Godchild a thread just for you [Archive]

smyrna

04-05-2007, 03:57 AM

Here is a partial list of beliefs held IN COMMON by more than 90% of Christianity, that Godchild (Vivian Hadden)either by direct denial, sarcastic references to, refusals to practice, or engage and agree during discussions with unbelievers:

(Note: there are posts written by her either here at Factnet or at Cultbusters.com.au that offer proof that this list is accurate)

She denies outright or openly doubts the following:

1. That Satan and the Serpent in Genesis are the
same entity.

2. That the "Old Dragon" in Revelation also is the Serpent of Genesis

3. That Jesus exorcised demons and instructed His disciples to do the same in His Name.

4. That the Church also has power over Satan and his fallen angels.

5. That satan even exists.

6. The Virgin Birth

7. That the stars and other luminaries in the heavens were meant to be signs, as Genesis clearly states.

8. That Moses wrote the Torah

9. That Communion must be practiced to honor the memory of Jesus on earth, as HE commanded.

10. That public worship is mandatory as part of the body of Christ, (His Church)and that Jesus expected us to gather in His name, which is a carry over of the Law that mandated days of assembly in the Synagogues which Jesus observed Himself.
This also ties in with His command to do this gather together and partake of the bread and wine in His memory.

All these doubts and unbelief, yet she calls people "un-Christian" and "heretics." Go figure.

She denies these things and more. Her answer will probably be something (if she doesn't just ignore this and retreat back to CB)like a list of things she disagrees with the SC,that she calls disbelief or whatever. But the subject in this case is HER, not US.

Remember, I am collecting posts that show all of these things are true.

"... whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

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smyrna

04-05-2007, 04:21 AM

godchild
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Registered: 1-2005

Shepherd's Chapel Students thread (pt.1)

"I have watched the 'blips' of Murray's 'passover' meeting. He makes a big point of ONLY posing with the black people who are there. This is a ruse used by many such leaders as yours."

Taped interviews of Pastor Murray's Passover Meeting, which shows Godchild is lying once again:

(Note: Windows Media Player needed)

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/passover2006.asx

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

smyrna

04-05-2007, 04:38 AM

Shepherd's Chapel Students thread, (pt.2)

Godchild, Post # 4206
Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 3:18 am:

"smyrna deliberately lies when he says I questioned the virgin birth."-Godchild

godchild
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Username: godchild

Post Number: 4121
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 205.215.249.113

Posted on Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 3:11 pm:

Luke 2:41 (Speaking about Jesus) Now his PARENTS went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the Passover.
43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child, Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and His mother knew not of it.
46 And it came to pass, that after three days THEY found him in the temple,....
48 And when they saw Him, they were amazed, and His mother said unto Him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And He said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but His mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

******Godchild: "Joseph was called Jesus' father, even by Mary. I suppose this makes her a liar too?" ********
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"Who cares if am/sc has a church building? I think smyrna is lying about it."- Godchild

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

terluvire

04-05-2007, 05:50 AM

Great job Smyrna!!

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"Who cares if am/sc has a church building? I think smyrna is lying about it."- Godchild

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

godchild

04-05-2007, 04:19 PM

Let's see. I made my comment on March 30, 06. It only took one year for scers to answer to it. All this for just little ol me? I'm impressed. I'm really impressed that smearna was up all day yesterday and into the night 'for this'?

All this might get him some more people coming to his website (at least once). Isn't that what celebs do. The more shocking the better. He should rename himself "trashman cephas". Anyone willing to give up wife and children for this is a true convert from catholicism to am/sc. Boy, that am is really good at brainwashing, isn't he?

Thanks terlu. And here I thought passover was to remember God's faithfulness to His people. Instead, you're out there (hiding your faces behind signs with my name on them) at a 'so-called church'. I am soooo impressed. I'll bet you're the one in the middle. Right in the center of trashman's game. Is that cristen on the right? How proud the Lord must be of you. I just wish that place wasn't so far out in the boonies so maybe a t.v. or radio crew could be there and interview you to find out what 'THAT' was all about. am/sc could have gotten some 'free press', if you know what I mean.
Nonetheless, it's your time. Do with it what you will.

I think this time would be better spent (because I'm not important enough for all this trouble you all went to) to get back to exposing am/sc for the cult he/it is:

christianparty.net/JudahisGermany.ra

In a shocking admission, Murray wickedly explains to the "elect" that the tribe of Judah is the Germanic genus. When asked about Jew York, an unspeakable explanation is given that there are not 9 million Germans in Jew York, only 9 million Kenites.
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Sure hope you got some rest from your 'good' works. I sure did after spending a quiet eve sitting on the back deck visiting and talking about how nice it will be that my family members and I found a nice little community church right down the road to worship on Easter Sunday. I can't wait to sing those good old gospel songs. Praise the Lord!

smyrna

04-05-2007, 04:41 PM

Godchild's response to our exposure of her lies is typical.

She writes:"Let's see. I made my comment on March 30, 06. It only took one year for scers to answer to it.'

Comment? She writes as if we were addressing only one comment about one subject!

There are how many lies documented here SO FAR?

And once again she hurls yet another false accusation, but that's ok, since I can make another post out of it showing her hypocrisy. Stay tuned.

She says: "Anyone willing to give up wife and children for this is a true convert from catholicism to am/sc.'

Another made up accusation. I don't have any children, I have a step daughter that I've already mentioned here at FacNet that I KNOW Godchild read!

I'm sure I'll come across my post as I keep running through the threads finding more of her lies and false accusations.

My wife was in the same room with me all night last night! Gdochild can't provide ONE shred of evidnce to support her accusation, as usual.

But we all know why she has no problem lying. She follows the practices of so many other at Cultbusters. here is the key to their madness, why they think it is OK lie:

Mrs Turkey Lurkey
Jr. Member

Re: THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!
« Reply #280 on: Yesterday at 09:33:13 PM »

Hi Henny, Chick, Randy have any of you seen Mr Lurkey. He seems to keep going missing. Bet he is at that darn Foxy's place again.. I can not see to keep him away from there.
He came home last night and said he was not there but I saw drool on his head so I know he was lying. A trick I am sure he learned from Foxy! He never would have dared lie before,

but ****Foxy says it's ok to lie to pagans****.. Which all are if they are not part of the Lair, lying from the Lair, sounds like a book.

I just do not know how to keep him from Foxy.. he thinks that fox really is talking to God. Even though he can see with his own eyes that the sky is still up there and clearly not falling he believes that darn old Fox.

(By the way, "Foxy Loxy" is Franklin in this game)

Smyrna: The idea that it is okay to lie TO ANYBODY, and the fact they see us a non-Christians ("pagans")gives us the answer as to why they deliberately lie to us and about us.

They know they lie, we have shown them, they ignore the evidence, and now we know why: they think it is not a sin to lie to us.

terluvire

04-05-2007, 04:49 PM

Amazing godchild, not one comment about you being wrong in calling us liars about SC having a church building! Nothing about you making a statement without absolutely no proof. Not one apology. Is that the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

And...why are you surprised it took us so long to get pics of the church building? You know we don't live near the chapel. All of us have to fly out there..lol

Sorry to disappoint you godchild, but I'm not in the pics. I wasn't able to go this year. Those pictures are from my fellow sister whom were able to go, and I don't blame them one bit for not showing their faces in the pics. Those picutres were taken to be posted on the internet. The internet is not the safest place. There are crazies out there. Plus, some people are more private and I see nothing wrong with that.

If you think it's safe to post you picture on the internet, then post us a picture of you.

godchild said
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Sure hope you got some rest from your 'good' works.

Christ is my rest. But thank you so much for your concern.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

ps. next time double check your accusations so that they don't come back to bite you. Plus, that is not goodly fruit. Where did Christ ever say to make accusations without evidence? Oh, that's right, that's satan's MO.

Ter

smyrna

04-05-2007, 06:33 PM

Ter, I think Godchild is done with this thread.

She is trying desperately to bury it by posting two copies of her stupid attempt at payback:

"RAVE REVIEWS FOR AM/SC FROM NEO-NAZI FORUM"

The problem is, the quotes she posted, even though she's tried to use them before, show that SHE IS LYING and has been lying because they DISAGREE with so many of her accusations!

The poster disagreed that Murray was overly hateful and racist!

The poster also said that members of ***all races belong to the SC congregation!*****

SHE'S FLIPPING OUT AGAIN, AND WE HAVE GOT TO LOVE THAT!

What a way to spend her lunch break, (if she really is working)or "waiting for a client".

Oh man,this is so funny, I gotta take a break!

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

04-05-2007, 06:44 PM

Oh my goodness, terlu. You've put YOUR picture on the net, right where your avatar goes at the fig tree. Aren't YOU afraid of all the crazies out there? I guess not, so why make such a big deal of it? Typical terlu. Following along and doing the bidding of your fellows, instead of standing up by yourself for whatever you believe in.

Come on! You kids must be very lonely. You have no friends, who could have easily sent 'photos' of the sc building? I've seen the list of names of sc (Arkansas)students at the season. So sad. I mean, you were all so concerned about proving me wrong, you couldn't contact am/sc and ASK for a photo? Is am that scared that his hate for others may have rubbed off on some 'crazies' out there? (Look back over the posts. It was weirdo smearna who kept going on and on about my statement saying I don't believe am/sc has a building, not me.)

No, I don't put my photos on the internet. Some sicko like smyrna would spend his time (instead of with his family; especially the "stepdaughter" he doesn't consider his "child", tracking me down somemore, hoping eventually to meet me or my family. I guess he figures since his "stepdaughter" is not his "child" he doesn't need to spend quality time with her and her Mom. What a freaking insensitive person. It's all about "peter cephas" isn't it, and his ridiculous defense of am, who probably doesn't know dumb smearna exists.

He CLAIMS to have been to sc in the building that holds "20" people. You all have talked so many times about the fact that am/sc had to "RENT" a building for passover. Did he throw up this metal building in this last year? I'm NOT impressed. He should take some of your money and provide you all with a little classier place, but then you're all happy to provide him with his private jet so he can roam around looking at rocks. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif That's your problem, not mine. Do you think he even prays for you with your medical problems, terlu? I doubt it. You're just another fool who throws your money at him, and for what? Edification? Who's edifying who? Think about it! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

Was I right? Is that abi on the right? Cute! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

skooter942000

04-05-2007, 06:59 PM

- another LIE (From GC)

- Stopped short (CUT-OFF)

- But will is stop the (Serpents HISS)?

Hmmmmmmmm

 - Where is the Apology?

for being "Um" - wrong , yet again).

terluvire

04-05-2007, 11:14 PM

godchild, you are tooooooo funny!!! lol I have one picture at the figtree..lol And, I posted that pic way before I ever came here..lol

But I wasn't talking about me. If other people don't want their picture posted, that is fine. If it bothers you so much then post a pic of yourself to show us you're ok with it.

No matter how you try to spin this, we proved you wrong..lol There is an actual church.

To be honest, this has got to be the most ridiculous topic to argue about with you. It's too easy to prove there is an actual church. Just watch it on tv and you will see it.

Give it up godchild!!! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif You've been proven wrong.

terluvire

04-05-2007, 11:46 PM

Franklin's post over at CB concerning SC's church:

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I don't know what that proves. The so called "Church" of Scientology has a "church" building but it's followers are all over the world without Scientology "churches". And nobody except the scientologists argue that it is not a cult.

Same with the SCers. Having a building does not make them any less of a cult.

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Gee, are all of them that dense??? This whole thread was to prove that godchild LIED!!

For all of you detractors from CB, godchild said there was no church. We proved her wrong, she flat out lied!

Their hypocrisy is amazing..lol

Oh well, what we can we expect. Certainly not honesty or fairness.

Ter

terluvire

04-05-2007, 11:48 PM

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

smyrna

04-06-2007, 01:41 AM

Ter wrote:

"Gee, are all of them that dense??? This whole thread was to prove that godchild LIED!!'

Oh yeah, dense and more. Like they have always done, they deliberately and conveniently ignore anything that embarasses them and/or proves something against them.

Let us not forget, that they are involved in their own prejudice, a prejudice that is just as vile, damaging, and evil as racism and anti-semitism. So they are not any different than
those who are truly racist and anti-semitic.

They follow the same principle.

That principle is they see as inferior beings, those who are not Christian. Anyone who is not a Christian is a pagan, destined to suffer in hell forever, no matter how righteous their works were here on earth.

Their theological rigidity, the same rigidity that Jesus deplored and the Pharisees practiced, is what the detractors profess among themselves, and live their lives by.

To them, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. aren't even worth talking about. They are "pagans", and a lower class of humanity to the detractors.

The problem is, they couldn't convert a sofa bed to a bed, much less a person who is not a Christian to Christianity.And that is because they cannot make any sense of the Bible.

