Pistol packing preachers [Archive]

skooter942000

01-24-2007, 04:15 AM

_A_C_C_U_S_E_R_S_


http://crime.about.com/od/guns/f/gunlaw_ar.htm

- Was a LAW Broken?

Um , then there was silence

Do people desire to KILL the POPE. (Y/N)?

Do his people protect him? (Y/N)

Do they carry Fire-arms?
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article57829.ece

People have the right to defend themselves
in this Nation. (T/F)

"LAWFULLY" - as required by each state. (T/F)?

Did Pastor Murray FIRE his Side-arm?

Who was the man?
Has this occurred before?
Was he armed? -(This other entity)
Did he receive threats beforehand?
Has he ever received threats before?

- i know many of these answers,
- how about you?

Do you feel silly for posting this?

- without knowing any FACTS,
- other than a minute or so, of footage?

When CHRIST walked the EARTH,
Did the Disciples carry ARMS?

- (PETER CARRIED A SWORD).

- he even used it & Lobbed off an ear.

- Guess as to why Peter Carried a Sword.

Why does Pastor Murray carry a GUN.
Why does the POPE hide beind Bullet-Proof glass.

- Because of people like ...
- (Um, anyone have a mirror handy)

Pro 1:7
The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning
of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and
instruction. 

Light Dispels the DARKNESS
- Alway has, always will.


Pro 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of
the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:

Pro 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth;
even as a father the son [in whom] he delighteth.


"satan is the Accuser"
- That's His job!!!

(you're fired) - Pun intendedhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Don <*))><

bluewater2

01-24-2007, 04:20 AM

The fact that these morons are so afraid of death, including the silly pope, is evidence to their lack of belief that when they die they will end up in heaven at the right hand of jesus.

godchild

01-24-2007, 08:39 AM

Go ahead and hate a stranger,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Jesus,
You can justify it in the end.

And the bloody morning after,
one tin soldier rides away.

smyrna

01-24-2007, 03:57 PM

I guess according to the mentality exhibited by Godchild & co. Peter didn't even have a right to have a sword in the garden of Gethsemane, much less pull it out when the soldiers arrested Jesus.

The issue is not that Jesus told him to put it down, the issue is that Pater had one in the first place, which I am sure Jesus knew he had all along.

In addition, according the mentality of Godchild & co. Jesus Himself had no right when He fashioned a whip and physically chased the money changers out of the Temple.

And to top it off, according to Godchild and her cohorts on CB who are now denying the existence of satan, God the Father had no right to use His own people against the enemies of Israel, in the countless battles that are chronicled in the Old Testament.

No, according to the puerile mentality of the detractors, no one has a right to defend themselves,no one has a right to bear arms.

Maybe Godchild & co. can stop using seatbelts, or burglar arams, and tell their local police to throw away their weapons. Because if they believe,God will just stop any threats with bolts of ligtning or something.

Their overly simplistic and unrealistic view of the world has left them blind to reality.

Now for my song:

Onward Christian Soldliers,
marching as to war,
with the Cross of Jesus,
going on before...

I wonder how the "theologians" at CB interpret the words of Jesus in Matthew 10:34:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

bluewater2

01-24-2007, 05:03 PM

I guess if you use the bible as the holder of your truth, you can find a point of view to justify every point of view. AS for Matthew 10:34, I would suspect that is one of George Bush's favorites. Using the bible to justify behavior is like believing the visions of Joseph Smith as being real.

godchild

01-24-2007, 07:27 PM

Don't you know? A sword "divides", separating the truth from the lies. It means judicial punishment. Not one time did Jesus tell his disciples or anyone else to use a sword against their enemies. Jesus said to love your enemies, love one another.

Why do you think Jesus used the word "send" and not "bring"? The word send means to admonish, warn, teach; to shine, send out light. Once again, He was not advocating violence. satan advocates violence by saying to you, "Use the sword on your enemies. Or, you have every right to use the sword, so don't apologise for it. Or "take a 9mm to that boy!"

The verses following tell us we must love Him (God) first, above even family. His truths do "divide" families; not because He doesn't want us to love one another (God is Love), but because we are unable to separate "self" from "sacrifice" or "serve others", which is what His example to us was. A true believer must be willing to give up all we have (even those we love) to follow Him, if they refuse Him.

godchild

01-24-2007, 07:41 PM

Swords were not carried only as a weapon for defense. They were a tool; cutting (stone). You need to remember (1) God didn't create us as little gods (2) Jesus didn't turn His disciples into little gods; they were still ordinary human beings, with all the foibles and follies of all men. In other words, they sinned just like the rest of us. One sold Him. One denied Him three times. Even when He was resurrected, one doubted Him.

ihavesinned

01-24-2007, 08:36 PM

If you listen, you can hear the intruder in the studio say "blasphemy" so clearly he disagreed with something in Arnolds sermon.

It's still rather amusing that he pulled a pistol in response. Maybe he should have just chopped the guy's ear off with a sword - if it's good enough for Peter...

Bluewater makes a good point- the faithful should be itching to die, since the afterlife is going to be such a treat. Sunday drivers should all exceed the speed limit.

If church gets any more "Reservoir Dogs" I'll have to start going. I wonder if I can bring my own pistol- celebratory gunfire in the choir, I'd make it the church for that!

How 'bout Murray's combover anyway? I know he's no Benny Hinn, but it's a start...

cybermom

01-24-2007, 10:13 PM

Can anyone say "Concealed weapon??" That's a felony where I come from.

dodge

01-24-2007, 10:22 PM

Not to mention the fact that it's very suspicious for a pastor to have a gun in his briefcase while filming a church service. I guess Murray speaks the word of God...and that language consists of 9mm words.

cybermom

01-24-2007, 10:28 PM

My former cult leader was extremely paranoid. He had security cameras installed everywhere, even tho they are a very small, little known group. And they now tape all meetings - I think for security, not because their garbage is in such high demand. He always felt the cops were after him; but knowing the sin he was involved in, they MIGHT have been http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif. But it showed me that if there's stuff you're afraid will leak out, then you're always gonna be afraid.

skooter942000

01-24-2007, 11:16 PM

gc (And all)

The LAKE of FIRE...... (Rev 20)

GOD will destroy those who stand against HIM.

- (Is HE Wrong to do so)?

- Will you stand in JUDGMENT,
[ AGAINST THE MOST HIGH ] ???

ONLY THE WICKED SHALL BE DESTROYED.
(do any here fit into this category)?

- Do any here , (REALLY HATE GOD)?

Not being sure HE exists, (Does not FIT).

- There is a TYPE of INNOCENCE here.
- (not that this makes you exempt)

- *IF* you "MOCK" (HIM) without a CAUSE.
- (because HE certainly DOES EXIST).

- This will be dealt with.

- With LOVE comes Correction.

Wait and Seehttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd020.html#top

NOTE THESE VERSES-
(For those who should know better)


Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come
into this world, that they which see not might
see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Jhn 9:40 And [some] of the Pharisees which
were with him heard these words, and said unto
him, Are we blind also?

Jhn 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were
blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say,
We see; therefore your sin remaineth. 
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif

CHRIST wants to SAVE US ALL.
(All Who are BORN of WOMAN into this AGE)

It is up to us to accept HIS SALVATION.
- (With HIS RULES)

- If we do, ("we" SHALL LIVE).
(*IF* _'we'_ "KEEP" - HIS WAYS)


Psa 68:1 ¶ [[To the chief Musician,
A Psalm [or] Song of David.]]
Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered:
let them also that hate him flee before him.

Psa 68:2 As smoke is driven away, [so] drive
[them] away: as wax melteth before the fire,
[so] let the wicked perish at the presence of
God.

Psa 68:3 But let the righteous be glad;
let them rejoice before God: yea,
let them exceedingly rejoice.

Psa 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name:
extol him that rideth upon the heavens
by his name YAH, and rejoice before him.

Psa 68:5 A father of the fatherless,
and a judge of the widows, [is] God
in his holy habitation.




Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish,
and the enemies of the LORD
[shall be] as the fat of lambs:
they shall consume;
into smoke shall they consume away.

Psa 37:21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth
not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy,
and giveth.

Psa 37:22 For [such as be] blessed of him
shall inherit the earth;
and [they that be] cursed of him
shall be cut off.

Psa 37:23 The steps of a [good] man
are ordered by the LORD:
and he delighteth in his way.

Psa 37:24 Though he fall, he shall not
be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth
[him with] his hand.

ihavesinned

01-25-2007, 12:44 AM

"•••••••• what a brother gotta do To get a message through
To the red white and blue What? I gotta die?
Before you realize I was a brother with open eyes The world's insane While you drink champagne
And I'm livin' in black rain You try
to ban the A.K. I got ten of 'em stashed With a
case of hand grenades "
-Ice T

godchild

01-25-2007, 01:55 AM

scooter,
That's all fine and dandy. But for your information arnold murray is not God, (Jesus Christ).This post is about am pulling out a gun and telling his goons to shoot a man.

It is you and your fellows who should be studying very carefully the verses you love to share. Then read the ones about false teachers and what will happen to them.

getagrip

01-25-2007, 02:28 AM

Ihavesinned... I have a quick question for you at aabearlaw@yahoo.com.

Thank you.

dodge

01-25-2007, 02:36 AM

I think Skooter went into one of his Bible-Channeling episodes, as he is apt to do at times. Often it has nothing to do with the subject of the thread, as in the case above where he spammed all those verses, and talked about the Lake of Fire and Salvation...which has little to do with the subject here, Arnold Murray bringing a gun with him during a taping of one of his Bible study shows. Actually, it sounds like he's saying that if we are critical towards Murray we will end up in the Lake of Fire...or shot with a handgun.

Then there is Smyrna, who came in to defend Murray, as is his job morning, afternoon and night; telling us all that Murray has a right to carry a gun and how Jesus himself had a hard time controlling his temper and turned over tables and fashioned a whip to hit people, and how Peter had a sword. They sound very militant. I can see them marching down the street, singing "Onward Christian Soldiers," with a 9mm in their hands, out to defend Arnold Murray against "detractors." This is a frightening cult.

bluewater2

01-25-2007, 04:35 AM

They are probably very sad that "Jesus Camp" got closed down.

godchild

01-25-2007, 06:31 PM

quote:
They sound very militant. I can see them marching down the street, singing "Onward Christian Soldiers," with a 9mm in their hands, out to defend Arnold Murray against "detractors." This is a frightening cult.-end

dodge, That is the very reason I think it is so very important to continually expose them. It's no fun dealing with their rude, obnoxious, arrogant responses, believe me. Remember, the KKK started out as a social club without racial motivation. Hitler started with a promise to hungry people to "put a chicken in every pot". Even Charlie Manson pushed "love, free love."

smyrna

01-25-2007, 06:50 PM

Ihavesinned wrote: If you listen, you can hear the intruder in the studio say "blasphemy" so clearly he disagreed with something in Arnolds sermon.

"It's still rather amusing that he pulled a pistol in response. Maybe he should have just chopped the guy's ear off with a sword - if it's good enough for Peter"...

What is more amusing is Godchild's absolutely stupid post. So stuypid, I'm just going to withhold any further comment.

As for Ihavesinned, sarcasm only diverts from the truth of the matter.

That whack job may heve had a disagreement with Pastor Murray, but Ihavesinned aparently think it is quite alright to cause a deliberate disturbance during a live TV broadcast, and to cause a scuffle when being led out of the building.

Maybe Ihavesinned can try and invade the FOX TV studios, and try and disturb the live news telecasts there, and see who shows up, with weapons, may I add, to escort him out of the building, especially if he will not leave quietly, but ranting and raving like a maniac.

There are a heck of a lot of people that must be wrong, for Godchild, Ihavesinned, and the other sicko detractors to be right on this issue:

The Pope, Billy Graham,Pat Robertson, etc, all must be cult leaders, because they have security working for them.

Anyone who carries a gun is without faith and a criminal, even law enforcement, because to the detractors, we shouldn't need any security.

(By the way, to the idiot who mentioned concealed weapons:many states allow trained individuals outside law enforcement to carry them. Arkansas is one of them)

Peter must have just been cutting butter with his sword before he cut off the soldier's ear.

getagrip

01-25-2007, 06:52 PM

Ihavesinned... I have a quick question for you at aabearlaw@yahoo.com.

Thank you.

rachelengland

01-25-2007, 08:30 PM

IHS great thread you started!!!!

IHS fortunately for me I have a direct line to you and I have contacted you there...Please let me know what you think!!! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

Take Care R... Oh and IHS when you go to youtube search for the chinese backstreet boys and check out their version of-I want it my way-you'll love it

dodge

01-26-2007, 12:10 AM

Smyrna, you seem to think that the only response to hecklers is to pull out a lethal weapon, like the 9mm that Murray had; just because someone in the audience yelled out “Blasphemy.” Don't you think there are other ways to handle disrupting people other than pulling out a gun? I think it’s interesting that you think that lethal force should be used against those who disagree with Murray. The fact that you consistently talk about Jesus using violence, and some of his apostles having weapons, leads me to believe that followers of Arnold Murray are ready to use lethal force whenever confronted with detractors. Are you all packing handguns under your Bible?

cybermom

01-26-2007, 12:45 AM

That's a loaded question, Dodge. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

sharon

01-26-2007, 12:56 AM

A Gun? What happened to trust in the Lord? Does this man not have faith in the strength of his Father? What is going on? I really thought this was just a biblical thing but this is a matter of faith.
I can not imagine Jesus whipping out a gun. Why would a man of God need a gun to protect him, does he not have any faith in his Father at all?

Sorry Franklin I thought this was just a man who was confused on a few points of the bible, as many are. But you were right he is more than that. Guess I shall watch my words closer now as you were right all along.

cybermom

01-26-2007, 01:01 AM

Not to be paranoid, but "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - remember Waco? Altho I don't feel the Davidians were the ones resposible for that tragedy/fiasco, they WERE armed. So were the people of Jonestown. Don't be surprised at the extremes to which a deceived and determined leader will take his followers. This isn't meant to instill fear, just to open eyes to a sad reality.

yaqakallah

01-26-2007, 01:04 AM

yes, not only ARK but MS as well. The big city crime has moved into the Southern Sates and many laws have been passed for citizens not only to carry loadsed arms in their homes and vehicles..ie MS(this has always been on the bookis for as long as I can remember) but any citizen in MS without a Feloney conviction for $100 can carry a concealed weapon on their person. And MS recently passed a bill making lawful for those who are victims of carjacking to use a loaded weapon..ie kill the criminal before he kills you!!!!

Wake up people, the Govt is taking your right to bear arms away from you!!! When that happens you know what happens next, don't you!?!

yaqakallah

01-26-2007, 01:13 AM

PS...It's appears to me(after watching the video, I first posted about this when I heard the video...BIG difference) that PM's 'goons' as their were previously called, did not have weapons on them. PM had served in the Korean War, a War Hero....remember?

I imagine the last place he expected that kind of behavior(A real threat to his life and the life of others present) was sitting before a camera preaching the Good News to the World.

Come on people, if you had ever served in war and had people tring to kill you I seriously doubt you would not have a gun handy 24/7 for the rest of your life. Look around, the criminals are WINNING!!!!!

angie0401

01-26-2007, 01:22 AM

sharon,
Do you think that there is ANY church you could walk into, start yelling "Blasphemy", attempt to head toward the pastor and then expect a big hug? Of course not - that's ridiculous and you know it.

By the way - don't you support PETA?

dodge

01-26-2007, 01:25 AM

"Yaqakallah," how is someone yelling "blasphemy" a threat to Pastor Murray's life? Don't you find it odd that he was carrying a 9mm handgun in his briefcase, close to the desk where he was taping a Bible study lesson? Just because someone fought in a war, it doesn't mean they will carry a weapon around with them for the rest of their lives. I served in the U.S. Army between 1966 and 1970; and have not fired a weapon since. Do you really believe that all "war heroes" carry guns around with them wherever they go? Have you lost your reason in your need to defend Arnold Murray?

yaqakallah

01-26-2007, 03:27 AM

Dodge,

I am a Southern, same as PM. I know how 'we Southerners' think. Carrying weapons has always been common place.Sorry, but you are arguing with the wrong person here.

PS....I don't carry a loaded, nor unloaded gun...ANYMORE!!!!

bluewater2

01-26-2007, 03:32 AM

Murray is an idiot, plain and simple. The fact that he gets so excited that he has to pull out a gun shows his lack of discipline and paranoia. Anyone who defends his behavior is blind and weak.

angie0401

01-26-2007, 03:52 AM

cybermom
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Username: cybermom

Post Number: 687
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Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 7:01 pm:

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Not to be paranoid, but "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - remember Waco? Altho I don't feel the Davidians were the ones resposible for that tragedy/fiasco, they WERE armed. So were the people of Jonestown. Don't be surprised at the extremes to which a deceived and determined leader will take his followers. This isn't meant to instill fear, just to open eyes to a sad reality.

UMM...cybermom do you even KNOW anything about the SC?

First of all - we don't "follow" anyone but Jesus Christ. No one on here answers to Pastor Murray and most have never spoken to him in person, if at all.

Second - there is no "membership" required - all you need is a tv to listen to SC. Pastor Murray does have a church (with a real building and everything!), but most of the SC listeners/students have never had the opportunity to visit there.

Third - we live all over the US and all over the world, so I think trying to link us or compare us to something like the Branch Davidians or Jonestown.

I realize there are lots of cults, with lots of people that have been harmed by cults, but you will find neither on the SC threads. There is no definition of a cult that can be twisted to make SC a cult. If you will read through these threads, you will see that there are no "ex-members", much less anyone who has been harmed by their involvement with the SC. The only thing you will see here are those that disagree with some of the SC doctrines and have made it their galactic space mission to destroy us.

dodge

01-26-2007, 04:00 AM

I agree with you, Blue. Anyone who defends Pastor Murray for pulling out a gun just because a heckler shouted out "blasphemy" is of questionable intelligence. The fact that they do demonstrates the cult-like nature of Shepherds Chapel. Since FactNet is here to expose cults, I think that it is our duty to point in the direction of Arnold Murray and his followers as examples of what cults do to people. These people are very strange, and potentially dangerous because of their advocacy of violence. It is good that we keep an eye on them.

angie0401

01-26-2007, 04:13 AM

What, no vulgar lyrics tonight Dodge?

bluewater2

01-26-2007, 04:22 AM

I never said you follow pastor murray, but that there are those that defend his behavior. Do you, Angie, defend his behavior with the gun thing?

angie0401

01-26-2007, 04:49 AM

Blue,
I wasn't implying that you said we follow Pastor Murray. I was addressing cybermom who said:
Don't be surprised at the extremes to which a deceived and determined leader will take his followers. .

To answer your question:

1.) I never saw a gun - only a threat of one. I've done the same thing (threatened to pull a gun even though I didn't have one) when I was alone and had an intruder trespass.

2.) I do support anyone's right to defend themselves against an intruder or someone who means to do them harm.

3.) I do not know what else happened. Did the man have a gun, did they think he had one, was he threatening violence? A short clip is not enough evidence to endorse or condemn someone's actions.

4.) If Pastor Murray (or anyone else, for that matter) had used extreme measures (when more peaceable measures would have sufficed) and harmed another person, yes I would have a problem with it.

5.) If someone comes into my church and yells "Blasphemy" at my pastor, you better believe they will be in a world of hurt. We have had more than one break-in and will utilize our right to defend ourselves and our property.

I hope that answers your question.

cybermom

01-26-2007, 04:49 AM

angie

I wasn't posting to debate doctrine. I was posting regarding his possession of a concealed weapon and his readiness to see it used. I've seen enough of this doctrinal debate to satisfy me for the rest of my life. And before you ask or imply, no I am not a member of the Galactic Conspiracy (Lunacy?). I simply believe that any fringe group that advocates the use of weapons is dangerous, no matter what their doctrine.

bluewater2

01-26-2007, 04:52 AM

Yes, you defend his irrational behavior. Thank you.

cybermom

01-26-2007, 05:05 AM

We've had some strange experiences in churches I've attended, and NO ONE has ever brought a weapon to church for defense. Sorry, the place where I live is civilized; no "good old boys" mentality here. We believe here that one should abide by the law and not take it into one's own hands; if you do or carry a concealed weapon, you go to jail. Period.
If my pastor EVER showed up in church with a weapon, we'd leave and not return.

We have a weapon because my husband is in law enforcement. Do we take it to church? NO, that would be blasphemous to us. We don't bring it ANYWHERE. We know we have a God who protects us and have faith in Him and His will for us. That's good enough protection for us.

angie0401

01-26-2007, 05:05 AM

I wasn't posting to debate doctrine. I was posting regarding his possession of a concealed weapon and his readiness to see it used. I've seen enough of this doctrinal debate to satisfy me for the rest of my life. And before you ask or imply, no I am not a member of the Galactic Conspiracy (Lunacy?). I simply believe that any fringe group that advocates the use of weapons is dangerous, no matter what their doctrine.

