Some destined to salvation, some not?

[rodney_mccarthy]

I don't want to seem to persuade, thats not my place, but the one I look to is Jesus...God must draw those who come to Jesus...Why not draw everyone? If God so loved the world? My answer, some are destined for the kingdom...I can't escape this fact, its the same as God creating evil...Now what happens to all those who are not destined to salvation, when hell is destroyed? We are eternal right, what happens to those spirits?

So many unanswered questions and most people get there answers from the book, instead of Jesus who lives on the inside, the throne of our heart (the kingdom).

They only have a relationship with the written text, the book.

Blessings to you...

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

That is an interesting observation. I have never met anyone who had a relationship with a book. I have met many who fell sucker to a (wo)man.

[truth_child]

rod... no one is predestined to hell or heaven we go to heaven by faith IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and to he by not beleiveing in or rejecting HIM the bible says that the devil also believs and trembles but he is a lost foe who will untimatly be in the lake of fire. any one born on earth has the privalge to go to heaven to be with THE LORD IF they WILL BELEIVE ON HIM
and as far as the racist/sexisist remark about falling sucker to a "(wo)man" they are not a beleiver any way for they if you listen to their remakes you will find out they arent. and im talking about the one who posted above mine. also they take what "books " say instead of THE WORD OF GOD

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

I was speaking of you, not the one above.

[truth_child]

rod the one who said that is a liara nd the truth is not in them. he said he hates me therefore he is not saved.

[truth_child]

rod no one is destined to be saved or lost as i said before i f aperson needs THE LORD and will call on HIM HE WILL HEAR them

[turtle]

I don't want to seem to persuade, thats not my place, but the one I look to is Jesus...God must draw those who come to Jesus...Why not draw everyone? If God so loved the world? My answer, some are destined for the kingdom...I can't escape this fact, its the same as God creating evil...Now what happens to all those who are not destined to salvation, when hell is destroyed? We are eternal right, what happens to those spirits?

So many unanswered questions and most people get there answers from the book, instead of Jesus who lives on the inside, the throne of our heart (the kingdom).

They only have a relationship with the written text, the book.

Blessings to you...

I understand your question. I have asked in the past what about those people that do not know. There is scripture to help.

Romans 1:17-20 KJV
(17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

These verse are a hard pill to swallow. Yet at the same time I am reminded that I also responsible for what I know and learn in one since. See if I tell the truth it is your responsibility to decide for yourself if I speak the truth. Now if you are raised in a certain religion it makes it even harder for people to understand sometimes. We must remember if one worships the one true God he also worships Jesus and vs versa.

John 14:6-7 KJV
(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(7) If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

So essentially if you worship the creator you worship Christ. Now you only might know about God the creator. That is okay. But God is also Savior through His Son Jesus.

Now I am going to help you out a little with this. If you read Romans 9-11 it will help, remember to ask question if you need help. I will be glad to help you understand if you want. Or at least what I believe.

turtle

[rodney_mccarthy]

In Romans Paul raises an issue, the Jews don't contest it, they agree, look at their response. What if all are saved? Is it possible? I think not, according to the scriptures, anyway Hell isn't eternal? Now what?... God knows..

See Pauls statement and the Jews response below:

Romans 9:10-20...especially the response of verse 19 "for who can resist HIS will"

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

I understand your question. I have asked in the past what about those people that do not know. There is scripture to help.

Romans 1:17-20 KJV
(17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

These verse are a hard pill to swallow. Yet at the same time I am reminded that I also responsible for what I know and learn in one since. See if I tell the truth it is your responsibility to decide for yourself if I speak the truth. Now if you are raised in a certain religion it makes it even harder for people to understand sometimes. We must remember if one worships the one true God he also worships Jesus and vs versa.

John 14:6-7 KJV
(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(7) If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

So essentially if you worship the creator you worship Christ. Now you only might know about God the creator. That is okay. But God is also Savior through His Son Jesus.

Now I am going to help you out a little with this. If you read Romans 9-11 it will help, remember to ask question if you need help. I will be glad to help you understand if you want. Or at least what I believe.

turtle

The devil followed your plan. Is he saved?

[turtle]

The devil followed your plan. Is he saved?

ATAM you do not follow anything. Now the way it works is this if you love me you keep my commandments the Bible also says. The last time I check the devil conspired against God and did mighty evil deeds. How about looking for some verses. John has a lot of good verse especially in John 15 toward the middle about keeping God's commandments. Yet we all fail and all fall short of the glory of God. Are you perfect ATAM are you sinless do you believe in God???

[turtle]

In Romans Paul raises an issue, the Jews don't contest it, they agree, look at their response. What if all are saved? Is it possible? I think not, according to the scriptures, anyway Hell isn't eternal? Now what?... God knows..