And us SC folks, they see us also as "pagans" and they judge us instead of letting God judge us, and claim we are no better than Buddhists, Hindus, etc. That attitude is not reserved just for the Chapel, but for anyone they disagree with.

I guess you can say, they are 'Professional Protestants' a fancy term for Professional Whiners.

So they have no problem lying, and they don't pay any attention to the fact we know or anyone else knows that they are lying to us. Because it is ok for them to lie.

Just as long as they are lying to those who, in their judgment, not anyone else's, that those they are lying to are "pagans."

arron

04-06-2007, 04:34 PM

why did the women or men whichever it is HIDE their faces when they had to pictures of shepherds chapel? was it because they were either the husbands or wifes of arnold and his sons or perhaps his daughters>

godchild

04-06-2007, 04:57 PM

Another point to clear up from the numerous stupid lies smearna has tried to create.

Cultbusters has been hacked more than once, by nuts like smearna. I was one of the very first members. Franklin became a member long after I did. The owner of the site lost a great deal of files because of 'ne'er do wells' like smearna, including many posts and records of registering dates. JUST SO YOU KNOW! smearna could find out the truth before opening his lying mouth by simply emailing admin and asking, if its that important to him.

smearna has involved other scer's in his foolishness, and now it can be seen on the www. The photos just show how immature they are; claiming to be going to worship together the most important celebration in the Christian faith, but in reality only wanting to prove a point that is so unimportant to anyone its ludicrous, and really proves nothing. Let them deny sc rented a building (they said so here) because his 'chapel' couldn't hold all the people they claim come to their 'passover meeting'. If that is what their meeting is about, it won't impress upon anyone the need to share the gospel, which is what our Lord asked us to do, in love. They do these things to mock, nothing else.

This is a day that the Lord has made. When I got up at sunrise this morning, it was so beautiful outside, and 60 degrees. I began to sing that old gospel song "The Old Rugged Cross". Do catholics sing that song, I wonder? Maybe smearna's so-called Christian upbringing didn't include the music that fills our souls on momentous occasions the Lord provides us, if we are open to His grace.
I for one cannot sing or hear that song without tears filling my eyes and my heart swelling, knowing Jesus' sacrifice is the evidence of God's love for me, a sinner. Why he loves me, I am unsure. I only know I can't hold a grudge against my children. But I am eternally grateful to Him. He has enough love for each and every miserable one of us.

smyrna

04-06-2007, 05:08 PM

Why hide their faces? Does it even matter who is holding the signs up?

Arron, why do you even come here with that stupid nonsense?

The POINT Arron, is that your buddy Godchild falsely accused us of lying, after her own false accusation about the Chapel not having its own Church building was refuted.

Refuted means we told her she was wrong, but she still accused us of lying.

Even after we told her anyone can turn on their TV and see during the SC program photos of the Church, she STILL accused, like satan does every day.

Are you still with me Arron, or are you in dreamland?

Now, you are another one who is WILLINGLY blind, and refuse to admit that if you look above this post, you will see Godchild's LIES DOCUMENTED.

That means, Arron, that her lies are PROVEN to be lies.

So, unless you still want to act like an IDIOT, then you look above this post, LOOK at her lies, and then tell us how important it is to be questioning who is holding up signs, in front of the CHURCH that Godchild repeatedly claimed did not exist.

Time to get your red clown nose on, Arron, Why not, everything about you points to the fact you are just a hanger on, a clown like the rodeo clowns, dodging Bulls and "BS" as you are in that BullSh**T ring called Cultbusters most of the time.

"Many bulls have compassed me, strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round" -Psalm 22

oneway

04-06-2007, 05:42 PM

"The POINT Arron, is that your buddy Godchild falsely accused us of lying, after her own false
accusation about the Chapel not having its own Church building was refuted."

If this was that important, I could have saved you all a trip and expense. I have a capture card installed in my computer. I could have made a simple capture of the SC building from the many broadcasts that I have access to and uploaded those images on the web. It wouldn't have taken a year to do it either. The extents some people will go to is something else. Now that I think of it, I might start capturing AMs greatest moments and start uploading the video clips on the web. It sounds like fun! I'm all excited just at the thought!

smyrna

04-06-2007, 05:54 PM

I hope you do, Oneway. Because apparently all the SC and Arnold Murray videos that were once on Youtube have been removed. Take that as a clue.

Please let us know ...oh forget it, we can track it all down easily.

(Message edited by smyrna on April 06, 2007)

smyrna

04-06-2007, 06:06 PM

Godchild wrote:

'This is a day that the Lord has made. When I got up at sunrise this morning, it was so beautiful outside, and 60 degrees."

By the way, great explanation about which idiot came to CB first. Now let's see if you can prove the other lies wrong, because for every one that I might be wrong about, I'll produce one that cannot be proven wrong.

And why would I even bother to do this?

Because YOU, Godchild, along with your CB buddies,
have chosen to lie, misrepresent, and engage in all kind of shenanigans,instead of just telling people why you don't agree with what is taught at the SC and leave it at that.

I'm very happy of course that you all chose that path, since after so many have come through here and commented on the very fact you people can't be trusted, few would even listen to you.

You would be very foolish to think that I'm finished finding and proving the lies you have spewed all over these threads.

With almost 50000 posts, you would not believe all the garbage I am finding.

Now really, to be fair I would think you would want to do that with my posts, and you are certainly welcome to try.

rachelengland

04-06-2007, 06:59 PM

NOW ITS 50,000 POSTS!!! Man do you exaggerate-Smyrna take a break from here-hug a tree, kiss a girl, find some balance kiddo-your making it look as though you have lost control!

godchild

04-06-2007, 07:07 PM

I'm beginning to think smearna is so bored and has such an empty life, he's actually jealous that someone else has posted more than he has. I mean, he's obsessed with the weirdest things. Like how many posts I have. Why I have time to post if I am employed. Spending a whole year trying to get one scer to get a photo of a sc building. Doing a websearch on me to try and find out info on my family members and me, then posting this info on this site. Saying for months and months that he's going to "get back" at us by placing all kinds of nasty stuff about us at his website, which still hasn't been added to, lololol!! Re-registering at two websites he's been banned from (carm and season). Trying to reregister at another one but getting caught (cultbusters).

Is this a man or a boy? Is he on drugs? Does he need drugs? Says he has a family but ALL his time is spent here, even when he claims he's out on a boat being a "chef" (lol) for an oil company. Has a step-daughter who he doesn't consider his child. Who cares why he can't have his own biological children. I wonder, what "race" is she. Could that be why she's not called 'his'.

He'll come back and say he wasn't banned from the season. If that's true, why did he have to register TWICE? The first time was in 2003.
(August 8th 2003
06:01:54 PM
What is your name?
Peter Cephas

Where are you from?
Louisiana

Any Comment?
I know many come here to fellowship with other Shepherd's Chapel students. I'd like to share this URL: www.scripturetruth.homestead.com (http://www.scripturetruth.homestead.com) for it is a funny and informative(?) site dedicated to refuting the lies and tactics of anti-SC websites.)-end

Come on. Get a life, get a grip. If you are seriously ill, I have family members that can come down and pray with you (if you like). Does am pray for smearna? Gee, I hope abi and whoever else went to passover asks him to; that is, if he's not too busy schmoosing for the camera with a black or asian person, for credibility (probably someone he paid $20 to pose with him, I see the gross income for his area isn't that great). lololol

Ladies at passover. Please don't post pix of you with a black or asian there. Save your money. I know how expensive it was for you all to be able to go. Don't waste your money. WE DON'T CARE!!!

Happy Easter, everyone! Please remember smearna in your prayers.

abi, Is that you on the right? lololol
Did you convince kenny he really would be offending the fig tree if he leaves his 'kenny avatar from SouthPark fame'. Have you lost sleep over it? Geez, lady. Do you know what 'legalism' is. I think you're the queen of it; at least for others. Please come on down from your ivory tower. Join the rest of the human race, lololol!

I get it! smearna is a 'peter pan'. He ought to read the book about "the boy who never wanted to grow up". He shouldn't feel too bad about it. There are other boys out there just like him. I wonder if his mom nursed him....or not. That could be part of the problem, you know. Let's all pray for #2peter pan. "Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do."

godchild

04-06-2007, 07:09 PM

smyrna

04-06-2007, 07:26 PM

Godchild must be running out of material. Copying and pasting old stuff, posting the same comments on different threads.

I'm going to Church, something Godchild now claims and pretends she does.

The least she could do is go back out in her yard and sing hymns to herself.

Have a prayerful and conciliatory Good Friday,

Peter Pan

oneway

04-06-2007, 07:36 PM

"I hope you do, Oneway. Because apparently all the SC and Arnold Murray videos that were
once on Youtube have been removed. Take that as a clue."

Since I have no clue what was or wasn't on Youtube, I can't take that as a clue.
But one clue that I present from my post is, notice I said 'AMs greatest moments'. I don't know of any. Take that as a clue. We gotta' keep things in context. It's all about context.

skooter942000

04-06-2007, 07:52 PM

Love the PICS - (TER)http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

- i forgot to share this yesterday.

<_*))><

skooter942000

04-06-2007, 08:07 PM

The Intelligence of the CB-ers is laughable.

Arrons message takes the cake.

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arron
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Username: arron

Post Number: 3247
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.39.112
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 11:34 am:

why did the women or men whichever it is HIDE their faces when they had to pictures of shepherds chapel? was it because they were either the husbands or wifes of arnold and his sons or perhaps his daughters>

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PROVE THIS ARRON
- Your FALSE ACCUSATION

These people are WICKED LIARS.
-And their BEDS are MADE.

Amazing, the PRAYERS that were shared
for your help...(remember)?

http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/28240.html?1175622226

- And this is what you do - (in kind).

The only CHARACTER you assassinate,
- (is your own).

- Enjoy your fruits ,
- (u have earned them)

angie0401

04-07-2007, 01:16 AM

rachelengland
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Username: rachelengland

Post Number: 2772
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 216.109.192.236
Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 1:59 pm:

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NOW ITS 50,000 POSTS!!! Man do you exaggerate-Smyrna take a break from here-hug a tree, kiss a girl, find some balance kiddo-your making it look as though you have lost control!

Speaking of "losing control" ...
Rachel - I found a web site that you might need, you know the next time you have "those" feelings:

www.43things.com/things/view/31735 (http://www.43things.com/things/view/31735)

franklin

04-07-2007, 02:10 AM

Typical low blow from you mangie angie.

There's no depth of viciousness that you won't stoop to just to justify the darkness in your soul.

Here's required reading for you and your fellow closet Nazis..........

http://www.haworthpress.com/store/product.asp?sku=5933

stage_director

04-07-2007, 03:13 AM

LOL Oh man, I just read this thread. Never have I seen the existance of a building so defended! Kind of like the Three Stooges in some WWII movie short where they're giving instruction to ally bombers from the ship while looking through the periscope, but can't decide whether the target even exists, or which building the enemy is housed in... and of course right on cue some enemy soldier holds up a sign for a photo that reads HI MOM ... in Japanese ... :-D

Hope you all laugh at this thread later on as much as I have!

rachelengland

04-07-2007, 03:49 AM

Thank you angie- that was much appreciated and I know it came from the Love of Christ you have in your heart.

Have a Blessed Easter!

smyrna

04-07-2007, 04:05 AM

Stage Director,

Too bad you have to start out this way. I was cheering you on until you got soft, after you kicked Franklin's posterior for a few days over at CB.

I don't know, maybe there is some FactNet computer glitch or something, that has faded out all the other lies I documented here that Godchild has posted all over these boards.

I suggest that you start with a closer look at this thread, it ain't just about a building.

I also suggest that you grab a beverage, and start pouring over ALL the threads here, and see what you are really getting into with those CB people. They are a cult unto themselves.

But I am fair, and I'm not going to group you up with them, I'm just asking that you really check this stuff out. I'm not talking about the theology, because it's obvious we will always have disagreements in that regard.

I'm pointing out the lies, misrepresentations,vile rumors, and other tactics they've been caught trying to pull.

stage_director

04-07-2007, 05:28 AM

Smyrna, I wasn't trying to ridicule anybody but you have to admit all this arguing over the existence of a building's got a funny side to it, or at least to me. If I'm not mistaken, Godchild questioned it first and even he seems amused by the amount of response, and how vehement it is. On the flip side, I also don't get how a building proves there's a congregation.

You all seem so ferocious about defending your opposing positions that somebody needs to lighten it up ... for real. I see the humor in almost all situations ... and this is no different.