My reply to you was because I am SO sick of this cult word being thrown around (not just by you) about every single group that one might not agree with. There is a thread for every single denomination and belief system on this board - the Catholic Church, the Baptist Church, Methodist, Buddhists, Atheist, Evolutionists. I guess the easier question is what is NOT a cult?

Now you come back calling SC a "fringe group" that "advocates the use of weapons".
I attend a local Baptist church and I guarantee you every single person there owns at least one gun and will not hesitate to use it if they feel their lives or those of others are threatened. Does that make us a dangerous fringe group also?

DISAGREEING WITH SOMEONE'S DOCTRINE DOES NOT A CULT (OR FRINGE GROUP) MAKE.

cybermom

01-26-2007, 05:11 AM

A cult is a cult is a cult. I've seen enough of this stupid debate to make up my own mind.

YES, you are in my opinion a fringe group that advocates the use of weapons. Read your own posts. Every one has guns and will use them. What the heck is that??

I know I'm trying to have a rational conversation with irrational people so I'm through. You can all slap each other on the back, spit some tobaccy juice, set a spell and take your shoes off. In the words of Carole King "you can't talk to a man with a shotgun in his hand" or "when he don't wanna understand."

Bye!

angie0401

01-26-2007, 05:33 AM

YES, you are in my opinion a fringe group that advocates the use of weapons. Read your own posts. Every one has guns and will use them. What the heck is that??

Who is a fringe group - my local Baptist church that I was talking about? Will they kick us out of the Baptist Association?

angie0401

01-26-2007, 06:33 AM

IHS -
Need to talk to you off the board can you email me at:
formitch_gtp@yahoo.com ?

david_munson

01-26-2007, 03:38 PM

Why is it that anti gunners are always out of the correct information loop?
Outlaw cars,they kill more people than any other "tool".

Guns are not the problem.

Did AM have the guy shot?
No.

He was removed from the building as he should have been for being disruptive.
Would I have threatened him with a firearm?
No but I would have had my helpers remove him immediately.

He could have been a little more discreet in his method but he did have the right to have the guy removed as a disruption.

Unless there was the percieved threat of bodily harm,there was no reason to even mention the firearm at all.

It's a step up process before you pull a defensive weapon on a threatening person.
You can't just pull it out because of a verbal disruption.

As I do not know the facts of this situation,I am only commenting on proper use of defensive tactics.

Guns are a tool.
Tools must be used properly by reasonable people.

IMHO only,
Dave
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getagrip

01-26-2007, 05:34 PM

"As I do not know the facts of this situation,I am only commenting on proper use of defensive tactics."

Agree, wholeheartedly. It's not like Preachers HAVEN'T been attacked at the pulpit. Of course, they're ALWAYS supposed to turn the other cheek.

The MOST THANKLESS JOB in the world, IMHO.

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_327165954.html

getagrip

01-26-2007, 05:36 PM

btw.. Thanks for the "offline" note, what a tangled web of lies and misinformation. Unbelievable, but NOT surprising.

bluewater2

01-26-2007, 05:41 PM

Any reasonable person can see Arnolds demeanor and his loss of control to see that he is the last person that should have access to a weapon. You know what I mean? Did you see how he was acting and how he kind of lost it?

smyrna

01-26-2007, 06:53 PM

Angie: Excellent post.

Cybermom: I thought you said you'd never come back to this "cesspool" so much for resolve.

Bluewater: Is all wet.

bluewater2

01-26-2007, 08:14 PM

You may think I am all wet, which is fine, because I love the water, but that doesn't change the fact that your friend arnold looked like a scared little wimp when he lost his cool. Certainly not like a guy who should be trusted with a weapon.

godchild

01-26-2007, 09:23 PM

smyrna,
You said you weren't coming back after the first few times you posted here. So you can stop using that against others. People have the right to change their minds. Especially, when they see some bone-head rascist insulting them and others.

You said you came here to defend am. Well, defend him if you can (so far you've done a really pathetic job of that, attacking the messengers instead of the messages). No little wimp like you is going to stop freedom of speech or the press.

I have to vote for smyrna, watchman, ang, kim, abi, scooter as being "all wet"; they are bottom-feeders, as far as study of, and understanding of the Holy Bible's message.

godchild

01-26-2007, 10:02 PM

This is the discussion when yaqakallah, a.k.a. kim f. brought up this discussion on another thread:

kimberlyfredrick
New member
Username: kimberlyfredrick
Smyrna, why must you be so mean? I really do not understand you. The gun which I owned at the age of 3 was a family heirlom which was not given to me to play with. It in fact was a collectors piece which had never been shot. Why the belittling remarks to me and now to my parents? Why can't you give me a break and show some brotherly love? I am not your enemy and I don't wish you to be mine. Can we please be respectful of one another? I would like to call you friend.

smyrna
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 1:22 pm:

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Look Kimberly, I'm not being mean, that is only your perception. But at the same time I don't pussyfoot around with people that are not making sense to me.
Maybe you are not acclimated to online discussions. It is a limited medium, we don't have the luxury of being able to hear voice inflections or see facial expressions on these boards.
I have a problem with the way this incident with Pator Murray was presented, as if he doesn't have the right to take steps to protect himself from whackos and nutcases.
As I said before, if I was Pastor Murray, I would beef up my security just based on reading the stuff that has been said about him here at Factnet.
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also from smyrna
Don't try blaming that on the gun incident. Because Murray has said on many occasions that if someone were to walk up to you on the street, and punched you in the nose, you have a right to defend yourself. He also said that if soemone breaks into you house that you and your friends, "Smith and Wesson" should take care of him.
Don't try blaming that on the gun incident. Because Murray has said on many occasions that if someone were to walk up to you on the street, and punched you in the nose, you have a right to defend yourself. He also said that if soemone breaks into you house that you and your friends, "Smith and Wesson" should take care of him.
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No "turning the other cheek" for this man or his students. How quickly they change their tune in order to make friends.
Vivian

yaqakallah

01-26-2007, 10:18 PM

What on earth is she up to now? Proving that SC students show brotherly love to one another when the true intentions of another which disputes PM is not to harm but heal???

Hey Smyrna, Thank you from the bottom of my hearet for being a good friend to me on and off this FN nuthouse!

Folks, proof again, SC students have real heart to those of opposing views and beleifs when the 'truth of intent' from those, like myself share and disagree on Doctrines and views and opnions.

Try it sometime, Godchild, it feels good to love and be loved!!!

kimberlyfredrick AKA YaqaKallah

Smyrna is my brother in Christ! END QUOTE!!!

yaqakallah

01-26-2007, 10:25 PM

PS...YES!!! You are trying to be mean and stir up trouble at my door were peace has been laid!!!

yaqakallah

01-26-2007, 10:30 PM

YIKES!!! She forgot she posted that mess and reposted it again after mine above!!!

Post #4393 and 4394 are identical!!!(just in case anyone missed it and she deleted it)

Everyone, really, she needs prayer...

godchild

01-26-2007, 10:31 PM

Calm down, kim. I was showing smyrna's hypocrisy more than your childishness. Being childish isn't a sin.

yaqakallah

01-26-2007, 10:32 PM

YEAH....She noticed and deleted it. Poor thing...

bluewater2

01-27-2007, 12:21 AM

Back on topic here, didn't Arnold look a little unstable and out of control in that video as he went fumbling for his weapon? I mean, you would think that someone with the grace of god within him would be a little more in control of his emotions. Should someone that is that unstable have access to a weapon?

smyrna

01-27-2007, 03:00 AM

Bluewater is obviously struggling to make Pastor Murray look bad. No, he looked completely in control. Much more in control than someone like Bluewater, who is not maintaining much of an objective view when "analyzing" this situation.

The whacko who invaded the studio at that point was was fighting with the studio staff, who were trying to get him to leave peacefully.

No one, but no one, actually saw Pastor Murray with a gun, which certainly means he could have been bluffing. This also leaves open the possibility that he was intentionally hestitating to give the assailant time to recognize that he was in over his head, and to calm down.

Since the detractors are so into speculation, I am here adding my own.

As for Whackchild, YES, we ARE entitled to defend ourselves and our loved ones.

And if she doesn't like it, she can leave her doors open at night, her keys in her car, and all of her money on her front porch.

bluewater2

01-27-2007, 04:22 AM

Arny Murray makes himself look bad, like most "preacher personalities" on the tv. And he did not look in control and anyone who views that and can honestly say he does probably things that snakes have peni$e$ that are capable of impregnating a woman.

godchild

01-27-2007, 06:32 AM

blue, according to some scer's it could have been the tree (instead of the snake). http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

fullofquestions

01-27-2007, 07:46 AM

Turn the other cheek or something like that.

smyrna

01-27-2007, 11:52 AM

Well, Bluewater and I will have to agree to disagree on whether Pastor Murray was in control of a situation or not.
The fact remains is that we all have a right to protect and defend ourselves, and that this is even an issue, shows how zealous the detractors are, and how ignorant they are.

What I will say, is that I am still waiting evidnce from her that myself and Watchman have recently communicated at FactNet with a personality by the name of John Cody.

In addition, I find it highly amusing that Godchild scoffs and laughs at any representation or interpretation of the allegory in Genesis involving the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and/or the tree of life, while at the same time her and her CB cohorts are doubting the existence of satan.

On top of that, she also apparently agrees with something she probably knows little about: the Documenatry Hypothesis. Because her newest teacher, "illogical_al" posted a partial explanantion of this theory on the CB thread where they are denying the existence of satan.

Not to be outdone, Godchild herself deliberately casted doubt on the Virgin birth, misusing the words of the Virgin herself, and yet she is so out of control, she laughs and remains ignorant of so many other portions of Scripture.

And because of that, we always have the last laugh.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

yaqakallah

01-27-2007, 04:09 PM

"As for Whackchild, YES, we ARE entitled to defend ourselves and our loved ones.

And if she doesn't like it, she can leave her doors open at night, her keys in her car, and all of her money on her front porch."

I'm sorry, but when I reade this I cracked up!!!

Smyrna, your a hoot!

arron

01-27-2007, 04:19 PM

could we all just for a moment stop argueing and pray for my grandson who is in irag .. bagdad.. we saw videos of him and he was in the midst of the fighting. he was carrying a big gun of some kind and they were shooting at him and the others please pray as never before

terluvire

01-27-2007, 04:21 PM

HI Arron,

I just read this over at CB and I already said a prayer for him. I pray that God surrounds him with protection and that your family is comforted by God's peace. In Jesus' name...Amen.

yaqakallah

01-27-2007, 04:33 PM

Arron,

Absolutely...just did! I will continue to pray for him, your family and all the lives at stake on both sides of this awful mess called war.

arron

01-27-2007, 05:03 PM

i am so worried about him i am sick my stomach is doing flip flops and i am shaking all inide. i saw a video of him which i wish now i had not seen the fighting is so bad there. three of our soldiers who had bee aptured were killed handcuffed and a fourth is about to die from a head wound.. he ws handcuffed too. all this is where my grandson is at in bagdad.. a hell hole of the hellish iragians

terluvire

01-27-2007, 05:05 PM

My heart goes out to you Arron. I am keeping you and your grandson in heavy prayer.

Trust God.

skooter942000

01-28-2007, 04:18 AM

Prayers are usually sent regularly for those
in HARMS-WAY.

(Meaning those protecting our rights and freedoms here in this nation).
- Or "FOR THIS NATION, ABROAD".

There are many ways to SERVE GOD. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif
Serving in the Military, (is one way).

- Hang in there Arron.

Don <*))><

bluewater2

01-28-2007, 04:49 AM

If Bush is god, skooter, then you are right, since this is an uneccessary war that has been waged needlessly and at Bushies pleasure.

smyrna

01-28-2007, 11:38 AM

Maybe Bluewater would have wanted us to wait until Iraq was able to get a nuclear weapon and launched it at Israel or whoever, and then do something about it. I also wonder where all these anti-war critics were when Clinton invaded Kosovo.

Maybe we should just dismantle the military, and send John Kerry or one of our Hollywood Liberals to "negotiate" with Al-Qaeda.

ARRON: I certainly am praying for your grandson's safety as well as all those over there.

franklin

01-28-2007, 01:41 PM

I agree with you there smyrna.

I too am praying for arron's grandson safety as well as all those other Americans and peaceful, freedom loving Iraqis over there.

bluewater2

01-28-2007, 04:40 PM

I love the military and am amazed at the technology. I just think that the smarter way would have been to continue to allow the weapons inspectors to wander around in there, for the next 20 years if need be. Much cheaper, much less death, and America would not have wasted all of it's post 911 sympathy on a misquided mission in Iraq. There are smarter ways to do things in this environment. It has been my opinion since the beginning and the results are confirming my opinions. If we were to "pre-emptively" strike every country that might not like us that is seeking nuclear weapons, that group of countries is larger now than it was 5 years ago. I think that the Kosovo thing turned out a bit better than the Iraq mess.

Prayers only help the one doing the praying cope. They do nothing for the one being prayed for.

franklin

01-28-2007, 04:45 PM

I don't believe that is true. Prayer has saved my life many times.

And I have seen prayer save the lives of others when there was no other hope.

smyrna

01-28-2007, 06:04 PM

Well, Franklin,

I am impressed that you would be willing to put our differences aside in order to join in prayer for Arron's grandson.

I am sure we can also agree that this pleases our Lord Jesus Christ.

skooter942000

01-28-2007, 07:39 PM

1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord [are] over
the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto
their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is]
against them that do evil.

1Pe 3:13 ¶ And who [is] he that will harm you,
if ye be followers of that which is good?



Bluewater,

Keep your criticisms to yourself.
Only an BLUE-BLOODED ATHEIST would speak as you.

- Your CONTEMPT is just sickening.

I bet you could care less for Arron's PLIGHT.

Instead of support (For a FELLOW HUMAN),
you criticize my post.

Shows where your MIND is at.

Shows where your heart is at as well.

Is this a FUN place to be
- (for atheists)?

Is Badgering "CHRISTIANS" - a HOBBY of yours?

(...i would get a new Hobby) - If-i-Were-U

Not believing in GOD, (Is not a SIN). (...yet)

- But MOCKING HIM "daily" - (IS).

ALMIGHTY GOD is in control.
- Like it or not.

We are in IRAQ because HE desired IT!!!
- Not mankind.

(the NWO is Building)

- Not that you would understand this.

There must be stability for it to FLY.
- (At the onset)

-DAN 11 is playing out, (yet again).

Nothing NEW under the SUN.


Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets,
saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say,
He saith.

Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that
prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do
tell them, and cause my people to err by their
lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them
not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall
not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Jer 23:33 ¶ And when this people, or the prophet,
or a priest, shall ask thee, saying,
What [is] the burden of the LORD?
thou shalt then say unto them, What burden?
I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.

Jer 23:34 And [as for] the prophet, and the priest,
and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD,
I will even punish that man and his house.


MOSES PRAYED FOR OTHERS,
- (And the outcome was what)?

DAVID PRAYED FOR OTHERS
ABRAHAM PRAYED FOR OTHERS

- And what was the outcome?



Eze 18:24
But when the righteous turneth away
from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity,
[and] doeth according to all the abominations
that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live?
All his righteousness that he hath done shall
not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath
trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned,
in them shall he die. 
___________________________________

Eze 18:27
Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from
his wickedness that he hath committed, and
doeth that which is lawful and right,
he shall save his soul alive.


= Isaiah 43:25-26
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa043.html#24

Don <*))><

dodge

01-29-2007, 05:29 AM

Hey, Skooter – I can’t believe you’re telling Bluewater to “Keep your criticisms to yourself.” Don’t you know that this is a public forum and not a private Bible-spamming site? I could say to you, “Hey Skooter, stop messing up the threads with Bible passages. This is not a Christian chat room, but a forum to expose cults.” Since this is not a Christian site, and you come here and post verse after verse, you leave yourself wide open to criticism by others here who are not believers in your particular religious mythology. This is FactNet, NOT A RELIGIOUS FORUM TO PROPAGATE YOUR IMAGINARY GODS.

It’s not that I find the Bible not useful. Only yesterday I needed a door stop, and it worked fine. When I was changing a flat last week, I put one behind the rear tire to prevent my car from rolling back. When I was living in Los Angeles years ago, I found the Bible great for smashing ants and cockroaches, fixing wobbly tables, and one night when I was smoking some good weed I tore my Bible apart to see if I could put it back together without the use of page numbers. That was fun. I also found the Bible to be a great place to hide stuff, by cutting out the center of the pages and making it hollow.

Of course, I found that if you wanted people to think you’re crazy, all you have to do is walk around with a Bible under your arm. And by reading what’s inside of the Bible, you get all kinds of justified reasons to hate others not like you. The Bible is also used in court to create an illusion that someone will not tell a lie. Can you believe that? I think that if you took all the unread Bibles in motel and hotel rooms, you could use them to make an artificial reef off the coast of Florida. For the lonely, they can pretend that the people in the Bible are their imaginary friends that they will someday meet. I have a friend who uses her Bible as a separator in grocery check-out lines when they run out. I’ve heard that the Bible pages make great rolling paper for joints when you’re all out of ZigZags; but that could be just an urban legend. In the winter, you can pile 300 pounds of Bibles in the back of your pickup to make those icy roads less hazardous. If found that Bibles make excellent coasters for my coffee table.

Finally, you can leave your Bible open to Proverbs 23:13 as evidence of insanity after beating your children to death with it.

So you see, Skooter; being here in this public forum you will always be open to criticism by the less religious people here. You can either go to a real Christian website where you will find like-minded people, or stick around here for more abuse. I know that I’m up for that.

(Message edited by dodge on January 28, 2007)

bluewater2

01-29-2007, 06:01 AM

"Not believing in GOD, (Is not a SIN). (...yet)" I don't believe in sin. I also in my post said I support the military, just not our stupid president who claims to be a christian. I do not feel sorry for aaron's grandson, he enlisted. I do feel sad for aaron because he claims to believe in god, yet does not have enough belief in the idea that "god is in control" as you seem to, to let god do his will. There is no god, but if there were one, and he were in control as you say, I would say he does not do a very good job at it.

smyrna

01-29-2007, 10:52 AM

"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God-Psalm 14."

It's a good thing God does not believe in atheists.

david_munson

01-29-2007, 01:58 PM

Yup,
people say there is no God because we live in a fallen world.
They forget that God let's us have free will and what that entails.(Just look around to see the results of fallen men making bad choices)
Then it's blame God for every ones behaviour.

Uhuh.

}

abiyah

01-29-2007, 06:28 PM

IHAVEsinned WROTE:
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QUOTE " I'm sure someone has already posted this, but watch to the end, Pastor Murray pulls a pistol on a detractor in his studio. " END
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And your point is....... ? What exactly ? UNBELIEVEABLE you all are ! You, and Vivian Hadden, and Bluewater, and Dodge [=these two being aethists no doubt] all think you have something here by showing this clip ? Something bad perhaps ? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifNOT SO ! Do you have any clue at all how that a number of God's servants where armed with weapons/swords in many places within The Word of God ? Ohhhh... but how you seemingly do love to judge [Matthew 7:1-2] another, even without knowing all the facts... READ AGAIN SKOOTER'S POST NO. 181, and answer for yourself that which he asked, and then discern the situatution fairly. And after watching it... my goodness, I believe he said
" SHOW him ". Right? Perhaps AFTER he sees that he'll settle down a bit and leave peaceably, as opposed to putting up a fight ? And I bet this one won't be back to try to hurt anyone or cause trouble there again, now will he ? And do we NOT have the right to defend ourselves against one who would physically cause harm to us or others ? Certainly we do ! Look around you, WAKE UP, we live in wicked times, and you'd better be able to defend yourself against someone that would harm you, your children, your family, or friends. You know.... I had not clicked on this thread until this afternoon, and it amazes me, just amazes me how that you all feel you can sit back and judge another, even the servants of Jesus Christ The Lord ? And how you find pleasure in verbally persecuting pastor Arnold Murray, as if you are all really something special ? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif NOT ! I find great comfort in KNOWING [not just believing but KNOWING AS FACT] that The LORD God is WATCHING ALL and whether your 'works' here be good or BAD, righteous or UNRIGHTEOUS its ALL noted in the books [Revelation 20:10], for certainly He keeps wonderful records of each and every one's works, and ALL those idle words which you seemingly love to speak, you SHALL give account before The LORD God on Judgement Day [Matthew 12:36-37], its a FACT, and you can COUNT ON IT. 

Mark 1:15
" And saying, The time is fulfilled, and The Kingdom of God IS at hand; REPENT ye, and BELIEVE The Gospel. "

<*((>< SKOOTER.... very nice posts !

