The REAL threat to Christianity

[skooter942000]

Did you visit the BRAIN_LOCK SITE?

- Oh the fun to be had ,
- if you decide to ;-)




To answer your question:


-( i am a CHRISTIAN )

- get it? (Y/N)




Everything in LIFE is LEARNED.
You did not exit the WOMB knowing anything.

i let GOD teach me.

You let man ,
- (Whom GOD created)




Who is on more stable footing here?



ALL Wisdom comes from GOD.



i know GOD , (_Pretty Well_)

- you don't




Mankind - "HAS REASON" , (therefore can adapt)

snails do not,


- (Do the MATH)





SUBJECT:

The REAL threat to Christianity


= lack of true insight



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Don <*))><

[dodge]

Abiyah, that’s a common mistake, equating modern apes to the hominids that existed millions of years ago. The truth of the matter is that the common ancestor from which humans and modern apes evolved from was neither human nor ape. Humans are cousins to modern apes, especially chimps; and both evolved from a hominid that was neither. We are still evolving. Humans are different in many ways from those that existed several thousand years ago. It’s on on-going process.

[dodge]

Scooter, I have no idea what you mean by “brain lock site,” probably because your posts are close to unreadable. You make these short comments and spread them out into long formats without a hint of sentence and paragraph structure, mostly interlaced with numerous Bible quotes; though I’m glad to see that you’re taking the administrator’s suggestion that you use less verse. I think perhaps you read too much scripture, because it seems to be affecting you ability to communicate intelligently. I would suggest that you start using standard rules of grammar and present your ideas in a more coherent format.

Your answer to my question about how you came to your conclusion that there is no such thing as evolution is an example of your rather odd way of communicating. You say that the answer to my question is that “I am a Christian.” Did you know that millions of Christians around the world accept evolution as a proven fact? Would you like me to list the Christian denominations that are in favor of teaching evolution in schools? The fact of the matter is that your point of view is in the minority among Christians; so telling me that you let “God teach you,” makes little sense. Apparently your God is different than the God that a lot of other Christians believe in.

“Mankind has reason, therefore can adapt. Snails do not.” If that’s your thesis that disproves evolutionary biology, then I think it’s safe to say that the institutions of higher learning around the world who award degrees in evolutionary biology will not be shutting their doors any time soon.

[watchman_2]

abiyah,

I have repeatedly asked dodge to point me to the Evolution Park so that I can take my daughter. Of course, one of the main attractions would be the ape changing into a man. I'm sure that my daughter would love to see that one.

What cracks me up the most about dodge is that he truly believes that evolution junk -- yet discounts the one book that predicts the future as mysticism.

Then, he expects someone to take his comments regarding SCers as serious. LOL

[skooter942000]

DODGE here is the site i shared.
Short term memory loss is not a good sign.

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- And some say we are without intelligence?

[dodge]

Let's see...you don't believe in the process of evolution; but you believe that Satan tricked Eve into having sex with him in the Garden of Eden. You don't believe that homo sapiens evolved from previous hominids over millions of years; but you believe there is a race of people who descended from Satan, who hides in the shadows and has taken over the world to create a New World Order. You don't believe that species have evolved from simpler earlier ones; but you believe that there were giants that walked the earth called Nephilim, that we existed in a previous "earth age" where we were involved in a battle between God and Satan, and that the Serpent Seed, the Kenites, survived the Flood and are the tares amongst the wheat.

Please show me a Bible Park where I can go and watch angels, devils, Christs and Satans play with each other. That would be fun.

[dodge]

Scooter, that brainlock site sounds right up your alley. Have fun.

[godchild]

angie0401 is not trustworthy. She was banned from cultbusters. 13 days later she came back under the name of nunya92629 (kim even recognised her as angie) and promptly got banned again. The others that got banned tried the same thing and got busted. So sneaky, these people. And trying to lie their way into a place they're not wanted.

[watchman_2]

dodge,

Don't worry about the Bible Park --- you are living in that generation in which you will see it for yourself.

[angie0401]

angie0401 is not trustworthy.
<u>I'm</u> not trustworthy? OH, my feelings are REALLY hurt now. How many user names besides vivart do you have at the figtree, Vivian?
Please STOP cyberstalking me! WHY OH WHY WON'T YOU STOP THIS? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[dodge]

And, watchman, don't worry about the Evolution Park -- you are in it right now, as a conscious biological being having evolved from the matrix of planet Earth. Everything that has come before led up to you being here, now. Aren't we lucky? Life is good, precious, rare...enjoy it while you have it. And love our mother, Gaia, that which is the source of all life.

[watchman_2]

dodge,

Don't worry about the Bible Park --- you are living in that generation in which you will see it for yourself.

[yaqakallah]

Whoa, wait a minute...back that horse up ther Godchild. IF Angie was Nunya, I NEVER KNEW IT!!!! That is her business, not mine.

And for the rest of your post. I'm not sure if you are saying I was banned or not. But if I am banned from CB that is news to me.

[dodge]

And don't worry about the Evolution Park, watchie...it surrounds you and is leading you into being a more evolved entity than you are now. That's what it's all about, to grow and transform from a lower, less-evolved being into one who is more aware, more conscious, more loving and accepting of those around you. As is true for you, so it is true for me. I'll meet you in the future, when we are of a higher order of being and are able to see that this separation between you and I is only an illusion. We are all one, and will realize that in time.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Angie said: Please STOP cyberstalking me! WHY OH WHY WON'T YOU STOP THIS?http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

That's cuz she loves ya Angie. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif</font>

[bluewater2]

Watchman says, "Don't worry about the Bible Park --- you are living in that generation in which you will see it for yourself." I say "Ya wanna bet?"

[david_munson]

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I thought at first there was something "fishy" about Dodge but now I find that he's a "monkeys uncle".

Sorry Dodge but I can't let humor like that escape.
No offence meant.
(not that I think you petty enough to be offended at that,LOL)

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[godchild]

Oh kim. On a thread here people were talking to "angie0401". "angie0401" was defending her actions. You came on and posted that they were just mad because "nunya" showed me. The admin at cultbusters is very intelligent. There are programs that show him who is who. Angi is lying again and you support it.