One last thing ... what you took as me "kicking someone's posterior" was really just me not knowing when to shut up. Shhhhhhh ... ;-)

godchild

04-07-2007, 06:42 AM

It must have been angie hiding in the photo; the fat one on the right. Otherwise she'd have been saying, "godchild is wrong. It wasn't abi on the right, ha-ha. It was me." You know, you are one cold bich!

smyrna

04-07-2007, 06:56 AM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

"Unless we enjoy that sick kind of humor, ***we can ignore him from now on."***-Godchild

AND

"Who cares if am/sc has a church building? I think smyrna is lying about it."- Godchild

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

Funny, in a sick kind of way, huh, Godchild and Rachel? Stick around for more, I know you will!

smyrna

04-07-2007, 05:34 PM

"arron, We can ignore smearna and his silly tactics. I wonder if he thinks anyone is listening to him."

Apparently YOU are Godchild, since most of your posts at CB yesterday were about me and what I said!

I guess I could copy and paste all the posts she wrote yesterday talking about me, the guy she claims she is ignoring.

Just go to the SC thread, she claims all the visitors there are us anyway. However, that kind of goes against their claims about page views where they say they are getting all these new people coming through there! Ha! 200 members, vs 12 million homes SC reaches!

You CBers have your work cut out for you!
Maybe you can ask God for your own TV show!

She talks about trivia, complains that's all we ever bring up. However, here is what she said about me yesterday:

"Two more lies in one thread by peter pan, or peter cephas, or whatever new name he lies about using now. If he didn't lie about his new name at the season, he lied when he said he registered again under 'smyrnafn'.

(that's my handle at CARM IDIOT!)

Saying smyrna was already taken isn't the same name. It still doesn't explain why, if he was registered in 2003, why he would have to re-register,(how about I FORGOT,) unless (which he admits to having tried here and done at other forums) he was banned and HAD to use another name. Either way, he's just proved he not just a liar, but a poor one. That makes him a worse failure than before, which was pretty darned bad."

If THAT isn't trivial,I don't know what is!

She's really just P'd off I am on The Season, and also back on CARM. She acts like I denied getting booted off of Carm! I did, but I'm BACK! Ha!

She can rant and rave all she wants about me and The Season, but until she can actually prove I got booted off, she hasn't a clue other than her own imagination, which we see is pretty fertile, as in FERTILIZER
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

HERE IS A GREAT ONE!

"His second lie was saying I posted there to him after saying here I wasn't going to respond to him any longer."

Godchild wrote:

"Unless we enjoy that sick kind of humor, ***we can ignore him from now on."***

Doesn't she know what she is even saying? She said

FROM NOW ON!

What does that mean? Does it matter what time she said it?

I guess we have to order a copy of Godchild's dictionary, because all these new definitions for words and phrases is too much to remember!

Godchild:
"He's so stupid, he quoted the time in oz that is posted here."

Hey Godchild, what time is it in OZ now?

Central OZ Time?

You are in OZ alright!

While you're there,ask the Wizard to give you Brains, Courage, and Heart!
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Who cares if am/sc has a church building? I think smyrna is lying about it."- Godchild

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

Funny, in a sick kind of way, huh, Godchild and Rachel? Stick around for more, I know you will!

godchild

04-07-2007, 07:00 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifWhy are these people hiding their faces? Fear of being laughed at face to face, christen and angie?
No courage? Are you feeling a little foolish now? You should, my dears. Children will play; and fools will watch.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

skooter942000

04-07-2007, 07:45 PM

Such words from GC

- Are they CHRIST-LIKE?

- By their FRUITS, we shall know them.(HISS HISS)

smyrna

04-09-2007, 12:01 PM

I guess this should go under the Godchild's lies category, so here it is:

On Cultbusters, she is copying and pasting stuff about British Israelism. British Israelism is a study, not a doctrine.

But Godchild treats it as a doctrine, and so if there are any conflicting opinions in that study,(which can be found in any study of any subject) she can say it is a "false teaching" so she can use it to claim the SC is teaching false doctrines.

This is just another example of the straw grabbing for the sake of spewing hatred that the SC detractors are noted for.
------------------------------------------

Who cares if am/sc has a church building? I think smyrna is lying about it."- Godchild

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

Funny, in a sick kind of way, huh, Godchild and Rachel? Stick around for more, I know you will!

"Unless we enjoy that sick kind of humor, ***we can ignore him (Smyrna) from now on."***-Godchild

abiyah

04-09-2007, 06:59 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifGood Morning There to ALL my brothers and sisters who are IN Jesus Christ The Lord with ALL their heart;

Peace unto you, and I hope that all is real well with each one of you.

Vivian, Vivian, Vivian.... I just sit here and shake my head while reading down through your responses with regard to this thread and the pictures therein. So then... I speak to you in kindness. My goodness Ms. Hadden, is it so hard for you to do right ? Repentace is a wonderful Blessing FROM God, for HE forgives us of our unrighteousness, through His Son Jesus Christ. To just simply admit your error, apologize in sincerity, and move on from it. How much easier would that be for you ? Is it not far, far better to do that which is right than to do that which is wrong ? For we all err at times, and no one here is better than the other.

Now, you Mam seem to have missed the whole point to why we put these pictures forth. And if you look real close, you'll see in two of the three pictures there is a smiling face " ) in one, and in the other a red heart... which were drawn/illustrated there for you, so that you would know that we did this out of love, for even our God 'corrects' those that He Loves.. and His servants do the same. These pictures were not brought forth out of spite, anger, or hate... but we did this to correct you in your err with regard to your numerous and negative comments here in regard to The Shepherd's Chapel not having an actual building... when the truth of the matter is they have two. These pictures were also done to show the worth or value of 'your' speech. And these pictures seemed to be a nice way to show you Vivian the fact that there is a building. And well.. Whether you were misunderstand about this fact or whether you out right lied about The Shepherd's Chapel not having a buidling, I know not for certain... But The LORD knows without a doubt, for He IS The Heart Knower. Okay.. so you have been shown the building there... SO WHAT ? The Shepherd's Chapel actually has two buildings, you see though... the bottom line here Ms. Hadden is this.... God our Father does not dwell in 'buildings' made by man's hands [Acts 7:48]... but rather He dwells in the hearts of those that love and serve Him, dwelling in the hearts of those that keep His Commandments. These two buildings, and the one bulding you see in these pictures is simply where God's children, yea.. those that love and serve Him gather in The Name of His Son our Lord & Saviour Christ Jesus... to worship Him, and to LEARN HIS WORD, which is The Word of Truth, The Word of God, and Christ is The Living Word of God. So here is my point, it does not really matter whether The Shepherd's Chapel has one or one hundred buildings. Yet The LORD God dwells in the hearts and minds of those that come to these Shepherd's Chapel buildings, those that love Him and desire to serve Him, for it is in these buildings that The Word of God is taught and His children are fed Truth FROM His Word and by His Word. And in in my own opinion.. that is all that really matters, God's Word of Truth is taught here in these buildings, The Shepherd's Chapel.

And as far as "hiding" behind the pictures... I think not, that is simply your own conclusion. Or should I say accusation ? What we look like does not matter. For our Heavenly Father does not looketh on the outward appearance.... and neither should you Ms. Hadden, for The LORD our God looketh on our hearts [I Samuel 16:7].

stage_director

04-09-2007, 09:42 PM

Why does someone have to be a liar even if they misquote us or don't get the facts perfectly straight? Can't they just be mistaken? Or not understand us? Or even more probable ... that our own way of communicating is at least partially at flaw so that we make it too easy for someone else to assume more than we mean?

Honestly ... I don't think you all would be able to agree on a point you agree on. lol Is courtesy here totally dead?

smyrna

04-09-2007, 10:02 PM

S_D
"Why does someone have to be a liar even if they misquote us or don't get the facts perfectly straight? Can't they just be mistaken? Or not understand us? Or even more probable ... that our own way of communicating is at least partially at flaw so that we make it too easy for someone else to assume more than we mean?"

Now why don't you post that on CB abd see where that gets you?

I certainly agree with your points. However, as you can see from this very thread, it is painfully obvious that Godchild lies and makes things up.

In addition, unless you want to believe these people are total idiots, I think there is plenty of evidence to show they deliberately ignore things so they can keep on spreading the same accusations.

If you don't think there is enough evidence for this to be true, then just stick around. I'm not finished, and if you want, you can go back and read the archives. Pay close attention to the accusations we challenged and demanded proof for, that they never came up with.

stage_director

04-09-2007, 10:08 PM

QUOTE
Now why don't you post that on CB abd see where that gets you?
END QUOTE

LOL Are you sure you're reading that board? ;-)

smyrna

04-09-2007, 10:32 PM

No, I haven't read the board, and you must also see where it gets you. I suspect it will get you nowhere. After all, Godchild doesn't stand by her word, so even if she says you are right, it won't change her one bit.

Look we're not going to get anywhere with those people. So I don't know why they even come here.

But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let them lie, and they do lie, whether you recognize it or not. I know they say we lie, but where is their evidence? All I see is them twist our words so it makes it look like we are lying.

Sure, there is a lack of communication etc. But I'm talking about irrefutable proof they have lied, we have it, and if you don't see it, I really don't know how you don't.

And that includes their use of gossip, which they are experts at.

Just read the Cultblunder's Shepherd's Chapel Thread to see what I mean.

dodge

04-10-2007, 10:04 PM

Smyrna is a liar! Many times he has said that he is going to ignore Godchild. In his post #370, he said that he was not even going to read Godchild's posts anymore and only respond with "WOTNWR." Now that he is up to almost 2300 posts, I should remind him what he said about someone with that many. "That many posts reveal you to be a zealot, which reveals you to be irrational." Smyrna, not only are you a liar, you are a hypocrite!

(Message edited by Dodge on April 10, 2007)

smyrna

04-11-2007, 12:39 AM

For the benefit of those reading, it is ineteresting that people take things out of context, and wrap their own interpretations around it.

In the above case, there was a time when the "Fab Five" were being particularly ridiculous,(Arron, Godhcild, Franklin, David Munsun, and LLM) even more so than usual.
I declared at that time I was no longer going to respond to their posts with any rebuttal, hence the acronym I chose to use: WOTNWR

After a time, when the "Fab Five's" posts began to be a little more coherent, I resumed communicating with them on an individual basis, though I still used the WOTNWR acronym from time to time.

So you see, it is not a lie, I never said I was going to refuse to communicate with them "from now on" as Godchild declared she would do with me. Therefore, there is no lie.

As for the remark about the number of posts that I cited another person had at a particular time, in order for the accuser above to properly present it, the direct quote must be cited.

Also the month and year that the person in question started posting at FacNet, so that the reader can make the determination whether there were excessive number of posts, and choose to agree with me or not.

I have been a FacNet Member since January of '05.

Since the above accuser didn't do the math, I will. 365 x 2 = 730 + 100 because it is the 10th of April. That's 830 days. And 2262 posts, divided into 830 days, comes out to about 2.70 posts per day, hardly what can be termed excessive.

So, in the above case, the writer did not prove either of his accusations, and therefore it is he who has showed his dishonesty, by deliberately not giving enough information, so that he can look like he actually proved something.

And he has. He has proved he is an imbecile, who has resorted to making foolish assumptions, in a silly attempt to discredit me.

He has failed.

godchild

04-11-2007, 03:26 AM

dodge, Thanks. Its not worth fighting over. I joined in Jan. 05 too. By doing the same math, I've posted approx. 5.7 times a day. Now take half of that for my posts on the mormon threads (and not counting the other threads), and you come up with 2.7 posts per day. But who is counting?

I think you've forgotten more than some of these folks will ever know about Christianity. I think you do have love for the Lord, and you and He will work it out. God bless.

Oh, yes. It's my perogative to change my mind as to whether I want to post again anywhere. Maybe I'll come visit with you tomorrow. Have a great evening.

dodge

04-11-2007, 04:02 AM

Godchild, I'm not a Christian, though I was born and raised in the Roman Catholic Church as an ethnic French-Canadian. I was baptised, confirmed, went through twelve years of Catholic School run by Marian nuns and two years of seminary. My beliefs have evolved through the years into pseudo-gnosticism, but labels really can't define my inner world and what I see.

I really can't say that I "have love for the Lord," at least the way that you understand it. What I do have is a direct knowledge of that which is the source of all, symbolized by the Light that is at the core of my being. It is that which has no form, and is called by that which is understood by the individual who perceives it. Christians know it as Christ, others know it as Buddha, Krishna, the Clear White Light of the Void, the Great White Father or whatever makes sense to one. The problem is that once people give it form in order to understand it, they think they have the Truth; and that their Truth is the only valid Truth for everyone.

So, I don't worship any "Lord," or "God," but at times have direct communion with the ground of all Being, that Universal Mind which is at the core of all there is. I know, without doubt, that all is mind, that everything we perceive in this physical realm is a projection of our beliefs and thoughts, that what comes into your life you bring to yourself.

I have no church, I don't give names to That Which Is...though I like the description in the Old Testament of "god" as "The I AM." I know that my beliefs are going to be attacked, but this is the nature of an internet forum. The older I get (and I am 58 years old), the more I realize that nobody has The Truth, only parts of a larger reality that we can hardly fathom. Together, we can share our small segments of the Truth and attempt to piece together What Is.