See Pauls statement and the Jews response below:

Romans 9:10-20...especially the response of verse 19 "for who can resist HIS will"

Read chapter 20 and 21 of Revelation look what happens to hell and the eternal fire. It is real. Very real my friend.

Paul actually is writting a letter with thought provoking question to Roman people. Now

Romans 9:10-20 KJV
(10) And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
(11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
(12) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
(13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
(14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
(15) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
(16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
(17) For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
(18) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
(19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
(20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Okay in certain instance God has harden or open man's heart for his purpose. So remember if God can harden or open a heart of man the one must take in account that God is not going to judge him the same way because of the purpose or intent of what God using a person for. Now realize the word use is not like a unvoluntary thing. First of all people make a choice. God takes that person's choice at the time of event and uses it for his glory. Pharoah seeing all the miracles did not believe. Yet guess what he believed but God harden his heart. So did God judge his heart for when he believed or did he judge him according to his harden heart. I think God may of shown mercy to Pharaoh, because of circumstances. God wants to use his will to perform a task. Story of pharoah is found in Exodus starting around chapter 4.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

ATAM you do not follow anything. Now the way it works is this if you love me you keep my commandments the Bible also says. The last time I check the devil conspired against God and did mighty evil deeds. How about looking for some verses. John has a lot of good verse especially in John 15 toward the middle about keeping God's commandments. Yet we all fail and all fall short of the glory of God. Are you perfect ATAM are you sinless do you believe in God???

Let's see . . . Job was.

[truth_child]

if one beleivves ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST they are saved if they do not they are lost if a person come to the knowledge to reject or accept CHRIST then they have the opurtunity to go to heaven

[turtle]

Let's see . . . Job was.

TATM you are getting smarter as you age. see Job was righteous. Righteous meaning a man of faith. Did you know Job still did sacrifices for sin. Read chapters 1 and two I think it is. I have to look.

[truth_child]

turtle true tatm doesnt follow anything except the foolish talking that he does about pentecost. of which our LORD JESUS spake concerning THE HOLY GHOST

[turtle]

turtle true tatm doesnt follow anything except the foolish talking that he does about pentecost. of which our LORD JESUS spake concerning THE HOLY GHOST

Arron, I know the basics. I am not new to these boards, but thank you for the information. I do appreciate it. Now if I was in the dark, that is where I need some light.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

TATM you are getting smarter as you age. see Job was righteous. Righteous meaning a man of faith. Did you know Job still did sacrifices for sin. Read chapters 1 and two I think it is. I have to look.

OH! my dear Rev. Ms. Turtle, you are sooo smart. Did you know Jesus paid a ransom for his soul?

[turtle]

OH! my dear Rev. Ms. Turtle, you are sooo smart. Did you know Jesus paid a ransom for his soul?

Paid a ransom for our soul. But you have to accept his gift.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

My dear Rev. Ms. Turtle, study to show thyself approved. As I said Jesus paid a ranson for his soul.

[truth_child]

tatm where does it say that JESUS paid a ransom for HIS SOUL?

[turtle]

My dear Rev. Ms. Turtle, study to show thyself approved. As I said Jesus paid a ranson for his soul.

1 Corinthians 6:20 KJV
(20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


1 Corinthians 7:22-23 KJV
(22) For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
(23) Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

1 Corinthians 6:20 KJV
(20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


1 Corinthians 7:22-23 KJV
(22) For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
(23) Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Thank you my dear, Rev. Ms. Turtle. Jesus certainly did pay a ranson for his soul. Should you decide to read the Bible, you won't have a problem finding it.

[truth_child]

tatm i have read it but cant remeber where but i am sure it doesnt mean that JESUS WAS LOST AND HAD TO PAY A RANSOM FOR OUR SOUR i beleive it states that HE GAVE HIS LIFE A RANSOM FOR OUR souls

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Actually I was waiting for the Rev. Ms. Turtle to answer. But I can certainly see how someone with her vast Bible knowledge would let the naive answer. Matthew 17:24 is the beginning line of a great miracle. Jesus paid tribute money by having Peter go fishing.

"When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them." Exodus 30:12 (KJV)

But then I am certain the Rev. Ms. Turtle knew that.

[truth_child]

but that doesnt say that JESUS gave a ransom FOR HIS SOUL... tatm and excuse me for butting in and asking when i shouldnt have

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

but that doesnt say that JESUS gave a ransom FOR HIS SOUL... tatm and excuse me for butting in and asking when i shouldnt have

Mr. Arron, is there any chance you own a Bible?

