Bible Study Net

[Night_Light]

I am feeling like this place should be called Bible Study net instead of factnet. It seems that all that is taking place lately(with a few exceptions) is just controversy over biblical doctrines..

Not much going on in the area of cult awareness on the forum..

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Quite the opposite is true. If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.

[truth_child]

night light although i get in heated discussions and some i get down to the truth and tell them like it is and they dont like it but for the most part it is a good thread

[jargon631]

I am feeling like this place should be called Bible Study net instead of factnet. It seems that all that is taking place lately(with a few exceptions) is just controversy over biblical doctrines..

Not much going on in the area of cult awareness on the forum..


true enough...but all the differences seem to collapse into name calling...and some people i just enjoy talking to...:D...fd

[truth_child]

jargon sometimes i have been told to address people by name so they would know who i was talking too but wheni did then i got told off about name calling

[jargon631]

jargon sometimes i have been told to address people by name so they would know who i was talking too but wheni did then i got told off about name calling


actually, i was talking about derogatory name calling...fd

[truth_child]

well i try not to be too derogatory in my name caling

[matt hatter]

I am feeling like this place should be called Bible Study net instead of factnet. It seems that all that is taking place lately(with a few exceptions) is just controversy over biblical doctrines..
Not much going on in the area of cult awareness on the forum..

Night Light is correct. This place has been reduced to a few people arguing about whether pentecostals are God's children or the devil's. I wish that the moderators would tell these folks to go start their own fight club elsewhere. Don't you guys realize how many have left factnet?

I come here about every two weeks and it is like watching "GroundHog Day".

[jargon631]

I am feeling like this place should be called Bible Study net instead of factnet. It seems that all that is taking place lately(with a few exceptions) is just controversy over biblical doctrines..

Not much going on in the area of cult awareness on the forum..


not me R...i refuse to read that thing...after the first fifty times its all just gabble...fd

[jargon631]

Night Light is correct. This place has been reduced to a few people arguing about whether pentecostals are God's children or the devil's. I wish that the moderators would tell these folks to go start their own fight club elsewhere. Don't you guys realize how many have left factnet?

I come here about every two weeks and it is like watching "GroundHog Day".


i dont know man, are you sure the movie isnt "fatal attraction"...lol...fd

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

i dont know man, are you sure the movie isnt "fatal attraction"...lol...fd

Actually, it would be more like wishful thinking. The thread "Christian Centered Groups" has over seven-thousand-threads. While the entire thread "Miscellaneous Forums, Religious Leaders, General Discussions" barely has two-thousand-threads. Perhaps what someone really needs is an third-grade math lesson.

[Night_Light]

Night Light is correct. This place has been reduced to a few people arguing about whether pentecostals are God's children or the devil's. I wish that the moderators would tell these folks to go start their own fight club elsewhere. Don't you guys realize how many have left factnet?

I come here about every two weeks and it is like watching "GroundHog Day".Matt hatter

Mattie, I know what you mean-it never changes does it.I will check the board for new posts and it will say..turtle, turtle, turtle or Truth child, truth child, truth child or apostolic truth ministries, apostolic truth ministries on and on all the way down the board the same three people talking and replying....

oh well what are ya gonna do..Take Care and hope all is well with you and your family!

[truth_child]

night light... well goodby to you i write my beliefs as you do yours if you ave something to add say it

[Night_Light]

I know you, truth_child, are not hurting this forum. I know you are against cults. But turtle is not there to expose cults, tatm is confused as to what a cult is and just attacks beliefs tatm doesn't like.. I just want to see cult awareness furthered Help people see the truth, help them get out of cults and help prevent others from joining one. A lot of very informative posts have been made about dangerous mind control cults only to be buried by nonsense.