AARON, indeed I will pray for your grandson, God is in control, and your grandson is in His Hands, remember.... The LORD is his Heavenly Father, so let not your heart be troubled. And indeed He is with your grandson, which is also one of His Children. May the very Peace and Grace that is in Jesus Christ our Lord & Saviour be with you Aaron, for EVERY day is a good day, even WITH trouble, because JESUS... He IS The LIVING WORD, and we serve The Living God!

dodge

01-29-2007, 06:46 PM

Abiyah, the fact that a pastor during a Bible study had a loaded handgun nearby demonstrates the nature of Arnold Murray and his students. To respond to a person who shouted out “blasphemy” by reaching for a lethal weapon shows that Murray will not tolerate anyone criticizing his views. Have you ever heard of non-violent crisis intervention? There are so many ways to calm a person down, to disarm a potentially violent situation other than reaching for a gun.

CPI (Crisis Prevention Institute) has been training professionals who work with challenging or potentially violent individuals for 25 years. They provide classes in behavior management from facility administrators to front-line mental health providers to bus drivers so that they can resolve conflict at the earliest possible stage. Perhaps you can suggest that the Shepherds Chapel, and the Murrays, look into this.

http://www.crisisprevention.com/

bluewater2

01-29-2007, 07:13 PM

Just so that no one thinks I am picking on poor old pastor murray, I think he is not bigger hypocrate that the other wimpy televangelists like Copeland, the Crouches, Kennedy, Tilton the tooter, Dobson, Graham, Robertson, Schuler, the apostle Paul, the list goes on and on. They are all hypocrates and losers who only want to elevate themselves to a position of power and authority under the guise of "helping" others. I do not have any more disdain for Murray than any of the others, so don't think that my hatred for the christian business model is strictly aimed at Arny.

ihavesinned

01-29-2007, 08:59 PM

Sweet Jesus, do you people still think Al Quaeda was affiliated with Iraq? Put the bibles down folks, let's pay attention to current events. It still boggles my mind how "yeah but bill clinton did this..." is still the going defense for Bush's failures.

P.S.
Arnold Murray is a fart in a hurricane in the big scheme of things. I just put up the video for fun. Clearly he's a reactionary nut, but of course he didn't break the law. But packing a gun at church? That shows very little faith right?

Nobody should care what he says, least of all Christians. After all they have god's word, why would they need Arnold's?

And his followers call others "detractors", very cultish...

abiyah

01-29-2007, 10:55 PM

Hmmm..... let me get this straight then, just so I'm real clear here, Dodge, Bluewater, and Ihavesinned, ALL do not believe The Word of God, neither do you believe in God at all ? ... am I correct in this understanding ? So then somehow you've deceived your ownselves into thinking there is no God ?

Yea or Nay ??????

And well.... with regard to your comment of 'detractors' sounding "cultish", Hmmmm.... I'm not sure how that someone detracting from God's Truth sounds cultish to you ? However, I would NOT define one that does not believe in God as a detractor, but rather a none believer or better said an infidel. So then I guess I find it difficult how that an infidel could be a detractor, for who in the world would listen to those who DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD ? WHO ? Nobody ! What I don't get at all is why a group of infidels would come here to these Shepherd's Chapel Threads ??????..... for indeed we are all Christians here, and we gather here to discuss The Truth of God's Word. So then my next QUESTION for you would then be... are you interested in HEARING Truth ? If not.... then why come here at all ? Your foolish comments will not hurt me, nor do they effect me, but they SHALL you, you can COUNT ON IT ! : (

Abiyah

dodge

01-29-2007, 11:11 PM

Abiyah, you ask who would listen to those who do not believe in God? Well, those who do not believe in God. Duh! What? Do you think everyone in the world believes in God? How naïve. Then you make this absurd statement, “For indeed we are all Christians here, and we gather here to discuss the Truth of God’s Word.” Abiyah, this is NOT a Christian forum, and we are not all Christians nor do we all come here to discuss “God’s Word.” This is FactNet, set up to discuss and expose cults. Why is it that you think this is a site to talk about God? Haven’t you been paying attention? I think you must be confused as to where you are. If you want to talk about “god” and talk about the Bible, then I would suggest you go to a site that is set up for that. If you come here and thump the Bible and talk about your version of "god," then you will be confronted with those of us who have no belief in your "god" and are here to expose cults...like Shepherds Chapel.

abiyah

01-30-2007, 07:15 PM

Dodge WROTE:
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QUOTE: " What? Do you think everyone in the world believes in God? How naïve. " END QUOTE
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Nope, .... nooooo Dodge, I do not 'think' that every single soul in the world believes in God, as a matter of fact I see that there are some that do NOT believe in God, hey... that's their choice. And I've often wondered why that is ? Why do they choose not to ? But you do know this Dodge, that THE majority, that being MOST of the people in the world do believe in a god; However Dodge, I will tell you a Truth, there is only One Living God, The LORD. And this is True, no doubt about it for me, but unforetunatly, there is much doubt for you. So much so that you have chosen to NOT believe. : ( I'm so sorry to hear that, how empty your life must be. ALSO, I think you know that the majority of people in the world do believe in that One Living God, those are Christians, and as I believe I have so stated to you before, Christianity is NOT a 'religion' as some may think, but rather a REALITY. And while Immanuel= God WITH us, that is to say Jesus The Christ dwelt among us on the earth, that MULTITUDES Dodge, MULTITUDES of people DID follow Him, and MULTITUDES STILL follow Him today, and many shall FOR EVER. There are more Christians in this world than there are any of those other religions. And here it is Written the Blessing for those that do believe. But for those that do not... well they just will not be here anymore, blotted out as though they had never existed at all, ... no biggy in that, its their OWN choice, whether to love God, He Who created their very existance, or they can follow satan, their choice. Now satan, he who became very prideful, and STOPPED loving God, and many that followed satan have done the same, they have stopped loving their Father, God. So again, as I started to say.... here is the Blessing to them which believe and do love God, Who is their real, true Father, their very closest of Kin and indeed it is NOT His Will that any should perish, He loves them and desires to be loved of them [Hosea 6:6], and His patience toward each and every one of us is very great, as it is His will that ALL should come to repentance .[i]

John 3:16
" For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son [ Immanuel=God WITH us; Isaiah 7:14 ], that 'whosoever' believeth in Him should NOT perish [ = eternally and utterly destroyed, your soul that is ], but HAVE everlasting life. " [See also John 1:14]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifContinued in the next post.

abiyah

01-30-2007, 07:17 PM

Dodge WROTE:
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QUOTE: " Then you make this absurd statement, “For indeed we are all Christians here, and we gather here to discuss the Truth of God’s Word. ” END QUOTE
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You do know what I mean when I say " here " ? When I say "here" Dodge, indeed I mean here in THESE Shepherd's Chapel Threads. So you see then, that this statement, in regard to gathering "here", is NOT absurd at all, as you may so think, but rather its a FACT, again.. this is FACTnet..... correct? Now whether you like it or not, or whether you approve of it or not, it is FACT that here under THESE Shepherd's Chapel Threads The Word of God is discussed and shared [Mark 16:15]. And indeed you have NOW received the facts concerning THESE Shepherd's Chapel Threads at FACTnet, in which I'm also very grateful to FACTnet for allowing me to come here and speak FREELY The Good News, and have not ever been censored. : ) 

DODGE WROTE
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QUOTE: " Abiyah, this is NOT a Christian forum, and we are not all Christians nor do we all come here to discuss “God’s Word.” " END
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Interesting that you would say that Dodge, as when you first came to these Shepherd's Chapel Threads you had claimed to be seeking Truth, on account of having time to re-THINK things because of your physical back troubles... do you recall how I sent up prayers for you to The Father ? Indeed my heart was sincere in helping you, having compassion for you. So then let me get this straight now, you were not seeking Truth ? It was simply an act ? WHY ? Why would you do that ? Perhaps you are seeking Truth, but wish to not let on for fear of what others my think ? Today maybe your conscience is telling you WHAT IF there is a God ? I mean why else would you come to THESE Shepherd's Chapel Threads where The Word of God is throughoughly discussed and shared ? To verbally abuse and persecute the Christians that gather here for Christ's Name Sake? As it is HERE under these Shepherd's Chapel Threads that you or any one can HEAR The Word of God IF they so choose, if not then why come here to THESE Shepherd's Chapel Threads to post at all ? What would be the point of an aethist doing that ? For I perceive that you are intelligent enough to know Dodge that THIS is NOT a cult, so don't try that.... that excuse will not work anymore, you're too smart and you know better. Oh yea.. one more thing...open your eyes, for the majority of the THREADS here at THIS FORUM called FACTnet are Christian based.

abiyah

01-30-2007, 07:19 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifContined from the above post

Dodge WROTE:
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QUOTE: " This is FactNet, set up to discuss and expose cults. " END QUOTE
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LOL ! Now that's funny. As I have not seen one cult exposed here..... perhaps that was its original intention, but since that time it has become something far more than that. I'm sure the owner/president of this site, who I saw on T.V., being a scientologist can even agree with that. In that this site has devoloped into something other than its original intention. Perhaps you could also agree with that Dodge, for its easy to see people come here to discuss their religious beliefs and make a stand for them, and try to attract people to their religion. Question is now.... which one group is really speaking/sharing Truth, The Truth of God's Word ? But a exposing cult site Dodge ? ... this I have not yet witnessed...lol ! " )

DODGE WROTE:
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QUOTE: " Why is it that you think this is a site to talk about God? " END QUOTE
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LOL ! Again, I will say, this IS a site to talk about God. For God and The Word of God is dicuussed here in many various thread topics, but this you already know.... its a 'FACT' Dodge. For though it may have began as some cult exposing site, FACTnet has since developed into a site where many people of many different and various religions, religious beliefs, and church denominations have come to cast their 'net', some indeed are casting nets of deception, while others cast forth A Net of Truth. And these which gather here under this Shepherd's Chapel Thread(s) do weave a net of Truth, to cast out over those that read here under these particular threads, as we cast forth The Truth of The Word of God, and pull men and women alike TO The LORD God [Mark 1:17].

abiyah

01-30-2007, 07:23 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif LASTLY

Dodge WROTE:
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QUOTE: " Haven’t you been paying attention? I think you must be confused as to where you are. "
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Indeed I have been paying attention and know exactly where i am, I'm at FACTnet, where there are numerous threads which do discuss God more than they discuss cults. So then, hmmmm... perhaps you are the one who has not been paying all that much attention around here ? And I mean no disrespect when I say that. And nooooo..., nope, I'm not confused at all..... but see very clear what is really discussed here at FACTnet. For indeed God is discussed here in NUMEROUS thread topics and titles, etc. Did you perhaps overlook that Dodge ? For such a smart guy.. I'm surprised you missed that. HUH ! Also if you have not noticed, please note the many different entitled religious threads here at FACTnet, which discuss the other 'gods', so much so that FACTnet had to organize them all for there are many religions discussed here, many believing in The One True Living God, and many that believe in a 'god'. This site even shows particality to scientology.....as its catergorized all by itself, seperate from Christianity and other religions. And I wonder if its because the owner/president of this sit is a scientologist... ? Perhaps that is why its the first religious option to look at ? Oh well... another subject for another time. However, I will say this... it would be wise for you to note that NOT ALL discuss the things which are of The One True Living God..... here's an F.Y.I. for ya.... we here at these Shepherd's Chapel Threads DO dicuss God's Word, Truth, some will receive it and some will not. But you know.... perhaps the one who is confused about this site called FACTNET MESSAGE BOARD, is you Dodge ? Maybe ? 

DODGE WROTE:
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QUOTE: " If you want to talk about “God” and talk about The Bible, then I would suggest you go to a site that is set up for that. " END
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This site IS set up for that Dodge... perhaps you are the one that is NOT paying attention here. So then go and look again at the other thread titles/topics here at FACTnet, and read some of them, and tell me how many talk about God within them. Lots and lots ! Correct ?

Abiyah : )

bluewater2

01-30-2007, 07:25 PM

"So then somehow you've deceived your ownselves into thinking there is no God ?" Actually, in spite of what your old book tells you, I believe that all are born naturally without belief in god and if people were not subjected to the belief in god by others pushing their system on others, they would get by just fine, and likely better, without being subjected to the concept of a god, which is the source of so much conflict in the world today. The same as the idea that we are born without knowledge of guns and only come to know guns if someone exposes us to them. God and religion are all man made concepts and for those that want to live within the bounds of those concepts, no problem. It is the reality of those that believe, not the reality of those that do not.

abiyah

01-30-2007, 07:59 PM

Here the words of 'babel'=confusion

BLUE WATER who seemingly loves to babel WROTE:
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QUOTE" " .... Actually, in spite of what your old book tells you, I believe that all are born naturally without belief in god and if people were not subjected to the belief in god by others pushing their system on others, they would get by just fine, and likely better, without being subjected to the concept of a god, which is the source of so much conflict in the world today. The same as the idea that we are born without knowledge of guns and only come to know guns if someone exposes us to them. God and religion are all man made concepts and for those that want to live within the bounds of those concepts, no problem. It is the reality of those that believe, not the reality of those that do not." END QUOTE
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So then youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur point here is ??????

And HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD God, and HEAR the "reality" of those that do NOT believe.

John 3:16
" For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son [ Isaiah 7:14], that whosoever believeth in Him should NOT perish [ the death of one's soul ], but have everlasting life. "

John 3:17
" For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. "

John 3:18
" He that believeth on him is not condemned: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath NOT believed in The Name of The Only Begotten Son of God. "

John 3:19
" And this is the condemnation, that Light IS come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil."

John 3:20
" For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved. "

Repentance in a wonderful gift Bluewater, think about it. [Hosea 6:6 ]

abiyah

01-30-2007, 08:08 PM

Hear the words of one who lacks wisdom. And one can hear them, but a wise person would never 'listen' to a fool. Sorry Blue, I mean no disrespect, just stating FACTS, afterall this IS FACTnet. 

BLUE WATER who seemingly loves to babel WROTE:
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QUOTE" " .... Actually, in spite of what your old book tells you, I believe that all are born naturally without belief in god and if people were not subjected to the belief in god by others pushing their system on others, they would get by just fine, and likely better, without being subjected to the concept of a god, which is the source of so much conflict in the world today. The same as the idea that we are born without knowledge of guns and only come to know guns if someone exposes us to them. God and religion are all man made concepts and for those that want to live within the bounds of those concepts, no problem. It is the reality of those that believe, not the reality of those that do not." END QUOTE
*********************************************** **

So then youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur point here is ??????

Or rather one could HEAR THE LIVING WORD OF God, and perhaps HEAR the "reality" of those that choose to believe and those that choose NOT to believe, THIS is TRUTH, Truth is REAL, which makes THIS reality.

John 3:16
" For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son [ Isaiah 7:14], that whosoever believeth in Him should NOT perish [ the death of one's soul ], but have everlasting life. "

John 3:17
" For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. "

John 3:18
" He that believeth on him is not condemned: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath NOT believed in The Name of The Only Begotten Son of God. "

John 3:19
" And this is the condemnation, that Light IS come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil."

John 3:20
" For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved. "

Repentance is a wonderful gift Bluewater, think about it. [Hosea 6:6 ]

skooter942000

01-30-2007, 08:09 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifAMEN - (Abiyah)

- We serve a HIGER AUTHORITY.

- we don't take instructions from the LOST.

- WE are SAVED!!!

These people are not here Because of Problems
they themselves have within a CULT.

- The excuses they share, just to be here
are laughable.

They have no-where else to post.
- To cause derision.

- So they end up here.
- (good for them)http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

ON JUDGEMENT DAY, they cannot say,
- we didn't know.

- Or "no one told us". (YOUR WORDS "LORD")

[satan's game is clear as day].

Any CHRISTIAN ,(Worth their SALT),
- should be able to spot this.

so they side with so-Called Christians,
to attack "Real CHRISTIANS"...

gc and her few friends should feel proud to have them onboard to accuse and attack our Beliefs.

Siding with athiests, (Show ones TRUE character).

We are to go to the LOST to help them,
(If they desire the HELP), which they DON'T!!!

But they take up ARMS together against us.
SHOWS RIGHT THERE WHO WE SERVE.

satan does not attack (the deceived).

- Only those with (SIGHT).

satan attacks GOD and HIS Children.

And he certainly uses non-believers to accomplish this.
- (and those who HATE GOD)


Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right
unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways
of death.

Pro 16:26 He that laboureth laboureth for
himself; for his mouth craveth it of him.

Pro 16:27 An ungodly man diggeth up evil:
and in his lips [there is] as a burning fire.

Pro 16:28 A froward man soweth strife:
and a whisperer separateth chief friends.

Pro 16:29 A violent man enticeth his
neighbour, and leadeth him into the way
[that is] not good.

Pro 16:30 He shutteth his eyes to devise
froward things: moving his lips he bringeth
evil to pass.

Pro 16:31 The hoary head [is] a crown of
glory, [if] it be found in the way of righteousness.

Pro 16:32 [He that is] slow to anger [is]
better than the mighty; and he that ruleth
his spirit than he that taketh a city.



Don <*))><

bluewater2

01-30-2007, 08:16 PM

"So then youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur point here is ??????" How can we decieve ourselves into believing that there is no god, when there is no god to begin with? It seems that the point could be made that believers have deceived themselves into believing that there is one. Thats all. And I have no problem with you living with that deception, just when believers try to promote their beliefs as the one true way. Live as you wish.

bluewater2

01-30-2007, 08:20 PM

I have nothing to repent for, but thanks for the tip. You live within a system that supports the need to repent, I do not. And that is ok. The reality to chose to live in is your choice. I am not trying to change you.

godchild

01-30-2007, 08:26 PM

I sure hope admin comes here to tell scooter (and abi and terlu and the other scers who love to post scriptures with no connection to the subject) to "please stop posting scriptures." They just told scooter on the other thread. Let's see if they ignore admin.

scooter, If you read the Bible, you will find that Jesus didn't go to 'religious' people to teach. The story of Paul is the greatest lesson about one who was an enemy of Jesus becoming His apostle.

Your comments are full of "self" righteousness. You speak like a Pharisee. Shame on you. I am a sinner, and I love other sinners. "All have sinned." Only those like you believe differently, thinking you are elect, and are "above" everyone else. You will be last, and the sinners you judge may well be first.

godchild

01-30-2007, 08:34 PM

I am so thankful I can count amongst my "few" friends atheists and Jews who are honest, over those hypocrits who claim to be Christians anytime.

The Bible tells us the greatest evil comes from within (religion), not from without.

skooter942000

01-30-2007, 08:38 PM

gc - Better than being a hypocrite and accuser.

- your words , (are worth-less)/POINTLESS

- In other words , "WASTED" on us.

you are here to accuse.
- not convert. (not help)

- Not WARN.

SC has never hurt you.
How about any family member?

If SC was a CULT , (i can see the point).
- but it is not a CULT.

we have a few differences of opinions
(In Teachings).

- Big DEAL.

We don't accuse you because you believe
differently. (not Endlessly)

- If things come up (So be it).

Your HATE is what drives you.

- & that is something you have to live withhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Don <*))><

bluewater2

01-30-2007, 08:39 PM

I think that an important point to make here, godchild, is that only christians are sinners. That is a belief system that they have chosen to live within so that comes with christianity. Non christians are not sinners. Thank you.

skooter942000

01-30-2007, 08:46 PM

FROM gc:

They just told scooter on the other thread. Let's see if they ignore admin.
------------------------------------

- Which thread?

- i know of a ONE that CRIES _To_THEM_WHEN_HURT.

- The TRUTH does HURT, - (huh)
the Scriptures CUT (So you desire me not to share
them).

Why does a CHRISTIAN (...Supposed),
dislike Scriptures being shared on this listing?

You say you love others.
- But you never show it.

You say kind words to Terri for her father,
then immediately turn around and attack
her within minutes on another thread.

-ONE WORD (describes this action).
...Shared in the last message.

Don <*))><

abiyah

01-30-2007, 09:11 PM

Vivian Hadden WROTE:
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QUOTE: " sure hope admin comes here to tell scooter (and abi and terlu and the other scers who love to post scriptures with no connection to the subject) to "please stop posting scriptures." They just told scooter on the other thread. Let's see if they ignore admin." END
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WOW ! Vivian... of all the wicked things you have done and said here, this one takes the cake. And that question I have asked myself with regard to you can now CLEARLY be answered. For it is you that has gone to Administration to COMPLAIN that The Word of God, Scriptures are posted here without a connection to the topic ? Are you for real ? And you CLAIM to be a Christian women ? [ ---> clearing my throat ] I come here to discuss The Word of God, not share company with the likes of you Ms. Hadden... what did you think.... I came here to debate with you ? TO fight and argue with you Mam ? NOT ! Your a senior citizen and I have always been taught to respect elders. And yeah, some would call you an old bat, but I will NOT. Sorry to disappoimt you Vivian. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif I'm just so glad you specified a condition however, to posting Scripture, and it is to my understanding as long as there is a conncection to The Topic we can POST GOD'S WORD, SCRIPTURES ! LOVELY ! Perhaps we will post on a level that you may better understand then, that may very well help you Vivian, and to think all The Beautiful Scriptures in which Skooter put forth you, YOU actually THOUGHT there was no connection to that which was being discussed, and then went and complained to Administration about it. Ahhhhh... But I do understand now why you could not HEAR it.

