A challenge to non sc students [Archive] - Page 2

watchman_2

06-04-2007, 06:55 PM

stage_director wrote:
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That still doesn't prove two conceptions ... "She again bore his brother Abel" could just as easily mean another pregnancy as referring to twins. Murray's "she continued in labor" is still just the way he chooses to interpret it.
*****

You are truly misguided! As I demonstrated the "proper" interpretation is that Eve continued in labor and gave birth to Abel.

Yes, the twins are from separate fathers. Before you uneducated detractors comment on the impossibility of such impregnation, check out modern occurrences.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au:80/bb940516.htm
(Courtesy of the SC critic research team)

Also, check out Gen. 3:16.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

For those of you that understand mathematics, any number times zero equals zero. Hence, if the woman was not pregnant at the time, God's promise would result in no offspring. In such event, Adam would have named the woman "NotEve", for she would never give birth to any living.

But, the true Christian Bible student can read Gen. 3:16 and see that it is further proof that the woman is pregnant, is the basis for Adam's naming of the woman [Gen. 3:20], and is the groundwork for the dual paternal conception/birth of the twins, Cain and Abel.

oneway

06-04-2007, 07:24 PM

watchman_2,

"See Gen. 5. The daughters of Adam and Eve were not born until after Seth was born."

You just don't find it strange at all that all those listed in Gen 5 had the exact same pattern?

And (insert name here) lived after he begat (insert name here) (insert amount here) years, and begat sons and daughters:

They just all happen to produce children in the exact same manner and pattern?
Perhaps you're missing the context. The writer is establishing a lineage to Christ. The names listed in Gen 5 are of that lineage. Their sons and daughters could have been born prior to and after the ones' listed in Gen 5. Appearently the Holy Spirit thought it was unimportant for the author to list names and times of births of these other sons and daughters for a reason. Mainly because the lineage to Christ is the focus.

stage_director

06-04-2007, 07:29 PM

What oneway said ... ;-)

aviyah

06-04-2007, 07:45 PM

Oneway,

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"The writer is establishing a lineage to Christ. The names listed in Gen 5 are of that lineage." (Oneway, 06/04/07)
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Why do you suppose Cain's geneology is listed there in Genesis too, separately from Adam's? Because he was a stand up guy?

God Bless, AviYAH

enoch1

06-04-2007, 07:46 PM

Stage Director and Oneway,

Even I know that if this were the case, that Genesis is merely tracing the lineage to Christ, then why is the generations of Cain listed separately and shown not to even mingle with the line of Seth? This is one fact that cannot be disputed, no matter what the reason for it.
Alas, Stage Director apparently missed that the fact that Jacob and Esau were twins with "separate beginnings" and the story of Cain and Abel has similarities with the myth of Seth and Osiris (Seth is the murderer in that satanically inspired story)the former reference is one example of typology in the Biblical Books.
This typology is not offered as proof by this writer, but as a possible explanation for affirming that which Watchman has offered as an explanation.

Bruno

watchman_2

06-04-2007, 09:42 PM

oneway,

You wrote:
*****
You just don't find it strange at all that all those listed in Gen 5 had the exact same pattern?

And (insert name here) lived after he begat (insert name here) (insert amount here) years, and begat sons and daughters:

They just all happen to produce children in the exact same manner and pattern?
*****

Not at all. Just like Jacob. Out of his 13 children with four different wives, 12 were male. God is in control.

Notice the difference in conceptions of Abel and Seth -

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived,
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Gen 4:25 Adam knew his wife again

So, for your theory that Cain married one of his sisters, whom were born before Cain, you would have to have God revise Gen. 4:1 to read as follows:

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife again

The birthright goes with the eldest son. In the Adamic lineage to Noah, the Bible does not state that a daughter was born ahead of the first male.

In the case of Adam's offspring, Gen. 4 and 5 makes it clear that no daughters were born until after Seth.

oneway

06-04-2007, 11:03 PM

watchman_2,

"The birthright goes with the eldest son. In the Adamic lineage to Noah, the Bible does not state that a
daughter was born ahead of the first male."

I agree with this but that's not to say that Adam and Eve didn't have other children after the births of Cain and Abel and prior to the birth of Seth. Take note, there is a lot of time passing in the few verses of Gen 4. First we have Cain and Abel being born, then a verse or 2 later we have them already as grown. There was plenty of time just between those verses alone for Adam and Eve to have begat other children. There is nowhere in Gen 5 that gives a specific time of births of Adam and Eve's other children. While it may be illogical to conclude that Adam and Eve's other children were born prior to Cain and Abel, I don't find it illogical at all that they may have been born prior to Seth and also afterwards.
I will say this. You have provided more evidence in favor of, that Cain and Abel were twins, than not.

watchman_2

06-05-2007, 12:24 AM

oneway,

You wrote:
*****
 agree with this but that's not to say that Adam and Eve didn't have other children after the births of Cain and Abel and prior to the birth of Seth. Take note, there is a lot of time passing in the few verses of Gen 4. First we have Cain and Abel being born, then a verse or 2 later we have them already as grown. There was plenty of time just between those verses alone for Adam and Eve to have begat other children. There is nowhere in Gen 5 that gives a specific time of births of Adam and Eve's other children.
*****

It is true that a number of years elapsed between the birth of the twins and the birth of Seth. Yes, it was possible for children to be born during those years.

However, the Bible doesn't state that any were born between Abel and Seth. It is clear in Gen. 5:4 that the unnamed sons and daughters were listed after the birth of Seth.

But, for the sake of argument, let's assume that some unnamed sons and daughters were born in between the birth of Abel to the time that Cain slew Abel.

In such event, the birthright would have fallen onto the next eldest son, whom is unnamed. There would be no need for Eve to declare a replacement for Abel in Gen. 4:25. There would also already be sons in Adam's likeness, as was established for Seth in Gen. 5:3.

In addition, Adam would have to be the worst parent in history to allow a known murderer to marry one of his daughters. There would be no need for God to place a mark on Cain [Gen. 4:15] for all of Adam's family already knew he was a murderer. There would be no reason for Cain to be fearful of others that would slay him [Gen. 4:14] because Adam's family was already aware of Cain's punishment [Gen. 4:11-12].

Also, there would be no reason to name another land because Adam would own all of it. The reference to the Land of Nod is clearly indicative of a foreign land inhabited by others.

Accordingly, it remains illogical [and unbiblical] to conclude there were some of the unnamed sons and daughters of Adam and Eve born between the births of Abel and Seth.

jbstansel

06-26-2007, 09:29 PM

watchman_2 ..

without seeming disrespectful,something needs to be said to you.

you should NOT talk to anyone about what a "true Christian Bible student" should do when you aren't acting like a true Follower of Jesus Christ.

You need to humble yourself and stop replying to these posts like such a jerk!

I attend a Bible College and emphasizes not only knowledge of God's Word, but wisdom in that we are applying it.

I absolutely think that Shepherd's Chapel has some seriously messed up doctrine, and your attitude doesn't help your church's case very much.

The point is, you, and many other people that post here, don't seem interested so much in guiding people into truth in a spirit of love. Instead, you want to prove yourself right.

And don't argue with that because you know it's true.

Even though I don't think your motive is to bring people truth, I will tell you that people would be much more open to SC theology if you maybe acted a little more like Christ...you know, since you're a Christian.

watchman_2

06-26-2007, 11:15 PM

jbstansel,

Welcome to the SC threads.

I have never claimed to be anything but a Christian warrior. Admittedly, I go a bit overboard in righteous indignation at times; but, rarely do I do this to someone that does not deserve it.

If a detractor can discuss/debate the word of God without placing personal inuendos into their commentary, I can be, and have been, extremely professional and courteous in my reply. The problem generally arises when the detractor is proven wrong.

