Shepherdbs Chapel and Mormonism a comparison

[godchild]

There are many comparisons that can be made between sc doctrine and the doctrines of the mormon church. The following was taken from a mormon book "A Pearl of Great Price" a mormon book called gospel; This from the Book of Abraham:Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth.
From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and thus the blood of the Canaanites was preserved in the land.
The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden.
When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham. sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.
Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham....
Pharaoh, being a righteous man,... seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by the fathers ... even in the reign of Adam, and also of Noah, his father, who blessed him with the blessings of the earth, and with the blessings of wisdom, but cursed him as pertaining to the priesthood.
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Note the glaring similarity of shepherd's chapel "Cain the serpent-seed" and the above.
(This comparative analysis is here for the uninformed, and not as another page for sc'ers or mormons to attack those who work to expose them and other cults, which is factnet's purpose.)

[godchild]

The mormon church has gone to great lengths to hide <u>joe smith (mormon prophet</u>s history). With the new age of technology, it is made more difficult with each passing year. To this day, when you look at the most recent LDS exhibits and descriptions of joe smith, you will see a picture of a wonderful, hard-working, honest and highly spiritual young man: See the following:

from the Canango Union 30, Norwich, NY, 3 May 1877
Joseph Smith charged for 'a disorderly person' and for activities as a glass-looker.' Eyewitness and court notetaker William D. Purple stated Smith was arrested as a "vagrant, without visible means of livlihood".
Joel K. Nobel states Joseph Smith was arrested 'under the vagrant act', without visible means of livlihood, and was ultimately discharged.

New York statues at that time, under description of 'disorderly person' - "All jugglers (deceivers),and all persons pretending to have skill in phiosognomy, palmistry, or like crafty science (in Joe Smith's case, money digging) or pretending to tell fortunes, or to dioscover where lost goods may be found, shall be deemed and adjudged disorderly persons.
COMPARITIVELY: Many persons have tried to find Arnold Murray's past history. He has said he had credentials from a college of divinity, which was found not to be true. Members on factnet have no history of him to share (or refuse to) on factnet. Now he says his ordination came from God. The only history he gives is that he was in the Marines. Why is this hidden? Ordinarily, it is nobody's business, but this man speaks to millions of people, writes articles, preaches in the name of God. Should such a person be accountable to others? Read the New Testament about teachers and preachers.

[godchild]

Joseph Smith and Arnold Murray claimed to have 'dreams and/or visions' of future prophesy: joe smith that the world would end in the 1800's and am in the 1900's.

They both taught/teach that there are dispensations, in other words, God can change according to the new revelations given to men.

They do not believe in the Trinity.

They teach that men lived with God as spirit children or 'little gods' before the creation.

They teach that 'white men/british israelism' are the TRUE Jews; that 'white men' are the true 'chosen of God', and not the Jews, who think they are Jews, but are not.

[godchild]

They both take away from/add to scripture. mormon: book of mormon, pearl of great price, doctrine and covenants, a marvelous work and a wonder, word of wisdom, etc.
am: companion bible by british israelism believer E.W. Bullinger, book of adam, book and prophecies of Enoch, books by Capt (writer of astology, zodiak, ect), books on Druids, etc.
They both claim the Bible is only gospel as far as it is translated, meaning by their translation.

Both teach the "New Temple" will be built in: js; America...am; Great Britian.

(Message edited by godchild on March 12, 2006)

[watchman_2]

All this time and she hasn't figured out the teachings yet. How stupid can one woman be??

Or, she must be drinking again.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Watchman said,

Quote:

All this time and she hasn't figured out the teachings yet. How stupid can one woman be??

End Quote

Good Afternoon Watchman! I pray you are having a good day.

Yes, after ALL this time, You would think this one would get it, understand what we are saying, but it is not the case. Oh Well, not all eyes are meant to see.

You have a good day Watchman. May the Lord's blessings be upon you.

Agape,
terluvire</font>

[watchman_2]

terluvire,

Thank you! God's blessings to you and your son.