P.S. It is WRITTEN... I SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS and indeed... I KNOW NOW Got it ! Only thorns and thistles... no thanks Vivian !

Abiyah


CAN'T BLAME ANYONE BUT ME FOR THE "LESS SCRIPTURE" COMMENT. I GET LOTS OF COMPLAINTS EVERYDAY, BUT NOT ON THIS, NOT TODAY.

(Message edited by admin on January 30, 2007)

skooter942000

01-30-2007, 09:23 PM

From gc:

scooter, If you read the Bible, you will find that Jesus didn't go to 'religious' people to teach.
-------------------8<---cut------------

Viv, (And i have asked you not to call me scooter_)

my friends/family call me skooter,
- You are neither.

Do you even OWN a BIBLE?

CHRIST went to whom when HE went Preaching?

The JEWS

-They KNEW THE TORAH PRETTY WELL.

- your words are not true.

- CHRIST was teaching a BETTER WAY!!!

- No scriptures for you.
-Find them yourself. (if you can)

- Agape to the BRETHREN.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif - (you know who you are)

Don <*))><

ihavesinned

01-30-2007, 09:29 PM

"I SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS"

Right, that was my original point. You have to be nutty as a fruitcake to pack your nine mm in your briefcase along with your bible. If you people follow a nut like this, what does that say about all of you?

And who was it using the "infidel" word above? Now where have I heard that word before? Oh yeah, from Osama. Anyway, mix religion and guns all you want, and see what you get.

bluewater2

01-30-2007, 09:38 PM

I think Arnie calls that box behind his desk the "fruit basket."

abiyah

01-30-2007, 09:43 PM

Administration WROTE:
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QUOTE: " CAN'T BLAME ANYONE BUT ME FOR THE "LESS SCRIPTURE" COMMENT. I GET LOTS OF COMPLAINTS EVERYDAY, BUT NOT ON THIS, NOT TODAY.

(Message edited by admin on January 30, 2007)"
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifNot on 'this' ? By "this" do you mean not on this Shepherd's Chapel Thread, or not on "this" meaning, how that Vivian had such a problem with Scriptures being posted which she thought did not 'connect' to the supposed topic matter ? She has recently complained about this here, openely, and especially to Skooter a number of times now. If not, what then has made you TODAY put forth these edits with regard to " LESS SCRIPTURES " within our posts ? Again, I ask..... do we not have freedom of speech here at FACTNET anymore ? And why NOW do these edts come? And also WHY TODAY ? After all this time, do you now want us to post " LESS SCRIPTURE" ? I do not understand, though I'm trying. I ask... what is the harm in it, no one is forced to read The Scriptures which are put forth, to FORCE would be cultish behavior. And indeed I do ask respectfully, and certainly do speak kindly to you. [ ALL capitalizations are simply for 'EMPHASIS" and am in no way shouting ]

Sincerely,

Abiyah


GODCHILD DID NOT COMPLAIN. PERIOD. DO YOU FEEL SOMEHOW THAT YOU ARE PUT AT SOMEKIND OF DISADVANTAGE BY NOT BEING ABLE TO POST MANY SCRIPTURES IN A ROW AS OPPOSED TO JUST POSTING THE REFERENCES?

(Message edited by admin on January 30, 2007)

skooter942000

01-30-2007, 10:37 PM

gc is not the only one that openly complained.
Bluewater (perk-up here) ,
and dodge (Chevy's are better),
- don't like all the scriptures too.

- Not that that matters to me. (us)

i don't post for them,
- just to them. (and others)

THE RIGHTEOUS LOVE GOD'S WORDS.
- They really , really do.

While the others (simply don't) = FREE-WILL.

GOD'S WORDS actually ANGER many.

Many hate that they are not actually
in control. though they claim they are.

(Someone else is) - (YAH is EL)

The CREATOR wants HIS children to find SALVATION.
- But certain RULES do apply.

Remember when steven told the TRUTH.
Look what happened to him.

Some really HATE the TRUTH.

........SEE.........

bluewater2

01-30-2007, 10:51 PM

I would never complain to anyone but the person who posted the scripture. I can handle you myself, just fine. When I see all of the scripture I just realize that the ability to think for yourself has escaped you. I would never read them anyway. Very easy to scroll through. And I have read them all many times before, on my own time, in my own bible.

yaqakallah

01-30-2007, 11:23 PM

Hey you guys! Dan the moderator is a really cool guy!!! He's just doing his job and we get to post here for....FREE!!!

Think about it!!!=http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

abiyah

01-30-2007, 11:35 PM

Administration WROTE:
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QUOTE: " GODCHILD DID NOT COMPLAIN. PERIOD."
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Vivian.... I apologize to you, I thought in your above post that you were saying that you complained to The Administration here at FACTnet on account of The Scriptures being posted which did not connect to the topic's matter. I misunderstood you, therefore I do indeed owe you an apology Ms. Hadden, for this had nothing to do with you this time, so again, I hope you will accept my sincere apology to you. However, I'm sorry to see you react seemingly happy to the fact that this administration wishes us to post " less Scripture ", and would rather NOT have us put it forth in depth as we so enjoy doing here under these Shepherd's Chapel Threads.

Although, I also KNOW that God is in Control; Therefore, our Heavenly Father which is True will reward ALL according to their 'works', and that is whether they be good or bad, every one will be accountable for their own actions, and indeed God is Perfecty Fair. Question now I guess is this .... Is asking some to post
" LESS TRUTH " FROM The Word of God a good or bad work ? And for the life of me.... I still can NOT understand why this administration has aked this of us after ALL this time ? For I do not see any harm in "QUOTING" Scripture, but it does leave me to wonder if there is a fear here that one might believe The Scriptures, convert, and glorify The True Living God through His Son, Immanuel = God WITh us, Jesus The Christ ?

May The LORD God always Bless those that Bless Him.

Abiyah

bluewater2

01-30-2007, 11:44 PM

All scripture is there for anyone at anytime just by putting the scripture reference in a search engine. I know that I do that from time to time when I see a reference to something that interests me. What is the purpose of posting the actual scripture, at least when, as skootie does, it is 10 or 15 of them in a row? It seems like such a waste and I would never read them when they are posted like that. I think that you guys should work on your delivery a bit and more might read them.

ihavesinned

01-31-2007, 12:10 AM

If someone has a scripture that involves packing heat in church i'm all ears...

godchild

01-31-2007, 01:14 AM

quote: my friends/family call me skooter,
- You are neither.

So I guess that means scooter is okay now? lol
blue, may I quote you. I think the same way about "long scripture quotes".
quote:
I would never complain to anyone but the person who posted the scripture. I can handle you myself, just fine. When I see all of the scripture I just realize that the ability to think for yourself has escaped you. I would never read them anyway. Very easy to scroll through. And I have read them all many times before, on my own time, in my own bible.
--------------------------
Some people just don't get it.

And no, abi, I do not accept your apology that comes out of one side of your mouth, while the other side says "I hate this, I hate this". Stop the accusations and insinuations.

I love the scriptures and try to live by them. What I hate is scer's false interpretation of them. If that bothers you, too bad. You should be used to it by now.

And finally to scooter. You think me a hypocrit for my prayers for terlu's Dad, and what little advice I could give her, since my late father was in a similar condition. Screw you, buddy. The accusation against me today started with her. A FALSE ACCUSATION. I will still pray for her father's well-being.

And now that scer's know this is not a "Christian forum" (and have been told so many times), why don't you be good little figs and "leave in peace".

blue, Let's call it "our mistakes" then. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

angie0401

01-31-2007, 01:57 AM

And no, abi, I do not accept your apology that comes out of one side of your mouth, while the other side says "I hate this, I hate this". Stop the accusations and insinuations

Shame on you Vivian. Every time you have apologized we have accepted your apologies. Less than a week ago you tried your best to make people believe I was posting as anyscientologist when it was plain that my post was on the thread below it. Did I refuse your apology? Did I come back with ugly words and accusations like YOU have? Of course, you have lied and accused and intenionally misrepresented SO many times, but abi made an honest mistake. You've never made a mistake, though, have you? What you've done has always been exactly what you meant to do, right?

Oh well, par for the course, I guess.

Enjoy hanging out in your anti-Christian forum, Viv - right up your alley, isn't it?

HERETIC! BLASPHEMER! REDFACED DEVIL!
Sorry - I was having a "franklin" http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif moment.
just kidding, of course!
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Lighten up, sheesh!

bluewater2

01-31-2007, 01:58 AM

What mistakes are you talking about? I must have missed something.

abiyah

01-31-2007, 02:54 AM

godchild WROTE:
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QUOTE: " And no, abi, I do not accept your apology that comes out of one side of your mouth, while the other side says "I hate this, I hate this". Stop the accusations and insinuations. " END QUOTE
*********************************************** **

There you go with your lying tongue again Vivian. My goodness. But you know... I get it now.... so I expect that from you, your lies are nothing new here. And as far as you not accepting my sincere apology to you, well that certainly is NOT "trying" to be a doer of The Word of God now is it ? Who do you think you are fooling here Ms. Hadden ? Certainly not me I hope? IT IS WRITTEN... Question is have you read it ?

Mark 11:24
" Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. "

Mark 11:25
" And when ye stand praying, FORGIVE, IF ye have ought against any; that your Father also which is in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses. "

Mark 11:26
" But if ye DO NOT FORGIVE, NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN FORGIVE YOUR TRESPASSES. "

Also there are MORE Scriptures which you can also reference for your own edification; See ALSO Matthew 18:21-22; Luke 6:37; Luke 17:3-4; So there you are, now get your Bible out Vivian. " )

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifAnd to ALL my fellow labourers IN Jesus Christ The Lord, who are my sisters and my brothers beloved in my heart, I hope you each have a very peaceful evening; And may God 'continue' to Bless your hearts. Sweeet dreams. : )

Agape,

Abiyah

smyrna

01-31-2007, 03:37 AM

GODCHILD,

Ever the Bible scholar,wrote in her post 4433,:

"scooter, If you read the Bible, you will find that Jesus didn't go to 'religious' people to teach. The story of Paul is the greatest lesson about one who was an enemy of Jesus becoming His apostle."

Oh, He didn't go to 'religious' people?

How about all the dialogue the Gopsels record between Jesus and the Sadducess and Pharisees?

How about the very first time Joseph and Mary found him in the Temple, teaching the elders?

As usual, Godchild falls flat on her face when SHE tries to teach anyone about the Bible.

smyrna

01-31-2007, 03:43 AM

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot:

Where Godchild, is your evidence that myself and Watchman have had recent communications with John Cody?

How long and how many times should I ask until you consider it fair that we call you a liar?

I suppose that if you had any evidence, (which you don't)then you surely would have presented it by now.

So, the question is then: Where did you come up with that allegation? Did you just make it up, like you have done on so many other occasions?

yaqakallah

01-31-2007, 05:55 AM

Mark 11:26
" But if ye DO NOT FORGIVE, NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN FORGIVE YOUR TRESPASSES. "

Excellent post Abiyah!!! My interpretation is to forgive anyone who asks and Father judges the sincerety of the hearts.

I felt your heart in your apology post to godchild and I felt hatred in her refusal. Oh well, that is between her and YHVH. What a shame...

godchild

01-31-2007, 07:42 AM

You're right about one thing, kim. It's between God and me.

smyrna, I see you ARE about the only scer who didn't support John Cody Parker when he was here, even after they knew he was trentwoodard of neo-nazi fame (for whatever that's worth). Here's something interesting though I'd like to share:
john_parker (john_parker)
Junior Member
Username: john_parker

Post Number: 41
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.138
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I have been searching for over eight years,

For anyone that has information or had a similar encounter (of the highest order of magnitude) which began with a blinking or flashing black fleur-de-lis Herald to get your attention.

God Bless

PEACE

ezekiel_37 (ezekiel_37)

Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 3:27 pm:
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try

www.theseason.org (http://www.theseason.org)

you may be pleasently suprised
Peace
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then goto /seeds
peace
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then goto /fig tree cafe
Pece
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Now look at your post, after zeke suggests jcp can learn more about his fleur de lis garbage at the season.org:

smyrna (smyrna)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 8:40 pm:
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CHECK THIS OUT!

If the following doesn't prove beyond any doubt that Mr. John Parker is LOONEYTUNES, read this, from the Shepherd's Chapel Wanabees thread, found here on Factnet:

john_parker (john_parker)
Junior Member
Username: john_parker

Post Number: 41
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.138

Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 12:18 am:

I have been searching for over eight years,

For anyone that has information or had a similar encounter (of the highest order of magnitude) which began with a blinking or flashing black fleur-de-lis Herald to get your attention.
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So, do you all agree on anything besides the sex with satan lies, other earth age lies, ufos and other foolishness, especially that you think you're the elect? And finally, if you look at the ip#, you will understand why I thought that lady was him using another name. You guys are a hoot!

smyrna

01-31-2007, 11:46 AM

Godchild worte:

"smyrna, I see you ARE about the only scer who didn't support John Cody Parker when he was here, even after they knew he was trentwoodard..."

Well, I finally got an admission that Godchild lied about my having any communication with John Cody recently. She even had to go all the way back to the threads that go back two years for ANY communication whatsoever.

But do we see an apology here? NO

Why?

Because all through these threads, any time any of the detractors were caught in lies or deliberate misrepresentations, there never is any remorse.

After all, it is their modus operandi.

bee

01-31-2007, 03:14 PM

Smyrna,
I hate to break in on you on this thread but I was wondering if you would be so kind to answer my last post to you on the "Llm present your 20000 errors thread...? You may have missed it. Thanks & Blessings.

godchild

01-31-2007, 05:58 PM

No smyrna. Once again you twist the facts. Since trentwoodard uses so many aliases, its possible you have been conversing with him recently. So no, your accusation of liar falls flat.

Does the season teach this fleur de lis stuff that jp, aka trentwoodard was asking about? zeke thought so. Does smyrna agree or not with the teachings at the season? Or is he some 'lone wolf' so to speak, who has his own spin on reality?

abiyah

01-31-2007, 06:35 PM

Smyrna WROTE:
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QUOTE: " As usual, godchild falls flat on her face when SHE tries to teach anyone about the Bible. ' END QUOTE
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A Very Fine Afternoon to you Smyrna !

And Peace be unto you from our Lord Jesus The Christ. Indeed your above stated quote is so, so True. And leaves one to wonder if Vivian has really ever sat down and read her Bible WITH understanding, and perhaps asked our Father to help her with understanding ? All Wisdom of His Word comes from Him. As indeed she makes numerous errors with regard to The Word of Truth, and does so all too much; Therefore she would be wise to FIRST LEARN The Word of God before she speaks on it. I pray that none would look to her for edification at this time, until she become learned in God's Word, for that which she speaks and says is very misleading, and is just NOT true when discussing The Word of God.

Abiyah

ihavesinned

01-31-2007, 06:46 PM

What does any of this have to do with packing a hand cannon to the pulpit? If Pastor Murray is as forgiving and kind as his adherents above, no wonder he carries a pistol. You people sound like you're ready to shoot each other too...

yaqakallah

01-31-2007, 06:50 PM

"No smyrna. Once again you twist the facts. Since trentwoodard uses so many aliases, its possible you have been conversing with him recently. So no, your accusation of liar falls flat."

In all fairness, if this dude uses so many aliases, it is possible a number have conversed with him without even knowing it.....including YOU godchild!!!

Sheesh!...You'll argue about ANYTHING!!!

skooter942000

01-31-2007, 11:22 PM

And the MOUTH of a DRAGON spews out more HATE.

Gomer Pyle had a saying....

(actually he had many sayings)

- Surprise (etc, etc, etc)

ON THE WINGS OF A PRAYER

Just close your Eyes and open your heart,
And feel your worries and cares depart.
Just yield yourself to the Father above,
And let him hold you secure in his love.

For life on earth grows more involved,
With endless problems that can't be solved,
But God only ask us to do our best,
Then he will take over and finish the rest...

So when you are tired, discouraged and blue,
There is always one door that is open to you,
And that is the door to The House of Prayer,
And you'll find God waiting to meet you there.
And The House of Prayer is no further away,
than the quiet spot where you kneel and pray.

For the heart is a temple when God is there
As we place ourselves in his loving care.
And he hears every prayer and answers each one
When we Pray in His name - Thy will be done.
The burdens that seemed too heavy to bear
Are lifted away on the wings of a prayer.

by: Helen Steiner Rice

Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you,
What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall
have [them].

- TRUE WORDS

Mar 11:25 ¶ And when ye stand praying, forgive,
if ye have ought against any: that your Father
also which is in heaven may forgive you your
trespasses.

Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither
will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Anyone can claim to be a Christian.

- CAN'T FOOL THE CREATOR.

(http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif)

dodge

01-31-2007, 11:40 PM

Scooter, Goober and Gomer...I thought there was a family resemblance there someplace. Christian hillbillies, well gadnabbit. Let's all sing together now, to the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies:

Come 'n listen to my story 'bout a guy named God
A deity without a flock, which is kinda odd.
And then one day, the Romans crucified this dude
The next thing you know, God's religion got a crew.
Christians that is, like lambs to the slaughter.

Well the the next thing you know, old God's up in the air.
God said to the Jews, hey move away from there.
he said the promised land is the place you want to be.
So they loaded up the tribes and they moved to Galilee.
Palestine, that is. Sermons, Gentiles.

Well now it's time to say goodbye to God and all his kin
They would like to thank you folks for so kindly droppin' in
You see, they don't exist and it was all a fallacy
So get rid of that religion and it's hypocrisy
Lies that is, Welcome to the real world, set a spell.

Y'all come back now here?

yaqakallah

01-31-2007, 11:45 PM

IHS,

Don't be stupid!!! You knopw full well PM was NOT in the pulpit when he had his gun!!!!!!!!

PUH-LEEZE!

Dodge/Observer/whatever.

How empty and lonely you must be....

Athiest go home!

dodge

01-31-2007, 11:51 PM

We athiests ARE home, on FactNet...a place where we can point out dangerous religious fanatics, cults and Bible Thumpers such as yourself, yaq. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. As long as you drones of Murray come here and demonstrate to everyone how obnoxious and arrogant you are, and let us know how twisted your beliefs are, we atheists will be right in your face. Get used to it!

Peace.

(Message edited by dodge on January 31, 2007)

yaqakallah

01-31-2007, 11:57 PM

Dodge,

Great! I'm all for anyone pointing out dangerous cults! BRAVO!. Oh, by the way, just what is my religious beliefs and which Cult am I in....

godchild

02-01-2007, 12:51 AM

kim, I thought you said you watch am. This arkie writes his own bible, has it copywrited, names it the "Shepherds Bible", but its not in use and his follower excuses that by saying it "was only a commentary? Why would a man call his commentary a bible if its not, unless he's a liar. His followers think he's Elias (that the cloud of smoke over Mt.St. Helens proves it cause it "looks just like his face" http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif, so that makes him the end time messenger from God. He tells them Jesus is coming back in a "vehicle", and we're not supposed to think this is a cult. Give me a break. Oh by the way kim, am doesn't use a pulpit. He likes his desk. Once he even pulled out a concrete chunk with a big foot indentation on it and said it was a billion year old "Nephilim" footprint. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif (That's one of those really big giants that built the pyramids, according to him.)Boy, did someone see him coming. Now he sees his followers coming. Hey, whatever works when you want to have access to your own jet and own your own "almost secret" corporation, all tax-free.

dodge

02-01-2007, 01:24 AM

Well, yaqakallah (AKA kimberlyfredrick), it's difficult to separate you from Shepherds Chapel students. There are many posts by you where you align yourself with SC and AM, and even tell us that you are a SC student ("As for the students here which I am one..." post #278, Cultblundrs and Shepherds Chapel Part I). You use the SC term "flesh body," ask Franklin to "...study this Serpent Seed doctrine together," and you infer that you are a SC student by saying "I have noticed that so far no one in the last 3 months that I have been here has ever once tried to save us out of what they may have perceived as a cult with Christian concern and love."

In the "CB and SC Part I" thread, you say that "...everyone who comes here despises us," and "Thank you for proving that SC is not a cult. If you truly felt that it was you would be helping to save us out of it for ourselves and for our families." You said to a critic of SC, "The word 'cult' that you use seems like it is used to demean us..." "How can I be a member of a Cult by just choosing to watch a TV show???"

