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godchild

04-05-2007, 06:02 PM

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Re: Thoughts on Arnold Murry & The Shepherd's Chapel?

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Arnold Murray is a fine DSL teacher:

I visit the Shepherd's Chapel about once a year.
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Re: Arnold Murray

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I enjoy learning with Pastor Murray. He presents scripture book by book, chapter by chapter, verse by verse. In my humble opinion, this is the only way to study scripture and get the whole hearted understanding of it. There are things he believes and preaches that are not released on the TV show outright. For example: He follows dual seedline tradition, but this is disclosed on his website. http://www.shepherdschapel.org/answers.htm Although I do not follow DSL position, I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater, he is a great teacher of the Word.

He does not appear racist, but I mean that only in the 'hateful' meaning of the word. He is anything from politically correct, but I have not found him to be overtly hateful. His congregation has followers of all races. This not withstanding, and if I remember correctly, he believes in the separate creation of races and the identity of the twelve tribes (Being White Europeans). All in all, on television, he is about as good as it gets (If you are CI, AI, or BI that is) and his encouragement and diligence has brought much insight to my study of the scriptures. I find I study more often, and have more bible studies with my family after watching him too.

God Bless Pastor Murray.
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godchild

04-05-2007, 06:13 PM

Perhaps you have seen a different program than I. The kenites he refers to are the jews of today, having infiltrated the priesthood long ago. He sees kenites as being sons of cain following the DSL theology. He distinguishes Judah, the true Judah, from the false judah by the word kenites. He identifies Germany as Judah.

God Bless

Edit: I feel I should state that in no way am I speaking on the Pastor's behalf, I do not know him nor he I, but the above is rather what I take away from his teachings. Thank you.
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Last edited by revapocalypse : 04-05-2006 at 05:49 AM.
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godchild

04-05-2007, 06:15 PM

cont.
Very well put. I have never heard him say that before. I stand corrected. He is right, we must be wise as the serpent people. He can not say what he said in that off air piece, and stay on TV. That's a fact. It is interesting he used the term I use in my book "IsraeLIE" I too beleive many in Germany are of Judah, as well as the breach that was menden when my great,great,great....(to the umptenth power) Grand mother married the Eiochaid Herremon (another Great Grandfather of mine) direct anticendant of mine (according to the geneology of Charles A.L. Toten, in 1897. of Ireland when brought thier by (possibly her grandfather, Jerimiah the Prophet).

From the sixth chapter of the book I'm writing.

Quote:
It is said that the Herremon ( High King) of Ireland married Tea Tephi the very next day after their arrival, at the Hill of Tara, and fulfilled the prophecy, preserving the Zarah line, which was marked by a “scarlet thread”, to the Pharez line that was uprooted and planted by Jeremiah the Prophet.* We find much about the Zarah line already being in Ireland when we look to a very old book entitled “Our Race” written by Charles A.L. Totten in 1897.* According to a genealogical diagram found in No. 5 of "Our Race" we have the following:
* Judah, begat Zarah; Zarah, begat Ethan; Ethan, begat Mahol; Mahol, begat Calcol; Calcol, begat Gadhol; Gadhol, begat Easru; Easru, begat Sru; Sru, begat Heber Scot; Heber Scot, begat Boamhain; Boamhain, begat Ayhaimhain; Ayhaimhain, begat Tait; Tait, begat Aghenoin; Aghenoin, begat Feabla Glas; Feabla Glas, begat Neanuail; Neanuail, begat Nuaghadh; Nuaghadh, begat Alloid; Alloid, begat Earchada, Earchada, begat Deagfatha; Deagfatha, begat Bratha; Bratha, begat Broegan; Broegan, begat Bille; Bille, begat Gallam (or William, the conqueror of Ireland); Gallam, begat Herremon, (who married Tea Tephi) and Heber and Ambergin his two brothers.

I agree with a great deal of what he says in that message you sent me. Never heard any other teachings than on air teachings. I still beleive the (New JerUSAlem) is right here, based on his own words of the (unwalled villages) he uses in in the Q&A you sent me. Thank You, very enlightening, and quite different that what is "perviece" of what he teaches on TV.

The Holy Spirit has put it on me again to warn you about casting blessings openly. You never know who you are talking to here, except with the TOTAL gift of dicernment of the Holy Spirit. I do so only as friendly advice.

Quote:
II Chronicles 19:2 ".....Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD."

Quote:
2nd John 2:9 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:"

Thank you very much.
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godchild

04-05-2007, 06:21 PM

cont.
hehe Tim, i'll have to listen to that again and pay attention to the 'gook' part.

The way I see it, Murray refers to the State of Israel as having 2 baskets of figs, namely Judah and Jews, and distinguishes between the two. Whenever he says the word "jew" he emphasizes that he is NOT referring to our brother Judah. It puzzles me how people can twist Murray's words into saying that he believes Judah is the Jews.

I believe he has toned down his teaching due to pressure from those who control broadcast licenses. If I were in his shoes and was being told to either stop teaching about the jews or lose my license, I would take his approach because at least he's still getting some truth out. He also encourages his listeners to dig deeper on their own and not to take his word for things. That's why many SC students take the next step and start studying with Identity pastors like Swift, Camparet, and others.

by purelily
from her website:
It's not a hate doctrine, it's an identity doctrine;
because if you don't know who's who (and who's Jew) you won't understand the word.
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am really has some righteous people amonge his members, doesn't he? After all, they claim to study with him, obviously they are learning this rascist crap from him and their "family members", (those that study with him too).

Here's a fair question for the scers here. Do they visit with these people at the "passover meetings"? Do you learn new things during your "fellowship", things you may not have learned before?

smyrna

04-05-2007, 06:25 PM

"He does not appear racist, but I mean that only in the 'hateful' meaning of the word. He is anything from politically correct, but I have not found him to be overtly hateful. His congregation has ***followers of all races."***

SMYRNA: I'm happy Godchild brought this up. It serves a twofold purpose.

It shows that Godchild has been lying about Pastor Murray being a racist, and hateful:

..."I have not found him to be overtly hateful. His congregation has ***followers of all races.***

This is a testimony from someone who is NOT a student of the Chapel.

Secondly, and most important,even Godchild highlighted it:

",,,he believes in the separate creation of races and the identity of the twelve tribes (Being White Europeans)"

So do millions of other people who think that a common ancestor is a ridiculous notion, since that would mean a belief in evolution, which is a THEORY.

In Godchild's mind, God Himself is a racist!
That notion isn't too far away from believing that God has satan carry out HIS (as in God's) "evil instructions" an idea that Godchild ALSO DID NOT DISAGREE WITH on the Let's Talk About Satan thread at CB!

For thousands of years, different tribes and peoples did not interbreed, and no one is calling them racists!

Why isn't Godchild ranting and raving to the whole world, that we are ALL racists, unless someone from each and every family marries and has children with someone other than their own race?

Because unless every family on the planet does that, then they MUST be racists, according to Godchild's stupid attempts at reasoning.!

Godchild can try and get back at us with all this ridiculous rehashing of things we have debated over and over, but NOTHING will erase her LIES!
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In ADDITION,

The poster that Godchild is quoting offered this:

"Edit: I feel I should state that in no way am I speaking on the Pastor's behalf, I do not know him nor he I, but the above is rather what I take away from his teachings. Thank you."

SMYRNA:

Is that all you got, Godchild? Do you really think bringing up all these things you tried and failed to convince anyone with before, will erase or nullify the thread that shows you to be a LIAR?

Because if you think it will, not only do I urge you to keep it up, it will show just how stupid and ridiculous you are.

There is NOTHING short of contacting the NAACP or the JDL or some similar nationally known group, that will convince anyone that your silly accusations are correct.

You and Franklin and anyone who joins you in your false accusations are cowards who will not face yourselves.

If you really though you were right about your allegations, you would have tried to get the NAACP or JDL on your side YEARS ago.

But you are so afraid your LIFE will be over if they don't agree,you just keep on accusing with no expert collaborators to join you.

So keep accusing. It is just another false accusation, just like your accusation that the SC did not have it's own Church building.

Except in this case, you need to prove it in the only way it would matter.

So send your accusations to the JDL and NAACP, and see if they will agree with you. No excuses!

skooter942000

04-05-2007, 06:27 PM

- 'i' like to breathe fresh clean AIR,
- (So do EVIL PEOPLE).

- What a coincidence. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

Another unfounded Guilt by association
message from gc.

Try something NEW.

...Where is the LOVE?

We are to LOVE OUR ENEMIES.
(...It is written)

You never show this CHRIST-LIKE TRAIT.
- To those . "who you CALL", - your ENEMY!!!

- Wonder why!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Color some more Eggs,
and sow your LIES to others.

What a GOOD-WORK this is,
- (For the ENEMY) - I.E. satan

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in
Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax
worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which
thou hast learned and hast been assured of,
knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known
the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee
wise unto salvation through faith which is in
Christ Jesus.

- BEWARE OF PEOPLE (HATERS)

- Like gc (VIVIAN HAYDEN)
- THE LIAR and FALSE ACCUSER

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust
still: and he which is filthy, let him be
filthy still: and he that is righteous,
let him be righteous still: and he that is holy,
let him be holy still.

Rev 22:12 ¶ And, behold, I come quickly;
and my reward [is] with me, to give every man
according as his work shall be.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end, the first and the last.

Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his
commandments, that they may have right to the
tree of life, and may enter in through the gates
into the city.

Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs,
and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, ......and idolaters,
......and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

AMEN & AMEN

godchild

04-05-2007, 08:44 PM

I realize some of this has been discussed here before. I want to be sure every person who comes here sees this. Best way is a new thread.

Sometimes the factnet program just doesn't cooperate and winds up posting twice. It wasn't intentional, believe it or not. Tra-li-la!

You'll just have to GET OVER IT!

Remember yesterday when I said we need to get back to the important subjects? Hense, this new thread. Why should just certain students of am/sc have their posts read here? There are good and bad in any group, wouldn't you agree? I think its good that at least those people are honest about what they believe. Only thing is, they think they are Christian too, just like many of these scers, including am/sc. Retract that. I think am knows full well the Word he preaches is foreign to the Lord and unacceptable; an abomination in His sight.

Sorry! You'll just have to GET OVER IT!

ISN'T IT A BEAUTIFUL DAY? THANK YOU LORD FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY.

