What Can We Agree On [Archive]

ezekiel_37

04-07-2006, 08:00 AM

So....

there are some things that we can agree on.....

lets go over some of those points.

Jesus Christ is Messiah
There is only one God
To know the Son is to know the Father
Jesus is the Living Word
In the beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Christ died for our sins
There will be a tribulation
There will be a 7th trump gathering
There will be a thousand year Millenial reign of Christ with His Saints.
There will be a division of the people (souls)
All flesh is transformed to Spiritual bodies at the arrival of Jesus at the 7th trump
The anti-christ rules play acting like Jesus.
The anti-christ is defeated at Christ's arrival
The elect are in here through the tribulation
The churches are here throughout the tribulation
Many will profess Christ, and He will say to some...I never knew you
There will be a one world religion
There will be a one world government
There will be the abomination of desolation (the anti-christ himself sitting where he ought not to)in Jerusalem
There will be some called to be elect of God and witness before the anti-christ, and use the Spiritual Gift of Tongues, God speaking through the elect, and this shall be the final witness to all mankind.
Christ shall touch down only once, not twice.
God teaches in EX 13 that He is against those who teach His children to fly to save their souls

wow this list could go on for a long time...
who's next....

ezekiel_37

04-07-2006, 08:01 AM

I meant EZ 13

sorry!

david_munson

04-07-2006, 02:35 PM

The only certain think that believers can all agree on is "Christ and Him crucified."

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ezekiel_37

04-18-2006, 09:51 AM

What about the rest?

Christ is Messiah...etc...

Peace
c

david_munson

04-19-2006, 06:51 PM

I'm sticking with the Apostle Paul on this one.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Makes it simpler.

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ezekiel_37

04-20-2006, 12:05 AM

but not as informative

nor can you prepare for the spiritual battle against the firey darts of Satan.

look at the list again Dave.

What else can we agree on?

How about Jesus is the Living Word!

ezekiel_37

04-20-2006, 12:07 AM

Or Christ being the Messiah.....

Dave do you PERSONALLY agree that Christ Jesus is the prophecyed Messiah?

arron

07-01-2006, 10:20 PM

i beleive that JESUS IS THE PROPHECIED, PROMISED MESSIAH FOR THE WORLD. I BELIEVE THAT HE CAME AND GAVE HIS LIFE AND DIED FOR ALL. AND THAT HE WILL COME AGAIN AS PROMISED. I MAY NOT AGREE WITH ALL THS OTHER DOCTRINE THATA RE BEING PREACHED TODAY BUT THIS I CAN AGREE ON.

david_munson

07-02-2006, 05:21 PM

Zeke,
only the Messiah could have fulfilled the prophecy of the crucifiction.(Jesus)
Christ and Him crucified.
Only the incarnate Word of God could have fulfilled the prophecies.(Jesus)

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balaam

08-04-2006, 06:53 PM

SC is a cult! Led by a false teacher!

Galatians 1:7-9 (KJV)
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

danispeachy

08-04-2006, 08:09 PM

I have a million smart a** comments I could make right about now... instead i'll just *Rolls eyes*.

ezekiel_37

08-04-2006, 10:36 PM

lol

I got that one

terluvire

08-04-2006, 11:37 PM

Quote: I got that one

lol... me too!!

david_munson

08-05-2006, 05:22 PM

Danis,
I just have to say this in the spirit of humor.
The "smart a$$" statement.Does it have to do with balaam's a$$?
Numbers 22:25 And when the ••• saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.

Sorry folks,I have an inherited weird sense of humor.
No harm intended.
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Balaam,
there are other members of Christ within this group called Sheperds Chapel.Like there are in other groups that have the basic tenets of salvation.

We may disagree with the minor doctrines that are preached but they profess Christ as Lord and saviour as we do.There are many Christians within SC.

Please remember that no one has a corner on the truth and that belief and trust in Christ is not negated by error in minor doctrines.

Dave
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godchild

08-05-2006, 05:33 PM

When sc followers say 'Christ will touch down' on the earth, where do you say (geographic location) that will be?

ezekiel_37

08-05-2006, 06:54 PM

where He went up from......

in His service
c

terluvire

08-05-2006, 07:00 PM

godchild,
Quote:
When sc followers say 'Christ will touch down' on the earth, where do you say (geographic location) that will be?

This is what God says:
Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

And:
Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

And:
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

ezekiel_37

08-05-2006, 07:25 PM

So, that is how He comes back, and where we are to look for Him, at the Mount of Olives.....as it is refered to now.

Nice documentation Terluvire...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

ezekiel_37

08-05-2006, 07:25 PM

So, that is how He comes back, and where we are to look for Him, at the Mount of Olives.....as it is refered to now.

Nice documentation Terluvire...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

in His service
c

david_munson

08-06-2006, 02:26 AM

That seems to be the general consensus as far as I have heard.
I would though also consider the last battle where He comes to speak death in the valley of Jesreel.The battle of Armageddon.

Then we have to consider that His feet will split the earth at the Mount and people are told to run into the crevass.

Something to think about hey?

Dave
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godchild

08-06-2006, 03:07 AM

And do you believe the "New Jerusalem" will be where the old Jerusalem is now; in Isreal?

balaam

08-06-2006, 04:07 AM

Balaam,
there are other members of Christ within this group called Sheperds Chapel.Like there are in other groups that have the basic tenets of salvation.

We may disagree with the minor doctrines that are preached but they profess Christ as Lord and saviour as we do.There are many Christians within SC.

Please remember that no one has a corner on the truth and that belief and trust in Christ is not negated by error in minor doctrines.

David,

I understand what you are saying, but vehemently disagree.

Error in minor doctrines-- wow! That's an understatement!! After listening to FDS Murray and his "Arnold-etts" parroting everything he says, you can't possibly think these people are true followers of Christ! If you do, so be it.

If you listened to Murray on CD, you would be amazed at all the false teaching he brings forth. It would take volumes and years to shoot down all the nonsense he dreams up. Minor doctrines indeed!

All I can say is GO godchild, aaron, etc.-- everyone posting against SC, give 'em heck!

Titus 1:15-16 (KJV)
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Murray is always talking about believing in "traditions of men" -- yeah, I'll believe in Paul and David-- those traditions are some of the best! Gotta stay away from the spirit of error which permeates SC!

