Shepherds Chapel wannabes

[john_parker (john_parker)]

Today we have a presious few Internet forums and message boards started by folks resembling Shepherds Chapel and the teachings of Arnold Murray

Sad thing is, these sites are usually hard to find And sometimes difficult to get onto once you find one. They often have roadblocks and other security measures

And sadly,
they almost always fail because of terrible arguments that frequently erupt amongst the group. They rarely even get along with each other, much less anyone outside the teaching

They are likened to scrappy Wolverines And Tasmanian devils with attitude.

I didnt have much of a choice,
After my encounter with God in 97 I was basically sent to learn more about the good Lord through studying the doctrine Pastor Arnold teaches on tapes and T.V. night and day.

AFTER a year or so of learning, http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I wanted to find others of like teaching and faith that I could talk to and speak with
but sadly they are the most paranoid unfriendly Christian folks Ive ever encountered.

But thats not always the case, I speak in general terms.



PEACE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif


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Jesus is the Living Word

[john_parker (john_parker)]

KINGS CHAPEL

Pastor Lance Knight

This was quite an extensive learning site that unfortunately has failed

I hear the pastor has gone quite insane believing his former mentor Arnold Murray is the Devil out to make antichrists out of his students,

or something like that? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif


PEACE

[john_parker (john_parker)]

I have been searching for over eight years,

For anyone that has information or had a similar encounter (of the highest order of magnitude) which began with a blinking or flashing black fleur-de-lis Herald to get your attention.

God Bless

PEACE

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

try

www.theseason.org (http://www.theseason.org)

you may be pleasently suprised

Peace
c

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

then goto /seeds

peace
c

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

then goto /fig tree cafe

Pece
c

[john_parker (john_parker)]

Smyrna only tells,

on herself with her evil heartless attacks
That she is indeed a daughter of Cain

evil is as evil does and she is full of evil!

just ignore her posts shes crazy http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif


I fail to understand why she is after me?



PEACE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[duncan1 (duncan1)]

Just another Identity liar.

http://khyron_4.tripod.com/PMurray/PMurray.html

Here is a guy who supports Arnie. the guy has no face, no name and no contact information, thus he has no crediblity. The is the standard tactic used by Identity cult followers.

http://khyron_4.tripod.com/PMurray/about.htm

" I hold three college degrees, two Associate's and one Bachelor's. Both Associate's are with honors." - unknown Identity cultist

What college did he attend? He doesn't say. You would think that guy who has all of these so-called college degrees would be proud to name the college he attended. You would think that if this guy thought Arnie was such a righteous dude then he would site some sources to support his cliams.

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/answers.htm

"It is true that I have a policy of not publicly stating where I earned my doctorate because then "critics" cannot judge me by association. I have always publicly stated that my credentials are my ability to teach God's Word. To the extent that our Heavenly Father blesses me with the ability to clearly teach His Word then what higher ordination could there be?" -Arnie

So why not tell us what university he attended? The only thing Arnie has is a BS in BS. His comment is what is known as 'circular logic'.

"I say it is so and therefore it must be so."

Well gee if Arnie say he has a degree then yuk yuk he must have a degree.

Arnie doesn't know what 'circular' reasoning is because he never set foot on any college campus. Arnie is a Pete Peters clone and just another guy with NO degree in theology. Peters will say that he got his degree in theology from a seminary school in Gehring, Nebraska, yet there is no such school like he suggests in this town.

[godchild (godchild)]

I learned something new from abiyah this morning. When a. murray speaks then says, Amen, it means "that's that, nothing more needs to be said." So much for the question and answer sessions they claim to have. So much for the scriptural admonition to "search out these things." These people need our prayers.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

look up the word....

ignorance is your own fault when you have the ability to find out for yourself

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Abiyah is right!

Here is word Amen in the greek and it's definition:


aw-mane'
From H539; sure; abstractly faithfulness; adverbially truly: - Amen, so be it, truth.

[godchild (godchild)]

Which confirms what I said, "That when a murray says amen, it means that's that and nothing more need to be said." So they don't need to have their question and answer sessions. (If murray says it, <u>nothing more needs to be said.</u>)

If you look in the scriptures you will see it is the people listening who say amen, showing that they understood and agree with what is said. 1 Cor. 14:14- For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupied the place of the uninformed (the congregation) say "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say.
1 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God in Him (Jesus) are yes, and in Him Amen, in the glory of God through us. (meaning yes, I/we agree.)

When a minister says Amen after a sermon, his Amen should be a question to the congregation meaning, "Do you agree?" The congregation should be able to answer questions before they agree. Not to be told "If I say it, there is nothing more to be said."
There is no promise that what a minister says, unless he only quotes the Holy Bible, is truth. Only in Jesus is all truth.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Which confirms what I said, "That when a murray says amen, it means that's that and nothing more need to be said."</font>

When anyone says "Amen" that is what they are saying. The translation of the word is correct regardless who is saying it!

[sammy (sammy)]

There are thoes who would say Yashuah The Christ didn't have a 'degree' in theology from an accredited university! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

wonderful opening post. lol
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[godchild (godchild)]

hi sammy. I wonder, are you the 'big gun' sc has sent in to 'save the day'? The other 'pea-shooters having problems. Welcome!

No one cares if am has credentials. The point is, he is a proven liar by 'building himself up to you that he does'. This makes everything he says questionable, to say the least.

[godchild (godchild)]

"Be sure your sin will find you out!"

[godchild (godchild)]

The little girls here hiding their giggles behind their aprons aren't impressing anyone either.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

lol
lol
lol

[sammy (sammy)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif hi sammy. I wonder, are you the 'big gun' sc has sent in to 'save the day'? The other 'pea-shooters having problems. Welcome!

Big gun??? Has sent??? LOOOOL! Yup, that's me the BIG gun 'sent' in!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif No one cares if am has credentials. The point is, he is a proven liar by 'building himself up to you that he does'. This makes everything he says questionable, to say the least.

How have you come to the conclusion that he has 'built himself up to me', as having credentials? Are you psychic? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

[godchild (godchild)]

sammy, I am sorry for including you as one of the am people. The first portion of my post was a question to you. The second half was to all who follow am.

So, to any am followers of believers in his doctrines, did he or did he not claim he attended a university (or college) under a man there?
By doing so and now stating he isn't required credentials (The Bible tells us that the apostles and prophets were taught by the Lord and anointed. I'd call that the best credentials, and necessary for teaching and preaching.) he is a proven liar and words it in a way that his followers don't see him as a liar at all, but as one who has received 'new or added' revelation from God, so that no matter how he lies, he must speak truth (in their eyes). Puleeeze!!! If he was sure that God had called him, but felt it necessary to impress men by lying about his credentials, or lack of them, why did he lie about it?

Or, do the am people believe he DOES have a doctorate in theology or anything else from an accredited college or university? If they are not sure, I call am a master of trickery and deceit, certainly not called of God. And if these people either don't care one way or another about who they choose to follow, I'd hate to be with them when God tells them 'a heart of gold' is not a prerequisite for righteousness.

As hard as watchm tries, his head knowledge before faith is not righteousness nor acceptable to the Lord.

[godchild (godchild)]

Sammy, You have studied with am for 10? years, was it? And you became offended when someone said you were a follower of his. What does this make you? Just someone you enjoy sharing your views with? A friend? Or another liar?

[godchild (godchild)]

Was that a freudian slip when you described yourself as a CHRISTman. That would be a really unusual thing for a woman to say, even accidentally. Who is Sammy?
(1) studied with am for ten years.
(2) claims to be a CHRISTman, woman.
(3) not a follower of am.
(4) expresses his views here.
Call it intuition, not psychic.

[sammy (sammy)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Was that a freudian slip when you described yourself as a CHRISTman. That would be a really unusual thing for a woman to say, even accidentally. Who is Sammy?

>>> ChristMAN as huMAN. A follower of Yashuah The Christ. I am a woman. Why is it unusual to call myself a human? What are you?

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif he is a proven liar and words it in a way that his followers don't see him as a liar at all, but as one who has received 'new or added' revelation from God, so that no matter how he lies, he must speak truth (in their eyes).

>>> In 10 years I haven't heard him say he has 'new or added' anything. It would seem it is you who is lying about him

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif (3) not a follower of am.

>>> I follow NO man. I follow Yashuah The Christ!


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif (4) expresses his views here.

>>> I express MY views. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp? Do YOU only parrot others views?


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifCall it intuition, not psychic.

>>> How have you come to the conclusion that he has 'built himself up to me', as having credentials? Are you psychic?

The question was *How have you come to the conclusion that he has 'built himself up to me'*

YOU have NO idea what he has or has not built himself up to me as.

Can you read?

Now either you are psychic or just slinging mud to see what will stick, since I know there is no such thing as psychic ability guess into which catagory I think you fall?

[sammy (sammy)]

godchild. I've read a few more of your posts and I think your tinfoil hat is a little too snug.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

And btw, I read somewhere that they enhance the ability for *the signals* to penetrate your brain, so you may wish to rethink it.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

Signed, The Big Gun. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

[godchild (godchild)]

You keep providing the mud, I'll have to keep slinging it.
Please do keep reading my posts.

[watchman_2 (watchman_2)]

godchild,

You are so funny with your 'pea shooter' comment. You have been getting beaten pretty bad everywhere you go by almost every SC student. Yet, you seem to think you are doing well. Ha! Ha!

[godchild (godchild)]

Tossing childish insults, inserting clipart and lots of lol's are supposed to be beating me. Honey, you have no idea what I have survived. Dealing with the likes of you is always a pleasure. You consistently show your true spirit, which is like looking into a dark abyss. You are so easy once your underbelly is exposed.

[watchman_2 (watchman_2)]

Please let me know what my soft underbelly is?

So far, you haven't made a point or presented a scriptural argument.

[godchild (godchild)]

A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

Philippians 3:18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ; whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who set their mind on earthly things. For our citizenship is in heaven.....

Proverbs 8:5 O you simple ones, understand prudence, And you fools, be of an understanding heart.
vs. 8 All the words of my mouth are with righteousness; Nothing crooked or perverse is in them.
vs. 17 I love those that love me, And those who seek me diligently will find me.
vs. 8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;
Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you. vs. 12 If you are wise, you are wise for yourself, And if you scoff, you will bear it alone.

[godchild (godchild)]

watchman, I did not say your underbelly was SOFT; you did. We are in agreement there.

[watchman_2 (watchman_2)]

godchild, no doubt about that! Ha! Ha! Need to get to the gym more often. But, since you brought up the underbelly issue, perhaps you can let us know how we can be exposed.

I can imagine that you walk around with a constant frown on your face -- its those damn demon-possessed SC supporters ruining your life.

[godchild (godchild)]

Not at all. In fact, I have spent most of my day communicating with people who want to help those poor souls who lost loved ones in the Philippine mudslides.

Cults come and go. My life isn't affected much. I do love what I consider my mission to expose groups like sc, though. As you consider yourself a disciple of Christ, wouldn't you do the same?
If I can help one person to see truth, it is all worth while.

[godchild (godchild)]

May I ask about your work here. Do you find it rewarding? It must be frustrating as I haven't seen one person ask for information how to purchase tapes or books by am and sc. Your work is really cut out for you. And such a waste.

[godchild (godchild)]

Mmm! I forgot john. He seems to be interested. Has anyone of you answered his fleur-des-lis question? Maybe you understand what he is talking about.

[watchman_2 (watchman_2)]

godchild,

I do not read or respond to john cody parker's posts.

My work here is very rewarding for God blesses me tremendously for my efforts.

I do know that there are objective people whom can see that they were taught wrong by their church and bought into false theology. My dear wife was an ardent 'rapture' believer when I met her. She was also messed up with other false theology -- just like you.

You all forget that most SC followers were once in the same churches that you still support. They had the common sense to realize superior theology and to dump the false stuff.

Hope springs eternal -- so, I even have hope for you!

[watchman_2 (watchman_2)]

godchild,

There are some that check SC out for themselves, even though they do not support the teachings. When they do, they realize the stuff posted on the anti-SC sites is a bunch of lies. I appreciate their integrity to not take part in gossip/bearing false witness. I believe Bear has watched a few broadcasts.

[godchild (godchild)]

As I have explained, I have read am teachings, heard his broadcasts, and if your beliefs stated here, which agree with his, are any example, then I am correct in that you follow the teachings of something besides the Holy Bible. You may think I have no integrity, but I do not care what you think. Your thinking is not reliable. I can smell rascism a mile away. I lived around it all my life. You do not believe in my God. Your god is painted as one of plural creators. There is One God. The only creation is His. Yours is not theology. It is the same heresy Christians have been fighting since Jesus Christ came to earth. Yours is a losing battle. God forgive you for taking your family with you.

[godchild (godchild)]

Am received no new revelation from God. He uses other men's teachings, another serpent seed teacher, a man who died years before he was born. He is a liar AND a thief, a plagaerist, stealing another man's words, and calling them his own. He is a fraud.

[sammy (sammy)]

godchild,

>>> your manic postings here are pathetic. Your OCD is MORE than apparent to me. Your compulsion to steer (control?) others religious activities is sad to watch.

What's with that compulsion?

The absolute best woman, the most Godly I've ever known, was of a group who shouted and jumped around as though electrocuted. I grew up living next door to her and to THIS day I have NEVER heard her say a bad word about anyone for any reason, the kindest sweetest person I've ever known. I've never seen her turn one away who was in need of help. Should I consider it my 'mission' to tell her where she is worshiping incorrectly?

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif I can smell racism a mile away.

>>> I can smell a race baiter 5 miles away. *sniff-sniff*. Yup, just what I thought!! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif As I have explained, I have read am teachings,

>>> You've READ his teachings? I don't suppose you'd be good enough to tell us all WHERE you've read such a thing?

[sammy (sammy)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif You keep providing the mud, I'll have to keep slinging it.

>>> Slinging mud? YOU? hahahahahaha! You're like a small child stomping in very shallow mud puddles thinking you're affecting the ocean levels. Just not the way it is, junior!


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifPlease do keep reading my posts.

>>> Ummmm, don't think so, sonny, playing with my naval would be more highly rated in importance!

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif I do love what I consider my mission to expose groups like sc, though. As you consider yourself a disciple of Christ, wouldn't you do the same?

>>> Uhhhh, nope, I'd read my Father's word and see where he said to plant a seed and walk away. If it grows it is HE who has made it sprout and grow, NOT ME, or YOU. HE makes it grow.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifIf I can help one person to see truth, it is all worth while.

>>> You REALLY have a GIANT opinion of your self don't you? Are you french? Maybe meds for that OCD would help you...

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Am received no new revelation from God.

>>> Why, no, no he hasn't. Nor has he EVER said he has. Keep playing in mud pies thinking you're REALLY serving Father. Cheeeeeeesh!

Picture of OCD godchild: http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif
http://x2.putfile.com/7/19211224864.gif

[rueben (rueben)]

Godchild,

You're never going to get anywhere doing this with these people. May I humbly suggest just letting these folks have this thread to themselves? I can empathize with your concerns with this sect. However you’re not going to change their minds. In the meantime with the going back and forth you letting your spirit get vexed.

It’s obvious to anyone after reading the last post is they don’t have any Christian charity and like to mock naysayers. I myself will refuse to converse directly with them anymore. I just thought I would come back here to talk to you and ask you just to let it go. Oh, I know what they’ll say after you’re gone. They’ll congratulate each other for a job well done, so what? Let them.

[godchild (godchild)]

Thank you for the good advice, rueben. God bless you.

[godchild (godchild)]

<font color="ff0000"><font size="+1">Please view the cartoon an shepherd's chapel follower posted here as a description of those Christians who do not agree with their false doctrines! Scan up to sammy's post.

This is inflammatory and as unchristian as I have ever seen. The Lord is my strength and my salvation. In whom shall I fear!</font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

If anyone is able to find the link to the webpage that publishes this kind of horror, please share this information on factnet as a warning to others.
I consider this to be a personal threat, a civil rights violation (freedom of speech), and totally and completely inappropriate. If people are allowed to use such vicious tactics to silence those who do not agree with them, where does this end?