I just read part of smearna's post. What does it mean when someone says "he's not overly hateful? It means he's hateful, just not overly hateful. Now, coming from a Jew hater, what do you think that means. Any negative against other races is positive to them. What a bonehead!

godchild

04-05-2007, 08:54 PM

Poor smearna, He repeats portions of what he sees. He lied again when he said the person is not a student of am/sc. Read it again. Quote: I enjoy learning with Pastor Murray.

Just because someone hasn't met am obviously doesn't mean they aren't a student. After all, am goes out over the air (hot air http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif).

I doubt that one-third of the scers who post here have ever MET am in person. smearna is either very dumb or is playing at it. Either way, he's a dolt.

smyrna

04-05-2007, 09:04 PM

Godchild's focus on trivia is yet another tactic to divert attention for the thread that is FULL of her lies, both little ones and HUGE lies that she denied over and over!

But thats ok, because her focus on who and who is not a Chapel student is silly. The main point is that SHE was stupid enough to post favorable opinions of the Chapel, and anyone who read that person's quotes would assume he was not a longtime or regular watcher of the program.

So stuff it, Godchild. You are really looking terrible in the light of our new thread, and it's only going to get better!

smyrna

04-06-2007, 03:13 AM

She's still at it!

Now Godchild is posting quotes from Tracing Our Ancestors, on CB.

She quotes:

"It must be noticed that there is a great difference between the three principal races of mankind...and there exists little relationship between the three. The white race were unquestionably the last comers, being in every way superior to the other two and constituting their leaders and teachers."

Godchild wishes that the context she took her quotes from was one that was promoting racism.

But let's look at the paragraph.Does someone really want to dispute that there IS a difference in the three races? We certainly don't all look identical to each other!

I have the book, and really want to see what is in between the phrases quoted, since the anti-chapel sites that I looked up that had this very exact quote, and also did not include that was between those three "continuation marks":

"principal races of mankind...and there exists"

Because since all these sites do not fill it in, there can be something that would change the entire meaning of the two partial sentences.

We really can't trust these people. One site mentioned Bill Alnor,(cultlink) which I have proven beyond any doubt is a liar and coward, and I have mentioned this a few times on these threads.

Let's get back to what we can see. Then Godchild makes sure we see this:

"The white race were unquestionably the last comers, being in every way superior to the other two and constituting their leaders and teachers."

Again, we have to find the context of this statement. It is important. Especially because we know Godchild LOVES to take things out of context.

For instance, if he was talking about the "Old World" i.e Europe, it was true, that all the countries were ruled by Caucasians.

Speaking of Caucasians, maybe Godchild would like to study the etymology of the term.

Finally, on the Nizkor site, I found this list:

Some of the groups and movements which embrace "christian" Identity views and
pseudo-theology are: Identity Christians, Racial Covenant Identity, Racial
Identity, Anglo-Israelism, British Israelism, Israel Identity, Army of Israel,
Neo-Militia, Neo-Secessionist, Christian Separatist Church, Posse Comitatus,
Christian Posse Comitatus, Lost Tribes of the House of Israel, Yahshua's Word,
Yahweh's Children, Yahweh's Chosen, Sons of YHVH, Living Word Ministries,
Kingdom of Yahweh, Sacred Name, Jesus Only, Scriptures for America Worldwide,
Covenant Vision Ministry, and Kingdom Identity Ministries.'

SMYRNA:Now one would think that with the SC, clearly the largest and most visible "CI" and/or "BI" "racist" anti-semitic" group,as our detractors call it, reaching 12 million homes, and on TV EVERY weekday, it would be on the top of the list!

Maybe Godchild can come up with an explanation for us.

We'll be waiting.

godchild

04-06-2007, 05:16 PM

Ding, ding, ding! Wake up!

How many "buildings" for these groups have signs outside that say:

Identity Christians, Racial Covenant Identity, Racial Identity, Anglo Israelism, British Israelism, Israel Identity, Army of Israel, Neo-Militia, Neo-Secessionists. smearna asks why. Because they are all cowards who don't dare openly say what they preach; that they are rascist, bigoted, separatists. Now, if smearna or any scer wants to deny am/sc is certainly included in these groups, I can show numerous posts here and on their other sites where they claim they are the true Jews, that they are the "elect", that whites are superior, and other disgusting and offensive nonsense that has nothing to do with the purposes of God.

If smearna truly believes sc is the largest and most visible CI, BI, rascist, anti-semitic group, he's really in a la-la land. Where has am/sc ever been on national news like the kkk, skin-heads, etc. are continually. Give me a break. Get it through your head. Just because am may be able to reach 12 mil. people, does not mean 12 mil. are listening or watching him. He's a drop in the bucket for these larger groups. In fact, his ministerial license was signed by two of the more famous ones, REMEMBER! Like Kenneth Goth and who's the other one: the one that am admitted was a very close friend of his, while denying he received his doctorate from him. Wake up, smearna. You've been on the web too long. Take a break. Do something with your wife and STEP-daughter. It won't hurt you, you know. Take them to church, even if its the catholic one. God knows you need it, and they might be shocked at your effort.

godchild

04-06-2007, 05:27 PM

"The white race were unquestionably the last comers, being in every way superior to the other two and constituting their leaders and teachers."

Again, we have to find the context of this statement. It is important. Especially because we know Godchild LOVES to take things out of context.

For instance, if he was talking about the "Old World" i.e Europe, it was true, that all the countries were ruled by Caucasians.

Speaking of Caucasians, maybe Godchild would like to study the etymology of the term.

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lol. Maybe smearna would like to explain again how am teaches caucasians got their NAME after crossing the Caucasus mountains. Are scers now saying the people from the Old Testament were a different race BEFORE they crossed these mountains? The absurdity never ends!

You scers should read the bom. They teach the same crap. Men were white til they sinned, then they turned dark-skinned, (another race), then back again when they repented, then back again, and on and on. But eventually ALL the winners will be white gods. lolololololol joe smith studied the book of enoch too. Same screwed up myths taken as truth and twisted to try and convince Christians, not even people who have never believed, but Christians, that this is the TRUE interpretations of God's Word by men they say are specially chosen by God to be His End time messengers. These guys are a dime a dozen. Even Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were more famous and well loved by like-minded people, or those who were too hungry to resist.

smyrna

04-06-2007, 05:35 PM

Godchild wrote:

"Where has am/sc ever been on national news like the kkk, skin-heads, etc. are continually. Give me a break."

"If smearna truly believes sc is the largest and most visible CI, BI, rascist, anti-semitic group..."

She tried to sneak that in there. I DO NOT think it is such a group at all, and she nor her CB clown buddies cannot prove it,and never will.

Which is exactly my point! Because SC is NOT aligned with those groups. It obviously, because of its visibility EVERY DAY on GLOBAL TV, is NOT listed with those groups!

And that is WHY the SC has NOT been cited by national news, nor in the list I obtained for a website YOU cited!!

Godchild, I'm really sorry you are so stupid and silly. It really is sad to see someone author almost 5000 posts, and most of them are filled with nonsense, lies, and other forms of foolishness.

Also, YOU have NO CLUE how many people belong to these groups, so claiming otherwise is just another of your silly actions.

The FACT that NONE of those groups above have signs on their buildings, TV programs, etc. would place them in a SUBORDINATE role compared to the SC, IF the SC were indeed listed in that group, which it is NOT.

Now since the SC is NOT a racist organization, is NOT anti-semitic, and hasn't been recognized as such by any major national organization such as JDL, or ADL, or NAACP, it certainly would not belong in such a list, and IS NOT, and that was my point, which you just agreed with, whether you realized it or not.

So now you can take your silly, stupid self to your new Church today, and repent for all the false accusations that have been recorded here.

Otherwise don't bother going, because if you refuse to be honest with yourself, then forget about trying to be honest with God.

smyrna

04-06-2007, 05:48 PM

Godchild wrote:

'lol. Maybe smearna would like to explain again how am teaches caucasians got their NAME after crossing the Caucasus mountains. Are scers now saying the people from the Old Testament were a different race BEFORE they crossed these mountains? The absurdity never ends!"

I do agree with Godchild that "The absurdity never ends!" That is HER absurdity.

I guess the only way I can quickly address her stupid comments, is that perhaps she can tell us why any group associated with crossing the Caucasus mountains BEFORE they did so, would ever be referred to as Caucasians.

Furthermore, Pastor Murray didn't coin the term Caucasian, and neither did he dictate how the term has ever been used.

So I don't know what silly, stupid, and deceptive angle Godchild is coming from.

So maybe the next time she fills out any forms that ask her her race, if the form lists Caucasian, Negroid, Asian, etc. she can make her own box and label it: "I don't know, and quit being absurd!" http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

godchild

04-06-2007, 06:41 PM

I'm beginning to think smearna is so bored and has such an empty life, he's actually jealous that someone else has posted more than he has. I mean, he's obsessed with the weirdest things. Like how many posts I have. Why I have time to post if I am employed. Spending a whole year trying to get one scer to get a photo of a sc building. Doing a websearch on me to try and find out info on my family members and me, then posting this info on this site. Saying for months and months that he's going to "get back" at us by placing all kinds of nasty stuff about us at his website, which still hasn't been added to, lololol!! Re-registering at two websites he's been banned from (carm and season). Trying to reregister at another one but getting caught (cultbusters).

Is this a man or a boy? Is he on drugs? Does he need drugs? Says he has a family but ALL his time is spent here, even when he claims he's out on a boat being a "chef" (lol) for an oil company. Has a step-daughter who he doesn't consider his child. Who cares why he can't have his own biological children. I wonder, what "race" is she. Could that be why she's not called 'his'.

He'll come back and say he wasn't banned from the season. If that's true, why did he have to register TWICE? Come on. Get a life, get a grip. If you are seriously ill, I have family members that can come down and pray with you (if you like). Does am pray for smearna? Gee, I hope abi and whoever else went to passover asks him to; that is, if he's not too busy schmoosing for the camera with a black or asian person, for credibility (probably someone he paid $20 to pose with him, I see the gross income for his area isn't that great). lololol

Ladies at passover. Please don't post pix of you with a black or asian there. Save your money. I know how expensive it was for you all to be able to go. Don't waste your money. WE DON'T CARE!!!