And no, I wasn't saying you are banned from cb. How would I know that? It's not my site.

[skooter942000]

- Funny Stuff Davidhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif


"Monkey's uncle"

Where are the WALKING man-apes.

I see man
I see apes

Both exist

But where are the Ones in-between?


- More Scientific "JUNK".




QUOTE:

Homo habilis were taller than their ancestors,
the human-like primates (Lucy's people),
and had larger brains.

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- ooh "monkey brain's"
(reminds me of indiana jones/temple of doom)





(Lucy's People)

- FIRE G000000000D




It is a shame these people don't want Salvation.

- A BIG BANG Theory, can't save you.


They can't see this LIFE is a stepping stone
to something much better.


- If this were all there was, (...wow)






i hope, (For MY HEAVENLY FATHER'S SAKE )- first,
that everyone decides to accept CHRIST as JESUS.

ALMIGHTY GOD wants all of HIS children to LIVE.
- (That were "born from above" - into flesh).




The "ANOINTED ONE" [is] "YAH'S SAVIOR"
- Accept no substitute.



Don >*)))><

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[bluewater2]

Convenient scientific methods:
Great when they eliminate polio . . . . .


inconvenient when they refute biblical idiocy.


Lifes granduer********

. . . . not enough for those with sad lives


. . . . there must be more than this sad life of mine.


Common ancestors

. . . . Different than direct!!!!!


Big bang phooey!!!!

. . . . The Big Bang, just the last of many!


The first law of matter . . . .


. . . . matters!!!!


Life after death = no personal responsibility now!


This life is excellent.


It is enough for those that make things happen.


Not enough for those that don't.


Statement about end times made . . .


. . . . wager offered.


None taken . . . .


Lack of belief displayed.


B-:-P \/\/ ater

[yaqakallah]

Godchild,

Honestly, listen to me. IF Angie was posting as nunya I know NOTHING about it! That is the truth! I do not want to be mixed up in some argument that I am not apart of!!!

PLEASE! Where is your proof that I knew this that you accuse me of?

[godchild]

Kim, The interesting thing about that long back and forth between Christians and scers, I was gossiped about by angie and I wasn't even posting there. Then you came and made your statement. I'm not going back to look for it. You do it. You all have such short memories. Everyone knew nunya was angie, long before you mentioned it, so don't feel like you "busted" your friend. Here is the end of your post:

And you guys are just peeved because Nunya pointed out Godchilds tactics.

Go crawl back to your 'Queen of Mean"....I am sure she has more work for her 'peons'
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I've used one name at the season. Never changed it. I've never insulted anyone, or even discussed what I see as a whole lot of bamboozled people. I've yet to be banned from a site. angie, on the other hand, was banned under the username angie0401, then came back under a different name. Why? To look for ways to attack those she assumed caused her demise there, not taking responsibility for her own actions. Her very first post was a big, fat lie. It was when someone accused me of being a spy. How they got that from my listening to 3ABN, I'll never know. I had never read Ellen White's books or knew her history. Several of the pastors at 3ABN are black. I saw no reason to think they held rascist doctrines. Anyway, angie went right there and sided with that person. Let's see her post:
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I think RU has a point, if it's what I'm thinking about.
I came on here to find out about several different cults, but mainly the Seventh Day Adventists because of my mother-in-law's friend. I noticed that godchild, who seems to have a lot to share about almost every cult (with some really informative, in-depth analysis by the way) didn't post anything. (Thanks to everyone who did post with that great info!)

I was surprised, to say the least, especially when I was reading through all the other threads where godchild posts a lot of info/opinions. But, I thought maybe godchild just didn't know anything about them. That is, until just now when I was reading through the post about Benny Hinn and I noticed that godchild watches 3ABN - the SDA channel, I presume. So, I guess that's probably what RU was trying to point out. It gave me pause, made me wonder if I should reach out and try to help godchild not get caught up in a cult, but I figured you all seemed to know more about than I do, so I wasn't sure what to do....

Still not sure what to do, but I know that you all seem to be really concerned, so I'm sure you'll handle it.
Just my 2 cents...
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Look at the number of times angie has brought up the 3ABN thing here? About as often as she responds to my posts.
All this coming there pretending concern, pretending ignorance, pretending to be there for another reason. What a crock. That was her first post as nunya. As soon as she got busted, she either stopped posting or got banned again. She also pretends not knowing about "another angie0401". As if she hasn't googled before. If she hasn't, she's not very smart, is she?

[yaqakallah]

You LIE!!!! How many times have you got to be told girlie??? I did not nor do I know that Angie is Nunya!!!! Got it?!?

JUST because I post under someone else in no way infers I know them!!!

I am sick to death of your lies and accusations about me and many others on FN!!!

Grow up and get on your knees! You are losing it again!!!

God knows, and nunya knows the truth....that is for sure!!!

[godchild]

Nunya knows the truth? Was that a slip, kim. Did you mean to say angie?

Many others? Not lies but I do expose about 6-8 others here. Get used to it. The truth will out.
This is not child's play. Maybe you should stick to finding a way to care for your children by growing up and not trying to find a mate here, especially sending one explicit photos and such after knowing him via internet such a short time. That's not the path a young Christian mother should take. Spend your time more wisely. Stop playing your silly games trying to impress.

[smyrna]

Kim, You wrote: "You (Godchild)LIE!!!!

Do you really mean that? Godchild lies? Wow, what a surprise to hear that!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

What I think we should so is get together with all our SC posters here, and start to sift through the posts, and place all the lies that we have proved she has committed on one thread.

This will take some time, but what fun we will have!

And this way we should be able to put to rest any doubts that she is not only a liar, but simply way off the deep end.

[david_munson]

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On the same note,(sort of any way)
If I believe in a God that doesn't exist and I die I am no worse off than any one.
If you do not believe in God and he does exist then you are in a world of hurt.

My belief does not infringe upon your right to not believe.

Psalm 118:8

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[dodge]

"Jacobsladder33," a SC student who posts at the Fig Tree Cafe, wrote, "There is tons of writings about who these kenites were/are throughout history. It pretty much sums it up the way Abbzeq has, they are the Jews." (post #345, "Kenites 101" thread).