Meanwhile, I must admit that I have fun playing with the SheepChaps. They are so reactive, it's easy to wind them up and watch them wobble around, weaving back and forth in a defensive posture. They will spend the rest of their lives defending their beliefs, which doesn't seem to me to be an ascended way of being. There are so many things to do in this beautiful world other than playing Murray's advocate day after day.

You too, Godchild, you seem obsessed with fighting these SheepChaps. It seems very important to you, and you put a lot of energy and time into it. In the end, they are only a group of people with deeply-held opinions. What difference does it really make if they believe what they do?

"I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand. Now, now...here's looking at you kid."

Casablanca

stage_director

04-11-2007, 05:48 AM

QUOTE
I realize that nobody has The Truth, only parts of a larger reality that we can hardly fathom. Together, we can share our small segments of the Truth and attempt to piece together What Is.
END QUOTE

I can agree with this comment, dodge. We see in part.

You know, it's rather disappointing that you're not a Christian since you seem fully aware of just how flawed and inadequate we all are ... and that's in reeeal short supply in this life choice. ;-) Well, okay ... most do recognize that the "other guy" is flawed, but that doesn't really count.

smyrna

04-11-2007, 06:31 AM

Dodge wrote: "You too, Godchild, you seem obsessed with fighting these SheepChaps. It seems very important to you, and you put a lot of energy and time into it. In the end, they are only a group of people with deeply-held opinions. What difference does it really make if they believe what they do?"

This guy is in denial. How many times has he
tried to get our attention by posting insulting material about Jesus?

The man is sick, and is now refusing to acknowledge that he has been shown to be a waste of natural resources.

It is shameful that he came back here after being shown he failed in his silly attempt at trying to label me a liar and hypocrite.

He had nothing to say about it. So he co-miserates with Godchild, another failure.

Of course, he is in denial. After being throughly trashed, he describes his interaction with us as "fun playing with the SheepChaps."
He has shown us nothing but his foolishness.

dodge

04-11-2007, 06:56 AM

WOTNWR

dodge

04-11-2007, 07:19 AM

Stage Director -- I just don't believe in the Biblical Jesus Christ, or the Old and New Testament "God." I see very clearly that, when you look deeply inside, you will find the "archetype" of that which people think of as Christ, or God. It is indistinguishable from deity, because essentially, what we are talking about is wholeness, conscious and unconscious, light and shadow, Christ and Satan, Yin and Yang, Ahura Mazda and Ariman. You must integrate the two in order to become whole, otherwise you will continue to project the dark part of your totality onto others in the form of enemies, or Satan, or that which you hate.

I know that Christians will never accept this. I'm only attempting to describe what I believe, for what its worth. That One which is at the center of all religions, faiths, beliefs and philosophies is the same. There can be only One. We just call it by different names and have various symbols and anthropomorphic images for it. It is so sad that each system of belief seems to require that all submit to their particular way of looking at it. Oh well, such is the nature of humanity.

stage_director

04-11-2007, 08:55 AM

Hi there, dodge ... I was once in a place probably not that dissimilar to where you're coming from, although I don't think I was quite as introspective or enlightened. :-) I knew there was the One, also, but I wasn't sure how much of everything else was just hope and explanation. I'm not really a proponent of organized or man-directed religion, and what I believe is mostly the result of my own quest.

smyrna

04-11-2007, 03:38 PM

It's what you get with unbelievers:

No wonder he is a failure:
"Stage Director -- I just don't believe in the Biblical Jesus Christ, or the Old and New Testament "God."

"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."- Psalm 14

S-D wrote: "I'm not really a proponent of organized or man-directed religion, and what I believe is mostly the result of my own quest.'

Hmm.... Jesus said He would build His Church, and He didn't mean 28,000 different denominations partly made up of elements that oppose each other.
He gave Peter authority: "Whatsover thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" and vice versa.

He also tapped Paul as one of the great leaders of that Church, and anyone can see what influence Paul had, considering he wrote much of the New Testament, the letters to the different cities in different countries that had groups that belonged to the ONE Church Christ established Himself, and appointed MEN to lead it.
These men were led by the Holy Spirit, and the Church Christ established He also stamped with His own Divine protection: "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

So to not align oneself with this Church, and following after their own "quest" goes against the spirit of the intentions of Christ Himself.

In addition, going on one's own "quest" without the guidance of the authority that Christ Himself established, is following a man (or woman, herself)so Stage Director is contradicting herself.

Now because she is so easily predictable, Godchild will interject, since she now claims she is not ignoring me anymore, and has changed her mind, and will claim that I am contradicting myself because I study with Pastor Murray and also am Catholic.

However, as I have said before, but Godchild conveniently ignores so she can still hurl false allegations, the Catholic Church does not oppose Catholics nor prohibits their congregants from using material for study that is produced by non-Catholic sources.
As a matter of fact, there are numerous references to non-Catholic sources, such as commentaries, etc, that form part of many volumes of Church approved material that can be used as documentation of this fact.

Therefore, there is no contradiction. And in cases where SC teachings may not align with Catholic teachings, I take those instances up with God in prayer, and that is up to Him to guide me in the right direction.

There are different levels of teaching in Catholicism. This is what people like Godchild fail to understand, or deliberately ignore.

Not every Biblical issue or situation has been hammered down and declared "ex-cathedra" and therefore there is a reasonable degree of flexibility given to those who choose to study Scripture, though this does not mean one is given free reign to form their own interpretations, but is considered a component along with others, merely part of a continuing process of revelation,and there are many examples, as well as Scripture, to back up that statement.

The Church remains steadfast as the protector of moral judgment and instruction, and usually does not stand in the way of research that involves Biblical or secular history, scientific approaches in MOST cases, etc.

godchild

04-11-2007, 04:01 PM

Dodge, It does appear to be an obsession, doesn't it? I was pretty much home-bound for the past two years (a sort of self-imposed exile). Thank God that's not the case now. I will admit I came here about 30% of my time from boredom, and another 20 with a desire to share what I have learned, (which isn't that much,really, in 59 years). Originally, I looked for boards to discuss mormonism. When the apologists there stopped posting, I looked around and found these threads about a group very similar in their beliefs. The package just has a different wrapper. Its easy to see where their ignorance comes from, as you get them to open up about their individual idiocyncrasies (sp?). I've always loved to study people, and there's enough here to write a book. They are still a curiosity. Its really interesting to find people who claim to be neanderthals, (though they say they are evolved angels who played with dinosaurs.) That's one of the more humorous aspects of it all. Their doctrines are easily set aside. Why they believe them is more interesting.

As for your beliefs; you're not alone in them. I respect your right to believe the way you do. God's time is not our time. I trust Him to work that out. And I do hope these folks are not a lost cause.

(Since this message was not for scer's I hope they don't jump in and twist what I said to make it appear insulting, which is not my intent. Just facts as I see them).

godchild

04-11-2007, 04:09 PM

abi, Sorry if you thought I was laughing at "fat legs". I wasn't. Just curious about who was who, and that was the only different between the three (or was it two) of you. I also knew if I used those words, you all would admit who it was that found it necessary to do such a childish thing. Angie wasn't so quick to admit her part in it, but I have no doubt she was involved. Whether she will say it was out of "love for me" is yet to be seen. I don't think even she would so boldly lie. We'll have to wait and see, I suppose. It was probably nice not to have to meet at a "rented" building finally. My Dad lived in Arkansas for a few years, and the photos of the landscape were beautiful. I guess it would have been my choice to take photos of that, and not a building. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. Hope you are appreciating the beautiful Spring the Lord is providing for us! I know I am! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

stage_director

04-11-2007, 04:34 PM

QUOTE
So to not align oneself with this Church, and following after their own "quest" goes against the spirit of the intentions of Christ Himself.
END QUOTE

All believers are of the Church and the body of Christ ... but the head of me is Jesus Christ, not some denomination's theology or a human church personage. I don't gather at the feet of any man for his wisdom because I'm convinced the sum of the truth passed from God's lips to his ears.

(Message edited by stage_director on April 11, 2007)

godchild

04-11-2007, 05:02 PM

I tried to delete the dual post, but the ghost won't do it. This is the message I got:
Editing Privilege Denied

The poster of this message is not recorded in the posting log. Therefore you cannot edit or delete this message.

Odd!

smyrna

04-11-2007, 05:10 PM

Stage Director wrote:
"All believers are of the Church and the body of Christ ... but the head of me is Jesus Christ, not some denomination's theology or a human church personage."

Well, if that is truly the case, one cannot call another Church or group of believers, which is what the term Church means, as "not being Christian" and also, no one would have any right to refer to someone else's beliefs about he Bible, as "heretics" as long as they adhere to the basic tenets of the Christian faith, and those tenets were summed up in the great Creeds.

Your assumption brings a whole gamut of questions, assumptions, and insinuations into play.

And if you truly believe what you have written, then you must deny that Christ gave any authority at all to His disciples, and you deny Scripture itself, any, many verses of Scripture.

Stage Director:
"I don't gather at the feet of any man for his wisdom because I'm convinced the sum of the truth passed from God's lips to his ears."

Assuming you are being sarcastic and referring to Pastor Murray, or any other teacher for that matter, I say good for you!

Because Pastor Murray himself has stated many times to check out what he teaches against the Word of God, not your word, or Godchild's words, or my words, but the Word of God.

However, in order for you to do so, you MUST listen to the works of men.

Unless you think that the KJV or whatever Bible version you like to use just dropped out of the sky, it was a large group of men over the course of many years that brought you the Bible of today, whatever version that may be.

And it is because of that fact, whether you admit it or not, you DO rely on somebody's theology, and innumerable "Church personages."

And I happen to believe that the Holy Spirit was the one who really presided over the great Counsels of the early Church, and that the only Church that was in existence at that time was the Catholic Church.

And so to sum up this comment, your theology,based upon your own comments, is based upon an overly simplistic and shallow attempt at approaching the study of the Word of God, and you admit that you have no guidance whatsoever while you pick and choose what you accept or reject from any number of sources.

Because you cannot read ANY version of the Bible in English without absorbing the works of men,you cannot use a concordance, lexicon, or any other translator's tools without relying on men, and therefore your comments defy common sense.

angie0401

04-11-2007, 06:00 PM

Vivian said:abi, Sorry if you thought I was laughing at "fat legs". I wasn't. Just curious about who was who, and that was the only different between the three (or was it two) of you. I also knew if I used those words, you all would admit who it was that found it necessary to do such a childish thing. Angie wasn't so quick to admit her part in it, but I have no doubt she was involved. Whether she will say it was out of "love for me" is yet to be seen.

tsk tsk! Shame on you, Vivian - it is not very loving of you to call people things like "fat legs" and "the fat one on the right" and use words like "cold bich". People might think that your "conversion" is a sham....
Still letting that "light shine" are you,Viv?

Since this seems to be bothering you so much, let me put your mind at ease a bit. Yes, I went to Passover and after it was over, I went by the chapel in Gravette. I visited the bookstore and broadcast studio, met lots of really nice people - both visitors and staff - and even had my picture made with Pastor Murray (no, you can't see that picture) and talked to him. He's a really nice man and my whole family enjoyed meeting him. You can tell how much all of his staff love him as well (and some of them aren't white! gasp!!).

I did help make the signs that were held up. There was much more difference in the 3 people than the size of their pants (if you ONLY knew! - but you don't, do you?? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif ). As a matter of fact, you have no idea exactly who was in those pictures, so you have no idea who you might have hurt with your hateful remarks. Did you even consider that the one with "fat legs" might have been a young girl struggling with her self-esteem? That you might have really hurt someone who isn't accustomed to being attacked by people like you? Is this your way of "witnessing" to people? Of course not, all you worry about is seeing how vile and nasty you can be. (you do an AWESOME job of it, BTW!) http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

I have no doubt abi helped make the signs out of love and without malice - she even said that while doing it and was sincere; she is a much more patient, kind person than I am. I helped because I wanted to see if you could actually be a stand-up person and admit your error, but instead you were exposed for the lying, twisted, obsessed person you truly are. I still pray for you - that God deals with you swiftly and corrects you where you are in error so that you might come to find peace and truly know Him. I know that we can all cross the line here, but you have turned it into an art form. Unfortunately, the only love that shines from you is "self-love" and love of strife.

I hear that you have a "job", does that mean you aren't on disability any longer and aren't using my tax dollars to sponge off the government? I didn't think it was that easy to get better when you have such "severe" mental problems that you are on disability for it... If so, that's awesome, maybe someone who is truly disabled can use that money now.

stage_director

04-11-2007, 08:09 PM

QUOTE
Well, if that is truly the case, one cannot call another Church or group of believers, which is what the term Church means, as "not being Christian" and also, no one would have any right to refer to someone else's beliefs about he Bible, as "heretics" as long as they adhere to the basic tenets of the Christian faith, and those tenets were summed up in the great Creeds.
END QUOTE

Did I call you or anyone here an unbeliever? I think God would be the judge of that unless you tell me yourself. Besides, I think there are much worse things to be than an unbeliever anyway, the first and foremost someone who believes and yet }walks like a devil anyway.

