ARRON IS A CULTBUSTER SPY

[kimberlyfredrick]

Hello everyone,

I just left the cultblunder's threads and it's for real. Arron is reporting to Godchild and the rest of the clan everything we have been doing over here. Godchild admitted she sent Arron over here, though she states that it appeared underhanded but it really was'nt....ROTFLMAO!!!

And get this, Arron flat out lied about my new thread promoting our debate!!! He said I purposely wrote it to make the reader think that he started the serpent seed doctrine(I guess he means invented it!?!) and to also make the reader think that he started the thread! Folks, I clearly put my name in the opening paragraph!!! Unbeleiveable....

Godchild is busy ripping me a new one stating that I am confused, spiritually cold and unworthy of Arron teaching me anything and that I must make a choice(I guess she means like right this minute) to what I do and don't beleive in. Now if that is not cultish thinking...sheesh....

I want to say to all of you here who have been civil to me a big thank you. Thank you for accepting me as I am. Thank you for your guideance, support, teachings and gentle corrections in my walk with Christ. I am truely grateful that I can come here anytime of the day or night and be amongst good ole' christian folk. I call you all friends and I love you all dearly. You guys rock!!!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">ROTFL!!!! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Oh My goodness, I am laughing soooo hard right now I can barely see!!! LOLOLOLOL

Wow, so Arron is Cultmakers spy!!! LOLOLOLOL

On a serious note, we are glad you are here also Kim! Welcome!!!

PS.... oh I'm still laughing! Oh my stomach hurts...lolololol</font>

(Message edited by terluvire on October 11, 2006)

[kimberlyfredrick]

Maybe I shoulda renamed them 'cultbeggers' since they have to run over here so they will have a topic for the day.

And thank you Teluvire! I am honored to numbered among you

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">HI Kim:

Cultbeggers.....that is good....lol I guess we make a good topic. Maybe they will learn something...huh? LOLOLOLOL

I am still laughing....lol I keep rereading your post up above...too funny! LOLOLOL!!!!

I glad you feel welcomed by us. You are in good company. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif</font>

[arron]

hey i did not start this post nor did i give permission for them to use my name
and i am through with this post.
and kim and ter.. you dont have to answer my post as i already know your answer BOTH OF YOU BELIEVE IN THE SERPENT SEED DOCTRINE

[angie0401]

arron,
do you think Pastor Murray gave permission for his name to be used on these threads? And the names of those threads were pretty bad and downright slanderous!
Come on, arron, you didn't REALLY think that you had to give your permission, right? You're just funning us, aren't you???

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">arron said:
kim and ter.. you dont have to answer my post as i already know your answer BOTH OF YOU BELIEVE IN THE SERPENT SEED DOCTRINE

If you already knew the answer, why would you ask except to try and cause discord. That is not right arron.</font>

[kimberlyfredrick]

Yeah....and he says it like it's a BAD thing...............ROTFLMAO.....

[david_munson]

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No jab at anyone here but is this path really productive?
For any of you?

Just a question to ponder without any judgement towards anyone.

We know we have disagreements in doctrines.
I am just wondering how this will help any of us since we have all been over the same debates about our differences in certain doctrines and know where we disagree on the subject matter.

Since we already know what we disagree about,
what can we agree about concerning Christ?
After all He is what really matters "most."

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[kimberlyfredrick]

This thread is not about doctrines.

[rachelengland]

Lovely christian antics kimberlyfredrick-hope you are proud of yourself.

[preachers_daughter]

You, kimberlyfredrick, proved godchild and arron correct. You were just baiting him. You are doing that which you accuse arron of doing. Don't believe me. Go back and read your first post. You pretend to be all nicety nice at cultbusters, then you come over here and speak about people in such a manner as this. Good job at showing your true motives!!!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif

You sound just like smyrna, the way you speak about individuals. This is not the place for personal attacks.

[angie0401]

Please, rachel. YOU are going to lecture anyone here about the proper Christian actions? Do you even proclaim to be a Christian? Or is this just a visit from another of the cultbusters gang?

[angie0401]

I see what's happening here... We're being targeted by the little fantasy group. Is cultbusters where you moved your little space voyage game?

It's ok, my friends, they are here to "liberate" us from this horrible cult that we're in.. LOL http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

pd,
Go lecture vivian about HER horrible behavior to everyone on Factnet that doesn't agree with her. It's not confined to the SC threads, that is for sure! Clean up your own house FIRST.

[rachelengland]

Angie0401-I don't think you could ever be liberated. Your in the scariest cults of all self-pride and denial

I guess"Vivians" wrongs make it okay for you to attack and make a fool of aaron-so adult of all of you.

(Message edited by rachelengland on October 12, 2006)

[kimberlyfredrick]

preachers_daughter,

Incorrect! It was they who were doing the baiting. Check the postings and dates.


And I am always nice when treated nice.

And you guys are just peeved because Nunya pointed out Godchilds tactics.

Go crawl back to your 'Queen of Mean"....I am sure she has more work for her 'peons'

[preachers_daughter]

I do not believe I was speaking to you angie, but let me look again, just to make sure.............................................. ..................

Nope! Didn't see your name anywhere in my post.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[rachelengland]

nice when treated nice says this Kimberly fredrick "lady"-is that biblical????

[kimberlyfredrick]

No Rachel it is not, and neither are your actions.

Would you like to beat me upside my head with your Bible now???

.....Would that make you feel better???......Sheesh...Can't a person be human around here???

[kimberlyfredrick]

Rachel,

I think you may just be jumping the gun here with Angie. She took UP for Arron. Can you read???

[preachers_daughter]

Exactly, Rachel. My bible tells me that we are to turn the other cheek, to love our neighbors as ourselves. Man, with all this I am nice when I am treated nice, talk, makes one wonder what Bible everyone is reading.

I am no ones peon. I defended you at cultbusters,
and told them that you, and anyone else for that matter, should be welcomed there, to voice your opinions and beliefs. You, on the other hand pretended to be one way, and then turned when you felt that you had them. That is called baiting. Thing is, they knew exactly what you were up to.

[angie0401]

pd,
I don't recall anyone speaking to YOU on here either. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

rachel,
That might bother me if you knew anything about me, but thanks for trying. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

Not excusing anyone's behavior, including my own, but for you two to jump in here and accuse kimberly of all kinds of behavior while cooing over Vivian's outrageous behavior is just infantile. Like I said - clean your own house first.

[kimberlyfredrick]

Preachers_daughter,

You oviously have a problem with reading posts and the order/time/date in which they were placed.

I suggest that you re-read the posts made here on the last 2-3 days then go to Cult(name witheld) and do the same.

You have falsely accused me. This is of course forgiveable since I must assume that you are ignorant of the facts. Please take the time to research before you blow your stack.

It is unhealthy and profits no one.

[rachelengland]

My house angie is immaculate-just like yourshttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

Kimberly-you can not treat others with meanness and call yourself a christian. I don't carry a Bible and I wouldn't hit you with it if I did.

Just consider the source. If your right then relax. Have you met that david777 guy? You two could really get along.

[kimberlyfredrick]

Rachel,

Since you are oviously superior to me I must humbly ask you to please define exactly what meanness I have done.

[angie0401]

rachel,
My "house" is not immaculate and neither is yours. (Not to mention my real house - it definitely is lived in!)

I just don't much like someone who doesn't claim to be a Christian telling us how we are "supposed" to act.

[rachelengland]

I'm just not "your" type of chistian. And my house is immaculate-good day angie and remember-God is watching you.

[preachers_daughter]

Oh, but angie you are so wrong. Kimberly said hello EVERYONE. That includes me. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

My post on the other hand was directed to KIMBERLY. Go look.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

Nowhere did I even mention your name, when I was speaking to her, so once again, I was not talking to you.

Oh, and I'll go lecture gc about her behavior as soon as you go lecture smyrna and watchman about theirs.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[kimberlyfredrick]

"RighteousRachel".....kinda got a ring to it

[rachelengland]

Oh kimberly you are a saint-have a good day and leave aaron alone!

[preachers_daughter]

Kimberly, I have no problem reading your posts, and I am not blowing my stack. What I said is the truth. You are just in denial.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

[kimberlyfredrick]

Preachers_daughter,

You are just bored and picking on me to liven up your day. Have at it!

Rachel,

I am no saint and neither are you.

I am not bothering Arron. He kept asking me the same question over and over again. I gave him my answer but that was not enough for him so I gave him an opportunity to educated me so I COULD answer him. He was disrupting threads here so I gave him his own one.
He slandered me at Cult(you don't even wanna know) and I told him that he hurt my feelings.

I found out that he was baiting me!

[dowen]

Wow.
We have our own little "FN" soap opera going on here!
Entertaining reading, but not too filling.
I have gotten to know several of the AM/SC followers, off board, and have found them all to be decent loving and caring Christians.
Zealous, yes. But that is a compliment.

I just wish that everyone here would/could focus on something more profitable than who said what when.

Just my two cents,
God Bless,
DOwen.

[angie0401]

pd,
You're right, kimberly did address her first post to everyone. Did you mean to respond to that one? Seemed to me that you didn't address that post at all. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Regardless, last time I checked no one on here requires a direct address before posting a reply.
Do you only post to those who directly request it?

[rachelengland]

Kimberly I am sorry you are hurt. Best thing to do is ignore that stuff-it's childish and petty. I am not righteous anyone on these boards could tell you some good stories about me. Take Care

[kimberlyfredrick]

Rachel,

What are you talking about??? You came here this morning on a mission to personaly attack ME!

[rachelengland]

I did? Actually I just thought you were being a little shifty writing a post like that and attacking aaron-nothing personal Kimberly-relax read Psalms or something...

[angie0401]

dowen,
Thanks for stepping in here. You know that several of us that know you think that you are a wonderful, kind Christian man and I appreciate your post(s).

BTW - you're 2 cents means a lot and is definitely worth more than 1/50 of a dollar!!

Angie

[abiyah]

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Aaron, Vivian, Rachelengland, Preachers_Daughter;

Please, let me ask you each a question. A question that I need not a answer to, but a question that you can answer for yourself, and to yourself. Do you think the 'works' that you bring to these threads are 'good' ? And ask yourselves this. If you are not students of God's Word, AS WE ARE students of God's Word here within these Shepherd's Chapel threads, then why do you come to THESE Shepherd's Chapel threads ? What is your point ? You do NOT believe The Truths which are put forth here, no, not at all. You are offended by them, and call them false doctrines. Right ? So then ask yourselves WHY come here ? The bottom line here is this, what you all do by coming into these threads is cause discord, and you distrupt, and distract from The Word of God that is discussed here amongst us. Think about that now ? Is that 'good' works ? Why would you do that ? Is that Christ-like ? And yet, you claim to be Christ men &amp; woman.

All the students of GOD's WORD that gather here and post Scripture here to bring forth Truth, and to discuss The Truth within The Scriptures, come here to these threads for that very reason, to discuss The Truths of God's Word. We gather here almost daily to edify the multi-membered body of Christ, yet you folks come here and speak from your own hearts, you come here and push traditions of men and false doctrines on us.... rarely, if ever posting The Word of God for the purpose of building up one in the knowledge of God's Word, but rather you tear down, just as you all have come here to tear down Kimberly, and find her now unworthy of the love that you should have for her in Christ The Lord. And also, rarely, if ever do you take The Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words back to their original meanings to bring forth better understanding of God's Word, as we do here, you do not even care to know what the original texts read, and their meanings. So again, ask yourself.. why do you waste your time coming here ?

Yet still, you come here, and put down those that SEEK The Truth which is in The Word of God. You come here and persecute, and you lie, and we know these are NOT the works of God, but they are the works of satan, bad fruit, VILE !

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif CONTINUE: My address to you ALL is continued within the next post.</font>

[abiyah]

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif CONTINUED TO: Aaron, Vivian, Rachelengland, Preachers_Daughter

Now then, 'IF' you are ALL true, sincere, dedicated Christians, then indeed you ALL should do as your Lord, Christ Jesus has INSTRUCTED you to do ! And here IT IS WRITTEN. HAVE YE NOT READ ?

Matthew 5:29
" And if thy right EYE OFFEND, PLUCK IT OUT, AND CAST IT FROM THEE; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy WHOLE BODY should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:30
" And if thy right HAND OFFEND, CUT IT OFF, and CAST IT FROM thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy WHOLE BODY should be cast into hell. "

We ALL, as Christians make up the many membered body of Christ, and that is what Christ is teaching you here when He says " thy WHOLE BODY ", for He speaks spiritually of the multi-membered body, Christians of a church or group; The EYE being symbolic of how they SEE His Truth and teach it, and the HAND being symbolic of the work they do for Christ's Name Sake within that particular member, church, or group that is a part of the WHOLE BODY, which is the multi-membered body of Christ our Lord.