At that point, the detractor cannot contain themself and usually starts in with the personal commentary regarding the SC, PM, or the SCer instead of displaying Christian behavior and thanking the SCer for edifying them. In fact, their so-called 'Christ-like' demeanor that they display upon first posting is merely a front. They usually are outed as phonies.

In my opinion, you are way off base with your comments. What behavior is Christ like? Since Christ displayed the full range of natural emotions, what emotions have I displayed that are not Christ-like?

You see, picking and choosing that which one considers to be a Christ-like emotion is not really a valid argument. Some people prefer the gentle and patient side to Christ. Other people prefer the tongue-lashing righteously indignant Christ behavior.

One thing that we all can agree on is that Christ was not a sinner and spoke truth. To that extent, when I have been in error regarding an individual or misrepresented what an individual has claimed, I have apologized. When I have been the bearer of false witness, I also apologize.

If you read enough posts here at the SC threads, you will see that, not only I but, my fellow SC brothers and sisters behave in the same manner. We show a great respect for truth and honesty.

The SCers, by a far stretch, exhibit more Christ-like behavior then do our detractors.

Nonetheless, I apologize if my non-biblical discourse and conduct has offended you in any way. I hope that you understand that my general purpose is a worthy one in bringing forth the truth of God's Word to the viewer.

As for the doctrine, I will keep telling the Truth. When I know that I am correct, do you expect me to keep quiet about it? Do you think Christ would want me to not share that which he has accorded me?

I think not!!!

godchild

06-26-2007, 11:16 PM

I would like to leave you with smyrna's version of "NOT" being a hypocrit. If you've read many of his posts, especially his first one, he says he came here, and it has been said even by other scer's, he goes around on websites looking to defend am/sc. He uses the name "martureo":

Martureo

Member
Posts: 26
(6/8/04 9:33 pm) (note the date. He claimed here he's been following am/sc for at least 10 years.--gc)
Reply

Re:Interpretation/Hypocrisy/Scripture

If people were honest with themselves, I probably would not be here acting as an apologist for Catholic theology But since Paul is threatening to silence me (typical smyrna paranoia.--gc), even though others on this board have been just as virulent in their attacks against hundreds of millions of people, I better get my words in before I am banished for doing the same things those who remain are doing. Hypocrisy? I will not be the judge, God will judge them.
I see many posts that speak of how one should rely on Scripture and not tradition or rituals. Well, the Bible is full of traditions and rituals. So this charge is simply unwarranted. What those who oppose Catholicsim really complain about is that Catholic traditions and customs do not fit their own.
They determine heresy and blasphemy based on their own unique interpretations of Scripture, or ther own Chruch authorities, but will not allow anyone else the same leeway. And they are unique, especially since they came way later than the forms of worship that developed in the early i.e. Catholic Church.
But let's look at one chrge i.e. idolatry. Those who oppose Catholic practices such as icons and statuary, had no problem going and seeing the movie The Passion of Christ. But is not that an image? Is it not an icon?
Can anyone of these people tell me they did not say a prayer whle they were in the theater watching "Jesus" go through His suffering?
Hypocrisy. Catholics pray in Churches full of statues and paintings, which serve only to symbolize the memory of people and events described in Scripture, but it's okay to watch a full blown electronic image of Jesus being tortured and crucified, but that's ok.
But Catholics claim supernatual powers can come from touching icons and statues, relics, etc. That is the problem.
No, the problem is that type of shallow interpetation of the practice.
When the woman reached out and touched His garment, she was healed. Not by the garment, but by her faith. Those who go to shrines and touch relics are faithful, to God, not to created things. It's just their way showing their faith in the power behind the objects, which is the Holy Spirit.
The same people who are reviled by such practices have no problem taking medicine, thus putting their faith in a chemical, because I guess to them prayer isn't powerful enough. No, they have to have that pill.
Then there are those who say that Catholics rely on ritual and their Church Priests rather than Scripture itself.
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to be cont.

godchild

06-26-2007, 11:18 PM

part 2 of smyrna's post on another site:

Well, while you are shouting that into cyberspace, you need to read this link, www.deism.com/biblevotes.htm (http://www.deism.com/biblevotes.htm) which will show you how the Catholic Church is responsible for the Bible you read (not am, who doesn't use, nor do his students, the one he wrote, but the catholic church.--gc). Even if it is the King James, it followed and included the same books, with few differences.
So you read the same Gospels as Catholics do. You just interpret them differently. It is not ‘another’ Gospel, as some here have charged. Just more deception.
Furthermore, those who choose another interpretation are simply choosing to follow another Church, or some other authority, even their own "common sense".
Oh, they may claim the Holy Spirit is guiding them to "proper" interpretation but then you would have to believe absolutely that the CATHOLICS at the Chruch councils were also being guided by the Holy Spirit. And dare you say you believe that!

smyrna is one of the biggest hypocrits who will ever "intrude upon" a web-post on any site. He comes here to defend am. He goes hither and yon to defend the catholic church. He would make it much simpler to simply change his username to "hypocrit", don't ya think! (As you can see, I am not the only one of this opinion. His own post I just pasted said it! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

06-26-2007, 11:24 PM

If anyone is interested, go to the site he gave the link to and click on the "rebuttal" at the bottom of the page. Oh here, this is the link for the rebuttal:

http://www.deism.com/rebuttalbibleorgins.htm

rachelengland

06-27-2007, 01:22 AM

Hey that Deism site is awesome and one of my favorites..I hope people will take a deeper look into it! R

smyrna

06-27-2007, 02:50 AM

Godchild doesn't even know how to spell hypocrite (yes Godchild it has an "e" at the end) much less define what the term actually means.

Of course, we're getting this commentary from Godchild, who can't even properly define the word "martyr" as she claimed that we SC students would "martyr" Pastor Murray after he passes on the the Father!

I've commented upon my relationship to the SC and my stauch support and as a bapitzed member of the Catholic Church.

Godchild chooses to ignore those comments so she can keep attacking me on that point, which is the only way she can do so.

But ignorance is bliss for Godchild. Were that not so, she wouldn't wallow in it so much.

Now since she is back to her old tricks, posting things written by others in the past, perhaps it's time for another visit with Godchild's most silly ridiculous, and abosultely hilarious posts, which she actually considered serious comments!

I suspect that readers will be more interested in Godchild's ridiculous past posts than some deism site!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

rachelengland

06-27-2007, 02:58 AM

True that is- Christians hurling insults at each other-does garner a lot more attention than pseudo-intellects..http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif

smyrna

06-27-2007, 05:21 AM

Hi Rachel,

Hey look, what you call insults can also be interpreted as merely observing, and forming an opinion on that observation.

If something strikes me as being negative, and I comment on it using negative descriptions, then I have that right.

Also, why would you even mention ANY attention paid to "pseudo-intellects" assuming you are referring to that deism site?

Please remember, Rachel, that Godchild just brought this stuff up out of the blue. I did not instigate this latest exchange. I reserve the right to respond to her comments.

So you can either take it as an insult, or even a compliment.

Perosonally, the above posts are what I would call a step up for Godchild, since she hasn't called me a "cold bich" "mongrel" "mamzer" and her usual "boring fool" as she likes to call me are all absent.

The only thing she called me was a "hypocrit" (her spelling, not the correct spelling) and true to her historical style, she misused and misapplied the term.

Hypocrite is from from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
- hypocrite adjective

Neither is true about me. The term would only be valid if it were proven true that I am or do what hypocrites do. However, I do not.

I am a member of the Catholic Church. I also study with Pastor Murray.

We have been over and over the apparent differences between SC and Catholic teachings. There are certainly differences, but in the controversial subjects we have covered, there is NO CLEAR ex-cathedra teaching regarding them. Period, no controversy, the Pope allows for further study in those subjects and about those issues.

I've referenced sources, posted the Pope's encyclicals (by link) which address them, etc.