My creed is in the bible and spoken by Jesus Christ ...

Mat 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

Which includes the following ...

1 John 4:20
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother (in Christ), he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen

smyrna

04-11-2007, 08:21 PM

Stage Director's post does NOTHING to explain the questions nor does it refute views posed to her.

But that's ok, because I'm used to the detractors scapegoating, deliberately not answering posts that make them look silly, etc.

I am glad you quoted I John. Because on the Something To Consider thread, I showed what Godchild said about me and also Pastor Murray, and it sure doesn't look like Christ's love was shining through her!

And once again, I never stated anywhere on these threads that I hate anyone. I hate what people do, I do not hate people.

godchild

04-11-2007, 08:56 PM

I'll let "smart-a$$" copy my reply to angie's on the other thread. Hurry up, jerk. I want her to see it again, and again. Yes, I hate her like I hate a pimple. Squeeze it, pop it, forget about it. lol

I love the weather this time of year. Its a great time to get out and get "back in shape"; get rid of those "winter" hibernating pounds, good for the heart too. Helps the "self-esteem", and gets the cobwebs out of your brain.

rachelengland

04-11-2007, 09:04 PM

Godchild, it is snowing like crazy here in Michigan-there is nothing warm about it..no one here will ever have the chance to get their fat arse in shape....and pimples don't go away -you pop it it spreads bacteria deeper and scars.

Ohhhh Godchild you do crack me up..and as I am writing this I can hear Paul mcartney and wings singing over the Sirus radio..."with a little love we can work it out-we can make this whole damn thing work out...

Ahhhh if only it was that easy.

smyrna

04-11-2007, 09:09 PM

Re: The Pigtree Cafe
« Reply #148 on: Today at 06:34:45 AM »(Smyrna:That's "OZ" Time)

"stage dir., I'm going to take your friendly advice. In the Easter Service this morning, I was reminded of why I am even alive. It is "Because He Lives". When we sang that song I couldn't stop the flow of tears from my eyes.

I am so grateful to the Lord in so many ways but ***I haven't been showing His love through me***, by being equally as sarcastic as those who don't want to hear His gospel message anyway.

"There are many people out there who haven't heard it, and I need to spend whatever time He gives me to try and ***let His light shine from my words and actions."***

Godchild, just a few short days later:

"I'll let "smart-a$$" copy my reply to angie's on the other thread. Hurry up, jerk. I want her to see it again, and again. Yes, I hate her like I hate a pimple. Squeeze it, pop it, forget about it. lol'

Smyrna: Feel the love, folks? It just keeps shining through!
---------------------------------------------

Who cares if am/sc has a church building? I think smyrna is lying about it."- Godchild

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/Shepherdschapel.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

Funny, in a sick kind of way, huh, Godchild and Rachel? Stick around for more, I know you will!

"Unless we enjoy that sick kind of humor, ***we can ignore him (Smyrna) from now on."***
-Godchild 4/6/07

smyrna

04-17-2007, 06:53 PM

BUMP!

So Lutheratx can see Godchild's lies, which will be added to over time, probably even today!

skooter942000

04-17-2007, 10:17 PM

Yes, i can feel the LOVE,

- (i mean lack thereof)

Comparing a Christian to a ZIT.(Pimple)

See the LOVE?

- (do you)?

- Better yet , (can "CHRIST")?

skooter942000

04-18-2007, 06:09 PM

Still no apology (from gc)
- about the CHURCH BUILDING.

'i' suppose the silence "speaks volumes".

- a CHRISTIAN would apologize for their mistake.
- One that continued on for quite sometime on this board.

(...or did i miss it)?

- Everyone should note this:

CONTINUING HATE
CONTINUOUS LIES
FALSE ACCUSATIONS
LACK of FORGIVENESS
LACK of LOVE

- are NOT the traits of a CHRISTIAN?

Let's not forget the unfettered
(...uncalled for, - name calling)

CHRIST is:
(READY)
(WILLING)
& (ABLE)
- To Forgive. (simply ask)

- ("HE IS OUR KINSMEN REDEEMER AFTER ALL")

- to walk after CHRIST, is not an easy task.

'we' are to _(FOLLOW HIM)_ (in our Daily Lives)

abiyah

04-18-2007, 06:21 PM

Nice post there Skooter. I hope all is real well with you brother. May the Peace, Grace, and Love of our Lord & Saviour Christ Jesus 'continue' to be with you this day and always, for ever; Amen.

Agape,

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifAbiyah

dodge

04-18-2007, 06:34 PM

Skooter wrote, "- are NOT the traits of a CHRISTIAN...Let's not forget the unfettered
...uncalled for, - name calling."

Skooter, unfettered, uncalled for name-calling is the trademark of you advocates of the Christian Identity organization SOLDIERS OF THE CROSS/SHEPHERD'S CHAPEL. Ad homimen and vicious personal attacks are regular features in the rhetoric of your Serpent Seed Fan Club. In psychological terms, this is called "projection," assigning to others what you fail to admit in yourself. But I am glad to point that out in order that you may see how hypocritical you are.

smyrna

04-18-2007, 08:38 PM

Dodge is SO BLIND, or deliberately dishonest, that he cannot see for himself this very thread DOCUMENTS the lies that Godchild has spewed all over these boards.

He has criticism for the SC folks, but of course, as all detractors, he finds no fault in his fellow comrades.

It's only his opinion that we do not admit that we have engaged in name calling. He is fully aware of my posts on the For Your Consideration thread where I showed that Jesus, John, and Paul also had some tough things to say to their detractors.

And speak of hypocirsy!

Dodge complains about us, at the same time he calls us "Christian Identity" "Serpents Seed Fan Club"

I'm sure he will say that those are just descriptive terms, but since he also knows we do not describe ourselves that way, we can see he is doing this as a way to insult us.

And if he chooses to deny that, then that is perfectly fine, since there are so many other posts where this guy has been anything but kind, and mocks and insults Christians and others.

So he has not room to talk about anyone, and he ain't no better, and it sure seems he's worse than most anyone on here.

So Dodge can stuff his comments where the sun don't shine, because he's just a sloppy version of Franklin.

godchild

04-19-2007, 12:22 AM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifPoor angie (and her friends) think I really hate her. When I said I hate her and compared that 'hate' to a pimple, it was said 'tongue in cheek'. In other words, it was a joke, but none of you got it. I think of pimples as a temporary irritant, to be dealt with promptly and forgotten about; not to be hated. Do you understand what I hate and what I HAVE said I hate. Everything God hates; Rascism, rascist doctrines, serious things. Not piddling things like angie or a pimple. Sorry you got so offended. I thought it was a good comparison, and funny. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

If you all need more ammo as to my character, go ahead and tell people whatever flips your trigger; twist and turn my words however you like. You certainly can't win converts with your lunatic doctrines, so you may as well try by lying and immature little games.

smyrna

04-19-2007, 01:35 AM

About Arnold Murray, Godchild said "I hate the man." I guess that was a joke too.

In addition, you don't have to actually say you hate a person in order to express that you do.

But no matter, because I could care less what Godchild thinks of me, Pastor Murray, Angie, etc.

I'm not here to win a popularity contest, especially with a bunch of disjointed freaks, who apparently have a real hard time minding their own business.

What I believe is no one's business, and what sources I use to help study the Word of God, whether it be a teacher, or tools published by teachers, is also my business.

So what we really have with the CBers and anyone else that has a problem with the SC, is a bunch of busybodies, arrogant snots who think they are so exalted, they can go around condemning what other people believe, and what Church they may belong to.

But when you challenge their self declared right to butt into your business, all of a sudden you are a "vicious attacker" "mean spirited cult member" who must have learned to attack them through being a members of such and such a Church, and its teachers.

Imagine, literally thousands of posts aimed at SC students, by these types of individuals, in the good old USA, where we are supposed to have freedom of religion.

I ask: what is the difference between these people, who stick their noses in our business day after day, and those who harasses someone based on race or some other religion?

Do we have to remind them that these threads were set up by people who HATE the SC?

Oh yeah, they say the SC is a "dangerous" cult. "They must get the word out." Well, they have tried and they have failed, because no one of any consequence believes them. And they refuse to admit it. They even lie to themselves!

But where are the hate crimes of Chapel students? TWENTY years the SC has been on TV. Not ONE hate crime has been attributed to Arnold Murray or the SC. Not one. No hate rallys, no racist websites published by hateful Chapel students. Nothing.

But on the other hand, we have these cyber- terrorists who go all over the Internet lying, misrepresenting,rumor mongering, setting up websites with absolutely false information, and the FACTS prove it. If that isn't a hate crime, I don't know what is.

NO media, no NAACP, No ADL, no one but whackos on the web has ever had a problem with the SC.

So that's what we have folks. A bunch of self righteous,deluded numbskulls, that can't mind their own business.

It's that simple.

skooter942000

04-26-2007, 10:08 PM

From Dodge
BTW/ (Chevy's are still better)

Skooter, unfettered, uncalled for name-calling is the trademark of you advocates of the Christian Identity organization SOLDIERS OF THE CROSS/SHEPHERD'S CHAPEL.

_ETC_

Ad homimen and vicious personal attacks are regular features in the rhetoric of your Serpent Seed Fan Club.

------------8< --- cut -------------

I guess i missed this one.

Ooh, such big words...

'i' am not a member of this ORG
Christian Identity.

(i am a CHRISTIAN) - PERIOD

- That's the NAME i go by , - (In my FAITH).

So don't LIE about me ,(MR.)
- Or Insinuate about me.

- Where is my name calling?

I have said, (And called people LIARS),
because they are.

They LIE about me
About Pastor
About the Brethren (IN CHRIST).

And we know, (As should you),
LIARS are not welcome in the eternity.

I have also used the phrase,
- False Accusers ,(because many are),
just like here - (Dodge).

so your words , (pointed at me),
are not TRUE.

- Retire elsewhere ,
- (before it's too late)

- GOD has your number.
- (As do we)

You hate ALMIGHTY GOD
You hate CHRIST
You HATE US

You MOCK GOD
YOU MOCK CHRIST
YOU MOCK us

HATE is not a Righteous Acts.
It is not a loving trait.

SMEARING GOD (or us),
- will not bode well for you.
- (on JUDGMENT DAY).

And yes, this day , (SHALL COME).



Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings:
be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.

Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry,
and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath
is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all
they that put their trust in him.


http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

smyrna

05-02-2007, 06:00 PM

http://scripturetruth.homestead.com/Chickies.html

Let's analyze Godchild's message to Rachel,(above) which I think she posted to CB by accident, because she commented to Rachel: "That is weird", but no post by Rachel prior to Godchild's post would have elicited such a comment.

Anyway, Godchild wants to shoot her neighbor's cats. Her neighbor was honest and told her he thought it was his cats. Godchild would rather have rats and smelly chickens around, then cats.

If she thinks rats don't eat little chickies,she knows nothing about living in the country.

Anyway, she then complains about her neighbor's equipment that she has to look at.

It's his property, his equipment, and now, it's his nosy, miserable neighbor, that would rather have rats running around, so she can keep her little chickies, which quickly will grow into large, smelly, noisy, dirty, chickens!

What nerve! She moves there, and then starts complaining about her neighbor!

That sounds just like the idiots I used to read about in the paper in Chicago. They move near the airport, and then complain about the noise!

How would you like to have Godchild as a neighbor?

Then she says she's so angry, and hasn't had time to come to FactNet. Well, that last long, if you see the garbage she posted on the Kenite Korner thread.

She just had to lash out at us too.

Hey, I wonder if Godchild told her neighbor about how she needs to let Christ's light shine through her!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

(Message edited by smyrna on May 02, 2007)

smyrna

05-02-2007, 07:11 PM

Yeah, I've always been a cat lover. Of course, because I said that, I'm sure Godchild will stick a few extra bullets in her gun.

Now if you were a trusted associate Rachel, you would have seen just what a cat lover I am.

Since this morning, I sent our little email group a picture of myself, with my pet Serval. You'll have to look up the breed, since you get no photo.

That cat would have ate Godchild's chickies as a little appetizer.

Actually, I love all animals, even CB detractors. Just kidding! I don't want you all to say that I must be reading the Talmud or something like that.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

rachelengland

05-02-2007, 07:14 PM

Ohhh..I am so sad I am not in your little group-I would of put that picture of you and your cat..right up there with Franklin's and his cat! MEOW!!!!