Happy Easter, everyone! Please remember smearna in your prayers.

abi, Is that you on the right? lololol
Did you convince kenny he really would be offending the fig tree if he leaves his 'kenny avatar from SouthPark fame'. Have you lost sleep over it? Geez, lady. Do you know what 'legalism' is. I think you're the queen of it; at least for others. Please come on down from your ivory tower. Join the rest of the human race, lololol!

godchild

04-06-2007, 06:56 PM

smyrna

04-06-2007, 07:21 PM

Godchild mumbled:

"I mean, he's obsessed with the weirdest things. Like how many posts I have."

Smyrna: That's funny, coming from someone who actually had the nerve to tell ME to get a life, while she has twice as many posts on this board as well as CB!

"Why I have time to post if I am employed.'

Smyrna: Why Do you? Is your job that boring?

"Spending a whole year trying to get one scer to get a photo of a sc building.'

Smyrna:Now THERE is an exaggeration if I ever read one! Notice how she doesn't admit that SHE was the one who started the whole thing, with her silly allegation!

Oh, how she tries to escape the fact she is a liar.

It is weak, it is pathetic.

She doesn't even know the meaning of the simplest terms.

The she insinuates that black people or any other non-white that appears at the SC Passover meetings are paid and only $20, which means she thinks that these non white people are so poor and desperate, that they would actually work for $20 to cover up the alleged racism towards their own race.

How silly, how desperate on her part, to allege something so ludicrous. And may I add, what a racist attitude!

One more point: She is so stupid, she thinks that because I don't use Smyrna on the Season, that I had to register twice!

In one week, she has gone form claiming I was banned, to claiming that I have regsitere twice!

I've known Reines sicne way back in "97, I've even talked to her on the phone!

And if Godchild really thinks that I'm lying, she can certainly have Reine write to me using her Season email address. All I have to do is tell her my real name, she will certainly remember our days on the CARM boards, with so many people that are still on The Season!

So Godchild, you've got a lot of work to do, if you want to keep playing your silly games.

Notice she hasn't anything more to say about her stupid caucasian issue? Look what SHE brings up! Trivia!

You must have to pry your mouth open to get your shoe on.

Looks like you aren't making it to Church today.No matter, they probably don't have communion anyway.

godchild

04-07-2007, 07:54 PM

hey, scoot. Why don't you get off your pooped up soapbox and go make sure your figgers aren't posting more photos of hollywood celebs and calling them kenites. That was really a nasty, uncalled for, and rude, hateful thing for them to do, don't you agree. I appreciate that you chewed them out for that and didn't want to be a part of it 'any longer'.

Hey, did you silly girls get photos of am and his sons in their 'priestly garb' which bonehead insists is necessary to perform ordinances for the members? That would be a hoot! I wish I had thought of it sooner, so I could of asked you to take photos of your 'ha-ha' legs with a big sign over your 'upper torsos hiding your faces' saying "Just for you, godchild." Darn. But again, if they do wear all that 'priestly garb', you'll have to prove it, even if it takes you another year like the 'sc church building'. Boy, that bonehead. He's a pretty patient boy, isn't he. lololol Kind of lazy though. He keeps talking about adding to his little website but just never gets around to it. Well, its not important anyway. No big deal. No great loss! Did he get you girls to pop over there every once in awhile to bring his visitor numbers up. What a great idea. Ahem! Did you learn anything new, lololol! More hate language, like "stomp am critics." Boy, that's scary. What a great job he does, don't you think? Don't crack any eggs tomorrow, okay. In other words, don't you figgies bump your noggins. Just jesting, ha-ha!

Happy Easter!

godchild

04-07-2007, 07:59 PM

smyrna

04-07-2007, 08:05 PM

Godchild can't tell whether she is referring to the Catholic Church or the SC. She blends everything together.

Just another silly, stupid thing she says, while she is ignoring me.

Maybe we can add her new definition of "ignore" to her dictionary. Since she said she was going to ignore me "from now on" which was yesterday, she has mentioned me or something I said in nearly every post she has written, both here and at Cultbusters!

I knew I was going to get a lot of mileage out of that:
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"Who cares if am/sc has a church building? I think smyrna is lying about it."- Godchild

"...whose ministry *****is not held in any building****...." -Godchild

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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/terluvire/SC/SCinfrontofthechurch.jpg

Funny, in a sick kind of way, huh, Godchild and Rachel? Stick around for more, I know you will!

"Unless we enjoy that sick kind of humor, ***we can ignore him from now on."***

skooter942000

04-08-2007, 07:09 PM

http://www.jacobsen.no/anders/blog/archives/images/EasterBunnies_2.jpg

skooter942000

04-08-2007, 07:51 PM

- Hey Smyrna,

GC is a EQUAL OPPORTUNITY (Offender)

She hates *ALL*
that believe differently than her.

- Which (or "WITCH") is everyone.

- (Especially SC FOLKS)
- (...and it shows)

But she keeps a few close to her,
so she has back-up ,
- (to come against "we" CHRISTIANS)

All one needs to do is read her (messages) of HATE.

She even spends her time on said sites,
reading their TRASH , (to Try and TRASH US).

- That is her FRUIT.

(Like a BOWL of GRANOLA)
FRUITS & NUTS , (Mixed with FLAKES)

- The breakfast of champions.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

smyrna

04-09-2007, 09:54 PM

Skooter,

"She hates *ALL*
that believe differently than her."

You got that right. I don't agree with Mormon doctrines but I'm not ranting and raving against their beliefs.
I don't agree with many denominations, but I'm not running around claiming they are cults and not Christians, and so they should just admit it, and I'll leave them alone, which is Franklin's arrogant and extortionist threat.

Oh yeah, Godchild's idea of letting "Jesus' love shine through her" is to hurl hate filled false accusations, and spread rumors everywhere she goes, in her zeal to get everyone to belief exactly as she believes.

So far, the record speaks for itself.All these anti-chapel sites, people spreading falsehoods and filling boards up with them, rumors and so forth, are the products of the detractors.

You will not find one website or discussion board published by Chapel students that are aimed at a certain denomination or teacher. You will find disagreements on what churches teach, but rarely if ever will you find direct attacks against other denominations.

If they want to believe something, it is their right to do so in peace.

But if they come here and fill these boards with their hatred,that changes the rules, because we're not going to sit here and let them vomit all over us with their garbage. We'll show them they are not free of error, as we see it, the same way they do us.

However, we don't make up stuff and deliberately twist their words so they have more material for them to use. We don't fabricate our charges,like they do.

skooter942000

04-09-2007, 11:19 PM

GC where did you pull this one from?

".....that whites are superior"

I see the accusation.

-Where is the POST?

A LINK PLEASE.

BTW (I never posted a PIC in that THREAD
of any hollywood type).

'i' never openly accused anyone,
- (of being a KENITE).

- And you know this. (yet you post what you did)

- That's upon your head ,
- (you shall answer for this).

[ FALSE ACCUSATION ]

Making it seem as if i joined in.
- (When i clearly didn't).

Your HATE is showing.
- (It gets stronger and Stronger)

- and shows who it is , that you actually FOLLOW.
- (which includes the easter bunny)

FOLLOW CHRIST ,
& (not HATE)

BTW/ i forgive you (Openly)

Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession
of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is]
faithful that promised;)

Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to
provoke unto love and to good works:

Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of
ourselves together, as the manner of some [is];
but exhorting [one another]: and so much the
more, as ye see the day approaching.

Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that
we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for
of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall
devour the adversaries.

Don <*))><

smyrna

04-10-2007, 12:07 AM

More of

Here is more of "Jesus' love shining through" Godchild:

"Boy, that bonehead.(me) He's a pretty patient boy, isn't he. lololol Kind of lazy though. He keeps talking about adding to his little website but just never gets around to it. Well, its not important anyway. No big deal. No great loss!'

Then why mention it? Especially about someone who you said you would ignore, "from now on".(which was about three days ago)

By the way, there are a few new things at www.scripturetruth.homestead.com (http://www.scripturetruth.homestead.com)
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

"Unless we enjoy that sick kind of humor, ***we can ignore him (Smyrna) from now on."***
-Godchild, April 6th, 2007

ezekiel_37

04-10-2007, 03:18 AM

skooter,

70x7

Peace in Christ
c

smyrna

04-10-2007, 04:39 AM

Hey, it looks like Frankie deleted a post. I'm sure it was just full of witticisms,real sorry we missed it.

Was it about Orangutans, Frankie?

godchild

04-16-2007, 06:38 PM

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Arnold Murray is a fine DSL teacher:

I visit the Shepherd's Chapel about once a year.
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I enjoy learning with Pastor Murray. He presents scripture book by book, chapter by chapter, verse by verse. In my humble opinion, this is the only way to study scripture and get the whole hearted understanding of it. There are things he believes and preaches that are not released on the TV show outright. For example: He follows dual seedline tradition, but this is disclosed on his website. http://www.shepherdschapel.org/answers.htm Although I do not follow DSL position, I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater, he is a great teacher of the Word.

He does not appear racist, but I mean that only in the 'hateful' meaning of the word. He is anything from politically correct, but I have not found him to be overtly hateful. His congregation has followers of all races. This not withstanding, and if I remember correctly, he believes in the separate creation of races and the identity of the twelve tribes (Being White Europeans). All in all, on television, he is about as good as it gets (If you are CI, AI, or BI that is) and his encouragement and diligence has brought much insight to my study of the scriptures. I find I study more often, and have more bible studies with my family after watching him too.

God Bless Pastor Murray.
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Remember, Guns don't kill people.
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These are samples of people who love and follow am/sc. google stormfront, neo-nazis, christian separatists, british israelism, christian identity.

smyrna

04-16-2007, 06:57 PM

I love it when Godchild reposts this stuff. Here is a guy who claims he does not think Pastor Murray is a racist, admits that the SC Church has folks who worship there that are non-white, both attributes she and her detractor buddies have held the exact opposite positions about, and she apparently takes pleasure in reposting it.

It's like bragging that she and her CBers are either wrong or lying.

The author of that post also says:

"Although I do not follow DSL position, I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater, he is a great teacher of the Word."

Sounds like this guy is just a visitor to the site Godchild does not provide the URL for, so we can see just how racist this group is.

Even if they are, it has nothing to do with the SC, for the SC is a separate Church, one that NO nationally recognized organization has ever complained or claimed was indeeed racist or anti-semitic.

NO, the ONLY people that ever make such claims are nutcases like Godchild, who apparently can't get anyone from a national platform to agree with them.

So the bottom line, she and her CB caomrades can whine and cry, accuse and post stuff over and over, but no one who matters believes them!