Although you claim to be a "Sabbatarian," you've said that those who criticize Arnold Murray are "ungodly," and you belong to several forums where Shepherds Chapel students post. You are a member of theseason.org and three other Shepherds Chapel forums, and engage in private discussions with Shepherds Chapel students. You say that your interpretations of Scripture would cause disruption, so you refrain from that. You said that any person who posted anything against keeping the 4th commandment from Saturday to Sunday is not welcome at a site which you belong, and would be permanently banned. You call Jesus "Yahshua," and you defend Arnold Murray here quite a bit. You are good friends with "smyrna" both on and off the forum, and you join them in their attacks against "godchild."

Judging from all the posts I've read coming from you, I would say that you are a student of Shepherds Chapel, who also calls herself a "Sabbatarian."

Do I have this right?

ihavesinned

02-01-2007, 02:23 AM

What type of gun does Arnold recommend? I hear he has a 9mm, but everybody knows the metric system is un-american. I think a good old fashioned .45 is fine for casual occasions, but maybe a chromed revolver with pearl handles for church. You know, a peacemaker?

skooter942000

02-01-2007, 02:46 AM

i-4-One am glad mankind is not our JUDGE.

BTW

MOCKING GOD is a one way ticket to certain PAIN.
- perhaps some here , - (like PAIN).

BTW / the Subject's discussion came to a close
on the fifth post.

- can't accuse when you don't have any facts.

Here are some true FACTS,
- about the FUNNY MAKER HIMSELF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bob_Briggs

Joe Bob Briggs is a pseudonym
and persona of John Irving Bloom

Bloom was raised in Little Rock, Arkansas

8< --- cut ----------------------

Right down the way from S.C. - (Gravette, Ark).

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif - Now thats the POT calling the Kettle BLACK!!!

joe bobs all about the funny,
while showing scantly clothed women
in b-movie "cult films".

- have another beer.

Now i see why this was shared here.
- The humor some have.

A CULT MOVIE MAKER
ON THIS LISTING...

PRETTY "FUNNY" - (ihavesinned)

BTW - Love the moniker.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif
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here is a new subject,
- since the last one is DEAD:

What came first the chicken or the egg.

or - Why don't Turkey's FLY up-wards?

(...GO)

(http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif)

Don <*))><

yaqakallah

02-01-2007, 02:59 AM

Dodge, dodge, Dodge!

Darlin', you still did not answer the question. BUT, Bravo for being sooo interested in my postings!!!!

Cyberstalking??? OOOOO! The big, bad Dodge learned how to research. cut and paste!

I study with a varieity of groups and I try not to point my finger in other people's noses. Like going to Religious threads, say. MorningStar etc and tell them how 'wrong' they are. Boo-Hoo!

I don't delight in causing discord. AND, the last way to win others from abuse in any situation is to tell them off!!!

I do watch PM and I enjoy many of his sermons. Do I agree with him 100%.....Noooooo! Neither do I agree 100% with ANY TEACHINGS OF A MAN, CHURCH, DENOMO ETC.!

Sorry, but I learned to read a great many years ago and my Bible serves me well.

PS... I don't attack Godchild, and I bet she would back me up on this.(sweating here)

But, I'll give ya the points, I am a Sabbatarian who studies with SC. But, that was easy enough!

dodge

02-01-2007, 03:03 AM

It was the egg that came first, according to an article at CNN.com:

LONDON, England -- It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. It was the egg.

Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.

Therefore the first bird that evolved into what we would call a chicken, probably in prehistoric times, must have first existed as an embryo inside an egg.

Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear.

The living organism inside the eggshell would have had the same DNA as the chicken it would develop into, he said.

"Therefore, the first living thing which we could say unequivocally was a member of the species would be this first egg," he added. "So, I would conclude that the egg came first."

The same conclusion was reached by his fellow "eggsperts" Professor David Papineau, of King's College London, and poultry farmer Charles Bourns.

Mr Papineau, an expert in the philosophy of science, agreed that the first chicken came from an egg and that proves there were chicken eggs before chickens.

He told PA people were mistaken if they argued that the mutant egg belonged to the "non-chicken" bird parents.

"I would argue it is a chicken egg if it has a chicken in it," he said.

"If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."

Bourns, chairman of trade body Great British Chicken, said he was also firmly in the pro-egg camp.

He said: "Eggs were around long before the first chicken arrived. Of course, they may not have been chicken eggs as we see them today, but they were eggs."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/26/chicken.egg/

yaqakallah

02-01-2007, 03:03 AM

Godchild,

I've seen the 'fossil foot' but I did not know he made reference to them being responsibe for building the Pyramids. All I can say is...cool!
Really!

smyrna

02-01-2007, 04:38 AM

Godchild's post #4457 is an intentional display of outright lies, misrepresentations, and she knows it, and is just so whacked out that she doesn't care how many people prove her wrong, and how many times they do it.

I've been studying with Pastor Murray for more than fifteen years, and all that she says is not only drivel, but she has been told as much over and over on these threads.

She is just an agitator, pure and simple. Anyone who listens to her believing what she says is a moron.

There is no use dismantling her post point for point. She'll just ignore it, or slither her way out of giving any explanantion for her false accusations.

Look at the way she now claims that "I could have" communicated with John Cody since he uses many aliases.

So she has gone from making a flat out accusation, to now claiming it is just a possibility.

This is a person that most definitely has a mental problem. Anyone can see it after studying these threads.

I'd love to have a real shrink study her posts and tell us their clinical diagnosis.

Mine isn't clinical,but to the point:

She's a pathological liar, who thrives on distorting other's comments here, to further feed her need to hate, whine, and be a constant source of disruption for everyone on threads she visits, whether they are "on her side" or not.

(Message edited by smyrna on January 31, 2007)

smyrna

02-01-2007, 04:54 AM

KIM,

Godchild distorts, as usual,her comments about what Pastor Murray has said about the footprint.

The footprint ias a cast of an actual huge indentation of a footprint in ROCK in a river bed out west. Godchild has NO opinion as to how that, and several other known human type giant foot prints have been found.

In addition, once again Godchild denies something that clearly is mentioned in the Bible, without any help in interpretation.

The Bible speaks of literal giants, describes one of their bed using measurements that have been calculated into our own systems. The same also goes for the spear of the giant named Og, who was the King of Bashan.

I won't go into an entire lecture about the giants. Do a net search if you are interested. Use Biblical Giants to get a variety of opinions and evidnece.

The point is now we can add her denials and doubts that actual giants existed, where they came from, to the list of other things the Bible speaks of that she doubts or denies, such as the Virgin Birth, and the very existence of satan!

Her psychosis is amazing.

By the way, it is Appendix 25 in the Companion Bible that also SPECULATES, that the giants may have had soemthing to do with building the pyramids. Many other researchers share that opinion.
Godchild acts like Murray is the only person who has this opinion. That in itself is just another misrepresentation.

bluewater2

02-01-2007, 05:01 AM

So I guess what this means is that about 1/5 of the world thinks that the bible is fact and the other 4/5ths do not. I can live with that. Giants, virgin birth, and all. And I guess about 1/100th of one percent of the 1/5th think that eve got pounded by a snake. I am glad I am part of the other 4/5ths. Carry on.

yaqakallah

02-01-2007, 03:13 PM

Hey Smyrna,

I have no problems beleiving in giants inhabiting the Earth. The Bible makes clear references to this in more than one place and even goes into detail about the size of their equipment and even the size of one of their iron beds. 18ft long if I remember correctly.

I also have no problem with Genisis 6! Found that out all by myself in private study and was refreshed to find a minister who had the guts to speak of such...AKA PM Himself!!!

Thanks for the info, but I'm right with ya on those 2 items of discussion!!!

yaqakallah

02-01-2007, 03:18 PM

Smyrna,

I did not finish the rest of your post before I posted...LOL!

As for what the companion bible speaks of and PM's interpretation. Godchild should know by know that not every paster nor PM believes in the references in every bible!

godchild

02-01-2007, 04:54 PM

Do I need to dissect every single post for scers to understand. Quote:
Once he even pulled out a concrete chunk with a big foot indentation on it and said it was a billion year old "Nephilim" footprint.

What does am teach the "Nephilim" are: Fallen angels. How old did he say: a billion years. lol
Once you've done a further study of am/sc you'll find they are into Celtic folklore, which they believe are factual evidence for their malarky. Read about the "giants" they are talking about, and you'll find these "giants" were so tall they actually stepped right over from one island to another in one big step. lol Trying to get a scer to explain how one of these "big boys" could have sex with a human woman is pretty useless; they can't and won't even try. They claim to use "common sense and science". lol

I never denied the Bible speaks of "giants". But come on; you have to admit am's giants (from folklore) and biblical giants are not even similar. We still have what we consider "giants" today. I guess scer's believe they are really "Nephilim", those evil angels who sided with satan before they were "cast out". lol It's odd that most people we consider "giants" have perfectly normal-sized parents and grandparents.

That's the problem when people are judged by how they look on the outside. God looks at the inside. Not whether your skin is "white", not by your height, not by where you live, not by your choice of friends, not even who your parents were (according to Jesus); but the heart. You could call it your motives. What good motive do the false doctrines of am/sc and others like him, bring? A warning? I don't think so. NOTHING can separate us from the love of God. Those who lack "faith" will deny this. What bad does it do? Separatism, elitism, self-righteousness, hate, rascism and more. That's the choice you need to make.

(Message edited by godchild on February 01, 2007)

godchild

02-01-2007, 05:10 PM

Back to the subject. am and his followers like to think themselves superior to other ministries (saying they have more "knowledge or hidden things). Yet smyrna and others here have excused am's lack of faith in carrying a firearm and having bodyguards, by saying "other ministers do it". Is that a good excuse for someone who claims to have the protection of God over these "lying preachers" and their congregations?

smyrna and other scers have come here to "defend" am with words. Does a true man of God need defending against what others think of him? Who needs defending if they are teaching truth, which will win out in the end? Only those who live in fear of "personal" humiliation. Do we live to please God or man?

smyrna

02-01-2007, 07:11 PM

Godchild wrote:

"Yet smyrna and others here have excused am's lack of faith in carrying a firearm and having bodyguards, by saying "other ministers do it"

Lack of faith? She's got to be kidding. Peter carried a sword, Godchild thinks it was a butter knife or something. How stupid is that? I suppose Pater cut the soldier's ear off with an exacto knife or nail clipper!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

The Vatican has the Swiss Guard. Was John Paul the II suffering from a "lack of faith" when he was shot five times, despite security measures?

What is this "lack of faith" that Godchild talks about?

Faith in what? That men are really not endowed with free will, and are not allowed to attack religious leaders? Is that what she thinks? How stupid is that?

Are all Churches who lock their doors at night suffering from a lack of faith?

How about the lay person. Does Godchild suffer from a lack of faith because she locks her doors at night, or keeps her money in a bank? I guess she does suffer from a lack of faith, unless she can claim she does absolutely nothing to protect herself, her family, or her possessions.

What a sicko!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

bluewater2

02-01-2007, 07:19 PM

Peter carried a sword. All big time ministers carry guns or have body guards. The pope rides around in a bullet proof box. Jesus said, "Father, why have you forsaken me?" All indicate to me a lack of belief in the hereafter and the promise that all who accept "him" will sit at his right hand behind the pearly gates. Justify this display of a lack of belief in the hereafter anyway you want, but the truth is obvious to those not blinded by religious dogma.

godchild

02-01-2007, 08:07 PM

I don't carry a gun in a briefcase and I don't have bodyguards. Apples and oranges. It is good to lock your doors for everyone's sake. An elderly neighbor with the onset of altzheimer's wandered out one evening and entered another man's apartment, that was unlocked. Thank God neither of them were injured. Common sense is one thing; paranoia another.

(Message edited by godchild on February 01, 2007)

ihavesinned

02-01-2007, 08:12 PM

Am I reading this right? Does Arnold claim to have a fossilized footprint from a giant or an angel or something?

( on a side note, a kid I went to school with used to sell spray-painted chunks of an old house foundation as pieces of the Berlin wall...)

skooter942000

02-01-2007, 08:53 PM

Bluewater (about protecting ourselves).

- is this LAWFUL (Y/N)?

Do you?
Would you?

WE are taught to be wiser than the serpent.
- He hates us (Just look around).

Misery loves company.

Terrorists desire to MURDER us,
(If we do not convert).

There are CHRISTIAN POLICEMEN.
They carry guns to protect others.

When living in a RURAL area.
People have to protect themselves.

Caring a weapon in ARK is legal.

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And i have an agitator in my washing machine.
- Helps clean my clothes. - (get it)?

Trials will COME.

Will this help here - (Smyrna)?

http://www.ehow.com/how_9387_remove-washing-machine.html

Sometimes the agitator will get broken or crack. It's important to replace it promptly or you will find tears and rips in your clothes.

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- A little "Comedy" is GOOD

- Stand tall Brethren.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

Don <*))><

skooter942000

02-01-2007, 09:09 PM

The Chicken came first.
- Check (GENESIS 2)

Can't have a fertilized EGG without a ROOSTER.
Can't have babies without a rooster.
Can't have Eggs without a Momma HEN.

GEN 2

MAN came first, before a conception took place.

MAN came before an EGG ,

- (Woman have the Eggs BTW) http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

- MAN-KIND came before PROGENY

similar thinking should guide one to the Correct
Answer here.

- EVIL-UTION aside

Don <*))><

bluewater2

02-01-2007, 09:43 PM

Skooter, you are obviously a creative individual. If your desire is to communicate, at least with me, you will have to be a little more straight forward and not so creative and cryptic. I am probably not as smart as you. So, if you have something to say that you would like a response to, please help me here. Thanks.

rachelengland

02-01-2007, 09:50 PM

IHS said.. ( on a side note, a kid I went to school with used to sell spray-painted chunks of an old house foundation as pieces of the Berlin wall...)

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

sharon

02-01-2007, 10:33 PM

Skooter...do not be to sure. For if a baby in the womb is not given the first of three shots of testosterone that it gets in its life then it stays a female. That first flood of testosterone changes the child into a male. As is with all animals. So what does that tell you?
Just a funny little side bar. Hope you do not mind!

smyrna

02-02-2007, 12:03 AM

Whackchild wrote:

"I don't carry a gun in a briefcase and I don't have bodyguards.Apples and oranges."

Godchild is not (THANKFULLY)the pastor of a large Church with a ministry that is broadcast over the entire planet. To compare herself with Murray's position is disingenuous.(and silly)

So is her attitude that Murray shouldn't take steps to defend himself from the likes of the man who invaded the studio.

In addition, notice she says nothing about the security surrounding the other ministers of high profile, like Roberston, Graham, the Pope, etc.

And, she also did not have much to say about her lack of faith, (that charge based upon her own "reasoning")that would neccsessitate her leaving her doors unlocked,her money on her front porch,her keys in the car, etc, because God will keep anyone from stealing or harming her.

She claims Murray is "paranoid."

Another ridiculous charge, especially after the whack job that caused such a disturbance in his studio.

Hey, just knowing that people like Godchild are spewing their inflammatory, hate filled rage all over the 'net about the SC, its students, and Murray, is enough for anyone in their right mind to agree that Murray and other religious leaders should have security that is reasonable considering their positions. Which, of course, excludes Godchild.

dodge

02-02-2007, 12:18 AM

Smyrna calls "godchild" "whackchild." This sort of rhetoric is common for ShepChaps to use against "detractors," i.e. those who disagree with them...disrespect, name-calling, humiliation, character assassination and general rude and antagonistic ways of communicating. "godchild" must be a very effective critic, judging from all the posts by her and other SC students aimed at destroying her credibility.

"godchild," you go girl. I judge your credibility as a critic in direct proportion to these ShepChaps' attacks on you. I admire your tenacity against these arrogant deluded followers of "Murray the Gun" and his band of kooks.

godchild

02-02-2007, 02:15 AM

Thank you, dodge. Yes, ihs, that's what he said. Held it right up there for his kids to see. 2007 is the last year for us, folks, according to ol am. He's getting up there in years, I guess he thinks he has to be here for the big battle, being a marine and all. If you go to theseason.org, then the fig tree, you can read it all for yourself. Now why didn't these good figs warn us? The title of the thread is "current events 2007". Geez, abi didn't even know about it.

smyrna

02-02-2007, 06:26 AM

The problem with people like Dodge,is that it is seemingly impossible for them to acknowledge any negative behaviors on the part of those they find common ground with.

Just in the past two weeks, Godchild has falsely accused at least four people of things she could not prove, and were also proven to be mere inventions.

In addition, she has called us more names than anyone could accurately count,over the past two years,and Dodge conveniently ignores that in order to prop Godchild up as well as himself, as infallible oracles of truth, which they are both far from.

So Dodge, if you want to be Godchild's personal cheerleading squad, hey, you go for it.

That woman has her own group of detractors, and they are NOT all SC students. And you are absolutely blind and biased to that,which damages your own credibility.

Also, we don't have to to do anything to "destroy her credibility" as she has done well enough in that regard on her own.

That you choose to ignore the facts that are so easily had in these threads, that she has no credibility, is your problem.

And Dodge, I must point out your hypocrisy: In the same post where you state "This sort of rhetoric is common for ShepChaps to use against "detractors," i.e. those who disagree with them...disrespect, name-calling, humiliation..." you also use your own version of those things when you say in the very same post: "I admire your tenacity against these arrogant deluded followers of "Murray the Gun" and his band of kooks."

Birds of a feather...

sharon

02-02-2007, 01:48 PM

Well without all the name calling and gun waving how does such behavior from a man claiming to have faith in the Lord sit with those he leads? me I would not follow anyone who does not follow Jesus.

If you were to come and attack me, I would not have a gun on my person for the Lord is with me, so who can stand against me.
Pastor Murray is a leader, should he not lead. Do all those who follow him need weapons? Where is he leading you to. Just think of Jesus with a gun, or waving it to gain control. Does that picture seem right?
The Lord did this for you, so you could see how this man is not following Jesus, or scripture. The truth often is ugly and hard to accept, but we must do so when we see the truth, because if we do not accept it this time next time will be harder.
I know that you do not want to hear this, but truth is truth no matter where it comes from, and this time it came from the horses mouth, or briefcase so to speak. Do not stand by those who do not follow Jesus, for they do not know the road, and are going in the wrong direction.
When you think of him think of Jesus, and see if you can even imagine Jesus waving a gun in a room full of innocent people, mostly his own! This fear of his, not fear of the Lord but fear of man, and very wrong.
Did you not wonder that his own child called him insane? What of the fruits that he bares? Would one of your own children call you insane in public? Do they hate you that much?
I will say this, stupid people do not fall into these traps. It is like many things, the opposite is true. Why do you think the smarter a person is the easier it is to hypnostis them? Why do you think the Moonies go after college students? I am not sure why this is but it is, and I can see it working now.

godchild

02-02-2007, 05:55 PM

So smyrna doesn't want to talk about the "end-time being 2007" according to am, who he follows. He would rather make comments about persons. I'm nobody special. Just a human being. Why do my words have such an effect on smyrna and his fellows? Is it because they are truth that he can't face? His foolish pride over this will be his undoing.

This is what I believe. "Whether I live or die, I am the Lord's." If I didn't believe God was in control, then where is my faith in Him?

angie0401

02-02-2007, 07:56 PM

This fear of his, not fear of the Lord but fear of man, and very wrong.
Did you not wonder that his own child called him insane?
What in the world are you talking about?

Also, sharon, just because someone chooses to defend themselves doesn't mean they don't follow Jesus. I am positive that I have heard David Munson say that he owns at least one gun - does that mean he doesn't love and follow Jesus? Of course not! Billy Graham has a security detail - does he not follow Jesus?

Do you wear a seatbelt Sharon? Did you put your children in carseats when they were little? Did you keep them in your sight when you were out in public? If so, does that mean there is a lack of faith on your part or that you realize there is evil in this world and we must be wise and use the common sense God gave us?

You are stuck in your hate for Pastor Murray and can't get past it. I hope you remember that the same measure you use to judge others will also be used to measure you.

godchild

02-02-2007, 10:10 PM

Odd that none of the scer's want to talk about am's new prophesy. Why keep it quiet? Shouldn't you be busy packing your bags and stocking up? One month is already gone. I saw where am says it will be in the spring but he got really pe-od when someone called in asking him if it was March or May. That doesn't give you very long. Let's see if you all have changed between now and, let's say June. This I gotta see. Will you be leaving in one of the "vehicles". Oh, that's right. You want to stick around for the big battle. I sure hope none of you sc girls get pregnant. That will mean you are carrying satan's seed, right?