I'll be praying for these people to be liberated from this cult; but I'm not gonna fence with anybody here, so no need to respond.

Have a NICE day, one and all. Good luck and Godspeed.

godchild

08-06-2006, 06:09 AM

David, I am also shocked that you would consider what is being taught here as 'errors in minor doctrines'! The verses balaam shared were so appropriate.

I'm not going to fence any longer. But I will continue to show their error in adding to scripture and taking away.

ezekiel_37

08-06-2006, 06:35 AM

touche

david_munson

08-06-2006, 03:26 PM

The Gospel isn't contingent upon anything other than Christ's Shed Blood.
Every group that calls itself by the name of Christ has doctrinal error in it's theology somewhere.
It is not possible for them not to and any one claiming they don't is already decieved.

The important part is that of what we do with Christ and whether we know Him or not.
The minor doctrines are those that are not doctrines of Christ's salvation.
The main focus is Christ.

Get that wrong and He says "I don't know you."
All the error in any other area will be dealt with over a period of time by the Holy Spirit's conviction in our hearts.Even to the point of His return.

I am not willing to actually challenge someones salvation because of error in doctrines unrelated to salvation though I do challenge doctrines that are erronious.

In all Christendom there are many differing beliefs in minor areas.
Salvation is first and fore most.
Without it there can be no correction and direction.

I having come out of a personality cult that used twisted scriptures and manipulation to cause fear of questioning the "pastor" in order to control God's people have a certain insight from it.
I have had to examine what I have been taught and throw much of it out as worthless.
They had the major tenets down pat but the minor doctrines where used to manipulate inoccent seekers.
These seekers are my brethren in the Lord.
They have been told that it is sin to even talk to anyone who disagrees with any one in "authority" because leaders are more anointed than followers,which I find to be a heinous manipulative lieing devilish statement.

There is the body universal that exists all over this planet.It is made up of those who trust implicitly in the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you look real hard you will see them in most every group claiming the name of Christ.
Not all in the group will be Christ's though.
That is just the way it is.
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Balaam,
I hope my foray into humor has not offended you,I meant no harm by it.
I disagree though about there not being any that are our brethren in Sheperds Chapel.
I have read many times of faith in Jesus atonement by some of the SC'ers.

John 3:16.

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ezekiel_37

08-09-2006, 08:51 PM

hi David...

I see in your words, a love of Christ, although you fall as most of us here do, into negative fighting.

Minor doctrine, I agree that Christ will see past this....

I do not think that the rapture is a minor doctrine, as we believe that it will be Satan's big trick, fooling the world....

Now Dave, I know that you believe that we are kept from wrath by being removed from earth before the antiChrist appears.

At one time I also believed this, because it was taught to me by family.

IF, dave, IF

...the gathering/rapture does not happen until the 7th trump, then those Christians who were looking for it will not escape the trib., but rather will still be looking for the Messiah to rapture them away early...

IF dave IF there is no rapture before the 7th trump, then this would set up the entire world to be deceived, as the Word states.

The christians of today would be looking for the very first Messianic figure to arrive, and the anti-Christ is the devil cast from heaven, a supernatural angel with abilities that man does not have. He does, according to scripture, fool the entire planet..

The elect are the only ones not fooled, and they are sealed by God. They have His mark and are 100% protected from any wrath either that of Satan's or God Himself...He is not mad at them.

We can be kept from wrath while being right here, as each biblical example teaches...

Noah

and the

the firey furnace

being 2 examples that you use....

they didn't go away, but rather were in or on it. Protected by God.

This all said, I am a firm believer that God will not cast these fooled directly into hell but rather they will need to be taught the truth for 1000 years, and then tested again.

They failed the 1st test, and after the 1000 years, Satan is released again, one last time...

and then the Judgement of God.

so, Christians that will be fooled by the anti-Christ(Satan) will have the chance to learn the truth in the Millenium, and overcome then....if possible, as God is going to save as many as is possible.

So, even if one loves God and claims Him as their Savior, it does not mean that they are elect. Only the elect are not fooled. The others are, for their greater good, as God wants ABSOLUTE LOVE and TRUTH, not anything less. No fakes, not saying that you are, but if one is fooled in the tribulation, then the road is a lot harder to travel.....but it is possible.

in His service
c

david_munson

08-10-2006, 05:12 PM

Zeke,
"if" the rapture does not take place it will have zero effect on me.
As I have stated before (I don't know if you read it) I am not looking for the rapture though I believe in it.

I am looking for Christ's body on this earth no matter what group they may be involved with.
I am looking for opportunities that the Lord places in my path while I am here.

I am watching the prophecies that are taking place even now.
Among other things.

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ezekiel_37

08-11-2006, 10:15 PM

The Gathering will happen Dave, just not till the 7th trump...and then.....spiritual bodies, so we shall 100% know that it is or is not Christ because of this fact.....

when Christ's feet touch down on the Mount of Olives, that is the 7th trump and ALL are changed.1Cor15.

So, we can't get fooled now, can we..if we know this....

for in your early rapture, I assume that you will be changed, right? No longer flesh?.....

So, in either case, we must be changed, from flesh to spirit body, if the true Messiah is here on earth at the 7th trump

or in your belief, removing the faithful before this.

either way....the change right david...casue if you will agree to that then i would be a happy guy.

in His service
c

david_munson

08-13-2006, 03:51 PM

Zeke,
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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balaam

08-30-2006, 03:55 PM

Jesus Christ is Messiah
There is only one God -- in the form of 3 persons
To know the Son is to know the Father
Jesus is the Living Word
In the beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Christ died for our sins
There will be a tribulation -- not 2
There will be a 7th trump gathering -- not the same trump in 1 Cor 15
There will be a thousand year Millenial reign of Christ with His Saints.
There will be a division of the people (souls)
All flesh is transformed to Spiritual bodies at the arrival of Jesus at the 7th trump -- WRONG
The anti-christ rules play acting like Jesus.
The anti-christ is defeated at Christ's arrival
The elect are in here through the tribulation -- wrong
The churches are here throughout the tribulation -- wrong
Many will profess Christ, and He will say to some...I never knew you-- SC'ers mainly
There will be a one world religion -- run by the Pope (false prophet)
There will be a one world government
There will be the abomination of desolation (the anti-christ himself sitting where he ought not to)in Jerusalem -- the antichrist will be a man
There will be some called to be elect of God and witness before the anti-christ, and use the Spiritual Gift of Tongues, God speaking through the elect, and this shall be the final witness to all mankind.
Christ shall touch down only once, not twice.
God teaches in EX 13 that He is against those who teach His children to fly to save their souls -- Eze 13 has nothing to do with shooting down the rapture
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"The word rapture isn't in the Bible!"

Neither is homosexual, abortion, or Internet pedophile-- but somehow, we know those are wrong.

The Word is a book of many literary styles and inferences and associations--- because a word is not in there doesn't make it unbiblical to believe a certain doctrine.

terluvire

08-30-2006, 04:44 PM

Balaam,

Please show in Scripture that the antichrist is the pope.

And if you may please explain these verses:
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

kimberlyfredrick

08-30-2006, 04:57 PM

"Many will profess Christ, and He will say to some...I never knew you--SC'ers mainly" Baalam, How could you make a statement like that? How could you! SC students love God very much. How could you judge so cruely? Thankfully, the job of "Judge" is NOT in the hands of people like you. Do you love God? Then teach his word and judge not! Stating that you disagree on doctrine is one thing but you implied that SC students purposely know that they do not serve the one true God and are going to "hell" for it! Ease up man. Everybody here is trying to know and serve God and to do his will. Just 'cause you don't agree on doctrine does'nt mean SC'ers don't have a place in the Kingdom of God.

balaam

08-30-2006, 06:15 PM

terluvire,

I never stated the antichrist is the Pope--- there will be a one world religion; run by the false prophet; whoever the Pope is at the time of the rise of the antichrist, he will be the false prophet.

balaam

08-30-2006, 06:30 PM

kimberly,

You may be right, but false doctrine needs to be spoken out against- Paul wrote against it alot.

I hope you realize this doctrine being spouted by SC is similar to Christian Identity, which is a euphimism for neo Nazi.

Take a look at the traditions of men --- David --
this verse in Psalm 119 is a great tradition to follow!

Psalms 119:104 (KJV)
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

OK, godchild, may need some help here-- I think they are gonna send the Sicherheitsdienst after me!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

kimberlyfredrick

08-30-2006, 06:55 PM

If by Christian Identity you mean British Isrealism, I already knew about it long before Shepherds Chapel existed. I also believe it to be the true word of God and I do not see any racist ideals in it, far from it.I do agree with you that it can be changed into a Doctrine of Devils by using the tactics of Satan. (Telling a truth and then mingling it with a twist of lie.) That is how satan decieves. He gets your attention with the truth and sneaks in a lie. Man with the help of Satan formed racism. God and his true children do not for one minute find one race superior over another.

terluvire

08-30-2006, 07:39 PM

Balaam I apologize if I miss read you. But I still do not agree that the false prophet will be the Pope, whoever the Pope is at that time.

Balaam, where do you suppose the lost tribes went? They were to be as numerous as the stars.

I agree with Kimberly, satan has a way of taking something true and turning it into something God did not intend such as racism. What satan has done, is to take God's truth and twist it with so many lies that it has made God's word to become of none effect such as with man's traditions: 
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Balaam, If you may, you never explained those above verses from Revelation.

ezekiel_37

08-31-2006, 06:45 AM

Is the pope a prophet or does he claim to be?

answer...no.

in His service
c

ps. Christian Identity and BI have differences worth noting. We follow the bible, not BI nor Christian Identity.

godchild

08-31-2006, 02:00 PM

balaam, You're doing fine. As for me, I wiped the dust from this group. It is like trying to domesticate a pack of wild dogs. That 'gang mentality' has been drummed into them, as their survival is dependant on it. Their pastor tells them to 'kick butt', 'stomp em', and words they enjoy, thinking this wordage brings excitement to an otherwise mundane profession of "loving" faith. They are his obedient goats.

Please note: when Christians left their arena, they had nothing to say that would show the glory of God in their fruits, but lots of continuing insults against people who were no longer listening to their diatribe. They are bored, and empty. Look at smryna, who is 'off the boat'. Is his time spent with friends and family, or in worship? No. Every day he has nothing better to do than come here with his childish attacks on an unseen force. They want no Christians here, but become confused and lonely when they are left alone. I say, leave them to their own small world. It is the best we can do for them.

angie0401

08-31-2006, 03:53 PM

There Vivian goes making us all feel "warm and fuzzy" again. LOL

Did you come back just long enough to give balaam an "Atta boy!" for attacking the Catholic Church? Shame, shame - attacking other Christians again!

watchman_2

09-01-2006, 09:08 AM

I have to laugh at this writing by godchild,

Every day he [smyrna] has nothing better to do than come here with his childish attacks on an unseen force.

Gee, I wonder what godchild has been doing with her 3865 + posts the past year or so.

terluvire

09-01-2006, 01:35 PM

Watchman,

Your post made me laugh...lolol

Thank you! LOL

Yes Angie, she runs in real quick to dump on other denominations..lol

balaam

09-04-2006, 07:11 PM

Is the pope a prophet or does he claim to be?

answer...no.

in His service
c
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Is a prophet always defined as someone who tells the future? NO.

prophet-- a spokesman, as of some cause or doctrine.

Who else will be able to unite the world in a one world religion? I would choose the Pope right off-- no one else has that kind of power and absolute, dictatorial control over millions of misled people right now.

ps. Christian Identity and BI have differences worth noting. We follow the bible, not BI nor Christian Identity.

Ok, point takenhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif... I like the Companion Bible myself -- it's an incredible resource of information.

balaam

09-04-2006, 07:17 PM

terluvire,

Balaam, If you may, you never explained those above verses from Revelation.

I think we all have our own positions on Revelation (and the entire Bible, for that matter), so me thinks I shall pass.

plow_deep

09-05-2006, 05:47 AM

What Can We Agree On?

When your donkey starts talking to you, your gonna have a bad day.

arron

09-05-2006, 01:04 PM

i dont think there is anything that a true christian can agree with the ones on this thread

kimberlyfredrick

09-05-2006, 02:20 PM

Mark 13:13, " And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved." This is the verse which I fondly remember when those who chose to persucute me for my beliefs try to darken my door.

kimberlyfredrick

09-05-2006, 02:21 PM

ezekiel_37

09-05-2006, 11:10 PM

Arron, I know that you believe in God and Christ and the Holy Spirit as being God.

I think that we all here can agree on that.

in His service
c

arron

09-06-2006, 04:39 PM

yes i beleive in THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST but on how the others believe about it no i do not agree. for some believe all kinds of things about CHRIST.

ezekiel_37

09-06-2006, 08:40 PM

I do not know of any atheists that come to this thread on a regular basis, so I think we all can agree that Christ is God.

in His service
c

smyrna

09-17-2006, 02:04 PM

Watchman, THANKS! for exposing godchild once
again:

Watchman wrote:
I have to laugh at this writing by godchild,

"Every day he [smyrna] has nothing better to do than come here with his childish attacks on an unseen force."

Gee, I wonder what godchild has been doing with her 3865 + posts the past year or so.
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You are great, Watchman! Showing the hypocrisy of the detractors is to show they have little credibility.

By showing they are not credible, we can go forth and share our good news with those who are truly seeking the truth in God's Word.

Those reading will be less confused, once their collective voice (detractors) has been stilled,stilled by their own words.

How many times can we show they put their feet firmly in their mouths?

Godchild: Willing to twist, misrepresent, engage in anti-categoria (blaming others for things they do themselves,with no evidence)and even outright lie, in her zealous attacks on the Shephrd's Chapel.

Arron: Childish fundamentalist, who willingly clings to puerile Sunday school myths, who has absolutely no intention of learning anything beyond what he thinks he already knows.

2pillars: Simply crazy.

llm: He has raised gullibilty to and artform. Will not retract from his declarations, no matter how much evidence is presented to refute his ridiculous arguments. Seems to be permanently stuck in place,like his 'fixed earth'.
Refuses to answer questions that would expose him as the whacko conspiracy theory adherent that he is.

David Munsun: The best of the lot. He has come a long way. He has his moments, as I confess I have. But he is at least civil for the most part.

kimberlyfredrick

09-17-2006, 08:30 PM

You know, I would put 2Pillars in a class all by himself. As soon as he started spouting "Noah was a Spaceman" and Cain had to marry a woman who's ancestors were "water People" he disqualified himself from any credible Religious debate. As far as I'm concerned, 2Pillars is an old "flower child" whose petals fell off along time ago.(I'd still watch the movie!)

smyrna

09-18-2006, 04:23 AM

I think plow_deep hit it one the head when she said:

"What Can We Agree On?

When your donkey starts talking to you, your gonna have a bad day."

It's obvious he (Balaam) is listening to somebody's rectum, because anyone who comes up with the stuff he has can only be described that way.

kimberlyfredrick

09-18-2006, 04:44 PM

Balaam, in response to your post 11 above, I was just wondering if your church encourages it's children to believe in the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus??? Seriously, does your church and yourself find Easter Baskets and sitting on Santa's knee for judgement of a year of being naughty or nice approppiate "Holiday" fare??? Just asking.

smyrna

09-18-2006, 04:56 PM

Great question Kimberly,

The problem is, Balaam is a self declared heckler. He isn't here to discuss anything. By his own admission (recently on another thread)he is just here to agitate, harass, and otherwise disrupt any discussions going on. A fine Christian fellow.

All he admits to wanting to do is call Pastor Murray a neo-nazi. I know it is stupid, the problem is, Balaam doesn't.

I see on this thread he tried to actually carry on a discussion. But he can't get very far with that because he is too quick to label anyone he doesn't agree with as a false teacher. He does so without any evidence, other than that which has been born of tradition.

david_munson

09-18-2006, 05:49 PM

To every one,

I see an enemy,,,
but it isn't you.
Signed,
JESUS.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Today is the exceptable day,,,,,

}

smyrna

09-18-2006, 06:01 PM

Hello Mr. Munsun. Inspiring message. I was wondering where all the "Fab Five" members have been http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Arron apparently has been the only one who was hanging around this last weekend. In any case, our shining stars llm and 2pillars are nowhere to be found.

It's a bit quiet, except for some short, puerile outbursts by this guy who calls himself Balaam. I think he messed up, he really should have called himself the a**

kimberlyfredrick

09-18-2006, 06:31 PM

The donkey spoke with more sense....HEE HAW

balaam

09-18-2006, 07:18 PM

**************WARNING***************

Shepherd's Chapel (aka Dachau Chapel) teaches false doctrine contrary to the Word of God!

These people are dangerous and lethal to your eternal soul-- and no, you or no else will be blotted out.

DC is attempting to destroy many with false tecachings and nonsense that only the most biblically ignorant would ever dare embrace.

These people are a cult and want those within their reach to submit to their arrogant manner and want to inflict suffering upon you.

Stay away from this hellish cult!!

The jaws of hell are open in Gravette-- and are hungry for fools who go within SC's doors!

****************WARNING! ****************

arron

09-18-2006, 07:25 PM

yes i am still here and will be i will post when i feel like it. be good if you can

terluvire

09-18-2006, 08:08 PM

Balaam,

Your false rapture teaching which you believe in, that will lead people straight to satan when he appears. That is satan's doctorine! So what does that say about you????

smyrna

09-18-2006, 10:30 PM

Never mind Terluvire. This guy Balaam is too far gone to try and reason with.

It's one thing to disgree with what the SC teaches. But it is entirely another to rant and rave. Let him make a total clown of himself.

Of all the accusations against the Chapel, the most easily disproved are the charges of racism and anti-semtism.

Imagine, twenty or more years of an alleged racist and anti-semite on television, and not once does anyone from the mainstream media investigate the Chapel or the Murrays. Twenty years, and no one from the NAACP or the Jewish Defense League have knocked on the Chapel doors.

That means nothing to jerks like Balaam. He thinks whacko websites and people like godchild are equal to CBS and Katie Couric.

arron

09-18-2006, 10:51 PM

hey balaam.. keep going on for JESUS

kimberlyfredrick

09-19-2006, 01:08 AM

Honestly Balaam, Terluvire is right on. That Rapture Doctrine is very disturbing. It is gaining ground in mainstream Christianity faster than wildfire. And is much more dangerous. It paired with the "Once Saved Always Saved", "The Prosperity Doctrine", "Wishcraft" etc. are taking over the minds and hearts of good Christians worldwide. These doctrines go against the message Jesus preached. SC does not teach any doctrines which I find harmful to the Gospel. As a matter of fact, many of the SC Doctrines will force you to get your Bibles out and try to prove them wrong. Any Doctrine that can get anyone to study the Bible on their own and make conclusions from their own hearts is a great Doctine in my book. If you don't understand it, put it on a shelf and not worry about it for now. The Bible is a book for lifetime study read daily. If it was to be fully understood in one reading, I along with most people would have mastered it decades ago. I learn something new everytime I read the Word. Is'nt God awesome!!!

kimberlyfredrick

09-19-2006, 01:32 AM

Oh yeah, and that "Sew a Seed Doctrine", or is that part of the "Prosperity Doctrine"? The one were if you "plant a seed in the minister's Church (give him all your money) God will bless you with a harvest of riches. Those televangelists like to have older Ladies claim that they "sewed" $1,000 or more into the ministry. Money they claim they only had to pay off the mortgage or Dr. bills and God blessed them with winning the lottery or some nonsense. And don't forget the ever popular "miricle cloths and Holy water"! But Ohhhh NO!!! Pastor Murray is the bad guy teaching doctrines of Satan!!!!! PUH-LEEZ

smyrna

09-19-2006, 02:14 AM

Good post Kimberly.
Hey, I'm sure you noticed Arron cheering on Balaam.
I wonder how Arron would look wearing a little cheerleader's uniform?
Arron, Jesus does not call fools. So I wouldn't be cheering him on to be more foolish than he has been so far.
He is ridiculous, and you are ridiculous. You think slandering people is what Jesus wants from you?

You must, if you are cheering on Balaam's stupid accusations, false ones that are so easily proven wrong, he must be a real moron for bringing that stuff in here.

balaam

09-19-2006, 02:49 AM

hey balaam.. keep going on for JESUS

Thanks, arron.... I think there is a point of no return with SC followers, so this may all be for nothing.

Besides, I hear that the Christian Identity folks are waiting for Darth Murray to perish so that they can move in and scatter the sheep-- kind of "Satan conquering his own territory"; so DC may implode on it's own before I get the time and money to rail against it constantly and free the prisoners there--- they can't work all of 'em to death before we liberate them!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

kimberlyfredrick

09-19-2006, 03:25 AM

Balaam, you sure like dodging questions. Your silence on these matters speaks volumes for your character.

smyrna

09-19-2006, 03:28 AM

Balaam wrote: "I think there is a point of no return with SC followers, so this may all be for nothing."

First of all, we follow Christ, not the SC. We study with the SC. Secondly, you are correct, we have reachd the point of no return. We will not return to a talking snake and a magic apple tree. We will not return to Sunday School to learn about the Bible.

We won't return to a complacency where we will allow clowns such as yourself to just run all over God's creation calling us heretics, racists, or anti-semites without answering to those allegations.

And, if your ambition in life is to make enough money to perpretuate your fraudulent accusations against the Chapel and its supporters, you will not have a very bright future ahead of you.

Finally, linking the SC with some Christian Identity groups is just another indication that you are relying not on your own thinking or homework, but on ridiculous websites run by proven cowards, slanderers, and just plain sickos.

Can't you think for yourself Balaam? It's obvious you are letting others do the thinking for you.

Are you that lazy? And are you really that foolish as to use only silly websites, that mostly are cut and paste jobs of one or two sites on the entire web, for your research?

You better worry about liberating yourself from the group of cowards who hide behind their websites, and launch sneering attacks filled with hate, lies, misrepresentations, and other sneaky trickery in their fight to fill their offering plates and donation boxes, than liberating anyone else.

smyrna

09-19-2006, 04:09 AM

Balaam wrote(post #18 above):

"...so SC may implode on it's own ***before I get the time and money to rail against it constantly and free the prisoners there***

Ok Balaam, now that you have made your career choice, why don't you get a proper education:

http://thedagger.com/thedagger/dag_zine/dag6/clowns.html

Then you can work with Steve:

http://www.clown-ministry.com/History/Smith-Steve-tatters.html

Don't worry about the money. I think the Shepherd's Chapel would even pay for you to go to school there!

Don't worry about the SC "imploding", Balaam. As soon as Father calls Pastor Arnold Murray home, his sons Pastors Dennis and David are fully trained and ready to assume the helm. Sorry to give you the bad news-not!

arron

09-19-2006, 04:24 PM

hey syrmna i dont wear dresses or womens clothes i am a man(of course you may wear them for i havent yet decicded what you are besides a false wittness. and i am not a fool and i try not to ever be foolish like you and others on this thread
. besides none of you have proved anything to me BY THE BIBLE you just say it doesnt mean that that you have to undestand what the different words mean, i have more sense than that when the bible say plainly that there were 8 people on the ark for example i know that ONLY 8 were there.

smyrna

09-19-2006, 04:58 PM

I'm not going to waste my time on you Arron. All anyone has to see here is you cheering on Balaam. That guy can't even read correctly, and he accuses the Shepherd's Chapel of things even the Fab Five (except you) don't believe about the Chapel.

I think that you and Balaam conveniently ignore evidence to prove you are wrong.

Answer this question, Arron and Balaam:

If the Chapel is racist, why aren't any black people or Asian people, or any non-white group protesting the Chapel?

Twenty years and more has the SC been on TV, but never one protested, from Jessee Jackson, NAACP or any black organization. Why?

If you can't answer that, then it proves you don't know what you are talking about, it proves you have been bearing false witness.

In fact, Arron and Balaam, why don't you call on the NAACP, and tell them about Pastor Murray, and tell us when they will be investigating the Chapel, based upon your accusations.

Here is the address to their complaint page, so you can tell them all about Pastor Murray and the SC:

http://www.naacp.org/legal/complaint/form/

I really think Arron should write to them, because he is such a good writer.

Balaam could write to the Jewish Defense League, since he thinks Pastor Murray hates Jews and teaches hatred against Jews. Here is their email address Balaam:

jdl@jdl.org

Now both of you need to write these folks and get an investigation going.

But if (more likely when)the NAACP of JDL don't listen to you and answer you, then you both should apologize to the SC and also repent for bearing false witness.

arron

09-19-2006, 06:25 PM

i talk about the questions that are never answered with the bible not mans opinion

smyrna

09-19-2006, 06:38 PM

So what Arron? You also cheer on people, like Balaam, that make accusations they are not willing or able to prove.

Now you either contact the organizations mentioned, or stop being an accomplice to those who are bearing false witness, and who cannot prove their false accusations.

You also cannot prove that we do not answer questions. Give me one question that has not been answereed. Don't come back with that lie of yours, that the SC program does not answer questions.

You have been told over and over that the SC program contains about twenty minutes of answering questions every day, except during sermons.

So how about it Arron? Give me one question that you say has not been answered. Point us to the post where you asked it, and was not answered.

By the way, your Rapture belief does not come from the Bible, it comes from man's opinion.

So don't lie and say you only listen to the Bible, you believe in plenty of man's opinions. One of them is Balaam's opinion that SC is racist. The Bible doesn't say the SC is racist. Balaam does. And you cheered him on. So you are lying.

arron

09-19-2006, 10:58 PM

have you contacted the organizations you mentioned?
s.c. does not answer the questions with the bible.
i will be caught up to meet my LORD in the air for the bible says so

kimberlyfredrick

09-19-2006, 11:38 PM

Yes it does Arron. However, you seem to have your "dates" wrong. Your "Rapture" occures at the 7th Trump, when Jesus returns, and not before. The bible is very clear on this. Jesus does not have a second and a third coming. Don't you want to be here to serve God when things get really bad???

arron

09-20-2006, 01:11 AM

syyrna... did you or have you contacted thge organizations you mentioned>

arron

09-20-2006, 01:14 AM

no i will be caught away for the bibles says HE will keep us from not in or through the hour that shall try men

kimberlyfredrick

09-20-2006, 01:24 AM

my above post is suspose tp say that Jesus only has a second coming, not a third. LOL(thought I'd clear that up before someone takes me seriously)

smyrna

09-20-2006, 04:36 AM

Arron's posts, where he asks if I have contacted the NAACP or the JDL, pretty much proves that Arron is really not very intelligent at all.

Why would I need to contact them,Arron? I am not accusing the Shepherd's Chapel of racism or anti-semitism. You are either truly stupid, or are playing stupid.

You are accusing us, because you cheer on Balaam when he insinuates the Chapel is racist.So either you email them and make your accusations formal, or just stay here and play stupid, silly games with us.

Can you understand this? If you cannot, then you are just plain stupid, pure and simple.
You are a complete waste of time.

You say we as Chapel students have a right to believe the things we do, but you have intruded on our beliefs.

You are here calling us false teachers. You need to go back your Pentecostal Church,and stop harassing those you disagree with.

Now if you are too stupid to understand that, then I will stay right here, and poke fun at every single one of your poorly written, ignorant posts.

arron

09-20-2006, 02:52 PM

why would you need to contact them.. because you asked the question of me and if so you shaould do it too.

terluvire

09-20-2006, 03:08 PM

Arron, We don't need to contact them for we have no complaint against Pastor Murray, but you guys seem to. So you should contact them.

arron

09-20-2006, 05:32 PM

yes you do to prive what you said.

terluvire

09-20-2006, 05:35 PM

What??? LOL

It's like saying I should call the police even though I don't have a complaint...lol

arron

09-20-2006, 05:55 PM

then quit asking me to coplain to them when i have no complaint

smyrna

09-20-2006, 06:17 PM

Well Arron, if that is true, then are you prepared to say that you do not agree with Balaam, that the SC is racist? Will you also admit that the SC is not anti-semitic?

balaam

09-20-2006, 08:08 PM

Found the lyrics to smyrna's favorite song!

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Waiting to cut out the deadwood.
Waiting to clean up the city.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to put on a black shirt.
Waiting to weed out the weaklings.
Waiting to smash in their windows
And kick in their doors.
Waiting for the final solution
To strengthen the strain.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to turn on the showers
And fire the ovens.
Waiting for the queers and the coons
and the reds and the jews.
Waiting to follow the worms.
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Did you smite the kenite today?

smyrna

09-20-2006, 08:14 PM

More and more ridiculous heckling from Balaam. I guess he can't prove his stupid charges about Pastor Murray being a racist or anti-semitic. I even supplied the cotnact numbers for the NAACP and JDL.

Worthless, ignorant, and probably mentally unstable. If I could guess, this guy is barely into his twenties, or maybe even still in some seminary fraternity house. When he's offline, he probably is writing anti-chapel grafitti on the restroom doors.

And yes, I smite the Kenite everyday.

angie0401

09-20-2006, 08:17 PM

Found the lyrics to balaam's favorite song:
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They're coming to take me away, ha ha, they're coming to take me away.
To the funny farm

With trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and twiddle their toes and thumbs.
They're coming to take me away, ha ha, they're coming to take me away. Ha Ha Ho Ho Hee Hee. They're coming to take me away
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

terluvire

09-20-2006, 08:17 PM

Balaam said "Did you smite the Kenite today?

Apparently Balaam has not read:

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

terluvire

09-20-2006, 08:22 PM

Balaam, in case you don't know what a tare is, here is Jesus' explaination:

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Know in that verse he is not speaking in a parable but is speaking plainly to the disciples.

smyrna

09-20-2006, 08:26 PM

Good one angie!

Terluvire: that is an appropriate Scripture. I do agree, but I smite the Kenite spiritually. How? By discerning the spirits, to see if they are of God.

Have you noticed that Balaam has done nothing but heckle since he came on here. Pretty worthless. Sneaky too. He can't back up his allusions to his charges that Pastor Murray is racist and anti-semitic.

He's a coward, who won't face anyone who may be able to prove him wrong. He just authors stupid posts. And you just have to love it.

I really wish he would have complained to the NAACP or JDL. I actually would have asked them if they could send me a copy of what he wrote them. Wouldn't it be hilarious to read something like that?

david_munson

09-20-2006, 08:29 PM

You know something?
Jesus still weeps
because His heart is broken.

Luke 18:8b Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others.

Let none of us have this mindset.We're all desperately wicked.If not for God's grace we'd all be condemned.

Be well,
Dave

}

terluvire

09-20-2006, 08:32 PM

Hi Smyrna, you must have posted while I was making my posts..lol I just read yours.

I know that you mean smiting a Kenite spiriutally. Let's see if Balaam understands that.

I agree, Balaam is just a heckler. If he was a serious debater, he would debate or back up what he sees as false teaching with scripture, but does he??? No, he resorts to name calling and such. Very childish behavior.

Angie, I use to love that song when I was a kid! LOL

smyrna

09-20-2006, 08:47 PM

Last night I saw a program that dealt with police profiling. The cops went to a seminar, and a woman was teaching them remote viewing.
She said people should learn to trust their impressions. She mentioned that most people have had experiences where they found themselves knowing things they had no recollection of how they came to know something.
So I sat back just now trying to figure out what Balaam ust be like in person. I saw some skinny, bespeckled guy with restless leg syndrome, writing feverishly on his computer,laughing and drinking energy drinks.
I'll never know if I was close, but it sure was a funny "vision."

angie0401

09-20-2006, 08:55 PM

terluvire,
I loved it too - I thought it was hilarious and I know I probably shouldn't have posted it, but I just get a kick out of that song.

David,
I don't know if I was one of the people you were addressing in your post #3076, but I felt led to address it.
I personally don't despise anyone and I don't think myself righteous. I fall down often and often fail miserably, but I pick myself back up and keep on. I also don't like some people that are so mean and hateful and strive to cause trouble. I've told them directly that we will never be friends this side of Heaven, at least as long as they continue to act this way. However, if they are truly Christians, I'll greet them with open arms in our Father's House.

Angie

david_munson

09-20-2006, 09:05 PM

Angie,
I was one of the subjects that I was addressing in that post as well as everyone else.
It wasn't directed at any one individual.
Just something for the body universal.

Dave

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david_munson

09-20-2006, 09:05 PM

terluvire

09-20-2006, 09:43 PM

Angie,
You said:
I personally don't despise anyone and I don't think myself righteous. I fall down often and often fail miserably, but I pick myself back up and keep on. I also don't like some people that are so mean and hateful and strive to cause trouble. I've told them directly that we will never be friends this side of Heaven, at least as long as they continue to act this way. However, if they are truly Christians, I'll greet them with open arms in our Father's House.

Very well said Angie!

In my personal life, I know many people who's belief differ than mine and that is fine. I don't mind disagreement. But when people puposely falsely accuse, slander, and make stuff up, that is a different story. None of us should have to tolerate that, not even the detractors if it was done to them.

arron

09-20-2006, 09:46 PM

symrna... i dont know if they are or are not but i dont agree with their doctrines period.

plow_deep

09-20-2006, 10:11 PM

Wow,

It has grown quite strange in here since I last passed thru.

This below stuck out in all the mud:

"I think plow_deep hit it one the head when she said:"

"She" is incorrect. "He" is right on target.

Hey Terluvire,

Thanks for your comments in the other thread.

The Bible is very clear about the lineage of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So it was fun to jump right in with documentation.

Its sad to see the Atheists and those of Judaism join ranks and tag-team the Christians.
I notice it on more and more threads as time passes.

Thanks again.

Time to go and check the latest response.

Dave,

My...If you arent the voice of moderation and reason in your last couple of posts.

Good Job!

"Feeding fire with fire can create an uncontrollable blaze, that can burn all in the long run."

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

"Gods Word is a double edged sword, it cuts both ways" (Sometimes I notice I inadvertently cut myself left and right)

"Two wrongs dont make a right"

"Dont let them drag you down to their level"

I'm not judging or taking sides. Just slinging out my 2 cents worth and beating a hasty exit before I get stuck in the middle of the target range.

"And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner."

Peace

angie0401

09-20-2006, 11:24 PM

QUOTE:
arron
symrna... i dont know if they are or are not but i dont agree with their doctrines period.

You don't agree with ANY of the SC doctrine/beliefs? None at all?

plow_deep

09-21-2006, 12:45 AM

Good use of scripture ladies.

These threads are quite active. Quite a bit of reading to catch up.

Now that Ive caught myself up and got over the initial shock upon entering and did a closer exam of the posts, I see y'all are under a sad cartoonish attack.

Anybody remember Heckle and Jeckle Cartoons?

These 2 guys offer nothing but insults and no doctrine to debate.

Its kinda sad really.

My last post was "body universal" (interesting term) as Dave said.

I dont know how Balaam can look himself in the mirror with the low-brow judgemental empty threats and insults he offers.

The Nazi references are so lame and He has posted on these threads long enough to know it.

I can understand the tone in these threads after reading his posts.

What a moral coward.

The name he uses really fits him.

terluvire

09-21-2006, 01:27 AM

Hi Plow Deep,

You nailed it pretty good when you said "I see y'all are under a sad cartoonish attack." Cartoonish attack...good one...lol That is what it amounts to.

Plow, you should read the thread titled "insane lies that Pastor Murray teaches, then go to subthread titled "Quotes from Arnold Murray (you won't believe this)"

In that thread is an inside look at how the some of the detractors operate.

Here was Smyrna's post #586:

Dachau was a Nazi prison camp. This is what makes Balaam a real clown.

No one other than the whackos on the Internet believe that Murray and those who are students believe he is racist or anti-semitic.

It just shows they don't know what they are talking about, and it definitely shows they have never watched much of the Chapel broadcasts.

How many times have we either seen on SC TV or have been to the Passover and Fall Fellowship meetings held by the Chapel, where we see people from all races?

Maybe it's the detractors that are letting their prejaudices show. They must think the non-white members of the Chapel are too stupid to realize that Pastor Murray is a racist.

Even most of the Fab Five don't believe that of the Chapel.

Personally, I hope Balaam keeps up his ridiculous assertions, and keeps parroting those assinine anti-chapel websites.

That way, he won't have any credibilty, even among most of the Chapel detractors.
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Balaam's post #19
Post 586, Smyrna wrote:

Maybe it's the detractors that are letting their prejaudices show. They must think the non-white members of the Chapel are too stupid to realize that Pastor Murray is a racist.

HEY! You just admitted Darth Murray is a racist!! Holy smoke! We are finally getting somewhere with the truth!

He just admitted it!! LOL!!
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My post #501
Wow, it is amazing to look into the minds of the detractors and see how it works! Balaam is a perfect example. I mean, it's right out there for all to see!!!

Smyrna, make sure you keep those posts. Boy they speak volumes!!! All you have to do is repost them elsewhere. Most can see how balaam has twisted it. A 5yr. old could see it!!

Balaam, I am thankful that you have given us an inside veiw into how the detractors operate. The mind is an amazing thing, some peoples percerption is really distorted!!!

Skooter, Thanks again for your posts. They are always well thought out; and in almost all of them ,you allow God's word to correct or lift up.
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This is what we are dealing with when it comes to Balaam. Unbelievable! Debating scripture is fine but what Balaam brings to the table is complete absurdity.

You're right, the name Balaam fits him to a "T".

Oh, by the way I read your other post on the other thread. You did real well!! You are right when you said: "Its sad to see the Atheists and those of Judaism join ranks and tag-team the Christians."

It really is sad.

david_munson

09-21-2006, 03:57 PM

Balaam,
do you know where the body of Christ is?
Do you know who the body of Christ is?

I am not an SC student.
Make no assumptions.

Do you know?

Dave

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arron

09-21-2006, 04:07 PM

so far i havent found any of their doctrines such as serpent seed, no rapture, more tan 8 people on board the ark, and 8th day creation.. no i dont agree. they may bellieve in GOD but they dont believen in the trinity so i dont agree with them there either and they dont believe in a literal burning hell that exsist right now and will continue to exsist , no i dont agree witht them there either

david_munson

09-21-2006, 04:16 PM

Arron,
I know that you also do not believe that Noah was a space traveler from another planet either.
Know what I mean?

Dave

}

angie0401

09-21-2006, 05:54 PM

arron,
Yes, we do believe in the Trinity. You are listening to other's peoples accusations again.
How about these "doctrines" ezekiel posted, arron, do you believe them?

Quote:
Jesus Christ is Messiah
There is only one God
To know the Son is to know the Father
Jesus is the Living Word
In the beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Christ died for our sins

arron

09-22-2006, 03:16 AM

angie do you believe that THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE TREE PERSONS YET ONE GOD. or do you beleive that they are the manifestations and are the same one YOU KNOW LIKE JESUS IS THE FATHER AND JESUS IS THE HOLY GHOST AND JESUS IS THE SON (this i do not believe)

terluvire

09-22-2006, 03:43 AM

Arron,

No one can completely explain the Godhead. That would be presumptuous of anyone to think they can explain the Godhead fully.

I wouldn't try to fit God into some kind of box. Would you?

I think it is enough that we believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Don't you?

angie0401

09-22-2006, 05:39 AM

arron,
I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. How they relate to each other and exactly HOW that is accomplished, I haven't a clue.

You know, on the one hand, you have verse like "Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father." - which implies they ARE separate.
Then on the other hand, you have others like "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God." and "If you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father" - which makes you think they are NOT separate.

I posed this same question to my pastor last Wednesday night - how does one understand the Trinity? - and he said that it is something that we won't know this side of eternity. He said that people have tried to put God in a neat little package and make Him understandable in our terms and you just can't. He told me that believing in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is the best any of us can do.

arron

09-22-2006, 02:37 PM

angie.. there are other verses that let us know that there is ANOTHER because JESUS prayed to HIS FATHER IN THE GARDEN, HE TALKED WITH HIM, AT THE THE BAPTISIUM THE FATHER WAS HEARD SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN WHILE THE HOLY GHOST WAS COMING DOWN ON JESUS IN THE WATER .. COUNT ONE TWO THREE

(Message edited by arron on September 22, 2006)

david_munson

09-22-2006, 05:27 PM

Now here's a topic that can pop your head trying to contemplate.
Us finite humans trying to understand the infinate.
The Godhead.
I'm done,LOL.
Hey, a little humor.

Angie says that we wont know this side of eternity.
Can't deny that.It's like trying to understand not having a point of origin but always having existed.
We can't relate to that.We can have faith in it but it's beyond our comprehention.

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kimberlyfredrick

09-22-2006, 06:50 PM

I have been in forums were people fight viciously over this topic. I am so pleased to see everyone here agreeing that defining the Trinity is beyond our mortal capabilities. This is refreshing. What a blessing you all are!

bgmark2

04-16-2007, 11:14 AM

It looks like the antichrist has been and gone, probrably killed off by the beast of revelations who set up the abomination of desolation (http://jesus-survival.com/Abomination-desolation.htm).

watchman_2

04-16-2007, 01:29 PM

bgmark,

I doubt that you will find SCer agreement with your theory.

arron

04-16-2007, 01:41 PM

i can agree with any one that believes that JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD IS THE ONE AND OLY WAY TO SALVATION AND THAT IS THROUGH HIS BLOOD BY FAITH. i may not agree with their other "doctrines" but if the be lieve that JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN YES i can agree

sharon

04-16-2007, 09:27 PM

I believe that Arron.

factor_fiction

06-22-2007, 08:16 PM

OK, let's concede that there IS a "rapture," which is a misleading word; should be "Gathering [Back to Christ & God]" in Spirit body ["God's Breath of Life"], in a group ["clouds"]...but it is DEFINITELY POST-TRIB...the Holy Word leaves NO doubt as to when [Scripture passage below]...

All serious Bible students should read VERY CAREFULLY, paying STRICT attention to the following, ESPECIALLY verses 1-4 [whole chapter, really], which explains it thoroughly so EVEN A CHILD can understand:

2 Thessalonians 2 (King James Version)

"1Now we beseech you, brethren, [[[by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.]]] [ANTI-Christ]

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

To put this into proper perspective as to what this addresses [altho it's pretty straightforward & obvious], read 2 Thess. 1 prior...

Anti-c comes at the 6th vial/seal/trump [hence, "666"]; the True Christ comes at the 7th in chronological order, which is sound Biblical Doctrine & cannot be interpreted by man ANY OTHER WAY.
Pre-Trib is FALSE DOCTRINE OF DEVILS. PERIOD, END OF STORY.

Besides, like "evolution," it too is labeled [& appropraitely so] a "THEORY," which most people mistakingly believe is called a "Fact."

watchman raises very pertinent ?'s as to loopholes in the ET...altho some points of it seem valid, there are many problemns with this THEORY, which is passed off as fact...lending truth to the statement, "tell a lie often enough [or, teach it in schools, like another religion; another insidious agenda] & people will start believing it as a truth..."

Peace.