No Al Sharpton, no national media, no Time magazine, no Anti-Defamation League, No Jewish Defense League, etc.

And all those people, after 20 some years of SC braodcats, and all the detractors attemtps at smearing Pastor Murray through so many websites, and not ONE of the aformentioned people or organizations has ever published a word about the SC.

Of course, whenever I remind the detractors of this, they pull the old disapearing act, or just pretend this post and others like it don't exist.

This is solid testimony of how goofy these people are!

I guess they just don't recognize just how "brilliant" Godchild is! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

"He (Murray)does not appear racist, but I mean that only in the 'hateful' meaning of the word. He is anything from politically correct, but I have not found him to be overtly hateful. His congregation has followers of all races."

ezekiel_37

04-17-2007, 05:23 AM

ps. I have never heard a SC student refer to Our Father as Yahwey. That is SC 101. YHVH.

Therefore, the post that godchild copied is not from a SC Student.

Now I imagine that those who don't agree with SC theology will say Yahwey, but I wonder if they know why they say that. Do they understand the initials? Can they explain it? Or do they just say Yahwey out of ignorance. Curious!

in His service
c

godchild

04-17-2007, 04:36 PM

Are you reading from my post. He/she didn't spell it Yahwey; they spelled it Yahweh.

quote: "Yahweh is a man of war: Yahweh is his name" (Exodus 15:3).
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What the heck are you reading? TOSS out zeke's foolish comeback!

terluvire

04-17-2007, 05:01 PM

Yahwey, Yahweh, what's the difference.

Ezekiel is right. Those from SC would never use either one. Sorry godchild.

smyrna

04-17-2007, 05:15 PM

Notice how Godchild just ignores the evidence behind that foolish reposting of the guy who posted to some website somewhere else?

That is typical, trying to bury posts that make her look foolish.

The problem is, she comes up with another post that makes her look equally foolish!

Yes, SC stduents know the history behind YHVH, and we also know where we can find YHVH several times in the form of an acrostic! (That should send Godchild hopping over to the nearest serach engine!)

Anyway, let's say she finds some SC student that really did this. What would it prove? Certainly not what she contends.

That can easily be proven, so let's let her try, and then we can laugh her off, just one more time, out of the countless times she has come up with stuff to whine about.

I'm telling you, what a way to spend this time she claims is letting "Jesus' light shine through" her.

You gotta be kidding me.

Godchild's posts: 4764 and climbing towards that wonderful day, where she posts number 5000!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

oneway

04-17-2007, 05:28 PM

"Godchild's posts: 4764 and climbing towards that wonderful day, where she posts number
5000!"

What I would find utterly amusing is, when she get's to post 4999, she doesn't give you all the satisfaction of seeing that wonderful day. She renews her registration with Factnet and starts over. Now that would be hilarious.
As a matter of fact, I just did the same thing today myself. Notice the number of my post. But it's still little ole' me tho, lol.

ezekiel_37

04-17-2007, 05:36 PM

My apologies, it was late and I made an error.

My post should have read;

ps. I have never heard a SC student refer to Our Father as Yahweh. That is SC 101. YHVH.

Therefore, the post that godchild copied is not from a SC Student.

Now I imagine that those who don't agree with SC theology will say Yahweh, but I wonder if they know why they say that. Do they understand the initials? Can they explain it? Or do they just say/write Yahweh out of ignorance. Curious!

in His service
c

lutheratx

04-17-2007, 05:37 PM

I'll tell you what God has put in my heart to believe. God chose the Levitical priest hood and the Tribeof Judah for the seed line in which Christ would come from, he chose them. However

Romans 11:13 , inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree

So Paul here was teaching the chosen race,the God of the Hebrews (people that came through the water). He also goes on and say's being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree
He say's the Gentiles can be partakers, meaning any race can take part in the rewards on judgement day. Why?

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

skip a few for the sake of time

1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God said it was good he was pleased with the 6th day advent. He loves the people of the ethnos (gentiles) however, You must take part in the covenant with David. You must in since acknowledge that salvation came through that chosen race, 50 - 50 half Judah half levite. Gods word teaches the chosen race Christ would come through. So for you to continually to call sound doctrine racist, you intern are saying God's choice wasn't good enough. Let me end by saying one of my best friends is a black man one of God's most beutiful people. I've really enjoyed my interaction with all races. I even enjoy you guys that would have me believe I am racist. Your cool treat people well, and continue studying. The rapture is not salvation though be carefull.

lutheratx

04-20-2007, 08:09 PM

I was told I should drop the chosen race bit so I am here to ammend, God chose a people, because I have not considered kenites. However I made myself abundantly clear what I meant that Christ came through both the levitical priesthood, and through Judah (the kingline), but if anyone was offended by the terms I used you have my utmost apology.

smyrna

04-20-2007, 08:37 PM

"Godchild's posts: 4764 and climbing towards that wonderful day, where she posts number
5000!" (Quoting Smyrna)

Oneway: "What I would find utterly amusing is, when she get's to post 4999, she doesn't give you all the satisfaction of seeing that wonderful day.
She renews her registration with Factnet and starts over. Now that would be hilarious.
As a matter of fact, I just did the same thing today myself. Notice the number of my post. But it's still little ole' me tho, lol."

SMRYNA:

Well, it doesn't get more ridiculous than that. Oneway subscribes again under Oneway,just so that his number of posts are artificially reduced.

If Godchild does that, I can assure you, that all we have to do is add her previous posts to her new ones, to arrive at that magic number, 5000.

Therefore, we are denied nothing. As a matter of fact, that extra, deceptive dimension would make such a move all that much more entertaining.

Even if she signed on under a different name, her clearly idiotic personality would give her away, pronto.

Anyway you have it, 5000 is comin'!!!(Unless we get real lucky, and she does a permanent disappearing act)

We will see what the future holds. In the meantime,the hilarity continues.

There will always be Godchild wannabes, Oneway and Dodge have proved that.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

oneway

04-21-2007, 01:37 AM

"We will see what the future holds. In the meantime,the hilarity continues.

There will always be Godchild wannabes, Oneway and Dodge have proved that. "

Smyrna, I'm going to be honest with you. I wasn't for sure whether I liked you or not, but after getting to know you a little better, I've decided that I do like you. You do amuse me from time to time. If only I could return the favor and amuse you. Actually I tried a few times, but you all seemed to be offended by my humor even tho it really wasn't meant to be offensive. I'm just not funny, but you are, so I guess that keeps us both amused and everyone else too.

ezekiel_37

04-21-2007, 07:13 AM

just so everyone remembers, last year, factnet had a meltdown and most of us lost many 100's of posts, reflected on the counter, and also some archives

That 5000 mark is well eclipsed by now anyway.

c

smyrna

04-21-2007, 12:50 PM

Oneway, your problem is that you assume you can read my mind. You are quite entertaining, your sense of humor is fine, don't ever change. You have returned the favor many times over.

Now aren't yopu contradicting yourself by saying that you wish you can return the favor and amuse me, and then you say that:

"I'm just not funny, but you are, so I guess that keeps us both amused and everyone else too."

stage_director

04-21-2007, 06:37 PM

Murray is greatly admired among CI groups because they feel he got over ... that he was smart enough to make his preaching "politically correct" enough to be tolerated by many people who'd otherwise shun racism. He's so slick he even fools the races he despises.

terluvire

04-21-2007, 07:37 PM

SD said:
Murray is greatly admired among CI groups because they feel he got over ... that he was smart enough to make his preaching "politically correct" enough to be tolerated by many people who'd otherwise shun racism. He's so slick he even fools the races he despises.

Well, lets see what they, CI, has to say about PM themselves, shall we?

Excerpt Quotes:
He cut his ties with Identity in 1981 or so.

He openly welcomes blacks, and other non-Whites into his church, and he even has them serve in certain secure positions within the church. There was one couple who used to go, they were complete mongrels and they wore Star of David necklaces all the time. The wife actually thought that she and her kids were good White Americans - but they looked like they snuck across the border last week.

And quote:
I was involved in SC for 10 years, went to their Passover services for years, and every year- more and more non-Whites, and less and less Whites. About half of his church are Native Americans who think they are Whites.

Quote:
Thanks for offering your insights about Arnold Murray. I'm wondering if he's all I thought he was cracked up to be. It doesn't sound that great that he's welcoming all these minorities into his congregation.

Quote:
He's strong on the one-seed Doctrine, but seriously lacking on "naming the 'jew'"; he likewise pushes far too much into the second-level, (spiritual), understanding while completely disregarding the profound importance of the first-level, (physical), portion of Scripture...

Quote:
There's been other threads about Murry, probably in the archives somewhere. My biggest disappointment is seeing non-Whites in his congregation.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/thoughts-arnold-murry-shepherds-chapel-276163p2.html?s=09ac28e079c8045c3dae3ca0f4aa63a5&a mp;t=276163&page=2

smyrna

04-21-2007, 08:42 PM

Ter,

I guess we have another case of deception by omission.

Godchild posted stuff here from Stormfront. I'm sure she had no idea that the posts you found were there. Yeah, ok, sure Godchild, and you other detractors who stand guilty of such tactics.

Wait, let me find an excuse for them: Those posts are really from Chapel Students,(actually they are, but not the ones the detractors are looking for!) who Pastor Murray paid to post there!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

terluvire

04-21-2007, 09:32 PM

Yes, I agree Smyrna.

And lets no forget these quotes:

Quote:
Arnold Murray obviously does not feel obligated in the prohibition of letting the mamzer enter his congregation or adopting the stangers into the elect of God. He just couldn't resist inserting his universalist theology into this article. Likewise, he cannot resist the marrying of the holy with the profane in an arbitrary doctrine of man.

Quote:
If you are going to preach something that you say is a Christian teaching I would like proof. Oh, and by the way. Please don't bring up Murry. He and his brother teach bs. He is stuck on the masoretic text, so-called hebrew, sacred name, premillennialism, and he allows non-whites in his congregation and states openly they can be saved.

Quote:
Arnold Murray's material has a copyright on it, and he does whatever he can to distance himself from anyone who claims to be ro-White. His church is about half non-Whites.

Quote:
You are very right Klaliff, but the problem is that Arnold Murray is not Identity, and has done everything that he can to set himself apart from Identity - he simply teaches about the Serpent's Seed, but he believes that blacks are exactly the same as Whites in the eyes of God. Some of his strongest supporters at the Chapel are non-Whites; one couple each wears a "Star of David" around their necks.. I guess they think they are "Israelites."