[rachellengland (rachellengland)]

Sammy what the heck is wrong with you???? This is awful and uncalled for, I couldn't even watch the whole thing you violent fool! This is what you do to people who disagree with you-come on what would do if you had met godchild in the flesh-blow her brains out??? This just goes to show the real Arnold Murray followers be careful folks don't disagree with this foolish group...R

[godchild (godchild)]

Rachel, thank you and God bless you for having the courage to speak out.

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

godchild, rachellengland,

What you have seen is, as they say' 'sauce for the goose'. You guys ain’t seen nothin’ yet. You continue to confront them and they will do anything. I mean anything. Be warned.

[dowen (dowen)]

Here is a link to the site that has offended you so much GC.

http://putfile.com/

(I am no computer expert, but it seems "Sammy" uploaded that cartoon him/herself... so it's not exactly the website "publishing" the nonsense...)

I watched the cartoon, and it was funny 'til the little dude went totally beserk, then it became disgusting. Maybe "Sammy" didn't watch the entire cartoon, before posting it...hopefully.

[dowen (dowen)]

Oh, and remember how mad the Muslims got over a cartoon?
Maybe we have been given a chance to show at least a handful of people a better way of dealing with offensive silliness...

Blessings,
DOwen.

[nikita (nikita)]

Sammy, regarding your cartoon to Godchild,

Are you nuts??? This is how you people from Arnold Murray's camp treat people? How dare you treat anyone this way.

Ya know, I have heard stories, about people who have written articles about Arnold Murray. I have heard that they have been threatened and more.

I didn't want to believe that those stories were true, but after your horrible display towards someone who disagrees with you, I can only conclude that they MUST be true.

Sammy, that was more than despicable.

I really think everyone should report this to factnet.

Godchild, please message me on the other board.

(Message edited by nikita on February 20, 2006)

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

There are those that go too far and are extremists in every belief system, whether it be Christian, Muslim, etc...and every denomination.

We are not all lumped together. I do not agree with that kind of humour as I do not believe that Christ would have approved of a thing like that. My opinion may or may not be that of the majority, as we all have free will to say what we want. I do not agree with the cartoon and think it was in bad taste...after the first 5 seconds so maybe what dowen said is true....maybe sammy didn't watch the whole thing....maybe...maybe not!

[david_munson (david_munson)]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Qoute,"You all forget that most SC followers were once in the same churches that you still support. They had the common sense to realize superior theology and to dump the false stuff."
---
And there it is!
Superior theology.The claim that Sc has it all and that all others are off.

This is the very claim that Christians and others should be alarmed about.
Superior theology which is another way of saying "we are right,have special knowledge and everyone else is wrong."

Am and Sc are very special.
If you like deception,lies and false teachers.

I have heard with my own ears AM's claim to "special revelation."
That is a big red light.

</font>}

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

could you explain that dave?

I have heard many claims about AM that have yet to be proven. Anyone can post anything or create a website that claims incorrect ideals, but proof....I have yet to see it, so far it is hearsay and nothing more.

[fooled_no_more (fooled_no_more)]

Sammy,

I don't know you (PTL!), nor will I address you specifically again.

I just wanted to tell you that that so-called cartoon is a despicable example of what you and your twisted kind believe. How dare you!

You are no more an example of Christian love, tolerance, so on, than Stalin or Hitler.

I rebuke you!

[franklin (franklin)]

Yes, I rebuke you too in the name of Christ. Get behind me satan.

[watchman_2 (watchman_2)]

Dave Munson is an Apologetic that thinks that he and his [anti]christian research group knows it all. Look at the original SC thread. He cuts and pastes the verbiage of others and then disappears before he can address the rebuttals.

I commonly refer to such people as internet defecators.

The fact is that SC chapel supports do believe that Pastor Murray speaks to the truth of God's word. Though no man knows it all, it is clear that PM's teachings make far more sense then the teachings that come out of the fundamentalist churches.

[sharon (sharon)]

One who does not follow Christ is not a Christian no matter what they call themselves. Would Christ resort to such childish behavior? Or such evil. They are living in fear of the faith of others and unsure of their own path. If they were stong in their faith there would be no need to attack the faith of others.

[sammy (sammy)]

godchild IMMEDIATELY began with ASSumptions about me and proceeded to voice what she has NO way of proving. But hey, THAT is Christian with you folks, right? Right? <--- another question.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Please view the cartoon an shepherd's chapel follower posted here as a description of those Christians who do not agree with their false doctrines!

godchild, the CARTOON (it IS only a CARTOON people) was in no way intended as a description of all those who believe differently than I or The Shepherds Chapel. It was intended strictly for YOU. It came to mind seeing your numerous manic post about a subject of which YOU have -0- knowledge!

YOU insult a newbie and when they give back what they were given and YOU become offended. YOU falsely accuse Pastor Murray and when asked for PROOF YOU become offended. (and I will add offer NO PROOF)

You nor anyone else have offered PROOF about the things you say about Pastor Murray when asked for it, you just keep accusing.

Why is that? QUESTION

Do you or don't you have proof? QUESTION

If you REPEAT a thing about someone and have no proof is that bearing false witness about a man? QUESTION

Or only gossip? QUESTION

Are those things Christian behavior? QUESTION

Perhaps any of you will be kind enough to point me to a scripture that says you are to insult a new comer about his/her beliefs then attempt to force feed him/her YOUR set of beliefs? I'd be really interested in seeing that.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[nikita (nikita)]

...Sammy...come on now...
Standing up for yourself is one thing, but showing those who disagree with you, as despicable disgusting cartoons...is quite another.
Thats really kind of an evil little cartoon.
Do you like those sort of things?

That was much more than an insult to Godchild.
That was uncalled for...and inexcusable, and you know it.
If you don't know it.....well.... then you REALLY,REALLY, need to pray.

(Message edited by nikita on February 21, 2006)

[sammy (sammy)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Sammy, regarding your cartoon to Godchild,

Are you nuts??? This is how you people from Arnold Murray's camp treat people? How dare you treat anyone this way.

>>> any more offensive than, ooooh say calling someone nuts? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Ya know, I have heard stories, about people who have written articles about Arnold Murray. I have heard that they have been threatened and more.

>>> Any proof of this? QUESTION Or more gossip? QUESTION

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif I didn't want to believe that those stories were true, but after your horrible display towards someone who disagrees with you, I can only conclude that they MUST be true.

>>> How very odd that you failed to see the insults toward ME. Naaaaaaaaaaah, not odd at all. Just kidding! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Sammy, that was more than despicable.

>>> What part of C A R T O O N do you people fail to understand?

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif I really think everyone should report this to factnet.

>>> Ooooh okay now I get it. You all are a bunch of goody two shoes right? Think I'll be banned? I'd be CRUSHED if that were the case. hehehehehehehe!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

[sammy (sammy)]

2 entries found for cartoon.
car·toon Audio pronunciation of "cartoon" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kär-tn)
n.

1.
1. A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
2. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.


v. car·tooned, car·toon·ing, car·toons
v. tr.

To draw a humorous or satirical representation of; caricature.


v. intr.

To make humorous or satirical drawings.

>>> I hope this helps those who don't understand CARTOON.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif

[sammy (sammy)]

And for those of you who fail to grasp the word SATIRE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

3 entries found for SATIRE.
sat·ire Audio pronunciation of "SATIRE" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (str)
n.

1.
1. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
2. The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.
2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.


[Latin satira, probably alteration (influenced by Greek satur, satyr, and saturos, burlesque of a mythical episode), of (lanx) satura, fruit (plate) mixture, from feminine of satur, sated, well-fitted. See s- in Indo-European Roots.]

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SATIRE

n : witty language used to convey insults or scorn; "he used sarcasm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid"; "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Johathan Swift [syn: sarcasm, irony, caustic remark]

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[rachellengland (rachellengland)]

keep trying sammy-you know you were wrong fess up fool...

[sammy (sammy)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif keep trying sammy-you know you were wrong fess up fool...

>>> Ahhh, more self righteous behavior from a goody two shoes. LOL! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

fool, is that a new Christian word? Ooooh the hypocrisy! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

I will 'fess up' to this... hip boots are required to avoid the ummmmmm, self righteous hypocrisy, yeah, that's what it is self righteous hypocrisy on this site! ROTF! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[godchild (godchild)]

sammy, I apologise to you for my first response to you. It was unfair of me, and I prejudged you. I admit I used you to mock the sc people. Please forgive me.
If you can't or won't, I just ask that you do not respond to my posts, as I will do the same for you.

[rachellengland (rachellengland)]

sammy, if you hang around factnet long enough kiddo you'll find rachellengland isn't a goody two-shoes!! But I can admit when I've made a mistake-violent humour is never acceptable!

Good idea gc

(Message edited by rachellengland on February 21, 2006)

[godchild (godchild)]

rachel, I saw quite awhile ago that while you like innocent teasing, your heart is in the right place, and I'm not saying that because you have stood behind me here.

[rachellengland (rachellengland)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif thanks gc

[sammy (sammy)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif sammy, I apologise to you for my first response to you. It was unfair of me, and I prejudged you. I admit I used you to mock the sc people. Please forgive me.
If you can't or won't, I just ask that you do not respond to my posts, as I will do the same for you.

>>> Absolutely I accept your appology. I would, however, ask you what brought about your acquiescence?

And I offer you my apology, as well.

I IN NO WAY intended to convey any kind of threat to ANYONE by posting the cartoon,

IT'S A CARTOON, people!?!?!?

*** 5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation:

Well, at least you all didn't go out and set the earth on fire because of it!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif but I can admit when I've made a mistake-violent humour is never acceptable!

rachellengland who appointed YOU to pronounce what is and isn't acceptable on this site?

I have seen here that the MURDER OF BABIES IN THE WOMB apparently ISN'T violent to you? And YOU have the audacity to 'preach' VIOLENCE over a CARTOON? LOL!

Were you deprived of The Roadrunner cartoon as a child?

Why not drop the Politically Correct BAG OF FECES and try laughing? Pry your lips back away from your teeth and go HA HA. That is called LAUGH.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

P.S. You people aren't big on spelling are you? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

By thier fruits you shall know them.

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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Watchman_2,
"Dave Munson is an Apologetic that thinks that he and his [anti]christian research group knows it all. Look at the original SC thread. He cuts and pastes the verbiage of others and then disappears before he can address the rebuttals."
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Anti-christian?
Nice try but your as wrong as wrong gets.

As for disappearing,I don't sit here on this thread all day long waiting for an answer.
This is a forum not an IM service.

I come back now and again to see what has been posted.
I tell you this because you don't seem to realise it or you are just using it as a diversion from the topic.I don't know you'd have to confirm that for me.

I have heard with <u>my</u> own ears AM say that he is sent of God for this generation.
To quote a famous man,"believe it or not."

I have serious issues with the doctrines of AM and his twisted concepts that are taken out of context for whatever reason he does it.

If you choose to insult me,go for it I don't care nor will it offend me.
I'm not saying that you have tried to insulted me.
There is a tendency to use insults when a persons debate begins to break down.
No accusation though just an observation that can be made on many threads.

It's good to see agreeable disagreement though and I applaud those who choose to converse in such manner.

God bless and keep you well,
Dave
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[david_munson (david_munson)]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Oh and Watchman,
I most certainly do not know it all.Far from it.
The more I learn,the more I realise just how little I really do know.

I make mistakes like anyone else and can readily admit it.
I think it will take eternity to learn everything.
Yes?

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[sammy (sammy)]

david_munson

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif "Dave Munson is an Apologetic that thinks that he and his [anti]christian research group knows it all.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Anti-christian?
Nice try but your as wrong as wrong gets.

>>> Dave, would you please post a link to you christian research group? Thanks! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif I have serious issues with the doctrines of AM and his twisted concepts that are taken out of context for whatever reason he does it.

>>> How can one take something out of context when teaching chapter by chapter and verse by verse? I'd really appreciate your posting an example of this. Thanks!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif I have heard with my own ears AM say that he is sent of God for this generation.

>>> What's wrong with knowing who you are in Christ? After studying and teaching The Word for over 50 years, closer to 60 now, shouldn't you know what God expects from you?

Thanks in advance for your answers. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[david_munson (david_munson)]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
You're welcome.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

"Dave Munson is an Apologetic that thinks that he and his [anti]christian research group knows it all."
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I don't belong to a research group.

Anti-christian?
Nice try but your as wrong as wrong gets.

>>> Dave, would you please post a link to you christian research group? Thanks!
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See above.
I do check out a whole bunch of research sites though but I'm not connected with them.

I have serious issues with the doctrines of AM and his twisted concepts that are taken out of context for whatever reason he does it.

>>> How can one take something out of context when teaching chapter by chapter and verse by verse? I'd really appreciate your posting an example of this. Thanks!
---
Serpent seed being represented as a result of satan having sex with Eve.

I have heard with my own ears AM say that he is sent of God for this generation.

>>> What's wrong with knowing who you are in Christ? After studying and teaching The Word for over 50 years, closer to 60 now, shouldn't you know what God expects from you?
---
I agree that aperson should know their call but not in the light of a "special" messenger for the age they live in.
That is a warning sign that things are not quite right.

Also he has stated several times that he is right and all of mainstream Christianity is off.
He reflects a mentality of superiority above others.
Another red light.

I know that we disagree but thank you for being agreeable through it.

I have over a hundred sites for study,research and prophecy.I'm not a member or connected with them.

Hope that gives you the answers you seek.

Be well and trust Jesus.
Dave

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[sammy (sammy)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif >>> What's wrong with knowing who you are in Christ? After studying and teaching The Word for over 50 years, closer to 60 now, shouldn't you know what God expects from you?
---
I agree that aperson should know their call but not in the light of a "special" messenger for the age they live in.
That is a warning sign that things are not quite right.

>>> He has NEVER stated that he and he alone is a special messenger. Thinking about it, I've never heard him say he is a special messenger. Do you believe that Father has special messengers? If not, how do you explain The Remenant and The Elect written of in The Word?

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Also he has stated several times that he is right and all of mainstream Christianity is off.
He reflects a mentality of superiority above others.
Another red light.

>>> He has NEVER said any such thing. I have heard him MANY times say that there are many good Bible teaching Churches out here. I have also heard him say an equal number of times that there are churches who haven't a clue what God's Word really says and spend most of their time begging for money (which he NEVER does). I agree 100% with that statement but I did way before I ever heard of The Shepherds Chapel

[sammy (sammy)]

continued:

I personally disagree with him about many good Bible teaching Churches, I personally called every church in my town, population over a million, asking if they taught the rapture THEORY (the word THEORY should give one a pretty good clue). One said they could teach it either way (???????) the rest said they did and one said proudly they were teaching the left behind series right then. (?????)

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif He reflects a mentality of superiority above others.

>>> Perhaps you didn't mean to say he reflects it. That indicates that he IS of superior mentality.

Did you mean that he gives the impression of superiority?

During the last half hour of most of his broadcasts, during the Q&amp;A portion, people who write or call in questions thank him for his teaching and he NEVER fails to give the glory and credit to The Lord and states that it's HIS Word not him who brings understanding, without fail.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif I do check out a whole bunch of research sites though but I'm not connected with them.

I don't depend on any man, group or groups. I study with the Green's Interlinear Bible, King James Version and Strongs Concordance. Sometimes a Smith's Bible Dictionary. With what do you study?

I appreciate the amenable conversation and your answers. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[sammy (sammy)]

Oh and by the way...

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Serpent seed being represented as a result of satan having sex with Eve.

>>> How do you explain The Parable of The Tares, Mathew 13?

Or;
John 8:43-45 (King James Version)(KJV)

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, (((Who was the first murderer?))) and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Thanks again in advance for your answers!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

Some intend to spiritualize this away....
Saying that is was not physical but spiritual

All we can do is plant seeds and hope that God waters them and makes them grow. The SC followers have been down this road many times with those who follow these threads.