So Godchild can just keep on being the arm chair critic. It's easy for her, since she doesn't belong to ANY Church!

That is totally against the spirit of Christ's teachings, as we covered this subject before.

And Godchild MUST have thought we were right, because lo and behold, she "just decided" to go to Church! (apprently she didn't join)

That's where her now infamous comment about how she "Hasn't been letting the let of Christ shine through her enough" came about.

Too bad she uttered her most vile,derogatory,discompassionate, even racist comments towards Terluvire and others after her enlighteninghttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif Church experience!

There was good that came of it though. She showed us she is unrepentent, never apologizing for those comments.

It also showed that those who remained silent about those comments, or even tried to justify them,just happened to be her fellow SC detractors.

So if Godchild wants to have a discussion about hypocrisy, hey, the floor is open. Go for it!

stage_director

06-27-2007, 06:51 AM

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as a bapitzed member of the Catholic Church.
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Aren't Catholics baptized as children, or babies?

terluvire

06-27-2007, 01:04 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifGood Morning Smyrna,

Great post!!

rachelengland

06-27-2007, 02:32 PM

Yes, good morning Smyrna...I meant no sarcasm by my post..simply that most people probably would find that deism site boring-compared to conversations which take place between people on these threads...Take Care, R

abiyah

06-27-2007, 04:54 PM

JBStansel WROTE:
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QUOTE: " I attend a Bible College and emphasizes not only knowledge of God's Word, but wisdom in that we are applying it. " END QUOTE
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Good Morning to you JBStansel:
And welcome to these CHRISTIAN SC Threads here at FACTnet. : )

I hope you'll know that I speak kindly to you sir. You had said that your school emphasizes not only on The Knowledge of God's Word, but also Wisdom in which we are to apply it. Please simplify that, and explain how it applies to Watchman ? For undoubtedly he shares The Truth of God's Word, and does so from God's Word, while some come along here, and on their own accord, oppose The Truth brought forth FROM God's Word, to keep hold of false doctrines [Matthew 16:12] and 'traditions', which we KNOW make God's Word to none effect [Mark 7:13]. 
JBStansel WROTE:
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QUOTE:" And don't argue with that because you know it's true. " END QUOTE
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That sentence alone comes across with a command, and seemingly you judge him. Yet who has given you the okay to talk down to this servant of The Lord ? If it were God, you would not judge him, and you would do as He Commanded in Matthew 7:1. For IF you discern Watchman is in err with the way in which he responds to those who oppose The REAL Truth Written in God's Word, then why do you NOT 'correct' him with The Knowledge of God's Word, as opposed to your own words ? This is what your school emphasizes... is it not ? You say that you have been taught to emphasise THAT Knowledge, and The Wisdom in which to apply it ? Yet where is it in your above speech ? Indeed, it is absent.

II Timothy 3:16
" All Scripture IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and IS Profitable for Doctrine, for reproof, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

II Timothy 3:17
" That the man of God may be perfect [=complete], throughly furnished unto ALL GOOD WORKS. "

So you see calling this fellow labourer, and a brother to you in Jesus Christ The Lord a "jerk" is simply not wise. Is it ? Nor will your own words perfect, or complete a man of God in ALL good works; As The Scriptures, THAT DOCTRINE, which bringeth forth The Knowledge of God's Word is missing from your post brother.

watchman_2

06-27-2007, 06:23 PM

abiyah,

Thank you for your post. I believe that I have never posted directly in reply to anything that jbstansel has posted in the past. I found it ironic that jbstansel was admonishing me that I was not Christ-like [whom could be]; however, on the other hand, he/she called me a 'jerk', yet, I have done nothing whatsoever to jbstansel to warrant such a label.

It seemed to me that jbstansel's unprovoked and unwarranted attack of my character was hardly Christ-like either. This would make jbstansel a hypocrite.

Nonetheless, I attempted to turn the other cheek. Spiritual discernment tells me that jbstansel's derrogatory comments are born out of ignorance of God's Word. He/she is offended by the Truth, and, thereby has lashed out at me.

godchild

06-27-2007, 07:57 PM

jbstansel,
In the middle of February this year, abi posted this after people got tired of watchman's (and smyrna's) nasty words to those who disagree with them:

You know..... at times it may seem as though Watchman and Smyrna may seem a bit rough with their words.... so to speak; HOWEVER, they have simply tried to WARN YOU brother of the deception that is to soon come upon ALL that dwell on the earth. Perhaps you could look at it as 'tough love', being bold and salty to correct you in the hopes that you will NOT be deceived by the son of perdition when he stands where he ought not CLAIMING to be God.

His servants here at FACTnet also warned you brother and after all the boldness of tones, as well as the senseless back and forth bickerings, that you'll then also know that these men, your brothers IN Christ The Lord, were only trying to help you David after all.

Abiyah

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Here are some of the words used by them:

"satan child"
"satan's whore"
"is on back with legs spread for satan"
"giving suck to satan"
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(Don't let them lie. It was only after a confrontation watchman began to say his words were "spiritually speaking".)

I post this to let you know its best to ignore the one who thinks she is Mother Theresa incarnate. We have gotten used to her rants.

stage_director

06-27-2007, 08:33 PM

Jbstansel, I found your post to be right on ... and I suspect all of us would do well to mind our manners a little more.

rachelengland

06-27-2007, 08:34 PM

See what I mean folks..this stuff is a heck of lot more interesting than a deism forum..Believe me!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

stage_director

06-27-2007, 08:42 PM

lol

smyrna

06-27-2007, 10:53 PM

stage_director
New member
Username: stage_director

Post Number: 19
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 69.210.138.201
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 1:51 am:

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QUOTE (by me, Smyrna)
as a bapitzed member of the Catholic Church.
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Aren't Catholics baptized as children, or babies?

Smyrna: Just because I relish in proving how ridiculous and ingorant Stage Director is,NO, all Catholics are NOT baptized as children or babies!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

I was baptized Catholic at the age of 25, coming over from the Lutheran Church.

Most parishes offer adult Catechism classes for those who are coming into the Catholic Church.

How silly, how foolish, and how ignorant for Stage Director to come up with stuff like that!

But, what do we expect from someone who claims that the sin in the Garden of Eden was seeking knowledge! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

06-27-2007, 11:48 PM

Aren't Catholics baptized as children, or babies?

The question wasn't whether all catholics are baptized as children, it was......read it again, dung-pile.

How silly, how foolish, how ignorant once again of smyrna to try and twist sd's words. Adding 'for stage director to come up with stuff like that! even makes him look more like a dung-pile, fly-catcher-maggot-daddy. But what can you expect from one who, failing once to discredit a website, plans on doing it again to another website; not a website that speaks out against catholics, but one that doesn't even have a topic area for regular posters about am/sc, a cult led by a neo-nazi, communist, anti-government, old Jew hater. Let's add smyrna and cohorts are those who are regularly banned from several websites including the one they plan on copying for purposes of laying total deception on the public. See past posts showing him bragging about bringing down the owner of scripturetruth.com.

smyrna is a mental midget, hopeful of being recognized by any religious leader and willing to go to any lengths to succeed in his childish and evil endeavors. He says he speaks with catholic monks and has them convinced of am's teachings. He says he is a loyal catholic who supports (evidenced by his radical but impotent defense here and other discussion boards after his own has been a dismal failure) arnold murray/shepherd's chapel.

quote: As for the latter, this is not an indication that the Church itself is evil, only that there are clerics who have sold out to satan, and in a way we can view them as infiltrators in an otherwise strong and enduring institution founded by Christ Himself, who stated that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Does am hold the keys to the gates of hell in smyrna's mind?)