Has angie warned her Baptist brethren, I wonder? Has Smyrna warned the Catholic Church, where he claims to teach? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

godchild

02-02-2007, 10:13 PM

ihavesinned

02-02-2007, 10:59 PM

somebody tell me about the fossilized angel footprints...

bluewater2

02-02-2007, 11:03 PM

I think that, in cases like these, even the stalwart supporters know when to keep their mouths shut.

ihavesinned

02-02-2007, 11:30 PM

Oh well, I wish I could find video from that episode...Fossil angel prints, that almost ranks up there with Leroy Jenkins' miracle water, or Robert Tilton's annointed prayer cloths.

You know, christianity is a lot like Gilligan's Island. The end just keeps getting dragged out far beyond the point of good taste...

frankenchrist

02-03-2007, 12:04 AM

And it contains about the same amout of factual information as Gilligan's Island.

bluewater2

02-03-2007, 12:11 AM

The sad reality is that there will always be those that put logic and reason on the back burner and just eat this stuff up. They will continue to believe that people like Tilton, Robertson, Schueler, Murray, Roberts, Kennedy, Dobson and the rest have some purpose beyond preying on peoples weakness to line their own pockets. Luckily, and it is easy to forget sometimes, a minority of the world believes that christianity is the one true way and even a smaller portion than that think like these people in this topic.

godchild

02-03-2007, 01:56 AM

I want to share this information that was recently shared on cultbusters.com.au.

Here is a link to Shepherds Chapel occupational license

http://www.sosweb.state.ar.us/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=245051&corp_type_id=&corp_ name=&agent_search=&agent_city=Gravette&agent_stat e=AR&filing_number=&cmd=

And you can view am's ministry license here:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w235/Shadow_Cat_2007/ministerslic---1.jpg

As you can see it is from the Soldiers of the Cross, which was a paramilitary school in Colorado founded and run by Kenneth Goff, and signed by Kenneth Goff.

If you do a little research on Kenneth Goff, you will find he has been famous for his antisemitic writings for years.

You will also notice Roy Gillespie also signed am's license to be a minister. According to investigators, Gillespie has denied being the college professor where am claimed he got his doctorate. Now am and scer's say its not important to even have a doctorate. If it wasn't important, why lie about it, unless you have something to hide. You will also notice on Arkansas Government Corp. records, am's corporation name is Soldiers of the Cross, and Shepherds Chapel Church is listed beside fictitious names.

If you follow am and are not rascist, please investigate who you are following in the name of God.

smyrna

02-03-2007, 09:43 AM

Godchild is really grasping at straws. I don't care what is in Murray's past. I think he's a great teacher. I also think that even if he had racist sentiments when he was younger, it does not take away or add to his current way of thinking.

How many southern senators and congressmen were admitted racists in those days? Guys like Strom Thurman and others. Times and people change.

Godchild is just so full of hatred, she has long ago lost any sense of tolerance, reason, and understanding.

She's like those stupid politicians who want to go back twenty or thirty years in people's pasts
to dig up dirt on them. As we see in politics,
it hasn't been working lately.

So in closing,let me add that Godchild can keep on wasting her time with this stuff,because I'm goin to support the SC for the rest of my life, and even am going to give another extra donation to the Chapel with Godchild's real name on it!

It's funny that you can write any name on a Postal Money order and send it to anyone!\clipart
{rofl}

From: Vivian Hetherton Hadden

Pay the amount of: $100 to Shepherd's Chapel

I've done it three times so far, and it's just as funny as the first time I did it!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

smyrna

02-03-2007, 09:49 AM

To the idiots that think we are ducking the issue of prophacy talk at figtree:

I am trying to find out what they are talking about over there. I'm not like the detractors, who just claim stuff without any real research.

And when I get to the bottom of it, I'm sure that it will be nothing close to what Godchild and the other clowns are claiming, which is nothing new.

david_munson

02-03-2007, 03:28 PM

Angie said,"I have heard David Munson say that he owns at least one gun".
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Yes this is true I own more than one firearm.
I also teach safety to children and proper handling so they will be satisfied with their curiosity and will be safety minded at all times.

I teach also that shoot to kill is not what is done in a defensive situation.
Shoot to stop.
As soon as a mortal threat is "disabled" one is responcible to stop the defensive shooting.
Never ever shoot an attacker in the back because his back to you means that the threat is over.
Never continue to shoot an attacker who falls as he has been stopped.
When possible ,wound and capture is prefered.
I don't advocate deadly force unless there is no other option available.
besides all that ,firearms are for more than just defense.There is a world of competition shooting and it is a blast.(pun intended)

The gun is just another tool to be used properly as it was meant to be used.
Just like a car or a hammer it has it's uses.

Personally I really like bow hunting myself.As well as competetive archery.
Weapons can be entertaining if they are used with the safety and respect that are required.

A fishing rod is also a part of my weaponry.
I kill fish and eat them.
Now that's a delicious sport.

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sharon

02-03-2007, 04:02 PM

I do take it David that you do not take your Gun into the house of the Lord or any prayer meetings do you? I mean even in the days of the old west the men left their weapons outside or at home. Decent men,God fearing men. So I am guessing you were not waving your gun around in church?

Smyrna you are now sending money in Godchilds name? Kind of expensive laughs there my friend, I think she is getting the last laugh on this one.

yaqakallah

02-03-2007, 07:00 PM

Very good point there Smyrna!

As children we beleive as our parents did. As we get older, we learn to think for ourselves. I cannot remember wehere in the OT this teaching is. But, it goes like this:

A righteous man who in his last 3 months of life becomes a sinner is judeged by God as a sinner. A sinner, who in his last 3 months of life becomes a righteous man is judeged by God as a righteous man.

bluewater2

02-03-2007, 07:34 PM

"A sinner, who in his last 3 months of life becomes a righteous man is judeged by God as a righteous man." How convenient. Ted Bundy is happy about that one.

skooter942000

02-03-2007, 07:42 PM

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze018.html#1

Eze 18:24 ¶ But when the righteous turneth away
from his righteousness, and committeth
iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the
abominations that the wicked [man] doeth,
shall he live? All his righteousness that he
hath done shall not be mentioned: in his
trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his
sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

"ALMIGHTY GOD" is very FAIR.

All should look to the Future.
A day of reckoning is fast approaching.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great,
stand before God; and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is
[the book] of life: and the dead were judged
out of those things which were written in the
books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which
were in it; and death and hell delivered up
the dead which were in them: and they were
judged every man according to their works.

Now think of all the posts here.
- And their TRUE INTENTIONS.

"YAH" is the CARDIO KNOWER. (Heart Knower)

"ALMIGHTY GOD" is going to be quite busy it seems.
- (in the Very Near Future)

- REPENTANCE is a GIFT

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(http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif)

- Hey KIM,
(very Happy you found a Goodly Job).

The LORD is always ABLE.

Don <*))><

yaqakallah

02-03-2007, 08:56 PM

Hey Skooter,

Thanks for the Scriptural reference!!! And thanks for the congrats on my new job.

YHVH rules!!!

godchild

02-04-2007, 08:38 AM

Let's see if I can break smyrna's bank acct. lol

Has any person ever heard am say he has repented of what he has taught in the last 40 years or so, since he started preaching?

If you don't have real-player, its a free download. Then listen to this:

A friend thought you'd like this streaming media. Play it now with your RealPlayer
http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=Judah%20is%20Germany%2 062384&link=http%3A%2F%2Fchristianparty.net%2FJuda hisGermany.r

I just listened to it this evening. am plainly says that the so-called Jews who live in Jerusalem are only called Jews because of residency. He called it a difference in being a "resident of Jerusalem" or a "son of Judah". He said they are not sons of Judah, that they are Kenites. He said this flat out.

He also said he doesn't talk about these things on television because it would cause people harm.

Many others think he doesn't talk about it because he'll lose his license to air his program. I think he is just as afraid that his followers who are too ignorant to understand he teaches rascism will leave. Now, if you still want to follow him, then don't deny you are rascist pigs! Because there is no denying he is a rascist, and since he still lies about his "doctorate", which here is proven he got it from a rascist/communist/neo-nazi group of men, he hasn't changed one bit. And you know it.

THAT IS A SURE SIGN THAT YOU ARE BRAINWASHED WHICH MAKES AM/SC A CULT!!!!! IF IT ISN'T BRAINWASHING YOU ARE AS EVIL AS HE IS, AND JUST AS GUILTY, AND WILL FACE THE LORD ONE DAY TO ANSWER WHY YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE TRUTH WHEN IT WAS SO CLEAR!

You know, when I read that "ministerial certificate" of his and learned more about those men, I felt the deepest sense of pity for you people.

In his answer to critics he lies again when he says the only group he is affiliated with is the "Chosin Few".

smyrna

02-04-2007, 01:26 PM

Sorry, that file does not play, I'm getting a 404 error.

In any case, if that was Murray's opinion forty or so years ago, or whatever, that is his opinion. But he also is not calling for them to be killed, jailed, or any harm done to them, because he knows full well the teaching of the wheat and the tares.

So Godchild can go around spewing all this stuff, but I can assure everyone the Chapel will not suffer any loss of students or otherwise be adversely affected because of the garbage Godchild and other shave been spreading.
After all, the SC has been attacked by so many, yet it is still going strong.

Not one peep about the Chapel has come from the Jewish Defense League, or any other group that fights anti-semitism, so let's keep that in mind while determining the veracity of Godchild's and other's claims.

The beauty of it all is that her credibility has been shot for a long time, so she can claim all sorts of stuff.

I do want to hear that file, because based upon Godchild's history of making false claims and twisting people's words, taking them out of context and so forth, I definitely have to check out the audio for myself. I'd also like to know when and where he supposedly said these things.

Racist pigs? My my, such language. I guess I'm going to have to find one of Godchild's posts where she complains about us name calling. Hypocrisy is always something we can prove the detractors are clearly guilty of.

On another subject, I wonder how Godchild sleeps a night knowing she is calling us racists, heretics, etc, all based on false accusations, while at the same time she is denying satan exists, doubts the Virgin birth of Christ, etc.

david_munson

02-04-2007, 02:41 PM

Sharon,
no I do not take my sidearm into any church gathering that I might attend.
I secure it and then lock it up first.

As a martial artist I can handle myself quite well.So my first action is to use my skills to avoid mortal injury to the attacker when I can.

I have had to help remove a person from church that was being extremely unruly.
(standing up shouting (screaming) out things to be disruptive.)
We over powered him and where careful not to harm him.
Hey, the guy was out of his mind.Why hurt him?

After we took him outside we gathered around him and prayed for him until he calmed down.
He was able to return to service without any further incidents.
(it was a spiritual problem that he had)

Even at that,there where people in the security teem that carried firearms at that time.
No one drew theirs or even mentioned that they had sidearms.
The guy was unarmed and was only screaming.
No one felt threatened by his actions but we did need to remove him for the sake of decency and order.

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godchild

02-04-2007, 05:00 PM

Is it odd that smyrna can't play that file when others have/can? Is it odd that the studies at theseason.org (by Roger Christopherson, a student of am/sc) are considered opinion by smyrna. Even lectures given by am are considered by smyrna to be "opinion". Yet he has been a faithful follower of am/sc, according to him, for over 15 years. Is that odd?

Let's see what the moderator (Reine) at theseason.org tells the students and visitors there when asked about copying the studies:

Shamrocked
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Kicksdragon,

Your note is very appreciated, and I will pass your thanks onto Roger as well. You are right about the studies being in the same Spirit as the Chapel, as both Roger and myself, and those who have worked on the studies with Roger are SC students and we try to refer as many people as we can to the Chapel as possible.

If you want to share the studies you can cut and paste excerpts (excerpt being the key word there) at other web destinations along with a link back to the library. That's all we ask. The disclaimer is about not posting entire chapters or studies because then people argue Roger's words and not the Word's words... among other things.

So I hope that helps... you can always leave a 'breadcrumb' (excerpt with a link back to the library) on a forum and see who bites (visits).

Agape,
Reine
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Is anybody one bit surprised that while defending the teachings of/and the man am, smyrna says everything shared here is lies? Does it surprise anybody when smyrna feigns ignorance about all this info. when he claims to prowl the internet looking for sites that are anti-am/sc to try and defend it. All this makes who the liar?

Has one person seen a scer state here that am/sc has ever decided the past doctrines he taught are wrong and unbiblical? Does even one of them have evidence to show that am/sc has repented of these past "opinions" publicly or otherwise? Has am/sc ever posted or openly stated a disclaimer about any of his past teachings?

Who is lying, and why? The answer should be obvious.

dodge

02-04-2007, 06:26 PM

David, you said that your church has an armed security team. Why?

godchild

02-04-2007, 09:05 PM

If am/sc is no longer involved with the rascist/neo-nazi/communists that signed his ministerial license, why is his corporation still under their name, "Soldiers of the Cross"?

And didn't he say in his "answers to critics" that the only group he is affiliated with is "the chosin few"?

smyrna

02-04-2007, 11:22 PM

Godchild wrote: "Is it odd that smyrna can't play that file when others have/can?"

No, whack job, it's not odd, since I'm using a computer at work that does not have Realplayer, apparently,or any program to run it. Your assinine approach to making wild assumptions is one of your problems.

The rest of your post is also so ridiculous, that anyone with common sense does not need an explanation from me to see the folly in it.

By the way, show me with Scripture where St. Paul explained he does not hate Christians anymore, because your so-called logic would need to draw a comparison with the situation here, with Pastor Murray's past, and Paul's past as a Pharisee.

Show me where Paul said he was no longer a Christ hating Pharisee, who tortured Christians.

I guess we can add Godchild's assumption that Paul never really converted to her list of Biblical denials. Because you can't apply one form of logic to one situation, and not to the other similar situation.

Knowing Godchild, she'll probably say that Paul couldn't do that, because he didn't have a TV program!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

02-05-2007, 09:04 AM

There you go again, comparing am with the apostles. You should give that up. am's proven to be a false prophet. His '81 end of world prophesy didn't come true.

I do like that you compare "Saul" to am, though. quote: pastor murray's past.

It appears you are admitting that am was a Jew hater at one time. Now, try to find out, since you are so "in the know", why the corporation under his name is titled "Soldiers of the Cross". Are you afraid to question him?

If you aren't just like him (one of his kids), then you should want to know just what your money is going to. That's just my opinion, of course. Unless you know you are supporting an anti-government/communist/neo-nazi organization. None of you scer's seem to mind that his license to minister came from these people. The license does not say he has a doctorate in religious education either. He should drop the phoney DR. in front of his name, don't you think. Unless you don't care that he's as phoney as a three dollar bill.

Has he ever mentioned where he preached before sc? That's okay. I don't expect an answer from you. At least not an honest one.

You lied again when you denied he said he is only a member of the chosin few:
In Answer to Critics
by Pastor Arnold B. Murray

I also should point out to those not familiar with the Shepherd's Chapel that we are completely independent; therefore we are not affiliated with any other church, denomination or group. As a matter of record, the only group of which I am a member is with the "Chosin Few" which is a group of Korean War veterans comprised of various military factions who fought in one of the more famous battles of that war. I am very proud to have served as a U.S. Marine in this severe winter battle in which approximately 12,000 of our troops faced a massive surprise attack by an estimated 120,000 of the Chinese communist enemy.
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When he faced the communist enemy, did he join them?

smyrna

02-05-2007, 01:58 PM

Godchild, wrote:"There you go again, comparing am with the apostles. You should give that up. am's proven to be a false prophet. His '81 end of world prophesy didn't come true."

Godchild has very poor reading comprehnsion.It is very poor. Got that so far Godchild?

Your very opoor reading comprehension has caused you to claim that I was comparing Pastor Murray to the Apostles, when in FACT I was comparing their siutations, situations caused by enemies with similar common traits. And one of those enemies is you.

Then you bring up that '81 "prophecy" that I still have not seen any evidence of. No tape, no video, only statements on websites by anti-chapel people, who as we have seen over and over are prone to make up things.

So with no tape or video, your allegation means nothing.

Then Godchild accuses Murray of lying, when he said he belonged only to the Korean Veteran's Group the Chosin Few, and tries to mix past tense with present tense. Maybe he was a part of some "Soldiers of the Cross" but at the same time, you claim that is the real name of the non-profit entity that covers the SC. Ok, if that is the case, the SC IS the Soldiers of the Cross.

If someone else uses or used that name in the past, so what? It proves no connection. How may "Churches of God" are there in this world?

I went to a school, called St. John's. How many St. John's are there in the world? They can't be all connected with the same Church, because some are Catholic, some are Lutheran, etc.

The problem with Godchild is that she conveniently fails to consider there are other alternative views other than just the one that helps her further her agenda of intolerance, and hatred.

One more thing Godchild fails to see about herself is that after more than 4,500 posts of hers, we know she doesn't like Pastor Murray, the SC, or anyone who is a student of the SC.

The point here is, none of us really care what she thinks, she is just a form of entertainment for us. She can rant and rave all she wants, but since she has proven to be nothing but an agitating, whining, sniveling, miserable liar and hypocrite, and this is known by way more people than just the SCer here, it's like she is the class clown of FactNet.

If anyone doubts that, then go to the non-chapel threads she posts at, and check them out.

smyrna

02-05-2007, 02:14 PM

MAYBE GODCHILD'S "SPECIAL UNDERWEAR" IS TOO TIGHT!

Thank you Kim, for this very "revealing"http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif post!

Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 2:52 pm:

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You know, like how Godchild 'beleived' for 25 years(or was it 25 years ago) that she was an elite member of God, belonging to the 'only true Church' on the face of the earth....ie, The Morman church. That she believed that a man, Joseph Smith was 'the Prophet of God' and that he alone 'saw' God and Jesus face to face and that it was his destiney to set us all 'right' with the 'truth'. That the Bible was corrupt and he had to re-write it. That blacks were the son's of Ham and cursed for life. That Blacks were not allowed to be member's of 'God's true Church'. That polygimey is OK in God's eyes and it was OK for Morman's to murder anyone who despised them. that Morman's were the only one's who could save the dead from eternal damnation thru secret rituials which entailed praying for the dead. That you were not 'really' married unless wed in the morman Temple and sealed for all eternity in Heaven were you could regain your sexual relations after your earthly death....I could go on and on......BUT, I think we all can 'relate' to where I am going with this....

Hey godchild, do you still wear your 'secret' Morman underwear? You know, the one's that protect your Chastity and from the evil workings of Satan???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

david_munson

02-05-2007, 03:17 PM

Dodge,
that was a church I attended years ago.
I have serious doctrinal issues with the teachings they use to gain control over the flock.
For many years the "pastor" used manipulation and doctrinal twisting to avoid accountability while he commited adultery ,fraud ,theft and abuses both physyical and spiritual against the flock.

This is still ongoing through the usurped leadership that remains.
See GREATER BRACE WORLD OUTREACH on these boards and you will see wickedness at it's worst.
Unrepentant wickedness.

Even more precise on the doctrinal error is
www.discussggwo.org (http://www.discussggwo.org)
Or
www.Carlstevens.org (http://www.Carlstevens.org)
Very enlightening.

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godchild

02-05-2007, 09:13 PM

I think I have made it plain that I left the mormon church 21 years ago. I was a member from the time I was 13. Being a child, I wanted to please my parents, naturally, and joined with them. I left in 1986 when I truly understood they teach that men will be gods. They don't teach that to most mormons; its not something they discuss in sunday school class. In the mormon church, you must be considered "worthy" to learn all their cultic doctrines. I was never considered that worthy because I seldom attended sacrament meetings, I smoked cigs and drank alcohol. Although I read the bom once, I found it to be a boring story about groups of men fighting other groups of men over and over again, having little to do with Christianity. It talked about Jesus visiting America after His resurrection (similar to the sc belief that the apostle Jeremiah went to Britian or Ireland, whichever). They also taught (as scer's do) that we were spirit children in heaven before coming to earth. (not unlike scer's they also believe they are the "true Jews". Much of mormon doctrine was rascist. I was raised in a rascist family, and never felt comfortable about that. The older I got, the more I realized the evil in that kind of teaching and thinking. One more thing similar in mormon and sc teaching is that js and am both used/use the Book of Enoch and other books not considered inspired by God.

Being an "unworthy mormon" I never went to the temple. In the first place, I lived far distant from any temple. So no, I've never worn the undergarments, that I agree are ridiculous. I had a spiritual awakening in 1986, even though I thank God that as a child I went to a Baptist Church with my grandmother, and was first baptized there, so I considered myself a Christian. God has dealt with me mercifully, and I am blessed every day for leaving that cult and standing against all cults who preach "man" instead of God. I will be happy to answer any further questions. Since I left the mormon church, I have not and will not place my name on the membership rolls of any man-made church or organization.

smyrna

02-05-2007, 09:43 PM

Godchild wrote: "I think I have made it plain that I left the mormon church 21 years ago."