Everyones opinion is valid, and should be respected, even if we disagree. Free will and all! We can all learn from each other

[sammy (sammy)]

ezekiel, I can imagine what you say is truth. I've never been on one of these sites and don't remember what link I followed to get to this one. I was a bit surprised to be attacked immediately upon my first post.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif But by the Grace Of God there go I.

Have you ever been to Passover or the Fall Gathering? I have come close several times, even had plane tickets (non refundable) and reservations and came down with the flu. My job is such that I can take off when ever I want but then I have to face the mess others have made of my office when I return! ONE of these days I'M GOING!!!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

Probably won't be around here much longer. I much prefer to spend my time in The Word, rather than arguing over It.

God Bless you and yours and thanks for the info.

P.S. I'm not QUITE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif the monster that some here acted like I was, BUT I WILL stand up for myself, as our old Pastor says, Christians aren't second class citizens.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

Only been with SC for a couple of years, so not yet...
But one day, God willing, if it all doesn't CHANGE before then...

Peace
c

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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Sammy,">>> How do you explain The Parable of The Tares, Mathew 13?"
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When a person is born from above (born again) they become a new creation in Christ.They are in effect adopted by the Father because of the person placing their trust in the Son's shed Blood.

To reject the sacrafice of the Son is to remain lost.People who are lost are of the kingdom of this world,which belongs to satan.

The tares are those who have no relationship with the Son.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
He never knew them.They never had a living relationship with Him.

God's Love to you,
Dave

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[abiyah (abiyah)]

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DAVID MUNSON WROTE:
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QUOTE: " The tares are those who have no relationship with the Son.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. " END QUOTE
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Afternoon Mr. Munson !

Not so brother... please listen.... not to me, to The Word, these people that Christ is addressing were INDEED Christians... read it again... they are pleading with Him Mr. Munson... they are pleading with to Him... Lord, have we NOT prophesied in THY NAME... prophesied=meaning teach... they were teachers of God's Word, they shared The Gospel, they THOUGHT they were doing the right thing, EXAMPLE.... they did NOT realize that teaching the rapture was wrong ? They did not realize that God is AGIANST those that teach His Children to fly to save their souls.. SEE THEN Ezekiel 13:20. And they say unto Him.... Lord, have we NOT cast out devils... IN THY NAME, In Jesus Christ Name, do you SEE there that these are Christans.... they were working for Him, and they say into Him... And Lord... IN THY NAME, we have done many wonderful works... I mean they built churches, they feed the hungry, they went to third world countries and dug wells.... YET THEY DID SOMETHING VERY WRONG IF CHRIST IS TELLING THEM TO GET AWAY FROM HIM !!!!! This is SERIOUS !

**** Please continued below in all sincerity! </font></font></font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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*** Continued from ABOVE...please !

Mr. Munson.. please look at those Scriptures you have quoted and that what you have said they mean. It's The Lord's Day... for Christ has said "in that day".... what day ? The Lord's Day. So then let us look at the real problem here ? They IN ignorance have worshipped the spurious messiah.. thinking he was Jesus Christ returned... they never read WITH understanding II Thessalonians 2:1-12, they missed the FACT that Christ does NOT return until "AFTER"... I repeat AFTER !!!!! The son of perdition, stands in the temple of God CLAIMING TO BE God, SEE Ezekiel chapter 28, See Mark 13.. he is the abmoniatioon of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, the fake christ comes at the SIXTH TRUMP, The True Christ DOES NOT return UNTIL the SEVENTH TRUMP, and this is how Christ becomes a stumbling block for many Christians. And one does not need to be a scholar to know and understand that six comes BEFORE seven. These verses in which you have quoted are after the SEVENTH TRUMP has sounded Christ has returned.. we are IN The Lord's Day at this time. These here are pleading with Him, because they have been deceived by satan, and they worshipped the false christ "thinking" he was Jesus Christ returned. They had GREATLY ERRed, they never really got around to teaching His Word, chapter by chapter, verse by verse, line by line, precept by precept. But rather they taught the traditions and the false doctrines of men, which make God's Word to none effect. And that is why Christ is telling them to DEPART FROM ME ! They worked iniquity when they taught the traditions of men, that lead God's Children right into satans arms as he played the role of the instead of christ. and they also were deceived. They will go through The Lord's Day, they SHALL learn to be discipled IN God's Word and NOT MANS tradtions ! II Peter 3:8. Please Mr. Munson... check these Scriptures out for yourself..... Father wants you to know and understand this. You do NOT want to end up in this group; no one that loves God's Word does.

God Bless,


Abiyah</font></font></font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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SAMMY WROTE:
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QUOTE: " Probably won't be around here much longer. I much prefer to spend my time in The Word, rather than arguing over It. " END QUOTE
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Afternoon to you as well SAMMY !

I know you love my big red letters so I thought I would treat you to them this afternoon... LOL ! [now, I am merely being sarcastic because you commented on them in another thread.... and well, you made me laugh ! lol...lol ]

But anywhooo....... please feel free to send me an e-mail at XXXXXXX@***.com; I will send you the link(s) to were you can fellowship, and discuss God's Word with others who know and understand our Father's Word such as yourself. Yup we talk about going to The Passover, as well as Fall fellowship, we discuss Current Events 2006, The Deadly Wound, etc.; we discuss pretty much anything and eerything ! LOL ! You will indeed find all of your fellowlabourers IN Christ who also Study God's Word along with The Shepherd's Chapel, and enjoy and love the teachings of God's Word therein. And well, I was thinking...you have said that you have never been to one of these sites, and you have said that you can't even remember the link in which you follwed to get to this forum, yet "perhaps" and I do mean " maybe "...... just maybe Father lead you here so you would know were to find those that know &amp; understand God's Word as you do my friend, who enjoy studying God's Word ALONG WITH The Shepherd's Chapel. Maybe this may be why you were lead here???... Although, that is something you must discern for yourself.... why you were lead to FACTnet.

And I do agree, as I'm sure you do too... EVERY day IS a good day.. even with trouble... and I know you know why this is Sammy ...... BECAUSE JESUS IS THE LIVING WORD ! YES !

God Bless,


Abiyah </font></font></font>

(Message edited by Abiyah on February 23, 2006)

(Message edited by abiyah on March 07, 2006)

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Very good explaination Abiyah!</font>

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

<font color="0000ff">This is obviously speaking about Christians. Chrsitians are the only ones who WANT to work for the Lord, it certainly isn't speaking of those who follow other religions. So common sense should show that Christ is speaking to Christians.</font>

cont...

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Like Abiyah showed, they (Christians) are pleading with our Lord. I mean, they thought they were doing our Father's work. They healed the sick, fed people, gave clothing, shelter, and they prophesied (taught) in his name. But Christ is wroth with them. Why? Why does he tell these Christians to get out of his sight, he never knew them?

Because they were prophesing, teaching, feeding people lies of our Father's word. Some do it in ignorance, but they still do it. Is it not a pastor's job to feed his sheep? But many today don't! They don't truly teach our Father's word only man's traditions. They are suppose to prepare the people for the coming of satan, the antichrist, the spurious Messiah, instead of Jesus. But they do not teach this. They teach the rapture, we are going to been gone, we are going to fly away. Some don't even teach the book of Revelations, for they say we are going to be gone and it isn't meant to be understood. The very word it's self, Revelation, means to "uncover, reveal". They are going against God's word teaching this, God said in</font> Ezekiel 13: I hate those who teach my people to fly to save their souls.

cont...

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Our people are starving, there is no truth taught. They say they fed the hungry. They do lie! Don't be surprised by this, our Father said this would be happening:</font>
Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amo 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

<font color="0000ff">What could God be talking about? I mean look around you, in America we have churches all over the place! These churches are void of truth, there is no truth taught, no green food, no pasture. Our people are starving to death. Physical food is for the body, God's word is food for our soul. They are spiritually starving to death!

WAKE UP PEOPLE! Satan is coming first, he will be the first supernatural being to appear on the scene, it will NOT be Jesus. The rapture teaching will lead many to the first surpernatural being thinking he is Christ. It will not be Christ, it will be satan himself. He is the son of perdition. Satan comes at the 6th trump, seal, vial...666. Jesus does not return until the 7th trump. 6 comes before 7, satan comes before Jesus.

God is building and army, we are to be soldiers. What do you think the gospel armor is for? The gospel armor is not a Jet Pack to fly us out of here! The Gospel Armor is God's word, his truth. God's truth is how we escape the antichrist's lies, satan's lies, the flood which spews from his mouth, REV.12.</font>

cont...

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">In Jeremiah, the King of Babyon was coming to take Judah captive. Jeremiah was prophecying this but the priests were saying, no no no, this is not going to happen. We are not going to be taken captive. These were the religous people, the priests going against God's word. God said they were going into captivity! But the priests said they weren't! So it is today. The King of Babylon is coming and we are going into captivity. But we have pastors saying, no we won't be here for the reign of the antichrist, for we are going to be gone. God gave us examples to follow. What can I say, nothing new under the sun!

Wake up! There is no rapture!

Agape,
terluvire</font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifGood Afternoon Terri !

Great post as it holds MUCH Truth that is IN The Word of God ! Christ is The Living Word of God... John 1:1; ALL of it, not just some of it. He His that Bread of Life, THIS IS THE BREAD That man MUST HAVE to live ! Spiritually speaking, of course. Look and HEAR THUS SAITH THE LORD "your" God.

Jeremiah 14:14
" Then The LORD SAID unto me, " The prophets prophecy LIES [ making these particular prophets false teachers/preacher of God's Word] in My Name; I sent them NOT [ These are not ones sent forth of God ], NEITHER have I commanded them, NEITHER spake unto them; they prophecy unto you a FALSE vision and divination, and a thing of NOUGHT, and the deceit of their heart.

**** They teach out of their own mind, if God DID NOT send them forth, they are NOT lead by The Holy Spirit... even though they "claim" to be. It's easy to test ones fruits do they are do they NOT teach God's Word. You can read Jeremiah chapter 14 for yourself... THINK spiritually when you read through that chapter... and recall that which even Paul told you, that chosen vessel of The Lord, that ALL THESE things which happened in the past were ensamples for our WARNING ! It is important to OBEY THE LORD'S VOICE, WALK IN HIS WAYS THAT HE HATH COMMANDED you, and it SHALL be well with you. In that you will NOTbe deceived by the spurious messiah IF you listen to God, and put AWAY the traditions/doctrines of men.

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

What is the definition of a Christian. A believer, follower of Jesus Christ. There will/have come who pretend (the wolves in sheep's clothes) to be Christians but who are not, and are able to draw followers away from the truth. Those false preachers, teachers will be shamed. Those who fell for their words, and not the Word of God, will also be shamed.
These people are ones who come amongst Christians (look familiar on these sc threads) to draw away true Christians away from the Lord Jesus Christ. They have brought dissention, false doctrine, amongst the sheep pretending to be sheep, but are the wolves in sheep's clothing.
They try to detract from themselves and especially their leader by placing the evil on the Kenites, claiming they are satan's children. They speak about the Nicolaitanes as evil people. The Nicolaitanes are not named in the Bible as a people, it is the definition of a heretic, not a people; a group teaching moral laxity. Nicao-to conquer, under control; laos meaning the people, the laity (members of the congregation).
They have formed a networking operation based on collegiality, (book learning which we found is not exclusive for them, but available to all), rather than the scripture.

[godchild (godchild)]

They do not speak of evil men in all nations, but only one. The one they can link to the Jews, the Kenites. Why do they never warn of the beasts of Ephesus, the wolves of Ephesus; or the numerous other evil people in all nations.
It can be for no other reason than to make people look at all Jews in suspicion. This is evident because they admit, they don't really know which ones are the 'evil Kenites' amongst the Jews. Where does that leave people but looking suspiciously AT ALL JEWS. This is false doctrine, hate-doctrine clothed with linen.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Luk 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

<font color="0000ff">As soon as a seed of truth is sown, someone, a bird comes and scoops it up and devours it with their lies! This is what you do godchild, though I truly don't know if you do it in ignorance or intentionally. Only God knows for he is the "heart knower." But I will pray for you godchild. I truly don't think you want Christ to tell you to get out of his sight for he never knew you. Becareful of what you are teaching.</font>

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

<font color="0000ff">Christ is speaking to the Scribes and Pharasies here, the religious folk. All they teach is the doctorine of man and make void the word of God.</font>

Mat 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
<font color="0000ff">Christ called the religious leaders blind. So be not surprised if it is still like this today.</font>

cont....

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Jer 11:18 And the LORD hath given me knowledge of it, and I know it: then thou shewedst me their doings.
Jer 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
Jer 11:20 But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.
Jer 11:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD of the men of Anathoth (this was a priest's city), that seek thy life, saying, Prophesy not in the name of the LORD, that thou die not by our hand:

<font color="0000ff">These good old religious people were looking to kill Jeremiah because he prophecied they were going into captivity by the King of Babylon. These religious leaders were saying it's not going to happen. Same today, almost all say we're are not going into captivity, we are going to be raptured away. God says different.</font>

Luk 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Luk 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

<font color="0000ff">Christ will come when most won't be expecting it for they will think he is already here. They will think satan is Jesus.</font>

cont...

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! <font color="0000ff">This is when satan is cast out of heaven...Rev.12 He will be playing Jesus.</font>
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. {he wants to be God. He will be playing the role of Jesus}
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

<font color="0000ff">God refers to satan as a man ISA14:16. Satan is male. He will be here on earth claiming to be Jesus and the whole world will wonder after the beast except for the elect. The elect will be delivered up and God will speak through them with cloven tongues. This is when the gospel is preached through out the world. Because of God's testimony, many will come out of Babylon at that time:</font>

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.


<font color="0000ff">There is no rapture!

terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

terlu, You say satan is male. Have you ever heard of nuts and bolts. The bolts are male. So you have seen this man, satan, I presume. I mean, he's been around for thousands of years, tempting people, causing all kinds of destruction and pain, so he must be a man, right? Would you please describe what he looks like for us. Does he wear a suit, or is he a shorts and tea shirt kind of guy.
How many other men do you know who have lived so long? I'll give you a few minutes if you want to tell us then I'll be back to answer your statement.

[godchild (godchild)]

Not ready yet? I was going to ask if you think he wears the red tights and has little horns and a long tail with a forked end, and fire coming out of his mouth, but I am hoping you are not this ignorant.
Oh, when you give your description, can you tell us what color he is while you're at it. I think millions of people have been wanting to know. Ya know, is he black, red, yellow, brown, or maybe even white?

[godchild (godchild)]

terlu, No answer. No explanation. I thought you were here to share your knowledge of the scriptures with us. Surely, you've had time to look at your library of am tapes. Surely, as a man of God who speaks for God, if he's teaching that satan is a man, he's seen him or at least can tell you what he looks like so you can prepare yourself. NO!! That's too bad. And no one has jumped in to help. I'm so sorry.

[johncody (johncody)]

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

JUST A MAN

Though long lived Satan lucifer the Devil is just a mortal man. He has no eternal life in him and he will perish in the Lake of fire and suffer the second death which is the death of the soul. He will be no more for ever and ever

God bless

PEACE

[godchild (godchild)]

Satan is spirit. The Bible tells us so. He is a fallen angel, who was named Lucifer, (which I think is a masculine name, don't you?) and angels are spirit.
Now while Michael and Gabriel are names some people give their daughters, most accept that those are masculine names. Michael and Gabriel are angels; spirit, unless you've met them too. If you have, I'm sure we've love a physical description of them too.
2 Thess. describes satan as the man of sin. Also describes him as a son of the morning. 2 Thess. 2:4 describes satan sitting in the temple of God, and bringing false gospels. NO, NOT the physical temple. Christians know this is speaking of the body of believers.
The Bible says there are already many antichrist's. Now, these guys/gals are physical men and women, just like you and me. The Bible says in verses 8-9 The wicked one will be revealed. I suggest that is the Antichrist, the ultimate satan, the physical metamorphosis of Satan that we will see as a man when he is revealed.

