Arnold murray beleives in self hyponosis [Archive]

smyrna

09-26-2006, 03:35 PM

Arron;
You are definitely intellectually incapable of comprehending almost anything we have tried to tell you.
How does self-hyponoisis, mess with your mind Arron?
How can examining your own conscience and suggesting or in the religious context praying for strength to overcome evil "mess" with your mind?

Now either your zeal to try and find things wrong with what the SC teaches,has blinded your ability to reason, or you have been blinded by your early religious training.

What is a cheap shot is that you seem to imply self-hyonosis if somehow eveil, and you have so far not explained why you think this.

So you can keep on attacking, but you are doing it with an empty muzzle.

arron

09-26-2006, 03:43 PM

an empty muzzle ? good for i dont have a muzzle on so that is why it is empty. are you wearing one? i told you that when satan put things in your mind to try like self hypnosis he is messing with your mind. i know it is hard ofr you to understand any thing that is just said as it is, for you have to have a different thing or someone to come in and tell you it has a different meaning but that is how it is. now be heave yourself and be a good girl or boy or whatever you are (man woman). and quit telling people they are doing thngs that they are not doing or saying things that they are not saying. so be good and keep your mind on JESUS. let THE HOLY GHOST bless you. may THE FATHERS peace be upon you.

david_munson

09-26-2006, 03:43 PM

Self hypnosis is a meditaional state reached through technics related to hindi transendentalism.

Self examination is not the same though it is ,as Smyrna described, a Biblical directive.
(examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith)
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

This is not self hypnosis but is instead taking a good honest look at where you are in your life.

Dave

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Actual self hypnosis puts one in a satte of mind not unlike a trance.

smyrna

09-26-2006, 05:06 PM

Well, Dave and Arron, I can assure you that Pastor Murray does not endorse self-hypnosis in a clinical sense, but as the examination of conscience described in II Cor.

I know this because Pastor Murray is by no means focused upon clinical psychological techniques, but on the Word of God.

So if he is guilty of anything in this case, it is merely a poor choice of words.

arron

09-26-2006, 06:12 PM

well i am glad you admited that.

david_munson

09-27-2006, 03:45 AM

Poor chioie of words?
If I had ten cents for evey time I made a poor choice of words,I could probably buy Manhatten.

Hey,
I'm not kidding.

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watchman_2

09-27-2006, 12:19 PM

arron,

I was watching the Sept. 25 broadcast and heard the question that led to Pastor Murray's response. I do believe that you took PM's comment out of context [again].

PM was not advocating hypnosis.

arron

09-27-2006, 03:40 PM

then he should have made himself clear

david_munson

09-27-2006, 04:05 PM

Oh my Lord,
does any one know what a chioie is?
I know I posted it but I meant choice.LOL.

See what happens when I don't use spell check.
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Am was most likely advocating the examining of ones position concerning thier walk with the Lord.
We all know how easy it is to missunderstand others at times.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one because I don't think he'd advocate hypnosis in any form from what I know of him.

That is at least my impression.

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terluvire

09-28-2006, 05:37 AM

I have to say, on many of these threads today, I am thankful of how civil everyone is being to each other!!! This is just absolutely awesome!!!!

It truly has made my heart happy!

God bless!

watchman_2

09-28-2006, 02:30 PM

arron,

Perhaps you are listening to PM with disingenuine intent -- trying to find something to pick on.

godchild did this after she watched SC a few times. She then came back and made similar posts about that which she heard and twisted in her mind.

david_munson

09-28-2006, 03:03 PM

Watchman,
it's probably more of a missunderstanding than anything else.Just the way it came across to arron.
I have had to go over what some have said a few times before realising that I heard or read it out of context and missunderstood what was actually being said.

It's always good to review things a few times.

God bless,
Dave

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arron

09-28-2006, 03:12 PM

i distintly heard pm say it . i do not listen to them with disingenuine intent. i do not talk about some one unless i hear it from them. godchild does as she feels led to do. i amn sure she is capable of knowing what is right and what is wrong. i do not agree with people who take something out of context and then give mans opinion on it. the bible is our guide and not man. i for one would never ever let any thing that was mind controling take over my mind. my mind belongs to JESUS as does the rest of my body. soul mind and spirit.

terluvire

09-28-2006, 05:06 PM

Here is the question and answer about using hypnosis to quit smoking. It was aired on Sept. 25th. I transcribed it to the best of my ability. Any errors should not reflect upon SC in any way. It would be my mistake and not theirs.

Question:
Is it wrong to use hypnosis to quit smoking?

Pastor Murray's answer:
It is really self hypnosis, it' not like fully being hypnotized. And if it helps, that's fine. Ok. It is natural that smoking is harmful to the body, it will do harm so it's better not to. Though it's not a sin to hell it's a sin against your body, your health. So, I see nothing wrong with self hypnosis. Usually the 90 bucks you have to pay or whatever it costs to get it, will really make you think twice before you buy another package of cigarettes cause you just tossed 90 bucks. But they will take you through and will talk about babies, about how they had a pacifier when they were a baby and you that smoke "hand me my pacifier". And here we go see. They're really going to put you through it. And we'll see if you still want one very bad after that. but If it helps, hey, more, go for it. There is nothing sinful about it as long the person is decent alright. I would never let anyone even self, put me under self hypnosis, that I didn't trust pretty good.

I pray this helps.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

godchild

09-28-2006, 05:40 PM

Thank you terluvire. I was reading these posts earlier and saw it had turned from something arron heard (and now we see didn't lie about) into whether arron was a liar or not for saying it, which was contrary to the subject.

arron, I think it is wonderful that terluvire was honest enough to share the statement by am. You have made your point, and now people can decide for themselves whether it is a good idea or not. I think enough has been said unless someone has another opinion about self-hypnosis. It shouldn't turn into an argument about someone's truthfulness. It would be difficult for anyone to honestly say you intentionally brought this up just to trash am. Your past posts are evidence that it is not your habit to do so. Personally, I see where self-hypnosis could be harmful, but that is a personal opinion. am has his right to his, right or wrong. Hopefully, his followers do not take everything he says as gospel.

kimberlyfredrick

09-28-2006, 06:26 PM

"Hopefully, his followers do not take everything he says as gospel."