Now IF you all are OFFENDED by the doctrines or better said, Truths of God's Word which we dicuss here as a group within the multi-membered body of Christ, well then Christ The Lord has INSTRUCTED you to CUT IT OFF AND CAST IT FROM YOU. Depart yourselves from it. PLUCK IT OUT ! That means that you should go from THESE Shepherd's Chapel Threads, for you find that which we SEE as Truth offensive, indeed you are all offended by it, and Christ has instructed you in these above verses TO SEPERATE OR SEVERE yourselves from us ! He did not tell you to come back her day, after day, after day, and distrupt their discussions of His Word, but HE said, CUT IT OFF AND CAST IT FROM YOU ! Do you listen to the instructions of Christ The Lord ??? If you think this part or group of the multi-membered body of Christ teaches "trash" as Aaron would call it, then do as your Lord has commanded you, and seperate yourself from us, and go in peace, and leave us in peace. If you do not, then indeed you do contrary to the teachings and instructions of Christ The Lord, and those that do contrary, or do opposite of that which Christ has instructed so not the works of Christ The Lord, but rather they do the works of satan. Its just that simple. So then show us that gather here in these Shepherd's Chapel threads, set the example, right here and right now, that you are real Christians, and that you ALL do obey the voice of The Lord, Immanuel, God with us, and GO your way !

Abiyah</font>

[rachelengland]

Oh boy abiyah-starting a thread about aaron is a real study of God's word?

[abiyah]

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rachelengland WROTE:
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QUOTE: " Oh boy abiyah-starting a thread about aaron is a real study of God's word? " END
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Good Afternoon Rachel;

Read once again that which I have written to you with a sincere heart in my above post(s), and then READ that which is WRITTEN in The Word of God within that particular post, and follow the instructions which were given to you by The Living Word of God, which is Christ our Lord. Listen to Jesus rachel, and you will never go wrong, do as He has instructed/commanded you to do. Please... read once again my above posts to you, and hear The Words of Christ within, and not only hear them, but DO them, be a doer of The Word. Show us or prove that you are truly a Christ-man/woman. And then go your way in peace, and let The Lord's Peace return unto you once again.

Abiyah</font>

[smyrna]

Preacher's Daughter:
You accuse me of making personal attacks, and all I've ever done is expose the fallacies of people who use dubious tactics, disseminate misinformation, and otherwise make outrageous claims without adequate documentation, in their scathing attacks against the SC.

As for Arron, you folks, pro or anti-chapel,give him way too much credit. He is, as exemplified by
his posts over several months, a pathetic fundamentalist, who hangs on to puerile, fanciful intrepretations of Scripture that have nothing to do with the true meaning the the texts as clearly accepted by the majority of Christians.

He does not listen to arguments, only to the voices in his head.

If preachers_daughter wants to call that a "personal attack" then so be it. But she should be fair, and apply those who attack the chapel proponents with the same label.

[godchild]

abi, You asked the question: If you are not students of God's Word, AS WE ARE students of God's Word here within these Shepherd's Chapel threads, then why do you come to THESE Shepherd's Chapel threads ? What is your point ? You do NOT believe The Truths which are put forth here, no, not at all. You are offended by them, and call them false doctrines. Right ? So then ask yourselves WHY come here ?

I will answer your question by hopefully informing you of something that has been shared to all of you before but seems to be ignored. Please read from this list and show us where it says these boards are for scer's to 'study the Word'?
to be cont.

[godchild]

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We do study God's Word, abi. This is a public forum, guaranteed by the Constitition of the U.S.A.. It is our right and our duty as Christians to fulfill the purposes factnet has clearly outlined for us. I hope this not only answers your question but settles it once and for all.

[abiyah]

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Good Afternoon to you also Vivian;

I am not looking for any answer from you, and I pray you did not miss the point here. As I said to Rachel, I will also say to you. READ, once again my above posts to you, and then READ The WORD OF GOD within that particular post, and HEAR.... please Vivian, then simply DO as Christ The Lord has instructed you sister. You as a Christ-woman should now that Christ instructs His own, and those that do love and HEAR Him, DO His instructions. Are you a doer of The Word or are you not ? Read AGAIN The Scriptures in my above post. Christ always gives the very best advice Vivian, you know that, so then follow it, do it, be a DOER of The Living Word and go thy way from these particular Shepherd's Chapel threads, and yea, go in peace friend.

Abiyah</font>

[angie0401]

Vivian,
You've been shown, with these tools put forth by Factnet to identify a cult, that SC is NOT a cult. So, since it's not a cult, might as well make good use of this board by discussing the Word. Can't think of any better use of our time..

Hey - didn't you say you were going to kick the dust and leave the SC threads? You must enjoy our company since you can't seem to stay away. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

By the way, how's it going with the Seventh Day Adventists? Have you been able to witness to any of them concerning the dangerousness of that cult?

[rachelengland]

Abiyah-you are a crack up! Your posts have sarcasm written all over them.

Aaron I see you are not posting here but my congrats to you-you have your own post your right up there now with Franklin and I. It's a compliment to have your own thread-it means your making a difference.

[abiyah]

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Rachel WROTE:
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QUOTE: " Abiyah-you are a crack up! Your posts have sarcasm written all over them. " END

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Hello once again Rachel;

You truly lack spiritual discernment, for IF you had spiritual discernment, than you would know, without a doubt that I'm not being sarcastic at all, but rather sincere in and WITH the love which is IN Christ my Lord. God KNOWS I lie not ! And yet, you still have NOT followed the instructions of Christ in which I shared with you, but yet you return once again to get another word in, doing contrary to Christ's instructions which I posted for your edification in my above posts. WHY do contrary ? Enough now..... Let it go and go your way, and go in peace, and leave us here in peace.

Abiyah</font>

[rachelengland]

I do have spiritual discernment in fact it is a gift I have possessed since youth and I know you are using God's word to irritate others and you are a self-righteous and sarcastic individual. you may fool others but I am not fooled. God will not be mocked!

(Message edited by rachelengland on October 12, 2006)

[kimberlyfredrick]

Since when was causing discord called 'making a difference"

Just who's side are you on Rachel? God's or your own agenda?

[kimberlyfredrick]

If God's word is 'irritating' to others then those 'others' have past beyond feeling conviction and are now persuing their own agendas. THIS is mocking God's Holy Word.

[rachelengland]

Discord-your the baby that started this thread?!? Dear lord, is Murray your god or what? Just relax-if you feel you hold the truth why all the defensiveness. If I had my own agenda to push babe I'd post my real name like you do!

[kimberlyfredrick]

Since when is rebuttal called defensiveness?

It was YOU who started posting to me.....NOT the other way around!

And for the rest of your post, you make comepletly no sense whatsoever!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Rachel said:
I do have spiritual discernment in fact it is a gift I have possessed since youth and I know you are using God's word to irritate others and you are a self-righteous and sarcastic individual. you may fool others but I am not fooled. God will not be mocked!

Oh My goodness!! How can you say you have spiriutal discernment when you don't even know if God is real or not???? Can't you discern if God is real if you have the so called gift of "spiritual discernment"? Just unbelievable!

And for the record, Abiyah is not being sarcastic at all. She is speaking from God's word:</font>

Luk 9:4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
Luk 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.


Mat 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.


Mat 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

[rachelengland]

Where did you read that I don't know if is real or not.Have you been following my spiritual path-if so I'm flattered. You all use the word of God to play games and it's a sad sad situation

Kimberly I did not attack-attacking is calling people crude names and just being obscene and obnoxious. Be a good girl and ask the moderator to erase this STUPID thread you have created that is causing discord and conflict.

[angie0401]

terluvire,
That's just what I was thinking about rachel. She almost always refers to "you christians"; in this recent post, she even says "your Creator"... and I think one of the people she was responding to was her friend franklin...

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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 9:33 am:

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You christians????????? Are attacking a man who isn't a christian? Is that biblical? This just makes me sick. You have stooped to a level that is not the way YOUR creator would have ever condoned-judging someone who doesn't know him. I think like many of you feel atheism is a cult-bw feels christianity is a cult and we have freedom of speech on this forum so ALL of you should put up or even better SHUT-UP!!!!!!

Blue, I am not sticking up for you-I know you are big enough to handle it but I have a very good eye for hypocrisy!</font>

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Kimberly,

If you noticed, they only came here after you posted what was going on at Cultblunders. They really don't care to discuss God's word with us, that's not why they are here. They are here to defend their precious Cult. It's ok for them to dump on us, they've been doing it a long time if you read the past threads, but don't dare say a word against them. They can certainly dish it, but they can't take it when the tables are turned. Do you see any of us going attacking them on other threads or at Cultblunders? The answer is NO.

Please, all of you which oppose Sc, please leave in peace. Gee, we can't even have a discussion on the Lost Tribes without one of you coming in and causing discord.

Again, Please leave peacefully.</font>

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">HI Abiyah,

Yes, I remember that post Rachel made. There are many more like that. In one, if I can find it, she does make a reference to not knowing if there is a God or not....or something to that affect.

And Rachel, no I don't follow your spiritual walk, but I do read here...lol One can't help notice your unbelief when they read the other threads.</font>

[godchild]

Food for thought:
The am/sc name was listed on factnet under "Religious Cults and Sects". It would seem appropriate for scer's to use the scriptures they quoted for themselves.

If they want to use this forum for their views of scripture, they must be willing to accept the opinions of others, who have the same rights.

If scer's have given scripture to prove the serpent seed doctrine, I've yet to see it. So no, I do not agree you study from God's Word, but from the words of men, who have added and taken away from it.

Rev. 22:18-21
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of the prophesy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen

Many additions to the Bible can be found in the appendixes bullinger wrote in his companion bible. You can also find there his view that words in the Holy Bible should be changed. These are men's words that am borrows from to teach what he calls truth, and we know to be lies.

[rachelengland]

WOW angie-you are incredible human being-worry about your own salvation-if being a christian means I have to be linked to people like you-I'd rather not be called one. You are like a little "gang" that "bangs" up on anyone who disagrees. Listen I don't care if you believe in the serpent seed theology big deal-but to post aarons names calling him a spy-very childish and what does it matter. My faith in Christ is a journey. I do not ever claim to have it together and if you feel I am not christian then you should be handling me with care - walk in love and cherish people life is way to short. Adios It's been a real treat seeing your true colours.

[rachelengland]

terluvire-if you find peoples disbelief funny, that is a shame for someone who calls him/or herself a christian. We should not be laughing at people who haven't faith or hope for eternal life. I struggled with my faith this year and it was the love of franklin that helped bring me back to a better place- we still disagree but we never lose the love God has given us.Carry on making fun of people-it becomes you all.

[angie0401]

<font color="ff0000">QUOTE:
Many additions to the Bible can be found in the appendixes bullinger wrote in his companion bible. You can also find there his view that words in the Holy Bible should be changed. These are men's words that am borrows from to teach what he calls truth, and we know to be lies.
</font>

Guess I better toss my Scofield study Bible, then, because it has additional study tools, word studies, words that have been removed or added by other translations, and commentaries. I'll also tell my pastor that he should quit using his NASB because Vivian said it's "adding to Scripture". I'll have him call you if he needs any help with his sermons, ok? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[godchild]

I admit to coming here when arron mentioned the thread titles and how he felt about it. I did not respond until I read it myself. I agree with rachel that this title should be deleted. I admit to defending arron.

Proverbs 18:24 A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.

When a friend of mine is wounded, I will do my best to come to their aid.

[kimberlyfredrick]

Rachel, It is you who support those who do make fun of others! Want proof.....well then slink right over through these directions and read it for yourself! And as for calling Arron a spy, he was! Godchild confirmed it! Heck, don't believe me, go read it for yourself at CultBooBoo's.

Heres your evidence of the "one" your supporting as INNOCENT:

Go to:

Doctrines/Beliefs
Doctrines/Proofs/Scripture Studys
Serpent Seed Physical or Spiritual

scroll down to the bottom and go up 24 posts.

look for Arrons post #2169

NOW, I dare you to read that and come back here and type out what it says. I dare ya!


I found this last night. VERY BECOIMING of an innocent man!

[angie0401]

QUOTE:
...My faith in Christ is a journey. I do not ever claim to have it together and if you feel I am not christian then you should be handling me with care...

It was you and pd who came HERE and copped an attitude. We didn't come to where YOU were, so don't act innocent.

All who seek to walk with Christ are on a journey, that does not give you the right to attack and offend. IF you were really here seeking edification from us, we would all be more than happy to do so. Again, don't act innocent.

BTW - I do think when you claimed that your house is immaculate that you are claiming to "have it together".

I guess it just stinks when your own words show that you aren't being quite honest, huh?

[kimberlyfredrick]

Well Godchild,

If Arron did not want to talk about the Serpent Seed, then why did he HOUND me on it???

How many times do I have to state that I cannot answer a question when I do not know the answer???

THEN, he comes back in here and posts that I do in fact support the doctrine! For all the world to see!!!

You see, when it happens to YOU it is OK for you to get in a huff. When it is done to me or anyone else affiliated with SC it is "justified"

For your imformation I do not like being called a lier. I do not condon slanderous behavior one bit!

[rachelengland]

Two wrongs do not make a right. Take some time to reflect on your actions. There are far greater things to worry about. Then people who do not agree with you doctrinally -like caring for the sick and contibuting the needy.

Aaron very many times Kimberly doesn't even know what he is talking about-and he gets confused and disoriented, I have scene it time and time again. He has a hard time even spelling, so let it go and slowly turn away..Life goes on. Ciao Bella..

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Oh Please Rachel, I'm not laughing at you and if that's what you got out of my post, I do apologize. But for you to talk about our Christian attitude when you're not sure if you believe or not....well...what can I say. Gee!

But I will add that I do pray that God does touch you and open your eyes in your walk looking for truth.