[johncody (johncody)]

Scripture tell us Satan lucifer the devil will appear in the end-times playing sweet-jesus so he will look like the lamb but sound like the dragon because he is the dragon.

The dragon will have a spurious host with him, a vast army of fallen angels

Nothing to worry about though, Jesus has promised He would never leave you or forake you

In fact, Jesus has given us power over them READ LUKE 10:17-19

aint no thing for a stepper (lol)

PEACE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

PEACE

[godchild (godchild)]

The Bible tells us angels can appear AS men. Jesus said to feed a stranger because you may be entertaining angels unaware (that this is a spirit appearing to you as a man, sent from God to see if you have charity in your heart).
Daniel 7:1`5 Describes he (satan) shall wear out the saints of the Most High. Have you met any human being that has not had problems, mistakes, sins in their lives? I haven't, except spiritually. That person (God, who is spirit) speaks to me, walks with me, comforts me, and so many more wondrous things.

Back to Daniel. Has satan not been wearing out the saints. Are we perfect? Do we not sin?

terl, We are to worship in SPIRIT and truth.

[johncody (johncody)]

God is Spirit true,, but He is also man

He looks just like Jesus Christ

PEACE

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

<font color="0000ff">Man in the Hebrew:</font>
eesh
Contracted for H582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation.) : - also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, [foot-, husband-] man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man [-kind], + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso (-ever), worthy. Compare H802.

<font color="0000ff">Those verses in Isaiah are speaking of Satan, Isa 14:12-20</font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">No, Satan does not have horn or wear red thermals, nor does he carry a pitchfork. God gives a very good description of satan in EZE. 28:</font>

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">satan is referred to in the male sense in many many places such as the ones above and also these:</font>

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

<font color="0000ff">Perdition in the Greek is:</font>

apoleia
ap-o'-li-a
From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

<font color="0000ff">Satan is the only one named who is sentenced to destruction, death of the soul. Many will go into the lake of fire but he is the only identified by name. This son of perdition is satan himself.

Johncody said:

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God is Spirit true,, but He is also man

He looks just like Jesus Christ

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Thank you John!</font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Satan is coming here defacto and he will be playing Jesus.</font>

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

<font color="0000ff">Satan also called the Devil, the serpent, the dragon, is coming here.</font>

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

<font color="0000ff">Here is the dragon which is identified in REV.12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan. Satan will be here that great dragon, but he will sound like the lamb. Lamb is symbolic of Christ. He will be playing Jesus. He will sound just like Jesus.

Again, there is no rapture!

terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

When the Bible says the streets of heaven will be paved of gold, do you take that literally. Do you take the receiving of crowns, literal.

When men call their pick-up trucks and ships she, they think they are women? Do you think God is a man?

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

OK folks...
Get a grip.

We made a lot of headway, earlier in the week.

We were beginning to act like christians towards each other. So let's try again

godchild....

Johncody's opinion does not completely match my opinion or that professed by AM and the SC. There are elements, but not the same. And that's OK, that's John's choice! He and everyone else has that free will choice....

The bible very clearly stipulates what the Devil (Satan) looks like. ...Tel...just explained it in scripture. And we know that he will be playin and lookin just like Christ (what most presume that He'd look like.)

He's is SUPERNATURAL,

And Satan is both physical, and spiritual....He walked around too and fro in the book of Job.

He was in the Garden(although you may not agree)

And we are told in the Bible that his spirit already works iniquity, but that his physical essence is held in heaven, by the might of Michael the Arc Angel, by God's authority of course, and that the physical essence/being of the Devil(Satan) will be thrown from heaven and come to earth on God's command, and Satan will be pis.ed off, because he knows the time he has here on earth is short and his destruction (and those of his followers)is near.

God is both physical and Spiritual. That's obvious to any Christian. Once you've seen the Son, you've seen the Father. (I love that one)

Satan is both aswell my friend.

peace
c

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning ALL !

Hey there... Terluvire, John Cody, and Ezekiel, GREAT posts, I really enjoyed reading them, your documentation regarding satan's appearance DIRECTLY FROM The Word of God is right on ! : ) As well as the facts regarding the virgin that would conceive and bear a Son, and how that The LORD, said ye SHALL call His name Immanuel = meaning GOD WITH US; [ Isaiah 7:14 ] and indeed that Jesus Christ said He that has SEEN Me, has SEEN The Father. [ John 12:45 &amp; John 14:9 ] Jesus Christ indeed came in the image of God, for God said to His Children in the begining, let us make man in "OUR " image, after "OUR" likeness, and yes He included Himself, as He would be The Saviour of the world. [ Genesis 2:26 ] And wherever you have The Father &amp; The Son, there also is The Holy Spirit.


Abiyah</font></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into</font> prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithfu until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those that dwell on the earth. Behold. I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads./ And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed.</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Revelation 7:9- After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb. All the angels stood around the throne, and the elders and the four living creatures,and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying:
Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thansgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen."</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Revelation 7:13 Ten one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God, ancd serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. They shall neither hunger anymore nor theirst anymore; the son shall not srike thme, nor any heat; for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Revelation 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake. So the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
First Trumpet: Vegetation struck
Second Trumpet: The Seas Struck
Third Trumpet: the Waters Struck
Fourth Trumpet: The Heavens Struck
Fifth Trumpet: The Locusts from the Bottomless Pit. Revelation 9:11And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless peit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Allollyon. One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.
Sexth Trumpet: The Angels from the Euphrates. verse 15 So the four angels, who had been preparded for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind. verse 18 By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed- by the fire and the smoke and the bri,mstone, which came out of their mouths. For their power is in the mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads, and with them they do harm. vs.20 But the rest of mankind, who wer not killed by these p;agues, did not repepnt of the works of their hands, that they should not worhip demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see not hear nor walk. And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or the sexeual immorality or their thefts.</font>}

[godchild (godchild)]

Revelation 10:5 The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and things that are in it, that there should be delay no long, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.}

[johncody (johncody)]

Mortal means: Subject to death

In fact, Satan has already been sentanced to death

Amoung many things, Satan lucifer is called a man

SO

To say Satan lucifer is just a mortal man is right on the money.

We can only have eternal life in us through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of Christ, His Spirit married (entwined) with ours

SO

To say we have power over Satan lucifer is an understatement.

The basis of Christianity is your ability to reckonize who GOD is and plugging into His power Jesus Christ

THUS

We have awesome power over the Devil,,, , He (Mr. Death) runs from me every single time

God Bless

PEACE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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godchild acually quoted driectly from The Word of God:
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QUOTE: "Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithfu until death, and I will give you the crown of life. END
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifWhen satan is cast out of Heaven by Michael, onto THE EARTH at The SIXTH Trump, he will be playing the role of the INSTEAD OF Christ, and/or the anti-christ
Revelation 12:9 ]. Our Lord is speaking to those who indeed know and understand that he is a fake, he is merely playing the role of Jesus... he is that abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet [ Mark 13:14 ], he is that son of perdition spoken of by Paul in IIThessalonians 2:3-4, he is that one that will stand in the temple of God CLAIMING to be God; now there will be those... that will STAND AGAINST him, and they will NOT bow a knee to him
[ Romans 11:4 ], reason being they know exactly who he is, and CAN NOT be deceived by his sword of lies, nor by his flood of lies, those that SHALL stand AGAINST the false christ, can NOT be deceived ny him, as Christ has told us THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE [ Mark 13:22 ].

"TEN" in Biblical numerics symbolizes "TESTIMONY"; some will be delivered up before the spurious messiah, which is DEATH
[ Revelation 2:10 ], as he is the son of perdition, perdition meaning to perish, he has been sentenanced to DEATH by The LORD [ SEE THEN Ezekiel 28:18 ]; satan is a dead man walking, we see in Hebrews 2:14 he has "the power of DEATH, that is THE DEVIL", and THIS is who shall throw them into prision, and they SHALL be delivered up before him, death, which is to say the devil for a TESITMONY [ 10= in Biblical numerics= testimony] for Jesus Christ's sake [ Mark 13:9]. We also see he is DEATH in Revelation 6:8.

**** Continued below regarding Revelation 2:10

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[abiyah (abiyah)]

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**** Continued from above post

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifHowever, when these are delivered up before DEATH, which is satan, the devil as he plays the role of instead of christ, it WILL NOT BE them that speak but The Holy Spirit SHALL speak through them just as it did in Acts chapter 2, they that SHALL be delivered up before DEATH, which is to say the devil are not to even premediate that what they will speak, for IF they do they are flirting with the unpardonable sin.

Mark 13:11
" but when they SHALL lead you, and deliver you up, TAKE NO THOUGHT BEFOREHAND WHAT ye SHALL SPEAK, NEITHER DO ye PREMEDIATE; but whatsoever SHALL be given you in that hour [ The hour of temptation, satan is the tempter ] that SPEAK ye; for IT IS NOT ye THAT SPEAK; BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT. "

It is at this time the The TRUE GOSPEL shall be preached throughout the world [ Mark 13:11 ], because we see that The Holy Spirit speaks through these men and woman just as it did on Pentecost Day in Acts Chapter 2, and it is prophesied in Joel chapter 2.

Therefore, it is important to keep in mind that satan as he plays the role of the instead of christ, and/or the anti-christ... the spurious messiah, this will be the time of that great falling away, the great apostacy spoken of in IIThessalonians 2:3; that he CAN NOT HARM anyone that has the SEAL OF GOD in their forehead, which is to say that they have God's Word, which is True in their minds. [ Revelation 9:4-5 ]

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[godchild (godchild)]

Revelation 11. The two witnesses. The witnesses Killed. The Witnesses Resurrected.
The Seventh trumpet: The Kingdom proclaimed
Then the seventh angel sounded. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God.
Revelation 18:21- The finality of Babylon's Fall
Chapter 19 Heaven Exults over Babylon.
After these things I heard a loud voice of a <u>great multitude in heaven</u>, saying, Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her. }

[godchild (godchild)]

Revelation 19:6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a <u>great multitude,</u>as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, "Alleluia! For the lord God Omnipotent reigns! Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife made herself ready. And to her it was granted to be arryed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, "Write, Blessed are theose who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb! And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God.
Rev. 19:11- Chirst on a White Horse. The Beast and His Armied Defeated. Satan bound 1000 years. The saints with Christ 1000 years. Satanic Rebellion crushed. Rev. 20:11- The Great white throne judgment.verse 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Very good post Abiyah, straight from our Father's word.</font>

Revelation 7:13 Ten one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

<font color="0000ff">"out of" in the Greek:</font>
ek ex
ek, ex
A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or figuratively; direct or remote): - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.

<font color="0000ff">In order to come out of something you must go through it. One can not come out if they were never "in" it. These are those who came out of the tribulation. They woke up and realized that their "Jesus" was satan. They came out of the deception.

terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

Rev. 21 All things made new. verse 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed. Verse 6 And He said to me "It is done!" I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Betinning and the End.
Chapter 21:9- The New Jerusalem, The glory of the New Jerusalem, The river of life. verse 22:7 Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophesy of this book. Rev. 22:12 Jesus testifies to the Churches, a warning, verse 20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

[godchild (godchild)]

Now go back to Chapter 7. A great multitude is with God (of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.
Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation TEN DAYS. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

[david_munson (david_munson)]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Abiyah,
these people where relying on their works alone to make them exceptable to the father and you and I both know only faith in the shed Blood of Christ can do that.

So it is evident that they didn't have a personal relationship with Son,just a works program and the Lord see's that as filthy rags.

They where not followers of the true Lord Jesus Christ.They followed signs and wonders that where part of deception to keep them from knowing Christ.They thought that because they did things in His name that that made them beleivers.
There was never any surrender of the will to the Lord.Never any fellowship with Him.
He <u>never</u> knew them.

God is Good,
Dave
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[godchild (godchild)]

Matthew 24:29- Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven; and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. The the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[johncody (johncody)]

godchild,
You have yoked yourself to Manu,, , A person that hates Christians and REJECTS Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior

I will no longer reply to you (directly) on any these boards

You are an imposter and a sham!

The Lord rebukes you satan

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

Godchild,

Looks like johncody came against you over in the Kenites thread. See what did I tell you.

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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godchild quoted FROM God's Word:
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QUOTE: " Revelation 3:10:Beacuse thou hast KEPT THE WORD of My patience, I will keep thee FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION, which SHALL come upon ALL that dwell upon the earth...... ' END QUOTE
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif These are KEPT from The Hour of Temptation because they have the seal of God in their forehead, which is to say the Truth in their minds, they are KEPT FROM The Hour of Temptation because they can NOT be deceived for they know and understand that the false Christ comes first pretending or better playing Jesus Christ. The Hour of Temptation is the tribulation of anti-christ [ Daniel8:23-26]; However those who know and undertsand do NOT find satan tempting as he plays the role of the instead of christ and/or anti-christ, no, they do not find him tempting but rather they find him to be an abomination ! When he appears and plays the role of anti-christ he will tempt and offer whatever ones heart may desire, IF you will bow a knee and worship him. maybe a new car ? or a new home ? get your mortgage paid off ? during that HOUR of temptation, many will fall away from the True Christ and will worship the the false christ, hey they think he really is Jesus. Those who know and understand SHALL not be tempted, and this is how they are kept FROM the hour of temptation. I hope God help give you understanding, His will be done and NOT mine.

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

Matthew 24:28 But if that evil servant says in his heart, <u>'My master is delaying his coming,'</u> and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hyp0ocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those that dwell on the earth. Behold. I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

<font color="0000ff">We are kept from the hour of tribulation with God's truth, the Gospel Armor. If you know who the antichrist is, which is satan, you won't be tempted by him. The truth keeps you from his flood of lies.</font> Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. <font color="0000ff">See this, the serpent is the devil, satan. The flood comes out of his mouth. This is not actual water but lies.</font>


Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

<font color="0000ff">This hour is the same hour spoken in Rev.3:10. This is satan hour, the hour of temptation, the hour of trial/tribulation. The elect will be speaking out against satan's lies, calling himself God, Jesus.:</font> Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: <font color="0000ff">mount of the congregation is mount Zion, Jerusalem. Satan will be in Jerusalem claiming to be God.

terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Mark 13:24-27 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and <u>they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with great power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.</u></font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

Terluvire WROTE:
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QUOTE: "In order to come out of something you must go through it. One can not come out if they were never "IN" it. These are those WHO CAME OUT of the tribulation. They woke up and realized that their "jesus" was satan. They came out of the deception. " END QUOTE
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Good Morning to you Terluvire !

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGREAT POST ! Indeed I enjoy your work as you bring it forth DIRECTLY from The Word of God. I just really enjoy that, for I delight in The Truth ! May God, our Father "continue" to bless you in all wisdom and understanding of His Word, as you so graciously share it with others, so that you may "continue" to be a blessing to others who love God and desire to understand His Word; for the name sake of our Lord &amp; Saviour, Jesus The Christ.