[truth_child]

good for i donot beleive in cults either/ cults are a group that controls and deceives people. we had a young boy who had been raised in our church. he was a beleiver. his moma nad step dad took him and left the church now this little boy doesnt go any where and even says he doesnt beleive in GOD any more because the preacher of the church where they went to told him not to ever come back to his church again. and the thing about it the mama and step dad just kept on going to that church or rather that cult

[jargon631]

I know you, truth_child, are not hurting this forum. I know you are against cults. But turtle is not there to expose cults, tatm is confused as to what a cult is and just attacks beliefs tatm doesn't like.. I just want to see cult awareness furthered Help people see the truth, help them get out of cults and help prevent others from joining one. A lot of very informative posts have been made about dangerous mind control cults only to be buried by nonsense.


and jargon, well theres something very, very wrong with that boy...lol...fd

[truth_child]

jargon... yes if a person is in a cult they should be helped get out of it and the only way to do that is to show them love and show them the bible proof of what is right that is what the wolrd is hungry for ( i think) the true WORD OF GOD

[turtle]

I know you, truth_child, are not hurting this forum. I know you are against cults. But turtle is not there to expose cults, tatm is confused as to what a cult is and just attacks beliefs tatm doesn't like.. I just want to see cult awareness furthered Help people see the truth, help them get out of cults and help prevent others from joining one. A lot of very informative posts have been made about dangerous mind control cults only to be buried by nonsense.

Night light you right and wrong with me. When i first came to fact net I cam to look for answer about a church I was in. Fact is I learned a lot about things I did not know about organizations that call themselve churches. The fact night light, is I know the only way to beat a lie is with truth even if it hurts. Would I like to expose not the way you want to expose them. See Arron in the post below makes a good point, the only way is through what is actually scripture taught in general mainstream churches.

Anyone is allowed to believe anything they want even about the Bible, but those coming out need to understand cults destroy beliefs and lives. They tear people apart and down. If you want to expost a cult the best way is it's doctrines. But one must learn what is what and who believes what. Are you out to destroy religion or out to help people make their own choices about what they believe?

[truth_child]

i know of a church and i do mean i know them it is not heresay that has destroyed many families the pastor goes after the women and gets them on his side and soon the family is apart and the children are confused. the pator to me just has a harem of women and i dont mean in a sexual way but in a fear standing way

[jargon631]

jargon... yes if a person is in a cult they should be helped get out of it and the only way to do that is to show them love and show them the bible proof of what is right that is what the wolrd is hungry for ( i think) the true WORD OF GOD


actually t.c...i was referring to myself when i said there was something very wrong with that boy...:D...fd

[Night_Light]

Yes, Jargon I do find you to be a funny guy..you are a libertarian and a deist who used the word cargada on another thread here..you sound like the male version of me..Very strange indeed!:confused:

[truth_child]

jargon and night light i pray for both of you

[turtle]

Night Light is correct. This place has been reduced to a few people arguing about whether pentecostals are God's children or the devil's. I wish that the moderators would tell these folks to go start their own fight club elsewhere. Don't you guys realize how many have left factnet?

I come here about every two weeks and it is like watching "GroundHog Day".

I agree, but whatever is really bothering a certain person there is a reason i am sure. Maybe they will open up in time. I realize it is ridiculous.

[turtle]

i know of a church and i do mean i know them it is not heresay that has destroyed many families the pastor goes after the women and gets them on his side and soon the family is apart and the children are confused. the pator to me just has a harem of women and i dont mean in a sexual way but in a fear standing way

I think control of any kind over someone is dangerous. Even in the protective since.

[jefffranklin]

The very good point that Night_Light is making is to let the readers who come to this forum to recieve concise, coherent information about real mind control cults and for them not to have to wade through pages and pages of nonsensical posts that have nothing to do about CULTS but rather just minor doctrinal differences between one denomination or another.

When this forum is musused in that way that is what it has become, biblestudy.net. There are other forums for that purpose. Just not this one. Yes, when it involves cults that proclaim they are Christian, then biblical scripture needs to be examined to show how it has been perverted by the cult to gain control over their victims. Please know the difference. Please keep on topic, which is cultic mind control.

The above says it clearly:

Religions, Religious Sub Sects and Religious or Spiritual Cults Any form of financial, sexual, physical, psychological, theological or indoctrinational abuse by any major religions, the sub-sects of the major religions or any spiritual or religious cult or organization. I.E. Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism, Alamo Foundation, Mormonism, Church of God, Satanism, Wiccan, Scientology, WOFF, Jane Whaley, Twelve Tribes, Shephards Chapel, NTCC, HOP . . . .