Kimberly,

I copied Arron's post that you are talking about.

Here is Arron's post:
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron

Post Number: 2169
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10

as i told you before dumbo.. i will post on any thread that i so choose. if you can spout off your insane garbage. i can truly give the true word of GOD on this thread . be good. you have let your so called theology go to your head and you are mad. (crazy)(nuts) (insane). i doubt if you can understand that though
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Kim, we need to teach you how to copy and paste. That way you don't have to type it all out.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif</font>

[godchild]

Now, I have explained why I came here. Why are scer's here, if as they claim, they are here to study God's Word? What does "arron is a cultbuster spy" have to do with the Word? Is it this?
ROTFL!!!!

Oh My goodness, I am laughing soooo hard right now I can barely see!!! LOLOLOLOL

Wow, so Arron is Cultmakers spy!!! LOLOLOLOL
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or this?
Maybe I shoulda renamed them 'cultbeggers' since they have to run over here so they will have a topic for the day.
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or this:?
Would you like to beat me upside my head with your Bible now???

.....Would that make you feel better???......Sheesh...Can't a person be human around here???
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or this?
I just don't much like someone who doesn't claim to be a Christian telling us how we are "supposed" to act.
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All of which shows the true nature of your "Bible studies at factnet".

[kimberlyfredrick]

And you see Godchild, I am not as gullible as you would want me to be. YOU sent him over here to start something. If I had said , "why yes Arron, I beleive in that doctrine with all my heart" then he would have called me and the doctrine names.

Your not fooling anyone here. I answered that I did not know one way or the other and Arron still came back and told me I was lying that I really did beleive!

So there. You sent him, he asked, I answered, he asked again, he was asked by another menber to post this question on a new thread, he did not so i did. You don't like how I did it, well tough.
We don't like any of your behaviour over here. The only time your 'nice' is when you are trying to set another 'trap.

'Oh yeah, I got your number. Your not happy unless your in the 'thick' of it .


We know about your Sabbatarian thread at Cultlosers. We all know you started that NEW thread just to try and <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> me off.

you were so wayyyy of base on it is was laughable.

[rachelengland]

wow you've got some red dots there Kim, your not upset are you.

God is Love...

Angie-I really meant my physical home is immaculate-I enjoy a clean house. I forgot you serpent seeders dealt in symbolism- my bad.

Terluvire-when you put the letters lol it means your laughing...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[kimberlyfredrick]

no Rachel, the word I tried to type was...pis* off....got it?

And by the way, I will post just what Arron called Watchman

I know you don't have the 'heart' to look bad here

dumbo,crazy,insane,nuts

And if you will read his post. You will find that he is REFUSING to post on topic even though he is kindy asked to do so.

Very domineering

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Kim,

godchild is doing what she has always done, trying to twist reality. She started this by sending Arron here with the question of the Serpent Seed. But somehow that is ok, but we are not suppose to get upset...lol

If you read enough of these older threads, you will see that she does this kind of thing over and over again, twisting peoples words and situations.

You know, we once caught her ready to be sued by someone because of her false slander toward this person. Do you know she tried to turn it around and tried to make us out to be the bad guys because we reported what was going on!! This is what she does.

If you want to read what I am talking about, go to the Anton Hein thread and also in SC threads under SC folks and astrology, starting at Angie's post #10. Read through the thread, you will see what I'm talking about.</font>

[rachelengland]

name calling is not right-but when one(aaron) feels picked on and ganged up on-it happens-I'm just not sure he even understands fully your theology therefore just ignore it and continue on topic.

<font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>-ya that's not too bad...

[kimberlyfredrick]

Oh Godchild'

Go blow it out your BLOW HOLE!

Do you REALLY want to get into a cut@paste war with us????

Man, your really losing it.

We have read your posts at Cultlococ.

I reallly liked it how you and Arron posted your plans to spy on us under the thread, URGENT PRAYER REQUEST. My, my, godchild, I never knew you cared so much......ROTFLMAO!!!!!

[plow_deep]

All of this started when I made the following observation in the copy of the below post.

I was looking for an answer from Arron.

Theres no need to blame anyone but me. If I had kept this observation to myself, none of this would be going on right now. So if you come here to defend Arron, or to attack and point fingers and lay blame.

Feel free to direct it all towards me.

Because the simple observation I made in the post below, is the cause for all that is being said here and now. Trading insults isnt doing anybody any good on either side. Just let it go.

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FACTNet Message Board: Religious Cults and Sects: Shepherds Chapel / Arnold Murray: The 12 Tribes Scattered Abroad

Posted by plow_deep on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 5:26 pm:

I dont know if anybody noticed this, but here it goes...


If you take a look at Arrons posts, the content and the timing of the questions he poses. I cant help but notice that he is out of character in comparisons to his normal style of posting.

Just take a look around factnet.

I'm guessing that he has joined a gossip group that puts forth the ideas he presents here in the SC threads.

He is being coached and allowing himself to be used.

[angie0401]

<font color="0000ff">QUOTE:
Angie-I really meant my physical home is immaculate-I enjoy a clean house. I forgot you serpent seeders dealt in symbolism- my bad</font>

No, rachel, that is my bad. I was talking about rebuking/correcting those in our "house" that are out of line. I didn't realize that you were talking about your real house. I wish mine were immaculate - kids tend to prevent that, though! That's ok, I'll take the sweet kids over the clean house any day.

I apologize, rachel, for misunderstanding you.

(by the way, if you feel the need to refer to me as something (scer, serpent seeder, etc), I would prefer the term "Christian")

[kimberlyfredrick]

plow,

This is not your doing. Godchild admitted she sent Arron over here.

They are both grown and CHOSE to do this.

You spoke the truth and truth is what we are defending here.

It will pass. Godchild and co. should be getting a belly-full right about now

[rachelengland]

I apologize too-I really do not have much knowledge into Arnold Murray and his teaching( I will begin to study it more. Basically I was just concerned aaron was being picked on and I have known him to be a gentleman.

Yes you are christian.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Rachel, I was not laughing at your spiritual walk but your use of the term "spiritual discernment". That's all. Sorry if you thought I was laughing at your spiritual search for that was not the case. For that I do apologize.

Plow, you have nothing to apologize for. I was thinking the same thing and eventually it would have come out. Not your fault that godchild did what she did.</font>

[plow_deep]

Kim,

Dont think for a minute I wasnt aware Arron was allowing himself to be used as a troll.

I was trying to stop the off topic garbage in the thread. If you hadnt of explored cultbusters http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif, and found that Godchild was using Arron to do her bidding...then it wouldve ceased while the instigators concealed their shame.

You had to go and be a good detective...sigh...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif, and shake a nest of self-righteous hornets.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Rachel, again I apologize. I see which post you are talking about and it is this one:

And Rachel, no I don't follow your spiritual walk, but I do read here...lol One can't help notice your unbelief when they read the other threads.

The lol was about me not following you around here at factnet, but that I do read here. It had nothing to do about your own personal search. I'm deeply sorry if it came across like that. Truly, that was not my intent. God knows my heart and he knows that I was not laughing about that, only at the thought of following you around.

Again, I'm deeply sorry.</font>

[rachelengland]

Oh all is forgiven-I've really struggled this year for some reason-lots of questioning and confusion and yes falling away- which I know is not from God. My pal Franklin has stuck by my side, even when I have become angry with him here on factnet. I have never even once been on the cultbusters thread which speaks about Pastor Murray-so I am not attacking your beliefs in anyway-how can we speak against something we do not understand? I just have some concern here for aaron and don't understand why it took 2 threads using his name to expose him.

We just need to have patience and understand people are human, as well as spiritual beings and it's okay to question.. I just wish it was a perfect world and we could all get along. One day! R

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Thank you Rachel, I truly was worried!!

What you said here:
We just need to have patience and understand people are human, as well as spiritual beings and it's okay to question.. I just wish it was a perfect world and we could all get along.

I completely agree!

Again thanks Rachel.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif</font>

[rachelengland]

Thank you!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif I think we ended this thread on a happy note!!!!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Amen</font> http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[kimberlyfredrick]

Alright Plow....you got me on that one!

Oddly though, Arron has been completly silent during all of this

[rachelengland]

silence is golden..

[angie0401]

<font color="0000ff">QUOTE: Oh all is forgiven-I've really struggled this year for some reason-lots of questioning and confusion and yes falling away- which I know is not from God. My pal Franklin has stuck by my side, even when I have become angry with him here on factnet. </font>

Rachel, I am really sorry that it has been a rough year for you. I apologize if I contributed to that at any point - I didn't realize where you were coming from and therefore did not respond appropriately. I think most of us have been there and can empathize with how you feel. I'll be praying that you find your way and your faith be restored and renewed. I've found that when I have those times, I end up being SO MUCH stronger than I was before and I hope that the same is true for you.

<font color="0000ff">I have never even once been on the cultbusters thread which speaks about Pastor Murray-so I am not attacking your beliefs in anyway-how can we speak against something we do not understand? I just have some concern here for aaron and don't understand why it took 2 threads using his name to expose him. </font>

rachel, I think that not speaking against something you don't understand and/or haven't studied is very good advice and is basically what kimberly said when she started the first post with arron's name on it. I also think kimberly was really hurt by what she probably viewed as arron's trickery. If you read through some of the other posts on the SC threads, you'll see that kim really seemed to view arron as a kindly, older Christian. I believe she even posted something to that effect. Then, he turns around and accuses her of things she has not said or done - you know how hurtful that can be. And, like you said - we are human and therefore fallible and imperfect. Look how many times I've already had to apologize to you in this thread!!

<font color="0000ff">
We just need to have patience and understand people are human, as well as spiritual beings and it's okay to question.. I just wish it was a perfect world and we could all get along. One day! R</font>

Can't add much to that except AMEN!


And Rachel, I do hope that you will stick around and let us show you what we believe and why we believe it. If you truly are interested in what we believe, please ask us, not those that dislike us so much.

[kimberlyfredrick]

Rachel,

I too apologize....I understand going through tough times. I myself am going through my darkest hour so far with no end in sight. Stay strong....and please stick around.

The people around here are wonderful!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Rachel,

I think we've all been there, wondering what is what. I pray you do find the answers you are searching for. Like Angie said, you are more than welcome to post here.

Quote:
I have never even once been on the cultbusters thread which speaks about Pastor Murray-so I am not attacking your beliefs in anyway-how can we speak against something we do not understand? I just have some concern here for aaron and don't understand why it took 2 threads using his name to expose him.

Very good advice. I wish more you follow what you said.

Please Rachel, If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I wish you well</font> http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[abiyah]

<font color="119911"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>

Rachel WROTE:
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QUOTE: " I do have spiritual discernment in fact it is a gift I have possessed since youth and I know YOU are using God's word TO IRRITATE OTHERS and YOU ARE A SELF-RIGHTEOUS AND SARCASTIC INDIVIDUAL. you may FOOL others but I am not fooled. God will not be mocked!"

(Message edited by rachelengland on October 12, 2006) END QUOTE "
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Well Hello Rachel;

With regards to your above stated quote/post which you had addressed directly to me, but have since ** EDITED ** to remove my name I see since I have last been here. Well I wanted to comment on that, as I did not have time earlier, but do have just a moment now, and finally I'm able to return here this evening to address your above post to me, which was in response of a post that I had addressed to you.

Now, with that being said. You stated that you have the gift of 'spiritual discernment', and thus with that discernment have discerned me. And by your own words, it seems your discernemt of me is that I'm not a sincere Christian, and that perhaps I'm mocking God ? And well.. if you recall you did say to me that God will not be mocked, as IF I was mocking my Heavenly Father? YOU DO GREATLY ERR ! You have also stated that I simply utilize The Word of God to "irritate others", and then you went on in your babel to say that I'm "self righteous " and then finally, you said, and yea... this is according to your 'spiritual discernment' that I'm a "sarcastic individual ". And well... its people such as you Rachel that make me even the more Thankful that God IS JUDGE, as His Judgements are righteous,and yours are not. For indeed He does KNOW the sincere intentions of my heart, for He IS The Heart-Knower, and He KNOWS that I was NOT by any means being sarcastic, and indeed He KNOWS that I'm in no way a self righteous individual. I'm no better than any one else, and their are quit a few here that come to these threads that have far more understanding of God's Word than myself. So basically.... when it comes to being a student of God's Word, I indeed am in the back of the class, if you know what I mean by that. But what I do know and understand, I do as The Lord as instructed, and I SHARE IT. But if you Rachel, find The Scriptures I post to be "irritating", then I DO cast my pearls before swine, and I'm indeed in err of that which Christ The Lord has commanded me.

However, I will say this, your so-called spiritual discernment of me is so very far off. You do not know me at ALL Rachel, yet you have come here and 'accused' me, and made me out to be a fake Christian, telling me that God will not be mocked ? And then stating that I have fooled others, but I can't fool you ? Are you for real girlfriend ?? I think you'd better sharpen up your so-called spiritual discernment, because you Rachel are SO, SO WRONG !