"I love all animals". Smyrna

Doesn't sound like you like chickens too much though..they must be the kenites of the animal kingdom(lol) couldn't resist....R

(Message edited by rachelengland on May 02, 2007)

smyrna

05-02-2007, 09:16 PM

Ter,

Yeah, I loved my Serval. I used to have an Abyssinian! Two actually. One was named Tarkus, the other Marsheba.

Tarkus, before he was fixed, was uncontrollable. The Serval was as gentle as any domestic I ever had.

Yeah, Godchild sure has a mean streak!
I'm beginning to understand how she conducts herself in person.

It's her stupidity that was at fault when her chicks were eaten. Rats will and do eat eggs and will kill chicks if allowed to.

Like you said, the cats are not at fault. Godchild never takes personal accountability for anything, it seems.

I guess it's just more of Christ's light shining through her!

smyrna

05-04-2007, 01:12 PM

"Oh, and after I calmed down, I decided the proper way to react (and protect my animals) is to buy a cat trap and take the cat to the pound. It's the humane thing to do."

Oh yeah, great idea. Taking any animal to the pound is just like giving them a death sentence in the majority of cases.

This is just another phony put on by the all of a sudden meek Godchild.

How many times have we seen this "transformation."

You know, as they say, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

This would apply, except that she has tried to fool people more than twice.

By the way, I have two cats that live outside. They don't run around killing anything, I keep them well fed. If Godchild was my neighbor, I'd wake up one day, and find that my "neighbor" carted them off the the pound.

Nature can be harsh but nature is nature. People need to protect themselves, their pets. So get a fence, lock your chicken coop, and quit pretending you are nice Godchild. We won't get fooled again.

smyrna

05-04-2007, 06:58 PM

Ok, so when was this Church set up, and where is this Goff now?

Because somehow,as we all have said many times, Murray is NOT a racist, and this according to admitted racists!
He's sure doing a poor job of being the racist you paint him to be, because only whack jobs like you seem to believe that he is.

One more time: NO media, NO ADL, No Al Sharpton, and if you were paying attention, at least one Neo-Nazi claimed Murray left CI in 1981.

So if he was a racist then, he sure ain't one now, and I don't treat anybody like they have never progressed in life, as you apparently do.

The guy is 80 some years old, and grew up in the south. Do you know how many people had racist attitudes in his day? We even had one make a pretty good run at president, George Wallace.

But people change. So if you don't want to admit that, or you want to use this stunt, which Godchild has already tried too, go ahead. But you are an idiot for doing so.

In addition, where is your documentation of all these things?

So far, you are missing three planes, and your sources are far from credible, as I already noted.

So you have the burden of proof,not us.

So, it looks like you have your work cut out for you.

gone_to_pa

05-06-2007, 08:27 PM

Hey kiddies,our Pastor didn't want to go on TV, but he does still have a radio show that you can tune into. 11:50 A.M. between 10:05 A.M.to 11:00 A.M.
Hey guys you'll really like my old Pastor. he is old and he does now have a drug problem, but you'll never have to worry about him pulling a gun on you like you have too with senile Murray, our old Pastor Carl Stevens has about 5 bodyguards with guns. [ because of a couple of threats to his life ] Now don't forget to bring some medication with you because Carl has a prescription drug problem and will trade like Percocets for Zanex. Yes, Carl will also teach you some doctrines that he has taken from the originals languages. Yes. doctrines like "Touch Not Mine Annointed" which keeps you from ever having to be accountible to anyone. {Sound familiar} and of course there is the Geographical Will of God doctrine. This teaches you that since your at GGWO, you shouldn't leave unless Carl tells you too or something bad might happen to you.Then there are always the special Revelations from God Himself, that will keep you on the edge of your seat listening to everyone going ooooo-aaaaahhhh. Yes, during Convention you'll get to meet a whole pile of people just like yourselves,and you can chat about being in Revival instead of Survival. Again Godchild koo-doo's too you dear. All this effort just for you. I'm jealous, I wish I could get a bunch of Cult members mad at me enough to go through all this trouble. ( Oh, my bad, GGWO was furious at me since we brought our stories to the newspapers and Carl was exposed for the second time after being kicked out of M.A. ( For info on this topic, you can go to GGWO on FN and punch in Berkshire eagle Article, which is also posted on "Let's Discuss GGWO") Yes, I remember the days when I too was given so much attention by the detractors of the Bible. Alright kids let's all sing it together, (oh, my bad, little before your time) By Chubby Checker,
Come on baby, let's do the twist
come on baby, let's do the twist,
Round and around
Come on, let's twist those Scriptures
and do the twist. LOL

By the way, no matter what you bunch of little pimple faced little know it alls, say about me, we see it as a Badge of Honor, so paste em on kids, paste em on.!! Franklin, where's there

franklin

05-06-2007, 10:39 PM

We know you by your fruit terluvire. And it is rotten.

The stench is as bad as the rotting corpse of the Third Reich you are regurgitating.

neginoth

05-07-2007, 02:19 AM

Oh, yeah. He goads people into fits of anger and I'm "unbelievable".

Nevermind that Fraknie told me to kiss his ____

You just ignore it and have a cup of coffee, won't you?

franklin

05-07-2007, 02:47 AM

I do not lie.

Eve is the mother of ALL humanity.

Genesis 3:20

Adam is the father of Cain.

Genesis 4:1

God's truth!

neginoth

05-07-2007, 04:10 PM

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As SC students, we're laughing with each other. I don't care if you're laughing or not.

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You haven't read any of Captain Adolf Gerbils-Brannigan Crunch's posts.

smyrna

05-08-2007, 02:59 AM

GTP wrote:

"GC, this is the best thread ever, keep up the good work!!! GTP"

This give us great insight into the mind of GTP. This thread was not even set up by Godchild. As a matter of fact, it's initial purpose was to display the photos of two SC members of this forum, that held up signs in front of the SC Church, to show Godchild that the SC indeed does have it's own Church building.

That was something Godchild denied for nearly a year, and all the women did it for was to show, once and for all, that the SC did indeed have it's own building.

The issue was NOT the building itself, but the FACT that Godchild just made up that accusation, like hse and others have done so many times here.

Showing that the detractors do not have much credibility is soemthing that needs to be done.

None of us give a damn about your beliefs vs our own. That is your business, what you choose to believe. Unlike the detractors, who make it their business to meddle with our be. You do not believe in freedom of religion.

What you believe in is not much different than Muslim extremists, who want the entire world to believe what they believe.

So you stick your nose in our business, and then proceed to make up lies, misrepresent what the Chapel teaches, and all other types of deceptions.

So, you GTP, are actually saying that Godchild is doing "good work" by lying, which shows you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Furthermore, you indulge yourself in that rumor mill over at CB, and that is all it is, besides a whining festival. It's comical, and you're one of the biggest whiners around.

On top of all that, it appears that you are actually bragging that you were in prison.

Now there's something to be proud of. They probably punk'd you out there.

I'm sure you became the prison Chaplin, right? Give me a break. You are a clown, and you come here and stir up stuff, then run back to CB telling them about how you were attacked.

Jerks like that don't make very good chaplins.

smyrna

05-10-2007, 02:39 AM

Good post Ter,

But one thing we uncovered was that the CBers, at least some of them,believe it is ok to lie to "pagans" Glenn/Franklin is one of them, but I'm not sure who else.

It seem they all do, the ones who come here, because they do it so openly, shamelessly, with absolutely no regard for the truth.

They know I'm not talking about doctrinal differences. I'm talking about stuff like buildings, planes, and other trivia, which they hype up because they have little or nothing else.

The doctrinal differences we will not apologize for, it is our right to believe what we believe WITHOUT harassment, something they do not ascribe to.

I guess their constitution is not the US constitution.

abiyah

05-11-2007, 07:48 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifBeloved Alice, let The Word's which Jesus Christ The Lord spake unto you bring your heart much Comfort and Joy.


Matthew 5:9
" BLESSED [=happy] ARE THE PEACEMAKERS; FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE CHILDREN OF GOD. "

Matthew 5:10
" BLESSED [=happy] ARE THEY WHICH ARE PERSECUTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS' SAKE; FOR THEIRS IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. "

Matthew 5:11
" BLESSED [=happy] ARE YE, WHEN MEN SHALL REVILE YOU, AND PERSECUTE YOU, AND SHALL SAY ALL MANNER OF EVIL AGAINST YOU "FALSELY", FOR MY SAKE. "

Matthew 5:12
" REJOICE, AND BE EXCEEDING GLAD; FOR GREAT IS YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN; FOR SO PERSECUTED THEY THE PROPHETS WHICH WERE BEFORE YOU. "

terluvire

05-12-2007, 03:09 AM

godchild,

I'm not about to agrue with you over this.

I posted it for her as a favor. She has no desire to post here nor to argue with you.

Like I said in my above post, (not her post, but mine) that she is very ill.

She has better stuff to do with her time than to spend it here arguing with people who won't believe what she says anyway.

All she wishes is that you do not bring her name into our discussions here. She asked this with a sincere heart.

I pray that you recieve it in the spirit it was intended.

That's all I'm saying in the matter.

saygoodnightgracie

05-12-2007, 01:18 PM

You sound constipated, the Kennedy's will do this to you. Try to relax, think happy thoughts. You need more sleep. I can suggest some good threads here and on CB that will help you doze off.

This a happy little ditty to help you start your day right, then drink a little prune juice and stay away from bananas and cheese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1PFMFAvGpk

arron

05-12-2007, 05:30 PM

why cant the scers just proclaim JESUS AS LORD nd forget all the serpent seed garbage and no rapture and all that preexsistance mess.

smyrna

05-12-2007, 07:22 PM

Hey dave,

I'm not finished with the site, and I happen to think making fun of the detractors is not only funny,but also shows how foolish they can be. The humor may also be foolish, but if it helps people pay attention, can be a good tool.

To close, you can't adequately judge a work until it is completed.

watchman_2

05-15-2007, 06:55 PM

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 

AMEN!

angie0401

05-16-2007, 04:03 AM

Vivian,
Is your light just shining and shinging again?

vivian said:
What a twit she is. All the witches of sc need to get their hands and mouths off am's cheeks (and I don't mean the ones on your faces)

Aren't you a bit old to be talking like that? Why would you be thinking about Pastor Murray's behind? Lonely? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

AND viv said: go home to your OLD old men
Yep, lonely it is.

Here's you a http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif so you don't feel so lonely, ok?

I just KNEW it was time for large red letters. I think our email group is going to start a pool to see when you'll do it next. I bet I win EVERY time! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

stage_director

05-16-2007, 06:30 PM

Abi ... what does my post have to do with GC? I don't know what the point is you're trying to make? Really ...

fatherofaking

05-16-2007, 06:35 PM

the one thing you can't hide,
is when your crippled inside.

john lennon

david_munson

05-16-2007, 07:54 PM

It's a good thing that he (watchman) has no say in who will actually go to hell because only those agreeing with him would live to see heaven.

Isn't that right my friend Watchman?

LOL.

Now don't get angry at me,
we had this conversation already.

signed,
the devils tit.

See, I can laugh at what you say "at" me too.

Gotta go breast feed the kids now.
LMAOROF
}

stage_director

05-16-2007, 10:41 PM

QUOTE
David... you are clearly MOCKING The Truth of God's Word that has been shared with you...
END QUOTE

The truth of God's word has been shared with YOU.

Seems to me he's amused at Murray's interpretation of certain verses ... and that many of you Shep Chap'lers can't, won't or don't distinguish between what Murray says and what's written in the bible. News flash: Mocking Murray is rarely mocking the word of God ... and it's bad discernment on your part to post those verses at David as if he'd ever believe God is to be mocked.

watchman_2

05-16-2007, 11:32 PM

David,

You wrote:
*****
It's a good thing that he (watchman) has no say in who will actually go to hell because only those agreeing with him would live to see heaven.

Isn't that right my friend Watchman?
*****

LOL! We probably agree on more things than you think. Yes, I am very thankful that I am not anyone's judge. I trust that the good Lord will be fair with you and I, and everyone else. I just know that god[satan's]child has a whole lot of punishment coming her way if she doesn't repent. Hope that I get to see it.

BTW, I was not judging god[satan's]child -- just agreeing with stage_director's relevant post with respect to her.

Have a nice day!

david_munson

05-17-2007, 03:03 AM

"David... you are clearly MOCKING The Truth of God's Word that has been shared with you... whether you can see it or not, or whether you believe it or not, you do mock. I have a HUGE problem with that brother. : ( Sad."

Um, excuse me but I have yet to see any mention in God's "Holy" Word that describes the "devil's breasts" in relation to men or women.

Watchman on the other hand thinks it's clearly present in the text when it is quite obviously "absent" from the text.

So it is not God's Word I am having fun with or as you are asserting "mocking."
Devil's tit theology is humorous at best but has no real relevance to what the Word of God actually says because it is not God's Word but only a silly old wives fable.