If you have no interest in furthering cult awareness then please stop wasting cyberspace here. Let factnet be about C U L T S.

Thank you. :)

[matt hatter]

The thread "Christian Centered Groups" has over seven-thousand-threads. While the entire thread "Miscellaneous Forums, Religious Leaders, General Discussions" barely has two-thousand-threads. Perhaps what someone really needs is an third-grade math lesson.

I have grown to expect this kind of sarcastic idiocy out of you TATM. For most people who have a life beyond posting and tediously perusing FACTNET, we click on "Today's Posts" to see what is current. It consists of 'nanny nanny boo boo' between you and Aaron.

When will you get it that we have heard your homilies ad nauseam? I am turning into a deist. I have prayed for God to melt y'alls keyboards. He obviously is not interested in my affairs.;)

[turtle]

The very good point that Night_Light is making is to let the readers who come to this forum to recieve concise, coherent information about real mind control cults and for them not to have to wade through pages and pages of nonsensical posts that have nothing to do about CULTS but rather just minor doctrinal differences between one denomination or another.

When this forum is musused in that way that is what it has become, biblestudy.net. There are other forums for that purpose. Just not this one. Yes, when it involves cults that proclaim they are Christian, then biblical scripture needs to be examined to show how it has been perverted by the cult to gain control over their victims. Please know the difference. Please keep on topic, which is cultic mind control.

The above says it clearly:

Religions, Religious Sub Sects and Religious or Spiritual Cults Any form of financial, sexual, physical, psychological, theological or indoctrinational abuse by any major religions, the sub-sects of the major religions or any spiritual or religious cult or organization. I.E. Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism, Alamo Foundation, Mormonism, Church of God, Satanism, Wiccan, Scientology, WOFF, Jane Whaley, Twelve Tribes, Shephards Chapel, NTCC, HOP . . . .

If you have no interest in furthering cult awareness then please stop wasting cyberspace here. Let factnet be about C U L T S.

Thank you. :)

Franklin,
Many people that will come here looking for answers of things they witness, I for one was one of them. It was because people willing discussed theology that help me work through some thing I witness and discover something also that not pretty. If it was not for factnet availability I never would of gotten through. Factnet might not realize it but it is a blessing if it will decide to be just that for people dealing with bad situations in churches

[turtle]

I have grown to expect this kind of sarcastic idiocy out of you TATM. For most people who have a life beyond posting and tediously perusing FACTNET, we click on "Today's Posts" to see what is current. It consists of 'nanny nanny boo boo' between you and Aaron.

When will you get it that we have heard your homilies ad nauseam? I am turning into a deist. I have prayed for God to melt y'alls keyboards. He obviously is not interested in my affairs.;)

you can start thread of your own matt hatter, why don't you, maybe they set up your own section for you.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

I have grown to expect this kind of sarcastic idiocy out of you TATM. For most people who have a life beyond posting and tediously perusing FACTNET, we click on "Today's Posts" to see what is current. It consists of 'nanny nanny boo boo' between you and Aaron.

When will you get it that we have heard your homilies ad nauseam? I am turning into a deist. I have prayed for God to melt y'alls keyboards. He obviously is not interested in my affairs.;)

So why not visit another cybernet cafe?

[matt hatter]

It thrills you to have an audience, eh, TATM? I guess after those 10 hits on your website, 5 of which are yours, you figured you had to find someone to read your one trick pony. So you just hadda unleash your poision on Factnet.

Read Jeff's post 408 ten times before you go to bed tonight as you are running your religious beads.:D

[truth_child]

lets all study the bible some one bringup a topic

[turtle]

lets all study the bible some one bringup a topic

I agree TC without knowledge of truth it leads to cultic and occultic activites within churches. People sometimes are unaware of hidden dangerous. It is important to know God's word yourself.

[Night_Light]

Knock It Off!!!! There is a nice little forum called beliefnet why don't you go there and discuss your biblical theories..You have taken over the board!

Why don't you choose a dangerous cult do some research and TRY to make a little headway in educating people instead of being silly-there is a time and place for silliness but sheesh not ALL the time!