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifContinued for Rachel </font>

[abiyah]

<font color="119911"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifCONTINUED to Rachel

Listen here miss think she knows it all ! I have come here to these Shepherd's Chapel threads for God knows how long, and I have come here each time with a sincere heart, dedicated to sharing The Truth of God's Word, and yea, there are times I have had 'righteous indignation' within my posts, that is a fact ! But when I see discord as it was unfolding in this thread today, I thought it to be 'good' to post those verses which were in my above posts, those in which you found to be irritating, I thought might help them. And you know what ? If I were to go to a Christian church, group, or forum, and found their doctrines and their works OFFENSIVE, I'd have no problem cutting it off and seperating myself from it. As a matter of fact, they would not even have to ask me to go my way, because I'd know to seperate myself from it, cut it off, pluck it out and that is because I go in The WAY of Christ The Lord, for He is the only WAY; And I find great pleasure in His Way, as opposed to mans ways. Truly I do. : )

And well Rachel, I thought it to be 'good' to address those who are perhaps OFFENDED by SOME OF The Truths of God's Word which we discuss here in these Shepherd's Chapel Threads, and to simply remind them of Christ's instructions 'IF' a Christian group OFFENDS you, what you should do. And that was ALL I was doing here today. Simply letting them know that it is quit alright to go in peace, and to seperate yourselves from these threads. As we are not going to FORCE our beliefs on anyone ever. If one must force one to believe The Truth in God's Word, perhaps God's not ready for them anyway at that time, for He is The Good Shepherd, and He LEADS, He does not drag by force. He does not force anyone, He wants them to follow Him and His Truth with a WILLING heart, and not by force. And another thing Rachel, we as Christians are not to behave in this manner, and I was TRYING to bring peace, and get back to the reason why we all gather here, and its not to argue ! But rather its to discuss The Word of God. That is WHY I come here. But the strife, hatred, and discord that was being displayed under these threads is not of God, and it is NOT the friut of The Spirit. And you can bet satan had a real good laugh at us all here today.

So then you tell me Rachel, was that which I tryed to do 'good' or 'evil', you should know since you have the gift of spiritual discernment ? I'm just sorry that my good intentions in trying to bring peace to this thread here made you angry, and provoked you to say the things that you said to me, for indeed it was mean spirited, and untrue. But hey .... that's okay, because God is Judge,and He is Fair, and His Judgements are Righteous, and in the end... that IS all that matters.

Well... I guess that is it Rachel, I have said my peace. A very peaceful and good night to you ALL, and God Bless.

Abiyah
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[watchman_2]

preachers_daughter,

If you check the 'Detractors Motivation' thread, you will see that I gave you due credit above all of the other detractors that have frequented the SC threads.

So, when you write, Oh, and I'll go lecture gc about her behavior as soon as you go lecture smyrna and watchman about theirs., you are being disingenuous again.

The record is quite clear here when you started posting on these thread that it was you that turned nasty the first time that you were shown that your theology was incorrect.

In fact, we started all over again and were cordial to each other until, again, your theology was proven wrong. At that point again, you turned nasty -- real fast.

So, I expect your written lecture to godchild explaining how she and you will be cleaning up your act. When might I expect to see your written lecture?

[watchman_2]

godchild wrote,

<font color="ff0000">Many additions to the Bible can be found in the appendixes bullinger wrote in his companion bible. You can also find there his view that words in the Holy Bible should be changed. These are men's words that am borrows from to teach what he calls truth, and we know to be lies.</font>

Gee, since when were the inspired scriptures written in English. How would godchild know that Bullinger changed the scriptures? Is godchild a Hebrew, Aramaic, and/or Greek linguist?

Assuming that godchild is not, we can all see her for the hypocrite that she is.

Oh, by the way folks, godchild uses the NKJV as her spiritual guide. Anyone of you ever read the changes therein? For one thing, it is a 'rapture' bible. There are an abundance of other changes as well.

[abiyah]

<font color="119911"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning to you Watchman !

Always very nice to see you brother. Hey Guess what ? When I woke up this morning, it looked as though Mr. Jack FROST [ btw- not a real entity ] came and blew allot of little white flaky crystals, here in my neck of the woods... LOL ! JOKING ! LOL ! No, but really there is a whole lotta frost outside here this morning...cold, crisp, &amp; clean, our Father's nature is truly something. Beautiful ! : )

Well Watchman, I pray that you have a day that is filled with the wonderful blessings of Christ The Lord.

Abiyah</font>

[rachelengland]

Abiyah-I didn't edit my post to erase your name-when I am editing posts it is usually to correct grammar and spelling errors. I am not a miss know it all nor do I have any intentions. Relax and God bless you as well....R

[smyrna]

Watchman,

Good post. There are no additions to the KJV in the Companion Bible footnotes.
But if someone wants to really speak about additions, perhaps we can have a discussion about the Septuagint additions to Esther,Jeremiah,Daniel, etc.

[abiyah]

<font color="119911"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif Well Thank you !

Peace be upon you; Listen... have a great day today Rachel ! Its an absolutely beautiful day outside today, so enjoy it, for WE have so, so very much to be Thankful for to God, our Father ! And may He Bless your heart, truly. </font><font color="ff0000"><font face="courier new,courier"></font>

I John 4:7
" Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. "</font><font color="119911"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>


Abiyah</font>

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
I hope that no one here thinks that I dislike them because of our differences.

(having been named one of the fab five and all,Lol.)

Peace to all and thoughts of the depth,height,length and width of Jesus love,
Dave

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[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
I hope that no one here thinks that I dislike them because of our differences.

(having been named one of the fab five and all,Lol.)

Peace to all and thoughts of the depth,height,length and width of Jesus love,
Dave

</font>}

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[plow_deep]

I never considered you to be a member of "The Beatles"

[smyrna]

Maybe Plow_deep should check his knowledge of Rock and Roll history.The Beatles had only four members.

He thus nullifies his own sarcasm by using erroneous information.

[plow_deep]

Smyrna,

Fab Four...Fab Five, who cares?

The "Fab Anything" brings in mind the Beatles for me.

My comment was meant to be taken in the spirit of humor.

Are you so thin-skinned that you see this as some kinda personal attack?

Maybe you should lighten up a little.

Peace

[smyrna]

Plow_deep,

Thin skinned? Yeah sure. You've got to be kidding me. In any case, the "fab five" as it's used here, is known to regular readers to mean Godchild, Arron, llm, (who has now been disgraced and no longer participates)Davd Munsun, and Franklin, who also no longer participates. These five, with the exception of Munsun, who has been very civil as of late, are Chapel critics who each have their own style of criticizing the SC, but are for the most part either not educated enough to realy be effective, or otherwise are guilty of using quite questionable tactics in their zeal to discredit the SC, and those who are students of the SC.

(Message edited by smyrna on October 13, 2006)

[kimberlyfredrick]

Spanklin used to post here.......hahahahahahah

[preachers_daughter]

watchman, As I have stated before, it was you who turned nasty first. Do I need to copy and paste it all again? No, anyone who wants to know can go back and read the thread where we first stared conversing.

Several times, in the past, you have been extremely meanspirited towards those who do not agree with you. You have called people horrible names and even judged their salvation, yet NO ONE said anything to you. If gc, or anyone else that disagrees with you, says something, then you all expect us to reprimand her/them. All I say is practice what you preach, and I happen to have been talking to angie. Man, it looks like there is a wolf pack on every thread, and not just with the atheists. lol

Also, please do not ever demand any thing of me, as you have in the past, and do not tell me what you expect of me. Your humor is dry and quite boring.

[kimberlyfredrick]

Well......WE saw a wolfpack come HERE yesterday Preachers_Daughter, and you were right there with them!

[preachers_daughter]

And I will be here again, defending those I care about, if need be.

See, I was talking to watchman that time, and look what happened. lol

[kimberlyfredrick]

You are welcome here anytime but where were you when Arron was calling Watchman dumbo,crazy,insane,nuts??? Just who needed defending at that point?

And baby, your on MY turf. I'll post to whoever and whenever I feel like it......got it???

[kimberlyfredrick]

Wow.....That post of mine sounded like Godchild typing......LOL.....sorry PD, I was really laughing when I typed it. I've kinda got a warped since of humor. It sounds mean, but I did not mean it that way....

[preachers_daughter]

Your turf??? So you own this thread???http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

I too used to listen to AM/SC almost every single time he was on television. I too used to follow his teachings. Arron is my friend and his name is on this thread. Looks like this is my turf too.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

Post to me all you want. Post to whom ever you want, when ever you want, I don't care. I have no problem with anyone saying what they think or feel. The more the merrier. I just think it is hilarious the way everyone can answer a question or how everyone has a reply except for the one that was being spoken too.

[kimberlyfredrick]

Turf is a slang expression meaning, 'this is were I hang.'

You only 'hang' here to cause trouble....


I was trying to be civil to you. That is why I explained the tone of my post in my 2nd post to you when I re-read my first post.

Now.....this one needs no introduction or explaination......splughhhhhh!

[watchman_2]

abiyah,

Thank your for your warm thoughts. I hope that you, too, had a blessed day. Having grown up in the northern Midwest and now living in Southern California, I do miss those frosty mornings.

I enjoy reading your posts every day. Keep up the good work!

God Bless!

[watchman_2]

preachers_daughter,

I have never been mean spirited to anyone who did not deserve it.

Most detractors come here with ill will and demonstrate their hostility and lack of knowledge of the scriptures early on. Their initial theological points are usually the same [you know the stuff they read off of other anti-christian websites like the Apologetics] and easily rebutted and defeated by sound Biblical Doctrine that we learn from SC.

This usually infuriates the detractors, since their motivation in coming here is to help liberate those damned SC cultists -- not have the damned SC cultists prove them wrong.

Now, surely you have come here with the same motivation. Otherwise, there would have been no reason to turn real nasty, real fast, when I demonstrated that your theology was false.

Instead of thanking me for showing you the truth of God's Word, you join forces with the other hate-filled detractors. I hope that you are proud of yourself.

You are a liar and a fraud!

[kimberlyfredrick]

You know. I have been thinking just why do detractors come here and ....well...here is what I got.

They put on a farce like, "those poor Sc'ers are in a wicked cult. lets go save there widdle souls so they can go to heaven with us and I can get the soul winners crown, yippee!".

Then, when they are kindly proven wrong with Scripture and Verse, the whole thing turns ugly.

No longer is their mission one of SAVING it becomes one of destroying. The very souls they preached to save for Christ, they abuse with hateful speech. Using a variety of tactics to try and wear down the student and the Word.

As time progresses(and it progresses quite rapidly at this point) the one who intended on saving souls begins hating them. Mudslinging, name-calling,twisting of word and lying anything to try and bring shame and misery on the'
target'.

This is why Jesus referred to them as wolves in sheeps clothing. They come in 'dressed' as good intended Christians but under their Christian intent/clothes they are really wolves trying to seperate us from God.

Just an observatrion

Satan ain't called a destroyer for nothing folks.

[smyrna]

Good post, Kim.

I suppose you're correct, because quite a few of the detractors also frequent boards regarding other Churches they don't like. I notice they for the most part are anti-Catholic, even though one can argue that were it not for the Catholic Church, their own Church, whatever it may be, would not even exist.
But they don't stop there. As a matter of fact, they criticize just about anyone and everyone, and some won't even tell you what Church they belong to. Some will come out and say they don't belong to any Church!

You have to wonder what really motivates them.
Maybe it's their way of feeling good about themselves. Heros of the faith. But the only faith they are heros of is their own perceptions, since many do not claim any Church affiliation. I suspect that many do have a Church, but won't admit it because they don't want others to attack their own beliefs. So they are cowards.

Cultbusters is a perfect example. I don't see any of those people who are called
"Senior Cultbusters " declare what Church they belong to. The only authority they seem to all agree with is Captain Kirk.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Plow,
there actually where five beatles.
Ringo was the second drummer and then remained in the group.

So,
if you look at it that way you're both right in a way.
---
On a side note,
the thread I started was just a coment on all the present bickering going on by all involved.
Also the "conspiracy theory" remarks about spies and all.

It really gets old fast if you know what I mean.?

Question:How do you spy on an open forum?
Any one can read what's posted.
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No insults to anyone intended.

And the church is not I repeat not a building.


</font>}

[kimberlyfredrick]

David,

The whole mess was over and done with. Why bring it up with a NEW THREAD?

And as for the SPY remark.....what other word would you have used?

I think SPY sumed it up nicely. I did not know that I was being set-up by Godchild and Arron until after the fact

Do you see that because of your new thread that we are CONTIUING to discuss this rather worn out topic?

Or was that your plan all along?

Please do not respond to this post, just think about what I said and lets get on with our lives.....OK

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Kim,
it didn't seem to be over.
The thread I put up ,well to be honest I didn't expect any responces.I was just expressing some frustration about all the chaos and ill will.

You'd have to be old enough (I don't know if you are or not) to remember Payton Place.It was an old boring soap opera that was on TV many ,many years ago.

It was my way of saying that things are as far from Christ at the time as they can get and that there could be no real communication.
Sorta high school stuff,you know "he said she said."
Please believe me,I'm not desiring that this continue at all.
I was just frustrated and was trying to express it in a way that it might hit home.
I guess sometimes that's harder to do than you might think.
That dear one (no sarcasm,you are dear to the Lord) was my intention.

I hope you understand.