Nothing of any substance is there in that doctrine of man.
---
Announcement:the following is a joke and should not be cause for insult if you have a sense of humor.

I think I'll switch to formula or something.
Breast feeding hurts.
LOL.

The devil's tit

}

watchman_2

05-17-2007, 06:21 PM

fof,

You lack objectivity. I wrote figuratively. Did god[satan's]child make such a distinction?

The Bible often uses such types of symbolism in emphasizing points. Idolatry is likened as to adultery many times. The Bible even compares a suckling child to those Christians aiding Satan's work in these endtimes.

So, eventhough you are "sickened" by my analogy -- I was at least teaching Bible. You can't say the same about god[satan's]child's post.

There is no comparison!

There are few [alleged] christian doctrines that will assure one to miss the first ressurection. Rapture is one of them. So, when you suggest peace, you suggest that we undermine the Word of God in order to get along with these detractors.

We have shown them the door many times. If they want peace, all they have to do is leave our SC threads.

watchman_2

05-17-2007, 10:28 PM

fof,

You wrote:
*****
it is the hate that i object to and find threatening.

personally i think this has gone on long enough.
*****

You are more than correct. It has gone on way too long. We have spent countless hours educating godchild on the scriptures. She will have none of that.

We have kindly informed her of the scriptures to depart [kick the dust off her feet] if she is not welcome [and she is not]. She promised to leave; but, then came back to disrupt the Word of God again.

We have jeered her and pointed out her many contradictions and lies. We all have even prayed for her from time to time.

Of course, none of that works because she is a worker of iniquity -- that is her purpose here. Since none of the other measures work, I even suggest that she be turned over to the devil to work on her in hope that she will come to see her evil ways before it is too late.

No one hates her personally -- we just hate what she does. For some come here that disagree with us; but, they can conduct themselves in a respectful manner. They come and go as friends.

It is God's will that all come to repentance -- that includes godchild.

watchman_2

05-18-2007, 03:40 PM

franklin,

What about the live-bearing snakes? Are those baby snakes worthy of life?

smyrna

05-19-2007, 12:59 AM

Stage Director's oversimplified and presumptuous versions of what the SC teaches are either designed to deceive, or she is just simply incapable of treating the teachings in a postive manner, due to her blindess, a blindess which is due to to her hatred of the SC.

After all, do we really expect her to be honest about the SC in any way, shape or form, when she has spent hours authoring posts that attack the Murray's personally, complete with FALSE accusations that she refuses to offer evidence for?

Maybe she can run us by her own thoughts about Christianity as a whole, and then we can re-orient ourselves to her entire perceived puropose for being here in the first place.

After all, it is clear she is not focused on maintaining a moral stance that includes recognizing that bearing false witness is un-christianlike behavior, as is lying, as is deliberatly misrepresenting Chapel teachings.

oneway

05-24-2007, 01:29 AM

stage_director,

you stated:"Oneway, most of the students didn't turn to Shepherd's Chapel with cold hearts and
screwed up egos. They went there with the desire to know more about what the word
of God really says and wanting to be closer to Him."

Please don't misunderstand me. I am fully aware of the sc teachings and most I don't agree with nor could I ever agree with. When I understand something to be truth in God's word such as Cain being Adam's son,
I'm not about to twist or pervert that truth with a lie straight from the pit of hell, such as the lie that satan is Cain's legit father.
But I just have to question the tactics that we are using here to supposedly change hearts and minds of these scers. How long have these debates been going on in here? A couple of years maybe?
How many of these scers have changed their minds and believe what the bible really says, that Cain
is Adam's legit son? Even tho we all confess to be Christians, I believe that more times than not, we fail to bring Christ in here with us. I know I have failed to do so, many times. It has to be all about Christ and thru Christ, or it's about nothing and accomplishes nothing and only gets worse.

wls

05-24-2007, 12:01 PM

"And that is my point to the SCers. Love all Jews! Love all blacks and orientals. We are all
one race. The human race. God did not create one sub race, white, black or yellow to
be special! Not at all. God created only one Adam and Eve and all sub races descended
from those two. There are no spawn of satan."

Exactly! Franklin, your style is questionable sometimes, but what you wrote here explains why you are here. And I agree with everything you wrote in this statement. It pretty much says it all.

Christians are supposed to love their "fellow man" assuming that they (the fellow man) love the Lord.

However, denying the fact that God created the races of mankind different is downright folly. It has nothing to do with not "loving" God's other Creations.

One either believes in the Bible or they don't. You can choose to accept the fact that God made his creations the way He wanted them from the beginning, OR you can choose to believe some man-made doctrine like evolution to explain the sciences of this Earth age. You can't do both.

terluvire

05-24-2007, 01:07 PM

WLS said:
Christians are supposed to love their "fellow man" assuming that they (the fellow man) love the Lord.

However, denying the fact that God created the races of mankind different is downright folly. It has nothing to do with not "loving" God's other Creations.

One either believes in the Bible or they don't. You can choose to accept the fact that God made his creations the way He wanted them from the beginning, OR you can choose to believe some man-made doctrine like evolution to explain the sciences of this Earth age. You can't do both.

Amen WLS!!

Or they can believe, a man-made doctorine, as Franklin has informed us, that the races resulted from genetic defects.

I choose to believe God created all the races wonderfully, exactly the way he wanted them. God's way gives dignity to all races.

angie0401

05-24-2007, 09:22 PM

s_d said:
You esteem yourselves before others based on the fact you're white.
That's rather presumptuous of you, isn't it? Which of us are white, s_d? Which of us are bi-racial? Which of us have spouses/loved ones that are a different race than us? What race are YOU?

NEWFLASH! I AM special because my Father loves me (and not because of my race) and He created me EXACTLY the way He wanted me - not because of evolution, genetic defects or a "curse" like some of YOU would have people believe.

s_d said:
QUOTE
God created all the races wonderfully, exactly the way he wanted them.
END QUOTE

Those are Murray's words, and Murray's reasoning and Murray's prejudice. It's sinful that you people would try to attribute them to God.

Murray's prejudice?? Because we believe God created ALL the races EXACTLY like He wanted them??? How silly and biased can you get??
So you think God didn't create the races wonderfully, exactly the way He wanted them?
Do you think that the different races are genetic defects or "mistakes"???
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

It must be hard to live with such a grudge and/or vendetta against another person like you seem to have against Pastor Murray and anyone associated with Shepherd's Chapel.

saygoodnightgracie

05-25-2007, 01:15 PM

One last thought for me on this SC thread for awhile...
Dowen's post is excellent - I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
Anti-cult groups are great, WHEN they are attacking CULTS. Christians attacking other Christians is the work of the devil. I have fought that on Factnet for several years by a variety of methods.
I've seen all of the long, rambling posts about Paul correcting Peter, and Jesus correcting the Pharisees, etc. I'm not sure if the "attack dogs" are aware but they aren't Paul, they aren't Peter and they most definitely are NOT Jesus. Cult awareness groups ought to stick to cults, not Christians/Churches/Ministries that preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified as my substitute.
Christians need to quit telling each other they're not Christians and attacking each other.
Thanks again Dowen, GREAT POST.
It would be interesting to see if there would be support for a website or web forum dedicated to good Christians who's Pastors/Churches/Ministries are being unjustly targeted and attacked by anti-cult wolves. Something with a similar format as CB or FN, but in support of Defenders of the Faith. A place where a Christian could give testimony of the good a ministry or a minister has done in their lives and the impact that these ministers and ministries are making on a lost and dying world.
PS Speaking of credibility, neither Dowen (as best as I can tell from my dealings with him) or I are SC students or agree with their doctrine unilaterally. As neutral parties however, both of us see a distinct lack of the Love and the Compassion of Christ in the "detractors" posts.

smyrna

05-25-2007, 04:41 PM

WLS,

Good post. I too have wondered what inspires the detractors, and I'm not just talking about the Cultblunderers.

After all, we have absolute proof that some of the detractors that have websites have knowingly and intentionally lied about the Shepherd's Chapel

All the folks that do this claim to be Christians.
Want one example?

Read the Answer to Critics on the SC site. Then go to Cultlink.org

Check out the allegations on Cultlink about the SC with the Answer to Critics.

I've mentioned this example before here. Of course, it doesn't convince the detractors that Bill Alnor, publisher of Cultlink, is a liar.

The lunacy begins when they try and defend him.

Murray is the one who is lying, they will say.

Or they disappear and pretend they never read the evidence.

Or, they change the subject.

Or, they focus on one accusation and ignore the others, trying to divert attention from the strongest evidence.

Now for Alnor. I wrote him and challenged him to a debate. I told him he was being dishonest, and pointed him to the SC site.

He sent me some outdated old form message. It was not and auto-reply. He did it on purpose, because he didn't want to face the fact he was lying, and he knows he is lying.

That's only one site. As has been noted in recent days, there used to be a site called www.scripture_truth.homestead.com (http://www.scripture_truth.homestead.com) That was full of lies about the SC as well.

The publisher deleted the site, after myself and Watchman (and a few others) brought evidence she was lying over and over to the "guestbook" she had open on that site. She selectively edited the posts, so that only anti-chapel posts remained.

Are these tactics worthy of people who claim to be Christians? Lying, manipulating, and using other dishonest tricks?

Really, if they are so correct about the SC, why do they need to lie? They have been caught so many times doing this that it cannot be denied, even though they will tell you they never lie.

The lies are documented not only here, but on other sites as well, as you can see.

But this is my point: They are so zealous, and so dishonest in their zealousness, that it almost seems supernatural, i.e. demonic.

Especially when you add the FACT that the CB detractors actually denied satan exists!

I really think there is a supernatural element at work. I not only believe satan exists, but that he and his demonic hordes are pressing their attack on all Christians.

Look at the state of Churches today. But all is not lost, as Christ said the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church.

Whether you accept the Church He was talking about is the Catholic Church, or if you claim he is talking about all Christians, even ones who claim satan does not exist, the fact remains is that Christianity will not lose to an unbelieving world, and that religious institutions will survive, though they will not always be held in favor by Christ, as we read in Rev. 2 & 3.

wls

05-26-2007, 02:54 AM

Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

This "mist" is the morning dew that watered the earth.

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The word "formed" is used [molded as clay] to describe the making of Adam. When man was formed he became a living creature. In the Hebrew it is "eth-ha-adham", which refers to the particular person "Adam", (not a generic form for man). The "Ha-Adham" [Adam] is the man that Christ will come forth through. Matthew 1:1-17, and Luke 3:23-38 both give us our documentation that this is true and did come to pass. Paul states in I Corinthians 15:21-23 that sin came into the world by the first Adam, but by the second Adam [Christ} all shall be made alive. Christ is the first fruits [to come out of the grave to everlasting life], and then "they that are Christ's at His coming". There was death by the first Adam, and salvation by Christ Himself.

Genesis 2:8 "(And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed."

In this "Eden" which God had formed, He put "eth-ha adham" [not any man, but "the Adam"]. This is the man "Adam" formed from clay in Genesis 2:7, and not the "male and female" of the races of the sixth day creation of Genesis 1:27-28. Eden is a special place that God made, following the seventh day of rest, for a special man called Adam.

God first created the wilderness, then the creatures, followed by male and female of all races; and then He rested. This Adam is of the eighth day creation, when God formed Adam, and we will see that when Cain went to the wilderness, he married into the sixth day creation's offspring.

smyrna

05-26-2007, 03:49 AM

WLS,

You should be commended for trying, but you can see what Frankie would rather believe in. His own favorite commentary that he got from onehumanrace.com
the one that said all races didn't come from God, but from built-in genetic mistakes.

If you haven't read that site, grab some popcorn, but be prepared to spit it out when you start laughing. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Oh yeah, Frankie is just a frustrated black guy, a victim of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's "poor me baby, I'm just a victim of the evil white man" syndrome.

Those guys make millions out of duping their own people into blaming everything on us "lily white" folks, as Frankie calls us.

stage_director

05-28-2007, 09:54 AM

Abi ... There were no chapters in the original texts. What you read in Chapter 1 is explained in the fourth verse of Chapter 2 ...

Gen 2:4
4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

In other words, this is the history or account of the days of creation. Then the bible continues and provides the details concerning the creation of man ... God made the earth with the intent that man would inhabit it.

Murray's claim that Adam was formed while other men were created doesn't hold up either. God formed, made and created man period ... and he formed, made and created Adam.

Isa 43:7
7 [Even] every one that is called by my name: for I have CREATED him for my glory, I have FORMED him; yea, I have MADE him.

Isa 43:1
1 But now thus saith the LORD that CREATED thee, O Jacob, and he that FORMED thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called [thee] by thy name; thou [art] mine.