"alisicia," a SC student at the Fig Tree Cafe, wrote, "I my self was thinking about the KENITES of today, and then I started looking at who is who in the television, and business industry, why was I hearing so much about the Jews taking over in hollywood?

I began to pay attention to who these people were, and I looked up some of the American Jews, in business, some of the names like:

David Geffen, Brad Grey, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Keven Reilly, Zucker, Bob Wright etc; at askmen.com

Then I looked in: American Jews

I also paid attention to who the American Jews where associating themselves with, people like Steven Speilberg, Ang Lee, Peter Jackson, Woody Allen, George Clooney, there is an endless list of people who have the backings of the "Kenites".

I was looking at a documentary of the great movie makers of the 1920's and up, on The History Channel, remember the name Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, the great movie makers?

Goldwyn, was a Jew who came to America, during the time of early migrations to America, he married a catholic,and he was the subject of a lot of greediness, and wanting to be in control of what the public saw, and about owning the whole of hollywood. He wanted to own all of the other movie makers, and they fought him tooth and nail. He eventually left Metro, and Mayer, and became a multimillionair, through usury. Goldwyn's name still stands in Hollywood. He has a daughter, and a son, who are still living, still carrying on their fathers business.

Henry Ford wrote a lot of books on the behavior of the Jews in the Banking, and all around business doings during the time of his automoblie making. (I don't think he knew about the influence of the "Kenites", he just called them Jews.( which is bad for the true tribe of Judah) Those books are hard to find, because of the (subject) of his writings. Jews and the banking industry." (frolm "Kenites Who and What" thread, post #41)

These types of posts are too numerous to quote all of them; but the fact is that there are those who claim to be Shepherds Chapel students posting at SC-related sites that Kenites, the Serpent Seed, the Evil Blood of Satan, are...Jews. I take the sum total of what I hear students of Arnold Murray say and do, and this sort of racist thinking is part of their philosophy and it creeps out here and there, though most of them are very careful what they say.

[yaqakallah]

Godchild,

Honestly, what is wrong with you? You oviously do not serve God, but yourself.

Expliced photos of me? Searching for a mate here? Not caring for my children?

WHAT are you gossiping about??? GOSSIP! PROVE IT!!!!

AND for your information, I landeed a great job which starts Monday with the lartgest and most prestious firm in town. A multi-billion dollar Corporation and I ain't the secretary...you dig???

I seriously doubt your "christian heart" could comprehend just what hell the kids and I have had to endure nor appreciate how God has seen us THRU IT!!!!

I am not one to believe in gossip. But, I must admit, the gossip about you being mentally instable and a drunkard DOES come into question when I read your attacks on innocent folks such as myself. And your lack of compassioon is PROOF for me that you my dear are not of the body of the Brethern!!!

You have allowed yourself to be a tool of the Devil!!! You are mean, and make ugly accussations to everyone on your personal 'hit list'!

Smyrna,

YES!!! it is time to start a new thread posting all of her lies. It will take weeks to compile, nmaybe even a month or 2. But it is time we put this Devil on display and warn others to avoid her!!!

[godchild]

I'm gossiping? Kim, you started a whole thread here "I Need Your Help Please", exposing your problems with David to the world. YOU asked all of us to go to the tt threads to see how david had dumped you for someone else. Well, a lot of us sympathized with you and went to those threads and saw where david threatened to post the explicit photos/with love letters you sent him, on the internet if you didn't leave him alone. Admin finally stepped in to stop his and your sordid little internet love affair gone bad. You brought it here, you begged us to get involved. Don't cry over spilt milk now. From now on, I suggest you stick to the subject here, am/sc. You stay out of MY business, I'll stay out of yours.

[watchman_2]

dodge,

I agree that it is confusing for the novice to understand the Kenite/Jew issue. The poster from the Fig Tree did; however, make a distinction in his post, if, indeed, you copied it accurately when he wrote,

which is bad for the true tribe of Judah

One should be careful to refer to them as "Kenites" or "pretend/false Jews" in order to distinguish them from the real Jews. As you have falsely inferred in past posts that we say the Jews are Kenites, so do others. Of course, the Fig Tree poster has assisted in that confusion.

BTW, we don't say they are evil by birth...but, only evil if they follow the ways of their fathers [Cain]. Kenites have the same opportunity as any other person for salvation [John 3:16].

[yaqakallah]

UHHH, Godchild.....yes that is true. I posted it, remember???? Are you honestly saying that I brought this matter to light 'knowing' David was going to post harmful lies about me? did he? no, he did not...ie photos.(would you please post the photo's please)

Are you saying that after you read the garbage he dumped at my door that you BELEIVE him???(yes or no please)

Yes, Dan of factnet stepped in at my request and did more than ANYONE here besides myself knows. He and I have a 'secret'. Dan is a great guy!(OOO! I know something you don't, what a scandal!)

I am not crying over spilled milk, you are by keeping all of us reminded of what DAVID did to me which was WRONG!!!(or are you siding with him and find his actions honorable?)

As far as staying out of your business missy, you FIRST must stay out of mine!!!!(fair is fair, right?)

And, yes, this is SC threads. Care to enlighten ALL of us as to why you posted HERE on SC threads a post about Herbert Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God???(your words, not mine)

You my dear are either:

1.) a wolf in sheep's clothing

2.) mentally ill

3.) a drunk/drug addict

4.) all of the above

BUT...I do know by your numerous posts that you are full of hatred and delight in hurting others for past sins and honest mistakes, telling out-right lies on others and appear to 'get off' on making false accusations on your victim(s) of the day/week. I can only *ASSUME* that you do this so you can have people under your thumb(so you think) and have more reasons to post.THIS is a symptom of a person who craves 'control' usually found in people who have no control over their own lives...ie 5 failed marriages and a history of 'needing' to feel needed and special....ie, the content of your posts and your 25 years of membership in a true 'cult'...ie, The Morman church.