I think the case has been made over and over again that godchild lacks credibility. Her hatred seethes through all of her actions, thereby preventing her from being objective. Without her hatred, she is nothing.

I really feel sorry for her -- she thinks she is being of service with over 3100 posts of nonsense.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">HI Watchman,

Thank you for your kind words! My son says Hi.

What you say is very true. Her actions remind me of Saul (Paul), before his conversion. He thought he was doing right by persecuting the Christians. It wasn't until Christ got ahold of him did he realize what he was doing. Christ asked saul why did he persecute him, meaning Christ. In Saul's zealousness, he THOUGHT he was doing right, but he was actually going against God.


Agape,

terluvire</font>

[godchild]

scer's, Why then don't you tell us am's history, and why you don't think he should be accountable. Why don't you tell us who wrote the Companion Bible and his beliefs? Why don't you tell us about the 'dreams or visions' that am had that did not come to pass? Why don't you discuss any longer the books by Capt and others that you mentioned before being confronted about them. Tell us that you and am do believe in the Trinity. Tell us you do not believe in British Israelism. Tell us you do not believe there were two creations. Tell us you don't believe God and Christ and satan are serpents and trees.
Then you can explain why you think I hate you. I have been in other discussions and the same thing always happens. Instead of answering questions, you attack the messenger who does not agree with you. Shall we make a comparison of those attacks that denote 'so called hatred'? I hate what God hates, which is satan and the evil he causes men to live by and for. Hate isn't a term I even like to use when speaking of any living thing. For me, satan causes no fear. Jesus defeated him at the cross. You must not believe that.

[watchman_2]

He teaches the truth of God's Word -- what other credentials are required.

[ezekiel_37]

The unbalanced poster still does not realize what she is doing

books by Capt (writer of astology, zodiak, ect),

If 'that poster' actually read them or watched his programs, 'that poster' would recant all that 'that poster' has said.

Capt speaks of how astrology originated and how the signs of the zodiac were biblical and told the story of the events in the bible before they were written down. Not paganism but each constilation represented a biblical story.....

'that poster' should really do her homework better.

[godchild]

If you people want to study from these pagans, go ahead. As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord.

[angie0401]

godchild,
Do you celebrate Easter - you know with Easter eggs and chocolate bunnies?
What about Christmas - with a big Christmas tree and a nice yule log?

[godchild]

Why do you ask?

[angie0401]

Just a simple question..

Easter?

Christmas?

[godchild]

Why do you ask?

[godchild]

If you want to discuss the one time Easter was mentioned in the Holy Bible, and my not believing it is about the passover, I don't want to go through all that again. I made my views known. You can check them and ask any question you want.
I'm a little old for easter bunnies though I love those chocolate eggs. Between Dec.1 and Jan. 1 I put out a beautiful nativity scene and play lots of Christmas carols. I don't celebrate St. Patty's day, although when I was a drinker I would go out with something green on. I don't believe in shamrocks either, though I understand why St. Patrick used them to symbolize the trinity. As for a four-leafed one bringing luck, I gave up on that when I was a child. Any other questions? Oh, kids in my neighborhood don't go out on Halloween (for safety's sake), so I don't buy candy for it to give them, though I used to.

[angie0401]

That's all I wanted to know.

[godchild]

Angie, Do you believe the shamrock was used by St. Patrick as a symbol of the Trinity, which, by the way, am does not believe in (the Trinity, I mean)? Do you believe in the Trinity?

[angie0401]

Why do you ask?

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Pm certainly does believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.</font>

[godchild]

Angie, touche. When you said on another discussion board that you don't speak about the "serpent seed" doctrine so popular by all other sc posters, I am curious.

Terlu, the question was not what am believes. I know what he believes as I have read his articles of faith. I am asking if you believe in the Trinity. Do you not understand the question?
If you are saying you believe what am believes, that will answer the question. If not, I would like to know. You do not have to answer, but I believe if one does not have a clear mind about God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, who are One, then there are irreconsilable differences in your foundation of scriptural truths.