Agape,


Abiyah</font></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Luke 21:9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."
verse 12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on ;you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prison. You will be brought before kins and rulers for My name's sake. But it will turn out for you and occasion for testimony. verse 17 And you will be hated by all for My names' sake. But not a hair of your head shall be lost. By your patience possess your souls.
verse 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now, when these things begin to happen, <u>look up and lift your heads, because your redemption draws near.</u></font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Matthew 24:29- Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven; and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. The the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

<font color="0000ff">Christ does not return until AFTER the tribulation, satan's hour, the hour of temptation, the hour of trial. He gathers them at the trump, which is the 7th trump. Jesus does not return until the 7th trump.</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Luke 21:35 "For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to <u>escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."</u></font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. <font color="0000ff">satan kills the 2 witnesses of God</font>
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. <font color="0000ff">The whole world will be rejoicing because they truly believe satan is Jesus. They will think the beast did a good thing by killing them, for the witnesses will be testifying against satan and telling the world he is not Jesus. People hate the truth.</font>
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

<font color="0000ff">This happens AFTER the 2 witnesses are killed. You need to rightly divide the word of God. Jesus does not return until the seventh trump.

terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

Luke 24:25<font size="+1">Then He said to them, <font color="ff0000">"O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory.</font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

Luke 20:34 <font size="+1">Then Jesus answered and said to them, <font color="ff0000">The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, <u>neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they be anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.</u></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1">Luke 24:37- And He said to them, <font color="ff0000">Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I myself. <u>Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not flesh and bones as you see I have.</u></font></font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Luke 21:9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."
verse 12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on ;you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prison. You will be brought before kins and rulers for My name's sake. But it will turn out for you and occasion for testimony. verse 17 And you will be hated by all for My names' sake. But not a hair of your head shall be lost. By your patience possess your souls.
verse 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now, when these things begin to happen, look up and lift your heads, because your redemption draws near.

<font color="0000ff">We will not see the Son of Man coming in the clouds until after we are delivered up for a testimony for the sake of Jesus' name. But when we see these begin to happen, we are to look up for we know that Jesus is returning soon. But it does not say Jesus is returning before these things take place. It says these things will take place before our Lords' return, but when you see it happening know that Jesus is returning soon. Satan comes at the 6th trump and Jesus returns at the 7th trump. So naturaly we would see these things come to pass first, then we will see Jesus returning. You need to rightly divide God's word, read it in the order these events occur.

terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1"><font color="ff0000">1 Thess.4:13 But I would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For is we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so <u>God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.</u></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

1 Thess. 5:12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteeem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Be at peace among yourselves.

Verse 14-19 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but alwayss pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things, hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1"><font color="ff0000">Luke 24:25 Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken. Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory.</font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

<font size="+1"><font color="ff0000">Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him, who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His Throne.</font></font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">
DAVID MUNSON WROTE:
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QUOTE: " Abiyah,
these people where relying on their works alone to make them exceptable to The Father and you and I both know ONLY FAITH in the shed Blood of Christ can do that. " END QUOTE
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning to you Mr. Munson !

This thread has become quit lengthy... lol, so to get to that which we were discussing.... may we please go back to our subject briefly, we were discussing Matthew Chapter 7 verses 21 through 23. Now regarding your above quote, please listen.

James 2:17
" Even so FAITH, if it hath NOT WORKS, IS DEAD, being alone. "

Faith is DEAD without your works for The Lord.

James 2:18
" Yea, a man say, thou hast faith, and I have works; shew me thy faith without thy works, AND I WILL SHEW THEE MY FAITH BY MY WORKS ! "

Shew me your WORKS [for The Lord] and I will see your FAITH !

Now our WORKS for God are the only thing(s) we can take with us.

Revelation 14:13
" And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me; Write. blessed are the dead which die in The Lord from henceforth; YEA, saith The Spirit, that they may rest FROM THEIR " LABOURS ", AND THEIR " WORKS " DO FOLLOW THEM. "

Your WORKS is all that you can take with you, that labour that you did for The Lord. This is why Paul says Hey... I will show you my Faith BY MY WORKS. Show me YOUR WORKS and I 'll SEE your FAITH.

Now regarding those in Matthew 7:21-23, their workers of iniquity because they, as well meaning as they may have been, taught the traditions and doctrines of man and did not teach The Truth of God's Word. And many of God's children, Christians are mislead by them, and Christ is NOT pleased with their works, no not at all; He's ANGRY ! This is why The Lord has warned us that MANY "SHALL" come in My name, and "SHALL" deceive MANY... Christ HAS WARNED US to TAKE HEED... that means be CAREFUL, LEST ANY "MAN" DECEIVE YOU [ Mark 13:5-6 ]. IT IS WRITTEN that man can NOT live by bread alone, but by EVERY Word of God.

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
verse 10. My son, if sinners entice you, do not consent.
verse 24-27 Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded, Because you disdained all my cousel, And would have none of my rebuke, I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, When your terror comes like a storm, and your destruction comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you.
Verse 28-33 Then they will call on me, but I will not answer, they will seek me diligently, but they will not find me. Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord, they would have none of my counsel, and despised my every rebuke. Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, and be filled to the full with their own fancies. For the turning away of the simple will slay them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them; But whoever listens to me will dwell safely, and will be secure, without fear of evil.

[arron (arron)]

faith in THE BLOOD OF JESUS BEING BORN AGAIN IS ALL APERSON NEEDS. i am tired of all the argueing that is being done myself in cluded. i am just tired.

[godchild (godchild)]

A clue to cult tactics is when a member of that cult tries to turn away people from the discussion at hand.

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

godchild,

What did you do to get johncody upset at you?

[abiyah (abiyah)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

Hi There godchild;

Regarding the Scriptures that you quoted in First Thessalonians Chapter Four, we must understand that Paul is verse 13.... the subject is where are the dead, those that are asleep or physically dead ? Paul is saying do NOT be ignorant to where the dead are. We know that to be absent from the flesh is to be present with The Lord [ See there II Corinthians 5:8 ]; and IT IS WRITTEN that the flesh body returns to dust; but the spirit SHALL RETURN to The LORD who gave it [ SEE then Ecclestiastes 12:6-7 ]. Those that have passed away are NOT out there in some whole in the ground, only their flesh body is, as it is returning to dust, but their spirit, which is the intellect of the soul RETURNS and IS PRESENT with The Lord. We see that there in the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man, they were in Heaven [ See then Luke 16:1-31 ]. For IS IT WRITTEN that God is NOT the God of the dead, but of the Living [ See then Luke 20:37-38 &amp; Exodus 3:6]. Those that have passed away, are WITH The Lord. The dead in Christ rise first because THEY ARE ALREADY with Him. Please remember that you must "rightly divide The Word of Truth".

clouds = Figure of speech. meaning a large group of people.

the air = The spititual body, the breath of life body; our spiritual body, I Corinthinas 15:52 , those that are still in their flesh body when the True Christ returns SHALL be changed in a twinkling of an eye into their spiritual body.... [ SEE then I Corinthians 15:44 ]

Abiyah </font></font></font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

1 Thess.4:13 But I would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, These are those who have passed on, died. lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.<font color="0000ff">We don't sorrow for we know that absent from the body is present with the Lord.2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. </font>

1Th 4:14 For is we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. <font color="0000ff">He is saying, if you believe Jesus died and rose again, so it is with those who also died.</font>

1Th 4:15 For this we say by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. <font color="0000ff">He is saying that there is no way we can proceed those who have already died. Why? If you are absent from your body you are present with the Lord. They are already with him.</font>

1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.<font color="0000ff">This trump is the 7th Trump.</font> And the dead in Christ will rise first.<font color="0000ff">of course, they are already with him.</font>

1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. <font color="0000ff">At the coming of Christ he will be returning with the saints, those who have passed on already. Those of us on earth at his return, those who are still in their flesh bodies, will be gathered unto him. Cloud is an idiom and it means a large group. It doesn't mean a literal cloud, such as used in this verse:</font>Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

cont....

[johncody (johncody)]

I have been reading your posts

You really are a piece of work (sick) godchild

You have a maniacal scheming mind,,, ,, , quite evil indeed!

I see right through you and your little playact

AND

I have taken enough of your insults, of the good pastor those that go to his church,,, ,, , and of Jesus Christ by your rather absurd claim of being a Child of the living God. No child of the loving God would behave as you do!

Those that go by the Spirit of God are His Children and naturally want to be better persons. I see none of that contained within your cold heart, you imposter! You are an abomination to the good Lord and to the very name Christian.

I dont care what you call yourself, (Satan says he is Christ and God after all) you tell on yourself! it is by your unforgiving and quite spite-filled hateful heartless attack upon attack against Christians and their Pastors (of Christ) you convict yourself and are most certainly hellbound yourself

You sicken me, I pray you go straight to hell A.S.A.P

AND you forget who started this string! I can pull the rug out from under your feet JUST like Jesus will do to your silly lies when HE RETURNS

There wont be any trouble makers like you and your buddy Manu in the New Heaven and Earth

THANK GOD!


There will be,



PEACE

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">The word air in the Greek is:</font>

ae¯r
ah-ayr
From a?´?µ? ae¯mi (to breathe unconsciously, that is, respire; by analogy to blow); “air” (as naturally circumambient): - air. Compare G5594.

<font color="0000ff">Air is Breath</font>

<font color="0000ff">This is comparable to the breath of life.

Breath in the Hebrew:</font>

nesh-aw-maw'
From H5395; a puff, that is, wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal: - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

<font color="0000ff">Even God's spirit is referred to as wind:</font>

ruach
roo'-akh
From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).


<font color="0000ff">When we meet the Lord in the air, it is not the literal sky, but the spiritual body. We will be changed in a twinkling of the eye into our spiritual bodies.

There is a word for sky in the Greek and it is:</font>

ouranos
oo-ran-os'
Perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension heaven (as the abode of God); by implication happiness, power, eternity; specifically the Gospel (Christianity): - air, heaven ([-ly]), sky.

<font color="0000ff">If we were to literally meet Jesus in the sky, this word would have been used. Instead the word that was used is speaking about our spiritual body, our soul is the Breath of life

terluvire</font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Abiyah, Good post. I must have been working on my post while you posted yours. Good Job!

Agape,
terluvire</font>

[johncody (johncody)]

terluvire,
I hope you dont think I was talking to you

It is just that the imposters have really gotten me angry and I am sick of their constant trouble making

I will scroll-past their posts from now on, as they are not here to learn anything new but to only stir-up trouble

God bless

PEACE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

I wonder if johncody's 'gay' boss knows that he is wasting valuable work time on these threads? Should I call him?

I for one am not wasting my employers time. I own my business. But then again what do you expect of a Jew, we control everything according to you cody.

You know if we control everything maybe I should get you fired?

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Johncody,

Oh I know you weren't speaking to me...LOL I stay out of the arguments and try to stick only to God's words. You have a good day in the Lord. Peace.

Agape
terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

John, the point is, there is nothing "new". It is all in my Holy Bible, which I have been studying for many years.

The only 'new' thing you've had to say that faintly caught my curiosity was the fluer dis lis dreams you have. I don't think I have any need, and definitely no desire, to study this.

[godchild (godchild)]

Also, your 40th post on Nov.18 gives me cause to fear you have problems that cannot be solved by describing or interpreting dreams.

[johncody (johncody)]

With (sick) godchilds cold-evil heart,
and evil ways it is hard to believe she is anything less than pure evil.

Why evil?

well, for one thing, she cannot forgive. its not within her heart to forgive. she habbors hate for ever never forgiving anyone or anything

AND

because she claims the love of Christ and goes around doing just the opposate of Christ talking her smack, browbeating insulting folks and spitting in Christians faces just because they dont follow her CULT-sects dogmas.

She takes on only the guise of Christainity but in fact she is an antichristian only stiring-up trouble wherever she goes, ie a trouble maker just as her buddy and christian-hater Manu does.

Jesus never did the things she does, no, not even close, she doesnt even try to follow Him or His ways.

I see through her, and she is full of wickedness. playing Christian to get in and try working her evil witchcraft from the inside out.



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PEACE

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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Abiyah,
these people where relying on their works alone.
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I have no disagreement that works born out of faith,obedience and Love for God and His living Word are pleasing to Him,It's useless though for someone to think that because they are involved in works for the sake of duty that it pleases God.

The works I speak of are not born of faith but out of a requirement that they try to fulfill by fleshly wisdom and strength.
Self rightiousness is as filthy rags to the Lord.
I wont get into the meaning of "filthy rags."

Be well,
Dave
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[abiyah (abiyah)]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifGood Afternoon to you John Cody !

Please recall..... many that teach God's Real Truth, and speak AGAINST the traditions of men do indeed catch persecution, and many will give you trouble, they are gonna give you a hard time, I KNOW you KNOW this... but please recall Jeremiah, as I thought of you when reading these verses.

Jeremiah 15:15
" O LORD, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: KNOW THAT FOR THY SAKE I HAVE SUFFERED REBUKE. "

And ALSO recall THIS SAITH THE LORD, YOUR GOD.

Jeremiah 15:20
" And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brasen wall: and they shall fight against thee, BUT THEY SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST thee; for I AM with thee to save thee and to deliver thee, SAITH The LORD. "

*** You teach God's Word... He is with you, and He is your strength, do NOT allow godchild or anyone else for that matter get to you John, for you travel in real Good Company.

**************

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifAnd Hello DAVID MUNSON ! ><))*>

Peace unto you, thank you for your conversation IN God's Word this afternoon, I appreciate your patience, for you have spoken kindly to me, and I thank you for listening to what I wrote. And thank you for responding to my posts in a gentle and respectful manner, I indeed do appreciate that. And I look forward to conversing with you even more about our Father's Word, as well as with all the others that gather here almost daily for Christ's name sake. I LOVE to discuss God's Word, and I have so much to learn, and am more than willing to listen to what you would like to share. May He bless your Studies of His Word, which we all can gain and learn something new everyday from His Truth, because His Word is ever growing in our hearts.

God Bless
Abiyah</font></font></font>

[ju5t1n (ju5t1n)]

For those of you who believe in the "rapture" theory, did it ever cross your mind how this "doctrine" came into existence?

<font color="0000ff">JSS</font>

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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Abiyah,
You too have been kind and thoughtful and I appreciate that very much.
It is,in my mind,always a good thing when folks who disagree about some things can do it in a friendly manner such as we are doing.

It shows others that they too can disagree and show consideration of each other in the process.

I am sure we do not disagree in every area but as you know every one has some varying degrees of difference in their beliefs.There should never be a problem with such things.
(secondary doctrines)

I only get very concerned if someone doesn't believe in Christ the Messiah which is our only way to the father.
All the other "minor" doctrines that don't deal with salvation are nothing to fight about but to discuss with each other,as you have shown very eloquently and thoughtfully.

God is so very good,
Dave

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[servant08 (servant08)]

duncan1, I am the one you have assused of being an Identity racist in your post at the top of this thread. I ask you to prove it.

(Message edited by servant08 on February 27, 2006)

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif Good Morning to you Servant08 !

Peace unto you; and how are you this beautiful morning ? Real, real well I pray. I haven't seen you in awhile, and it's always nice to see friendly face here at FACTnet. You'll see Terluvire and Danishpeachy in some of the others threads. Well I just wanted to say "hello" to you is all; God bless and have a great day !

Ahiah </font></font></font>

[servant08 (servant08)]

hello abiyah!

nice to see ya!

[godchild (godchild)]

I just love going over these posts. Especially starting from the beginning.

I see posts saying you all don't listen to john cody then I see abi praising him. Not just praising but "John Cody, you teach God's Word...He is with you, and He is your strength, do not let godchild or anyone else for that matter get to you John, for you travel in real good company."

I really like seeing you sc'ers having such a hard time agreeing on am doctrines, that you claim to receive verse by verse, from beginning to end. Some examples: am doesn't need to be accredited. God chose him.
watcher, I mean watchman on Jan. 2: "You claim to be accredited, and Abi admonished you for that tactic. How are you accredited, then?"
Danispeachy: "A kenite could be anybody...white, black, middle easter, Jewish...it is not race specific."
Most other sc'ers claiming the kenites live with the Jews, have mixed with the Jews, and are even not the real Jews. Then watcher, I mean watchman again, "Adam, by definition, is ruddy complected. There is only one race of ruddy complected people. Jews are the direct offspring of Adam through Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Hence, Jews, by geneology are WHITE."
sc'ers deny that am gave false prophesy. That he <u>just had dreams or visions</u> where he saw those things, like something happening in Alaska (Oh heavens to Betsy, better warn my family!) and the world ending in 81.
Wow! A teacher, pastor has dreams and visions which he shares with many members of 'his so called flock' and they aren't supposed to consider this new revelation, which is prophesy. watch, I mean watchman says murray still insists on the end-time battle Alaska thing and always talks about it. Whoooo, shiver.
You people are a piece of something, not sure you could call it work. Whatever it is, you call ME a liar and troublemaker? Oh my goodness. How could I? Please forgive me for my honesty and forthrightness. I only pray for the strength and fortitude to continue exposing such filth in the name of God.