Isa 44:2
2 Thus saith the LORD that MADE thee, and FORMED thee from the womb, [which] will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

The difference between adam and ha adam is that one refers to mankind in general, and one refers to "the" man Adam. Naturally, when the bible speaks about Adam, himself ... he's referred to as "the" adam, his name is the same as what he is ... None of this indicates an eighth day creation of a new species of man.

terluvire

05-29-2007, 01:57 PM

Oneway,

You said:
Verse 26 reveals that God has a plan. Genesis CH 2
gives a more detailed look at this plan.

This is how I see it:

Gen.1
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God created the animals

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God created Mankind, both males and females

Gen 2
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God forms the man Adam

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

God forms animals

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
God forms the woman.

The order of creation in both chapters:
Gen 1:
Animals
Mankind, both males and females

Gen 2:
The man Adam
animals
Eve

Oneway, please show me in detail how you see these 2 chapters line up. How do you see that they are both speaking of the same event?

watchman_2

05-29-2007, 02:19 PM

oneway,

You wrote:
*****
One man becomes mankind and becomes them after Eve is created in verse 27. It says it plain as day. Verse 28, God blesses them and tells them to be fruitful and multiply. Who is them? Genesis CH 2 reveals that answer.
Verse 26 reveals that God has a plan. Genesis CH 2
gives a more detailed look at this plan.
*****

Please refer to my previous two posts to stage_director above.

If the mankind contemplated in Gen. 1:26 was Adam and Eve, then you run into scriptural conflict -

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

The woman, later to be named Eve because she was pregnant [Gen. 3:20], was purposed so that Adam would not be alone -- not to fulfill the purposes of mankind in Gen. 1:26.

You also run into conflict with Gen. 1:27, which states that God created male AND [not then] female. Gen. 2 clearly puts forth Adam ahead of Eve in time and divine act.

In addition, Gen. 2:18-19 conflicts with Gen. 1:25-27 in the order of creation. Gen. 1 account places animals ahead of man. Gen. 2 places Adam and Eve ahead of animals.

Remember, we had this discussion months ago. You, and your like-minded detracting Bible revisionists, only PRESUME that Gen. 1:26 and 27 are speaking of Adam and Eve. The scriptures do not state this!

Subsequently, in order to prove your theory, the burden of proof falls upon you and your like-minded detracting Bible revisionists to justify your theory and to meet the burden of reproof [II Tim. 3:16]. The different purposes of the man in Gen. 1:26 and Gen. 2:5 trips you up every time. So, does the other anomalies addressed herein. Your theory can never hold true.

Hence, if one rightly divides the Word [II Tim. 2:15], one can only dismiss your position as Bible fallacy -- a tradition of man that makes void the word of God.

oneway

05-31-2007, 05:15 AM

"Firstly, I don't see where God "formed" anything in Gen.1. The
word "formed" didn't come
into play until Gen. 2:7"

Ok, let's see if this is the case.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
Genesis 1:1 *In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.
2 *And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face of the waters

Psalms 90:2 *Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever
thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from
everlasting to everlasting, thou art God

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
Genesis 1:9 *And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be
gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear:
and it was so.
10 *And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering
together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was
good.

Psalms 95:5 *The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands
formed the dry land.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++

This is what I like about the scriptures. You can find answers
that gives more details of partucular events. So why would Gen
ch 2 need to be different? It's just providing more details of
what took place within the 6 days of creation.
I'm sure I could provide more scriptures that indicates that
God did form things in Gen 1 but I'm not wanting to go
overboard with my point.

"Second, God did create all the races in Gen.1. Adam was not
exactly a new race, but he
was a new man for a new purpose, which was
to till the ground. Please show in Gen. 1
where God told any to till the ground."

That's easy since Gen ch 2 takes place in Gen ch 1. There is no
other way to answer your question correctly. It is in Gen ch 2
which is a more detailed look at what took place within the 6
days of creation.

stage_director

05-31-2007, 05:22 AM

Isa 43:7
7 [Even] every one that is called by my name: for I have CREATED him for my glory, I have FORMED him; yea, I have MADE him.

terluvire

06-01-2007, 02:31 AM

Hi Oneway,

Sorry it took so long with my reply. I've been really busy today and tonight. I just got home.

I'll reply tomorrow when I'm not so tired and have more time.

Thanks for taking the time to post your response.

Ter

terluvire

06-01-2007, 02:59 PM

Oneway,

My mistake, I should have said "I don't see, prior to Chapter 2, that God formed man or animals."

In Gen. 1, God created mankind. In Gen.2, God formed man.

In Gen.1, God created the animals. In Gen.2, God formed the animals.

In Gen.2, there is no mention of God forming animals until AFTER Adam. Then after God formed the animals, he then made Eve.

There is no way you can fit this into Gen.1

A side by side comparison of order of events in Gen.1 and Gen.2:

Gen.1******************Gen.2
1.)animals****************1.)Adam
2.)man, [both males*********2.)animals
and females]************************
*************************3.)Eve

How do you explain these differences?

stage_director

06-01-2007, 05:19 PM

Isa 43:7
7 [Even] every one that is called by my name: for I have CREATED him for my glory, I have FORMED him; yea, I have MADE him.

smyrna

08-24-2007, 05:32 PM

Bumping this thread for the purpose of showing how Godchild let the "light of Christ shine through her (original post is here) by making snide comments about Ter's MS, her father's illness, and calling people fat, cold bich, etc.

Please refer to the Just For You, Smyrna thread to see how this bumping came to the forefront today, August 24th.

stage_director

08-24-2007, 08:24 PM

Semper in excremento ... sole profundum qui variat.
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smyrna

08-24-2007, 09:10 PM

damnant quod non intelligunt

stage_director

08-24-2007, 09:21 PM

But I'm a lot smarter than you, dude ... ;-)

smyrna

08-24-2007, 09:44 PM

nonnullus dies vos mos suggero substantia

stage_director

08-24-2007, 09:55 PM

lol Quando podeces te regi eorum fecerunt?

stage_director

08-25-2007, 03:32 AM

lol Is this someone from the same little coven who told what they thought was a private group how I never, ever post scripture verses on Factnet? (Like I'd sizzle or something if I quoted the bible ...) Now, let me see ... I bet it wouldn't take me more than three guesses to tell you which one's rearranged the truth this time ...
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jeff_franklin

08-25-2007, 06:08 AM

Oh yeah, that li'l imposter "JesusisLord" cult apologist SCer slithering around Cultbusters poo pooing anyone who spoke against cults. The old cultist "touch not my anointed" man worshipper's garbage.

I remember that post though I had nothing to do with it's deletion. It was a flaming post that deserved to be deleted and it did NOT contain one smidgin' of scripture in it.

Just another racist like saygoodnightgracie polluting the pages of Cultbusters.

You've got that post of JesusisLord's that was deleted, smeagle. Why don't you post it here for all to see. Let's see you speak with a forked tongue some more.

smyrna

08-25-2007, 04:59 PM

First of all, Frankie, that person said there was more than one post where the Bible verses were deleted. Secondly, your excuses of "flaming" "rude" "racist" are used so often they are generic for any post you don't like.

Neil made a huge mistake allowing a nutcase like you near his website, let alone give you any authority.

Even Arron has complained about being censored over there.

Speaking of racists, I think Godchild needs to get with you about another racist group, that you better go after with the same zeal you go after the SC, because if you don',t I'll be all over you like a new suit.

I'll expose you for the serpentine hypocrite and cowardly idiot you are, more than I ever have before.

My wish today is you ignore me, I'm really hoping you do, because I, as well as the other SC students, will have a field day.

So go ahead Frankie, and that goes for the other CBers make my day!

Today is awesome, come on Frankie, don't disappoint me! Get after them, hurry, and take your bumbling crew with you!

One way or the other, you are TOAST!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

godchild

09-25-2007, 04:42 PM

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smyrna
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Username: smyrna

Post Number: 1695
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Godchild is showing just how ridiculous she is. She has no problem going on and on about something she obviously knows nothing about.

The rented venues are only for two meetings per year: Passover and Fall Fellowship. And that is because more than two and even three thousand people have attended these meetings.

The rest of the year the Church in Gravette is used, and as I said, holds at least 400.
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So which was it? Either the "girls" stretched the truth, saying the passover meeting was held in the "church", smyrna lied about the rented halls because all the people wouldn't fit, there aren't near as many people attending as they all claim because they wouldn't all "fit", or the scer's just love to stretch the truth. Will we now hear they "added onto" the metal building for the "thousands" who attend? Or will they say they only meant to prove there is a "church building", and not that the "passover meeting" is held there? No matter, it is all "stretching the truth". One final reason: smyrna obviously knows nothing about it. If that is the case, I'll leave it to the "girls" to correct him.

stage_director

09-25-2007, 08:05 PM

The "church" building is little more than a stage set, and there is definitely nowhere near 400 seats in it, although it could hold that many. There's a service there twice a month because that's the minimum the law allows, almost all the offices in it are empty of furniture. In another building employees package up the tapes and books that have been ordered by members for shipping, kind of a mini assembly line sort of thing ... and it stays busy.

Btw ... next time some of you Sheppies visit Gravette take a good look at the greenery that surrounds the Chapel ... the lawn, trees, etc. Ever notice how sparse everything is and how the plants always seem to be dead or rotting? I don't know what the explanation is, but it is a very odd thing.

smelltheroses

09-25-2007, 10:02 PM

This is a real shame, how Godchild and Stage Director have now stooped so low, they are talking about the Chapel complex. When we went to Gravette, we saw the Church, but the Passover meeting was held in Branson, and that is a known fact. So it is a lie to say that the Passover meeting was held in Gravette.
Stage Director, can easily verify that this is the truth by talking to any of her connections at such venues as the Shepherd's Chapel forums at Yahoo, that she has claimed she goes on, but she won't, because she knows that the truth will be known.
Stage Director even goes lower than Godchild, claiming that everything is drab and dreary at the Chapel.

Wikipedia:Shepherds Chapel holds a meeting of students twice a year. Passover in the spring, 14 days after the spring equinox according to the solar calendar and Fall Fellowship in September, around Christs actual birthday on the 22nd, and known as the Feast of Tabernacles. Passover is held at the Grand Palace in Branson, Missouri, Fall Fellowship is held at The Holiday Inn Convention Center in Springdale Arkansas. People come from all over the world to these meetings. Security is strict at these meetings with many bodyguards on duty. Arrangements to go have to be made and approved by the church authorities in advance. (e.g. just so that the attendance can be estimated. Anyone who doesn't think so can just get on the mailing list, send in their form that you wish to attend, and you will be sent a pass with no questions asked) The dates are published in the monthly newsletter. There are people of all races at the gatherings.

As for this greenery issue,(very sad)she probably went there in February, when the whole state looks that way! LOL! Anytime I've been there, it was really nice and green, but no matter, Stage Director will say I'm lying, but really, who cares?
At least she admitted the mail room is very busy. It shows their anti-chapel campaign and that of anyone else on the Internet isn't working.

stage_director

09-26-2007, 01:15 AM

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the Passover meeting was held in Branson, and that is a known fact. So it is a lie to say that the Passover meeting was held in Gravette. Stage Director, can easily verify that this is the truth
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I never said it wasn't. It's been held in Branson for close to ten years now. I think a few FFs were held in Gravette after that.

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Arrangements to go have to be made and approved by the church authorities in advance. (e.g. just so that the attendance can be estimated. Anyone who doesn't think so can just get on the mailing list, send in their form that you wish to attend, and you will be sent a pass with no questions asked)
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lol Well, now, that's not true. Any known opponent of Shep Chap will not get a pass if they know your name, and you probably won't if you haven't been subscribed to the newsletter. Shepherd's Chapel is very much aware of what goes on with the student forums, and the places it's members frequent ... Just about every site has people from the Chapel signed on and reporting. A good friend of mine had a SC site several years ago and was informed they were there. They very carefully watch the internet.

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she probably went there in February, when the whole state looks that way!
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Yeah, I suppose that might be the case if a person hasn't spent as much time in the Ozarks as I have. ;-)

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but no matter, Stage Director will say I'm lying
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No, not necessarily ... I'm sure it's something most people don't even notice. But I'll bet you pay more attention in the future ...

smelltheroses

09-26-2007, 02:37 PM

Stage Director claims that the Shepherd's Chapel will not allow "known" opponents into the bi-annual meetings. She claims that they are "aware" of what goes on in student forums. The problem with that, is that no one uses their real names.
She additionally claims that the Chapel will not give you a pass if you are not on the mailing list. I don't think that is true, but the applications for the passes are sent to all who are on the mailing list well before the meetings, so if you are not on the mailing list, you won't get a pass, though I've seen "walk ins" get them, but they are told everyone else needs to be seated first. It's about capacity of the venue, and not who is who.
To close, there have been to no, that means zero, Fall Fellowship or Passover meetings at the Gravette Church in the last ten years, closer to twelve, and the burden of proof is on the accuser.