hollow, and the core actually is a type of sun that warms subterranian cities and allows them to grow stuff underground.
How about the web site that says they want a piece of the Shroud of Turin so they can get some of the DNA and clone Jesus?
Hey, why not? LLM believes all this other stuff, we might as well send him over the edge. He's hanging by his fingernails anyway.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Ooooh ooooh and don't forget the sites which talk about Lizard people. Some say they live under ground and that Queen Elizabeth is suppose to be of the Lizard people. LOL</font>

[smyrna]

terluvire,

Maybe we can convince LLM that HE is a lizard person descended from Queen Elizabeth. Maybe he'll by a lizard suit and move underground! LOL!

[terluvire]

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[david_munson]

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Smyrna,
you are just too easy.
I had to laugh about your amature psychoanalysis.
You are so far off the mark it's amazing.

Since when do emoticons make one a heckler?
Now if that isn't the cheapest attempt at manipulating bias that I ever saw.

Yup,five books of the law.Five represents grace,did you know that?

Nice set up though,you have to admit.

I'm easily frustrated huh?
Nice try but no cigar.
(or whatever it is you might smoke)

Oh yeah,
since when did I say I was bible scholar?
Never did.
You are inferring again,Smyrna but I have become used to it now.

Will that be Goobers or Raisinets?

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[smyrna]

Nice to see Munsun is learning, albeit slowly. He now knows the Torah consists of five books, not four. He didn't know a few days ago. The readers have their documentation.

Check out Munsun's many posts on Factnet. He doesn't have to say he thinks he is a Bible scholar. All he needs to do is try, like he has so many times, to appear that he knows what he is talking about.

Sadly, he falls far short of being a Bible scholar. Because even neophytes that are just beginning to study the Bible know how many books the Torah contains. So it is a good thing for Munsun to make sure we know he isn't one.


I don't need to try and manipulate anyone. All I have to do is point folks to the Fab Six's posts, and let their own words sink them.

Munsun is a very entertaining fellow.

[david_munson]

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Smyrna,
think of the mindset that comes up with a thread like this for the purpose that you have.
Is that the mind of Christ?
No.

You are here to redicule those that disagree with your viewpoint,not to instruct,is that not true?

You do not follow your own principles so how does that give you crediblity?
This is not the way of the Master.
It is the way of the flesh.

Prov.14:12,Prov.16:25.

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[smyrna]

You misunderstand me Dave, read the Detractors thread for your answer.

[smyrna]

Whatever Munsun. But facts are facts. It was your own words that show how wrong you are. No one is perfect, to be sure. But we have people here in this forum that think they are qualified to accuse Pastor Murray and the Shepherd's Chapel of racism,being false teachers, etc. and over time those detractors have proven on more than one occasion that they can't even explain their own beliefs, much less ciritcize those of others.
Does this mean that I am claiming that SC students never disagree with each other? Of course not. Because there is a marked difference between someone who has studied for years, verses a new Chapel student that does not yet have a grasp on what is being taught.
The same goes for the fundamentalist camp.
I going to reiterate what I've reiterated many times. I really don't care what others believe. It's really not my business. I can certainly take the time to explain why we believe what we believe.
But I'll be dammed if I'm going to sit back and watch a bunch of whack jobs accuse Pastor Murray and my SC bretheren of things that are easily documented to be products of an insidious rumor mill.
The Fab Five are the Fab Five because they are all guilty of doing that over and over again.
Godchild even thinks the Chapel doesn't have their own Church buildings!
Wasn't it you Munsun that said Pastor Murray teaches that Jesus is satan?!!!!!
How about LLM? He believes that Jesus' feet will never touch the ground when He returns. You agree with that?
Arron believes that Noah's descendants were able to split into all the different races. Does anyone else on this planet think that is true?

All that stuff is absolute nonsense, but they all think they are qualified to accuse Pastor Murray and the students of being some cult, and accuses them of believing things that are totally foreign to the SC.

It's ridiculous, we've proved it many times here, and so if you all want to keep that stuff up, I say have at it, the material is building up more and more each day. Once you spout your drivel, after 1/2 hour you can't delete it.

Now I take the time to say this, but I am sure that one of the Fab Five will come back with some irrelevant trash, using the figure anti-categoria, even though they don't know what that is, but I assure you they are guilty of it all the time.

[david_munson]

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Personally Smyrna,
I'd rather focus on Christ and grow in the grace and knowledge that HE provides us.

The only hope worth putting trust in is Christ Himself.
The only man worthy of trust is Christ.
The only man to follow is Christ.
I don't follow any one particular man because I'm not supposed to.
I'm supposed to draw from each and every member of Christ's body that I can fellowship with.
I'm supposed to give that which I have of the supply that is made available to us through the Holy Spirit indwelt in each member of the body in particular.

This is accomplished through submission to the Holy Spirit and walking in the "new man" while mortifying the deeds of the flesh.
Col 3.

Of course we must always wear the armor of God, Eph 6.,because our enemy walks about seeking whom he may devour.1Pe*5:8.

Be well and have a good evening,
Dave


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[smyrna]

Ok Dave,

Good post once again. Peace, brother.

[watchman_2]

I vote for llm as the most detached from reality. Plenty of evidence here without expounding further.

In my opinion, arron misses his dearly departed wife too much to accept any truth that might take away his precious 'rapture' theory.

I believe that godchild was rescued from her personal problems by her brand of beliefs and has had a personal vendetta against anyone that doesn't agree. She has been quite quiet lately after making an a** out of herself with her character assassination of Bullinger only to find out that he agrees with many of her positions.

franklin is a [figuratively] defecator [like Munson used to be]. He drops in from time to time to dump his load and then takes off so as to not have to deal with the smell [figuratively].

I agree with smyrna on the newbie.

As for Munson, he is the most perplexing for me to figure out. By now, he knows that he is no match scripturally for SC students and cannot convince us of any of his beliefs. He takes a lot of hits from us here, but still comes back for more. God hates quitters, so he should get good marks for that, eventhough he is on the wrong side of issues. So, I conclude that he is thoroughly brainwashed by his church and is incapable of thinking on his own. He firmly believes he is correct at the same time that he also knows he cannot prove it.

I should have placed this on the detractors' thread.

[plow_deep]

I believe Kimberley is probably a regular from the cultbusters-website cult that decided to lend a hand to her fellow patrons in slinging a little mud.

Deception and dishonesty (as long as it isnt exposed) seems to be an accepted trait for many from that site.

She quickly retreated from further postings when she realised that she was risked being exposed as a fake.

Oops! Too late!

Quite entertaining though.

[smyrna]

plow_deep,

It's a curious phenomena, that of the SC detractor having to stoop to deceptions. Kimberly is yet another of a long line of SC opponents that for whatever reason have used distortion and many other tricks to try and win converts.
Why? Can't they just rely on facts? Just doing so would lift their credibility. After all, we have to be honest as SC students and admit that portions of the SC theology are controversial. If SC oppnents just stuck to that, maybe they would look a little better.
However, the problem with that is since they either intentioanlly or unintentionally twist what the Chapel really teaches, and thus they have lost whatever credibility they may have enjoyed.
You really have to question the actual motives of people who definitely have been exposed using all types of tactics designed to divert attention from their own shortcomings and highlight what have become glaring false accustions about Chapel teachings, and Pastors Murray.
And that fact shows they are not acting in a spirit of understanding, but of malice.
One very good example is the 'gun audio' thread and the account of how www.carm.org (http://www.carm.org) described the gun incident. If anyone thinks they reported it with no premeditated bias against the Chapel, then they are just plain fools.

[david_munson]

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Watchman,
I say this without any ill intent.
I get a kick out of your last post.
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The reason I am hard to figure out is because I don't have any ill will towards any of you folks.
I just don't agree with Mr. Murray.
I should add ,"on most things."

I don't think it wise to claim biblical superiority over others either.That's too hazardous a road to walk down.
The Lord hates pride and though like you I have been guilty of it,I try and avoid it.
It makes for an easier walk and doesn't get in God's way when He chooses to use a person to help someone else or meet a need.

Watchman and Smyrna,
no one on this thread knows why I have come here.
It isn't for the reasons that you might think.
It's not to harrass you either.

I am looking for the Spirit in operation in the body universal which is found throughout this world.
The Spirit which gives acceptance to the unacceptable and fills each believer with God's Love.

Sometimes I see His hand and other times I do not.I would guess that that is the norm for this side of eternity.Sorta like hide and seek with the accent on seek.
Hope you understand.

Dave

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[smyrna]

Watchman and Munsun,

Watchman, I don't know how many of Munsun's recent posts you have read, including the last one abive, but Munsun isn't that bad of a guy. Certainly he has said some outreagous things, but I think we all have at one time or another.

I appreciate his tenacity, as do you. But I take comfort in the fact that we all have an understanding that we are brothers in Christ. We can disagree on what we see as God's plan, and also about how Scripture teaches us about life. But let us never forget that if we were all attacked from the outside, like say Isalmic Jihad, that we all put our disagreements aside and protect our right to live for Christ.

[smyrna]

Have you all noticed that the "Fab Five" have been pretty quiet for a few days? Maybe there is an anti-Chapel rally this weekend somewhere.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">HI Smyrna,

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Have you all noticed that the "Fab Five" have been pretty quiet for a few days? Maybe there is an anti-Chapel rally this weekend somewhere.

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[david_munson]

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I don't know about anyone else but I have been pretty busy with things lately.

Besides all that,we've pretty much expressed our points and disagreements as well as some things we do agree on.

But just the same,Have a great weekend and a pleasant week to boot.

Dave

P.S. I ask that you pray for a man named Steve who is now dieing of a lung disease.He is a friend of my neighbors and there has been much loss of life lately among family and friends.

Thank you,I know you care.

In Christ name.

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[smyrna]

Dave,

Prayers of goodwill to you your family, and the man with cancer.
I want to share a prayer I learned while on retreat at a monastery. The monks pray it every night before they retire. It is called:

The Night Litany For The World

O God, our Father, hear us.

We intercede before You, through the Sacred Heart of Jesus, for all who tonight in this world stand in the most need of Your merciful
love and protection.

On souls beset by temptation, have mercy.
On those who have fallen into sin, have mercy.
On those who are given up to worldliness and are forgetful of You, have mercy.
On those who are at this moment in danger of losing You forever, have mercy.
By Your agony, save them, Jesus.

On those who are carrying on wicked trades and profit by sin, have mercy.
On the victims of sin, have mercy.
On those indulging in sinful amusements, have mercy.
On all who are imperilling their souls by self-indulgence and luxury,have mercy.
On all frequenting haunts of sin, have mercy.
By Your scourging, save them, Jesus.

On all who are out tonight, the homeless, the weary, the starving, those tempted to suicide, the intermperate, have mercy.
On those who are out for sin, have mercy.
To those who are out to rescue others, grant help and protection.

For those work at night, let Your Presence be with them, Jesus.
For the sick and suffering and all who are enduring any agony of mind or body, comfort them, Jesus.
For all undergoing operations, strengthen them, Jesus,, and help them in body and soul.
For the sleepless and lonely, be near them.
For those in anxiety, nervous or mental distress, calm them.
For the mentally ill, keep them under Your protection.
For those who attend upon the mentally ill, make them tender-hearted and compassionate.
For night nurses, give faithfulness and sympathy.
for priests and doctors called out this night, reward them.
By Your crown of thorns, deliver them, Jesus.

For those who this night must suffer bereavement, visit and sustain them.
For those for whom this will be their last night on earth, deepen their contrition and receive their souls.
For those whom sudden death summons before Your Judgment, have mercy.
For those dying alone without priest or sacrament, have mercy.
For those dying rejecting the ministry of Holy Church, have mercy.
On those dying unconscious, have mercy.
On those dying blind to their sin, have mercy.
On the souls of unbelievers who are near death, have mercy.
On those who are trying to turn to You even in their last hour, have mercy.
For those who are afraid to die, turn their heaviness into joy.
For dying priests and religious, have mercy on them and receive them to Yourself.
For the faithful departed, grant them light and peace.
For ourselves in our last hour, grant the pardon of our sins, our negligence and our ignorance.
By Your holy death, deliver us all, O Jesus.

On behalf of those who neglect to praise God and thank Him, let us say:
Blessed by God. Blessed be His holy name.

On behalf of those who blaspheme and neglect the Blessed Sacrament, let us say: Blessed, praised, worshipped and adored be Jesus Christ on His
Throne of Glory and in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.

[david_munson]

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Thank you Smyrna,
that makes me think of Psalm 136.
His mercy endures forever.

Dave

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[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">HI Dave,

I'm so sorry to hear about Steve. I have already said a prayer for him. I also pray for the family members and friends. I pray that God comfort them and bring peace which passes all understanding.</font>

[david_munson]

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Thank you Terluvire,
I really appreciate you ,Smyrna ,Watchman and others I have not named that I know are praying for the Lord's will in this matter.

It is not cancer that Steve has but some unusual disease that effects his lungs.
We have been expecting that this time would come but it is never a welcome thing when a friend passes.

Pray mostly for his salvation.I would rather see His Spirit healed and made alive so he can enjoy eternity with the Lord than just a physical healing.
I pray that the Lord softens his heart to recieve the gift of eternal life.

Thank you again my friends in Christ,
Dave

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[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Dave,

I will be praying for him. You are right, the soul is more important than the flesh. The flesh is only here for a season, the soul is eternal if one is in Christ.</font>

[david_munson]

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[smyrna]

Congratulations Munsun,

You have been demoted from the Fab Five, and promoted to brother in arms!

Ok, this is my game, I know. But we have a real nut case on these threads going by the handle "2pillars."

Don't be offended, but compared to what I have perceived to be you at your worst, this guy blows you away, and you should be happy for that!

He makes Godchild and llm look like genius college professors.

Remember the old commercial, the one that ended with the phrase "The mind is a terrible thing to waste."

This 2pillars character lives it to the hilt.

Why am I telling you this?
Maybe, just maybe, those who have historically disagreed with us SC students may actually share with us common ground by declaring 2pillars to be unfit for discussions on these threads.

We just need one SC detractor to say that he or she agrees that 2pillars views are indicative of someone who is not merely airing alternate views, but clearly ranting and raving about the rejection of his completely ignorant presentations of what he claims is Biblical truth.

Now I know we have disagreements, Dave,but you only need to read this guy's posts to see what I'm talking about.

One example: He claims man was created on the fifth day, and refuses to retract the statement, insisting that he is correct.

So if someone who is also critical of the Chapel can let this guy know they also think he is crazy, then maybe he will go away, or, he will start to attack you too, which will pretty much prove the is in llm's world: everyone must by lying for him to be correct.

[abiyah]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifGood Morning Symrna &amp; ALL !

And Peace unto you; : ) At first... when reading your above post No. 556, I was laughing at some of the comments you made..... you do give me a laugh first thing in the morning ! LOL ! But YES.... I do wonder where our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ have gone to when it come to making a stand for The Truth ? DAVID MUNSON...... where are you, and are you not prepared to make a STAND for The Truth of God's Word [ Ephesians 6:10-17 ], against false teachings of 2Pillars?! And yes, even Vivian &amp; Aaron ? Who use to come here DAILY, where are they now, when it comes time that they should have the Armour of God on, to stand for The Truth of our Father's Word, and to dispell the lies that 2Pillars as brought forth here with his false teachings ?

It just amazes me that David, Vivian, &amp; Aaron are not here to stand along with us for The Truth, those who were all here any other day of the week have disappeared right about the time that 2Pillars appeared. And now that we can all stand together to defend our Father's Word against 2Pillars false teachings, you all have seemingly ran off.

You know ... something a wise man once said to me comes to mind, here let me qoute that .....

" When its to deep for everybody else, its just right for God's elect "

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[watchman_2]

I, for one, appreciate 2pillars point of view. Sure, 2pillars is way out there, but, at least 2pillars is a change from the usual detractors.

I also appreciate abiyah's point. The usual detractors plead for common ground with SCers and here is their chance. Where are they?

[david_munson]

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Haven't read anything 2pillars wrote yet so I can't make an informed comment.

Plus,
common ground for me is Christ and all the wonderful things He does and has done for us.

I haven't been reading here as much as I used to.I am keeping an eye on some articles that are comming out about Greater Grace World Outreach.
A ministry I was involved in for years that has been teaching error to control or gain the upper hand in other believers lives.

I will look around and see if I can find 2pillars posts.

Dave

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[abiyah]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifWell then welcome back brother ! : )

Ephesians 6:17
" And take the helmet of salvation,</font><font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font> and The Sword of The Spirit, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD;</font><font color="119911"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font> "


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