[servant08 (servant08)]

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

watch, I mean watchman says murray still insists on the end-time battle Alaska thing and always talks about it.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Well, let's be more specific, Hamongog, not Armageddon.

The battle of "the mountain of the gathering" (Armageddon) takes place where the beast has killed the two witnesses, "which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev. 11:18), that mount of God where he "as God sitteth in the temple of God" (2 Thess. 2:4).

Hamongog is an attack against "the mountains of Israel" (Ezek 38:8) before the joining back of the two sticks:

<blockquote>Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; "<u>Now</u> will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for My Holy Name; "</blockquote>

"Now", i.e. after the aformentioned attack by Mechech.

[servant08 (servant08)]

If you do a Google search, you will find what actual white supremacists have to say on their forum about Pastor Murray:

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

Arnold Murray obviously does not feel obligated in the prohibition of letting the mamzer enter his congregation or adopting the stangers into the elect of God.

He's not Christian Identity, but he does teach the "Serpent's Seed".

Please don't bring up Murry. He and his brother teach bs...and he allows non-whites in his congregation and states openly they can be saved.

You are very right Klaliff, but the problem is that Arnold Murray is not Identity, and has done everything that he can to set himself apart from Identity - he simply teaches about the Serpent's Seed, but he believes that blacks are exactly the same as Whites in the eyes of God.

I have a tape of him from around 1983 in which he declares that you must accept non-Whites, and on the tape he says "...you Identity people aren't going to like this....", thereby setting himself apart from Christian Identity.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

This is what you get for talking for other people:

<blockquote>1. talking for the minorities that Pastor Murray has allegedly offended, and

2. tallking for the white supremacists, whose hatred you emulate with your incessant rantings.</blockquote>

[godchild (godchild)]

You emulate white supremists, because that is what you are. murray offends me because he offends God!

Does Watchman Bible Study sound familiar? No. Then why are they recommending a book sold only at sc/am bookstore?

Are you guys Irish? Bet you think you are close enough. I'll share some interesting links tomorrow. I think you might not be surprised to see almost the exact words of sc'ers here as there.

Why don't you tell us who really started the first Christian church, according to sc and all satan followers, who think they are the 'real Jews'.
Come on, don't keep us in the dark. Go ahead and share 'all' of the slimy doctrines you teach, like how you don't believe even Christians are 'really Christians' at all.
Or be sure, I will! Think you haven't people 'drawn in' enough yet?

[servant08 (servant08)]

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

You emulate white supremists, because that is what you are.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

No, I am not.

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

Does Watchman Bible Study sound familiar?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Yes, but I don't go there. Coming here wasn't such a bright idea either.

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

Are you guys Irish?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

On my mom's side I'm white European. On my dad's side I'm Mexican and Syrian.

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

Why don't you tell us who really started the first Christian church, according to sc and all satan followers, who think they are the 'real Jews'.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

See Isaiah 28:16 and Matt. 16:18.

Drawn in enough what?

I don't mean to commit a hasty generalization fallacy, but your behavior appears borderline...hysteria.

[watchman_2 (watchman_2)]

godchild wrote:

<font color="ff0000">watcher, I mean watchman on Jan. 2: "You claim to be accredited, and Abi admonished you for that tactic. How are you accredited, then?" </font>
___________

That post was in response to Bear and his claims. It was not in reference to Pastor Murray. If you are going to quote me, please place it into the proper context of the discussion.

Your effort to twist the words to suit your satanic purpose does not go without notice. I am sure that our Heavenly Father is keeping good records on you. Thank God there is a vehicle for forgiveness -- otherwise, you would be in deep do-do.

By the way, I have never visited any of the other sites that you claim affiliation with SC. I think servant8 put your white supremicist affiliation claim to rest.

[godchild (godchild)]

According to serpent seed doctrine there will be no salvation for any other than 'pure whites' anyway, so where does your concern come from?

Why would sc/am followers need other sites, when they get the same heretical garbage from him?

servant, "Yes, but I don't go there. Coming here wasn't wasn't such a bright idea either."
I agree.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild

This is what God says:</font>

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

<font color="0000ff">He states how one is to receive salvation. Race has nothing to do with it.</font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild

This is what God says:</font>

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

<font color="0000ff">He states how one is to receive salvation. Race has nothing to do with it.</font>

[servant08 (servant08)]

You have never heard Pastor Murray say non-white won't be saved. You took that from a racist form of CI and errouneously applied it to him.

This is inexcusable, inasmuch as I posted quotes from a CI forum where they state point-blank that he teaches salvation for all, and that he is not CI. They should know.

The only reason I don't think that coming here was a good idea is because you seem irrational. Arguing with you feels like beating a man in a wheelchair. It doesn't feel right.

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifgodchild WROTE: TWISTING MY WORDS ...no doubt
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" Not just praising but "John Cody, you teach God's Word...He is with you, and He is your strength, do not let godchild or anyone else for that matter get to you John, for you travel in real good company. "
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godchild;

Again dear, regarding your post No. 2858 you have taken my words out of context; I wrote this to Mr. John Cody because you were trying to dress him down in an ill, and cruel manner, far from anyway that a Christain should correct another Christian. Now let us get this real, real clear here godchild, I was telling John Cody, you [ John ] share/teach God's Word, meaning.. You [continue to ] share/teach God's Word as IT is WRITTEN ! NOT YOUR WORDS, but stick to the Letter in which God has Written to us, not mans words, but you share Gods' Word. This is what I meant... and I have seen John Cody quote Scripture(s), that being God's Word; and he does try to bring forth Truth, by planting seeds of Truth, The Seed being God's Word, and not John's [ Luke 8:5-15 ]. So I am basically telling him in that above quote to STICK to God's Word and he will never go wrong. Got it ? regardless if people such as yourself come alomg to persecute him for The Word.

And when I said that he travels in "Good Company" I meant..... The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit; frankly godchild your ill games and thoughts are beginning to become quit tiresome; as I have stated before I wish NOT, I repeat, NOT to fight with you, that is not the reason I am here... but you have worked very diligently in taking away from the reason I am here... and that is to SHARE and DISCUSS God's Word with other Christians and listen to their own words and thoughts regarding God's Word, those who indeed do LOVE and follow Jesus Christ, The Son of God.

*** CONTINUED BELOW godchild !

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[abiyah (abiyah)]

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*** CONTINUED TO godchild FROM THE ABOVE POST !

I desire that you would STOP these cruel actions, praise God that God's Children are well and very able to think for themselves. My above quote was to comfort, and remind John Cody AFTER you godchild were being cruel towards him; it's NOT right... IF you think John is lost, then you as a Christian should help him, NOT him TEAR DOWN, BUT RATHER BUILD UP... EDIFY, and enlighten him in the knowledge and understanding of God's Word. BUT YOU DO IT NOT ! If you are truly a Christian godchild then let your light show so that others may see [ Matthew 5:16 ] ? I see no light, I see no "good" works in you, therefore how can anyone glorify God through you godchild ? As I have seen only lies and deception, and those things are NOT welcomed into The Light, for they will not, I mean NOT enter into The Light [ Rev. 22:14-15 ] at least NOT without repentance. Christians are here to help one another, to enlighten one another with the Truth of God's Word, so again.... I ask you godchild... IF you be a true Christian then why have you not tryed to gently reprove, and correct those that may be on the wide and broad path ? Ye have NOT DONE SO ! Yet IT IS your service to Christ to do such things ! To HELP ! But instead, twisting of others words, taking them out of context and the outright lies which spew forth from your heart, over, and over, and over again, as you continue to lie, and are a false witness AGAINST many Christians that gather here for Christs name sake. You CLAIM to be a follower of Christ; YET you behave quit CONTRARY to a true follower of The Son of God; and frankly IF you are NOT here to dicuss God's Word than you my friend do NOT amount to very much..... And thank God, Almighty for repentance... because that basket your weaving is getting bigger by the day.

Matthew 3:8
" BRING FORTH FRUITS MEET FOR REPENTANCE. "

I am THROUGH with " you " godchild, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, let me therefore KICK THE DUST FROM OFF MY FEET; and the peace that I have "TRYED" to bring unto you, well then LET IT RETURN unto me;[ Matthew 10:12-14 ] In The name of the Lord JESUS CHRIST; AMEN !

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Abiyah,

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I am THROUGH with " you " godchild, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, let me therefore KICK THE DUST FROM OFF MY FEET; and the peace that I have "TRYED" to bring unto you, well then LET IT RETURN unto me;[ Matthew 10:12-14 ] In The name of the Lord JESUS CHRIST; AMEN !
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Yes, you did try Abiyah. That's all the Lord asks us to do is plant seeds. You did your best and you showed the fruit of God's spirit. As for godchild, God tells us by their fruit we shall know them. What can I say, godchild's fruit is filled with LIES, Hate, and Confusion.

Peace to you Abiyah.

Agape,
terluvire</font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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TERLUVIRE WROTE:
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QUOTE " God tells us by their fruit we shall know them. " END QUOTE
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Philippians 1:11
" Being filled the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and PRAISE OF GOD. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifIndeed..... I know you by your fruits, and I thank God for a friend and fellow labourer IN Christ, our Lord, such as yourself Terluvire; God Bless you my friend; and peace to you also and forevermore.

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[trsrinheaven (trsrinheaven)]

Cult leader Arnold Murray deceptively spreads a doctrine of racism
HERE IS MORE PROOF....

Central teaching of Arnold Murray is the serpent seed doctrine. According to Murray, Eve had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden In 2 Corinthians 11:3, Murray uses the word "beguiled" to mean "wholly seduced". Hence, Murray claims the Serpent sexually seduced Eve who then became pregnant with Cain; the devil's literal offspring.

Murray asserts that the offspring of Cain are called the "Kenites". He also states that the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid". (Genesis 1:1-6:22, tape #146) He thus seems to implicitly consider them to be less than human. Mr. Murray claims that many of the Kenites are Jewish! Based upon the "creed" of the Shepherd's Chapel, Murray states, "We believe in an existing Satan... who has a people who will not hear God (John 8:44-47)". (Our Statement of Faith, p.2) In John 8:44-47, the context clearly states that these people who are the "children of the devil" are Jews (8:31-58).

Hence, Murray believes that Jesus is referring to these particular Jews as the literal offspring of Satan. Regarding the Jews he writes, "Now, who stands in Jerusalem today?.. the sons of Cain or those who will not accept Jesus Christ.. the Kenites, that founded a new nation starting in 1948."
Cult leader Arnold Murray also deceptively spreads a doctrine of racism Right in his "Shepherd's Chapel newsletter #148, 2-91"

(The Shepherd's Bible, Commentary by Arnold Murray, 1979) He calls them "scum", and obviously makes the racial Jewish businessman remark when he states, "If you want to get a Kenite upset, bother his money table". (Parable of the Fig Tree, Tape #445)

[godchild (godchild)]

trsinheaven, Right makes right! As warriors for God's Holy Word and His Son Jesus Christ, we must defend the faith of our fathers, not the evil things brought to where believers meet. Not unlike Peter, I would not hesitate to cut off the ear of anyone who attempts to tear apart what we dearly love. It is only the Lord's admonition to turn the other cheek, that I have not brought out the sword. Instead, we will continue in His purposes with the whole armor of God.
"Beware of false prophets..." Matt. 7:15
"Beware of evil workers...." Phil. 3:2
"But God forbid that I should boast except in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the WORLD has been crucified to me, and I to the world." Gal. 6:14-15

[godchild (godchild)]

Shepherd's Chapel people have brought dirt to our door. Let them take it with them when they leave. They own it! My conscience is clear!

[servant08 (servant08)]

"Jesus People" lie in Jesus' Name.

They substitute "Jew" for "Kenite" wherever they see fit, and they only hear what they want to hear.

[johncody (johncody)]

abiyah,

Thank you, I really enjoyed your taking the time to remind me with those wonderful inspiring verses you provided http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

I know you are doing exactly what Jesus Christ said to do and you are indeed following Him in His word and with far more patients and love that I could possibly pull.

And here you are, again adhering to the teaching that the good LORD of lords and KING of kings Jesus Christ found good about the two churches written of in the Revelation of Jesus Christ

As we both should and already know http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

Only 2 out of the 7 got it right, as they did indeed correctly identify who the sons of Cain are. They didnt go around hating Jews or anyone for that matter but they could see and avoid the deceivers living amongst the Jews and in the world at large

I believe in Jesus without seeing Him,

but yet, yes indeed! I do Him well and He knows me. We are friends, He released me from my bondage and from my enemies and from many awful things of the fierce one in my hour of tribulation He kept me from his dogs He protected me and helped me contend with the awful hoards and vicious hounds of hell and later He delivered me from a certain stadium death in the arena. Later, He came again and touched my hand and lifted me up from before a certain large and awful death angel with a scribes box. Later again, He held out his hand and stopped a certain hooded rider carrying a large scythe.

He knows me better than I know my self,
I know this for sure because He told me once when He replied to me that He had made me after I had complained or tried to excuse myself to Him (poor me baby) about certain weaknesses and inabilities that bothered me. He just said, paraphrasing: I know, (short pause) I made you.

He asked me once,,, , what or who I thought He was?

[johncody (johncody)]

CONTINUED,,,, , ,

I said, you are the Holy Anointed Savior. He was quiet? I guess my answer was ok? Because, If I had said something wrong then He would corrected me and set me straight as all good teachers do. He then walked over and stood off at a distance and looked towards the East and Jerusalem and said, paraphrasing: The innocent, they do get blamed.

I was bit fearful and worried because He had walked away from me to say it. I thought, since He was lamenting about Jacobs trouble and since He had walked away from me to speak about it from a distance (from me), I was a bit fearful because I had thought He was telling me (in so many ways) that He was NOT going to be around to help me and I was going to be on my own to deal with it.

He straightened me out on that and basically said He was never further from me than the distance between myself and my own right hand.

God bless

PEACE

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

To johncody, john-parker or whoever you like to be called now. Heck next week it will be ‘Sheena queen of the jungle’

Your one screwed up individual. I can see now that you’re out of touch with reality. I wonder does your employer know this. Would you mind if I shared this with them?

You don’t know Jesus from Joshua. But you put up a good front. I suppose you’ll fool a few people along the way. The irony here is that most of the AM’s student’s here think you’re as screwed up as I do. Wonder why?

You wrote, “He straightened me out on that and basically said He was never further from me than the distance between myself and my own right hand.”

I won’t touch that line with a ten foot pole.

You need to stop it; you give me too much material to work with. I’m laughing so hard I can’t stand it!

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

Be careful or I’ll send flying Kenites to come get you.

[dowen (dowen)]

Hey,
Trent_Woodard and JohnCody/John_Parker/Queen-o-the-Jungle..lol, are one in the same, right...?
Someone on another web site said that and got my curiosity going...

[godchild (godchild)]

dowen, it's easy to do a 'search' (look under utilities). trentwoodard of Aryan Nations thread fame, john cody/parker/whats her name; He hasn't gotten upset and denied it, has he!
trentwoodard reg.# 64.12.117.12
john cody reg.# 64.12.117.12 before he changed it. Why doesn't someone show that photo of him again. Pastor Trentwoodard, neo-nazi, posse comotatis, and Republic of Texas (you ought to google them). Folks on the NTCC thread should recognise that from their Pastor Jeff Davis.