Does this sound like a man in command of his mental faculties? Doesn't it seem more like he is suffering from a severe mental illness? First defending one church, then another; all during the same time frame, believing they are both true while saying only one was the first! Be sure to read more about this inigma who calls himself by several different names (according to who his audience is, apparently), claims to have scriptural truths and defends not one man; the pope AND arnold murray who are completely separate in their theological positions (unless smyrna now thinks am is a type of pope, the spokesman on earth for God and receiving revelation.) I wonder, does he kiss am's ring and bow when he goes to visit am's little chapel in the toolies?

I'll finish this up later. I have more important things to do at the moment. Be sure and check this guy out before taking his word? for anything. He's got some problems, to be sure, none of them expected to right themselves in the near future (he says he's been doing this stuff for what, about 30 years, bouncing from church to church then joining up with two at once)? Lord have mercy on us!

smyrna

06-28-2007, 02:58 AM

Ho hum, another post by Godchild letting the light of Christ shining through her,addressing me, once again, who she just described yesterday as "old news" that "no one listnes to".

Yet, she spends time looking for my old posts, and commenting on my new ones.
I love the attention, thanks!

But sorry, I don't agree with your analysis, and certainly do not agree with your personal insults. But I just consider the source.

There is not need for me to defend my intellectual capability before Godchild. After all, the SC students here know what she's all about.

Talk about old news!

Furthermore, I don't think that becoming a Catholic at 25, and studing the teachings of Pastor Murray is honestly described as "bouncing from Church to Chruch."

But wild speculation, dishonest representations, outright lies, are all part of Godchild.

Its what happens when you become a bitter old woman, who feels ripped of from life itself, because her early years were spent in the Mormon Church. Well, that's not our fault. So go and maintain your own war against the Mormons. The SC never did anything to you, nor has any of the students. You came here on the offensive, joining the other rumor mongers, so please continue.

All we can do is sit and laugh, as we always have, while you continue to make a fool of your self.

The next laugh we'll have is when all the "Ah, FactNet closes down in so and so days" prophesy that will not come to pass!

Oh yeah, one other thing: I feel like manipulating the CBers tonight. So, I'll leave you with this:

The SC thread at CB has not had a new post since June 13th, as of yesterday!

Why? Because they were being "bickering cult fanatics" and anyone who has access to that "hidden" thread needs to read how they were going at each other!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Now here is why I am posting this:

Because I'm such a nice guy, by making the above comment, they will all now flock back to that thread, play lovey dovey, and then claim I was wrong and lying! But I just want them to kiss and make up, because, like I said, I'm really a nice, loveable guy.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

06-28-2007, 08:30 PM

Poor smyrna. He had nothing better to attack me with earlier yesterday than my mispelling of "hypocrite". I forgot the "e". Wow! A typo!

Was he calm when he answered to my last post. He's so "up" on spelling, could he have been a little "testy" when he wrote this, or was it a Freuian slip of massive proportions.

"Furthermore, I don't think that becoming a Catholic at 25, and studing the teachings of Pastor Murray is honestly described as "bouncing from Church to Chruch."" Need I say more? I think not! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif But I must say, before I leave you, there is no problem with leaving the mormon church. Nor is there a problem with smyrna leaving the Lutheran Church to join the Catholic Church. The concern lies in his admittance to belonging to the Catholic AND the Shepherd's Chapel.

He says he sees no difference in them; apparently none that bother him. This shows he has no idea for sure who God is, who Christ is, who the Holy Spirit is, who satan is, who the Jews are, who the elect are, what sin is, idol-worship (I should delete this one because he worships both am and hasn't denied he would bow and kiss the Pope's finger on which a ring sits).

People are welcome to consider smyrna a knowledgable person about Christianity and how a Christian defends Jesus Christ. Would his pope carry a briefcase with a 9mm in it? Would his pope place a board on his wall to beat people into submission with.

But most of all, what would Jesus do?

To smyrna, put your money where your mouth is! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

godchild

06-28-2007, 08:38 PM

Who made a prophecy about when factnet will close? I merely read the notice at the top of this page and wrote what the folks at factnet are posting. Right now its 6 days, 4 hrs, 19 min, and some seconds. For smyrna's edification, the word is spelled with a "c", not an "s". Have a really good afternoon, okay.

smyrna

06-29-2007, 05:20 AM

Poor smyrna. He had nothing better to attack me with earlier yesterday than my mispelling of "hypocrite". I forgot the "e". Wow! A typo!

Smyrna: No, not a typo, since you have been doing it over and over, until I pointed it out. Can't you be honest about ANYTHING?

Hey, I'll be the first to admit I am a TERRIBLE typist, lol!

But, I am a very good speller, and have a very extensive vocabulary, and I thank God for that!

This is how stupid Godchild can be when she is at her best:

"Would his pope carry a briefcase with a 9mm in it? Would his pope place a board on his wall to beat people into submission with."

Smyrna; The Pope has a bullet proof vehicle, nicknamed the "popemobile." The famous Swiss Guard is responsible for guarding the Pope and the Vatican grounds.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0505416.htm

"Though their security savoir-faire may look antiquated with their quaint medieval weaponry, the guards are all former Swiss army soldiers, trained in martial arts and ***skilled in modern firearm use***. They also attend seminars conducted by the Swiss government's secret service."

"When they accompany the pope on special security duty, the guards ditch the yellow, red and blue ceremonial uniforms for sleek business suits."

"The Swiss Guards have pledged to guard the pope's life even at the risk of their own. It was an undercover Swiss Guard who helped shield Pope John Paul II during the assassination attempt against his life on May 13, 1981, in St. Peter's Square."

Of course, Godchild and her silly CB comrades think that the Pope should just rely on "angels" or "faith" and claim that anyone who relies on anything else don't have any true faith.

Like I said before, if Godchild has such "true faith" then she can leave her chicken coop open, pray the cats don't kill her little chickies, leave her car unlocked anywhere she goes,and just lay all her money on her porch and pray no one takes it.

As for her "prophecy" that FactNet will close, she claims she read the FactNet notices.

However, she apparently doesn't understand there is a strong possibility the forums will remain open. But she's convinced she knows the future, so she still is talking like Factnet will definitely closed.

david_munson

06-30-2007, 04:03 PM

Poor this one and that one.
Why,who knows?

More like poor reader who makes the mistake of reading through all this "stuff".

Better yet how's this?

Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Now that's more edifying than the other less spiritual things said here.

So,
I hope you are all poor like in that verse above that I posted.
Very and truely sincerely,
Dave
}

godchild

06-30-2007, 05:07 PM

david, I'm getting tired of your self-righteous postings all over these threads. No one is innocent. We could keep bringing up all your nasty fights with watchman, or the nasty posts you made about am/sc when you first came here, but we haven't. So get over yourself.

What you "say" you wish for us is fake, david. FAKE! There is no true Christian love in your posts anymore than there are in abi's. Take your concerns for others to the Lord, if your concern is real.

I'd like to leave you (abi may need it more, but she wouldn't appreciate it) with this:

WE SHOULDN'T BE SO HEAVENLY MINDED THAT WE ARE NO EARTHLY GOOD!

I really hope you will think about this. You have it in you to do better. For some reason, you've decided to become more like abi and scooter, and less like david munson.

godchild

06-30-2007, 05:20 PM

smyrna, I'm sorry for your Mom.

What would you know about Victoria Secret? Got a fetish going on there, little boy?

Why do you feel this intense need to defend catholic communion? Did anyone say one thing about catholic communion. You seem to be the one having a problem with it?