Well, we don't and here's why. Pastor Murray's teaching is unique. He speaks directly to the television audience. He teaches scripture word for word out of the bible. Then, if necessary, he breaks it down with definitions out of Strongs to help the listener fully grasp the meaning of the scripture. Now, while he is doing this he will also throw out his own opnion from time to time. If you are not fully paying attention to him you can easily THINK he is stating a hard-core fact when actually he is speaking his opinion. So there you got it. Scripture, definition and opnion. you got to be studing with him. Have your full attention on him. He is very clear about what he is doing, but some will not see this is they just have the tv on as they are wondering around the house concentrating on other tasks.

When I listen to Pastor Murray, I sit directly in front of the tv, with paper and pen in hand and my bible and strongs in front of me. No different than if I was sitting in a pew.

Hope this helps

abiyah

09-28-2006, 07:41 PM

godchild WROTE:
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Afternoon Kimberly & ALL !

Very good points you have made in your above quote KIMBERLY. : ) godchild, I think what may help you to better understand, is that pretty much anyone that Studies God's Word 'ALONG WITH' [ those words ' along with ' being key to the point I'm trying to make ] pastor Murray, does NOT follow pastor Murray, no, no, not at all. For we are not follwers of pastor Murray or ANY man for that matter, for indeed we are followers of Jesus The Christ, this is why we are called Christians. And again, we indeed do follow Christ The Lord, Who WAS and IS The Living Word of God, we follow God's Savior, The Anointed One of God, Immanuel, we follow The Word of God, we partake of The Bread of Life, and The Living Water DAILY, which indeed feeds our spirit, as we together Study The Bible, we are one in Christ, we being also a part of the multi-membered body of Christ. I hope this helps you to better understand that those that STUDY God's Word 'ALONG WITH ' The Shepherd's Chapel FOLLOW Jesus Christ, and ONLY Jesus Christ [ Revelation 14:4 ].

I Corinthians 12:12 -14
" For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
For by One Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into One Spirit. For the body is not one member, BUT MANY. "

Abiyah

abiyah

09-28-2006, 08:03 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif Ohhh yea godchild... one more thing, that I forgot to mention above. Pastor Murray most every time at the beginning of each Bible Study Broadcast will say..... and yes indeed I do quote...

" Now, get your BIBLES out. " : )

And he says it with that southern draw/dialect. " )

Abiyah

terluvire

09-28-2006, 08:19 PM

Kimberly and Abiyah, Good posts.

We follow Jesus Christ and no one else. Anything we, or anyone for that matter, are taught, one should always check it out in the word of God for themselves.

Now with that being said, I would like to say that when ever Pastor Murray answers a question with Scripture he will bring that scripture out. Otherwise it is his opinion.

In my own opinion, concerning his answer above, it sums it up as such: pastor says IF [ and there is your condition ] IF it helps you to quit smoking, which is harmful to the body, hey, then, have at it. He saying go for it ! He is NOT telling, NOR is he instructing in any way for every single person that may listen to his Q & A to go out and get hypnotized if you are a smoker, because IT WILL help you stop the habit. He is NOT saying this is what you need to do if you want to kick the habit. And that he himself would not allow anyone to self hypnotize him that he DID NOT TRUST [ another condition ]. These were simply his own opinions in trying to help this one who had the question.

Now I have done no research or study on hypnosis, nor am I a 'critical thinker' on the matter. But perhaps this type of treatment does help people quit smoking? I don't know , haven't seen any statistical studies on it to comment either way.

watchman_2

09-30-2006, 01:54 AM

One can easily see from terluvire's transcription of PM's answer that PM does not advocate self-hypnosis. One can also see from arron's original comment that he did take the answer out of context. Of course, godchild was wrong in stating that arron was right.

arron

09-30-2006, 02:34 AM

i did not take it out of context the man said it i heard it.

abiyah

09-30-2006, 02:04 PM

Aaron WROTE:
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QUOTE: " i did not take it out of context the man said it i heard it. " END QUOTE
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif UG ! LOL !!



http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifAnd Hello to you Watchman !

I simply wanted to say 'salute', as I have not seen you here in the past few days, and was thinking about you. I pray that all is well brother. " )

Agape,

Abiyah

arron

09-30-2006, 03:09 PM

now you can ug all you want to abyiah but i did hear him. why is it that you and some others on this thread do not listen to anything that is said about murray but say some to those who say it like.. he didnt say that or he didnt mean that? and you can also lol all you want but he did say it

godchild

09-30-2006, 03:52 PM

arron, It's just not worth it. You said, "I heard arnold murray (monday morning sept 25) say he believed in self hypnosis to help some one stop smoking. do you believe this."

You didn't misquote him. You didn't say he is instructing in any way for every single person that may listen to his Q & A to go out and get hypnotized if you are a smoker, because IT WILL help you stop the habit. Nor did you say he said this is what you need to do if you want to kick the habit.

If people infer all this from what you said, that's in their own minds. Don't worry about it. You didn't lie. If you had said, "Shepherd's Chapel advocates self-hypnosis" then I could see where these folks might have a problem. But that's not what you said. You said am believes in self-hynosis to stop smoking and terluvire showed he did indeed say it. If he didn't 'believe in it', he surely would have warned the person not to. My gosh, how do these things get so changed out of proportion to one statement and cause such a ruckus?

arron, let's praise the Lord today for your grandson's successful surgery and good recuperation, okay. I'm thanking Him that my daughter was able to stop overnight on a trip from Alaska two days ago and now she is back home safe and sound. Let's not dwell on these other things.

watchman_2

10-01-2006, 05:16 AM

Hello abiyah!

I have been reviewing posts, but not participating too much lately. Of course, attempting to communicate with some whom frequent these threads is a waste of time.