That doesn't matter any more than what occurred in Murray's past doesn't matter to you, that you choose that as a new way to attack him.

Godchild also wrote: "One more thing similar in mormon and sc teaching is that js and am both used/use the ***Book of Enoch*** and other books not considered inspired by God.

More insane ignorance. The Book of Enoch is part of the CANON of the Ethiopian Church:

"Whilst this book (Enoch)does not form part of the Canon of Scripture for the larger Christian Churches, various groups, including the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, regard parts or all of 1 Enoch to be inspired Scripture." Source: Wilkepdia

Let me also remind the "scholarly" Godchild that the Book of Enoch was quoted in Jude, a New Testament book.

The rest of Godchild's post is a rambling of excuses. I'm sure she still harbors those strange beliefs, maybe even practices the rituals.

After all, I have just as much a right to speculate about the repurcussions of her involvement with the Mormons as she does with her clownish "research' and subsequent insane speculations regarding Pastor Murray.

Most people think Mormons are whackos. Perhaps Godchild, being an admitted "unworthy mormom" because she is a boozer, can be seen as even a bit more looney than they are.

Godchild also wrote: "I have not and will not place my name on the membership rolls of any man-made church or organization."

Good! Sounds like you are ready to join the only Church actually founded by Jesus Himself.

"Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church."

After all, Christs's Church is not made up of a bunch of Godchilds roaming the Internet claiming private revelation, as she and Frankie do. It is clear they consider themselves Biblical authorites, as they toss around the term "heretic" at anyone who does not agree with them.

And in Godchild's case, she is moving farther and farther away from the accepted Christian doctrines of MOST if not ALL Churches.

I wonder what reception she would get, if she started running aorund telling different Churches that Moses did not write the Torah, that satan really does not exist, or that Joseph was really Jesus's true father, even Mary admitted it!

Oh yeah, I know, Godchild later found out that he was Jesus' "legal" father, but not until after she openly doubted the Virgin birth for many days. Just a digression to show how unlearned she is, in addition to my comments above.

smyrna

02-12-2007, 06:09 AM

Here is yet another thread Godchild is avoiding, because she can't explain the positions outlined in my post above.

Her nonsense and her diversions will not make thse issues go away.

If she does not want to discuss why she doesn't beleive that satan exists, or why she thinks the Torah was not written by Moses, or why she trivializes the Book of Enoch, which even the Book of Jude quoted, all she has to do is say so.

But ducking these issues makes her seem a bit, well, dishonest.

I get a feeling that those big red letters are about to reappear! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

david_munson

02-12-2007, 01:35 PM

"Source: Wilkepdia".

Not a very good source at all.
Wickapedia is edited by any one who cares to sign up to do it.
Any one.
That's not something that a knowledgeable person would use as an equitable source.

Wickapedeia ,where words can mean anything except what they where intended to mean.
Just place your own definition on the sight.

I know,I've done it.

Just thought I'd throw that in FYI.
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Now back to your regularly scheduled debate/discussion/argument/fight/insult/accusation/tesimony/lie/truth/speculation/intimation/proclaimation/defamation/communication/personal attack/moment of edification/and disagreement.

Hey, whata ya want.I just woke up,LOL.

Peace through Christ,
Dave

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abiyah

02-12-2007, 06:36 PM

Smyrna WROTE:
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QUOTE: " You know, like how Godchild 'beleived' for 25 years(or was it 25 years ago) that she was an elite member of God, belonging to the 'only true Church' on the face of the earth....ie, The Morman church. That she believed that a man, Joseph Smith was 'the Prophet of God' and that he alone 'saw' God and Jesus face to face and that it was his destiney to set us all 'right' with the 'truth'. That the Bible was corrupt and he had to re-write it. That blacks were the son's of Ham and cursed for life. That Blacks were not allowed to be member's of 'God's true Church'. That polygimey is OK in God's eyes and it was OK for Morman's to murder anyone who despised them. that Morman's were the only one's who could save the dead from eternal damnation thru secret rituials which entailed praying for the dead. That you were not 'really' married unless wed in the morman Temple and sealed for all eternity in Heaven were you could regain your sexual relations after your earthly death....I could go on and on......BUT, I think we all can 'relate' to where I am going with this.... " END QUOTE
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WOE... I never knew this is what the mormon church believed. I mean... I was aware of the false prophet of God... but I was not aware of many of their religious beliefs or teachings.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

Abiyah

skooter942000

02-12-2007, 08:16 PM

Hey Abiyahhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

That is not a CHURCH , i would want to be associated with.

But many members are very LOVING CARING PEOPLE.

- JUDGMENT begins ,(At the Pulit).

teaching the BEAUTIFUL BLACK RACE ,
(came to be From SIN), - "IS" "A" "SIN"!!!

& That's racist!!!
= Discernment

"OUR HOLY FATHER", (on JUDGMENT DAY),
- will be pretty busy. (just look around)

......satan sucks

smyrna

02-12-2007, 08:40 PM

Munsun,

I agree what Wilkepdia can be edited by anyone. However, It was a quick source to site, and is usually reliable regarding subjects that are quite well known, at least to those who are knowledgeable in certain fields.

And in this case, the Book of Enoch IS well known, well respected,and Godchild once again completely blew it, by trivializing it, and criticizing anyone's use of it.

Besides that, Enoch was quoted in the Book of Jude, but either Godchild didn't know this, (the most likely reason) or she foolishly thought that no one else did.

That reason alone should be enough for you too, Munsun, to agree that her criticism was not only unwarrented, but borne of pure ignorance.

And if it isn't enough, then also consider that the Ethiopian Church included Enoch in its canonical collection of books, in other words, their Bible, which automatically places Enoch in a very sacred and special category for that Church.

It is also very well known to scholars that Enoch is also respected among many other Jewish and Christian groups, so Godchild is way off base once again, and I can't believe that you would even entered this discussion appearing that you are siding with that nutcase.

abiyah

02-12-2007, 08:53 PM

Skooter WROTE:
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QUOTE: " That is not a CHURCH , i would want to be associated with.

But many members are very LOVING CARING PEOPLE.
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifGood Afternoon to you Skooter;

And Peace & Grace unto you FROM our Lord & Saviour Jesus The Christ. With regard to your above comment... indeed, this is why I put a http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif face in my post... for truly it is sad, how that God's Children have been mislead. And though I know not a one, I'm sure there are many very good hearted, loving people within this type church. 

Skooter WROTE:
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QUOTE: " teaching the BEAUTIFUL BLACK RACE ,
(came to be From SIN), - "IS" "A" "SIN"!!!

& That's racist!!! " END QUOTE
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Indeed this is a racist teaching with regard to the black race..... just awful. It is not only a racist teaching, IT IS A FALSE teaching, its NOT True, for it is Written that God looked at all the human races, mankind in which He had created on the sixth day, and saw that it was not only good, but rather that is was "VERY GOOD" [Genesis 1:31]. 

Skooter WROTE:
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QUOTE: " ......satan sucks ' END QUOTE
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Indeed he does "suck", very wicked and subtle ...this one is. And your above quote here has made me think back... when I was a teenager, and my best friend's Mom [ A real 'church' going woman] would always tell us " you know... the devil is a LIAR. " And indeed satan is a liar !

Agape Skooter,

Abiyah

david_munson

02-13-2007, 02:40 PM

Smyrna,
my comment was about wickapedia as a source.
Not about what you and Godchild are discussing.
Don't put words in my mouth or presume to speak for me,
please.
It is disengenous at best.

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skooter942000

02-13-2007, 08:33 PM

and about the BUNDY comment by Blue...

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a
murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath
eternal life abiding in him.

- Not (yet)

- They will have to WAIT,
...and SEE.

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RE: from bluewater
A sinner, who in his last 3 months of life becomes a righteous man is judeged by God as a righteous man." How convenient. Ted Bundy is happy about that one.

arron

02-15-2007, 10:48 PM

watchman and other scers why dont you keep your trap shut about godchild she is one of the best post on this thread.

smyrna

02-16-2007, 07:12 PM

Hey Arron, you getting a little hot under the collar?

Could it be because Godchild has got caught once again with her magic panties down?

Where is she to defend her studpid trivialization of Enoch? Why can't she prove me and Watchman communicated with John Cody? Why can't she explain that ridiculous thread over at CB that denies the existance of satan, and claims others wrote the Torah?

Do you think God gives satan devil instructions, Arron? It's clear that "illogical_al" thinks that is possible.

You call that stuff Godchild agrees with being an example of what a good "Post" she is?

Forget it, Arron, and go back to that stupid site and have a good time denying the Bible.

godchild

02-16-2007, 11:09 PM

This smyrna character should get an award from am/sc. He sounds just like his leader.

He says he's a catholic but just about has some catholic priests convinced of am's teachings. He says he works on a "boat" out of Louisiana. When someone asks him what he does on this "boat" he changes "boat" to offshore oil "vessel" where he works as a "chef" for 500 men. His ip address while he's at "work" is 148.70.237.xxx. He said he was on the "vessel" and that's why he has no access to sc's biggest website/discussion board (not because he's been banned there). He can come here and claims to go to cultbusters, but has NO access to theseason.org where he says the moderator is his good friend and they might need him over there (where he hasn't gone for 5 years). He has his own website but it's such a failure I don't think he's reached 500 readers in years.

If you read his posts on just this thread (and he's posted on many others also during this time), the times he posts are:

on Wednesday at 9:57 a.m.
Thursday at 12:50 p.m.
Monday at 3:43 p.m.
Monday at 2:40 p.m.
Friday at 1:12 p.m.

Pray tell, when does this "chef" find the time to feed 500 men? I don't think they serve fast-food on these "vessels". Is he really "beating feet" to get his chef-work done so he can get back here?

He's supposed to have a wife and kids at home, but that's all he's ever said about them, is that he has them. Most of his time at home is spent posting here.

If what he claims is true, his dedication to am/sc looks more like adoration or idolizing. What's the deal? He's looking more like a kook everytime he comes here. am aint even pretty!

godchild

02-16-2007, 11:19 PM

Can any of the long-time fig tree members verify this story: There was a big hullabaloo at the fig tree discussing how am's secretary quit after finding him out in his barn doing "beastxxxxty worship"?

(Message edited by godchild on February 16, 2007)

smyrna

02-17-2007, 06:49 PM

No, we cannot verify it, because it is phoney. You people keep on sliding down that slippery slope of gossip mongering.

Not ONE allegation from the CB crew has been verified.
Godchild should know this, as she is the main instigator.

She can't even keep the details of her false allegation straight. Here is the original allegation, from that stupid SC thread at CB, by "Shadowcat":

"This ex employee quit because she claimed she caught Pastor Murray in the barn errrmmm well 'grove worshipping'. Some sort of sex/Baal worship I guess."

There has not been ONE shred of evidence to support this allegation. She thinks "grove worshipping" is "beastxxxiality".

She claims it was Murray's "secretary",(he never had one) but the original says an "employee". (There is no barn on Chapel property, by the way)

How stupid is that? I believe I covered this and other issues about the CB's SC thread on the discussion on the "Cultblunder's Shepherd's Chapel thread here at FN.

Read the thread at CB, and you'll see how completely void of any evidence this allegation there is. They are getting really close to committing criminal slander, and I think I'm going to take this one to the Chapel.

They are making vile accusations without any evidence,and this one is so bad, the Chapel may even press for some type of legal relief from this nonsense. I would sure like to see it.

And when there is so-called evidence, it is either "lost" or not what it was presented to be in the first place.

For instance, Godchild ranted and raved that the Book of Enoch was being used by the SC as well as some other ministry she had an issue with, as if Enoch was some heretical document.

After I noted that Enoch not only was part of the Ethiopian canon, but also was quoted in the NT Book of Jude, she clammed up about it and hasn't said a word since.

That Shepherd's Chapel thread at CB is just a cowardly exercise, where those who participate can enage in their wild allegations, continue to make false statements and rumor monger without any opposition from us, because if we go on there, we get banned, they know it, and thus they are cowards.

Were that not so, they would not have started that thread to begin with. They have plenty of opportunities here to act like morons, but they get trashed here when they do.

Godchild wants to engage in personal attacks. That's cool, because she has mouthed off so much about her own past, she can be smeared all over this board, and since she made all that info public, she can't do a damn thing about it. So if she wants to play that game, I'm ready.

However, it is much more constructive to simply point out that her and her ilk are just foolish clowns that can't ever back up anything they say, and are champions of putting their foot in their mouths.

They are cowards, they are hypocrites, and they are even heavily criticized by far more people here at FN than just Chapel students.

They are really a sad bunch, and no matter what doctrinal differences they have with the SC, they are far from practicing their self proclaimed squeaky clean brand of Christianity.

godchild

02-17-2007, 07:17 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

Let's add one more thing to the am/sc myth. am owns a tractor; there was a lot of sympathy when he fell off it a few months ago and broke his arm. But he has no barn or other outbuilding to put it. Have you ever heard of someone putting a "black cast" on a broken arm. am did. When asked why, he said so he wouldn't be noticed. Who notices him? He lives out in the toolies, right. If he's worried about being noticed, why does he have a t.v. program. What nonsense!

am owns two jets. I wonder if he leaves them out in the weather too. lol What was he doing in the barn?

godchild

02-17-2007, 07:23 PM

I suggest am/sc close down theseason.org. (Where his students go for bible study and fellowship (with the shepherds chapel). All these "rumors" and "lies" got started there, by his very own 'good figs'. lol

godchild

02-17-2007, 07:35 PM

am does have some "pastors" who really think he is a great preacher. This one is a good example:
(Discussion at a neo-nazi website)

CI people may have a better idea about him. Maybe Kludd and Pastor Visser will reply to this thread. That could be helpful. If they don't, PM them.
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Arnold Murray is a fine DSL teacher:

I visit the Shepherd's Chapel about once a year.
__________________
Pastor Visser @
Covenant People's Ministry & Forums
Box 256, Brooks, GA 30205

Joy Unspeakable || Satanel Online || Lawless Almanac
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You really should see some 'comparative' preaching by this guy; so much like am's. I don't suppose scer's would like to share with us what DSL means. -Vivian

david_munson

02-18-2007, 03:06 PM

DSL
Dat Sounds Ludicrous?

LOL,I had to.I can't resist.
And yes I do know it's corny.

}

smyrna

02-18-2007, 06:20 PM

Godchild can throw out all the accusations she wants. But she has NO evidence. NONE, as in ZERO.

The list of accusations she has made that has had NO followup, NO evidence, is getting larger every day.

This woman is mentally unstable. This is very clear to anyone who has any knowledge of the history of her posts at FN.

Her post about Murray and the barn is so stupid, I'll just leave that comment standing as is, other than to say she has NO evidence any story came from The Season or anywhere else but Cultbusters, where the cowards gather to murmur, whine, and basically have a liars' festival,not to mention their fantasy outer space game threads, and of course, the thread that denies the existence of Satan, claims Moses didn't write the Torah, and that God gives satan evil instructions to carry out on helpless mankind.

(Message edited by smyrna on February 18, 2007)

skooter942000

02-19-2007, 06:37 PM

¶ A naughty person, a wicked man,
walketh with a froward mouth.

He winketh with his eyes,
he speaketh with his feet,
he teacheth with his fingers;

Frowardness [is] in his heart,
he deviseth mischief continually;
he soweth discord.

Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly;
suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.

- (Pro 6) = is MEAT for both sexes.

"GOD" is not a respecter of persons.

SOWING DISCORD - (IS NOT CHRIST-LIKE)

Feet running to do mischief - (CONTINUALLY),
is not doing GOD a service.

Anyone that does this,
(Has a Different MASTER than CHRIST JESUS).

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif

david_munson

02-20-2007, 03:13 PM

What does DSL stand for anyway?

Seriously.

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smyrna

02-20-2007, 06:31 PM

Dual Seed Line.

This has nothing to do with you Dave,but while I'm here I'd like to say GODCHILD is still playing that "guilt by association thing"

Well, she can play that game all she wants. I really doubt anyone is really reading these threads much, at least her stuff.

One of the reasons I am sure is the constant accusations that she can't back up, nor does she appear to care whether they are false or not.

I'm beginning to think that part of her psychosis is manifesting as just blowing smoke without giving any regard to truth or not.

Here's just a short list:

Accusing me and Watchman of communicating with John Cody. No evidence,not one thing that can be verified.

Accusing the SC of not having their own Church building, even when the Chaple shows a picture of it on every series of telecasts.

Accusing SC and some other ministry in a recent post here of promoting the use of the Book of Enoch, as if there was something wrong with that, even though it is quoted in Jude, and even though the Ethiopian Church includes it in their Canon.
She offered no explanation for her error, and no retraction, She apparently thinks it will just go away.

Participated in a discussion at Cultbusters that included denials that satan exists, speculated that satan was just an invention of the Biblical writers, and also agreed with "illogical_al" the guy who brought all that drviel to the board, without offering any challenge to all that garbage he was posting.

Had any of us posted stuff like that here, she certainly would have gone ballistic, charging the usual "heresy," teaching false doctrines, etc.

This is not specualtion, it is a very well educated projection of her own dynamic approach to the SC and its students.
In other words, she is a hypocrite many times over, and we can tap into many other examples.

Finally, to end this SHORT list, is her incredibly irresponsible gossip mongering, by recently repeating an assinine accusation levelled at Pastor Murray, accusing him of "grove worshipping" which she defines as sexual activity with animals,first mentioned on that the coward's club thread at Cultbusters.

No evidence, complete heresay, and such a ridiculous charge I'm actually happy they are spreading that around.

Why? It just serves to show how sick these people really are, which makes our job, which is to expose their lack of any integrity whatsoever,very easy.

david_munson

02-21-2007, 05:09 PM

I was just wondering about it.
Thanks for letting me know what it stood for.

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sharon

02-23-2007, 02:08 PM

If I was to holler blasphemy in a church I would not expect a big hug! But I also would not expect to get shot at either. The very idea of my Minister pulling out a gun is hilarious. My minister preaches love your enemies, in fact so does Jesus, now where does it say shoot your enemies? That must be in a different book, one that does not contain Jesus. That sounds much more like satans thing, shooting those who do not agree with him. Jesus showed the way, those who hated him and were going to kill him, he did not lift a finger to stop them, even unto his own death. Arnie, he is not following Jesus. That whole Peter thing should have shown Arnie that, even the disciples of Christ must not pick up weapons. Shows a total lack of faith. Just like someone else who picked up a weapon, the difference is Peter was defending the Lord, Arnie was angry that someone dared to speak to him in such a fashion. Which screams EGO, VANITY, and INSANITY. Not love, where is the LOVE… Love of ones self is not counted .
It is funny because when I first heard what he had done it thought thank you Father for showing them the truth of this man. For letting them see who he really is in his heart. As this is what I was asking for. But even with the gun it does not make a difference. Maybe if he actually killed someone, but I have a funny feeling his followers would still stand by him. Finding ways in which it was the dead mans fault.
I can tell you I would not have my child in a place where weapon were hidden for use in case someone disagreed with the preacher.

smyrna ...in defense of GC, you may not be in communications with J Cody but you sound exactly like him with only minor differences. Surly you must see this.? He would find a way to look at the gun thing just as you have. He preaches almost the same things. If you believe the same things and speak them do not be surprised when others can not tell you apart. He says he loves Jesus, but will Jesus know him come judgment day? Is his heart full of love? Did he love his enemies? The last time this kind of garbage was spewed millions died, there were those who spoke it, those who followed it, and those who did the killing, all are equal.
And if anyone thinks that Jesus would be pleased at the death of millions of innocent Jews, including children then they had best get ready for a hot time to be had later, while they try and explain that they thought that some of these were the children of satan. It will all seem so farfetched then, and satan will be chuckling. Jesus is love, not hate with a handgun.

skooter942000

02-23-2007, 08:48 PM

Sharon ,
-(We are to take care of what we are able).

- That is being CHRIST-LIKE.

Phl 4:13 I can do all things
- through Christ which strengtheneth me.

No LAW was broken
No rules were either

- This was LIVE and ON AIR.

The security, are those who work at this CHURCH.
- Pastor was a MARINE.

HE served to help PROTECT YOU,
- (At one point in time).

He carries a GUN (LEGALLY), because of NUT JOBS
- Who desire to Disrupt or HARM.

- He has received DEATH THREATS.

Heck even here:
- (many like you desire to, - STRING HIM UP).

The POPE has Security.
- ARMED SECURITY

WOULD YOU KNOCK HIM TOO?

- Even gc has not attacked HIM?

GOD does not want children that can't handle
business , - when it is time to.

We are told to do all we can,
then if we are still having troubles,
- then we are to turn it over to GOD.

- As you can see,
- (GOD did not need to get involved).