My suggestion(although you will disregard it) is to get into a good 12-step program, seek professional mental help and join a support group and then find yourself a good Bible based church or home group and READ and STUDY your Bible(NOT the Morman version) praying constantly for wisdom and understanding so that you can be free of your torment. No one should live the way you do. You are probably unaware(oviously) of the damage you have done in your attempt to spread the Good News. If you are of pure heart and comepletely unaware of this, then you are saved. But, IF your posts are made with conscience intent......Well.....U know!

[franklin]

If all of Godchild's words and posts here on factnet prevent one innocent soul from becoming one of the S.C. brainwashed "students" then all of the hatred she has received from you yaq yaq and the other serpent seeder wolfpack robots will have been worthwhile.

Godchild, like me, is not perfect but she is trying to do God's will here by revealing this perverted non scriptural heresy called the Serpent Seed. She will be blessed by God for it.

You are doing the opposite! Your insults reveal your cultic behavior. So will be your reward yaq yaq.

[yaqakallah]

Franklin,

You need some help, really...Your reputaion here on FN is near equivelant to hers. Her attempts at helping God only harm the Good News. How many atheists have told you this....ATHIESTS Franklin!

I never said she is perfect. Non of us are, including you. BUT, you 2 would be the LAST people I would turn to, to help me out of a cult and help me regain myself and to learn the truth of God's word. Just look at all the names you just called me Franklin in your one post to me. If God spoke to me and told me to get away from SC you 2 are the last ones I would come to for any assistance. You might want to re-look at how you treat others you claim to be under the control/influence of a Cult....ie, me hanging out with SC students. You have deceived yourself if you think you are doing the will of God. I would never turn to you 2 for spiritual guideance if this situation were to ever occure.

Just some food for thought....

I know, in one ear and out the other.....

[franklin]

I certainly don't need any help from a serpent seeder. My help comes from the one true God. Who created Adam and Eve, the first humans, on the sixth day. My reputation is intact as a Christian. I defend the Holy word of God. If you want to sling mud at me like the atheists, serpent seeder racists, satanists and the word of faith heretics go ahead lady!

I've been around and around with the atheists defending Christianity. Many times more than anyone here on factnet. They hate my guts.

The serpent seeders you defend hate my guts also. They keep good company with the atheists.

The satanists hate my guts.

The word of faith heretics hate my guts.

So out of all of those who hate me I know that God loves me and I know I am trying to spread the gospel. And part of the gospel of Jesus Christ is to reveal the heretics.

Tag! You're revealed!

You need the tough love that Godchild and I offer you! We might be the last ones you turn to to get out of the Serpent Seeder cult. But our words are settling into your soul. The seed of God's true word has been planted. Whatever you do...... GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS SERPENT SEEDER CULT! IT IS DEMONIC!

If I oppose Arnold Murray, Shepherd's Chapel, all of their "students" then I AM doing the will of God!

YOU are the one who is deceiving yourself into believing that Eve had sex with satan and that the Jews are the spawn of satan!

But I know in one ear and out the other......

[yaqakallah]

You are deluted. I am a Sabbatarian. Why don't you go look that up...OK?

You do not do the will of God nor do you or Godchild offer tough love. You only want me to beleive whatwever you beleive is 'truth' and you want me to hate Sc and anyone associated with them. I suspect you probably hate the janitor, the maintance men and anyone else that work there as well.

By the way, just what are your beliefs???

PS...SC students here do not hate you nor do I. We hate your sins, and they are many...

[franklin]

Then go defend Sabbatarians. Not racist serpent seeders.

I don't believe that Eve had sex with satan.

DO YOU?

And you are doing the will of God defending racist heretics?

I do not hate or have ever hated anyone. I do hate racism and heresy!

DO YOU?

I believe that Adam and Eve are the original human beings created by God on the sixth day of creation. That all humanity comes from them. That Adam is the father of Cain. That the great flood destroyed all humanity except for Noah and his family. I believe that all humans are equal in the eyes of God and all are equally capable of salvation. I believe there are no kenites, no spawn of satan.

Do you agree with me or not?

My sins are many?

Lady, you just called Godchild mentally ill
and a drunk/drug addict.

What a freaking hypocrite you are.

If you are not a racist then get off of these threads defending these racist heretics!

[yaqakallah]

Please go seek mental health. You are clearly emotionaly unstable.

"freaking hypocrite"....THIS is YOUR language. How you gonna offer support to anyone seeking refuse from a cult???

I did not call godchild mentally ill, drunk or drug addict. BUT I suspect one or more applies to her from her posts and her claim of being a disciple of christ yet her posts reflect otherwiswe. You may also lump yourself into that position yourself.

You forgot wolf in sheep's clothing on the 'list'.

Was that intentional???

Sorry Franklin, but neither of you have the capacity to 'help' anyone until you both get 'help' for yourselves.

Even the atheists see this. Really, do this for yourself, your families so you CAN oneday OBEY Christ and do the will of the Father.

PS....IF that many people hate you Franklin, ask yourself, why? It is your approach. You mistreat people and people do not like you for that one reason.

PS. Please show me one post were I support/defend the Serpent Seed Doctrine. And you call me a hypocrite! Franklin, really, you need help.

[franklin]

Just like your clone serpent seeders any way you can to avoid answering a straight question concerning your heretical, blasphemous beliefs you'd rather throw mud and insults. First you accuse godchild of being mentally ill, a drunk and a drug addict now you are hurling insults at me.

What in the world would you know about obeying Christ?

You are here perverting the bible and insulting all of those defend the Holy Word of God.

I'm glad you agree with the God hating atheists about me. Shows where you stand. With them.

I do not concern with people like you who hate me. No more than the atheists, satanists, or woffer heretics who hate me. There is no other way of being a Christian now a days than to be hated by those who do not know God.

You call GC mentally ill, a drunk, a drug addict, Sharon a witch and it is I who mistreats people?http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

YOU are delusional.

Answer the question!!!!!!!!!!

Who is the father of Cain?

Adam http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif or satan?

[smyrna]

I don't blame anyone for accusing Franklin of being drunk or delusional, because he asks the same questions over and over.