[jargon631]

Yes, Jargon I do find you to be a funny guy..you are a libertarian and a deist who used the word cargada on another thread here..you sound like the male version of me..Very strange indeed!:confused:


sorry to get off topic R...i figured that u would pick up on the vocab...maybe we are electronic alter ego's...lol...fd

[Night_Light]

You never know:cool:

[dobman53]

A definition of cults pretty much portrays the main stay of all Christian organizations.

Only a few tell their followers to check them out through constant study in the Bible.

The vast majority of denominations select a mere hand full of verses as the bases upon which all their doctrines are built. It's as if their standing in the rip tides of past fallen waves, and they then declare here shall be the corner stone of my church!! Right here on the beach for which it stands. One church indivisable with justice for none.

All thoughs who then do attend find an avoidence of the truth at all costs as the mainstay of all their convictions. To then as if by the grace of God do they condem all others. There by thinking it is them who now hold the keys to life everlasting. Quite rightly these cults are being exposed for what they are. That being the doctrines of men alone seeking nothing more than self adulation. High and mighty they do sit in their lofty positions there by thinking all of us are in such utter out right jelousy of them.

I can only imagine the teeth nashing at the hearing of such statements, but the bitter truth is sometimes the best cure for what ailes you.

DOB!

[dobman53]

Now some might add well then Dob tell us of your convictions. I only say through self study will these answers soon be revealed. The fool who refuses to study shall never attain wisdom. As all knowlege does excape him from being so lazy. To those who refuse to except such a challenge their doomed to repeat their foolishness indefinately.

DOB!

[truth_child]

turtle i agree with you whay are they disagreeing with us by saying take this to a cult study thread. i thought we were discussing the bible?

[jargon631]

A definition of cults pretty much portrays the main stay of all Christian organizations.

Only a few tell their followers to check them out through constant study in the Bible.

The vast majority of denominations select a mere hand full of verses as the bases upon which all their doctrines are built. It's as if their standing in the rip tides of past fallen waves, and they then declare here shall be the corner stone of my church!! Right here on the beach for which it stands. One church indivisable with justice for none.

All thoughs who then do attend find an avoidence of the truth at all costs as the mainstay of all their convictions. To then as if by the grace of God do they condem all others. There by thinking it is them who now hold the keys to life everlasting. Quite rightly these cults are being exposed for what they are. That being the doctrines of men alone seeking nothing more than self adulation. High and mighty they do sit in their lofty positions there by thinking all of us are in such utter out right jelousy of them.

I can only imagine the teeth nashing at the hearing of such statements, but the bitter truth is sometimes the best cure for what ailes you.

DOB!


yes...extra-biblical and selectivally biblical...all very good cult identifiers...fd

[truth_child]

a cult is any group who rely on one scripture ( or two) and try to prove their point to the point that they go on extremes. then they go after the family and divide it and the they have the bunch pretty well brainwashed they add fear there

[Night_Light]

you did hit on a great point..they divide families.....

[turtle]

Knock It Off!!!! There is a nice little forum called beliefnet why don't you go there and discuss your biblical theories..You have taken over the board!

Why don't you choose a dangerous cult do some research and TRY to make a little headway in educating people instead of being silly-there is a time and place for silliness but sheesh not ALL the time!

Night light you would understand because you do not listen.

[Night_Light]

Turtle..have a nice day

[truth_child]

night light lets all pick a topic to study the bible ok

[jargon631]

night light lets all pick a topic to study the bible ok


i dont think that the majority wants to...they find it redundant and tedious...fd

[truth_child]

ok just a suggestion. i like to study the bible where we dont just argue

[bluewater2]

I can understand reading the bible for entertainments sake, but study it? I do not see the sense of "studying" it. You usually reserve studying for increasing one's wisdom, not looking for ways to stunt ones growth. Now, I understand that there are many that believe that the bible is the word of god. If you really believe that, is it really necessary to confirm that belief by studying it? What does it mean to "study" the bible? Do you really mean "discuss" and "confirm" your beliefs in it?