The pope didn't find it necessary to ride in a bullet-proof vehicle or wear a bullet-proof vest til someone tried to asassinate him, did he? No one's going out into the toolies to asassinate ol am. That old paddle (the two by four) on his wall only shows he's not a serious pastor. Spends so much time, which his kids parrot, about how they're going to use violent measures against their (imaginary) enemies. Children will play, and fools will watch. They're a bunch of cowards, who would run at the first sign of danger. Stand and be a man, or at least as much of a man as you are able, seeing how you know so much about sexy women't underwear and take such an inordinate interest in what other women are wearing beneath their clothing. Jealousy! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

06-30-2007, 05:30 PM

And why is my misspelling hypocrit such a big deal to you? You have nothing better to do? Mercy sakes boy, I feel sorrier and sorrier for you all the time. When is the last time you spoke to your parents? Take some good advice and call them. Be a good son, and not a neglectful, selfish one, all wrapped up in your own small world. That's such an empty way to live, you know. Don't talk to your step-daughter about what she wears under her clothes. That's NONE of your business, and you should know better.

godchild

06-30-2007, 05:43 PM

I'm finally starting to understand smyrna after all this time. He's a homophobic rascist. He belongs not to one church, but two (the only reason he's not considered a member of sc is ol murray doesn't want records of who sends him their money). One where the priests don't have normal male and female relationships, but would rather rape young children, especially males. And the other with a pastor who warns all the women they better look out for some imaginary giants with lizard-tails who want to rape them, the men to watch out or these boogey-men or they'll steal their women away from them, and spends too much time out on his knees in a barn baal-worshipping.

smyrna is just a poor boy who wants to be one of them; so his frustrations cause him to spend his good time and money on sicko preachers when he could just admit who he is and go get his sex-change operation and be done with it. People will accept him, after all, if he'd just stay away from the ones he chooses to align himself with now. They're just no good for him or anyone else, and the sooner he realizes it, the better off his family, anyone who has to listen to him, and himself will be in the future. I'll be praying for him. Also that he'll just learn to live in peace with all the blacks who live in LA or just move if it makes him so darn miserable. Gosh, its so simple, really. Cooks can get a job anywhere. Even Arkansas.

smyrna, Have you tried to talk to your wife about these problems? Try, boy. Just try one time!

Now, I've done my best to counsel this boy. I'll say no more about it! Let's see if he's smart enough not to.

terluvire

06-30-2007, 06:05 PM

ungodly child,

Are you nuts? Have you lost your mind???

What the heck are you rambling about...?....such as:

Quote:
I'm finally starting to understand smyrna after all this time. He's a homophobic rascist

Quote:
And the other with a pastor who warns all the women they better look out for some imaginary giants with lizard-tails who want to rape them

Quote:
the men to watch out or these boogey-men or they'll steal their women away from them, and spends too much time out on his knees in a barn baal-worshipping.

Quote:
so his frustrations cause him to spend his good time and money on sicko preachers when he could just admit who he is and go get his sex-change operation and be done with it.

Quote:
Also that he'll just learn to live in peace with all the blacks who live in LA or just move if it makes him so darn miserable

ungodly child, do you make this stuff up as you go along???

Then you post this as if to give credibility to what you wrote:
smyrna, Have you tried to talk to your wife about these problems? Try, boy. Just try one time!

You're a nutcase and a liar. Anyone who believes what you post has got to be a crazy as you. lol!

godchild

06-30-2007, 07:14 PM

ter, Give us one piece of proof, of evidence; that one thing you have said here is the truth, that you have not made it up, not imagined it. What proof do you have that one thing I have said is not true? Am I a nutcase? You think so, who cares really? I don't care what you think. You don't care what I think. We're even, ter. Who cares what you think other than those who don't really care what you think, but only that you agree with what they think. You do not rule my life, you have not one inkling of what my life is about or who I am. I do not give one thought to you when I leave here. I pray for you all then I move on. Go home, ter. Go home and take care of your family. Take care of terluvire. Clean your own house, ter. When you have done that then come to the internet and judge others.

And the very next time am tells you he can get God to do what he wants, read Job, ter. You really do need to do this. When you hear am say he can do away with people he doesn't like, read Job, ter. You really need to do this. And lastly, pay attention to what you are reading at cultbusters, ter. You all really need to do this. For your sake, not mine. Forget about me. Nothing I say can harm you, except by YOU.

godchild

06-30-2007, 08:27 PM

oneway

06-30-2007, 09:24 PM

"smyrna is just a poor boy who wants to be one of them; so his frustrations cause him to spend his
good time and money on sicko preachers when he could just admit who he is and go get his
sex-change operation and be done with it. People will accept him, after all, if he'd just stay away from
the ones he chooses to align himself with now. They're just no good for him or anyone else, and the
sooner he realizes it, the better off his family, anyone who has to listen to him, and himself will be in
the future. I'll be praying for him. Also that he'll just learn to live in peace with all the blacks who live in
LA or just move if it makes him so darn miserable. Gosh, its so simple, really. Cooks can get a job
anywhere. Even Arkansas."

LOL!! godchild, you are truly funny. I appreciete the amusement. I honestly don't feel too guilty laughing at smyrna. Should I? He deserves it more than anyone in here IMO, you know, it goes hand in hand with reap what you sow. I pray the Lord will forgive me tho. I'm pretty sure I can be as creative as you with amusement but I'll try to hold my peace for now.

skooter942000

06-30-2007, 09:30 PM

i can't believe GC still posts here as if she
has something important or credible to say.

GC

- Belittling CHRISTIANS is not wise (dear).

- Have you learned nothing?

- Lev 26 is a GOOD READ (4_u)

Pro 22:4 By humility [and] the fear of
the LORD [are] riches, and honour, and life.

Pro 22:5 Thorns [and] snares [are] in the way
of the froward: he that doth keep his soul
shall be far from them.

Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should
go: and when he is old, he will not depart from
it.

Pro 22:7 The rich ruleth over the poor,
and the borrower [is] servant to the lender.

Pro 22:8 He that soweth iniquity shall reap
vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail.

Pro 22:9 He that hath a bountiful eye shall be
blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

Pro 22:10 Cast out the scorner, and contention
shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

- Wise words indeed

rachelengland

06-30-2007, 09:53 PM

Why hold your peace Oneway? You only have a few days left here...better just let it all out...

skooter942000

07-01-2007, 02:25 AM

Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil:
pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way,
...and the froward mouth, do I hate. 

Do you claim to be a CHRISTIAN (one-way)?

- Your sex change JOKE of Smyrna,
- (is not CHRIST-LIKE).

- Just so you know.

.....Or do you even care?

Sheep on the (RIGHT),
- Goats on the (LEFT)

- Time to CHOOSE http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

Repentance is a GIFT

smyrna

07-01-2007, 04:19 AM

Ter,

Don't mind Godchild.

The woman is so transparent, it's easy to see her stepping up her vitriol because of the fact she's been made a fool of again.

I think this time it's because she was silly enough to tell us how great she looks in her teenager's undies.

So instead of just biting the bullet, and admitting she was stupid for even bringing stuff like that up, she goes on yet another rambling diatribe, full of claims that she knows me or anything about me.

I say let her go on, she's her own worst enemy.

If you see her latest posts, she's basically been worn down to the point she's just following Stage Director around as a one woman cheering section for her equally silly posts.

I do get a kick out of her post 198 above.

Let me quote (spoof)

"I don't care what you think, because you don't care what I think, because I think you don't care, that what you think that I think. I don't think you think I think, but I know you think I don't think. Think so?"http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Ter, check out the Forget Shepherds Chapel! Tithe here! thread. Both Stage Director and Godchild are celebrating the fact they are "whimsical."

Go figure.

Now as for Oneway, I welcome these negative comments from him and the "dynamic whimsical duo."

It would really bother me if they liked me! Boy, would it!

Godchild calling me "little dung-pile, boring fool", and claiming she doesn't listen to me when she spends hours looking for my few posts at Figtree,and of course, hurling her Stage Director-like unfounded accusations has been much more than I hoped for!

Now, since we all know that imitation is the highest form of flattery, I'm currently compiling a list of stuff we have done on these forums that the detractors have imitated.

Some examples:

I author a thread called Franklin is Finished. Frankie then authors one called, Smyrna is Finished.