Since I'm in a good mood as usual, I'll answer:

The "nacash" which the KJV translates as 'serpent', is Cain's father. And if Franklin doesn't want to believe that, then he doesn't. He can rant and rave, he can call us names, he can be judgemental, but he won't change my mind about my beliefs, or apparently anyone else's.

Funny thing is, his own little group over at CB have posted articles claiming that Moses didn't write the Torah, and that satan was just a "concept" that underwent "development" and that they "assume" that "liberal" theology is correct.


This is quite a paradox, this group called Cultbusters, as they on one hand embrace fundamentally oriented beliefs and doctrines, and then swing all the way over to the movements of "higher critics" who offer such wild speculations, it makes the Serpent Seed teaching seem like it should be part of the Nicene Creed in comparison.

And I say until the CB crew can work their way out of their confusion, they remain light years away from attaining any qualifications to challenge or oppose Serpent Seed or any other doctrines they have an issue with.

Of course, they will not do this, but that's why we find them so highly entertaining.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[franklin]

yaq runs away without answering the question. What's so hard for a Christian to answer the question who is Cain's father?

I asked yaq!

Not you. I already know your twisted answer!

Just another name caller like yaq!

I have nothing to do with what others on cultbusters believe. One thing we do not believe is very fundamental. Eve did NOT have sex with satan. And Adam, not satan, is Cain's father.

Yaq, I know you are reading this. Answer the question. Quit running away!

I want to hear YOUR answer!

Who is the father of Cain?

Adam http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif or satan?

[yaqakallah]

Franklin,

Get some help, please. It is 11:20 at night. You accuse me of running from you. I do not 'live' on the computer. I have been spending time with my family and the family which we live with.

I do not live to serve you nor answer your questions. Get yourself some help and learn to love with a humble heart. It is a much better way and will bring you much joy and peace.

Please, divert your energy which you now use to harm and start using it to heal the wounded. You vcan make a difference if you will only try.

God loves you Franklin. Turn to him.

[smyrna]

Good post, Kim. But I'd tell him that you believe satan is Cain's father, just to see him go off the deep end for the ten thousandeth time.

I see he's getting a bit uneasy about the conversation about satan over at CB.

Hey, this is pretty funny what Frankie wrote:

"One thing we do not believe is very fundamental.Eve did NOT have sex with satan. And Adam, not satan, is Cain's father.'

Well, of course they wouldn't believe that. They don't believe Satan exists! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[franklin]

yaq:

YOU need all the help we can offer you. You think making hurtful accusations such as this toward godchild and myself is the way a Christian behaves:

"You my dear are either:

1.) a wolf in sheep's clothing

2.) mentally ill

3.) a drunk/drug addict

4.) all of the above"

I don't need any help. I just need an answer from you. If you claim you are NOT a serpent seeder then what is the problem? Answer the question.

I want to hear YOUR answer!

Who is the father of Cain?

Adam or satan?

[smyrna]

Kim,
If I were putting my money on it, I'd say "all of the above."http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[franklin]

Let yaq answer for herself. Are you her cult leader and spokesman?

Who is the father of Cain?

Adam or satan?

[smyrna]

Hey frankie, maybe you should tell Godchild to let YOU answer questions directed towards you. She is always trying to keep you from being put on the spot.
Too bad you don't show her any loyalty, by sticking up for her when she claims that satan does not exist, and that Moses did not write the Torah.

Get a clue, Frankie. Kim apparently is not here or just thinks you are some nutcase, who doesn't deserve and answer.

Frankie seems obssessed with what Kim does or does not believe. I wonder why?

[franklin]

Where did gc write that satan does not exist or Moses did not write the torah word twister? Where is your proof?

And what does that have to do with YOU beleiveing that Adam and Eve had sex with the devil and that all Jews are the spawn of satan?

Why does yaq defend the serpent seeders if she does not believe the serpent seed doctrine? Very strange!

Let her answer the question.

I am not the nutcase here slanderer. You, yaq and the rest of your wolfpack are the ones calling people insane just because we oppose your racist heresy.

[sharon]

But Franklin she does believe it, what makes you think she does not?
I do not understand all this changing of names, have we not been the same from the beginning... Of FN , and always.
Who is Yaq? Or who was she? Why do they change their names? She is a believer for she defends the claim that satan slept with Eve, is that not right? If she accepts the Mother of the human race indulged in sex with animals then she is of them. Is that not a fact? Mr. Murray waving a gun around, and we all know how Jesus rebuked Peter for using a sword, not just rebuked but healed the guard, but Peter was trying to save the life of his friend, at the possible loss of his own and Jesus still rebuked him. What of Murray who lost his temper at name calling? She is still following and defending this action. Do you still believe she is not one with them? Jesus makes it plain, you are either FOR me or against me. She is against, for she is on the side of those who call Eve a harlot, Murray a Pastor and Jews the sons of satan. Still think she is not with them? Does it matter if she says she is not, for did you expect truth? If she does not believe them why is she here in a cult busting board, if she does not follow them and she is not a cult buster what is she? Only for or against, no other way.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Sharon and Franklin,

Kim has made it quite clear the whole time she was posting here that she's not sure about the Serpent seed doctorine. She stated she has to do more study. I think that's pretty fair of her. Don't you think? Or do the two of you base your decisions by what others say with absolutely no studying on your own?

BTW, she told everyone of her name change and the reason why as soon as she did it. I think that's pretty honest of her. Don't you?</font>

[franklin]

Yaq has more than enough time to "study" whether or not Adam and Eve had sex with satan and whether Cain and the Jews are are the spawn of satan. I even showed her Genesis 4:1 to help her decide. She's playing a game. She's like plow deep who pretended not to be a serpent seeder. You guys are so duplicitous. If yaq is going to name call and question people's sanity all in defense of her so called serpent seeder "friends" then yaq is going to be called on it. What is wrong with yaq answering a question? I know all of you believe that Eve a whore, Adam a queer, and the Jews to be the devil's kids. I want to know if that is what she believes. But she spews her slander then slithers away..... So phoney. Scers have no friends outside of the cult. yaq does everything a SC "student" does yet she wants to pretend she is not one of them. So phoney. She needs help.

[yaqakallah]

Sharon,

You need to re-read ALL of my posts. Everything you have stated cannot be backed up with not one single post that I have made. Dear, you are making false accusations.