Quote:
So, just because he teaches about the "Serpent's Seed", don't think for a moment that he is a White Nationalist, promotes Christian Identity, White Separation, or even White Preservation.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/scholarly-teaching-christmas-arnold-murray-174539.html

smyrna

04-22-2007, 12:56 AM

Ter,

All I can say is this is dynamite, which should serve to blow the detractors' accusations of being one with racist organizations, as well as anti-semitic organizations, right out of the water.

However, I will not underestimate the detractors' ability to squirm, slither, and otherwise grease themselves up with enough sleazy, greasy deceptions and lies, even to the point of absolute absurdity, in order to save face.

Another incredible piece of detective work, Ter!

Now I can a hardly wait for the newest drivel from the detractors!

Praise the Lord for giving us TRUTH! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

oneway

04-22-2007, 02:40 AM

testing

lutheratx

04-22-2007, 03:01 AM

How do you ultimately test a racist organisation. Anyone here knows Pastor Murray teaches the word Gentile is translated to the Greek word ethnos. He then also teaches that there will be Kings and queens of the ethnos, partaking in the fatness of the very same olive tree the 10 northern tribes and Judah partake in. If you can't tell Pastor Murray is well versed in the bible, which over and over uses the word Gentile (which he translates ethnos) in a positive light. You are really been sent strong delusion. God sends strong delusion to those that want to believe a lie.(2Thess2)2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Pastor Murray has tapes that he reads entire chapters of the bible, every chapter of the bible has been done. So what would be the easiest way to catch a racist be? Well come across different places the word Gentile is used in a positive light. Now order the tape or cd and Pastor Murray will expose himself for sure. I challenge you to do so, because I for one will not be fed by a racist. Through most of my days running the streets, I did what we call down here in Texas smoke out jammin screw. So for most of my life I lived as though I was a black man. I try to reach as many of my black brothers that will receive a white goofy screw ball. So please straighten me out because I would not want to offend those that I lived emulating for so long.

oneway

04-22-2007, 03:35 AM

lutheratx,

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse anyone.
A couple of days ago my password wasn't working, so I created a new account with a new password. Well, tonight my new password stopped working, but my old password started working. That's what the 'testing' was all about. I have no clue what's going on with these passwords unless someone has hacked my pc. So I typed 'testing' to see which password was working, It had nothing to do with anything in this discussion.

lutheratx

04-22-2007, 03:47 AM

you know the funny thing is I didn't even notice the testing thing, but it does seem like I was jumping down your throat. Man that is funny. Holla at your bouuy

terluvire

04-22-2007, 05:02 AM

Smyrna,

You are very very welcome!!!

And, yes, I'm also expecting our pet detractors to twist the facts of what CI, themselves. say about PM .

So let us get our pooper scoopers ready...... to clean up their mess. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

(Message edited by terluvire on April 22, 2007)

smyrna

04-22-2007, 01:34 PM

Ter,

These testimonies of actual racists complaining about how Pastor Murray is openly ANTI-racist, and also S_D's foolishness about how Pastor Murray doesn't let any non-whites into his "inner circle" which goes directly against the testimony of an avowed racist which I will quote here, deserves its own thread.

The quote:

"He openly welcomes blacks, and other non-Whites into his church, and

***he even has them serve in certain secure positions within the church.***

That is the nail which locks shut the coffin, readying for burial the filthy lies, and false accusations of Stage Director and the other false witness bearers that we have had to deal with.

And the best of all: we owe a great deal of thanks to Godchild, for pointing us to Stormfront!

If that isn't poetic justice, I'd be hard pressed to find a better example.

And Ter, you are OUR Hero Buster!!!!!

terluvire

04-22-2007, 05:00 PM

Hi Smyrna,

This quote,:
He openly welcomes blacks, and other non-Whites into his church, and he even has them serve in certain secure positions within the church.

that one is the real zinger!! That one certainly did put the nail in the coffin. That's why it is the first quote posted.

That quote shows SD's false accusation against SC, for she said on April 20th, post #25
Quote:
Get real ... you'll never find a black employee at Shepherd's Chapel or in the "inner circle.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/30324.html?1177246783

I can't take the credit though for finding those quotes. They were posted by another SC student about a year or so ago. I bookmarked them back then. By the grace of God, I never deleted them through all the times I've cleaned up, edited, my bookmarks. I wasn't even sure if I still had them.

It was SD's comment: "Murray is greatly admired among CI groups", which reminded me of those links and prompted me to search for them. So I guess I should tell her thanks. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

smyrna

04-22-2007, 05:25 PM

Ter,

Well, I am sure that if this is the strong opinions of the true racists, then it shouldn't be much trouble to find more such references.

I guess it's time to expect another disappearing act from the detractors, while they pretend that these posts, which expose their lies and false accusations do not exist.

However, since they also are known to completely disregard evidence or come up with some really off the wall nonsense in a vain effort to cover their posteriors, it wouldn't surprise me to see them try.

It's very difficult to predict what an unstable person or persons will do.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

oneway

04-22-2007, 05:31 PM

"This quote,:
He openly welcomes blacks, and other non-Whites into his church, and he even has them serve in certain secure positions within the church."

But the question is, does he openly welcome kenites into his church, and does he let them serve in certain positions in the church?, lol.
I almost forgot, we can't tell who these kenites are. For all we know, AM might have a whole flock of them in his congregation and not even know it, lol.

smyrna

04-22-2007, 05:48 PM

Oneway has gone back to his old, snide and incredibly stupid comments.

Jesus taught that we would know those who were serving God as opposed to those who do not. And it is very simple. "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

Therefore, an inherently evil person, such as a serial killer, child molestor, etc, are certainly known by their fruits (works).

Oneway is proving our point. The detractors have nothing left but vain groping for something to say, since their accusations are all being diffused, and from the most unlikely sources as well.

Oneway's medication must be messing him over, so I won't pick on him anymore after this post today.

The CBer's don't even want much to do with him, What does that tell 'ya? He's even too freaked out for them.

Maybe he can go play mini-golf or something with Dodge. I'd almost pay to see that.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

terluvire

04-22-2007, 06:37 PM

Hi Smyrna,

I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to find more quotes of CI being displease with PM. There has gotta be much more out on the web. These racist groups disagree with PM because he allows all races into his congregation and believes all races can be saved. And they also don't like the fact that PM teaches that the elect are comprised of all races, not just the white race.

Smyrna, you only needed a tiny pooper scooper for oneway. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

oneway

04-22-2007, 06:39 PM

"Oneway's medication must be messing him over, so I won't pick on him anymore after this post today."

What else is there left to do with you in here?
It's obvious you're playing games. I know how to play games also, as you can see and have seen. I'm a good sport. Isn't this what you want? Someone to play games with you? You're obviously not interested in the Truth of God's Word. You just want someone to play games with. Perhaps it should be you and dodge that goes and plays that game of mini golf instead of me and dodge. I promise I won't get mad.

skooter942000

04-22-2007, 06:48 PM

Stage Director (here you are)....

No reply on the other thread yet?
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/29824.html?1177263073

Hmmmmmmmmm

Pastor has put down "C.I." groups , -in the past.
- Many ,many times on AIR!!!

When the topic comes up.

- So careful here - (dear)!!!

WRITE TO HIM, ask HIM OPENLY....(Dare you to)

Your fruit is wavering on The LIES you spread.

GOD is listening , (and Watching).

- Remember this when posting. (your HATE)

Pastor does not TEACH RACE HATE.

HE has "never said", one RACE (ETHNICITY),
- is better than another.

GOD is not a respecter of persons.
- Neither is Pastor, (or neither are we).

Yet you say he does, (or try to imply this).

Trying to Character assassinate him, by
associating him with HATE GROUPS, shall not FLY!!!

HE does not agree with them.
He has spoken out about them time after time.

- Enjoy your rewards dear.
- (you have certainly "earned them")

As have all of the other LIARS on this listing.



http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?hr=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eliyah.com%2Flexicon. html&icon=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eliyah.com%2Fbackto.gif &bgcolor=C0DCC0&textcolor=000000&linkcolor=39398C& vlinkcolor=0000FF&language=H&strongs=7489

oneway

04-22-2007, 07:04 PM

"The CBer's don't even want much to do with him, What does that tell 'ya?"

You're probably right about this. I tried to join CB about a month ago and was banned as soon as I filled out the registration form. They must really not want me there. I can take a hint. So I have a choice to go sit in a corner and feel sorry for myself, or I can choose to keep moving on, no matter what.

smyrna

04-22-2007, 07:58 PM

Ter,

I just went to Stormfront myself. There is more there. The detractors can forget about trying to align the Chapel with ANY racist or anti-semitic groups.

All we have to do is post the quotes from there whenever they try, if they are still stupid enough to do so, which of course, they are.
And if I was to bet on it, they actually will try!

terluvire

04-22-2007, 08:08 PM

It's never hard to defeat the detractors. They defeat themselves with their own words. They cause their own downfall.

Lies and misrepresentation, get them nowhere.

The truth always prevails.

smyrna

04-22-2007, 08:42 PM

Ter,

Have you seen the latest Stage Director posts on the other threads? She's already dancing like she's barefoot on hot coals!

I am positive she has read this thread, and she's pretending she hasn't seen it, and, like they say down here in LA, she's "crawfishing", which means backtracking like you wouldn't believe.

terluvire

04-22-2007, 09:00 PM

I saw it. I posted a nice little song for them..lol Call it their "theme" song if you like. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

terluvire

04-22-2007, 11:26 PM

S_D,

Phe8zero asked me to relay a message to you, for he is the one who found those quotes by CI memebers.

He said, and I quote:

Most of the posts from the racist, "White Nationalist" forum railed against Pastor Murray, demonstrating that they have little if anything in common. But it demonstrates something else:

You thought you knew racism, and you thought you knew Pastor Murray, but you know NEITHER.

While some Shepherd's Chapel students have gone to you with harsh words, some came in peace seeking honest discussion, and you accused them anyway.

In spite of your allegations, you are filled to the bone with prejudice. You are prejudice, witch-hunting traducers, and my last message to you still stands:

"Physicians, heal thyselves."

And to the smart-mouthed brat, my last offer still stands: a free tour of his colon.

End Quote
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

stage_director

04-23-2007, 07:49 AM

Terluvire, really now ... I quit passing notes in grade school, isn't it about time for you to stop too?