</font>}

[arron]

to all of you who feel that i am a cutbuster spy and that i report to godchild.... no way ... i do not report to anyone . i do discuss with those at cb and sometomes have argued with some who come from fn just to start something with us at cb. nd i am not a spy for either side. fn, scers have gotten mad at me for i ask questions that they want answer (for they cant ) and they just say " we have already answered that question many times) when they havent answered anything by the b
ible if they do give you something it is never from the bible but what some man said or some other book said. there are those at cultbusters who i disagree with completly. such as the eating of meat or fasting for long periods. but i dont report to any one for any thing. some come back here and tell for i have seen them on f.n. they tell all kinds of lies about us at cb. one who has continuly harressed me for eating and saying i eat meats comes here for i have seen them, they argue with a sign post. they claim they are not scers but they have the same beliefs, they use other books and say FATHER instead of JESUS just like the scers do. now i feel they are a spy if anything so find out who they are and talk to them

(Message edited by arron on January 20, 2007)

[yaqakallah]

Arron,

You are confused. Father/Abba is God/YHVH
Jesus/Yahshua is the Son

As far as your eating meat/fasting/spy post I have no ideal what you are saying or who you are accusing this time of being a spy. You sound paranoid. Why do you care if someone holds different beliefs than you do? most mainstrean Denominations do not hold to much of your churches belefs and most of them teach agaist it.

As far as I know of SC on meat, they keep the OT Dietary laws(like no meat from pigs and shellfish) and as for fasting, I have'nt a clue.

Go in peace

[arron]

JEHOVAH IS GOD, JESUS THE SON IS GOD, THE HOLY GHOST IS GOD.
DID I SAY YOU WERE THE SPY???
ARE YOU PARONOID???(CRAZY)
WHY do you scers care what some one hold different beliefs than you. did you know that most mainstream religions or churchs do not hold to the serpent seed doctrine of the no rapture doctrine and in fact teach against it??????
yes the scers keep the O.T dietary laws, but there were more unclean meats beside shell fish and pig meat do they keep that??? do they eat FAT OR BLOOD???? if they cant live to all the law why pick out a few things they want to harp about. do i believe that you are a spy for fn?????

(Message edited by arron on January 21, 2007)

[angie0401]

SC students DON'T care if someone holds different doctrinal beliefs. That's why you won't find them all over Factnet telling other groups that they are wrong. We'll leave that to you and your buddies.

[arron]

angiespangie... i do not care if they do or dont believe but they do spread their lies and they do say that one is not saved if they believe in the rapture or they are ignorant if they dont believe in the serpent seed mess. so dont tell me what they do or dont believe .. read thir posts before you start condeming other too.

[angie0401]

arron,
Aren't you a little old to call people names and try to make fun of someone's name? Would the pastor of your church pat you on the back and tell you "good job"? Did Jesus say "Pharisess, Smarisees"? Isn't that a bit childish?

Just because you don't believe something doesn't make it a lie. I don't believe in some of the things that are done in the Pentecostal churches, but my faith is strong enough that I don't feel the need to constantly run to the Pentecostal threads and tell you all how wrong you are, try to mock your username and call you liars. What would make you do these things?

(Message edited by Angie0401 on January 22, 2007)

[getagrip]

yeah, that's what i'm talking 'bout!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Angie,

Great post!

Quote:
Just because you don't believe something doesn't make it a lie. I don't believe in some of the things that are done in the Pentecostal churches, but my faith is strong enough that I don't feel the need to constantly run to the Pentecostal threads and tell you all how wrong you are, try to mock your username and call you liars. What would make you do these things?

I couldn't have said it better.</font> http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[abiyah]

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Aaron WROTE:
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QUOTE: " WHY do you scers care what some one hold different beliefs than you. " END QUOTE
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<font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>
Aaron, we could also ask the same of you... why do you care what beliefs we hold which are different from other denominations, or even yours ? We certainly do not go into other Christian forums or threads, and perecute and tell lies about those Christians for their different beliefs as you have done so here under these Shepherd's Chapel Threads to us. You may want to try a bit of 'self evaluation' brother, as you certianly have allot of nerve asking us that question when you do that which you ask here under these threads almost daily. You care about our different beliefs or else you would not do the unrighteous things you have done here. And look at yourself... how you get all bent out of shape over The Parable of the tares [ Matthew 13:36-43], as you call it the serpent seed doctrine; however it is The Word of God, Christ taught it, its known Biblically as The Parable of The Wheat and the tares, so why don't you start calling it that. And you also get all bent of of shape when we have warned of the coming of the false or instead-of-Christ, and how he comes before The True Jesus Christ , claiming to be God, and you get all upset about that ! And indeed you have verbally persecuted us for our beliefs of The Truth of God's Word, and do just about whatever it takes that we not share those Truths here at FACTnet, as you try to bring forth doubt with your false rapture doctrine [ google Margret Mcdonald for rapture info, for you will not find it in The Word of the LORD], and your strong held beliefs in the traditions of men which make God's Word to none effect [Mark 7:13] ! These things that you share here cause doubt to The Truth which we shsre here under these threads. How dare you ask what we care ?! For we have never forced you, not ever to believe as we believe The Truth of God's Word. And as Kim as so advised you... you should go in peace, because with the works that you do here Aaron... you are only going to hurt yourself... and not us !</font>[i]<font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

Matthew 7:5
" Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. "</font></font></font><font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>


Abiyah</font>

[godchild]

abi, I have been to numerous discussion boards where scer's have posted that others are in error about their beliefs. Look at what, according to smyrna, your own pastor says about others:

QUOTE:
<font color="ff0000">I know that there are theologians who do not believe in a literal antichrist, but that's their opinion, though it is easily refuted. That Murray refers to those who teach such trash as "Idiot," "Jezebels," "Ignorant to believe such trash," and "Idiot, you're going to hell!"</font>
I love it. It's about time someone got on TV and gets tough with these tabloid theologians who sell books and bumperstickers hawking a false teaching to make money on it.-end quote

smyrna isn't the only one who "loves" the way am preaches. You've seen it at the fig tree, I'm sure. They think his "methods" are not only wonderful, but humorous. WWJD

So, I must return your scripture quote back to you:
Matthew 7:5
" Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. "

(as for angi admonishing arron, have you so soon forgotten how you all mocked my use of the name "godchild"?

<font size="+1"><font color="ff0000">Matthew 7:5
" Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. " </font></font>

Vivian Hadden

[skooter942000]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif

lie1
(noun)

1. A false statement made with the intention of deceiving.

Thesaurus: falsehood, untruth, fib, fabrication, deceit, white lie, whopper (slang).

2. Anything misleading; a fraud.

Example: live a lie

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(A difference of Opinion, is just that)

Miscommunication (from Poor teachers), is just that.



Just because someone does not believe,
(EXACTLY as 'you'), - does not a CULT MAKE.

Do all the Detractors -post- against
everyone who believes differently
than themselves?

- Or just against us &amp; SC?


CULTS think for you.
That is not what SC does.

They don't ask you to move in
feed you
clothe you
make you totally Dependant on them
(BRAIN WASH YOU with sleep deprivation)
reward you for saying just the right thing
(What they want you to say and think)
and bombard you with their thinking.

Anyone watching SC on TV, can change the Channel
if they please.

(Do they say "DON'T touch that DIAL),
or satan will - "git ya".
("get you" - for the English speakers out there)

- They don't even beg for support.
$
$$
$$$
$$$$
$$$$$


'A CHURCH', that Teaches:

CHAPTER by CHAPTER
VERSE by VERSE -
- Does not a CULT MAKE.


Unless your FAITH (&amp; CULT), tells you different.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif



Not that i am willing to argue the point
with any ANTI-CHAPEL (types).

Life is too short to argue with these peoples.

- (We all make our beds)


Anyone can say they follow after CHRIST,
then walk contrary to HIM, (At every opportunity).

The FACTS are on this SITE,
- and what a (SIGHT) it is.



CHRIST said to FOLLOW AFTER (ME), meaning (HIM).
- Yet how many act like satan on this SITE?


<font color="119911"><font face="arial,helvetica">satan is the Accuser
</font></font>



http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif



Don <*))><

[abiyah]

<font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif Amen Skooter !</font></font></font>

[getagrip]

"I don't feel the need to constantly run to the Pentecostal threads"

I am WEARING my Pentecostal threads baby... Pale blue polyester blend leisure suit, white patent leather shoes and small shofar in my back pocket. Ready to get it on, on Sunday. Maybe a little porkpie hat or a derby depending on the weather and wide tie tied in a big fat double windsor knot, perhaps a white belt to match the kickers, you know what I'm saying?

That's some Pentecostal threads...

[angie0401]

getagrip http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif
What's a shofar?

[getagrip]

Hey Angiehttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Aaron can tell you!

It goes with the outfit...

[skooter942000]

http://www.meloteca.com/imagens/instrumentarium/shofar.jpg

[getagrip]

Hey I must dropped that! Looks just like mine, perfect "C"...

[arron]

angie to begin with i am not old and it was said by angie that they didnt care if someone hold differet views ,abuyah that should andwer you question of course you will lie out of it and say i said something that i didn not say. angie you said you didnt feel the need to run to the pentecostal threads.. who asked you too??? and get a grip your "dig" at the pentecostals about the style dress i dont wear that kind of suit i wear a suit to church yes but it isnt like you say
i dont wear white suits and i dont have a shofar, i dont weat hats dont wear big wide ties and dont wear a whit belt i do wear a brown belt like men wear with suits and i dont wear knickers just regular shoes be careful what you say about the shofar as far as i am concerned that belongs to the jews and i want talk against my jewish friends

[arron]

so go join kf ( not kentucky fried chicken ) who started this thread, called me a liar and said i was reporting to godchild which i wasnt and never have you all every one do this to try to get us to quit coming here.

[angie0401]

arron said: WHY do you scers care what some one hold different beliefs than you. ...

angie said: SC students DON'T care if someone holds different doctrinal beliefs. That's why you won't find them all over Factnet telling other groups that they are wrong. ...

arron said: angiespangie... i do not care if they do or dont believe ...

angie said: Aren't you a little old to call people names and try to make fun of someone's name? ... Just because you don't believe something doesn't make it a lie. I don't believe in some of the things that are done in the Pentecostal churches, but my faith is strong enough that I don't feel the need to constantly run to the Pentecostal threads and tell you all how wrong you are, try to mock your username and call you liars.

abi said: Aaron, we could also ask the same of you... why do you care what beliefs we hold which are different from other denominations, or even yours ? ...

arron said: angie to begin with i am not old and it was said by angie that they didnt care if someone hold differet views ... angie you said you didnt feel the need to run to the pentecostal threads.. who asked you too??? ..

arron,
a.) I never said you were "old" - just too old to be trying to make fun of people's name. I would consider anyone over the age of 8 too old to be doing that.
b.) Yes, I said we don't care if someone holds different views in response to your accusation that we do.
c.) Who asked YOU to come over here and constantly accuse, lie and twist what we say? My point was, just because you don't agree with someone's doctrine does NOT give you the right to attack them and what they believe. Can you show me ONE PLACE in the Bible where Jesus went seeking out the Pharisees so He could "set them heretics straight"???

[ezekiel_37]

<font color="ff0000">Can you show me ONE PLACE in the Bible where Jesus went seeking out the Pharisees so He could "set them heretics straight"???</font>

No but they always seemed to seek Him out and find Him to accuse, didn't they.

Sounds like "some "here.

Peace in the Truth of Christ
c

[abiyah]

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Ezekiel WROTE:
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A Very Fine Morning to you Ezekiel !

Excellent point brother! ") Indeed the pharisees &amp; sadducees did SEEK Jesus, and not for Truth, and wisdom of God's Word; No, but rather they sought Jesus to accuse Him, to try to tempt Him... they CAME to our Lord for all the WRONG reasons. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif </font><font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="-1">

Matthew 16:1
" The Pharisees also with the Sadducees CAME, and TEMPTING desired Him that He would shew them a sign from Heaven. "

Matthew 19:3
" The Pharisees also CAME UNTO Him, TEMPTING Him, and saying unto Him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? "

Mark 7:1
" Then CAME TOGETHER UNTO Him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. "

Mark 12:13
" And they SEND UNTO Him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, TO CATCH Him IN His Words. "

Luke 6:7
" And the scribes and Pharisees WATCHED Him, whether He would heal on the sabbath day; THAT THEY MIGHT FIND AN ACCUSATION AGAINST Him. "</font></font></font><font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>

And indeed some that come to these Shepherd's Chapel Threads, as well as to The Fig Tree Cafe' do the same. And even for those who have not posted here or at The Cafe' in some time now, well... Its quite possible they are just "watching" us, and perhaps they may do so for the very same reason the pharisees and sadducees watched our Lord, Christ Jesus. Yet IT IS Written here....<font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="-1">

John 15:20
" Remember The Word that I said unto you, The servant IS NOT GREATER THAN his Lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also. "</font></font></font><font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>

Abiyah</font></font>

[smyrna]

Peace to you Ezekiel and Abiyah,

Abiyah, I agree with your post, but we also have to remember that your words will never correct the detractors, because

1. They claim we are not Christian, and "twist and pervert" the Word of God.

2. The detractors are convinced they are basically infallible, for at least in the case of the CBers, they will never admit they are in error on any point, no matter how small and insignificant to the overall discussion.

Rather, they will ingore a post or part of a post that proves them wrong beyond any doubt. I'm not even talking about specific Biblical questions or issues. They even do this with such innocuous and trival matters such as whether SC has a church building or not.

(Message edited by smyrna on March 16, 2007)

[skooter942000]

.....let them go.


- Do we really want them BACK?


P.S.

foxy loxy is a hoot.

http://www.cultbusters.com.au/index.php?PHPSESSID=c6852f06dd7152a5c24f18885e822a 87&amp;topic=162.msg11058;topicseen#new

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Re: THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!
« Reply #210 on: Today at 08:58:24 AM »

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You will fear the wrath of God!

Beast or human, you are all evil and God is going to punish all of you.

Except those who repent and seek refuge in my Den of Sanctuary.

By Divine Revelation I have been anointed as God's only true prophet.

Follow me or else!

You have been warned.

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Unmmmmm, NO thanx




- I miss them NOT!!!

Hey fella ,
- (Not on the SOFA)!!!!!

- down boy!!!





Unmmmmmmm,

I'm not cleaning that!!!!!

That's your mess,
- (you clean it up yourself)


LOL


- This FOX has never read Ezekiel 13
('i' suppose)

Eze 13:3 Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Woe unto the foolish prophets,
that follow their own spirit,
and have seen nothing!


Eze 13:4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the <font color="0000ff">foxes in the deserts</font>.


Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps,
neither made up the hedge for the house of
Israel to stand in the battle in the day of
the LORD.


Eze 13:6 They have seen vanity and lying
divination, saying, The LORD saith:
and the LORD hath not sent them:
and they have made [others] to hope
that they would confirm the word.


Eze 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision,
and have ye not spoken a lying divination,
whereas ye say, The LORD saith [it];
albeit I have not spoken?


Eze 13:8 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD;
Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies,
therefore, behold, I [am] against you,
saith the Lord GOD.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">LOL Skooter, I was thinking of the same verse when I read about foxy loxy..lol</font>

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
"Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps,
neither made up the hedge for the house of
Israel to stand in the battle in the day of
the LORD."
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Are you praying for other brethren even though they may not agree with some doctrinal issues?
This verse is a rebuke for not interceding for our fellow brethren in all places.

Are you?
Praying for "all" your brethren?
Even though they disagree with doctrines?

If not then say nothing.It will bite you in the hinder parts.

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[skooter942000]

I always PRAY for the ENEMY.

- That they receive their DUE. (Rewards)

- So they may CHANGE THEIR WAYS.

Before they LEAVE the FLESH,
(And then can't take it back).


I pray when sending Most EVERY POST.
- (In Servitude).


We all need to be careful not to WISH GOD-SPEED
upon them. - (Right David)


- Or else (One may join them in the PUNISHMENT).

- Not accusing you.

- We all shall reap what we SOW.


i am not sure who this one is.
- (but i do have a pretty good idea)




Either way,
That ONE,
- is a FALSE PROPHET

- Do you agree (With his words)?
- (Or mine)



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[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
"I always PRAY for the ENEMY."
---
You pray for satan?
He is your only real enemy.
If you count those people in opposition to you as enemies you have made a serious mistake.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Jesus said of the lost,"John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

So in actuality people are not our enemies though they may resist and reject the message of the gospel that we share with them.

Satan is the only real enemy we have ever had.
Stop praying for him,he's past reedemption.

I know you don't really pray for satan,I'm just making a point about how Christ wants us to consider others as valuable souls that we should lay our lives down for and to realise that people are not really our enemies.

He is risen!

Glory to God in the highest.

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[skooter942000]

Hi David,

Looking for an argument, (it seems).




- Look elsewhere. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif


Do you believe that FOX is a FALSE PROPHET?
- (Y/N)?





- Of satan (The FALSE KING)

I do pray for him,
TO RECEIVE HIS DUE!!!

He is sentenced to PERISH.

- That is what i also DESIRE!!!


Hurry, (Hurry)!!!

On GOD'S TIMETABLE , (not ours of course).

I would never PRAY for GRACE for that ONE.
- So Give me a BREAK!!!





David another Question.

Is a MURDERER - (an ENEMY)?
- (Or a BROTHER)?


- How about the Detractors?



Satan is my Greatest Enemy.
But he has many followers - (even HERE)!!!!


wink/wink

[oneway]

david_munson,


you stated; "Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


I have been meaning to bring up this very thing but never got around to it. And for this very reason(Ephesians 6:12), I don't take offence from others in here in a personal way, because I know this is what I'm ultimately up against. Ephesians 6:12 sums it up quite well.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Scooter,
"Hi David,

Looking for an argument, (it seems)."
---
It seems but no I am not.
This statement that I made should have clued you into that,
"I know you don't really pray for satan,I'm just making a point about how Christ wants us to consider others as valuable souls that we should lay our lives down for and to realise that people are not really our enemies."
That was my point.

You asked me,
"David another Question.

Is a MURDERER - (an ENEMY)?
- (Or a BROTHER)?"

I say that you should ask Moses that question.
He can answer it better than I.
(Get the message?)

You are to pray for "the detractors" just like the Lord "commands" you to.

You also asked if I was looking to argue then you ask me to make a judgement about another person.
Nice bait and switch but I don't play that game, thank you.
---
Smyrna,
I see all people as valuable and in need of a relationship with our Lord.
I don't care if they follow satan himself,they can still be saved "before they die" and are not in actuality our enemies.
Maybe seriously decieved but not "our" enemies.

Most folks don't even give that a second thought let alone a first thought and it is a terrible shame that Christ is silenced in this way.

I often wonder if "people in general" need someone they can see to use as a scape goat for avoiding their own personal issues.
I see this every where.
(notice I said "people in general" and am not singling anyone out)

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[skooter942000]

Third time ASKED:

- For David M



Talk about BAIT and SWITCH:


Do you believe that FOX is a FALSE PROPHET?
- (Y/N)? [ Meaning FOXY LOXY ]

Are HIS (or HER http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif) words "TRUE"?

You have not spoken out against this.

So i was wondering where you stand , "HERE"?

- With CHRIST , (one would hope).

[skooter942000]

[From David]

Smyrna,
I see all people as valuable and in need of a relationship with our Lord.

I don't care if they follow satan himself,

they can still be saved "before they die"
and are not in actuality our enemies.
Maybe seriously decieved but not "our" enemies.

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David,

Is that what CHRIST teaches?
- (that there are no enemies)?


Mat 5:44 But 1161 I 1473 say 3004 unto you 5213,
Love 25 your 5216 enemies 2190, bless 2127
them that curse 2672 you 5209, do 4160 good 2573
to them that hate 3404 you 5209, and 2532
pray 4336 for 5228 them which 3588 despitefully
use 1908 you 5209, and 2532 persecute 1377
you 5209;




2190. echthros ech-thros' from a primary echtho
(to hate); hateful (passively, odious, or
actively, hostile); usually as a noun, an
adversary (especially Satan):--enemy, foe.



Phl 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize
of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.


Phl 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be
perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing
ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even
this unto you.


Phl 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already
attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us
mind the same thing.


Phl 3:17 ¶ Brethren, be followers together of
me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us
for an ensample.


Phl 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told
you often, and now tell you even weeping,
[that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:


Phl 3:19 Whose end [is] destruction,
whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory
[is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)



"CHRISTIANS" have enemies.
- (So you are wrong)

- "There are ENEMIES of THE CROSS"!!!

(Perhaps you mean no one is TRULY LOST that
dwells in the FLESH).

That they may still attain salvation (Before they PASS-ON).

- I'll agree here.

- (Murder could be the exception)
- That will be addressed LATER-ON.
- (In GOD'S PRESENCE)





Of So_called - (fellow believers)

(Some even claim to be of this FAITH),
- And are clearly not.

= Look at the FRUIT they have.



Also Note (2Thess 2:1-4)
About the Coming Apostasy (FALLING-AWAY_).



If someone claims CHRIST, (As their Savior).

___________GREAT___________



Then it is time to look at their FRUIT.
- (To see if this is TRUE or NOT).



satan is the accuser

- (but we are to discern)
- And not POINT FINGERS.


The FRUIT will always lead us to the TRUTH HERE.



Is a MUSLIM (Extremist), with a BOMB on himself
Ready to MURDER 'you', - a BROTHER, (Or FRIEND)?

- Or is he an ENEMY?

We are taught to LOVE our ENEMIES.
- Yet you say they don't exist?


________Strange_______

[oneway]

skooter942000,



you stated: "Third time ASKED:

- For David M



Talk about BAIT and SWITCH:


Do you believe that FOX is a FALSE PROPHET?
- (Y/N)? [ Meaning FOXY LOXY ]

Are HIS (or HER ) words "TRUE"?

You have not spoken out against this.

So i was wondering where you stand , "HERE"? "

Why not just accept it for what it is? It's role playing. I don't believe that anyone is claiming to be a literal prophet from God, are they?
Before I get flamed, I am in no way trying to answer posts addressed to David for him, he's an intelligent person, he's capable of answering posts addressed to him *IF* he feels the need to.

[godchild]

More paranoid preaching from scooter. I wonder why it doesn't bother him when people at the fig tree call him 'scooter'? Hmm, scooter?

<font color="ff0000"><font size="+1">Hooray for Matt Slick and other Christian apologists!</font></font>

[godchild]

More paranoid preaching from scooter. I wonder why it doesn't bother him when people at the fig tree call him 'scooter'? Hmm, scooter?

<font color="ff0000"><font size="+1">Hooray for Matt Slick and other Christian apologists!</font></font>

[skooter942000]

Oneway (can you not READ)?




I said:

Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 1:45 pm:

Either way,
That ONE,
- is a FALSE PROPHET




So your words (Are not TRUE).



BTW/ That SIR , (Is not ROLE PLAYING_)
Those are FALSE WORDS , (from a FALSE PROPHET).


SC is always under attack by False Accusers.

That is clearly placed on that CULT LISTING
to gain SUPPORT.



Do you believe in them (Y/N)?

(Remember the 10 WORDS/...COMMANDMENTS)





[A Turn in the TIDE]

If the SHOE FITS....(One must Wear it)
- ONEWAY or ANOTHER - (Pun Included)
<font color="ff0000">- FREE OF CHARGE</font>





VIVIAN

'we' enjoyed the PEACE while you were MIA.
- Just so you know.




BTW/

CB is that_'a'_way === >



'i' mean
- that_'a'_way

||
||
\/



Talk about wasting BANDWIDTH,
Double posting ,(Naughty Naughty)


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[skooter942000]

BTW VIVIAN

Explain how showing someone to be a False Prophet
as being Paranoid?


A false Prophet and a Hypocrite.

"TWO STONES" with ("ONE TOSS")



That finger is now pointing back at HIM.
- Enjoy that!!!


_____Strange_____


You do know what the TERM - aCtuAlLy mEanS? (rIgHt) - Paranoid.



You are the FIRST to accuse me of this.

- Go figure DEAR.



That site is a CULT BUSTING SITE, (SUPPOSEDLY).

Yet you have your own, (False Prophet on Board)?
- Leading people, Using a False ID.

- That's the TRUTH


- How do the Blind not see this?
- meaning YA'LL





On another NOTE:

Today is the 10 year anniversary of the heavens Gate tragedy.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2977618&amp;page=1



- (you said you were in one cult once).
Now you appear to be in another.

- Just trying to help here.




- Careful (DEAR)http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif



If someone offers you cool-aid from your CB group,
- (Just refuse it).


(http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif)

[oneway]

you stated: "[A Turn in the TIDE]

If the SHOE FITS....(One must Wear it)
- ONEWAY or ANOTHER - (Pun Included)
- FREE OF CHARGE "

Good one, skooter!! You tickled me with that one.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[smyrna]

Hey Skooter,

Want to join us in looking for all of Godchild's and the other CBer's really ridiculous posts?

There are so many here, we can build a HUGE thread with all of them!

I'm going to see if the other SC students that communicate off forum via email to consider going through the last year's worth of posts, and get toegther all the really riotously funny, and not so funny stuff they have posted.

It should be great fun!

[oneway]

smyna stated: "Hey Skooter,

Want to join us in looking for all of Godchild's and the other CBer's really ridiculous posts?

There are so many here, we can build a HUGE thread with all of them!

I'm going to see if the other SC students that communicate off forum via email to consider going through the last year's worth of
posts, and get toegther all the really riotously funny, and not so funny stuff they have posted.

It should be great fun!"


The question that races to my mind is, how are you all going to also have time to look for all the funny stuff they posted, when you all will be too busy laughing at your own stuff, the serious but very funny stuff that you forgot that you all said? Just wondering?? I guess it's lucky for me that I'm not funny.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hey Smyrna,

When I have more time, I'll help search. My memory is good with some of the threads.

Hi Skooter, It is always so nice to see you.</font> http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
"We are taught to LOVE our ENEMIES.
- Yet you say they don't exist?
--
Is that what I said,that they don't exist?
No,
that is not what I said,that is what you say I said.
(this could get out of control,I said ,you said,she said,he said,they said,LOL.)

We percieve people to be our enemies so Christ has to address us as where we are at.
Satan is the only "real" enemy we have.
"WE" don't fight against "flesh".
WE are not "the cross" either.

You do not understand what I am saying it would seem.
If you see people as enemies then you don't understand the heart of God.
The heart of pure Love.
Would you die for your enemies like Jesus did?
No!
You still don't understand the message.