And, for the umteenth time, I do not know the SS Doctrine enough to say yes or nn, honestly. It is not something I dwell on. Reason I am here, because I am a Christian woman and I enjoy fellowshiping with other christians. The SC students have been very good to me and quite supportive of my life trials. More than anyone!

Please, look for one post were I support the SS Doctrine. There are'nt any. It is all in print. Why do you have such a hard time with this?

And as for my name change, I posted the change the day I made it and stated the reasons why. I did it here on the SC threads, here on the Doctrine etc threads, and also at CB.

If you are going to take such an intrest in my life, please keep up!

[franklin]

Someone who professes to be a Christian and yet yaq does not know whether Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day of creation or not. Does not know whether Adam and Eve are the mother and father of all humanity or not. Does not know whether Adam and Eve had sex with satan or not. Does not know whether Adam or satan is the father of Cain. Does not know whether the great flood destroyed all of humanity except for Noah and their family or not. Does not know whether the Jews are the spawn of satan or not......

Absolutely unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!

[smyrna]

Frankie wrote:"Where did gc write that satan does not exist or Moses did not write the torah word twister? Where is your proof?"

The proof is right there on your beloved CB site, under the thread: Let's Talk About Satan.

She did not write her denial, she agreed with "illogical_al's" post where he pasted stuff denying satan existed, that satan was a "concept" that under went "devolpement"

"illogical_al's" cut and past job included mention of what scholars know as the Documentary Hptothesis, which theorizes that the Torah was written by several authors,(not Moses) which are denoted by letters such as J, D, E, and Y which you can easily see in "illogical_al's" cut and paste job, which GODCHILD agreed with!

THAT is the PROOF, that she agreed with all that illogical_al posted.

[godchild]

franklin, It is unbelievable when you read kim's first posts.

Here she says her other church taught British Israelism:

Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 1:20 pm:

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I for one am sick of Franklin calling me a racist.

Look Franklin, before I moved I attended The Living Church of God which Is Sabbatarian. We met in a Hotel meeting room and out of the 20+ members, MOST were black. And the British Isrealism(which I think you call it) is widely taught there as well as ALL the Church of God sabbatarian Churchs. If the Blacks had no problem with it why you. Are you Black Franklin and find this teaching offensive?
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Before this she said she had studied with am for years:

Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 4:18 pm:

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I ran across this today and it has really shaken me up. I have studied with him for years. The address is as follows(you must type it in exactly as it appears. When you get to the page, scroll down to the third paragrpah and click onto the underlined words in blue. It will take you to an adio that is only a few seconds long, but very disturbing. I am still shaking from it.) http:/www.carm.org/chapel/shepherds_chapel.htm (http://www.carm.org/chapel/shepherds_chapel.htm)
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After this:
HER 4TH POST
Christ would have never said what Pator Murray said. Never! So why would one of Christ's "true disciples" behave this way? Can the annointed of God behave this way without repenting to God as well as publically? There is no memtion of any apology on the Shepherd's Chapel website. And as for the one who posted the audio on his website. The only reason I can see is to bring the truth into light.(I posted the audio link here and my only motive is truth) <u>Pastor Murray did say to put a 9MM gun on a young boy</u>. Why did he not say first, "Everybody get down, He's got a gun in his hand?' Logic dictates that this guy •••••• Arnold off and nothing else. Putting a gun on someone is never right. He had time to add the words 9MM but not warn his congregation to protect themselves? Would not the men which apparently apprehended the young man already know to pull a gun on a man who already had a gun in his hand to begin with?
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it only took a few posts by scer's to convince her she was "over-reacting" and am is a wonderful, loving pastor. Since ihs brought the pistol-packing preacher up again, she's been defending am's actions with all her might.

In a way, it is believable. This woman is thoroughly confused. Being a sabbatarian bi, she wonders why I mentioned g t armstrong.

[godchild]

Today there are many groups and individuals promoting British Israelism.

• One of the foremost proponents is Herbert W. Armstrong and his Worldwide Church of God. Armstrong's presentation is different from that of most teachers of the doctrine, as he is the head of a cult, and British Israelism is simply one part of his mixed-up theology. Therefore, some other peculiar doctrines are added to the standard British-Israel message. Armstrong's teachings are propagated through the Plain Truth magazine and on The World Tomorrow broadcast. His book, The United States and British Commonwealth in Prophecy contains the major elements of British Israelism as preached by Armstrong.

British Israelism is not a sect nor is it a cult in the normal sense of the term. The movement is interdenominational and normally does not try to persuade its members to abandon other beliefs. The movement is loosely organized, being divided into widely scattered groups, therefore there is generally little control over the members. According to John Wilson, British Israelism is "an appendage to orthodoxy, existing on the periphery of what is normally believed. , . ." Not too surprisingly, therefore, British Israelites will often remain members of orthodox churches.
Isn't that the truth!

[smyrna]

Nice cut and paste job, Whackchild, but the information is a bit dated. Armstrong has been dead for may years. As a matter of fact,his son, Garner Ted, is also dead.

The facts behind what is called British Israelism are a collection of historical FACTS. And that is the real reason those who accept those facts are so diversified throughout the Churches.

The person who wrote what Godchild pasted is an example of the anti-semitism that is rampant among those who deny the tie between the tribes and the British Isles.

After all, where do people think the tribes went in the Diaspora, another planet?

Now we can add to the growing list of things in the Bible that Godchild denies.

"I will scatter them into corners (four corners of earth) I will make the remembrance of them to cease from among men..." Song of Moses, Duet. 32.

Godchild, in order for her to deny that the tribes came to not only the British Isles but all over Europe, must deny the very Word of God, and also abandon common sense. After all, the Jews DID leave Israel, and they DID scatter all over the globe, and they DID populate the British Isles and may other lands.

It is because those who hate the Jews don't want to accept that they came from those tribes, that is at the root of their anti-semitism.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Smyrna,

I love this quote:
It is because those who hate the Jews don't want to accept that they came from those tribes, that is at the root of their anti-semitism.

Thumbs up!