QUOTE
my last offer still stands: a free tour of his colon
END QUOTE

Umm, I'm not sure what your freaky friend has in mind ... but I'm going to have to pass on that, thank you very much.

smyrna

04-23-2007, 02:20 PM

Ter,

S_D wrote: "Terluvire, really now ... I quit passing notes in grade school, isn't it about time for you to stop too?"

Smyrna: She must not have gone very far in the business world. She apparently has never used inter-office memos!(i.e. note passing)

So now we see how the detractors are handling this.

S_D wants to wallow in the trivia of who is passing messages, raher than confronting the issue itself, which is why they chose to hurl accusations that have been proven wrong a long time ago.

The fact that those quotes from Stormfront not only were made in '04, but were posted at the Figtree, a place we know is not unkown to the detractors, shows the dishonesty behind their tactics.

In addition, though I pointed out that she indeed saw this thread yesterday, she chose not to offer any apology or explanation, but went on a little dancing tour on the other threads, and even trying to hedge her comments and also bolster them with hints she has more to "reveal" (though she hasn't revealed anything we didn't already know) and claims she doesn't know what is in our hearts, though she claimed to have us all figured out.

Also, after claiming to know more than she does, like her foolish speculation which she presented as a hard fact, about what the non-white person was doing in the SC bookstore,she now still refuses to acknowledge the prior posts here.

However, at least she eventually showed up on this thread, which is more than the CB cowards have done so far.

terluvire

04-23-2007, 04:31 PM

S_D wrote: Terluvire, really now ... I quit passing notes in grade school, isn't it about time for you to stop too?

Is that ALL you can say??? I'm passing notes??? Oh, how awful I am!!! *gasp*

I think childish gossiping is far worse, don't you?

I think spreading rumors in order to ruin a person's reputation is far worse, don't you?

Again I ask...Is that ALL you can say after you've been presented with evidence which has proved you wrong????...that CI does not have rave revues for PM BUT contempt for him because he's NOT racist.

Passing notes pales in comparison to what you have done.

You see nothing wrong with using hearsay, rumors, false accusations and lies; and yet you think you're going to tell ME about passing notes... Pleeeeezzzzz..lololololol

Go spread your lies at CB. They love to eat them up!! They are not about truth but about winning.
You fit right in!

In the meantime....I'm doing a victory dance!!!!
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

terluvire

04-23-2007, 09:07 PM

Where are all the detractors??? Have they nothing to say about this thread???

OR

Are they purposely staying away?

neginoth

04-23-2007, 09:17 PM

Hello gang! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

rachelengland

04-23-2007, 09:26 PM

"Go spread your lies at CB. They love to eat them up!! They are not about truth but about "winning.
You fit right in"!Terluvire

Stage Director- was it not franklin you butted heads with on cb? Were you welcomed with arms wide open by all? I remember Smyrna loving you because he said you were kicking Franklin's A$$ and NOW they don't seem to care very much for you. Join the team kiddo..your detractor you! I have a feeling you know more about this doctrine than most who are dedicated students..

terluvire

04-23-2007, 09:40 PM

Ahhh, but Rachel, you seem to forget, as long as Stage Director was talking against us, all was well in CB land.

You people are the most biased I've ever had the displeasure of meeting. None of you care about the truth. As long as someone is saying something agaist SC, you people jump right on the bandwagon, not even caring if it's true or not.

Your itching ears just love to listen to lies and rumors.

And, it's funny how only the SC or SC related threads have gone underground at CB. Why is that? Is it so that you can people can continue with your lies and go unchallenged by us? I think so.

And again, no mention by any of you concerning this thread, how the charges of racism have been proven false.

None of you are about truth and love.

Only hate is what I see from all of you.

terluvire

04-23-2007, 09:42 PM

Welcome neginoth. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

rachelengland

04-23-2007, 10:03 PM

..and the circle continues...

"And, it's funny how only the SC or SC related threads have gone underground at CB. Why is that? Is it so that you can people can continue with your lies and go unchallenged by us? I think so" Terluvire

There you go again-remember when you started that whole thread about being banned and you freaked out and then had to come back and apologize- I hate to break the news to you-I know for a fact there are many more threads that are kept under wraps(that deal with specific cults) until one becomes a member and that is the way many websites operate - the admin there pays for that sight and can do as he pleases...

You say you only see hate from all of us? Really because people question your beliefs-when was the last time you ever treated anyone with kindness- when was the last time you said hey Smyrna stop calling oneway names- or "Smyrna lay off arron- you know he has a heart condition and calling him stupid doesn't lift him up"-when did YOU ever try to make a change and show some love give me a break...

Have a good night Terluvire..and remember that saviour you say you follow- the one who got kicked in the face and bled for you-the one who turned his cheek more than he grabbed a whip..why don't you start by making a change and showing some love and compassion.. instead of following a crowd-I have had to stand up to people that I love and have done it on this forum if they don't like it then so be it..wipe the dust off your feet and move along...as I am doing now -ciao

neginoth

04-23-2007, 10:07 PM

Hello terluvire.

Do you know who I am?

hee hee!

terluvire

04-23-2007, 10:11 PM

Hi Neginoth, No I have absolutely no idea who you are or even if your friend or foe...lol

But I figured I would still extend a welcome to you.

neginoth

04-23-2007, 10:24 PM

it's "phe8zero".

Where's Frankiln...er, Captain Crunch?

terluvire

04-23-2007, 10:29 PM

LOL Oh, I'm sure he'll be along soon enough..lol

Hey S_D didn't like your message..lol

terluvire

04-23-2007, 10:31 PM

Hey Rachel,

Why no comment about the false racism charges?

Or are you trying to d-e-t-r-a-c-t from the topic?

skooter942000

04-23-2007, 10:32 PM

- Welcome Neginoth.

- Hey i know that NAME , - (What it means)

- NEGINOTH (Psalm 4:1)

Psa 4:1 ¶ [[To the chief Musician on Neginoth,
A Psalm of David.]] Hear me when I call, O God
of my righteousness: thou hast enlarged me
[when I was] in distress; have mercy upon me,
and hear my prayer.

skooter942000

04-23-2007, 10:40 PM

?

- a detractor , (detracting)?
- from a QUESTION/SUBJECT (asked/being discussed)?

....Say it ain't so , (JOE).

(....say it ain't so)

= Nothing NEW under the (SUN).
- (while boating "in De-NILE") / i mean "denial"

(http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif)

neginoth

04-23-2007, 10:48 PM

Hello skooter. Nice to see you here.

I read Stage Director's comment.

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

Umm, I'm not sure what your freaky friend has in mind ... but I'm going to have to pass on that, thank you very much.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I should bring him up-to-date.

I visited the Cultbummers forum a couple of months ago, or so, I forget. I was there for only one day.

While I was there, I responded to a very rude young boy, Believil, who had said:

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

One thing I know is that it is impossible to have any type of discussion let alone any scripture discussion when they have their heads so far up PM's buttocks that they could actually draw diagrams of his colon."<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

So, I responded with:

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

Who is impossible? Son, how would you like to see the inside of your colon?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

But he didn't like it, can you believe it? He can dish it out, but he can't take it.

He didn't like me calling him "son" either, but he must be somebody's son, unless he's one of Franklin's genetic mistakes.

(Message edited by Neginoth on April 23, 2007)

terluvire

04-23-2007, 10:54 PM

Neginoth said:
But he didn't like it, can you believe it? He can dish it out, but he can't take it.

That's right!! They are the first ones to whine and complain...booo hooo hooo.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

Let them whine and cry over at CB.

smyrna

04-23-2007, 11:07 PM

Hey neginoth! Glad to see you here, buddy! Hope you have as great a time as we do!

SC folks, "Neginoth" is a good friend of mine. We go back a few years. He has a great anti-detractor website, I'll let him give you the URL. And, he really knows his stuff!

neginoth

04-23-2007, 11:20 PM

Well, it's been a while since I've updated it:

http://khyron_4.tripod.com/PMurray/PMurray.html

oneway

04-23-2007, 11:36 PM

"He has a great anti-detractor website, I'll let him give you the URL. And, he really knows his stuff!"

Great! We detractors have been waiting a long time for someone who knows their stuff in here. Maybe we can finally learn something now.

ezekiel_37

04-23-2007, 11:39 PM

Hey, I've been there before?

I remember the arc background...it was a while ago though.

Welcome Neginoth to "the other side of the tracks"!

Lots a hit and run(s) here.

in His service
c

smyrna

04-24-2007, 12:13 AM

Oneway,

If you haven't learned anything by now,that's your fault. You can't learn anything if you are always sleeping in class.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

rachelengland

04-24-2007, 12:21 AM

Hey Rachel,

Why no comment about the false racism charges? Teluvire...

T-anyone who puts so much emphasis on weather or not Jesus blushed is obviously concerned with the wrong issues...who the hell cares if he can blush? Does believing that somehow matter in the grand scheme of things

Oneway good response..but this one seems to be a name caller like the rest of them-nothing new under the sun.

smyrna

04-24-2007, 12:36 AM

I wonder if we should just collect all the non-repliees of the detractors, and line them all up to show how they cannot answer to the fact they have been proven to have been lying on literally thousands of posts, over the course of many months.

She wants to talk about anything BUT the reason why this thread is getting too hot for the detractors.

Still no comment about the true racists complaining that Murray is not one of them, not CI,not racist, and their anger that he is open to ALL, just as we have always said.

Then again, what can they say? They are sorry?

Fat chance of that happening.

So the next time Rachel or any of them wants to preach a mini-sermon, she can focus on confession and asking for forgivness from those she so offended.

If not, she doesn't have any sincerity, and just wants to slither out of all this.

If I accused someone falsely that many times,
and then found out I was wrong,I'd sure as hell would apologize and ask to be forgiven, from those I wrongly accused, and from God.

But not the Cbers. No, like Ter said, all we get is more "detracting" from the main issue.

rachelengland

04-24-2007, 12:47 AM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif You apologize first smyrna for all your name calling-come on Big Boy be a man and take the first step-it's not that hard...R

neginoth

04-24-2007, 12:48 AM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

Oneway good response..but this one seems to be a name caller like the rest of them-nothing new under the sun.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Actually, that used to be true on my website. I used to mention the organizations and people by name and make fun of them.

It is not like that anymore, although I do have links to the old pics and sounds that I used to use to deride them.