I author a post called, CB's Gavin (who is really Franklin) Botches "Study" of Enoch. Then Godchild, who has to go outside of FactNet to find someone she can criticize in this case, imitates that thread with "The Seasons "fig tree" botches study of the Bible.'

Stage Director uses the gimmick (one IO used first last week or even before) cliaming to be all these SC students, when I did the same thing when Frankie was claiming I was 'Say Good Night Gracie' and other identities.

If you look, and we should make a game of it, the detractors don't have much original material, but rely on us to lead the way. There are many more examples of their flattering us through imitation.

Quite flattering. Thanks again to our little pet detractors, following us around like puppies.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

david_munson

07-01-2007, 03:54 PM

Godchild:
"david, I'm getting tired of your self-righteous postings all over these threads. No one is innocent. We could keep bringing up all your nasty fights with watchman, or the nasty posts you made about am/sc when you first came here, but we haven't. So get over yourself."
---
You my dear sister have a perception problem.
Read what I posted to Watchman and see what kind of words I used.
I didn't take the fling insults approach as you have so many many times.
I addressed attitudes and such but to mention thjat diverts from your attempt to discredit me.
I ahve known about you and what your tactics are for a long time so why not avoid the embarrasment and leave it alone?
You have more to loose than I do and less of a secure foundation for your accusations.
You mention one post I made in 2005 and you think you are making a valid point?

Self righteous?
Read what I post before you quote it out of context.
I have appologized for that "one" post because I have grown.
What is your excuse?
---
Trouble comes to those who ask for it.
If you want to play that game with me then put up your nasty litttle posts you've made against these people,any one of what you have posted against mine and ask then who is the problem.

Ask who is respected more you or I and ask why?

You have caused enough problems with others in more than one place and I will stand to your face if you are numb enough to try it with me.
(you'll find yourself in deeper water than you can swim in)

I have little tolerance for contentious people.

You may have harrassed some one else off the boards but with me you will have more than you can deal with.
I promise.

}

david_munson

07-01-2007, 03:59 PM

Proverbs 21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

Proverbs 27:15 A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.
}

oneway

07-01-2007, 04:30 PM

"Do you claim to be a CHRISTIAN (one-way)?

- Your sex change JOKE of Smyrna,
- (is not CHRIST-LIKE)."

Get the facts straight. I never came up with that joke, I just thought it was a little humorous that's all. It just happened to strike me as funny. But only because it was being said of smyrna. If godchild would have said this about someone else, I probably wouldn't have found it amusing. Smyrna degrades and belittles people on here all the time. It looks like he's getting some of it back. And just for the record, when godchild went thru that episode of name calling to ter, I wasn't amused at all. And the same goes for all the other name calling, I don't and didn't find it very amusing, but I decided to make an exception in this one case we're speaking of. Also I might need to say, I only laughed for about 30 minutes http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifbut I'm over it now. I got it out of my system.

oneway

07-01-2007, 04:47 PM

Do you claim to be a CHRISTIAN (skooter)?

- Your sex JOKE of satan having sex with Adam and Eve,
- (is not CHRIST-LIKE).

I'll go even one further, it's not even in the bible!!
What say you now?

oneway

07-01-2007, 05:16 PM

"Now as for Oneway, I welcome these negative comments from him and the "dynamic whimsical duo."

It would really bother me if they liked me! Boy, would it! "

LOL!! Get ready to be bothered, smyrna, because I actually like you. It's hard not to like someone that keeps me utterly amused as you do. If I could only be half as funny as you, I'd be rich. Don't worry, my comments weren't being negative about you. I was just having a little fun with it at your expense...you know...kind of like the same way you have a little fun with others at their expense.

skooter942000

07-01-2007, 05:24 PM

- Oneway

- Yes i am a CHRISTIAN. 

- You never said you were (have you)?

We have Proved it, from the manuscripts.
- Time and Time again.
(...yet you still will not accept it)

- That's upon you.

BTW/

i never posted this as a JOKE.
(those are you words), not mine!!!!
*you own up to them*

- you are blind to the FACTS.
& That's between you and THE LORD.

If you like the MILK , (that's fine by me).
But there is MEAT to ingest for ADULT CHRISTIANS.

- In other words (MATURE) , or not , your choice.

Are you going to be MAN ENOUGH
(I.E. A CHRISTIAN),
and apologize for your words....

- Would Vivian?

- a Real CHRISTIAN would.

- i'm not holding my Breath
- For your FRUIT has been tested , And is tainted.

- The TRUTH hurts does it not?
(your TWO posts show that it does)

MAY GOD BLESS THOSE , - WHO BLESS HIM,

Pro 1:5 A wise [man] will hear,
and will increase learning;
and a man of understanding
shall attain unto wise counsels:

Pro 1:6 To understand a proverb,
and the interpretation; the words
of the wise, and their dark sayings.

Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD
[is] the beginning of knowledge:
[but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.

yaakov2

07-02-2007, 02:11 AM

Godchild

I am disappointed with your post #196. I know that you are so much better than that. While Smyrna is far from being my favorite poster and you two have been going at it, you've hurt yourself with that trashy post. You really didn't need to stoop so low. IMO, you should apologize while you still can, before FACTNET closes.

godchild

07-02-2007, 03:03 AM

yaakov, unlike so many of these posters, I don't have a problem with people being gay, or what they wear, or who they sleep with, or don't. You, like the other 'guys' here, can call it 'a contentious woman', 'a woman scorned', 'a crazy old woman's whatever', but if you guys can't take the kind of insults we as women have been putting up for the last few thousand years, too bad. You can call it my being a member of the "good old girls club" or think of it as "girls just being girls."

David, don't threaten me. Your halo just slipped, my friend.

(Message edited by godchild on July 01, 2007)

godchild

07-02-2007, 12:57 PM

After sleeping on it, I've decided yaakov is right. I should apologise to anyone who comes here who is gay. I wouldn't want to offend them, as they get enough crap from so many small-minded people who would rather look for a negative in others because they have no code of ethics for themselves. People make the mistake of accepting whatever their society says is bad as being so, even when down in their soul they know this kind of judgment causes hurt to another who has done them no harm.

In a sense, I am also guilty of what I accuse am/sc of, because whether or not smyrna is a homophobe or not is none of my business, anymore than am suggesting asians and Jews are inferior and condemned by God before they were born to this earth, is any of his.

What he does is plant seeds of hate and doubt in people who are poorly educated and have grown up in homes where bigotry and rascism is an accepted way of life. He teaches them to fear people they really know nothing about. Fear breeds hate. Hate places innocent people in danger. All because some bigoted, rascist communist old man hopes to make a mark for himself on this world.

My error was in allowing his followers personal insults to me affect my work in exposing am's evil. I made myself more important than my cause which is worthy, while I am not. For that I apologise, and may God and my neighbors forgive me.

Thank you, yaakov, for bringing me to account for this.

watchman_2

07-02-2007, 02:34 PM

You can't get a straight-forward apology from god[satan's]child. She has to tell a lie or two therein.

Lie No. 1 -

"than am suggesting asians and Jews are inferior and condemned by God before they were born to this earth, is any of his".

There is absolutely no truth to that claim. Whereas many christians will say that the Jew or the Asian non-Christian cannot be saved, PM/SC teaches that all people have the same opportunity at salvation. This means that, if they did not get their opportunity here in the flesh, they will get that opportunity in the millennium that follows the return of Christ.

[Combined] Lie No. 2 -

"What he does is plant seeds of hate and doubt in people who are poorly educated and have grown up in homes where bigotry and rascism is an accepted way of life. He teaches them to fear people they really know nothing about. Fear breeds hate. Hate places innocent people in danger. All because some bigoted, rascist communist old man hopes to make a mark for himself on this world."

I thought she was writing about smyrna. Then, she switches to her whining diatribe on PM, which has been disproven and debunked hundreds of times here.

Lie No. 3 -

"My error was in allowing his followers personal insults to me affect my work in exposing am's evil."