Ter</font>

[franklin]

"The facts behind what is called British Israelism are a collection of historical FACTS."http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[godchild]

Yes, the true Jews have been scattered. This is not what bi is about. It is saying the real Jews are fakes, and gentiles are the real Jews, which is a lie.

[yaqakallah]

Excuse me but Herbert Armstrong is dead many years, The Plain Truth Magazine is also no longer in exeistance for many years. Maybe a decade.

Garner Ted was his son who his Daddy Herbert disfellowshiped him and he to is dead. I never studied under either of them.

Get your facts straight. You clearly stated earlier to me that this was SC threads and for me to stay on topic. How about you do the same???

PS. America and Geat Britian as well as the world countries are Biblical in the BI teaching. You really need to study Genesis 44+ and do some historic research. Though I doubt you could grasp it, as proven by your numerous posts.

PS. did you not ask me to leave you alone and that I would respect your wishes as long as you treated me the same?

PSS. If you are sooo interested in
Sabbatarianism, I started a new thread at CB months ago. You nor anyone showed any interest whatsovever. You tell me why???

Please seek some help dear.

[franklin]

Hey yaq! Since you've studied SC teachings for years tell me who is Cain's daddy?

Adam or http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gifsatan?

[godchild]

Who cares if they're dead. The fact is they are still teaching what he did. Now kim can stop hem-hawing about what she believes. She asked me the question several times. She already knew the answer. How they feign ignorance when it suits them. When it doesn't, they are even more ignorant.

[smyrna]

Godchild wrote: "She asked me the question several times. She already knew the answer. How they feign ignorance when it suits them. When it doesn't, they are even more ignorant."

The detractors are Champions at doing just the thing Godchild attributes to us. Example: How many times has she been told the SC has it's own Church building?

How many times has Frankie asked how we understand Genesis 4:1?

How many times have they asked question after question that they have been given answers to hundreds of times?

Godchild's post above will go into the growing collection of absolutely outrageous examples of hypocrisy by the detractors that fill these threads.

As for H.W Armstrong, I used to watch his prgram when I was a teenager, and I thought he was a great preacher. He never said anything that would have offended anyone but guilty sinners.

And if Godchild doesn't like that, I say great! I like him and anyone who p'of's Godchild even more!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[yaqakallah]

Godchild,

Who is 'they'? WWCG is a dead Church. The Living Church of God, Pastored by Rodger C. Meredith is the one in which I mostly identify with.

There are several other splinter groups from the WWCG. One is a true cult, He claims to be Elijiah, remember? I told all of you about this dangerous Church on CB yet no one went to the resecue of these poor lost souls in Gerald Flurry's group.....no one!!!!

And don't say I did not either. Part or my internet ministry has included fighting this false Church. But my sucsess rate has only been 2 souls. I needed help but no Cultbuster at CB would help me!

[smyrna]

Kim, You are really hitting some home runs this week!

I wish to repost your other comment about Godchild, which will surely show her hypocrisy. In other words,if she wished to use Pastor Murray's past to try and discredit him, let's look at HER past:

Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 2:52 pm:

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You know, like how Godchild 'beleived' for 25 years(or was it 25 years ago) that she was an elite member of God, belonging to the 'only true Church' on the face of the earth....ie, The Morman church. That she believed that a man, Joseph Smith was 'the Prophet of God' and that he alone 'saw' God and Jesus face to face and that it was his destiney to set us all 'right' with the 'truth'. That the Bible was corrupt and he had to re-write it. That blacks were the son's of Ham and cursed for life. That Blacks were not allowed to be member's of 'God's true Church'. That polygimey is OK in God's eyes and it was OK for Morman's to murder anyone who despised them. that Morman's were the only one's who could save the dead from eternal damnation thru secret rituials which entailed praying for the dead. That you were not 'really' married unless wed in the morman Temple and sealed for all eternity in Heaven were you could regain your sexual relations after your earthly death....I could go on and on......BUT, I think we all can 'relate' to where I am going with this....

Hey godchild, do you still wear your 'secret' Morman underwear? You know, the one's that protect your Chastity and from the evil workings of Satan???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[godchild]

I think I have made it plain that I left the mormon church 21 years ago. I was a member from the time I was 13. Being a child, I wanted to please my parents, naturally, and joined with them. I left in 1986 when I truly understood they teach that men will be gods. They don't teach that to most mormons; its not something they discuss in sunday school class. In the mormon church, you must be considered "worthy" to learn all their cultic doctrines. I was never considered that worthy because I seldom attended sacrament meetings, I smoked cigs and drank alcohol. Although I read the bom once, I found it to be a boring story about groups of men fighting other groups of men over and over again, having little to do with Christianity. It talked about Jesus visiting America after His resurrection (similar to the sc belief that the apostle Jeremiah went to Britian or Ireland, whichever). They also taught (as scer's do) that we were spirit children in heaven before coming to earth. (not unlike scer's they also believe they are the "true Jews". Much of mormon doctrine was rascist. I was raised in a rascist family, and never felt comfortable about that. The older I got, the more I realized the evil in that kind of teaching and thinking. One more thing similar in mormon and sc teaching is that js and am both used/use the Book of Enoch and other books not considered inspired by God.

Being an "unworthy mormon" I never went to the temple. In the first place, I lived far distant from any temple. So no, I've never worn the undergarments, that I agree are ridiculous. I had a spiritual awakening in 1986, even though I thank God that as a child I went to a Baptist Church with my grandmother, and was first baptized there, so I considered myself a Christian. God has dealt with me mercifully, and I am blessed every day for leaving that cult and standing against all cults who preach "man" instead of God. I will be happy to answer any further questions. Since I left the mormon church, I have not and will not place my name on the membership rolls of any man-made church or organization.

[smyrna]

Godchild wrote: "I think I have made it plain that I left the mormon church 21 years ago."

That doesn't matter any more than what occurred in Murray's past doesn't matter to you, that you choose that as a new way to attack him.

Godchild also wrote: "One more thing similar in mormon and sc teaching is that js and am both used/use the ***Book of Enoch*** and other books not considered inspired by God.