I always admired Bill Alnor for the fact that he was able to laugh at a pic of him that I doctored.

http://khyron_4.tripod.com/PMurray/Images/billalnor.jpg

I poke fun at Captain Crunch because the transference of his apoplectic behavior lends himself to it. But in reality, I shouldn't make fun of invalids.

But I'm really a nice guy, see?: http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

smyrna

04-24-2007, 01:21 AM

Rachel,

Your post is really pitiful.

You all forget that it was the detractors who first came here and called names, falsely accused etc.

All we did was defend ourselves.

And now you want an apology from me.

I wonder if you have enough intelligence to understand that you are the accusers. We are the defendants.

You drag us into court, by accusing us. We had to defend ourselves.

You were shown evidence to prove beyond any doubt, that we do not belong to a racist Church, even organizations that are truly racist, and freely admit it, testify that Murray is not a racist, and they are mad because he is not.

So the accusers should be the ones apologizing, and placing us in this situation, where we had to defend ourselves.

But you want an apology from us?!

You are sicker than I thought.

oneway

04-24-2007, 01:40 AM

"So the accusers should be the ones apologizing, and placing us in this situation, where we had to defend ourselves.

But you want an apology from us?!

You are sicker than I thought."

Luke 23:34 *Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots

Did Jesus require an apology before he could ask the Father to forgive them?
I would like to know what anyone in here has done to anyone that is worse than what they did to Christ? Christ is able to forgive, but we're not?
We can't apologize and forgive others if they don't apologize and forgive us first? I would like for someone to show me where Christ taught this?
Perhaps we all need to read Luke ch 23 again, and learn what Christ really taught us. Pride is a fruit of the devil, it is not a fruit of one that has Christ.

neginoth

04-24-2007, 01:52 AM

I forgive you, oneway.

smyrna

04-24-2007, 01:52 AM

Ok,

Almighty Father, forgive the detractors, even though they definitely knew what they were doing.

Smyrna, otherwise known to the detractors as Smearna, Racist,Heretic, Smegma, Bonehead,Stupid fool,etc.

abiyah

04-24-2007, 08:17 PM

Stage Director WROTE:
*********************************************** **
QUOTE: " ....He's [=and she speaks of pastor Murray] so slick he even fools THE RACES he despises. " END QUOTE
*********************************************** **

Stage ! Shame on you ! For indeed you INSULT my intelligence when you say such an evil thing. Do you think those that are not White are STUPID ? You say we [=the races] are FOOLED ? How dare you ! You know NOT what you speak, therefore that makes you IGNORANT and a fool ! For you have NO knowledge what so ever as to what race i am. Yet according to you Stage.. I'm not wise enough to discern one who "despises me". You have brought words from your heart to this thread which are quick do cristize and judge God's Children, those races, yet The Lord has Commanded you Stage to "Judge NOT !". Yet you do it still, and transgress that which our Lord Commanded. And you do bear false witness with regard to pastor Arnold Murray.

I speak from the heart Stage. There is NO political correctness in God's Word, for it is Written that our God is NO repsecter of persons [ Acts 10:34 ], pastor Murray knows and understand this Truth, and teaches that which is Written in The Word of God. And if our God be no repsecter of persons than how shall we ? We are NOT and we can NOT ! Little do you know Stage, that I visited The Shepherd's Chapel, and am a witness that pastor Murray is NO racist ! For indeed he treated me with a sincere, warm hearted greeting, and very loving he is, and I felt in no way, shape, or form that I did not belong there Stage. Pastor Arnold Murray treated me with LOVING KINDNESS. And allow me to help you be ignorant NO MORE, for there were also a number of diverse races there as well, those in which The LORD God created. They were there Stage, I beheld them with my very own eyes, ALL are God's Children, along with their families and even the small children. Beautiful it was, beautiful they ALL are from White to Black, from Indian to Latino, right there at The Chapel, and this is not to mention the many races to include to sweet hearted Asian woman I met at The Passover. Just a sweet, kind-hearted soul. And do you know why they were ALL present there Stage ? Do you understand why it is so ? It IS because they ALL LOVE THE LORD GOD, and His Only Begotten Son Jesus The Christ, this is why they gather, in His Name, and God Loves them ALL, and He created them ALL, and for His pleasure they were ALL created, for He created them male & female and He CREATED them in His Own Image.... and pastor Arnold Murray knows and understands these Truths which are Written in The Word of God, and he teaches them as such. And I do speak do kindly to you, but you should be ashamed of yourself for that which you have spoken here. You call the races fooled ? Have you ever considered that the races in which The LORD God created may read here ? And have you considered how that which you say may make them feel, have you considered that you may wound their hearts. I suggest you take a real good LOOK within yourself and your works. Is this what you want to be about ? Do you really desire to bear false witness and lie ? I'd think not Stage, and I hope not.

abiyah

04-24-2007, 08:18 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif CONTINUED to STAGE DIRECTOR

Stage... how does it make you feel when another child hurts your own little child ? So then think how it must make The LORD God feel when you speak things about His races of Children in which you may very well hurt their hearts by your words. How do you think that makes Him feel when He Hears you say such things ? Or how do you think He feels when one of His Children works diligently to please, and serve Him, and to share His Word of Truth, and then you come along and speak ill and lie about him... how would you feel if someone did that to your child Stage ? Think about it.. God is Very REAL and indeed He as emotions just like you and I, for we were created in His Image. Do you honestly think you are pleasing to Him when you do and say such things ? And give a truthful answer to yourself Stage.

You see... the bottom line here is this, any race of people, or any heart that thinks they their race is superior, better, or more elite than any other race in which God did create only deceive themselves in such a thought of the heart, for this type thinking is NOT FROM God, but it is of satan whose pride caused him to fall to such a state of degradation he shall never recover. For God's Chidlren are meek, they are humble, they are gentle and kind, and they do love their neighbors as themselves just as their Father has so Commanded them, and there in that, in this and this is REAL, there is no racial divide among them, for THE LORD God IS THEIR FATHER, The Heavenly Father of ALL PEOPLES of the earth [ John 3:16 ].

Stage... listen, you have offered no apology for that which you have falsey spoken in your above post No. 31, for you have been proven wrong, yet there is no apology for your err, but except to make a comment with regard to grade school and note passing? I'm disappointed, for I counted you as a sister IN Jesus Christ The Lord, therefore your words have made my heart heavy, for you have ALSO claimed that I'm fooled and despised of the pastor whom is dearly beloved to my heart. Yet even still, I forgive you Stage, and still do count you as a sister IN Jesus Christ The Lord, The Saviour of ALL, for we are to be one IN Him. And though you have fallen short with your above stated comments, and with no apology, well the truth is... we all fall short from time to time Stage. No one here is perfect, only Christ IS perfect. This is why repentance with a true and sincere heart is such a wonderful gift from God, and I pray you will do so Stage, truly I do. For i am sorry for the words which you have spoken there.

Agape,

Christin

skooter942000

04-24-2007, 10:29 PM

http://khyron_4.tripod.com/PMurray/PMurray.html

- Hey i never knew this was your site...
-neginoth-

'i' found it years ago. (Somehow)
Before posting at the F~T.

- Cool -

Oh , and i forgive you too (oneway).

You and yours,
- certainly do not know what it is
-(that you do).

- or you would not do - (what you 'do-do'). (Clearly)
_hey was that a COLON joke?

Psa 126:5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.

stage_director

04-25-2007, 09:00 AM

QUOTE
Hey S_D didn't like your message..lol
END QUOTE

I can't see Phillip losing much sleep over it, sweetheart ... You out slumming, T ? ;-)

abiyah

04-26-2007, 04:31 PM

*********************************************** **
Abiyah Orginally WROTE to Stage-
QUOTE: " Stage ! Shame on you ! For indeed you INSULT my intelligence. " END QUOTE

STAGE DIRECTOR REPSONED to me AS SUCH-
QUOTE: " Mar 7:20
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. "

I can only make an observation ... our own words define us. " END QUOTE
*********************************************** **

Stage:

Are you angry with me ? Have I done or said something that would make you bitter toward me ? IF so..... than I do sincerely apologize to you Stage Director, for certainly God KNOWS that was not my heart's intent if this be the case. So then please allow me to explain myself..... I simply stated " you insult my intelligence ", not because I'm some highly intellectual person, for The LORD knows I'm not. But rather I stated that in response to you Stage, in YOU saying that "the races" are "fooled" and "despised" by pastor Arnold Murray. As if I myself, along with all the diverse races which do Study God's Word along with pastor Murray by your standards Stage, are too damn stupid to realize. That is how what you had said came across to me. You see ? Now with that being said, I said "shame on you", because believe it or not, I actually find you to be a smart young lady, and thought that you would know better than to make such an accusation as that against pastor Murray as well as "the races" which do Study God's Word along with him. For certainly we know that you had absolutely no evidence to back up such a bold and hurtful statement with regard to pastor Arnold Murray, for he is completely innocent to the false claims in which you had made, as your words were proven to be a lie. And with no such evidence it simply showed you to be an accuser and a false witness..... is there no shame in that ? And now once again, in kindness, I have spoken from my heart to you here, speaking truthfully, and mean no offence.

And with regard to The Scripture Verse in which you quoted above with regard to me, does not have to do with me saying " you insult my intelligence", nor does it have too much to do with "one defining one's ownself" [with the exception of one spewing out self pride]; Yet if you had read the full thought in which Christ brought forth in that particular Scriptural Verse you would have FOUND that Jesus Christ Himself "defined" that which defiles a man for you, for us all, yet you stopped at Verse 20, and did not continue the complete thought to the matter, for Verses 21 - 23 complete the Teaching in which Jesus the Christ brought forth, you may want to read that.

Stage... I'm hoping we can put all this behind us, and go forward in peace with one another, and do that which we have come here to do, and that is to fellowship with one another IN Jesus Christ The Lord, and share and discuss His Word of Truth, that being God's Word. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifWhat do ya say ? Is this now behind us Stage ?

Abiyah

franklin

04-29-2007, 05:41 AM

Nazis are wrong about everything including that arnie is not a racist.

Where is it that the other nazis say that arnie is not anti Semitic?

smearna, satan exists and Moses wrote the Torah. You lie again.

Your name calling continues to condemn Shapherd's Chapel.

Nothing sick about me buddy. But YOU are eaten up with the diseases of racism and antisemitism.