Gee -- wasn't she the one that came here full of insults first. She was affected [pathetic loser and drunk] -- a bitter old hag -- long before she came her to pollute these threads.

BTW, work, in terms of physics, is defined as 'force multiplied by distance'. Though she has been a constant 'force' [nonsensical irritant] here, she has failed to move any SCer or potential SCer away from SC. Her 'force' has resulted in 'no movement'. Hence, she has performed 'no work'.

She wrote:
*****
For that I apologise, and may God and my neighbors forgive me.
*****

I guess that smyrna, terluvire, and all SCers will not be the recipient of her apology.

oneway

07-02-2007, 04:07 PM

Some of you people in here need to grow up and quit feeling sorry for yourselves. Quit playing the role of judge and jury and start being the example that you claim others fail in. We all have shortcomings, we're all human, no, none of us are kenites, so that means we're 100% human and none of us are perfect. Yes there are a lot of insults being hurled back and forth and people getting offended on both sides of the matter. You reap what you sow, this doesn't justify the matter, but it's a fact of life. The problem with some of you people in here is you don't have enough sense to understand me. Big deal if I thought what godchild said about smyrna was funny. Maybe I had my reasons. This is a comedy club in here isn't it? Aint that why most of you are here..for the comedy? Doesn't anyone think this nonsense has gone on long enough? I don't know how any of you survive out in the real world when you're so easily offended, yet you seem to have no problem offending others. All the name calling and insults that have been hurled at me means zilch. I don't lose sleep over it. The only times that I ever do feel offended is when I'm trying to present the Truth and no one is listening.
I'm going to do my part as a Christian and seek forgiveness from all I have offended directly and indirectly. Ill start with the few that I'm pretty sure I have offended and if I've left anyone out, then bring it to my attention.
Smyrna, you above all, I want to apologize to you for anything that I have ever offended you with personally, I am truly sorry. I seek your forgiveness.
Watchman_2, I want to apologize for any personal offenses you may have felt from me. I am truly sorry. I seek your forgiveness.
Skooter, I want to apologize to you for any personal offenses that I have hurled your way. I am truly sorry and I seek your forgiveness.
Lutheratx, I want to apologize to you if I ever offended you personally. I am truly sorry and I seek your forgiveness.
Ezekiel37, I want to apologize to you for anything
that I may have said that you found personally offensive. I am truly sorry and I seek your forgiveness.
I don't apologize for my beliefs nor do I apologize for being in disagreement with some of your beliefs, I do apologize for any personal offenses one may have felt by what I posted.
I'll go even one more, even tho I don't always agree with AM, I want to apologize to all the scers here for any offenses you may have felt indirectly by what I may have posted about AM as a person. I am truly sorry and I seek your forgiveness.

david_munson

07-02-2007, 04:23 PM

Godchild,
"David, don't threaten me. Your halo just slipped, my friend."
---
Threaten you?
Not so,
I simply warned you not to harrass me and try to make me leave the board like you've done with others.

Read my post in context without adding things I haven't said.

What I did say was that I would not be bullied like others have been by you but will stand to your face if you keep it up.
(without using the insults we so frequently see used)

That is all.

}

skooter942000

07-02-2007, 06:30 PM

This message board was not put together
as a comedy club. (oneway)

- Now was it?

Who needs to grow up here?

MOCKING CHRISTIANS is not a wise choice.
- Is this what CHRIST teaches?

- MOCKING GOD and HIS WORD, is even WORSE.

- NO reason to post back.
- i am not in the mood for witty banter.

Joining in , (to humiliate others),
- is not CHRIST-LIKE.

Don <*))><

oneway

07-02-2007, 06:44 PM

Well, skooter, it's not in my hands anymore. I spoke my peace and if you're not willing to accept it, then that's on you, not on me. If you're not willing to forgive others then don't expect Christ to forgive you. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. I'm not going to sugarcoat the Truth or the facts for anyone. If what I wrote in my post post didn't mean anything to you, then I guess it didn't mean anything to you.

godchild

07-02-2007, 09:16 PM

oneway, I have apologised to these people before. They don't forgive nor forget, so what's the point? They love to feel they're persecuted. In their minds, that's proof 'true' Adamites are supposed to suffer for their beliefs. There's no personal responsiblity here. The word that comes to my mind is "sado-masochism", and has nothing at all to do with Christianity or simply a belief in God. (When I wrote my above post, every man/woman is called my neighbor, biblically speaking.)

godchild

07-02-2007, 09:20 PM

david, Would you mind filling me in as to who I am supposed to have "run off" any board? Are you sure you are not presuming something which has no basis in fact? If you are going to accuse me, don't I have a right to know the facts whereby I am being accused publicly?

yaakov2

07-02-2007, 09:48 PM

Oneway

Your post #92 was excellent, you are a real mensch (do a Wiki if you don’t understand). Were you the one that posted the spoofs from Landover Church? If so, know that I found them very humorous, including the one about “Rabbis gone wild”.

oneway

07-03-2007, 07:26 AM

"oneway, I have apologised to these people before. They don't forgive nor forget, so what's the point?"

godchild, believe me, I exepected as much out of them. I never entertained for a moment that they might welcome me with open arms, proclaiming they forgive me. Only a true Christian could do that.
So, that's my point. And once again my point has been proven, as well as your point also. My apologies to them were sincere and still stand.

david_munson

07-03-2007, 04:32 PM

Godchild,
I would have prefered to keep this in an email but you have forbid me to email you.

Think "Big" and you will have your answer.

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david_munson

07-03-2007, 04:43 PM

I find it hard at times to address some issues with you without having you become offended.

I don't want to offend.That is not my intention but it is hard to express how I see things with you without getting you upset.

I am one that likes to work through things even when the going gets tough.It's just the way I am.

I find it very hard to accomplish this with you.
There's no easy way to express this so I'll just say it, you have a tendency to be bullish and contrary.(at least you come across that way)
If this upsets you ,I am sorry but it is what it is.

I have no ill intent towards you and I pray to God that you will know that to be the truth that it is.

I just refuse to back down when challenged or attacked.
No resentment or ill feelings involved.
Just standing up.

I really hope you understand because if you don't then we have made no progress and for that I am saddened.

Praying God's best for you,
Dave
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terluvire

07-03-2007, 05:45 PM

Hi Oneway,

I don't think you have anything to apologize for. You've never said anything as outlandish as ungodly child or Franklin. Not that I have seen anyway.

ungodly child lies, she has not apologized for the awful, awful things she has said to me and other SCers. If she did, maybe I missed it and she would be kind enough to point it out to me.

Myself, I have apologized on a few occasions. My intent here was never to offend anyone personally, but I'm sure I have at times. For that I do apologize.

skooter942000

07-03-2007, 10:32 PM

- From Oneway,

Well, skooter, it's not in my hands anymore. I spoke my peace and if you're not willing to accept it, then that's on you, not on me. If you're not willing to forgive others then don't expect Christ to forgive you.

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-----------------------

?

- You apologized?

- i must have missed it.

- Can i ask where this apology resideshttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

And if you did apologize,
- (is it up to me to accept it)?

- Those words were to Smyrna (Not me).

BTW/ i am a forgiving soul,
when someone does me wrong.
- (And says they are Truly Sorry)

If you apologized, and meant it.

- That's fine by me.

- Where is it?

- Just curious http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

Don <*))><

skooter942000

07-03-2007, 10:54 PM

Oops , Sorry ONEWAY, (my bad)

- I missed this message

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RE:

Skooter, I want to apologize to you for any
personal offenses that I have hurled your way.

I am truly sorry and I seek your forgiveness.
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I accept , and offer my apology.
I missed reading this message.

- So i (TOO) am sorry. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

i am not a perfect soul.

- (well not all of the time)

- That's a JOKE

- And i also read that you apologized to Smyrnahttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I Hope this continues.