[ezekiel_37]

The above poster has misinformed the public once again

Arnold Murray teaches the Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit........everyday.....and that is the TRINITY

The above poster has obviously not read the entire statement of Faith provided by Mr Murray and the Shepherd's Chapel Network

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">If the above poster is unsure of why I posted why I did it was because she said this:

Quote:

by the way, am does not believe in (the Trinity, I mean)? Do you believe in the Trinity?

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I posted:
Pm certainly does believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Then she posts this:

Quote:

Terlu, the question was not what am believes. I know what he believes as I have read his articles of faith. I am asking if you believe in the Trinity. Do you not understand the question?

End Quote

First off, the question was not asked of me, but I will answer. Of course I believe in the Trinity, so does PM. If he didn't, I wouldn't listen to his teachings.

Ezekiel Said:
The above poster has obviously not read the entire statement of Faith provided by Mr Murray and the Shepherd's Chapel Network

I certainly agree Ezekiel. I don't think she ever read it although we have posted the link. She will check out everything else which has no connection to PM or his site, but she won't check him out for herself.

Agape,
terluvire</font>

[angie0401]

And she lies about my posts on the other discussion board. I did NOT say that I don't "speak" of the serpent seed doctrine. As a matter of fact, let's just read my other posts , to clear up any misunderstanding (and I do believe in the Trinity, thanks for asking).

**--beginning of other posts--**

angie:
"My (Baptist) pastor said many people are so distracted by obsessing on one aspect of the Bible (only studying prophecies, for example) or other people's faith that they neglect their own walk with God."

godchild:
"Back to angi, I suggest you take your Baptist Preacher's advice and stop dwelling on "serpent seed" and other hate-filled doctrine. "

angie:
"I don't "dwell on serpent seed doctrine" - show me where I've posted anything about it specifically- I only dwell on the Word of God and growing in my knowledge of and love for Him."

godchild:
"angi, Are you saying you do not believe in the "serpent seed" doctrine that is taught by a teacher you claim to listen to, am?"

angie:
"I'll humor you godchild and argue with you one final time.
I said I don't "dwell" on serpent seed doctrine.

Do you believe all the things the 7th Day Adventist teach?

Oh, and my name is Angie - with an E on the end of it."

godchild:
"Don't humor me. I am not at all humored. I am not here to argue with you, but to state the facts as they are shown to me by the Holy Spirit.

So now you want to discuss the 7th Day Adventist Church. How funny. I mention that I enjoy their pastors and evangelists although I also state they have legalistic beliefs, and you are ready to call me a heretic, right. Go ahead, my dear child..."

**--end of other posts--**

You mean the Holy Spirit reveals stuff to you - does that mean you are a prophet or God's chosen messenger for this age?

By the way - I think the SDA frown on lies, deception and disinformation...

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hmmmmm Maybe that's how she reads the Bible. She gets it all mixed up and can't follow the subject and object, for she does it with our post.



Agape,
terluvire</font>

[danispeachy]

Yea those Mormons did a number on godchild. She expects everybody to believe what she says and will use deceptive tactics to try and push those opinions on others. Sounds like the making of a cult leader to me. Unlike Pastor Murray who says...
"You see, whether you agree with me or not is of little concern to me. It's whether or not, as a servant of God, I can drive you into the Word
whereby God can use you for whatever purpose He might have chosen. Then my work is done. I have never insisted that someone believe exactly
as I do because God didn't take a cookie cutter and make us all just alike and say, "You all have the same duty."

Pastor Arnold Murray, #116 Daniel, tape 2, end of side "B"

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">HI Danis,

I saved your post for future referrence if you don't mind.

That's all PM wants, is to drive people into the word for themselves whether they agree with him or not.</font>

[danispeachy]

No problem Terri! I for one do disagree with some of PM's teachings, but it doesn't matter because unlike any pastor I've ever listened to, PM wants us to read the bible for ourselves and let God take over from there. Let me tell you how wonderful it is to study God's letter to us instead of sitting in a pew like a mindless sheep listening to some preacher bable, then beg for money.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Danis,

You know what, I learned more on my own, because of PM, in one month, than I did in all the years I spent sitting in a church!</font>

[danispeachy]

Me too!!!

Recently I have been going to different churches trying to find one I can fellowship at. All I seem to find are concerts (non denom churches) and boredom (Catholic mass) No teaching of the word of God though... sooooo sad http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">I want to add, It is the Holy Spirit which gives us understanding. PM is a good teacher, but without our Father's help, we would understand nothing. All wisdom comes from God.</font>

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Danis said:
Recently I have been going to different churches trying to find one I can fellowship at. All I seem to find are concerts (non denom churches) and boredom (Catholic mass) No teaching of the word of God though... sooooo sad
End

I use to search also. I gave up. They truly don't teach. It is sad.</font>

[danispeachy]

A couple weeks ago, I said I would take my neice to church, but we had a cold advisory, so I changed my mind. She was disappointed so we had church at home and went over the 1st 2 chap of Gen. I've taken her to church every week since and last week she said. "I like it when you teach better, I learned a lot." Out of the mouth of babes :D

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">I love it Danis!

Pastors really should teach the Bible as if we are at school. People would learn so much more that way.

ps. I sent you a message at the other place.</font>

[danispeachy]

Cool... I replied :D

[godchild]

You are all good at one thing. Covering up the original question (topic) with phoopherah:

scer's, Why then don't you tell us am's history, and why you don't think he should be accountable. Why don't you tell us who wrote the Companion Bible and his beliefs? Why don't you tell us about the 'dreams or visions' that am had that did not come to pass? Why don't you discuss any longer the books by Capt and others that you mentioned before being confronted about them. Tell us that you and am do believe in the Trinity. Tell us you do not believe in British Israelism. Tell us you do not believe there were two creations. Tell us you don't believe God and Christ and satan are serpents and trees.
Then you can explain why you think I hate you. I have been in other discussions and the same thing always happens. Instead of answering questions, you attack the messenger who does not agree with you. Shall we make a comparison of those attacks that denote 'so called hatred'? I hate what God hates, which is satan and the evil he causes men to live by and for. Hate isn't a term I even like to use when speaking of any living thing. For me, satan causes no fear. Jesus defeated him at the cross. You must not believe that.

[angie0401]

What do you think, folks? Do we reply AGAIN to her ravings or just ignore it?
I know we should just jump on over her posts, but the ridiculousness of HER accusing ANYONE of attacking the messenger is just hard to ignore. Maybe everyone will just go read the Mark 13:13 thread if they want to see WHO is doing the attacking.
She has finally admitted that she hates us and now has decided that God hates us as well. I need to say an extra prayer for her tonight at church. I don't have any idea who God does or doesn't hate, but I think she has just made a big mistake...

[danispeachy]

Those questions have been addressed in the past.

You are just cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo.

[sign_of_the_cross]

I take it godchild was a mormon at one time. I noticed that she keeps posting the same exact posts over and over. She is 58 years old, maybe senility has set in early.

[danispeachy]

I have been praying that her family gets her the help she needs. I ask everybody to join in me in that prayer. Mental illness really isn't a laughing matter. She could be a danger to herself and others.

[godchild]

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These people continue to flat out lie and have not the least bit of guilty conscience about it.

Vivian, godchild

p.s. Show evidence that I am guilty of copywrite infringement or that I was slandering anyone. It is you who are guilty of slander, harassment, and defamation of character. I am asking you to desist immediately. You have been put on notice, publicly. I would be very careful how you respond.

[danispeachy]

Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo

Aren't you tired of making a complete and utter fool out of yourself yet?