Nothing in the Bible contradicts Genesis 4:1, Adam is the father of Cain. Cain and his descendents, the modern day Jews you claim are kenites are NOT the literal spawn of the devil. You are a hater of Jews because of the lies you smear them with.

You are a racist because you refuse to believe Genesis 3:20. Nothing in the Bible contradicts Genisis 3:20.

"20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."

You are related to blacks and orientals by BLOOD! Get over it!

All of humanity's ancestors were created by God on the 6th day of creation. Their names are Adam and Eve. The mother and father of all white, black and oriental humans.

To claim otherwise is racist!

stage_director

04-29-2007, 10:17 AM

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We can go on some unrelated discussion forum that is heavily visited by blacks and/or orientals. Then we can ask them if they have any whites in their family.

If they say they don't, are you going to call THEM racists for denying it? Are you going to demand they believe there are, and say "get over it"?
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Good idea ... Why don't you do that, Smyrna. Say! Make it a forum with lots of black members. I'll guess ahead the answer will be YES, many do have white blood in them ... that their ancesters didn't choose to have. Don't forget to explain about God's chosen white race while you're there ...

godchild

10-14-2007, 07:05 PM

quote: SCN is not a denomination, but a Bible believing Following. Pastor Murray has stated that he doesn't get paid by the tithes and offerings. He has other interests. All moneys go to spreading the Word of God to all parts of all nations. Air time, air time.

and the tape sales are 5 or 6 bucks each, not the normal 20-30-40-50-=60-70---$$$ that other TV ministries ask for.

It ain't about the money, it's about the spreading of the Word of God, chapter by chapter, and thought by though.
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Not according to the figgers at the season. They are concerned because am said he will "pull the plug" if they don't keep sending their money. Some are already complaining that they don't get sc any longer. If ezekiel watches am/sc on t.v. he knows at the end of each program, am or dennis say "we are brought to you by tithes and offerings. If we've helped you, help us." Stop lying. You can't hide the truth any longer.

watchman_2

10-14-2007, 11:35 PM

Let me see -- for every hour broadcast, there is bout 35-40 minutes of teaching, 1 minute between teaching and question and answer session, and all the rest as question and answer except the quote at the end of the show.

That is a lot better then most 'rapture' preachers -- whom spend half of the time begging for money.

BTW, if you look at the request for donations, you will notice that it is a conditional request --- "if we've helped you".

If one is fed the word of God, one has a duty to support it.

stage_director

10-15-2007, 06:28 AM

Spare me. He pulls out of areas, poverty stricken or not, that won't send or spend enough cash. He makes millions every year with tape sales, rent/etc. on properties purchased with tithes and tape/book sales ... not to mention massive amts of money left to the church via wills and endowments. It's one profitable racket. He, Martha and both his sons are solely supported by the church ... and him not taking a salary is a joke. The four of them take it all.

His game is instilling fear that all other pastors and church entities will lead you astray and cause you to worship Satan. You students eagerly buy up his tapes for fear you'll miss something important he's said ... some secret manna, some third level urgent matter that you must know. He learned the game from Goff, except in that case it was Communists who were the enemy. Send your money so I can protect you, less you be deceived ...

Murray was sure right about one thing, though. Satan will seem like he's all for you, like he's just the nicest guy in the world ... ;-)

watchman_2

10-15-2007, 10:20 PM

Face it stage_director -- pulling out of an area and discontinuing broadcasting when the area does not pull it's own weight is completely Biblical.

Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Of course, you don't really believe in the Bible anyway [or you would have obeyed Christ's command to 'shake of the dust' and left these threads], so this Christian edict is meaningless to you.

BTW, it is the money from the sale of these teachings that allows SC to venture into a new city/area to broadcast. After that, it is up to the viewer to support or not to support.

Hello, there is a simple remedy for those who disagree -- turn to a different station. Hence, like most of your positions, your claim that "His game is instilling fear that all other pastors and church entities will lead you astray and cause you to worship Satan." is preposterous.

Those that become SCers do so because the teachings better represent the truth of God's Word compared to the drivel you [fundamentalists'] believe in.

godchild

10-15-2007, 11:38 PM

No, You like it because it's a "feel good about me" ministry. He tells you what you want to hear, not biblical truths you can't deal with.

godchild

10-15-2007, 11:41 PM

scers are the ones who came here insulting all other pastors who receive tithes. They don't like being reminded their "pastor" is no different.

godchild

10-15-2007, 11:50 PM

abiyah called other preachers beggars. I call am an extortionist. He extorts money from his brainwashed figgers with the threat that they won't receive more of his "meat" if they don't pay for it. They will lose the only person who "strokes" them, telling them they are the chosen ones, and will be protected during the millenium, but accusing Christians who believe in a rapture they are looking for "an easy way out". Who's kidding who? He's got you all scared witless; "Oh, where are you going to go when the antichrist comes?" "I'm going to take my family and run for the hills." Oh, he has instilled such confidence, hasn't he. You all live in fear, and do not believe being a Christian brings it's own sense of peace and fearlessness. There is no peace in your lives. You do nothing but study the stars and check to see what the Jews are doing, hoping you might figure out something the bible hasn't told you, (because you can't see it, you are so busy looking at Jews and government and watching for a ufo or the smoke in a volcanic eruption).

watchman_2

10-16-2007, 12:46 AM

godchild wrote:
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You like it because it's a "feel good about me" ministry.
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LOL!!!! How stupid is she?

PM teaches that Christians need to put on the gospel armor [Eph. 6] and go to battle against the fiery darts of Satan. That is exactly what we do here! Satan's reach extends within the church as we see constant reminders from our alleged christian detractors.

One can compare SC teachings to godchild's thumb-sucking 'rapture' [we are all going to be flown away so that we don't have to face the tribulation time] beliefs any day and see which teaching is "feel good". The objective viewer would conclude that 'rapture' is that "feel good" teaching.

godchild

10-16-2007, 01:42 AM

Here's an example of what I was talking about at another sc discussion board:

There's going to be a lot of people who will die for not going with the system. I disagree with Pastor Murray when he says "they won't be able to harm a hair on your head'. I'd like to know where he gets that. Supposing you are one of the elect, mabye so, but he speaks as if EVERY SC student is one of the elect. This is VERY misleading. The antichrist won't be able to harm the 2 witnesses or God will return in 3 days. We all know the antichrist gives in after a while. I think it's wrong to tell everyone watching that they won't be harmed, that is false.
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Even this student of am can see the obvious. I really saved this post because this person agrees with Christians that am saying "all his figgers are elect" is wrong. It showed me a glimmer of hope for them.

godchild

10-16-2007, 01:45 AM

Oh yes. Before watchman comes running and accusing me of lying or changing this person's post, anyone can find it at the shepherd's chapel study group at myspace that good ol big mouth smyrna gave out. He was so full of himself he would always eventually step on his lip and giving out info he regretted later doing.

godchild

10-16-2007, 01:49 AM

Did you all know that when Jesus Christ ascended to the Father after His resurrection, satan followed Him to heaven. Well, that's another of am's false teachings they are talking about at the same discussion board. Good Grief! What utter nonsense. Show us some scripture figgers.

aviyah

10-16-2007, 01:52 AM

Speaking of Neo Nazi's...has anyone been following the stories on the news about Russian "Jewish" emigrants who have "returned" to Israel and are now forming Neo Nazi groups and terrorizing their communities there?

Hmmm now what was that discussion we've had time and again here about a faction of the world Jewish population not really being sons of Judah but rather proselytes of Judaism?

Hmmm...isn't the Russian Jewish population largely Ashkenazic? Ah yes, the descendants of the medieval Jewish communities of the Rhineland. Yes this would be the Khazars that converted to Judaism. The Khaganite "Jews" who in the 11th century A.D. comprised only 3% of the world's Jewish population but now make up approximately 80% of "Jews" worldwide.

stage_director

10-16-2007, 07:07 AM

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Face it stage_director -- pulling out of an area and discontinuing broadcasting when the area does not pull it's own weight is completely Biblical.

Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
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You misapply scripture almost as glibly as Murray does ... Since when is being unable to fork over a lot of cash for tithes and tape sales the same as rejecting the word?

watchman_2

10-16-2007, 01:45 PM

If an area receives the teachings and are fed, they will support the ministry. If not, then the ministry should move on -- just as Mark 6:11 declares.

You don't have to worry stage_director. SC is on satellite TV. So, everyone can receive the broadcasts.

But, thanks for your concern about those not receiving the Truth.

stage_director

10-17-2007, 01:17 AM

You're so right. I do worry about those being led astray ... That's why I worry about you who study with Shepherd's Chapel. :-)

watchman_2

10-17-2007, 04:12 AM

Who makes a seed grow? Certainly not any man. The seed is planted in an area. If it is not meant to grow, so be it.

BTW, you don't seem to care that you are led astray -- so, why should anyone else?

stage_director

10-17-2007, 08:43 AM

Oh, Watchman, Watchman ... You already think the devil is Jesus. Every word from your mouth proves who stands at your right hand.

watchman_2

10-17-2007, 02:43 PM

Obviously, stage_director is unfamiliar with the Bible. She regularly demonstrates her complete ignorance. Her last post here is another classic example.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 

For the literate Christian, the term 'whole world' would include the Chrisitan religion. Logic dictates that Satan would fool few Christians if he presented himself as an evil tyrant. Hence, one could expect Satan to present himself as Jesus so that the Christianity can be deceived likewise.

Of course, if stage_director chose to spend her time in study instead of research in her jihad against SC/PM, she would have verified that Satan does perform the role of the false Jesus.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 

The meaning of 'antichrist' -

G500
antichristos
an-tee'-khris-tos
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.

A meaning of 'anti' -

G473
anti
an-tee'
A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

Looks like stage_director is headed for defeat [again -- and no surprise].

Continuing with our study, we can see many examples of Satan's copy-cat efforts. Here is one -

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 

Satan's copy-cat role -

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 

The meaning of Lucifer -

H1966
he&#770;yle&#770;l
hay-lale'
From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning star: - lucifer.

We can see that Lucifer, by name, plays the role of Christ.

Another example -

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 

Christ's presence described on a 'white horse'. Now, Satan's copy-cat effort -

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. 

Again, we have similar appearance, but different goals. Christ, in righteousness, makes judgment and war. Satan is just out to conquer souls.

Well, I believe this is sufficient for the objective viewer to conclude that stage_director is clueless [again].