More insane ignorance. The Book of Enoch is part of the CANON of the Ethiopian Church:

"Whilst this book (Enoch)does not form part of the Canon of Scripture for the larger Christian Churches, various groups, including the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, regard parts or all of 1 Enoch to be inspired Scripture." Source: Wilkepdia

Let me also remind the "scholarly" Godchild that the Book of Enoch was quoted in Jude, a New Testament book.

The rest of Godchild's post is a rambling of excuses. I'm sure she still harbors those strange beliefs, maybe even practices the rituals.

After all, I have just as much a right to speculate about the repurcussions of her involvement with the Mormons as she does with her clownish "research' and subsequent insane speculations regarding Pastor Murray.

Most people think Mormons are whackos. Perhaps Godchild, being an admitted "unworthy mormom" because she is a boozer, can be seen as even a bit more looney than they are.

Godchild also wrote: "I have not and will not place my name on the membership rolls of any man-made church or organization."

Good! Sounds like you are ready to join the only Church actually founded by Jesus Himself.

"Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church."

After all, Christs's Church is not made up of a bunch of Godchilds roaming the Internet claiming private revelation, as she and Frankie do. It is clear they consider themselves Biblical authorites, as they toss around the term "heretic" at anyone who does not agree with them.

And in Godchild's case, she is moving farther and farther away from the accepted Christian doctrines of MOST if not ALL Churches.

I wonder what reception she would get, if she started running aorund telling different Churches that Moses did not write the Torah, that satan really does not exist, or that Joseph was really Jesus's true father, even Mary admitted it!

Oh yeah, I know, Godchild later found out that he was Jesus' "legal" father, but not until after she openly doubted the Virgin birth for many days. Just a digression to show how unlearned she is, in addition to my comments above.

[ezekiel_37]

Hi Kim

I also enjoy the teachings of LCOG, and a few other ministries aswell.

Peace in Christ, even HE became our Sabbath

[yaqakallah]

Hey Zeke!

Glad to hear it! They are one of a few in which I enjoy studying with. I think it is healthy to not to limit ourselves to the teachings of one. I learn a little here, and learn a little there. I even enjoy John Hagee, though I don't subscribe to the Rapture theory myself.

[david_munson]

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YAQ,
you watch John Hagee?

Did you see the episode with Walid Shoebat?
He is an ex Islamic terrorist and has quite a bit of warning to any who will listen.
(Americans are diluded in the way they view Islam)
http://www.shoebat.com/
A very enlightening christian man to hear.
Everyone should hear what he has to say and then they need to wake the H*ll up to reality.

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[yaqakallah]

David,

I checked out the link, thinking I had seen him, but I missed it! I at first thought you were referring to a guy I saw on another program hosted by the late Zola Levette. His guest was a former Muslim terrorist who conformed to christianity. I Tivo'ed the episode, but I am unable to retrieve it nor the nearly 70 hours of saved programs I had stored on it because the cable co. here uses their own DVR and I cannot access my TIVO files.(Wah!)

I'm gonna go back to your link and see what this guy has to say. Thanks for the info!

[smyrna]

I didn't know that Zola died last year. I just looked it up after you mentioend 'the late" Zola Levitt.

I used to watch his program years ago. I know this will disappoint the detractors,who believe that I should have hated Zola because he was Jewish.

He accepted Jesus as Messiah, but did not involve himself with Christian traditions, save maybe communion, which really isn't a tradition,but a commandment by Jesus Himself.

He was a great man, who attracted both Christians and Jews to his ministry, and I am happy to see that the ministry will carry on.

I do, however, have a vague recollection that he believed in the rapture, but I do not know for sure, and if that is the case, like all the ministries that teach it, I ask God to show them the truth.

I know there is a more appropriate thread to discuss the rapture, but let me say that the vast majority of Churches do NOT believe the the rapture, not just the SC.

Zola, if you can somehow sense my words, I salute you for your courage and faith, your wisdom and tolerance, and may the Lord have mercy on your soul, forgive your sins, and bless you for all your righteous works.

[yaqakallah]

I'm not sure about his teaching the Rapture Theory or not. He was not a Sabbatarian, as one would think being Jewish and then becoming christian. He had a few excellent documentaries and his newsletter was very informative. Coving the war from the Isrealis propective(which is quite different from CNN's version) and he always had Hewbrew lessons included which I found helpful and fun to learn.

Last I saw of his program(been since Sept. since no other cable co. I have subscribed to carrys his program) his wife was hosting it with guest speakers.

We were as shocked as you to find he had passed. My son and I always enjoyed watching him. Seems he had had cancer or a heart attack and was recovering. His last few bradcasts we noticed he did not look well and were concerned for his health. I want to say he died last May.

Yes, he was a great servant of the lord. Bringing both Jews and non-christians to Christ.

[arron]

smyrna ... the churches that i know of teach the rapture,,, the bazptist, the church of GOD the s=assemblies of GOD. the nazerene, the methodist the presbeterian the HOLINESS CHURCH the pentecostal church all theach the rapture. what churches are you referring to?

[smyrna]

Arron,

The Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, and many other Churches, which collectively amounts to well over one BILLION Christians, do not believe or teach a "Left Behind" any moment, pre-Tribulation rapture of Christians.


Now you mentioned that one Methodist Church teaches this rapture. But here is what a Methodist minister says about the rapture:

Where does the "Rapture" fit into the United Methodist realm of beliefs?

"Methodism has a lot of diverse viewpoints among its churches and members, and so I have no doubts that many pastors and churches are tuning in to this speculative phenomenon. However, it is not central to our approach to discipleship and our theological framework."

Rev. Dan Benedict
Center for Worship Resourcing
General Board of Discipleship

Source: http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&amp;mid=1391

[smyrna]

Notice how Frankie has been dodging this thread after I was able to prove that Godchild, "illogical_al" and others over at his beloved site cultbusters, have been speculating about satan. They say he doesn't exist, or he exists only as a literary idea, or concept that "underwent development."

Most of you have seen the thread by now. Frankie can no longer say I lied nor can he ask for proof, he has it, whether he wants to acknowledge it or not.

So now he does his usual disappearing act, just like Godchild does when she is caught with her magic undies down.