[angie0401]

Hey godchild,
You might have gotten me banned from cultbusters, but I don't think you'll be able to do that here, so you're just stuck with me. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I did pray for you tonight in church. I thought about you when the pastor said, "God isn't a respecter of persons. Man or woman, Jew or Gentile, sinner and saved. He loves us all." I guess you were mistaken when you said God hates us, huh? I was praying for your peace and that you could find the love and contentment that I have found, resting in the arms of my savior.

[godchild]

Oh yes. I could see an example of your love and contentment on the corporation thread. You got you kicked off, not me. Websites have certain things they expect from people, and the terrible attitude displayed there by you was, I am sure, Admins. reasoning. What, pray tell, makes you think they are a corporation? That was so humorous to see that there. Did you just want to get a copy of your thoughts on paper? So weird! And if you're going to use their name please include .com.au. It is, you know, based in Australia and there is another cultbuster site. They might not like you making statements about them. You should give some thought before actions.

[godchild]

Did you pray in the Baptist Church? You serve two masters.

[danispeachy]

That's Ok Angie, we love you being here at Factnet anyway :D

[angie0401]

Thanks, danis. I like it here, too.
I did pray for godchild in the Baptist Church last night - did you know, danis, that the Baptist Church ALSO believes in the one, true God - the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? It's amazing what you learn if you don't have a closed mind, heh?

[danispeachy]

Yes actually I did know that. Baptists accept Christ as their Lord and personal savior as well.

Did you know that... Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world, red and yellow black and white, they are precious in his sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world.

That's an old song I don't know who wrote it but, Notice it doesn't say Jesus loves them only if they are this denomination or another.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Danis and Angie,

That's ok Angie, I'm glad you are here. You're work will be more prosperous here than at the other place anyway. Plus, I love reading your posts here, I really do!

Danis, I agree, that's a good song. God does love all his children.</font>

[godchild]

I did not say the "Baptist Church is not a Christian Church". I went to a Baptist Church for years and was never taught any of the lies taught by scer's. That's the whole point, isn't it. Don't play dumb. Scer's are here amongst Christians trying to draw them away with satan's lies. You don't hear of them talking about their missionary work in Communist or pagan countries.
They come in, unawares, like wolves in sheep's clothing.

[godchild]

I did not say the "Baptist Church is not a Christian Church". I went to a Baptist Church for years and was never taught any of the lies taught by scer's. That's the whole point, isn't it. Don't play dumb. Scer's are here amongst Christians trying to draw them away with satan's lies. You don't hear of them talking about their missionary work in Communist or pagan countries.
They come in, unawares, like wolves in sheep's clothing.

Isn't it generous of them to welcome you, Angie? This is their work!

[danispeachy]

Heavenly Father we thank you for all of your faithful servants. Those who help and teach others of your glory, those who drive your children into your word so that may understand your expectations, your plan, your love, and your forgiveness. Heavenly Father, please help those teachers, ministers, and priests to continue to do your work so that all may know of your glory and love. I ask in Jesus's name. Amen. Thank You Father!

[godchild]

And where are all those missionaries. On factnet and other discussion boards. That's the best way to reach those who haven't heard the gospel, right! What is done about those who don't have a computer? I mean, do you all send bulk mailings or something? If so, how do you choose who to send them to? Have anyone of you ever gone on a mission to ?, anywhere for am/sc?

[angie0401]

Dani, Terl &amp; abi,
I heard something in church Tuesday night that made me think of you 3 - those who desire to know the Father and that others should, also...
It also reminded of some of the other posters on here - those who only seek to sew discord and spew hate, lies and disinformation.

I bet you can figure out which part applies to which group:
Prov 3:33-35
33 The LORD’s curse is in the house of the wicked, But he blesses the habitation of the righteous.
34 Surely He mocks the mockers, But He gives grace to the humble.
35 The wise will inherit glory, But shame will be the promotion of fools.

[danispeachy]

Lord knows I'm not perfect but we are in love :D

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Good day Angie,

Thank you for those verses. They warmed my heart and brought a sense of peace.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

The mockers most certainly will be shamed when our Lord returns. I do pray their eyes are opened before then.