[godchild (godchild)]

I think I'll contact our government office and get info under the 'freedom of information act'. Let's just get all these rascist pigs out in the open for an 'indecent exposure'.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">God created ALL the races. That is not racist.


godchild, you lie constantly yet you show not remorse or shame. What is one to make of that?</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

terlu and everyone else who wants to respond to her post saying I lie constantly, please go to "is a family member or loved becoming involved in sc". I don't want to have to type all of that again.

[godchild (godchild)]

Raine, from the fig tree cafe, is 'shamrocked' as in Druid talk. This must mean she is totally sc. How nice for her.

And abiyah, aka ahiah, Isn't it a little insulting to be called a 'senior seedman?' That is your right, of course, to accept or reject such a sexist title.

[godchild (godchild)]

terlu, When you say "God created all the races, that is 'cult talk' or a 'double blind' meaning brainwashed people think they are speaking about Biblical teachings, when in fact in sc case, it is speaking not only of the FIRST MAN Adam and Eve, but many 'unwhite' races created before "God created all the races". This is not Biblical, but the pagan beliefs God clearly warned of in God's Holy Word, the Bible, and not ficticious books written by foolish men. The word void means 'useless', meaning they are nothing in God's eyes.

[godchild (godchild)]

If you people believe in leprauchans and a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, you need to realize the shamrock is an idol, which is worship of a pagan god, and not the God of the Bible.

[infoman (infoman)]

telluvire,

Are you still continually lieing?

Why do you follow this idiot obvious racist Arnold Murray?

He continues to try to COVER UP his racism.
He is little kkk all the time.

You know Muuray doesn't beieve in inner racial marriage.
You know Murray hates Jews.
You know Murray states EVE HAD SEX WITH SATAN.
You know he has threatened people and there is proof on line of this....
among many other preposterous actions and lies.

He is such a joke...and his followers pathetic.

You following him makes you even dumber than dumb.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild wrote:

Quote:
Raine, from the fig tree cafe, is 'shamrocked' as in Druid talk. This must mean she is totally sc. How nice for her.
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LOL Reine is Irish, henceforth the name shamrocked. LOL

godchild wrote:
Quote:
terlu, When you say "God created all the races, that is 'cult talk' or a 'double blind' meaning brainwashed people think they are speaking about Biblical teachings, when in fact in sc case, it is speaking not only of the FIRST MAN Adam and Eve, but many 'unwhite' races created before "God created all the races". This is not Biblical, but the pagan beliefs God clearly warned of in God's Holy Word, the Bible, and not ficticious books written by foolish men. The word void means 'useless', meaning they are nothing in God's eyes.
END Quote

God created all the races on the 6th day. That is not racist. Adam was formed on the 8th day. 8 in biblical numerics means "new beginnings". Christ was to come through the lineage of Adam, which the bible clearly shows Christ did come through the line of Adam.

So tell me godchild where did all the races come from? Do you also believe the Black race came about because of the sin Ham committed? If you do, that is racist!

Infoman, you do lie. We have posted nothing to suggest we are racist. I have posted PM's own words on other threads along with a link. Did you not read it?


terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

wikipedia: Druid- In Celtic polytheism the word Druid denoted the priestlty class in acnient Celtic societies (priests and watchers).
The word Druid probably derived from Indo-European roots meaning 'oak, strong' (tree) and knowledge. It appears in old Irish and Drui as drui, giving druaoi (magician). In modern Irish, and druid is (enchanted) and draoidn (magician) in Schottish Gaelic. Welsh dryio (seer) may be cognate.
\In the strong's dictionary, Def. of magic: to cover, to <u>cloud over</u>; figuratively, to act covertly, practice magic: enchanter, meonimin, observer of times, soothsayer, sorcerer. Whisperer, witches, to use sorcery, witchcraft.
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Keltoi, Galatai, by Greeks, and Celtae and "Gali" by Romans, which <u>evolved into modern English "Celtic and Gaulish".</u>
From sc's fig tree cafe discussion group: the ELITE are Kings and Queens of Ethnos.

[godchild (godchild)]

ETHNOS from Ethnicity: an ethnic group is a human population whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a common geneology or ancestry. Consider themselves to be the only legitimate voice of the state.

The Bible calls God's human creation Jews and Gentiles. The sc followers would have you believe they are the true Jews and all else are the Gentiles. Mormonism teaches the same thing. Only sc goes farther by saying the Gentiles will be totally destroyed, no matter what they say here. RE: Book of Adam, Book and prophesies of Enoch.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild, you still did not answer my question.

So tell me godchild where did all the races come from? Do you also believe the Black race came about because of the sin Ham committed? If you do, that is racist!</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

KJV version of the Holy Bible
Sorcery
Practiced by those having evil spirits.
<u>Forbidden</u>: Lev. 19:26-31
Deut. 18:9-14
<u>Denounced:</u>} Isaiah 8:19, Mal. 3:5
<u>Practiced by Egyptians (not Jews) Isaiah 19:3-11
<u>By magicians:</u>Exo. 7:11-22
<u>By Baalam:</u> Num. 22:6, Num. 23:23
<u>By the Ninevites: </u>Nah. 3:4-5
<u>By Jezebel</u>: 2 Kings 9:22
<u>By Babylonians</u>: Isa. 47:9-13
<u>By Astrologers:</u>Jer. 10:2
<u>By false prophets: Ezek. 13:6-9
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Belongs to the works of the flesh. Gal. 5:20
The wickedness of: 1 Sam. 15:23
Punishment for: Ex. 22:18, Lev. 20:27, Deut. 13:5.
By images (four-leaf clovers, leprauchans, stones, etc.) 2 Kings 23:24, Ezek. 21:21, By rods, Hosea 4:12,
Saul consults with the witch of Endor: 1 Sam. 28:7-25, Books of destroyed: Acts 19:19</u>

[godchild (godchild)]

terlu, look at the table of Nations, that I posted. You might learn something. Have you ever read in the Holy Bible about the "Tower of Babel". What did God do. All men of all tribes came from Adam. We have given scripture showing that God rested on the seventh day after He saw His creation was 'good'. Not creations, CREATION. Don't even insinuate I am rascist.
Show one verse in the Holy Bible that says Adam was 'formed' on the eighth day. Or where eighth is defined as 'new beginnings'.
Shamrock-ed denotes she was given that title, not that she chose it because she is Irish. lol
So explain to us how a person comes to be 'Shamrocked'. Are you Irish?

[godchild (godchild)]

Have any of you ever heard of the 'switch and bait' con. The first few times that you play the game, the con makes sure you will win in order to make you trust his game is honest. Then when he knows that you have complete trust in what he does or says, he does the switch; he has you baited. You should have taken his advice when he says to go to the word, and not just take his for it after you were baited. He knew you wouldn't because you trusted him to do the study for you. He depends on your laziness and dependance on whatever he says. You wouldn't be in the mess you are in. It's the oldest TRICK in the book, one used by conmen so practiced, they can draw away 'even the elect'.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild, you are still skirting my question. Will you please answer.

So tell me godchild where did all the races come from? Do you also believe the Black race came about because of the sin Ham committed? If you do, that is racist!</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

You see what I mean about laziness.
-from the Table of Nations
Modern genetics shows that when a large interbreeding group is suddenly broken (the Tower of Babel), into many smaller groups, which from then on breed only among themselves, different racial characteristics will arise rapidly. It can be shown that one pair of middle brown parents could produce all known shades of color, from very white to very black, in one generation.
The racial characteristics which exist today have not evolved, and generlly speaking, one simply different combinations of pre-existing (created), genetic (hereditary) information. The environment plays a secondary role in favoring certain combinations over others.
I don't expect you to answer my questions. Sc'ers never answer the 'meat' questions, but are generous with the 'pablum'.

[abiyah (abiyah)]

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INFOMAN WROTE: RE: Question for Terluvire
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QUOTE " Why do you follow this idiot obvious racist Arnold Murray? " END QUOTE
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Infoman:

Hello ? Terluvire follows Christ as He instructed her to do so. Have you not noted that she follows God's Word, and Jesus Christ was and IS The Living Word of God. He is that Manna from Heaven, which is The True Bread that feeds the spirit [ Exodus 16:4; Think spiritual food now ]. Try it Infoman... Ooooh it is so very, very Good !

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

<font color="119911">The word confound in the Hebrew is:
H1101
ba&amp;#770;lal
baw-lal'
A primitive root; to overflow (specifically with oil); by implication to mix; also (denominative from H1098) to fodder: - anoint, confound, X fade, mingle, mix (self), give provender, temper.

The word language in the Hebrew is:
H8193
s&amp;#769;a&amp;#770;pha&amp;#770;h s&amp;#769;epheth
saw-faw', sef-eth'
(The second form is in dual and plural); Probably from H5595 or H8192 through the idea of termination (compare H5490); the lip (as a natural boundary); by implication language; by analogy a margin (of a vessel, water, cloth, etc.): - band, bank, binding, border, brim, brink, edge, language, lip, prating, ([sea-]) shore, side, speech, talk, [vain] words.</font>


Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

<font color="0000ff">There is no mention of God creating races of people here. It is only talking about languages.


terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

Someday you will learn (I hope it is not too late; God is patient, but only for time of His choosing) all of us have the blood of all races on earth in us. If you would realize this now, you may save yourself the heartache of losing your children because of the race wars your people are trying to instigate.

My father and mother are considered white. We have english, indian, dutch, french blood in us that we know of. My mother's mother had eleven children. Each of those children had children, only one of which is blonde with fair skin; the rest have black, auburn, brown hair and a combination of eye color. My hair is brown and I have hazel eyes. Would they kill me? I have black friends who 'blush'. How do you people explain these things. By the way, for many years my grandparents were very rascist, on both sides of the family. The first black child is my neice's son, who is Ameican Jamaiican; a beautiful 7 year old boy of high intelligence, and his grandparents and greatgrandparents have given up their rascist ways because he is one of us. How foolish you are! I have 5 siblings. One sister has blonde hair. The rest of us, somehow, got brown hair and blue, brown, and hazel eyes. We all blush. My brother has black hair and he blushes too. Both my parents have dark brown hair. My dad was from England and had a medium white skin. What about your children, neices and nephews, brothers and sisters, and parents?

[abiyah (abiyah)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

MANU WROTE:
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QUOTE " You don’t know Jesus from Joshua. " END
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Actually Manu... Jesus in the Hebrew is Joshua = meaning God's Saviour. Hey.... I could go further than that..... but I will stop there, and keep this simple. But I have to say that I just thought your above quote was somewhat funny.... because Jesus in the Hebrew tongue is Joshua, and now you KNOW ....lol.

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

I have three daughters. Their biological father is German, Aleut indian and Russian. Out of 17 children he is the only blonde. Only one of my daughters has blonde hair. None of my children have blue eyes.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild,

Your family tree does not prove where the races come from, where the races originated.

Your post about the tower of babel does nothing except show where God confused the lanuages. I have a post above, straight from our Father's word, which shows God only confused the languages

terluvire</font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild,

Your family tree does not prove where the races come from, where the races originated.

Your post about the tower of babel does nothing except show where God confused the lanuages. I have a post above, straight from our Father's word, which shows God only confused the languages

terluvire</font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild,

Please show me again where the races come from. Please use our Father's word.

Thank you in advance.

terluvire</font>

[godchild (godchild)]

God did not create races of people. He created Adam and Eve; one race, one blood, one body. It is from them came all races. The first Israelite named was Jacob, son of Abraham. From Jacob, came the beginning of the Israelites, not Adam. Genesis 32:28 All races came from Adam, the first man.
Proverb 30:32-33 If you have been foolish in exalting yourself, Or if you have devised evil, put your hand on your mouth. For as the churning of milk produces butter, and wringing the nose produces blood, so the forcing of wrath produces strife.

[abiyah (abiyah)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

godchild WROTE: Post No. 2919
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AND I DO QUOTE ! " It's the oldest TRICK in the book, one used by conmen so practiced, THEY CAN DRAW AWAY ' EVEN THE ELECT' " END QUOTE
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Oh really now ? It seems you are speaking quit contrary to The Word of God, even speaking from your own heart; and well, that IS a very DANGEROUS thing to do... now, let us look at what God's Word has to say..... IT IS WRITTEN, question is have you read it ?

Mark 13:22
" For false Christs and false prophets
[ teachers of God's Word ] shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, "IF" IT WERE POSSIBLE, EVEN THE ELECT. "

It is NOT possible to spiritually draw away God's election from His Truth or from His overall plan; NOT POSSIBLE ! God has a purpose for His elect..... do you think He is going to allow anyone to draw them away from His will ? I THINK NOT ! Again... it says "IF" it were possible, because it is NOT possible.

Abiyah</font></font></font>

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">godchild,

Quote:
God did not create races of people. He created Adam and Eve; one race, one blood, one body. It is from them came all races. The first Israelite named was Jacob, son of Abraham. From Jacob, came the beginning of the Israelites, not Adam. Genesis 32:28 All races came from Adam, the first man.
End Quote

So one race of people popped out another race. That's what your understanding is right?

Show me in God's word where this took place.

Thanks again in advance.

terluvire</font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

godchild WROTE:
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QUOTE " .....You should have taken his advice when he says to go to the word,... " END QUOTE
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Jeremiah 17:7
" Blessed is the man the TRUSTETH in THE LORD, and whose hope The LORD is. "

Don't put your trust in any man, man is far from perfect. But rather, Trust God, READ HIS WORD FOR YOURSELF ! And you will never go wrong... allowing The Holy Spirit to lead, guide, and direct you; just ask and you SHALL receive, seek and you SHALL find![Matt 7:8]



Abiyah
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[godchild (godchild)]

terlu, I gave the verse in Genesis. Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as <u>through one man</u> sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to <u>all men</u> because all sinned--(For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam who is a type of Him who is to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by one man's offense many died, much more the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.

Sin came into the world through Adam, not Cain. Death came into the world through Adam, not Cain.

You need to understand the Bible does not say angels were created in the image of God, MAN was. Lucifer (satan) was/is a fallen angel, not a man.

1 Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, the first man Adam became a living being. The last Adam became (Jesus Christ) a life-giving spirit.

Please answer the rest of my questions. I need to take a momentary break.

abiyah, as you may well notice, abi is trying to draw the conversation away to something else. And she had no response to my other statements. Where is her usual denial?

[godchild (godchild)]

terlu, There is a way to show whether I was excluded by a 'private' board. Let's you and I go there at a time of your choosing (comparing with the time noted here for time changes), and see if I can get in and stay. I was blocked, but nonetheless, I will be able to either read the posts, as you say, or not. Either way, what do you think? By the way, you can go check there. I was reading the '8th day' questions and answers.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

if you read enough there godchild....you would come to at least understand our viewpoint. You amy or may not agree but at least you wouldn't need to lie about things. Hearsay is just hearsay, that's gossip and God doesn't like gossip.

Please KNOW what you are saying when you speak against a group or teacher.

[godchild (godchild)]

Zeke, The fig tree cafe is open now. I do not need to lie. You have all proven your doctrines are lies. But I do have a question for you. Why is it you come here claiming knowledge about the creation time, and just this morning you were there saying you didn't know if whites were created on the sixth day or all on the eighth. Then asking for feedback. Why, so you could come back here and play mr. knowledge. Where is God in your life. You know, don't you that there was 50 minutes at that board place where it went private. Why, was that ah could come and teach you privately before posting there a less than complete answer to what you all say here.

Does honesty mean anything to you? God knows every single thing done in secret.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

I Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.



<font color="0000ff">godchild this is talking about the first man in Christ's lineage.When God formed Adam from the dust of the earth, he placed a living soul with his body. The last Adam was brought about through the generations of births through the natural process.We read in Luke 3:23-38 the blood line or lineage of Jesus all the way back to Adam. It is through the last Adam that "quickening" or "life giving" spirit enters into man's souls.

If you are going to take that verse literally about Adam being the first man ever, then you have to take literally about the last man being Adam. I mean that's how it reads in the verse, right? I mean the rule shouldn't apply to only half the verse, right? We know that the last Adam isn't Adam but Christ. The first Adam is the first man in Christ's lineage. Please read with understanding.</font>


<font color="0000ff">You still haven't explained where all the races come from.