"And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee." Matthew 17:24 - 27 (KJV)

[truth_child]

tatm that was referring to tax money by the roman goverment and not church money.. and any way it had nothing to do with the ransom for JESUS SOUL nor peters nor any one else. and yes i own a kjv bible

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

1. The tribute demanded was not any civil payment to the Roman powers,
that was strictly exacted by the publicans, but the church-duties, the half
shekel, about fifteen pence, which were required from every person or the
service of the temple, and the defraying of the expenses of the worship
there; it is called a ransom for the soul, <023012>Exodus 30:12, etc. This was not
so strictly exacted now as sometimes it had been, especially not in Galilee. pg 570, COMMENTARY ON THE WHOLE BIBLE, VOL. 8, Mat. - John
by Matthew Henry

24. When they were come to Capernaum — Where our Lord now dwelt.
This was the reason why they stayed till he came thither, to ask him for the
tribute. Doth not your Master pay tribute? — This was a tribute or
payment of a peculiar kind, being half a shekel, (that is, about fifteen pence,
) which every master of a family used to pay yearly to the service of the
temple, to buy salt, and little things not otherwise provided for. It seems to
have been a voluntary thing, which custom rather than any law had
established. pg 77, JOHN WESLEY’S NOTES ON THE WHOLE BIBLE
THE NEW TESTAMENT

[turtle]

1. The tribute demanded was not any civil payment to the Roman powers,
that was strictly exacted by the publicans, but the church-duties, the half
shekel, about fifteen pence, which were required from every person or the
service of the temple, and the defraying of the expenses of the worship
there; it is called a ransom for the soul, <023012>Exodus 30:12, etc. This was not
so strictly exacted now as sometimes it had been, especially not in Galilee. pg 570, COMMENTARY ON THE WHOLE BIBLE, VOL. 8, Mat. - John
by Matthew Henry

24. When they were come to Capernaum — Where our Lord now dwelt.
This was the reason why they stayed till he came thither, to ask him for the
tribute. Doth not your Master pay tribute? — This was a tribute or
payment of a peculiar kind, being half a shekel, (that is, about fifteen pence,
) which every master of a family used to pay yearly to the service of the
temple, to buy salt, and little things not otherwise provided for. It seems to
have been a voluntary thing, which custom rather than any law had
established. pg 77, JOHN WESLEY’S NOTES ON THE WHOLE BIBLE
THE NEW TESTAMENT

So you like to study too. :) Hmm

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

At least, Rev. Ms. Turtle, I read enough of the Bible to know what i am talking about.

[turtle]

At least, Rev. Ms. Turtle, I read enough of the Bible to know what i am talking about.

You have yet to prove that to me.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Rev. Ms. Turtle, as hard as it might be to believe, you are not on my "Seek approval" from list.

[truth_child]

i too have read the bible many time and i studied it while i read it. and i dont find where JESUS HAD TO PAY A RANSOM FOR HIS SOUL

[turtle]

Rev. Ms. Turtle, as hard as it might be to believe, you are not on my "Seek approval" from list.

TATM neither are you me.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

You have the last word.

[truth_child]

hey turtle go ahead and have the last word.. old tatm doesnt have anything to say that is whay he said that when he is "hemmed in" he has to come up with something else

[turtle]

Letting arron have the last word.

[truth_child]

sorry turtle

[turtle]

sorry turtle

What are you sorry for, What have you done?? Hmm??

[truth_child]

i wonder if tatm pays txes... for his soul... no wonder he is lost

[truth_child]

and no on is destined to be saved or lost although JESUS KNOW ALL THINGS FROM BEGINIING TO THE END AND THEREFORE KNOW who WILL BE AND who WANT BUT HE GIVE A OPURTUNITY TO all

[turtle]

and no on is destined to be saved or lost although JESUS KNOW ALL THINGS FROM BEGINIING TO THE END AND THEREFORE KNOW who WILL BE AND who WANT BUT HE GIVE A OPURTUNITY TO all

Arron, you said you were sorry for something. I want you to know something was God in what was going on. I think so. So never be sorry if God is at work in the lives of His people. Just lift Jesus name up. In otherwords praise God.

[truth_child]

many times JESUS has let me know that the only reason i am still here is that HE has a purpose for me in this life so i will just keep going till HE CALLS me homei know that HE saved me and i do THANK HIM FOR THAT i know HE WILL SAVE anyone who comes to HIM IN FAITH

[turtle]

many times JESUS has let me know that the only reason i am still here is that HE has a purpose for me in this life so i will just keep going till HE CALLS me homei know that HE saved me and i do THANK HIM FOR THAT i know HE WILL SAVE anyone who comes to HIM IN FAITH

That is more like arron I know. Now keep it up, you are not yourself unless you have a praise on your lips.

[truth_child]

yes no one is destined to be saved or lost even judas was given every opurtunity to be saved but he would not come TO JEUS and beleive. i do thank GOD im am on my way to heaven

[turtle]

yes no one is destined to be saved or lost even judas was given every opurtunity to be saved but he would not come TO JEUS and beleive. i do thank GOD im am on my way to heaven

Arron, I am going to ask you a question. Do not get mad at me it is only a question.