- Meaning the CHRIST-LIKE attitude towards others.

- The LOVE and FORGIVENESS of CHRIST ,(is healing).

Don <*))><

godchild

07-04-2007, 09:46 PM

david, I have no ill wishes toward you. You are mistaken if you think "I" ran "big" mitch off the board. He did that himself. I have no problem taking responsibility for things I am guilty of, in fact I want to know so that I can work on them, but if they are things said about me that are just because of some persons own personal issues they can't deal with (without placing the blame on someone else), then NO, I don't apologise. They own it, not me. Seeing you can say that about me concerning mitch's personal problems shows me you do not see those you consider your personal friends "realistically", but will protect them when you know they are in the wrong and have a habit of acting they way they do (in other areas)simply because they are connected to you. That's a real pity. You might think about it, though.

In all sincerity,
Vivian

david_munson

07-05-2007, 03:21 PM

Godchild,
I think that if you where to ask Mitch you would find that I answer him as honestly as I answer anyone "without regard to persons".(bluntly)

If you say that you did not harrass him to the point of boiling over you are mistaken.
I sat quietly by and watched as it took place.
However that is now past and we should let it remain that way and go forward with regard to the message of Christ.

I am more concerned about your need to come out and attack me because of some "percieved" self righteousness issue that you think I have a problem with.

You must realise by now that I definately do not see myself as more "righteous" than any other person.I don't know where you get the idea from.

I really do wonder if some things in the topics I have posted have hit a nerve with you on a more personal level.
Why else would you level that "self righteous" claim against me?
Just because I point out some behaviour that is not Christ like?

Someone said it's the Words that matter not the character inside but I disagree because the words without the Spirit are death to the listener.2Co*3:6

That's been my point all along.
Reflecting the character and nature of Christ through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit.

I hope that you now understand.

Dave

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smyrna

07-05-2007, 05:29 PM

Hey, why don't you CBbers take your differences back to CB. Why clutter the board here with your problems?!!!!

I'm sorry about your troubles in paradise, but this isn't the place to hash it out.

skooter942000

07-05-2007, 06:26 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

godchild

07-06-2007, 02:14 PM

david, You would like to think your words "touched a nerve" with me. You have read enough of my posts to know I defend others. You are trying to make my suggestions to you "about me". They weren't. Being a "goody two shoes" is what you want to be. I was merely telling you it is not for everyone; nor is it necessarily the right way. Honesty can be brutal at times. It can mold us to greater things if we are willing to go through that momentary pain; having our feelings injured (not destroyed). I'm sorry you can't see that. I will let you go on your merry way, my friend, and speak no more of it.

For the scers, what I first brought out to david was in defense of everyone who he has "stood on his soap-box against", by using scriptures (as abi and scooter also do) to "slap others on the wrist" as if they are speaking to children. Any mature adult can see it is an attempt by them to belittle others with their self-righteousness attitudes. A word to the wise "should have been sufficient". I will move on from this subject now.

abiyah

07-06-2007, 04:35 PM

godchild WOTE:
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QUOTE: " For the scers, what I first brought out to david was in defense of everyone who he has "stood on his soap-box against", by using scriptures (as abi and scooter also do) to "slap others on the wrist" as if they are speaking to children. " END QUOTE
*********************************************** **

II Timothy 3:16
" ALL Scripture IS given by Inspiration of God, and IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS; " 

"Be-little others" ... you say ? God's Word is quoted here to edify those in Christ The Lord, to build them up in the knowledge of God's Word, and not to tear down. You say... "self righteous attitudes" ? IS THIS how you perceive one that shares The Truth of God's Word ? Do you ever read your Bible Vivian ? How can any one discuss The Word of God WITHOUT bringing forth His Truth FROM His Word ?

Well Vivian... you have a whole lot of nerve to say which you have in this above stated quote... lets look how you speak to others here, you talk about a slap on the wrist, I think its more like a viloent slap in the face... 

godchild WROTE:
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QUOTE: " terD, BITE ME, BICH! (Spiritually speaking, of course. I'm speaking of you as some WILD MONGREL DOG, of which the people of biblical times had absolutely no use for. "

" Oh terD, scooter said to tell you you're safe. Those giants don't want MONGREL BICHES. "

" You must be on the payroll now too. You're twice as BICHY as you used to be. " END QUOTE
*********************************************** **

Should I go on Vivian...? And WITH NO APOLOGY STILL.... I suppose you think this is a far better way of handing things, I mean, well you know, rather than posting Scripture Vivian ?

Abiyah

david_munson

07-06-2007, 04:47 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

skooter942000

07-07-2007, 06:12 PM

- as abiyah has stated:

II Timothy 3:16
" ALL Scripture IS given by Inspiration of God,
and IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE,
for REPROOF, for CORRECTION,
for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS; " 

[Adding]

II Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.


The WORD is Healing for us ALL.
- (if we accept it, as it was intended)

The TRUTH cuts as a double edged sword.

- it stings does it not , (little Instigators).

- heal or bleed , (the choice is yours).

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

skooter942000

07-07-2007, 06:15 PM

smyrna

07-07-2007, 07:18 PM

Abiyah,

It still amazes me to read Godchild's vile, hateful, anything but Christian attacks against those she wishes to deprive of their right to practice the religion and choose the Church of their choice.

Of course, this is the type of personality that people like Stage Director and Jeff Franklin are attracted to.

While they accuse us SC students of being racists, and anti-semties, all without merit, it is all too clear that they sow the seeds of hate and intolerance, using lies, misrepresentations,spreading rumors, and all sorts of other deceptions.

They are their own worst enemies.

pete_repeat

07-08-2007, 08:30 AM

"It still amazes me to read Godchild's vile, hateful, anything but Christian attacks against those she wishes to deprive of their right to practice the religion and choose the Church of their choice. "

And can you kindly tell me the name of the church you are referring to here?

As well I would like you to tell me what religion you are referring to if it is not christianity? And if it is Christianity why are you insinuating in your post that it is different to that of Christianity

I repeat Pete Repeat

pete_repeat

07-08-2007, 09:00 AM

Clockman2

you wrote

" whining diatribe on PM, which has been disproven and debunked hundreds of times here. "

Do you realize that if it were fact then it would not have been attempted to be debunked and disproved a hundred times, the same goes for all of Arnold Murrays twisted theories.

As long as you believe Eve had sex with a serpent then you will spend the rest of your life trying to DISPROVE and DEBUNK Christianity and the Bible.

I repeat Pete Repeat

(Message edited by pete_repeat on July 08, 2007)

smyrna

07-08-2007, 10:42 AM

Sorry Frankie, as we noted, you are not qualifies to comment on SC teachings, since you don't even know what they are. And after all tis tiem, you would think you would.

smyrna

07-08-2007, 10:43 AM

Sorry Frankie, as we noted, you are not qualified to comment on SC teachings, since you don't even know what they are. And after all tis tiem, you would think you would.

smyrna

07-08-2007, 10:43 AM

Sorry Frankie, as we noted, you are not qualified to comment on SC teachings, since you don't even know what they are. And after all this time, you would think you would.

skooter942000

07-10-2007, 09:20 PM

- Is pete (re-peat),
...another handle for JEFF FRANKLIN?

- Why another handle?
- Why the deception?

Do the OWNERS keep kicking you out JF?
(AS they should /...same with GC)

Because of the personal Attacks.

Calling people RACIST when they are not ,
(IS PURE EVIL). (That's satans work)

- Falsely Accusing Others, based on LIES,
- is EVIL.

...(or do you have memory problems with passwords)?

Oh, it's a VIRUS. (i just read this)

clock-man? (for watchman)

oh , - i get it.

- What a funny guy (u_r).

i have heard molecules can get scrambled,
going through that transporter.
(....from time to time)

- You might want to get your Tech on that.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif