TO ABIYAH

[bluewater2]

abihah, on January 1, said to me, "Though I will say this, and indeed I say it with respect to you, and that is I find your attitude to be very disrespectful, in especially some of the things that have come from off your tongue, to your finger tips, to this message board, also your character is very immature. I want to say to you "grow up", but perhaps this is a difficult thing for you to do." In my ongoing desire to become a better person I sincerely asked, "I am curious, what comments have I made that lead you to believe that I am immature, abiyah? I would love to learn from your wisdom." And although you have continued to post in other threads, you have avoided answering my direct and respectful request for you to explain yourself. I normally would not go to such lengths to for a response, but just feel inclined to hold you to the same standards that you seem to want to hold others up to. Since you will not, and I expect, really cannot show me where I was being immature, and knowing that I will not get an apology from you for trying to hurt my feelings by calling me immature, I now have you on the list that I keep of people that are not worth carrying on a conversation with anymore. You join a short list of names, which ironically enough, contain the names of one of your primary antagonists here.

I consider you weak and small since you have wasted my time and not given me the respect of an answer to my sincere question.

I will not respond to you even if you dig something out of your rear as a response to my question. You reflect poor character and do not help to improve the already faltering character of many who post here.

[ezekiel_37]

you should CAN the A$$ talk

[smyrna]

If I were Abiyah, I'd ignore this clown because of his disrespectful language. It's amazing that in the same paragraph he comments on Abiyah's allegedly "poor character." What a joke.

[dodge]

"Disrespectful language," Smyrna? You use inflammatory personal attacks and character assassination rhetoric on "detractors" every day. You are one of the most disrespectful posters here. What a hypocrite!

[skooter942000]

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From Abiyah:

Though I will say this, and indeed I say it with
respect to you, and that is I find your attitude
to be very disrespectful, in especially some of
the things that have come from off your tongue,
to your finger tips, to this message board,



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bluewater,
- Shall i go and find posts to document this?


Are you going to tell her, (WHAT TO THINK)?

-That would be "Cult-ish".



The lack of respect is apparent.
You can see it in Abiyah's message (REPLY).

- SMARTEN UP.

You come here and do nothing but ATTACK CHRIST,
and The Brethren. (And Pastor)

- you revel in it.


- Will this suffice?


- Does IGNORING you hurt?


- So you do have feelings.


- So does she

(i would be careful with your words here)

- (to her).



Yes, Poor Character indeed.

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[godchild]

abi asked what I was talking about when I mentioned the discussion at the fig tree about "the cloud over Mt.St.Helens that looks like am, according to his kids there". There's a page or more there where they are discussing it, but these posts about wraps it up:

Thanks sktruth, Laura I had the same question as you, All I really
understood was that around 1980 was when Sc was opened, And that same year Mt. Saint Helens eruption with the face in the smoke that is Elijah, PM being the spirt of him, So I was tring to figure all of that out, Is all of this connected to the 2300 days ? I believe so, If it's to do with the cleansing of the temple.

and this one:
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Hi truthstudent. Yes Pastor Murray is a very humble man, I have never heard him say that he is the spirt of Elijah either. It is the feeling of some of the students here, Encluding me Because he is teaching truth, chapter by chapter, Verse by verse, And we are understanding truth. olivemas has done a negitive (photo) of the face and it shows much more detail, It is pretty awesome. olivemas, If you see this post could you post that picture again.

As far as for 1981 that is the setting up of the sanctuary if you go back and listen to Daniel or perhaps it will be in the plough section you will see where he talks about 1981,Now the 2007 is the casting down or cleansing of the sanctuary.Now these are just speculative formulas I mean there are not actually definite although the 1981 there was alot that happend with the chapel and all during those years from what I understand so like Pm says just look at it like a benchmark he is not actually saying hey this is the end here at this time,but you still have to try to take a look at the vision and at least try to understand the days cause its there.
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1981 was the year of am's false prophecy. The title of this thread is "current events 2007. am is saying this is the year, folks. You can read the rest at the fig tree (theseason.org). It's a hoot! I'm so surprised abi hasn't heard of this. This isn't the only thread where they talk about it. I'm guessing she must be "behind" in watching am's lessons. Ho-hum.-
Vivian

[godchild]

I have a question. If the "good little figs" are supposed to be here to warn us, how's come they didn't tell us this is the year? Not very good disciples of am, are they? Tch! Tch!

[skooter942000]

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- Now i get it where the "ANGER" originates.




- J_e_a_l_o_u_s_y


- CAIN did not get along with ABEL for this very reason.



(Who would desire to be jealous
of anyone one else)?

- ANYONE ELSE?


- Is this CHRIST-LIKE?


No one should be jealous of my LIFE.
- ( i am partially disabled)




The Grass Greener = Breaking GOD'S Commandment.
"""Thou shalt not covet"""


+ Falling Away , (is not GOD'S WAY)

- Rapture that.


So Study for yourself gc.

You complain when scriptures are used here.
- a professed Christian.

You openly complain time and time again about this.

Did the disciples say,

(Oh LORD, not again),
stop with the Teachings,
we would rather sleep on)....
- While HE was in the GARDEN (GETH...).




You Accuse others DAILY , -i mean -(HOURLY)

The HATE you have fills your soul.

It shows with almost every message.


You align yourself with people who MOCK GOD.
- (And it's in the book)

- These are called WORKS!!!




- Is that CHRIST-LIKE?


JOB when all he went through,
- complained less then you.



When CHRIST wrote in the dirt,
- what were HIS Intentions.

- To Accuse , - or Scatter the Accusers.




Pearls = (no time)

We have shared and you threw it back at us
time &amp; time again.

- As have others.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif- (but not ALL) there are many here i would call Brethren.

For we all fall short at times.
But to be a HABITUAL SINNER, (Is another story).


- Our hands are clean.



- How about yours?



You will not FORGIVE OTHERS.
- When they apologize to you.

I have seen this time and time again.
Not that i judge you.

- THAT'S ALMIGHTY GOD'S (job).

If we fall short and SIN,
HE is our JUDGE.

- not you or anyone else.




- sleep tight good figgy's.

- it is the GOAT FIGS that need to worry.



And to WORRY is a akin to SIN ,
- (shows a lack of FAITH)


Hbr 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible
to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must
believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder
of them that diligently seek him.





COMPLAINING ABOUT HIS WORDS,
- is not a good work.




CHRIST is KING

[i_H_s]

Don <*))><

[bluewater2]

Jesus was just a man in spite of what some ancient document says. The fact that there are so many different sects of christianity that cannot seem to agree on some of the most basic principles shows me that the new testament bible is nothing but a book written by many people over hundreds of years. If christ is king, when is he going to start getting all of his disciples to start working together rather than beating each other over the head which is all I see going on here? There is absolutely nothing productive that takes place on these SC threads other than christians fighting christians. I love it.

[smyrna]

Godchild is so out if it, she can barely read.
Where is any claim by Murray that he is "the spirit" of Elijah? Where is this statement that people think Murray is the face in the cloud of smoke?

This is really too much, even for Godchild.

No one that is a serious student of the SC believes that PM is anybody more than just a good teacher, period.

I've heard all that garbage before, about Murray claiming to be Zerubabbel,or a "special messenger,(all lies). Now she is filling these threads with her latest false accusation, that we think Murray IS Elias or Elijah!

I suppose with all the SC exposure on the airwaves, there may be some people that apply some special identity to PM, but that does not indict the majority of SC students. Really, can't Godchild ever be honest?

Even Pastor Murray has mentioned that he is aware that "unstable people" are quite capable of watching his program, and I don't think he was just talking about Godchild or Arron.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

I wish she (Godchild)would just disappear, but as long as she stays here, I'm just going to continually show how stupid and freaked out she is.

(Message edited by smyrna on February 02, 2007)

[smyrna]

Hey Bluewater:

Do you have a purpose other than to be a clown here?

In any other field of endeavor, debate is healthy, even though it gets heated at times. (politics, science, etc.)

That you cannot recognize that truth as you wallow in your own foolish ignorance just makes you the class clown here.

So I hope you continue to be amused, because I can assure you, you amuse me.

[godchild]

smyrna, I take it you don't go to the fig tree? Why not? Do you think that place is limited to scers? Any person here who doesn't believe me can go there and see what I have posted here was posted by long-time followers of am. The few times there are disagreements is when someone questions am's teachings, whereupon the others rush in and accuse them of not studying enough or trying to cause trouble for am, etc. And that's the end of that. scooter goes there often. Is he going to call me a liar? Abi goes there. She acted like she knew nothing about these studies there. terlu goes there. She doesn't talk about it here. Why is that?

[bluewater2]

"Do you have a purpose other than to be a clown here?" Yes. My purpose is to show fence sitters that might be viewing these exchanges, wondering about god, jesus, religion and life that there is an alternative to religion. Exposing the strife within the christian community, it is my hope, will only help people to understand that man-made idols, idolotry, the idea that jesus was the son of god, are all just ways that man shows no faith in the ability of man to govern himself. I get great satisfaction out of watching you people talk out of both sides of your mouth, preaching tolerance and love out of one side, then talking like serpents out of the other. Again, before you get all "arnold murray" on me, this is not unique to SC'ers, but to christianity, and as world news shows us, but to monotheistic religions in general.

You considering me a clown is understandable when one takes into consideration that you actually believe the bible is the infalible word of god and that somehow you can interpret it in such a way the you think a snake had sex with a human.

But again, that is your belief and I am convinced that the more you put it out there, the more evidence that the fence sitters have that yours is NOT the best system to live by.

That is the clowns purpose for being here.

[abiyah]

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Sincerely asked ? Hmmmmm.... now perhaps you were sincerely looking for an answer, but sincerely asking ? I for one noted a bit of sarcasim in that, especially when you said that you'd... " love to learn from my wisdom" ? LOVE to learn ?? and from my wisdom ?? Now please ... be honest now, you were being sarcastic when you said that ? Correct ? And indeed I did respond to that post in which you speak of, as it can be found under the thread entitled " The Real Threat to Christianity " under my post no. 821. Now... in regard to your question, where you asked what comments did you make which have lead me to 'believe' you are immature ? Do you really want me to go into that ? And also, I really wonder why you care what I think... I put forth that statement with regard to your character as an 'opinion'. So big whip. Yet, I can not help but wonder why you care so much to what I think about you ? For I could care a less of what you think of me. Characterizing you as 'immature' is not so much a 'belief', as it would now seem to be a FACT, as you have shown your level of maturity by even starting this 'TO ABIYAH' thread. What were you thinking when you made that decision ? And that is not to mention all that you have written to me in your opening post, can you not see how that it shows your level of maturity ? Do you find such actions as this to be mature behavior ? And by putting this type of thread forth, it almost seems as though you crave attention. I mean... evaluate you own self and look at your own behavior here, see how that you are hounding me for an answer to a mere opinion that I spoke of with regard to your character ? I accused you of nothing, but merely stated an opinion. And when you hound me for an answer and. you ask, and ask, and ask... you remind me of a little child, a boy, whinning to his mommy, ... give me, give me, give me.

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[abiyah]

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Repectful request ? Lets take a quick peak to the respectful requests that you are speaking.

Repestful request ? NOT SO. Sarcastic and immature request. Yes indeed ! " )

REQUEST No. 1 [ Blu, your post no. 2532 ]
" Please explain. I love wisdom and instruction. So, again, what are the comments that I made that lead you do say I am being immature? Thank you in advance. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif Now Blue, here you said that you LOVE wisdom and instruction, and I perceive that you said that in mocking The Scripture that I quoted to you from Proverbs 1:7. In which I quoted to you to simply show you where you can obtain True Wisdom that helps in every aspect of life, and you know... the thing is I put that forth for you with a sincere heart and my intentions were good. But you mocked that ... correct ?

REQUEST No. 2 [ Blu, your post no. 2534 ]
" I await your wisdom, abiyah. Please direct me to the immature statement that I made so I can correct myself. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif You await ""my"" wisdom ? I hate to disappoint you but there is no such thing as 'my' wisdom.... therefore what you seek from me, I can not help you with, again this is why I desired to show you HOW and WHERE True Wisdom can be found.

REQUEST No. 3 [ your post no. 2536 ]
" I was kind of hoping that abiyah would continue by supporting her statements. I am a patient man. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif A patient man ? Interesting that you would desribe yourself as having patience ? Let's look at your so-called patience. Now, how much time had passed between the first post, to the following so-called "respectful" requests, even to the starting of this " TO ABIYAH" thread? How much time between the first to this thread ? Look... you call that patience ???? I will say this, you have patience, but they are the patience of a child.

REQUEST No. 4 [ your post no. 2537 ]
" I await your wisdom, abiyah. Please direct me to the immature statement that I made so I can correct myself. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifLet me ask you something Blue ? Did I say that you made an immature "statement" ? Or did I speak of your character ? Look again at what I said..." I find" The comment that I made about your character was just my opinion, and that is all it was, I can not express that more. And I know that you are smart enough to know and understand that my opinion of you has nothing to do with wisdom.

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[bluewater2]

My feelings were never hurt. But thanks for being so concerned about my feelings. You apology is accepted.