<font color="0000ff">The Figtree was open all day. There is no password to get into the figtree, there never was. If you are blocked godchild, maybe it is for a reason. Maybe you posted and tried to cause discord among us. The figtree is for Shepherd's Chapel LISTENERS, it says so right on the front page. It is for us to fellowship and learn from one another. If one isn't sure of something they ask fellow servants. All of us make sure to answer through our Father's word. If it is an opinion, it is stated as such.</font>

In the future godchild, I am not going to respond to you. Your tactics are lower than a snake's belly. You truly truly should be ashamed of how you lie and twist words around. It amazes me that you show no remorse when caught! You have some audacity to call us liars. We never outright lied in any of our posts. But you have and you have been caught time after time. What are we to say of the fruit you show. I don't know, you tell us.

Again, where did the races come from?

terluvire</font>

(Message edited by terluvire on March 01, 2006)

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

shake, shake, shake
shake, shake, shake
shake your booties
shake your booties

[infoman (infoman)]

abiyah,

Did you change your name to terluvire?

Is she too illiterate to answer for herself?
You certainly don't help her with your lame posts.

Terluvire,
Are you still continually lieing?

Why do you follow this idiot and obvious racist Arnold Murray?

He continues to try to COVER UP his racism.
He talks like he is kkk all the time.

You know Murray doesn't believe in inner racial marriage.
You know Murray hates Jews.
You know Murray states EVE HAD SEX WITH SATAN.
You know he has threatened people and there is proof on line of this....
among many other preposterous actions and lies.

He is such a joke...and his followers pathetic.

By following him it makes you even dumber than dumb. Watch out for the pit.

[ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)]

shake, shake, shake
shake, shake, shake
shake your booties
shake your booties

I propose we do this to misinfoman aswell.....

[godchild (godchild)]

ter, I am sorry for you that you cannot understand the scriptures. To those that do not believe, the scriptures are foolishness.

And I love the way you expose yourselves. Quote:
<font size="+1"><font color="ff0000">We never OUTRIGHT lied in any of our posts. Outright: to sneer outright. Just little lies, huh. A lie is a lie. Hypocrits.

zeke, your problem is you cannot stand alone. You need to take off the (baby) booties and put on some boots, so that you can take the dirt you brought to factnet with you.</font></font>

[godchild (godchild)]

No, I had no intention of posting on 'fig tree cafe'. I found what I wanted to know.

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Ezekiel

"shake, shake, shake
shake, shake, shake
shake your booties
shake your booties

I propose we do this to misinfoman aswell....."



YES!

Agape,
terluvire</font>

[abiyah (abiyah)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifLOL ! WOW the dust is whipping around from off your boots Ezekiel..... LOL ! </font></font></font>

[johncody (johncody)]

Manu,
You are a fool (wicked person, i.e. son of Cain)

In very the beginning of your appearing on this board I only had to read some of the thoughts and words taken from your posts to know it (and you) came directly from your master Satan lucifer the Devil. I know Satan is your (spiritual) father because you both use the exact same sick and twisted sense of humor. Laughing at the expense of others and their pain. Lacking forgiveness laughing unrepentant without any true love.

I will leave the fool to the folly of his foolish father







-

[johncody (johncody)]

Its just like I said, folks http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

Jesus Christ is our day of rest; He is our Sabbath, so that everyday is a good day.

We can mansion with Christ even today, Spiritually and (for the most part) invisibly,, , It is in His Second Advent that Jesus Christ officially and physically comes in all formality AND GLORY as KING of kings and LORD of lords.

There are some (well many) that dont believe in Jesus or His followers, that is going to happen,,, , , it is a given,,, , in this world because of the way this world is set up at this time.

There are even those that claim to be Christian but reject His awesome power and complete authority by rejecting the testimony of those having personal walks and talks with Him!

I often wonder? How can they claim Jesus Christ, claim to know Christ if they have never met Him on some level?

Jesus Christ has power!

I didnt ask Him to come meet with me,,, ,, ,
He just did it and who could stop Jesus Christ?

I had only asked the good Lord (my God) for a little help, to send His Archangel Michael to come help me. But then, suddenly, the entire Heaven rolled like a wave in the Northern sky with the Chariot of Israel riding on it directly towards me and abruptly stopping above my house and me instead.

If you call me a liar, you are welcome to try complaining to the King of Heaven.
Tell it to His face,,, ,, , what I liar I am. That is, if you are not knocked-back and dumbstruck stupid when Jesus Christ officially gets here with His Army of Saints from the Kingdom of God.

After kneeling and keeping my head bowed down before my LORD KING I will gladly standup before Him and lift-up my face to look upon Him (after He tells me to), and I will gladly face Jesus Christ (GOD) face to face without fear because I already know Him

He is my friend as well as my maker




I His service,

John Cody Parker



God bless

PEACE

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

Johncody,

Your losing it again, (but then again thats redundant).

I talked to the Archangel Michael about you, and he thought you were pretty screwed up too.

I can see my only recourse is to send my flying Kenite’s to visit you tonight while you sleep.

Just relax, we control everything. Even the settings on your electric blanket

[godchild (godchild)]

john, While I do believe the Holy Spirit 'came to you' as you say, your problem is when embracing Him, you forgot to leave your rascist, separatism, superior thoughts and attitudes behind, at the cross. When you become aware of this, only then will you understand agape love, and only then will He be able to do His work in you.
I know that you claim the title of pastor. Did you receive a doctorate for that from a reputable institution of higher learning, or have you borrowed from a mixture of all mentioned above to lay claim to the title? If you have a true desire to know the Lord, you need to ask yourself these questions.

[johncody (johncody)]

The Chariot of Israel wave event of Feb 97 occurred before I even knew of Arnold Murray and the Shepherds Chapel in late Sept of 97.

And as far as I can tell,
It,, ,, , (or something mighty?) is still sitting up there over me (or near by) over the central coast of California. I believe, when the Dragon gets kicked-out of the Heaven he will find himself somewhere over the west coast as the Chariot moves away and out of reach

I could be wrong,
but then this is not a salvation issue only my own personal opinion.

But then,
Saint Michaels Island is located in the Santa Barbara channel near point conception with devils canyon not too far away please read Revelation 12

-


PEACE

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[johncody (johncody)]

Before 97 I never read GOD s Word went to Church or knew anything about the Bible.

I am not a biggot, as my friends will tell you. I went with a black girl for many years my childhood best friend is a Jew naming his first born after me,,, , John.

The only white friends I really have are my four sibling brothers and other close family members

Godchild, I feel it is your mind (not mine) that has been poisoned

-

PEACE

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

That was so tenderly said, johncody. Well I have to say, what the h*ll happened to you that made you an irrational and irritating racist that is a mindless minion of PM? Oh, and yes, you are a cult. Live with it deal with it.

Your miserable life has never exhibited any thing that’s noble or worthwhile. I wonder if you have ever sat alone at night and wondered how worthlessly you’ve spent your life. Now you spend it on the internet trying to ensnare others into your deceptive web. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again; you’re a coward a poltroon a craven fool of someone else’s nightmare. People like you have existed for hundreds of years. Mindless fools that follow some leader because you’re either too stupid or too cowardly to chart your own course. Which is it johncody or john-parker or whatever name your hiding behind?

I was so impressed that you actually dated a ‘black’ woman. Notwithstanding you’re telling us a lie, which is not out of your norm. Was this ‘women’ actually your date or someone you paid to have sex with? Your fraudulent tactics are so transparent here. Oh and did you tell her of your ‘Kenite’ Theory? Nah didn’t think so. You wouldn’t have gotten any brown sugar from her would you?

[godchild (godchild)]

manu, I think he may have dated a black woman and she rejected him. He's never gotten over it probably. This probably added to the fact that he had rascism taught to him as a boy and started him on a path of self destruction that has led him to what we see here. A wigged out chubby boy in a uniform trying to feel important and not understanding why no one else thinks so. The pity is that God loves us just as we are and no one needs to pretend or join a group so wound up in their hate, based on their envy and pitiable feelings of emasculation. No one like this can claim to know the Lord. Where is the peace and the joy in a life like that. There is hope where there is faith. Hate begets hate.

[nrw (nrw)]

My husband is a student of the Shepherd's Chapel [10+ years], he even lived there and went to the Church in the early 90's. I have been studying with them for about 5 years now, but I don't consider myself a student of Shepherd's Chapel. I don't always agree 100% with the teachings, but I respect Pastor Murray greatly [he is human no different than anyone else, but his efforts are pure]. I do research myself, I have long before I met my husband or heard of Shepherd's Chapel. I believe anyone who just blindly follows any idea deceives themselves. We all have the right to choose. With all the false religions in the world why be so obsessed with hatred toward them only? If it is because they teach what you don't believe, does this mean you believe ALL other faiths? Pulling needles out of a hey stack just to have stones to throw at people [whom for the most of you don't even know- they are around 3 million Shepherd's Chapel Students world wide.] is some what sottish don't you think? I just don't understand the anger. I also don't understand by what means do you all claim the right to pass judgement when God is the judge not any man. If it is because their faith is not the same as yours. Then what about the other false faiths by your standard? Do you not consider this passing judgement when you are not equal in your vocals against other religions that are false by your standards?
Pastor Murray is private about some things because of people who blindly pass judgement. Even if he provided documentation of his doctrines publicly, this would not stop people from condemning him or his teachings. It would only give them more wood for the fire they are convinced [by their ideas] that he deserves. You can belive him or not, your choice [every ones right to choose]. Even though I disagree with you, I know you have the right to say your opinion. I don't believe personal remarks about a person's character is necessary [Pastor Murray, the students, or yours]. I'm sure you and everyone else can find a respectful way to voice your opinion without creating hate.

[nrw (nrw)]

Last "the serpent seed teaching". You may disagree with it, but have you ever met a kenite [that knew who they was]?
Long before I knew of this church and long before I knew of my husband, I researched my genealogy. I am a multi mutt [as I call it]. So for me the things I disagree with in their teaching is not the same as yours. I could go on but I know you don't believe me, you don't even believe that part of my bloodline is real. So I'm sure you see my words as empty, my life as false. I don't care.
Nevertheless, everyone has the right to choose. Even the students at Shepherd's Chapel, God's will requires it. If you are against the will of the Lord then judgement and hatred is all you will know. But if you are simply trying to give your opinion because in your idea these people are in a false church, than you should be doing so. Slandering them as individuals is not giving your opinion of their faith alone, but placing yourself in God's seat of Judgement. By that you are wrong regardless of the faith you choose.
Thank you,
NRW

I would ask 'the students of Shepherd's Chapel here', please realize you cannot change the minds of those who are like this [hatred will blind the soul]. The more you try the more you become angered, then you yourself give him more fuel for the fire. Your time would be far more productive flushing a toilet than playing in these anger and hate filled games spawn here. Help a neighbor, teach a friend, we are not to argue the truth of God's word with those who are asleep. Please do not allow your anger because of these few to cost you more than you are willing to lose.
NRW

[godchild (godchild)]

nrw, I don't know you personally. Sottish is one word used by most sc'ers, BUT NEVER AGAINST YOUR OWN FELLOW BELIEVERS. You are calling us foolish and silly. I say you all are 'sottish', but even more than that, you are heretics for following the teachings of bullinger and am. Why don't you look up the word heretic, then you will understand. It is not about attacking a person, but if the shoe fits, you must wear it or take it off and throw it out. Until then, I am not asleep. My eyes are wide open. I think instead of your eyes being on the Lord, they are on your husband. Just my personal observation from your posts. I don't care if your bloodline is 'real'. I would like to know if 'you are real'. That is a statement, and not a question you need respond to. I hope your husband did not send you here, but that you came of your own volition. He will not face God at the judgment in your stead, you will; as for Christians Jesus will be our mediator because we follow Him alone.

[godchild (godchild)]

As a side note: I hope more that the fig tree kids didn't invite you here. I hear from a very good source that they are desperate for volunteers. Desperation isn't where I would want to be. My strength is in the Lord.

[angie0401 (angie0401)]

Quote from godchild:
"Hate begets hate." What have you been showing here? Love &amp; kindness? I don't think so.

Quote from manu:
"you’re a coward a poltroon a craven fool of someone else’s nightmare. People like you have existed for hundreds of years. Mindless fools that follow some leader because you’re either too stupid or too cowardly to chart your own course."
And you, manu, compassion &amp; mercy? No again.

However, I owe both godchild and manu a big THANK YOU. I stumbled on this site looking for information on Shepherd's Chapel. One night, I ran across a SC broadcast, so I decided to look for information on the teachings/Pastor Murray and, lo and behold, found FACTNet and the postings on Shepherd's Chapel.

This is where I thank manu &amp; godchild. I read your posts that were so filled with hate and venom and the SC students' (at least the vast majority) posts that responded with peace beyond understanding - never with personal attacks or absolutely unfounded accusations and vile tones. That convinced me, as EVERY CHRISTIAN'S witness should, that I wanted to know and have what the SC students knew and had.

Thank you so much, godchild and manu, for leading me towards truth.

Thank you even more, tel, abiyah, watchman, ezekiel, etc. for being faithful to God's Word and for your outstanding witness. I know our Father will bless you for your patience, perseverance and faithfulness to His ministry.

[godchild (godchild)]

According to this am follower, here is his view of the sc'ers who post here.



john_parker (john_parker)
Junior Member
Username: john_parker

Post Number: 38
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.138
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 2:38 pm:

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Today we have a presious few Internet forums and message boards started by folks resembling Shepherds Chapel and the teachings of Arnold Murray

Sad thing is, these sites are usually hard to find And sometimes difficult to get onto once you find one. They often have roadblocks and other security measures

And sadly,
they almost always fail because of terrible arguments that frequently erupt amongst the group. They rarely even get along with each other, much less anyone outside the teaching

They are likened to scrappy Wolverines And Tasmanian devils with attitude.

I didnt have much of a choice,
After my encounter with God in 97 I was basically sent to learn more about the good Lord through studying the doctrine Pastor Arnold teaches on tapes and T.V. night and day.
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Do you really want to be in this number?

[manu_forti (manu_forti)]

You know when I signed up here back in January I was thinking of becoming a Christian. Then I came across this website and read what the Shepherds Chapel people had to say about their beliefs and everyone else’s. I was so shocked and dismayed at their hateful and uncharitable attitude I decided to remain a Jew.

angie0401, just sign up today to tell us this sweetie? What’s a matter is it boring over at the fig tree café today. I know how you guys do your private messaging to each other and coordinate your attacks over here. You don’t think we know? Nice try sugar britches.

[angie0401 (angie0401)]

manu,
Yes, I did just register today - that's not a big secret - and yes, just to tell you that. I had no reason to post before today since I was just reading, so there was no need to register. Nothing sinister, just no need.

I can't claim to have read every single post regarding SC, but I have read the vast majority of them since mid-February, and can't see the hateful and uncharitable attitude you claim the SC'ers have - I mainly see it from you &amp; godchild. There are others on here who disagree with the SC students, but they are respectful and not hateful.

If you feel I've attacked you, I apologize. I reread my message several times to make sure that wasn't the case. I know forums can get heated because it's hard to read someone's intentions with only words to go by. I'm just very dismayed at the venom in your posts &amp; the posts of godchild.

FYI - I've never sent a private message to anyone on ANY forum, so your accusations are baseless. If I have something to say, I put it out for anyone to see, I don't "coordinate with private messages" - that would just be rude, like whispering about others...

[terluvire (terluvire)]

<font color="0000ff">Hi angie,

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Thank you even more, tel, abiyah, watchman, ezekiel, etc. for being faithful to God's Word and for your outstanding witness. I know our Father will bless you for your patience, perseverance and faithfulness to His ministry.
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Thank you. Your comment has made it all worthwhile. God bless you in your search for truth.

Agape,
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