[truth_child]

blue i mean discuss and or study the bible and not for entertainment . i dont do it to deny or confirm my beleifs in the bible i know already what i beleive an as you know in your heart that GOD IS REAL you kust want admit it i am still praying for you

[bluewater2]

". . . . . . i beleive an as you know in your heart that GOD IS REAL you kust want admit it ."

I find that insulting.

[truth_child]

then admit it blue that you do know that GOD IS REAL

[bluewater2]

I believe that god is a real word. That is about as real as god is. NOT a real entity, simply a man made word invented to help people put a label on something that they did not understand.

I believe there is no god, jesus was not the son of god and he died on the cross like thousands of others. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND THAT HE DIED FOR ANYONES SINS.

Thank you for listening.

[jefffranklin]

Well the purpose of this thread as I understand it was not to be a tit for tat between the believers in God and the godless. It was to express a shared concern of many of us on how this forum has bogged down to a few wanting to study bible verses with no pertinence in how they relate to dangerous mind control cults.

aaron, so you understand, I don't mind reading a good discussion of bible verses but please let it have some purpose in doing so in how it relates to dangerous mind control cults and their perversion of those particular verses to control and abuse their victims in that cult. If not, readers who come to this site will not find the information they need ro know about cults that will be buried deep beneath pages of purposeless chatter that has nothing to do about cults.

bluewater, the same to you. Your atheist evangelism here on this forum has nothing to do with cult awareness. Oh, I have heard over and over you belief that Christianity is a cult and the majority here disagree with you. The reality is your continual proselytyzing your anti religion beliefs is counterproductive and is a disservice to cult awareness.

Please understand my concerns. Thank you. :)

[fatherofaking]

What did we ever do without you Franklin?
I think the "tit for tat" as you call it with the believers in God and the "godless" is very constructive.
Unlike yourself there are those that come here looking for something more than the same old bible that they have been fed already.
What they are looking for is honest answers.
Not to be taught more bible verses.

You think you understand what people like myself have gone through but you do not.
So while you put down those that are the "godless" you do just the opposite of that which you claim to be here for.
So while you share your expertise on dangerous mind control cults do not forget that this is not Biblestudy.net

[bluewater2]

"The reality is your continual proselytyzing your anti religion beliefs is counterproductive and is a disservice to cult awareness."

I respectfully disagree. Thank you for your concerns.

[jargon631]

I can understand reading the bible for entertainments sake, but study it? I do not see the sense of "studying" it. You usually reserve studying for increasing one's wisdom, not looking for ways to stunt ones growth. Now, I understand that there are many that believe that the bible is the word of god. If you really believe that, is it really necessary to confirm that belief by studying it? What does it mean to "study" the bible? Do you really mean "discuss" and "confirm" your beliefs in it?


i think it is for re-affirmation and the bolstering of ones beliefs...i dont read it either...fd

[bluewater2]

I have read both the Jewish Bible, the christian version of it, the old testament, and the new testament quite a bit and the more I read it the more I came to understand that it is quite a peice of literature, but no more god's words than is an encyclopedia. It seems to be a combination of parables, history, metaphors and fiction all rolled into one that is used as reference and inspiration for some, and dogmatic interpretation by others. What is sad is that, once some group claims it as their own it becomes less accessible to others just looking for good reading material.

[jargon631]

I have read both the Jewish Bible, the christian version of it, the old testament, and the new testament quite a bit and the more I read it the more I came to understand that it is quite a peice of literature, but no more god's words than is an encyclopedia. It seems to be a combination of parables, history, metaphors and fiction all rolled into one that is used as reference and inspiration for some, and dogmatic interpretation by others. What is sad is that, once some group claims it as their own it becomes less accessible to others just looking for good reading material.


yeah...i dont read it anymore because im not forced to...prior to my biblical emancipation though, i had to read it ad nauseum...fd

[truth_child]

jargon the bible never makes me sick it does cure, help , and delivers me

[jargon631]

jargon the bible never makes me sick it does cure, help , and delivers me


did u study it by choice or was it forced upon u...that makes all the difference...fd

[truth_child]

no its by choisce that i study THE WORD OF GOD

[jefffranklin]

jargon, there is much that you do understand about Christianity. MUCH! Your experience with SDA that you relate is just a drop in the bucket of what Christianity is. I had some SDA freinds help me out recently and I am very grateful to them for their kindness. Unless someone is a child being raised by their parents or in a prison no one is forced to do anything in this nation. Christians freely choose to worship God and study the bible. And we respect your choices. All that we ask is that you respect our choices.