Here is a NICE little verse:

Deu 3:18 ¶ And I commanded you at that time,
saying, The LORD your God hath given you this
land to possess it: ye shall pass over armed
before your brethren the children of Israel,
all [that are] meet for the war.

Don <*))><

(Message edited by skooter942000 on February 23, 2007)

smyrna

02-24-2007, 02:30 AM

You know, Sharon, that first of all, I believe every man and woman in this country has a right to defend themselves, no matter which way they choose to do it. One can hire security, or carry it.

I don't know what makes you people so hard headed when it comes to this subject, other than to just use it to try and discredit Pastor Murray.

In addition, no one got shot at the Chapel, so maybe you can tone down your rhetoric.

The SC has its own small studio. How do you think that out of control nutcase, who was SCUFFLING with the staff there, who were probably Dennis and either his brother David or one other person perhaps from the very small audience that can be seated there,would have been handled if it was the FOX news studio?

They have ARMED security there, so what is the difference really?

Are you going to say Murray should have more
faith that God would protect him?

We have already discussed that garbage, and all it resulted in was you or soem otehr stupid Cber that wanted to slither out of the argument that Peter had a SWORD, not a butterknife, or pen knife, or whatever. Really, do you think Peter cut that soldiers' head off with some small knife? How stupid!

Really Sharon, your position is so silly, that only the most assinine liberal mind would agree that we should rely on government, or a childish reliance on angels to protect us from all the sicko nutcases out in the world today.

In closing, all I can say is to repeat something I said way back about this subject: if I was Pastor Murray, I would DEFINITELY carry a gun, because of all the intolerant nut jobs that we can not only see here on the 'net that hate him, but also I am sure the really out of it sickos that can't operate a keyboard, but surely can rant and rave at their TV's until they can't take it anymore, and go on a rampage against whomever and whatever they may have a disagreement with.

(Message edited by smyrna on February 23, 2007)

ezekiel_37

03-08-2007, 11:17 PM

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oneway

03-20-2007, 10:02 PM

I was watching am via satellite today. I don't remember the exact word for word that am spoke, but it was similar to this. AM was taliking about turning the other cheek. He said that if you (I guess he was talking about any of his students) went up to someone and claimed that the rapture was false, then that person in turn punched you in the face, then you should turn the other cheek because you deserved it by being careless. Right after AM says this, he goes on to state, that if you (I guess he was talking about any of his students) went downtown and someone punched you in the face for no reason, then it's your duty to deck them. Then he went on to say that Christians are not meant to be wimps.

Matthew 5:38 *¶Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 *But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I didn't notice Jesus adding any 'unless'
to that verse.

abiyah

03-21-2007, 04:26 PM

Oneway WROTE:
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May I please ask you a few questions Oneway ? Who has given you the authority to critsize pastor Murray ? For I perceive that is what you are doing here. And may I ask ? What is it that Christ The Lord is "teaching" His diciples in this Fifth Chapter of The Book of Matthew ? Well certainly He is teaching His diciples HOW TO TEACH GOD's WORD. Therefore, I agree with pastor Murray's teaching here in Matthew 5:38, for indeed if you were to go up to a preacher, and you were say to him/her... you ARE misleading God's children by teaching them they are going to fly away priot to the tribulation of the instead-of-christ or anti-christ, and that preacher slaps you right cross your face... then indeed I do agree... as it is Written you are to 'turn the other cheek', as you would have offended them all by yourself. However, IF I'm walking anywhere, downtown, uptown, around town..... and someone just comes up to me to attacks me, then certainly I have the right to defend myself... correct ? Its called self defence, is it not ? And if in defending myself means that I have to slap, kick, and/or punch my attacker, then so it is. Indeed CHRISTIANS ARE NOT SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, and they also have the right to defend themselves... and this is what pastor Murray was saying here. Self defence and offending another with your own words with reagrd to anothers beliefs and teaching of God's Word are two different matters. Yet, you brother, have simply taken that which is Written and that which pastor Murray was speaking of out of context, and are seemingly attempting to bring it forth in a negative way. This brother... is a perfect example of 'rightly dividing The Word of Truth'... and it is something that we all must do to obtain a better understanding to that which is Written. Think about how violent this world is ... are we not to defend ourselves ? And just one more question... IF I may... what did you learn form that The Bible Study that you listened to when you watched yesterday via satellite. Do you have any meat ?

II Timothy 2:15
" STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing The Word of Truth. "

Abiyah

oneway

03-21-2007, 11:29 PM

abiyah,

"Who has given you the authority to critsize pastor Murray ? For I perceive that is what you are doing here. And may I
ask ?"

All I did was pretty much tell it like he stated on his broadcast. He shouldn't be saying things on tv if he didn't want anyone to judge/critisize what he was preaching.

You stated: " for indeed if you were to go up to a preacher, and you were say to him/her...
you ARE misleading God's children by teaching them they are going to fly away priot to the tribulation of the instead-of-christ or anti-christ, and that preacher slaps
you right cross your face... then indeed I do agree... as it is Written you are to 'turn the other cheek', as you would have offended them all by yourself. However, IF
I'm walking anywhere, downtown, uptown, around town..... and someone just comes up to me to attacks me, then certainly I have the right to defend myself...
correct ? Its called self defence, is it not ?"

Actually it would be self defense in both instances. But Jesus said to turn the other cheek.
If someone gets physical with someone just for disagreeing, then that is called self defense if the other one fights back. It's the same as if a person gets attecked for no reason. It's called self defense. Jesus says to turn the other cheek, period, without any unless's or ifs. I'm actually suprised that AM didn't suggest pulling out the 9 millimeter in both instances.

fatherofaking

03-22-2007, 04:39 AM

hey ihs,

the video was removed.

smyrna

03-22-2007, 11:52 AM

Oneway has just affirmed his ignorance, by his post above.

Jesus is God, God does not change. In the Old Testament, there were many, many instances where His people, the Isrealites, came against enemies that sought to destroy them, and in many cases it was God Himself that ordered the Israelites to destroy their enemies on the battlefield.

The Jesus that Oneway speaks about was not born to Mary: he was born to traditions of men, and that makes him a false Christ, which was a creation of false teachers.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with any of Oneway's stupid, ridiculous posts.

He has shown himself to be nothing but a smarta$$ heckler, that does not have any genuine interest in God's Word, but only exists here to mock those who love the Word of God.

He is in a sad, miserable existence.

david_munson

03-22-2007, 06:26 PM

To claim to know Oneways heart concerning His desire for the Lord is not in you Smyrna.
You do not know this man's heart as you say you do.

I have seen nothing that would cause me to believe that Oneway is just here to annoy folks.
If his questions and observations are a bother to you,why attack his relationship with the Lord?

Isn't that a bit dishonest?
Even if it is not meant to be?(no assumptions made)

In all honesty I have not read every post by Oneway but I haven't seen him slandering with name calling.
I (my opinion only) think that if his questions are a bother that you should politely disengage him in conversation while agreeing to disagree.

The personal narrative is a death knowl to your position.It gives one a sense that there is insecurity in your position when you have to take up the place of speaking for your opposition attempting to discredit them with your thoughts about what they believe instead of asking them the position they actually hold to.

I hope you understand what I'm saying.
I certainly do not mean this as an attack upon your character.I am just trying to show to you how you can come across at times.

Just a little something to concider.

God loves the unlovable.

Peace to you.

}

smyrna

03-23-2007, 01:59 AM

Dave wrote:

"To claim to know Oneways heart concerning His desire for the Lord is not in you Smyrna."

I made no such claim. It is my opinion, based upon his posts. You apparently have not read them closely enough. Your buddy Watchman agrees with me, based upon his own experiences with Oneway.

The guy is a heckler, and a clown. If he really desires to study Biblical truth, he sure sways back and forth between someone who appears to be serious, and then playing a game of 'one upmanship' which he isn't capable of winning.

Because he doesn't have the guns, so to speak, even though he plays like he does.
But if you read the posts, you'll see I am correct.

Now my questions are: Why doesnt he defend himself, and why are you so moved to defend him?

oneway

03-23-2007, 03:06 AM

smyrna,

you stated: "Now my questions are: Why doesnt he defend himself,"

Defend myself from what? Because I call it like I see it? I've never even called you scers racists in the same manner that others in here have. I must be a really big threat to some of your untruths. Calling me a heckler is quite a retarded conclusion. You have never met anyone quite like me, and you know it. You all told me to watch AM, you said I might learn something. Well, I just shared what I learned. Do I need to watch AM some more, so that I can share even more? AM is available to me 24/7, so I'm sure I can watch him more than anyone in here if I wanted to. But that's not really on my agenda. Calling me a clown doesn't mean much, I've seen you call others a clown as well. I'm sure that if AM can afford to broadcast via satellite, then I'm also sure that he can afford to own a pc and have an internet connection. So why not just have AM come here and defend his good honor? Is he even aware that you all are failing miserably in that regard? You can say what you want about me, I don't care. But when
you go around perverting the word of God and calling it truth, such as you do with the ss teaching, then I'm going to take that personal and speak out. I have been very patient with you scers. I debated with you all for the longest time and all that time none of you ever had any intentions but seeing it your way only. None of you ever cared what I had to say, period, but obviously I had your attention for whatever reasons. You all are so wrong about me, you don't even have a clue what I'm about. My heart is in the right place except you all just don't know it.

(Message edited by oneway on March 22, 2007)

oneway

03-23-2007, 04:38 AM

smyrna,

With your assumptions that you presented in post 2020, you have pretty much stooped to the low levels of watchman. I have no need to even address
such ludicrous assumptions that you have made about me. You'll have to answer to Almighty God for those very untrue assumptions you falsified about my beliefs.

ihavesinned

03-23-2007, 04:40 AM

"hey ihs,

the video was removed."

Sorry Fof,
Youtube seems to be in trouble these days for copyright infringement. Google (youtube's proud parent company) is being sued for a billion dollars by viacom. I wonder if Arnies legal team isn't trying to cash in too...

Now, let's get down to brass tacks. What type of pistol do you think Jesus would be packing, if he were around today?

david_munson

03-23-2007, 03:45 PM

Smyrna,
one thing is certain,this is the hardest medium to present intent on.
Actually I was just trying to express to you how your posts can be perceived and how you can defeat yourself with some of what you say about others.

You know that we both disagree with each other agreeably or better yet with civility.
It just doesn't appear to me like Oneway is being uncivil.
So I guess I am wondering why you would be.
(it's the questionable narrative that makes me wonder)

Again,
no insult or character assassination intended.
We all make mistakes.

}

rachelengland

03-23-2007, 04:03 PM

IHS-it's good to see you around..comic relief is much in need lately...(I heard that about youtube this morning on NPR-it's always something!

Pistol packing Jesus-I don't know- that just doesn't click of course people around these parts would probably say a machine gun!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

watchman_2

03-23-2007, 07:20 PM

oneway,

You wrote,

With your assumptions that you presented in post 2020, you have pretty much stooped to the low levels of watchman. I have no need to even address

There you go again -- you haven't learned anything yet. When have I ever stooped to a low level with you.

Proving you wrong is what I do here -- it is not a low level deed.

terluvire

03-24-2007, 01:07 AM

Hello Watchman, Smyrna, Abiyah, and all.

I stopped in real quick to say hello and to wish all of you a wonderful weekend.

I really do miss all of you. I can't wait till I can get back to posting like I use to.

God bless,
Ter

smyrna

03-24-2007, 03:03 AM

I think Oneway is maybe bi-polar or schizophrenic. One day he is a snide, overconfident clown. Other days he seems to be a sober, serious seeker of truth. Weird, real weird.

Now, IHS wrote: "Now, let's get down to brass tacks. What type of pistol do you think Jesus would be packing, if he were around today?"

All we know about His earthly life as far as weapons go, He did fashion a whip to chase to money changers out of the Temple. And of course, as we have already discussed, His disciples were armed, not with butter knives, as some of the whackos have tried to speculate about here, but a swords.

Asking a question about what type of gun Jesus would carry is just another way to scoff or mock this discussion. IHS is better off exchanging jokes with Franklin about having sex with orangutans.

HI TER, HOPE EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL, AND HOPE TO 'SEE' MORE OF YOU HERE!

oneway

03-24-2007, 03:10 AM

watchman_2,

you stated: "
oneway,

You wrote,

With your assumptions that you presented in post 2020, you have pretty much stooped to the low levels of watchman. I have no need to even address

There you go again -- you haven't learned anything yet. When have I ever stooped to a low level with you.

Proving you wrong is what I do here -- it is not a low level deed."

This wasn't the low level I was referring to. I'm talking about on the "who was cain's father" thread, where you came up with some very disturbing assumptions that you were claiming that I was claiming about Jesus. I'd just as well prefer to get those disturbing assumptions out of my mind, that you claimed I was claiming. Now smyrna in this thread, is implying that I follow a false Jesus. What next?

godchild

03-24-2007, 02:41 PM

oneway, scooter is called the "candy man" at the "fig tree". http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

I've noticed some of their 'like-minded' posters don't get along with these folks either. Do you think they ever stop to wonder why; or do they just continue the pretense of being righteous once in awhile and mud-slinging the rest of the time?

I guess I'm trying to tell you not to let them get under your skin. They treat their own the same nasty, rude way; one or two throw in a few "ye, thee's and thou's" thinking that might impress someone. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

godchild

03-24-2007, 02:48 PM

Have you ever been to carm.org. They've got a great discussion board and the rudest posters here have been banned there so you can have discussions without having to wade through their tripe. They've got some great debates going there.

(Yeah, smyrna, we know how you hate Matt Slick. You don't have to repeat all your lies about him here again. Save yourself some time. Or then, maybe not. You don't seem to have much else to do.)

smyrna

03-24-2007, 03:04 PM

Godchild is once again trying to head me off at the pass, and insinuates that I cannot prove Matt Slick is at the very least disingenuous when it comes to his coverge of pastor Murray and the SC.

See www.scripturetruth.homestead.com (http://www.scripturetruth.homestead.com) the site needs updating, but my coverage of Matt Slick is still very revealing and timely.

Well, it won't work. Besides, anyone can go to carm.org and see that Slick is against almost all of Christianity, save his beloved Calvinist Church.

Now that I have commented upon that, maybe it is time to repeat the posts that show clearly that Godchild is someone that cannot be trusted with any information anyway, since it is readily apparent by looking at the hard facts, that she makes things up completely out of thin air, and when we show that she does this, she does the good old disappearing act.

By the way, funny that Godchild even shows up here, since the CB folks have been throughly discredited and defeated by their own shenanigans.

I have been ready to give them all another go around, with the same challenges, the same evidence, and the same tenacity as I have exercised in the past

The results will be the same: more dodging, more denials in the face of irrefutable facts, and more retreats back to their beloved cultbusters site.

godchild

03-24-2007, 03:12 PM

"The site needs updating". http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

That site is so boring and self-serving, no one goes there. Poor smyrna! He can't get no respect. I suppose that's why he runs around defending the false teacher, arnold murray, at the one place they'll let just about anybody post at. No one's hearing you, smearna.

godchild

03-24-2007, 03:15 PM

I was wondering what smyrna will have to talk about when am dies. Then I realized the scer's, like other cults, will use his death as a reason to martyr him. Brother, won't that be a bore! And all for naught, as am will be some place he can't hear them. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

david_munson

03-24-2007, 03:37 PM

Oh I have got to get in on this.
Not my opinion but I know that jesus would not carry a firearm.He would weild the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God.
You could say that He would be His own weapon.
John 1:14.
Which we know He was because he defeated death.

Makes me appreciate Him even more.
Thanks for causing me to think of these things.
1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

He is risen!!!!!

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oneway

03-24-2007, 06:44 PM

godchild,

you stated: "Have you ever been to carm.org."

Yes, I've been there, and as of today I have registered with the forum.
BTW, glad to see you back. As of lately, the only intelligent conversation has been provided by me(I suppose that's debatable, LOL), dave_munson, rachelengland, and a few others(not the scers of course http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif). We need all of the help we can get and it's pretty obvious that the scers provide a very challenging endeavor. And before I get flamed by the scers, I do believe that the scers are very intelligent, I just feel they lack SOME(not all) spiritual intellegience.

smyrna

03-25-2007, 01:30 AM

Godchild wrote: ""The site needs updating".

"That site is so boring and self-serving, no one goes there. Poor smyrna! He can't get no respect. I suppose that's why he runs around defending the false teacher, arnold murray, at the one place they'll let just about anybody post at. No one's hearing you, smearna."

Smyrna: That would mean something, if it were anything BUT Godchild's opinion.

As Watchman will attest, that site was very instrumental when it was used to actually help shut down the site which I spoofed:

www.scripture_truth.homestead.com (http://www.scripture_truth.homestead.com)

For Godhild's opinion of it to mean anything except mindless heckling, she would have had to note that I already said it was outdated. As for boring, we'll let the reader decide. Like I said, I gave coverage to Matt Slick and CARM.org, and that is why I mentioned it.

Anyone who knows how the Internet works (this excludes Godchild)realizes that websites need to be kept current to be read, and promoted to draw people to it, neither of which I have done in some time.

I have three other websites, one is very large and has a large forum of over almost six hundred members. And I'm happy to say that out of that number, there are not only notable people in society, but also there are NO nutcases of the likes of Godchild.

It is a Catholic group, and dedicated to contemplative Christian spirituality, and that is all Godchild will ever know about it.

smyrna

03-25-2007, 01:44 AM

Before I comment on Mr. Munsun's post, let me add that as far as Godchild's rude and nasty comments about my webiste goes, she once claimed she was going to build one that would "expose" the SC as false teachers. (she would just be joining a crowd, big deal)

Maybe it is time to ask her once again what happened to that endeavor? I'm sure it would have been a rousing success.

Mr. Munsun: I agree that Jesus had no real reason to carry a weapon, for He was fully aware of His destiny. Yet, His disciples certainly did carry swords, and Peter did not cut the soldiers ear off with a butter knife, Exacto, etc. It was a sword, and it was his,if you bother reading the Gospel.

Now we can argue forever why he had one, but the point of this whole thread is that some people here apparently don't think Christians should be able to defend themselves, that any of us would be saved by legions of angels if anyone would attack us.

Maybe because they have never been in danger or physically threatened they think THEY are being protected, and anyone who has just has not been a good enough Christians. It would certainly figure.

smyrna

03-25-2007, 02:07 AM

Godchild wrote: "I was wondering what smyrna will have to talk about when am dies. Then I realized the scer's, like other cults, will use his death as a reason to martyr him."

Godchild apparently has no clue what martyrdom is. So I'll leave it at that.

When the Lord calls Pastor Murray home, his son Dennis will take his place. He is also a great teacher, and I'll still have plenty of things to talk about.

Sorry Godchild, it just is not your day, as usual. Why don't you look up 'martyr' in the dictionary, and then you will see how stupid your statement about us Scer's "martyring" Pastor Murray was. What a whacko!

This is just another post she will ignore, as she always does when she makes a fool of herself!

david_munson

03-25-2007, 03:39 PM

Smyrna,
I carry a weapon.
Why would I argue against it?
I know the disciples carried protective arms.
Peter used his.
At the wrong time of course since we know that Jesus not only stopped him but healed the soldiers ear after Peter cut it off.

I have a pretty good grasp on the proper use of weaponry and am not one of those who thinks it has no place in a believers life.

Gee Smyrna, you seem irritated today.
I hope all is well with you.

}

oneway

03-25-2007, 04:33 PM

"Yet, His disciples certainly did carry swords,"

There could be very good reasons why his disciples carried swords. A couple of things that come to mind are, maybe they used their swords to clear out paths through wilderness areas, maybe they used their swords in defense of wild beasts, maybe in defense of poisoness snakes,etc. We have to keep in mind that when his disciples were walking with him, they were continually learning. They were being taught as they went. They were very capable of error, they were not perfect as Jesus was perfect.

smyrna

03-25-2007, 04:39 PM

Or cutting off a soldier's ear.

godchild

04-03-2007, 06:27 PM

During a recent ecumenical gathering, a secretary rushed in shouting, "The building is on fire!"
The Methodists gathered in a corner and prayed.
The Baptists cried, "Where is the water?"
The Quakers quietly praised God for the blessings that fire brings.
The Lutherans posted a notice on the door declaring the fire was evil.
The Roman Catholics passed a plate to cover the damages.
The Jews posted symbols on the door hoping the fire would pass.
The Congregationalists shouted, "Every man for himself."
The Fundamentalists proclaimed, "It's the vengeance of God!"
The Episcopalians formed a procession and marched out.
The Christian Scientists concluded there was no fire.
The Presbyterians appointed a chairperson who was to appoint a committee to look into the matter and submit a report.
THE SCERS GRABBED THEIR PISTOLS SAYING "THE KENITES DID IT, THE KENITES DID IT."

The secretary grabbed a fire extinguisher and put the fire out.