I just thank God for the blessings that He has given me to objectively review writings and discern the truth. It is obvious that many cannot place their bias aside to seek truth.

plow_deep

10-01-2006, 05:35 AM

Watchman2,

Your really stepping on snakes in the evolution threads. When they start smearing you for your beliefs, rather then contesting your arguments...

You win.

Good job! Theyve been some fun threads to read with a cup of coffee.

kimberlyfredrick

10-01-2006, 06:38 AM

............DITTO............

abiyah

10-01-2006, 03:59 PM

Aaron WROTE:
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QUOTE: " i heard arnold murray (monday morning sept 25) say he BELIEVED in self hypnosis to help some one stop smoking. " END QUOTE
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Arnold Murray SAID:

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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif " It is really SELF hypnosis, it's NOT like fully being hypnotized. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif " So, I see nothing wrong with SELF hypnosis. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif " but IF it helps, hey, more, go for it. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif " I would NEVER let anyone even self, put me under self hypnosis, that I DIDN'T TRUST pretty good. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif These are Arnold Murray's opinions for a person who had a QUESTION regarding 'SELF' hypnosis to QUIT a very bad and dangerous habit to his/her health. Trying to help this one he was..... Is that a bad thing Aaron ? Now Aaron, honestly.... did pastor Murray say he 'believed' in self hypnosis ? I mean this is the transcript from that days Q & A . So where did pastor Murray say
" I 'believe' in self hypnosis to quit smoking ! " ? Simple question... is it not ? I for one do not see it in the transcription that Terluvire posted. And I KNOW I did not see it, because he never said it ! And well.... its just that simple. " ) Yet, you Aaron have claimed that he did as a fact in your opening post. Even though he did not say any such thing. And what exactly was your point in starting this thread anyway ?? I've wondered why and I still can not figure it out. Was your intention good or bad with starting this thread ? And even moreso than that.... what about The Bible Study from that days broadcast ? Please.....tell me, what was The Bible Study about ? What Scriptures were being read that day ? What did you learn from God's Word during that Bible Study broadcast ? I mean... out of an entire Bible Study broadcast ..... all you thought to discuss was a question regarding self hynosis ????? Why ? No offense sir, I do not understand that. " )

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif Abiyah

abiyah

10-01-2006, 04:10 PM

Watchman WROTE:
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QUOTE: " I just thank God for the blessings that He has given me to objectively review writings and discern the truth. It is obvious that many cannot place their bias aside to seek truth. " END QUOTE
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning There Watchman !

Yep ! Your above stated quote here is so right, I agree ! " ) And I also am VERY Thankful to God for spiritual discernment. To know what is His Truth and to know that which is false. I would not know the difference if it were not for His Word, and His mercy and grace that He has shown unto me. Truly I'm Thankful too.

And its always so nice to see you Watchman, as I myself have not been able to stop by FACTnet as often as I use to... yet please know that you are often in my thoughts and prayers, along with all of our brothers and sister in Christ The Lord.

Abiyah

(Message edited by Abiyah on October 01, 2006)

arron

10-01-2006, 09:43 PM

abiyah why do you defend a man who does not hold to the christian way of things he does not hol;d to any of the doctrines of the church (chriatian) such as trinity... rapture....none of thes things does he believe in. now you belive in what you want (since you will any way ) and i will believe in what i know to be GODS WORD. the bible. you just want to argue about something all th time.now you have singled me out as your argueing with. now good by

angie0401

10-01-2006, 10:31 PM

arron,
Can you name ONE of the church fathers or recognized theologians that taught the rapture? Luther, Calvin and Wycliffe did NOT. So don't start claiming the rapture is a "Christian doctrine". It's a MODERN tradition of man, a lie spread throughout the churches to cause strife - NOT God's Word.

arron

10-02-2006, 02:52 AM

and why do you anGie call this doctrine a lie when it is in THE WORD OF GOD. it tell of being caught up.. now this means also a snatching away being caught up in the air to meet THE LORD. that is a true doctrine but it is one denyed by am i dont know what some of the "church fathers" or theologians taught but i do know what the bible teaches about the rapture.

arron

10-02-2006, 02:52 AM

kimberlyfredrick

10-02-2006, 03:42 AM

Arron,

I am very interested in this Rapture Doctrine which you speak of. Would you please tell me the scriptures and there meaning as to when the Rapture occures(pre, mid or post tribulation).

I have always understood the Rapture to mean at the end of the Tribulation when Jesus returns and not before. And, if christians are Raptured before christ returns, then how is it done and do they come back with Jesus when he returns?

could you provide scripture and teach me to understsand it.
Thanks.

kimberlyfredrick

10-02-2006, 03:59 AM

Arron,

How does the martyers under the alter in the 5th seal play into this Rapture Doctrine. They are told to wait there until all the future christians are martyered. yet in the Tribulation christians are marytered all the way up until christ returns and throws Satan in the Abyss for 1,000 years. Accept for the 5 month period were christians have the seal of God and are protected from the Demon Locusts. Could you explain all this to me. Thanks in advance.

kimberlyfredrick

10-02-2006, 04:10 AM

Arron,

And another thing, If all the christians are Raptured, then who is gonna preach to the unsaved? Who is left to do God's work here? You know, Ministers, Missionarys, charities? Who is gonna feed the hungry, work in the Charity hospitals here and in third world countries, feed the poor and heal the sick? Is god gonna let them do without?

abiyah

10-02-2006, 02:45 PM

Aaron WROTE:
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QUOTE: abiyah why do you defend a man who does not hold to the christian way of things he does not hol;d to any of the doctrines of the church (chriatian) such as trinity... rapture....none of thes things does he believe in. ...... " END
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God's Word is rich is symbolism, idioms, FIGURES OF SPEECH, and customs of the times.

It is written [ Ezekiel 13:17-23 ] that The LORD your God is AGAINST those who teach His children to 'fly' to save their souls, for it was man who took I Thessalonians 4:17 and turned it into some 'fly away' doctrine. It is not fruit which comes from The Tree of Life, but rather its fruit that comes from the tree of knowledge of good & evil, the rapture seems sooo good, yet it is so evil.... WHY ? Because it misleads people to worship the false christ which is satan. Do you KNOW which Tree to get your fruit from ? And here in this 20th verse we find out exactly what God thinks of the fly away, raptured doctrine.