---
"Do you believe that FOX is a FALSE PROPHET?
- (Y/N)? [ Meaning FOXY LOXY ]"

What relavence is this to me?
I don't role play.
That thread is a role playing game.
What do you think you are going to make of that?

I know what is going on and am not going to play by your rules.(games that is)
I deal with what I am given to deal with and nothing else.

What is that to you?
Go and follow Christ.
I have a calling already.
A calling with substance.Hebrews 1:11.

I find no reason to debate over a role playing game.It serves no profitable purpose.

Have a Son-ny day,
Dave

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[smyrna]

Oneway wrote: "I guess it's lucky for me that I'm not funny."

Don't sell yourself short, Oneway.

And you are right, we have said many funny things about our detractors. I'm kind of proud of the Christmas carols I wrote about Franklin, for instance, or, almost the entire thread, titled: Shepherd's Chapel Detractors: A New Approach. Hilarious, especially the posts where the detractors took it seriously!!

Good idea! We should throw stuff like that in, too!

There is so much great material here, I'm starting to think it WOULD really make a great book!

[skooter942000]

David,

satan wants to be GOD.

He wants to PLAY this PART.
- Is this a GOOD WORK? (Y/N)




Desiring to be GOD (Or Messiah), is clearly WRONG.



Can't even say , (i agree here)
That those words , (Are not TRUE)

Game or NOT,
(i don't see it as a game).

- Wonder how GOD sees it?



I'll stand by CHRIST , (before MANKIND).
- 7 days a week.




Role Playing or NOT ,
(is pretending to be GOD),
or MESSIAH , (A good work)?

-See the 10 Commandments.
-(The first 5 are very pertinent here)



And i would DIE for someone.
'i' have put this to the test more than ONCE.

And continue to do so, (DAILY).



- The FUTURE seems BRIGHT. (for many)


- Because many of us will not BOW to
the Spurious jesus when he comes to Rapture you
away. (Or Comes Claiming , - "he will")


We shall stand against Mr. DEATH, when needed.
- See Matt 10



You need to study up on:
(WHO is my NEIGHBOR) Luke 10:29


- Not everyone (IS).



i have said before:

(I'll stand with someone who treats others fairly),
over someone who claims to be a follower of CHRIST,
and clearly isn't because they HATE OTHERS,
and LIE constantly , (And are found to be HYPOCRITES).

(By their FRUITS)... we shall know them...







- with LOVE, (Comes Correction)
* Perhaps TRUE CHANGE * - may take place.

- Just perhaps http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif



Don <*))><

[skooter942000]

- Hey Smyrna (http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif)

i am not going to waste my time in finding
the false messages from the detractors.

"GOD" know their HEARTS...
- (As do we through Discernment)


You probably know them better than 'i'.
- Where they are kept.


i have work to do for FATHER.
- (that is more important)


A verse comes to mind here.
Not telling you ,(Or anyone else what to do here).

- We all have our "GIFTS" http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif


- "Let the DEAD, Bury their DEAD".

- CHRIST said ("FOLLOW ME").




- This offering hits even harder....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk009.html#60


BTW/
- Not calling you , _(DEAD)_

- Some verses just hit me at times...




'i' am not taking time away from helping the LAMBS &amp; (SHEEP),
- to spend it on them.

- it is enough i am here, (posting now).
- The few minutes each day i visit.

- To nip things.


(We all have our "Callings")



We all just need to remember, (To serve CHRIST),
- as "HE" would "SERVE THE FATHER".

- In the same CAPACITY.


That way these TYPES have little ammo to accuse us with.


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif


-AGAPE-

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
"Role Playing or NOT ,
(is pretending to be GOD),
or MESSIAH , (A good work)? "
---
Answer:The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe.
Jesus of Nazareth.The Robe.
You claim understanding of allagory,then figure out my answer.

You don't understand yet still.



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[skooter942000]

Your "Silence", - shows much (here).

- So be it David.

A movie may be used to GAIN (Others) to CHRIST.
To open a door (to certain FACTS).

Trying to place that GROUP, into the same category ,
- (Is a very LARGE mistake).

They Push people away from CHRIST.
(In actuality). (...Though Ignorance and HATE).

- And they shall answer for it.









[strike #3]


Eze 33:3 If when he seeth the sword come upon
the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the
people;


Eze 33:4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of
the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the
sword come, and take him away, his blood shall
be upon his own head.


Eze 33:5 He heard the sound of the trumpet,
and took not warning; his blood shall be upon
him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver
his soul.


Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword
come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people
be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any]
person from among them, he is taken away in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at the
watchman's hand.


Eze 33:7 ¶ So thou, O son of man, I have set
thee a watchman unto the house of Israel;
therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth,
and warn them from me.

[abiyah]

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godchild WROTE:
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QUOTE: " More paranoid preaching from scooter. I wonder why it doesn't bother him when people at the fig tree call him 'scooter'? Hmm, scooter? " END QUOTE
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John 15:20
" Remember The Word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also. "

John 15:21
" But all these things will they do unto you for My Name's Sake, because they know NOT Him that sent Me. "

John 15:22
" If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin; but now they have no cloke for their sin. "</font></font></font><font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>


And It IS ALSO WRITTEN</font><font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

Matthew 5:11
" Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you FALSELY, for My Sake. "

Matthew 5:12
" Rejoice, and be exceeding glad; for great is your reward in Heaven; for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. "

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[abiyah]

<font color="000000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="-1">
David Munson WROTE:
*********************************************** **
QUOTE: " "Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps,
neither made up the hedge for the house of
Israel to stand in the battle in the day of
the LORD."
---
Are you praying for other brethren even though they may not agree with some doctrinal issues?
This verse is a rebuke for not interceding for our fellow brethren in all places. END QUOTE "
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This 13th Chapter of Ezekiel speaks of "FOOLISH PROPHETS", that being FALSE teachers of God' Word.....FAKES! And this verse ....</font><font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

Ezekiel 13:5
" Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. "</font></font></font><font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif...... Therefore this verse speaks with regard to those [ first recall what those 'foxes' do = for they do indeed lead God's children ASTRAY, they MISLEAD THEM so far from The Truth that God's children are unable to produce good fruit, because of the false leading/teachings/doctrines ] true teachers/prophets of God's Word which are to stand in the gaps of the hedge which surrounds God's Children, that hedge is a hedge of protection, to protect The Truth of God's Word in the hearts/minds of His People. But within the hedge there are gaps, those gaps ARE... small openings within the hedge... in which those 'foxes' can easily enter in and they bring in false teachings &amp; false doctrines which mislead God's children. Now the true teachers/prophets of God's Word are to STAND in the gaps within the hedge, to protect from and to fight off any false teachings/doctrines that the foxes bring in. These foxes would not be able to enter in at all if the true teachers/ministers/preachers/ would simply STAND IN THE GAPS ! These are suppose to keep the hedge strong ! God's children are being mislead, that hedge has gaps in it TODAY ! For in the gaps the foxes have entered in already, and the doctrines which come forth are misleading, they are false, and will led God's People astray, to even cause them to "fall away' as the doctrines in which the foxes brought in through the gaps are NOT of God, but rather they are of satan. Question... how can one stand in the battle in The Day of The Lord if he listened and believed that which the foxes brought in through the gaps ? Answer... ?

Abiyah</font>

[godchild]

Oh brother. Now abi's calling scooter a prophet too? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif I'll bet she thinks she's a prophetess. Too, too funny!

"And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need."

Pay attention to what Christen wrote. She said they will come in to lead us away with false doctrine (paraphrased) like a fox in the chicken house. Christianity has not changed; am/sc has brought in false doctrine so beware of false teachers and antichrists.

[godchild]

Oh brother. Now abi's calling scooter a prophet too? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif I'll bet she thinks she's a prophetess. Too, too funny!

"And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need."

Pay attention to what Christen wrote. She said they will come in to lead us away with false doctrine (paraphrased) like a fox in the chicken house. Christianity has not changed; am/sc has brought in false doctrine so beware of false teachers and antichrists.

[smyrna]

In Godchild's rapidly expanding personal vocabulary, she now defines "Prophet" as someone who quotes the Bible on Internet discussion boards.

Two days ago, she re-defined "martyr".

Her new boss must be tearing his or her hair out, trying to figure out what she's talking about most of the time.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Maybe she can tell us who her employer is, so we can dump any stock in that company we may own!

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Scooter,
"my silence?"

Are you reading this thread?

Silent is something I am not.
Directed by people is another thing I am not so don't expect me to meet with your expectations.

Sometimes it is hard to hit a moving target.

You have missed totally the points I make.

Don't worry,
it happens on such a poor medium as this.

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[abiyah]

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godchild WROTE:
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif Whoops-a-daisy Ms. Hadden, but you've spelled my name incorrectly. : ) Here let me show you.... its actually spelled 'Christin' " )

'CHRIST' dwells 'IN' my heart. See that ?
Now with regard to me being a prophetess... Hmmmm ? No... but I do enjoy very much planting Seeds of Truth, in hopes that someone may receive The Truth of our Father's Word and put away the traditions which have been brought forth by man. And well... "IF" and that is "IF".... it be The LORD's Will for me,.... I will be more than happy to "stand in the gaps" even TODAY, of course on a much smaller scale, right HERE on the internet, as I qoute Truths which are Written within The Bible, TO FIGHT OFF the FALSE teachings/doctrines of those that have taught God's people, His children that they are going to fly away before the appearance of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, the desolator [Mark 13:14], that being THE false christ, which causes them to be misled. For as I believe I stated in the above post the subject of Ezekiel Chapter Thirteen is false teachers and there false doctrines, their lies ! As indeed The LORD our God is AGAINST, I repeat is AGAINST those that sew the false fly away doctrine =pillows which hunt the souls of His Children to MAKE THEM fly.

Abiyah [ http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif Ohhh but you Vivian may certainly call me Christin, for indeed that is my name ]</font>

[skooter942000]

satan's HISS is back.
- while he slithers on his FRONT
- using his FAV-Fellow accuser.



GOD will handle it.
- (As HE has before).




David,
- (i do consider you above the others here)
- meaning the Detractors.
- Especially Viv.

i am not happy with the RAPTuRE topic,
But that does not mean you are not in CHRIST,
- (NOW) -





Are those words TRUE ,
- (From foxy loxy).

"YES"
_or_
"NO"

- is he GOD'S ANOINTED ONE?


- that is all i am asking.

You keep wandering away from the simple Question.


-Do friends come first, (Over CHRIST)?



??????


1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your
hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an
answer to every man that asketh you a reason
of the hope that is in you with meekness and
fear:



Don <_*))><

[godchild]

Cast me not off in the time of old age; forsake me not when my strength faileth. For mine enemies speak against me; and they that lay wait for my soul take counsel together, saying, God hath forsaken him: persecute and take him; for there is none to deliver him. O God, be not far from me: O my God, make haste for my help. Let them be confounded and consumed that are adversaries to my soul; let them be covered with reprach and dishonour that seek my hurt.

Thank you, Lord Jesus. You are my strength and my salvation. In whom shall I fear. Amen

[smyrna]

All us SC folks have ever expected of anyone is to treat us with the same respect the detractors expect to be treated with.

It must always be rememberd that ALL of us SC students came here to defend their faith, not to go on the offensive towards anybody.

Watchman, who I have known for a few years before he referred me to Factnet, asked me to come and see what was going on.

Now, my problem with SC detractors is not differences in doctrine, because that is to be expected with over 28,000 different Christian assemblies.

But to take such a lofty and arrogant position that would lend oneself to accusing people of heresey (actually the true meaning is any teaching that goes against Catholic Church teachings i.e. dogma)and clearly unproven and unsubstantiated claims of racism and anti-semitism (the only "evidence" ever offered has been via the guilt by asociation scheme, even though NONE of the organizations have any ties to SC) and we also must remember that errant students of the SC are not the product of the SC itself, any more than pedophile priests are products of Catholic Church teachings.

So the detractors can keep ranting and raving, but unless they quit playing games, they will continue to look foolish, because lies, cowardice, and trickery will never allow anyone to take them serious except themselves.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Scooter,
I think that we both know that "The Anointed One" is Christ.

Understand this one thing.
My motivation is not the same as your's.
I do not allow other people to direct my path.
I have one that I follow and am unwilling to turn left or right from.

I do not role play.
I don't mind and am not bothered that others do.
What have I to do with that when I am not directed to it by the Lord?
Since he has not called me to that in any form,I have nothing to say about it except that it is role playing.You have to view it in that context or you end up making more out of it than it is.

You are trying so hard about something and my Spirit is wary of it.
I will listen to the Spirit and avoid what He is telling me to.
He is wisest.

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[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Scooter,
you said something that bothers me.
"David,
- (i do consider you above the others here)
- meaning the Detractors"
I thank you for the compliment truely but I refuse to be placed above anyone.
I am no better than a person who constantly insults or calls names.
I am certainly not better than anyone anywhere.

I really don't like to be thought of that way,It is troublesome to me that anyone would place me in a position above others for any reason.

I am like you and every one else.
Just a sinner saved by the grace and mercy of the Lord.

I put my pants on one leg at a time like every other man does.
There is nothing good in me apart from the Spirit of the Lord.

Thank you for the compliment again but I ask you not to speak of me as "better" than any one else please.

Peace in Christ

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[abiyah]

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David WROTE:
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QUOTE: " I am no better than a person who constantly insults or calls names.
I am certainly not better than anyone anywhere."
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The above stated quote is well said there David.. for indeed you have spoken truthfully with regard to yourself, for certainly you are no better than any one that insults or calls names. I do agree with you. And with regard to the rest of your above post No. 3910... I think that maybe you have taken that which Skooter spoke to you way, way out of context... Hmmmm ? Almost to the point that I found your above comments to be almost boastful, while at the same time you came across as though you were trying to be of a humble manner ? Perhaps I err, yet I was perplexed... as one second you are "thanking" Skooter for his discernment of you, which you defined as a "compliment", and in the same breath you rebuke him for his discernment of you. A compliment... ? Yet.. I'm not so sure that's what it was ? I found that comment as though he was simply spiritually discerning your mannerism in comparison to the detractors. </font><font color="ff0000"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"><font size="+1">

Matthew 5:5
"Blessed [= meaning happy] are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth."</font></font></font><font color="0000ff"><font face="times new roman,times,roman"></font>


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifAbiyah
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[godchild]

If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself; but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it. A foolish woman is clamorous; she is simple, and knoweth nothing.}

[skooter942000]

<font color="ff0000">From: GC</font>

If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself; but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it. A foolish woman is clamorous; she is simple, and knoweth nothing.}
--------------------------------

<font color="ff0000">- To GC -</font> (right)?



Vivian

You were probably pointed to those verses
for SELF-HELP. (So adhere to them)

- That is the HOLY SPIRIT (WORKING).




Posting scriptures to make your HATE show through.
- Is beyond silly.

They were for you to READ ,
- (Not USE FOR HURT)!!!



- Would CHRIST do such?




And David,

I was just noting you are not acting like an enemy.

Like GC and her hypocrite friends.

- that is all.


- Abiyah clearly understood this. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

- And was attacked by a BITTER SOUL for it.


GC did not share those Scriptures in LOVE.
- Anyone can GLEAN this FACT ,(here at FACT-NET).




Don <*))><

(Message edited by skooter942000 on March 29, 2007)

[godchild]

"What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."

[skooter942000]

All the world's a stage, and the men and women merely players.
~ William Shakespeare

<font color="0000ff">CLUCK ~ CLUCK</font>


RE: From GC
Posted at the CULT-ISH CB "SITE"

bruno. I hope you enjoy yourself here.
You will find that though we are diverse
(different denominations and some of no denomination),
<font color="808080">we respect each other and consider each a brother or sister</font>.

http://www.cultbusters.com.au/index.php?PHPSESSID=319cce466c6090c0ef77a9bcbd0cb7 d4&amp;topic=307.msg11292;topicseen#new

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- What a "HYPOCRITE"

The Attack of Abiyah alone (SHOWS HER TRUE COLORS). - against a Follower of CHRIST



Her fav color is <font color="ff0000">RED</font> , it seems.


But when she posts here,
- (Things are a bit different) , it seems.

- Nothing but her HATE , (Comes through).


(_Deplorable_)

- is a NEW WORD for the CBERS to MOCK.
- Since they snicker at the term, "DETRACTORS".


- Have BRUNO read your threads here DEAR!!!

No matter if you PAINT a HOUSE a NEW COLOR,
- The OLD PAINT is still underneath.
- (if it is not sanded down or removed completely)

- It will CRACK and PEEL , when it weathers,
- (And is TESTED against the ELEMENTS).



Now these verses are directed at you. GC
- Don't miss the LAST ONE.



Pro 9:12 If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise
for thyself: but [if] thou scornest,
thou alone shalt bear [it].


Pro 9:13 ¶ A foolish woman [is] clamorous:
[she is] simple, and knoweth nothing.


Pro 9:14 For she sitteth at the door of her
house, on a seat in the high places of the city,



Pro 9:15 To call passengers who go right on
their ways:


Pro 9:16 Whoso [is] simple, let him turn in
hither: and [as for] him that wanteth
understanding, she saith to him,


Pro 9:17 Stolen waters are sweet,
and bread [eaten] in secret is pleasant.


Pro 9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead
[are] there; [and that] her guests [are]
in the depths of hell.



[...Continuing]

Pro 10:1 ¶ The proverbs of Solomon.
A wise son maketh a glad father:
but a foolish son [is] the heaviness of his mother.


Pro 10:2 Treasures of wickedness profit nothing:
but righteousness delivereth from death.


Pro 10:3 The LORD will not suffer the soul of
the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the
substance of the wicked.



AMEN &amp; AMEN


BTW/ CB-ERS
- i do not hate any of you ,(just so you know)
- another word come to mind


<font color="ff6000">PITY</font>

[skooter942000]

-Ah, GC, - (Such angst), yet no remorse.



Who thinks of thyself, - a PROPHET ?




- (i have never CLAIMED THIS)http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif




Psa 73:28 But [it is] good for me to draw near
to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD,
that I may declare all thy works.

[oneway]

skooter,

With all the clever, witty sayings that you come up with, perhaps you should change your username to confusious942000 or even better yet, confusion942000 or if those don't work, maybe try JudgeJudy942000, since you love to pass judgement on others, as does Judge Judy, as if you both have the capability to judge fairly.

[godchild]

scooter, Your responses seem to be feminine. Are you female? I must agree with oneway. You do remind me of Judge Judy. The more you post the more your previous so-called Christian demeanor fades. All you scer's seem to be cut from the same cloth; sack! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/yawn.gif

[godchild]

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I wonder why scooter won't go to cultbusters and speak his mind with courage instead of hiding out here? Could it be he's really one of those who has already been banned. Should we add him to the list?

[ezekiel_37]

anyone at cb can come here if they wish.

We don't own this territory, and neither do you or your friends. It's called a level playing field.

Find Peace in Messiah
c

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Ok folks,
I misunderstood the "compliment".
My bad.

Scooter cleared it up,
"And David,
I was just noting you are not acting like an enemy."
---
I will tell you why I get nervous about anyone placing anyone else above another.
I have sat in a ministry that did place themsleves above others.
The end results where and are still disastrous to an individuals walk with God.
Much abuse arose from this practice and still does in that abberrent ministry as well as other ministries that practice such error.

I have always been unconfortable if I "percieved" that someone thought too highly of me.(that I was somehow better)
I have had this happen to me and I don't enjoy it because Christ is the only one better than any other.
The body of Christ is "One".
The source is "the same Spirit".
We each have our place.

I appologise for being a bit ,how do I put it,
"gun shy".
I hope you can understand my "reaction".

Abberent christian ministry,
www.carlstevens.org (http://www.carlstevens.org)
Here are the well documented problems with my former ministry.Very serious stuff.
This guy placed himself above God.

Peace in Christ's name.


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[skooter942000]

- SO ....this must be LOVE BOMBING.


<font color="ff0000">- Access (DENIED)
</font>


- i am a CHRIST-'man'.

Your hurtful (idiotic words), bounce off of me.
- And land straight back on you.

And to be honest (Your not hurting my feelings).
- Not at all http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif
- so good luck with that!!!



'i' serve a WINNER.



GC , - i am a MALE , (not FEMALE).

DON is my NAME , (You know this).
"Not" - DAWN (...or DONNA).


DONALD is my GOD GIVEN NAME.



GC you do not act like a Follower of CHRIST.

So who is pretending here?

You complain when i share Scriptures.
Call the MODERATORS on it.

Then you do the same thing (TO try and make a POINT).

That is a bit HYPOCRITICAL, (don't you think)?


I love the verses you share.

I know which ones are meant for me.
...and which ones are meant for you.

You seem confused on this.

Not that "that" is a SIN.
- But open your EYE LIDS.


I do not call you names.
Yet.............(you try to)


The only thing i claim ,(Is when someone has
Spoken out of TURN).
And Accused (or LIED) about me or others.


OINK OINK = (Your words of PASTOR)


You have (and continue), to accuse us all.
-And that is on your head alone.


If others join in ....

(Listen up RACHEL), since
this is pleasing to you......

(You will answer for this when GOD demands it).


Since you have a problem accusing me.
- For good reason.


You stoop (To this).

- How proud you make CHRIST.







CHRISTIANS do not say to other CHRISTIANS,
you are not in CHRIST.
- (Meaning you are not saved).

That is JUDGING. (Knowing a sentence is involved)
CHRIST is the door to SALVATION.
- NO CHRIST = NO ETERNAL LIFE...



What i do is discern.
- 'i' do not set a Sentence.

Unlike you. (through your ignorance)



- You are a bit dishonest. (in your postings)

- That is a SIN (your know)?

Do not bear FALSE WITNESS ...(ETC)


Can't tell the Difference here -(huh)?

Remove the BEAM, and then (perhaps you shall "SEE").

'i' said perhaps you may "SEE".


You may call yourself a CHRISTIAN.
I have never actually read that you have claimed this.....Openly



(But the fruit you share has satan's MO
all over it).

- That's a FACT!!!


A pretender is just that.
Then there is the REAL DEAL.


- Go Hiss somewhere Else.

- The messages from you ARE FALSE!!!
- Your intent is not to LOVE. (BUT CONDEMN)


Amo 8:11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord
GOD, that I will send a famine in the land,
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the LORD:


Amo 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to
sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of
the LORD, and shall not find [it].


Amo 8:13 In that day shall the fair virgins
and young men faint for thirst.


Amo 8:14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria,
and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner
of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall,
and never rise up again.

[skooter942000]

I am not welcome at CB.

That has been made quite clear...

I read this in an older posting...(Somewhere)
where you were condemning us....

Same old message
- Same old HATE.




You have already stated this FACT.
I don't go to the F-Tree and discuss you.

Yet you go to your BOARD and talk about us?
And take my messages (And TWIST THEM_),
= Um Rachel




----------------------------------
RE: from GC (VIVIAN)

I wonder why scooter won't go to cultbusters and speak his mind with courage instead of hiding out here? Could it be he's really one of those who has already been banned. Should we add him to the list?
-------------------------------------

I have never posted there. (At CB)
- Never been banned.

- This is the ONLY HANDLE i USE!!!


Making more , (WHAT IF Accusations).

- Prove me wrong MISS HAYDEN.


I am not wanted on that site.
I have no desire to JOIN.



What i want is for your FOOLISHNESS TO END.
Meaning all of your GROUP to stop with the LIES.
- On this listing.

Why talk about us there?



Just stop with the gossip and LIES ,
- (False ACCUSATIONS). Filled with HATE.

You hate us (And still cannot prove us wrong).

On any POINT.

we differ on 4 subjects (Approx).
And because we do (We are not in CHRIST),
so you say!!!

What a bunch of hooey


- Cluck Cluck (Said the chick to the HEN)

Your first attack on me was CHIRP CHIRP
When i first came here.

Shows the LOVE of CHRIST (Alright).


Ohh, wait (no it doesn't)

You have a 3rd grade mentality.
As do others.

[In Servitude]
If you don't walk with us,
(If your not In our GROUP)
(You must be against us)!!!


Is this what CHRIST teaches?


Need the scriptures....
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif- Find them yourself.



- But here are a few that should help here.


3Jo 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember
his deeds which he doeth, prating against us
with malicious words: and not content therewith,
neither doth he himself receive the brethren,
and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth
[them] out of the church.


3Jo 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is
evil, but that which is good. He that doeth
good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath
not seen God.


Don <*))><

[skooter942000]

Smyrna ,

(just stick this one on that THREAD of you are
creating of LIES and HATE from the DETRACTORS).



Our own words "condemn us"...


They are FUEL for the FIRE , (on JUDGMENT DAY).


If our works are STUBBLE , (They shall burn-away).
IF they are GOLD , (they shall not melt &amp; BUT ENDURE).
= "GOOD WORKS"

She will have much to answer for ,
- (When that DAY arrives_)

Technically , (We all WILL).
The FLESH just falls short (OF YAH'S GLORY).

None of us here (IS A PERFECT BEING).
- Unless one just REPENTED (PROPERLY).

- (And that may last for a few moments),
- until the NEXT SHORTCOMING takes place.
(Hopefully it never occurs)


\_BUT_/


- "OUR" [good works] can cover over a multitude of SIN(s).



We are known by our FRUIT.

- Her fruit , (is easy to SEE).




MATT 25 (Is TRUE).


OIL is FUEL for the LAMP

The numbers used [2_5_10]

2 is WITNESS
5 is GRACE
10 is The LAW

Five find GRACE (And OVERCOME)
- because they keep GOD'S LAWS.

While five do not!!!

That is a GOOD WITNESS for what (lies) ahead
for us all.

Some shall overcome,
- While others will not!!!



No Fuel = No LIGHT
...And CHRIST is "THE LIGHT".




The POINT of MATT 25 is this.......

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all
nations: and he shall separate them one from
another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep
from the goats:



Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his
right hand, but the goats on the left.

Sheep on the RIGHT
GOATS on the LEFT

|
|
V

[...Skipping to verse forty-one]

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on
the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into
everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and
his angels:

|
|
V

[...skipping to verse forty-six]


Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting
punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



The LEFT are just not RIGHT,
- Nor can they BE.



Added NOTE:

GOATS will eat most anything.

SHEEP have a steady diet.
&amp; (They listen to their SHEPHERD)/I.E. "JESUS CHRIST"

(http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif)


Doulos Don <*))><