[turtle]

did u study it by choice or was it forced upon u...that makes all the difference...fd

jargon, I hear your plight. I understand what you say. I was never forced to study, I did it willingly on my own, but many families do not give there kids that choice. Until you are a legal adult your family legally can teach you their values, you however do not have to agree with them. But to keep from rocking the boat so to speak one might seem to agree to keep peace. Is that a lie, yes, but in certain situations it is understandable. What I am trying to say jargon, if you ever decide to study it for yourself, not because someone tells you too, you might see something you never seen before when you read.

That why I took time to read it for myself to see what I actually believed. In other words having nothing to do with other influences, of course my background dedicated my influences somewhat. Prior knowledge.

Fact remain Jargon, you are free to believe what you wish. And do not let someone tell you otherwise. I for one would love to see you know Christ in a personal way because i am a Christian. I love to brow be it in, but I realize I can not. And with your own feelings on the subject I have much respect for them. God knows the depth of your heart.

[jargon631]

jargon, there is much that you do understand about Christianity. MUCH! Your experience with SDA that you relate is just a drop in the bucket of what Christianity is. I had some SDA freinds help me out recently and I am very grateful to them for their kindness. Unless someone is a child being raised by their parents or in a prison no one is forced to do anything in this nation. Christians freely choose to worship God and study the bible. And we respect your choices. All that we ask is that you respect our choices.


where have i not been respectful of others beliefs?...i make it a point not to mock others beliefs...and when u live on a compound u ARE forced to study the bible, it was NEVER a choice...u also have no choice about baptism, and u can pretty much forget about any dissent...ive said this before, but its like being in a chinese cultural revolution struggle session...and when your folks are part of the compound, its pretty much thumbs up for any corporal punishment they choose to deliver...boot camp was a cakewalk after sunnydale...but dont get me wrong, im not whining...thats just life and life is tough...once again, no great revelation there...fd

[jefffranklin]

Whenever somone quotes scripture to you, you act like the Damien character in "The Omen" when his parents try to take him to church.

http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/the-omen-going-to-church/1FnOwtu2lTE7VOU2O9Z6DWQdS53Z6n_H

If you are going to criticize Christianity expect that scripture might be part of our response.

We are here to discuss cults and dangerous mind control no matter what perversion of what belief it comes from.

[jargon631]

Whenever somone quotes scripture to you, you act like the Damien character in "The Omen" when his parents try to take him to church.

http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/the-omen-going-to-church/1FnOwtu2lTE7VOU2O9Z6DWQdS53Z6n_H

If you are going to criticize Christianity expect that scripture might be part of our response.

We are here to discuss cults and dangerous mind control no matter what perversion of what belief it comes from.


its because quoting scripture is not an arguement...btw,i dont start out criticizing, but if someone brings me a scrap, they can expect it right back...:D...fd

[turtle]

its because quoting scripture is not an arguement...btw,i dont start out criticizing, but if someone brings me a scrap, they can expect it right back...:D...fd

Scripture someone uses might be the answer to the problem. You know just because you don't agree, sometimes it is easier to allow God's word speak what one self can not. Just like some poster posting other info from other sources, but at some point must reach the heart level or it does no good it just paste with no ink.

[jargon631]

Scripture someone uses might be the answer to the problem. You know just because you don't agree, sometimes it is easier to allow God's word speak what one self can not. Just like some poster posting other info from other sources, but at some point must reach the heart level or it does no good it just paste with no ink.



all the scripture in the world id meaningless if there is no shared belief...if u present scripture to another believer, u dont have much to debate about....to a nonbeliever it is simply white noise...if the bible is not believed as an absolute truth, then there is no common ground, and therefor no place to hang an arguement

[turtle]

all the scripture in the world id meaningless if there is no shared belief...if u present scripture to another believer, u dont have much to debate about....to a nonbeliever it is simply white noise...if the bible is not believed as an absolute truth, then there is no common ground, and therefor no place to hang an arguement

Something I believe is true Jargon despite where you believe this verse or not, I believe it.