Ezekiel 13:20
" Wherefore thus saith The Lord GOD; Behold, I am AGAINST your pillows [these are coverings for concealment, false doctrines that cover The Truth], wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly [ = the rapture doctrine ], and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly [ fly away, rapture doctrine ]. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif It is written that Christ is COMING HERE to earth at The Second Advent, in that He shall DESCEND from Heaven, IT IS WRITTEN that His feet SHALL TOUCH The Mount of Olives [ Acts 1:11-12 ], IT is WRITTEN that when Christ returns at The Second Advent that all those who are alive in flesh SHALL be changed in a twinkling of an eye into their spiritual bodies [ I Corinthians 16:51-53 ], all those that are WITH Christ SHALL be 'gathered' to Him [Mark 13:26-27 ], NOT IN THE AIR, but in the breath of life body, in a 'cloud', that being a MULTITUDE of overcomers [ I Thessalonians 4:17 ]. SEE ???? Jesus Christ is COMING HERE with a rod of Iron [ Revelation 19:15 ], HE SHALL rule as KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS, HERE on earth [ Revelation 19:16 ]. It is written that at His Return EVERY knee SHALL bow and EVERY tongue SHALL confess to God [ Romans 14:11 ]. But before that... it is written that the son of perdition shall come first [ II Thessalonians 2:2-3 ], before The Second Advent, and this son of perdition will claim to be Christ, he will claim to be God [ II Thessalonians 2:4 ]. We are to have The Gospel Armour on and in place to STAND AGAINST the fiery darts of satan [ Ephesians 6:10-19 ], those lies, to stand against that fake peace, we are not flying away, but rather standing AGAINST God's enemy, our enemy which is satan, who is the son of perdition= anti-christ.

Abiyah

abiyah

10-02-2006, 02:55 PM

Aaron ALSO Wrote:
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QUOTE: " ...... you just want to argue about something all th time.now you have singled me out as your argueing with. now good by " END
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning Aaron,

Again, I'm sorry that you feel the way you do. You have me all wrong, for I have in no way whatsoever singled you out. You come to these Shepherd's Chapel Threads and post, if you do not want to discuss Father's Word than why do you come here ? For that is why I'm here, to discuss Truth with all that gather here, not just you, so please... and I mean no disrespect, but for you to say that I've singled you out... do not flatter yourself brother. " ) But if you are leaving these threads then I also say to you ' goodbye' and take care friend.

Agape,

Abiyah

david_munson

10-02-2006, 03:09 PM

Kimberly,
if I could just add a comment or two as I have come to understand it.

The 144,000 of the twelve tribes that have been enlightened will know that Christ is Messiah and will be doing the preaching as well as an angel flying around telling people.Then there will be the two witnesses that decend to give testimony and will be killed and left in the streets for three days until they are ressurected and assend up to God.

Concerning "marters" for the faith,we have Christians being murdered for their testimony today in many nations throughout the world.
(you should see the news articles I have)

I don't think we can accurately draw the conclusion that all Christians will be martered
(that's not to say it will not be a staggering number)but that the number that God has assigned will be completed at a time in the future known to God.
I say that ,because Christians die from natural causes every day as well as accidents and things of such nature.

As far as feeding the sick and tending to the needy,this world is going to be in such upheaval that it will be every man for himself.
Not that people will refuse to try and help each other but it will be trouble like never before and will not be allowed to happen ever again.(thank God)

It will not be like anything we are used to or have ever seen in man's history.
Worse than the flood was.

Perilous times.

I don't think we as believers even understand the scope and magnitude of the events described to us.
Imagine such a horrible event that it causes "silence" in heaven for the space of a half hour.
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

No mention of the event but an indication that it is so horrible that it is not mentioned.

Pray for the peace of Israel.

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arron

10-02-2006, 11:43 PM

i am not leaving.. just saying goodby to you on that particular peice of this thread.

arron

10-02-2006, 11:57 PM

kim i beleive the rapture will take place before the tribulation befroe the antichrist is revealed. rev. tells us that GOD will keepp us from that hour that will try all men and the tribulation is the only hour that will try all men. there will be those who will get saved during the trib. and they will be wittnesses and also the 144,000 jews who will preach the gospel.

kimberlyfredrick

10-03-2006, 02:11 AM

Arron, David,

Thanks for your imput.

Arron, what if that hour God will keep us from is the 5 month period were we are sealed from the stings of the Locusts? Is the 5 month period thge tribulation or the final battle or are they one in the same?

arron

10-03-2006, 02:28 AM

no i do not believe that. it said he will keep us from the hour that will try all men and i belevie that that hour is the tribulation. we as christians will be kept from that time, not in it nor through it. but from it.

plow_deep

10-03-2006, 02:36 AM

The final battle would be when Satan is let loose for a season at the end of the 1000yr reign of the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is called the battle of Gog and Magog.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Peace

kimberlyfredrick

10-03-2006, 02:47 AM

LOL....Plow_Deep you are right. I worded it wrong. I was referring to "Armagedeon"...LOL

david_munson

10-03-2006, 02:54 AM

A lot of folks overlook the fact that there will be a season that satan is released for at the end of the millenium.

Good points all around.

Dave

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plow_deep

10-03-2006, 03:10 AM

Kim,

I wasnt sure when you worded it, or, or, or.

So I threw my two cents into the pot.

Hey Dave,

Are you folks getting cold up there?
I still have loads of tomato's and peppers coming off in the garden everyday.
I'm starting to get a little burnt out on charcoal-grilled tomato, peppers and cheese sandwiches for a couple of months now.

I dont figure on frost hitting for at least another 40 days or so.
Its mid-80's day and low 60's at nite here.

The collards and turnips are starting to jam.

Peace

abiyah

10-03-2006, 02:25 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning to you ALL !