In the end, All will know the truth!

Agape,

terluvire</font>

[ezekiel_37]

<font color="119911">Scer's are here amongst Christians trying to draw them away with satan's lies. You don't hear of them talking about their missionary work in Communist or pagan countries.
They come in, unawares, like wolves in sheep's clothing.

</font><font color="000000">As I stated before that I do not usually address this author....this makes me laugh....

Anyone that knows the Shepherd's Chapel knows that China has the 3rd largest amount of people (per country) that follow the teachings of the SCN. They are only behind the USA and Canada.

and they are a communist country arent they?
full of Pagans, aren't they?

Made me chuckle....lol</font>

[danispeachy]

Me thinkith she protestith to muchith LOL The Lord knows what I do or do not do and that is all that matters. I could brag, but what would that accomplish?

[godchild]

Three million members for am/sc in the WHOLE world. That makes me chuckle. Google China's population, the U.S.A. population, Canada's population. We're talking about billions of people. So much for am/sc missionary work!

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[godchild]

No physical address at the link provided by an sc member, (according to her).

The 'passover link' is curiously UNAVAILABLE at this time.



The Shepherd's Chapel
PO Box 416
Gravette, AR 72736 USA

Why is it important to these people to keep the physical address a secret?

[danispeachy]

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Why is it important to these people to keep the physical address a secret?
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I'm sorry, who here has ever said they are a part of the Shepherds Chapel organization? None of us are affiliated? We don't make business decisions for the chapel?

So then how is it any of our fault/problem that you can’t find the address godchild?

If you want to know so badly why don't you call them? The number can be found at the website. Ohh yea and I still managed to find the physical address online. Just gotta know where to go.... It's not a secret... I already told you, I'm not helping you with your dirty deeds. You salivate all you want about the mischief you plan to cause but I (and I would assume the others,) have no intention of assisting you in that quest.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi dani!

Quote:
You salivate all you want about the mischief you plan to cause but I (and I would assume the others,) have no intention of assisting you in that quest.
End Quote

That's right! I'm not helping her...lol She manages to find all kinds of garbage, let her dig for something good for a change! LOL</font>

[danispeachy]

Hiya Terri!

Hope all is well and that you had a lovely weekend. I know I did http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif God Bless!

Dani

[danispeachy]

Hiya Terri!

Hope all is well and that you had a lovely weekend. I know I did http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif God Bless!

Dani

[godchild]

You have really reached the bottom of the scumpile, jcp, trentwoodard, eli:

johncody
Intermediate Member
Username: johncody

Post Number: 105
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 5:40 pm:

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Dont listen to godchild,

She is a complete wacko,
she tried to burn down an abortion clinic once and was recently caught and arrested for lude and lascivious acts (masturbating in front of little kids) in a city park restroom

Ignore her please,

godchild posts from a mental hospital

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God bless

PEACE
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What evil level you stoop to in your attacks. You are the worst kind of liar. You sign your posts 'peace' and spread the most horrible lies. Bring your evidence, scum.
Is this why you said to your brothers/sisters last week that you were leaving again? Because you thought your 'hate post' of lies would be found out sooner and you would be kicked off again? God sees your evil soul. He will have nothing to do with you.

You are being advised in the strongest words to desist in these libelous accusations against me.
Vivian (godchild) A retraction and public apology would not be enough to wash this sin from you. God is watching. You grieve the Holy Spirit daily. You walk with the devil and his angels.
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Let the scer's do their worst. How can it get worse than this? You want to call it 'not being able to take'. I call it the lowest form of attack I have ever seen. You can take pride in this, and pride will be your downfall. Smile on that.

[ezekiel_37]

why don't you start a thread for each of your enemies and keep all your BS off of the thread.

You are full of nonsence

[obadiah]

I can see from this thread that EVERY BODY HATES godchild. I don't understand why there is so much hatred from people who call them selves Christians making slanderous comments about other people. FOR SHAME!!! I think you better judge your own selves before you say anything about others.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Wait just a moment there friend!
As one of the original "Fab five" (inside joke) I do not and again I say,"I do not hate Godchild" or any one else here for that matter.

Please, no lump summing.
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Even with the heated conversations that have taken place between Watchman and I ,I still have no ill will towards him.
This is just debate and disagreement.No reason to hate any one for holding differing beliefs.
No matter how hot the debate becomes.
Of course there are going to be some "recklessly chosen words" but that's just human.
(people are still growing)

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Watchman,
you are just as guilty as any one of saying things you shouldn't against others.

Water finds it's own level.

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[david_munson]

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As of late (recent postings) she has been much nicer to people here and I think she deserves at least that much credit.

She has been (from what I have seen) more to the topic than the insults.

That is my observance any way.

Dave
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[sharon]

obadiah.. I do not hate Godchild. I see she is not very popular when you read the whole page all at once. That is quite a little read. But what must be remembered is that the Lord says rejoice when people hate you. So they are really giving her quite a gift. Causing her to smile to herself.
If she is a test many have failed, for anger and name calling is not what our Lord meant when he said love those who hate you. She has won in the sense that many reading this page would feel sorry for the underdog and afraid to join the pack attacking her. Do not forget pack mentality, many fear it, in case the pack turns on them.
GC has actually done more to keep folks from this belief than those here have done to make it a peaceful and joyous stable religion. So do not feel sorry for her as she has achieved her goal. She made folks look. But what they saw was up to those here. Hard not to fall into traps set with words, for they are tied to emotions.
I only say this as I once failed this exact kind of test. I knew it the second the test was over. Now I watch for it, and try not to allow myself another failure of words.
The question is do they love GC? Treat her like a sister? The Lord loves her, he tells us so. Is she hard to love, maybe, does it matter? Should we love only those who are easy to love, or say the things we want them to say?
One could say, but she said this or that to us! Does it matter? You represent your beliefs, and how they will be seen. She does not. Or does she? Well I think she did here.
Do not believe me, go back and look at what you are saying to represent your beliefs.
This is not to condemn you but to warn you, love is not a pick and chose thing. Remember all the laws and all the prophets hang on the loving each other. All the laws. Does any other doctrine over ride this for a Christian, no. Do I always remember this,No. This was said with love, as I took a long time to realize the truth, but then that is what tests are all about.

[arron]

godchild is a good person who stand for the truth . she like myself is hated by those who keep every other kind of doctrine except the doctrine OF THE CHRIST JESUS she doent have anything to worry about as she is of the truth. these othes have proved who and what they are, they refer to bookd that are not of the christian faith and they believe in being led by satan. check them out first.

[david_munson]

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Arron my brother,
I am confused by a statement you have made.

"they believe in being led by satan."

I am not sure but it seems that you may be infering that the SC folks look to Satan for guidance?

I don't see this.
I know we disagree with many of their teachings but I have never seen any of them say they are led by Satan.(though some have said that we are)
I must be misunderstanding what you are trying to state.
Can you clear this up so I can be correct in my understanding of what you're saying?

I really don't know what you mean and don't want to assume something that isn't what you mean.

Thanks and God bless,
Dave
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[arron]

no not the scers in paricular this was ONE on the net that said it not all of them.a and they did say it along with references to a book that is not christian that they follow they talk of father but not JESUS.

[david_munson]

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Thanks Arron,
I was a bit confused at first and wasn't sure what you where saying.
I just wanted to understand.
Thank you again for clearing that up for me,
I really do appreciate it.

God bless you brother,
Dave

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[ezekiel_37]

Sometimes it is not possible to get along...and love your brother/sister.

There are many bad people that claim Christianity.....

we shall know them by their fruits.


It is difficult to LIKE someone that is so opposite to you(me). We can love them for being a child of the Living God, but we don't have to get along with them.....


Sometimes that is not possible. There are many backwards racists and atheists and all around bad people that I (or you) could never get along with.


Loving them for their birthright, but not for their actions....

Love the man/woman, because they come from God, but hate their actions.....

After all, but by God's Grace go you or I.




So as for the godchild poster, she has proven herself an outright lier time after time. She accuses Pastor Murray and all of us here who study with him.


There is very little sincerity in her. I would not hang out with her, nor be her friend, but I do not hate her. I feel very empathetic, and sad for her. She is full of so much hate and rage that she needs to lie about others to express that hate. It is rather vile actually...


godchild has earned each negative report that she gets. There is no delusion on our part....


Her words speak volumes. She outright lies....and that is incredibly dangerous when Our Father's Word is defamed....



So, after the 7th trump, and our Lord Christ is among us here on the planet earth, ALL can learn the truth and act upon it accordingly.

Most of the forms of sin as we know it will be taken away, including many negative aspects that godchild possesses and shares with others.


We are all guilty of many sins (even Arron) and possibly in the Millenium....she will learn the truth and believe!





wow.

[dean]

WOW, that is a trip that you bring up Godchild, if its the same one that IM thinking of, I have studied Christian Cults for a couple of years now and the most dangerous of the Christian Cults that I have found is "Mormonism". Just because they are the most
deceitful out of all of them.
Simple because of there language and meanings of the gospel "there father god, and jesus" is not the same one of the "Holy Gospel", which is flat out blasphemy right there, and also there tacticks on how they fish you in there church, but that being said, I believe that Godchild is a X-mormon and she probably is trying to work her way out of the Cult.....after all, being in a cult like that Mormonism is a huge step and can take years sometimes to over come a burden like that "I am not defending her, I dont' even know her but I have chatted with her regarding her post in the Mormonism postings under X-Mormons I believe....I could be wrong, I just thought I'd throw that out there incase you didn't know......anyway, I don't know what she has posted with you guys on here but IM sure it was interesting.
Anyway:

I have a question about Arnold Murray, I have herd his teaching on TV and I have to say I like how he lays it on the line although there are some things I dont agree with and other teachings he has taught that IM just not sure about and one is I believe that he does not believe in the so called "Rapture" or what ever you want to call it.
this is something that IM still studying and trying to figure out and from what I have herd him say is that " he does not believe in the Rapture" which if fine but my question is, How does he interpet the Scripture that talks about "being caught up in the twinkle of an eye"???
anybody Know????

[watchman_2]

dean,

'Rapture' is not in the Bible or in the manuscripts from which the Bible, in English, is translated. So, the theory or the 'rapture' is nothing more than a presumption of man -- one requiring proof before one gives it any credibility.

Since 'rapture' is a presumptive theory and not a direct scriptural directive from God or Christ [through their chosen scribes], the veracity of the 'rapture' theory cannot be attained through simply pointing to those scriptures which could be interpreted to support the theory. In fact, the scriptures, themselves, give us the method and mode of scriptural interpretation.

<font color="0000ff"><font size="-1">2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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Hence, 'rapture' falls into the categories of reproof, correction, and/or instruction since it is merely a theory -- not doctrine.

Like any presumptive Biblical theory, 'rapture' needs to meet the burden of proof, subject to reproof, in order to be deemed truth. In other words, if certain scriptures suggest 'rapture' is true but other scriptures suggest that it is not true, then, if this dichotomy cannot be resolved, the theory is false.

Hence, when you write:
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anybody Know????
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you need to show that it is proof of the 'rapture'. So, let's look at the scripture for edification.

<font color="0000ff"><font size="-1">1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. </font></font>

As all can see, the moment of change occurs at the last trump. Almost all 'rapture' theory teaching is claiming that Christ returns prior to the last trump to get the Church, thereby sparing the Church all of, or part thereof, the tribulation of the endtimes.

So, by the very scripture that you referenced, we know that the change in the twinkling of an eye is not proof of the 'rapture'. In fact, it is proof that the 'rapture' theory is, in deed, false.