Hebrews 4:12 KJV
(12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

God's word speaks to the heart even today, why because it about life and all those idiotic problems in the world. People that are human having a relationship with God or even going against God and suffering circumstances.

[truth_child]

yes GODS WORD IS QUICK AND POWERFUL as a two edged sword. it cuts both ways , to convict and to cut us loose from the world
jargon. just get in GODS WORD AND BELEIVE HIM

[truth_child]

well jargon dont be that way let GOD (JESUS) correct it come to HIM HE will do the work

[jargon631]

Something I believe is true Jargon despite where you believe this verse or not, I believe it.

Hebrews 4:12 KJV
(12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

God's word speaks to the heart even today, why because it about life and all those idiotic problems in the world. People that are human having a relationship with God or even going against God and suffering circumstances.


dont u think that people are "suffering circumstances" because we live on a planet that is populated by other peoples circumstances...nothing mystical about that..

[turtle]

dont u think that people are "suffering circumstances" because we live on a planet that is populated by other peoples circumstances...nothing mystical about that..

Jargon who made the planet? Who made you? Who designed us to think? Who allows us to make choices? God does. That why I believe IN Jesus, sometimes our circumstance and situations makes no sense to us, but God sees the broader universal picture in each of our lives. It like putting people together, was it by chance, I think not.

Let me tell you an odd story. A man had almost decided to move to florida about the same time a women in another part of the world was concidering it. She by choice decided not to go and the man decided not to go. The women moved to that man's city not knowing that man. Fait or God's design. I vote God's design, either way these two people were bound to meet. I know hard to imagine, but I know both of these people and they had no reason to lie about it.

[truth_child]

GOD know all from the beginning what is going to happen

[jargon631]

GOD know all from the beginning what is going to happen


predestination?...doesnt that negate the need for salvation?...fd

[truth_child]

no not predestianation but simply GOD KNOW ALL HIS WORKS FROM BEGING TO THE END but HE still gives us free choice

[fatherofaking]

no not predestianation but simply GOD KNOW ALL HIS WORKS FROM BEGING TO THE END but HE still gives us free choice


The ideas of an all knowing God, free will and evil, are concepts that from a Christian perspective present many problems.

First of all with an all knowing God the only choice that we his creation would have would be an illusion.
What we see as free will is merely the movement of time.
To an all knowing God time is a creation, not a reality to be navigated through.
He would decide it's beginning, end and everything that happened in between.
That would include giving us the illusion that we somehow were free to do something that he did not play a roll in.

Evil is another strange thing to exist in the presence of an all knowing God.
From the Christian perspective God created evil.
There is no getting around it.
If God did not know what he was doing then he is not all knowing.
If he is all knowing then he deliberately allowed what is commonly called evil.

These are just some of the many teachings of Christianity that present these kinds of problems.
The concepts that are presented here are difficult ones to understand and the teachings of mainstream Christianity do little to help in that understanding.

It seems Aaron that you have a little resentment toward TATM and you are getting a little arrogant with the things you are saying again.
It is offensive when you do that.

You do not understand the things you say yet you insist they are true.
In many cases the things you say are true, the problem is that you are unable to explain how these Bible verses are to be applied to one's life.

You are dealing with many people here that have studied the Bible for years.
The verses you continue to post over and over again have been thoroughly taken apart, put back together and digested.

People that have been in cults generally want to understand what happened to them and where to go from here.
Telling people like that that they need to be saved usually isn't very constructive.
In my opinion, if you want to help people here then answer their questions, instead of insisting that they listen to you.
If they don't have any questions or you just don't like the things they post then just leave them alone.
It is difficult for the rest of us to have to navigate through your petty little arguments that do nothing to add to the discussions.
i think your experience is something that is very valuable to the discussions here and i would like to here more about them if you would just stop trying to save me.
Just so you don't think that i am picking on you Aaron i want you to know that i treat everyone like this.
I am what you might call a thorn in the side of humanity.

[truth_child]

father of faking i too have studied the bible for years and i dont just go by experaince