Revelation 3:10
" Because thou hast KEPT THE WORD of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM The Hour of Temptation, which shall come upon ALL the world, to try [ = meaning test ] them that dwell upon the earth. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif How is it that we as Christians are KEPT FROM The Hour of Temptation ? First off, these have KEPT God's Word, and put away man's traditions and false doctrines. ALL that know and understand that the false christ comes FIRST [ II Thessalonians 2:2-4 ], before The True Jesus Christ at The Second Advent shall be KEPT FROM The Hour of Temptation, for they will not find satan tempting at all, no matter how well he plays the role of 'sweet Jesus'.

Satan is the 'tempter' [ Matthew 4:3 ], that is one of his names, and as it is written in the Book of Daniel, he SHALL come in peaceably
[ Daniel 11:21 ] and prosperously
[ Daniel 8:23-25 ] during this hour. At the appearance of the son of perdition, which is the instead-of or anti-christ, as he pretends to be Christ and claim that he is God, we will be in a one world system, he will control it, and at this time he will tempt people with whatever their hearts desire,' IF ' they will bow a knee and worship him; And it is here that we will see the great apostacy spoken of by Paul in II Thessalonians 2:3, that great falling away happens first, BEFORE The True Christ's Return at The Second Advent. Here we SHALL see many Christians fall away from the True Jesus Christ to the false christ, because they think Jesus has come to rapture them away. During this time no one can buy or sell UNLESS they worship satan, the beast [ Revelation 13:17 ]. But for all those who do know and understand this Truth KNOW that our Heavely Father is ABLE, and He will take care of you, you do not need to worship satan for any reason, for if you do you are in danger of comitting the unpardonable sin because you know better.

Many will be tempted, by the 'tempter', which is satan, the son of perdition, as he plays the role of the instead and/or anti-christ, EXCEPT for those that know and understand who he really is, these are those that do not find satan tempting, but rather they find him to be an abomination [ Mark 13:14 & Daniel 11:31 ], and THIS IS HOW one is KEPT FROM The Hour of Temptation, for they can NOT be tempted by him for any reason. Those that know who he really is will not fall away in the great apostacy from the true God to the fake, and they SHALL STAND AGAINST him [ Ephesians 6 ], and at this time many of God's elect shall be delivered up before the false or anti-christ, and it will be at that time that The Holy Spirit SHALL speak through God's elect [ Matthew 10:19-20 ], just as it did in Acts chapter 2. Also, those that are sealed are not only of the tribe of Judah, for it is written that 144,000 OF The Children of Israel are sealed
[ Revelation 7:4 ], that being ALL 12 Tribes; these here have knowledge to know that the false christ comes first, BEFORE The True Jesus Christ. This is why Christ The Lord does not gather together His elect [ Mark 13:24-27 ], UNTIL AFTER you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not, and that is satan the son of perdition, standing in The Holy Place [ Mount Zion ] CLAIMING to be God [ Isaiah 14:12-15 ].

Abiyah

abiyah

10-03-2006, 02:40 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif Hey ALL !

One more thing I'd like to say if I may. Please, please do not take my word for that which I have written in the above post no. 485; but rather get your Bible, and SEEK OUT The
[ Scriptures ] in which I have placed between the brackets in the above post, and document for yourself that what I have told you is Truth. And God forbid that I would tell you anything other than His Truth . Pray to The Father, through The Name of His Son, and 'ASK' Him for understanding. And may God Bless you all in your Studies of His Word, which is True, and if it be His will, may He greatly bless your understanding of His overall plan concerning these endtimes.

And with regards to the above posts subject, please... remember The Words of Christ your Lord, and take heed to yourselves.

Mark 13:21
" And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, He is there; believe him NOT; "

Don't believe it, for the fake comes first !

Abiyah

david_munson

10-03-2006, 02:59 PM

Hello Plow_deep,
Good to hear that your garden has done so well.
We've had some frost but not enough to bother the gardens around this part quite yet.

It's in the 40's and 50's in the day time and drops into the high 30's at night.
I'm running the woodstove at times just to keep us warm enough to make it to next month when we start using the furnace at night.

The worst thing is that this white trash trailer home (LOL) was made for Louisiana and has the insulation of a doghouse.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif
On the brighter side,we have a home to live in.

Those grilled sandwiches sound really good until you eat yourself into hating the site of them,LOL.
Too much of a good thing hey?(I've done that)
God bless you,
Dave
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david_munson

10-03-2006, 03:09 PM

Abiyah,
good point about the false presenting himself as the one.
Though we percieve some things differently
I would like to add that there are many false Christs around the world even now.
Myatria (I think that's how he spells it) is one such false Christ.

Benny Hinn made a statement that Christ would visibly appear onstage with him during one of his "crusades."(in Africa)
Guess who showed up?
Myatria all dressed in white garments.

I guess Hinn doesn't know the Lord if he thinks myatria is Christ.
Best advice,know the true and you will spot the fakes.

Shalom,
Dave
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abiyah

10-03-2006, 03:38 PM

David WROTE:
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QUOTE: " I would like to add that there are many false Christs around the world even now.
Myatria (I think that's how he spells it) is one such false Christ. "
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning to you David ! " )

Yes indeed... you are so right when it comes to false christs even today, and that also refers to false CHRISTians... fakes... pretending to be of Christ....pretending they are followers of Christ, yet there hearts are far from Him. However, the false christ in which I speak of in my above post is THE false christ, that son of perdition, satan as he plays the role of the instead-of christ, the anti-christ. This one is more subtle than any. For this false christ in which I speak of in my above post, has power and can work great wonders and miracles, and he will do so in the sight of all those that dwell on this earth. This one that I speak of is not simply one of many false christs, but rather he is THE false christ, he is THE false messiah, THE
INSTEAD OF christ, that son of perdition who is to appear BEFORE The True Jesus Christ our Lord [ II Thessalonians 2:2-4 ]. This false christ, these being THE false christ is far more subtle, and shall have far more power than any of these false christs which are out here today. For here it is written what THIS false christ, which is satan the political and religous beast can and SHALL do, BEFORE the Second Advent.

Revelation 13:13
" And he doeth GREAT WONDERS, so that he maketh fire [ = lightening ] come down from heaven on the earth in the SIGHT OF MEN, "

Revelation 13:14
" And DECEIVETH them that dwell on the earth by the means of those MIRACLES which he had POWER to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that DWELL ON THE EARTH, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. "

Daniel 8:24
" And his power shall be MIGHTYy, but not by his own power [ God has allowed him to do this to test those that dwell on the earth ]: and he shall DESTROY wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Abiyah

arron

10-03-2006, 04:01 PM

i know that i will go in the rapture, i know some on this board do not believe in the rapture. i know also that i will not be deceived by the antichrist for i will be gone before he is revealed. i know this by GODS WORD THE BIBLE. i am assured of it so there is no need or use totry to talk me out of it. you can twist the scriptures all you want or say it mean somethingother than what it says or take mans opinion but i will take what THE BIBLE says abut it.

kimberlyfredrick

10-03-2006, 05:49 PM

Excellent post Abiyah

Yes, Jesus does insruct us to 'flee' when we see the Abomination/Satan standing in the Holy place, not 'fly away'. That is proof enough that Jesus will NOT come before pre-trib. Satan MUST be here on earth for that scripture to come to pass. Excellent use of Scripture! Our Father's Word is truely awsome.

David

Good information on Benny Hinn. I think I have read some info. on that 'M' guy. WhenI read your post about him the hair on the back of my neck stood up!...LOL. That Hinn guy is such a fraud. How could people think he be a man of God? He reaks of 'phony'. I hava a passion to want to lash out at these Televangelists. It's close to hate. put it this way, if all the Televangelists were in a plane and it exploded in mid-air, well....I'd have a 'victory Dance' right there in front of the tube. No....not very Christian. I'm just so dang frustrated with the likes of most of them. They are truely dangerous. I do not like how they hurt Fathers children and take their money away from them in the name of God and Christ.

kimberlyfredrick

10-03-2006, 05:59 PM

check this guy out

I pulled this link off of another board

http://www.ceqenglish.com

watchman_2

10-04-2006, 05:30 AM

plow_deep and kimberlyfredrick,

Thank you both for your kind words.

The evolutionists have lots of 'scientific' links to review. But, as you know, their theory is fatally flawed.

Losers in any debate exhibit the same traits whether it be here under the SC topic or under the evolution topic. When one cannot counter the arguments, one results to personal insults.

For most people, it is always better to shoot the messenger than to ever admit that one is wrong.

watchman_2

10-04-2006, 05:35 AM

abiyah,

When any of my brothers and sisters in Christ are away for awhile, they are in my thoughts and prayers. Although I do not express it near enough, I am thankful to be associated in the Spirit with all of you here.

I am especially envious of your steadfast grace and patience with those that disagree and sometimes disparage.

May God bless you and all of our brothers and sisters!

kimberlyfredrick

10-04-2006, 05:52 AM

Hello Everyone,

Sorry for my above post. I am going through a crisis in my personal life right now and for some reason decided to post a rant about Televangilists. I just re-read that post and was ashamed I posted it. And the funny thing is, they have nothing to do with my situation....LOL.

watchman_2

10-04-2006, 01:53 PM

kimberlyfredrick,

I hope that all will go well with your personal crisis.

abiyah

10-04-2006, 03:18 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifVery Good Morning to you Watchman;

And Peace unto you brother; Thank you so very much for your sincerely kind-hearted words. I am just so Thankful to our Father that I am able to come here and keep such fine company with a brother in Christ such as yourself Watchman. : ) Thank you for all that you do here in keeping God's Truth !!! And may multiple blessing be upon you from God our Father this day and everyday, forevermore; in the name of Immanuel, Jesus The Christ; Amen.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifAnd Hello There to you also Kimberly;

God Bless your heart; We all have days in our lives that are not always so great, and at times we all think things that are not so nice, you're human..... we get frustrated at times and say and think things that later we regret. I understand that, as I think we all do. No one is perfect. And when false preachers, false teachers, and false ministers of God's Word give you righteous indignation, just remember that soon enough God SHALL Judge them for their works, and He is fair, and find great comfort in knowing that The Judgement of The LORD God IS the redemption of the righteous. Rest easy with the crisis in your life at this time, try not to let it trouble you, but rather do your vey best to solve this problem, and whatever you can not handle, your Heavenly Father will take it from there, and you'll get through whatever it is just fine, keep your head up to Heaven, for there is your help, and before you know it, Praise be to God, this crisis shall pass, and all will be well with you once again. Remember through the stroms of life [ Matthew 8:24-26 ], you just keep your eyes on Jesus Christ our Lord, for only He can calm the storms of life. I pray that Father help you get through this troubled time Kimberly, and that whatever this crisis may be that it soon be a thing of the past; in the name of Immanuel, Jesus The Christ; Amen.

Agape to you both

Abiyah

terluvire

10-04-2006, 03:22 PM

Good Morning All!

Kimberly, I hope that all goes well in your personal life also.

Watchman, I've been reading the evolutionists threads and you are doing real well. When they start to dump on your beliefs instead of sticking to the subject.....you won! It shows they have no argument, so they turn on you instead.

I was also surprised to see how many Christians believe in evolution! It's sad really, because they don't know how to square the scriptures with fossil remains, they insert evolution into their beliefs.

Abiyah, I always enjoy reading your posts! Good work!

david_munson

10-04-2006, 03:34 PM

Hey Watchman,
I heard a guy talking about evolution just yesterday.
He asked a very good question of the atheists.

If evolution is possible,then how did the sexes evolve and when?
Which sex was first and how did the impersonal process of evolution decide or know to make sexual opposites in order for the Species to survive?

I bet they have some strange answers to provide to those questions.LOL

Good day friends,
Dave
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david_munson

10-04-2006, 03:34 PM

abiyah

10-04-2006, 03:59 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif Hi There Terluvire & David !

I hope you both have a greeeeeat day ! " ) And may the grace & peace of our Lord Christ Jesus be upon your hearts.

Abiyah

terluvire

10-04-2006, 04:02 PM

Abiyah,

You are just so nice.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif I hope you have a great day also, along with everyone else here.

God bless you!!!

arron

10-04-2006, 04:32 PM

i dont beleivve in evolution. GOD created the ehavens and the earth in six days the bible says and that is good enough for me. GOD is GOD and HE IS aand that is good enough for me. i did not come from monkeys or from a ball of snot out of the ocean. GOD made man in HIS OWN IMAGE and that is good enough for me.

terluvire

10-04-2006, 04:49 PM

Arron, I'm glad to see you don't believe in evolution.

Plow, I really enjoyed reading your post to Franklin. You did an wonderful job!!

terluvire

10-04-2006, 05:44 PM

I was studying the book of Isaiah today and read a verse I would love to share with all of you:

Isa 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

I find great comfort in our Father's word.

abiyah

10-04-2006, 06:51 PM

Terluvire Wrote:
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QUOTE: " I find great comfort in our Father's word. " END QUOTE
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Ohhhh me too Terluvire, me too. Thank you for sharing that Scripture from Father's Word with us all. : )

Agape,

Abiyah

kimberlyfredrick

10-04-2006, 09:29 PM

Watchman,Teluvire and Abiyah,

Thank you all for your kind words too me. It is such a blessing to have internet friends such as you 3 and also all the others here to fellowship with. Our heavenly Father has such great love for all of you here, as do I. May your day today be richly blessed with peace, love and joy.

plow_deep

10-05-2006, 05:58 PM

Howdy Folks,

"Plow, I really enjoyed reading your post to Franklin. You did an wonderful job!!"

I certainly didnt enjoy posting it, and I left factnet with a heavy heart yesterday, and returned today with dread, and feeling much the same way.

I made my 1st stop in the Chapel folder today and here is some of what I found:

Isa 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

Wow! Thanks Terluvire, That was right on time, and just what I needed.

Arron wrote:
"i did not come from monkeys or from a ball of snot out of the ocean."

Hilarious! Thanks.

Dave, between the insulation issues (my house was built in the 50's and insulation wasnt apart of our vocabulary here in the deep south at that time), and ending one of your posts with, "This bracket follows me around --->" really cracked me up. Though it might sound silly, your endeavour to remain light-hearted is inspiring in itself.

Kimberlyfredreck wrote:
"It is such a blessing to have internet friends such as you 3 and also all the others here to fellowship with. Our heavenly Father has such great love for all of you here, as do I. May your day today be richly blessed with peace, love and joy."

Here! Here! I second that emotion.

Thanks Folks, I feel much better already.

Peace

terluvire

10-05-2006, 07:18 PM

Hi Plow,

Quote:
I certainly didnt enjoy posting it, and I left factnet with a heavy heart yesterday, and returned today with dread, and feeling much the same way.

You know, I have left factnet feeling that way many, many, times. And that feeling of dread....I know exactly what you are talking about. The last time I felt like completely leaving factnet was right around the time you started posting. Part of the reason for staying were your posts. I was so happy to see that our efforts were not in vain!

This verse comes to mind:
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Many servants of God are being sealed. Our job is to fish, God does the sealing. These truly are awesome times we live in!!!

Quote:
Though it might sound silly, your endeavour to remain light-hearted is inspiring in itself.

I agree. Dave, though you might not agree with us on many issues, we are family through Christ. I respect your civilness towards us. Thanks.

Kimberly, I am also thankful for my internet friends. All of you are an inspiration to me. Everyone's perserverance helps me to continue on.

kimberlyfredrick

10-05-2006, 08:07 PM

Plow_Deep,

So.....were in the deep south do you reside?

I am presently in Senatobia, Mississippi. About 40 miles south of Memphis, TN.

Just for fun, were is everybody from anyway???
....you guys wanna start a thread for a small bio of ourselves?.....

terluvire

10-05-2006, 08:52 PM

Hi Kimberly,

I'm from the Northeast, but that's as much info I want to give on the internet...lol Factnet is not the most friendly and trusting place to post private info..lololol

plow_deep

10-06-2006, 03:27 AM

Thanks Terluvire, Your posts amongst others, draw me back too!

Kimberly,

I do hope you heed Terluvire's wise words of caution. I too dislike giving out personal info on the internet. I have given more here in the Chapel threads then I ever have anywhere on the net. I guess because I'm comfortable here. Dont follow my lead though, I have no dependents to protect, and really dont fear any mortal men. Factnet definitely isnt a safe place, your a sweet person, please be careful.

I live in southwest Georgia near Ft. Benning.

I'm an army brat that grew up all over the world, and I have the utmost respect for the Military men, but have little respect for the Political leaders that misuse, abuse, and then cast them aside when its all said and done.

I'm a Military historian/Constitutionalist/Biker/Deadhead/Merry Prankster type person of Anglo-Saxon/Scottish/Cherokee/Lakota ancestery that naturally rebels against the kings and queens that man sets up over me.

The more I study the Word, the more I realise I suffer from the classic "Ehphraim syndrome" of what I'm starting to realise are my roots.

I truly try to be a law abiding citizen living here in the Wilderness/United States.

These days I'm comfortable to be known as a Christian. Christ-man. Totally for Jesus Christ, My true King of kings and Lord of lords.

I hope my description of myself doesnt offend anyone, but this is the way I see it.

Peace

terluvire

10-06-2006, 05:32 AM

Hi Plow,

Quote:
I hope my description of myself doesnt offend anyone, but this is the way I see it.

Ahh heck no, I don't see why it would.

Quote:
I'm a Military historian/Constitutionalist/Biker/Deadhead/Merry Prankster type person of Anglo-Saxon/Scottish/Cherokee/Lakota ancestery

Now that explains how you know so much concerning political history and such. Some people have a natual yearning toward that. Myself, sadly, I do not, with the history part anyway. I'm fine with following current events..lol But I wish I did have a yearning for political history. : ) Oh But I do love ancient history!! I'll watch documentaries and read books, but I don't study them to know it intimately. I wish I had.

Myself, I am a mixture of ancestries. I'm part Irish, Scottish, English, Jewish, German...oh and French. Don't hate me for the french part...lol Just kidding to any french people reading. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Plow, I'm glad you feel comfortable with us. What a compliment! Thanks. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Hey plow, my sister in-law is part Cherokee and Lakota. "Kool" huh!!

plow_deep

10-06-2006, 07:34 AM

Hey Terluvire,

That is interesting about your in-law.

The Lakota comes from my Dads side (mid-west) and Cherokee from my Moms side (western North Carolina mountains), thinned from many generations back on both sides.

You can see it in my Dad but not in his brothers or sisters. One of his brothers has 15 kids and you can see it in some of them. 15 kids boggles my mind! They all live together on the same land with their families and kids, and kids!

My Great Grandmother and one my sisters and her kid show the Cherokee. I have 3 older sisters, the oldest and I, have light brown hair, blue eyes, fair complections, one sister carrot red hair and green eyes, heavy freckles, the other could pass for full blooded Cherokee.

I once entertained the idea of joining a reservation when I was younger, but didnt posess enough blood. Trying to pull any info on my Indian blood out of My Parents or Grandparents was nearly impossible. They are depression era generation and wouldnt discuss it. Thanks to an Aunt on 1 side and a Great Aunt the other, I atleast got some idea on how far back it traced. I have an Aunt who is a member of the Daughters of tha American Revolution. She's in her late 70's and a wealth of information. I wish I could sit down with her and learn more before she passes. Nobody else cares about the family history (that I know of), besides me, her and the now deceased Great Aunt from my Dads side.

Okay I'm done, you perked my interest with the info on your in-law, my indian mix is not so unique as I had thought.

One last thing...please dont eat the snails. No Joke! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lame.gif

Peace

watchman_2

10-06-2006, 12:48 PM

Hi David,

You wrote, If evolution is possible,then how did the sexes evolve and when?
Which sex was first and how did the impersonal process of evolution decide or know to make sexual opposites in order for the Species to survive?

Of course, we know that the simplest one-celled organisms reproduce by mitosis. It is an impossible leap of logic to suggest that, at some point during the evolutionary process, an organism that reproduced by self division would change course to reproduction through sexes. And, who would that first evolved sex, male or female, reproduce with. Everyone knows [according to the evolutionists] that females take longer to evolve then males.

Then there was the decision whether to become a plant or stay an animal.

With all these gaping holes in logic, many evolutionists see their theory as fact.

So, though I may pick on folks here for false Christian beliefs, it could be a lot worse -- evolutionism.

I guess that, here, we all agree that God is the creator.

Amen!

david_munson

10-06-2006, 03:37 PM

Amen Watchman,
Amen!

I had to laugh when I read this statement you made.It shows how silly the idea of evolution really is.

"Then there was the decision whether to become a plant or stay an animal."

God bless you,
Dave
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terluvire

10-07-2006, 03:46 PM

Good Morning All and may God's peace be upon everyone.

Plow, wow 15 kids!!! LOL That is mind boggling. I love kids but I couldn't imagine having that many! More power to them..lol But they truly are blessed.

Don't worry about me eating snails. They are disgusting!!! lol Couldn't pay me enough money to eat them..lololol

Speaking of my sister in-law, I don't know too much about the history of her lineage. She said it in passing. You can tell she is part American Indian by looking at her. She has the high and defined cheekbones. It's a shame that both of her parents have passed on. I don't know how much she knows of her family's history. Next time I talk to her, I'll ask. Hopefully her parents talked some of their history.

You know, it's not hard to imagine how the Israelites forgot who they are. Look at how many families really do know their family history. Going back a few generations can be tough. Many cannot go back past 2 generations, let alone a couple hundred years.

plow_deep

10-07-2006, 11:09 PM

"Plow, wow 15 kids!!! LOL That is mind boggling. I love kids but I couldn't imagine having that many! More power to them..lol But they truly are blessed."

Yes! Can you imagine the financial struggle my Uncle had? He was a civil engineer...I think they do okay, but still...whew!

I havent seen them since a few times when I was a kid.

They live near Kansas city, Kansas on the banks of the missouri? river. Its bottom land that floods out every few years. You would have to see the 20 ft. high foundations on their houses to realise what a trip that is in itself. Still they sometimes get flooded out, the last visit we had as a family, I remember my Uncle pointing out the floodline a couple of feet from the ceiling to my parents.

Those were some great visits to remember for me as a child.

Kid heaven! Plenty of kids to play with, no chance of boredom.

My Dad still visits, he told me the last time, a couple years ago. He said there are so many people running around, it made him nervous , and everyone stops in to pay respects. He said he will never visit his brother again, its too much work trying to remember names and such. Everybody has married and built their homes right there except for 2 or 3 of the children.

With a shake of his head, he told me there there are 40 to 50 people living there now since I was last there 30+ years ago.

Dont take me serious, I so love to kid the french.
I worked with a French Canadian years ago in a plant in South Carolina that loved to kid the English. Our good natured exchanges were enjoyed by all for years. He was a military historian with a French point of view. We taught each other a much different outlook on what we thought we knew, that "broadened our horizions" so to speak.

Peace

terluvire

10-09-2006, 03:02 AM

HI Plow,

Yes, I can only imagine how much work 15 kids must have been. I had 4 foster kids plus my own son for a year and half, and boy, they ran me ragged...lol I could not imagine taking care of 15 kids!! But you are right, when there are that many kids, there is no boredom. My son was never bored when the 4 foster kids lived with us..lololol

Oh, don't worry about the French thing. I just found out about the French ancestry about a year and a half ago..lol I don't mind the jokes. Heck I've heard all the Irish jokes, I even tell Irish jokes myself..lol

Your family reunions must be huge!! I wouldn't want to provide the food..lol