Here it goes: If you mess up and sin, do you loose your salvation? And if not why? And if so why? And if you believe somewhere in between, what happens if you sin right before you die, by lying to your kid or something are you going to hell?

[truth_child]

turtle i beleive that i f aperson is saved and sins thery must ask forgivness if they continue in sin they lose their salvation. if they repent and come back to GOD they are saved. i would not want sin in my life if JESUS WERE TO COME FOR me today

[turtle]

turtle i beleive that i f aperson is saved and sins thery must ask forgivness if they continue in sin they lose their salvation. if they repent and come back to GOD they are saved. i would not want sin in my life if JESUS WERE TO COME FOR me today

Nor I, but you and I know we are not perfect in the since of human error. We make mistakes and continue to make mistakes even after getting saved.

[truth_child]

yes and i beleive that there is a difference between sinning and making a mistake. sometimes we cant ell the difference between the two but if i sin i will know it and if i make a mistake i will know it and GOD will forgive both

[turtle]

yes and i beleive that there is a difference between sinning and making a mistake. sometimes we cant ell the difference between the two but if i sin i will know it and if i make a mistake i will know it and GOD will forgive both

Romans 5:12-14 KJV
(12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
(14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

[truth_child]

but we do have the law OF GOD written in our hearts so we can know when we sin

[turtle]

but we do have the law OF GOD written in our hearts so we can know when we sin

Arron, I admit the Holy Spirit is in us, but even so sometimes we do not recognize something has sin even when it pricks our heart. Habits and sin are one of them things that if we continue in them sometimes God allows us to sink so deep til we have to reach up to get in right standing with God.

[robertmejiayah]

Harold Camping is writting a new book with biblical support from the Holy Bible. It's going to probably be called: "To God Be The Glory!" The Bible Study material is FREE of charge from Family Radio. It should explain more about the Saved and the UnSaved.

[jargon631]

i was forcibly "saved" by baptism when i was 12...since i left the academy i have "saved" myself from being an adventist...in my life, that is the "saving" that counts...saving myself from a bunch of zealous half-wits...fd

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

i was forcibly "saved" by baptism when i was 12...since i left the academy i have "saved" myself from being an adventist...in my life, that is the "saving" that counts...saving myself from a bunch of zealous half-wits...fd

Amen! and pass the bacon . . .

[jargon631]

Amen! and pass the bacon . . .


mmm...pork steaks...the funny thing is that tha adventists i have run across who found out who i was in relation to the church have been very angry with me...some were even agressively violent...bad idea theater...fd

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

mmm...pork steaks...the funny thing is that tha adventists i have run across who found out who i was in relation to the church have been very angry with me...some were even agressively violent...bad idea theater...fd

Play attention to how some are treated on this board. Mr. Bear and Mr. MCMSTAFF78 both walked out of the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism. Check out the way King of Waffles talks about the RCA (Mr. Bear) and the Orthodox (Mr. MCMSTAFF78). I asked King of Waffles to condemn Mr. Arron's church (Church of God) for being in full communion with the ELCA (not to mention hundreds of pentecostal churches) like he condemns Mr. Bear's church. His double-standards kick in.

[truth_child]

TATM... QUIT YOUR LYING THE CHURCH of god IS NOT IN communion with the elca. you have lied so much that you cant quit lying

[Night_Light]

He just spreads anger and lies here TC.. he is the king of wishful thinking..R

[jargon631]

"but the only real emporer is the emporer of ice cream"...fd

[truth_child]

TATM... QUIT YOUR LYING THE CHURCH of GOD IS NOT IN communion with the elca. you have lied so much that you cant quit lying
IT NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE

[jargon631]

"but the only real emporer is the emporer of ice cream"...fd


anybody?...anybody?..might light, i know u can get this one...fd

[turtle]

anybody?...anybody?..might light, i know u can get this one...fd

emperor, makes ice cream. baskin robins.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

TATM... QUIT YOUR LYING THE CHURCH of god IS NOT IN communion with the elca. you have lied so much that you cant quit lying

You will find the list beginning with post #690 and going through post #699 on this thread. Yes by all means carefully check the list provide.

Look under the thread " Is there a second or subsequent event to salvation."

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

IT NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE

Please check the list given above.

[truth_child]

i did and i dont belong to either.. not the church OF GOD of prophecy not the church OF GOD (anderson ind) nor none of the others. i belong to a pentecostal church and besides the church OF GOD of the prophecy does not belong to it either i dont kn0ow about the church OF GOD (anderson ind) as they are non.. pentecostal so again youve been caught in your lies tatm

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

i did and i dont belong to either.. not the church OF GOD of prophecy not the church OF GOD (anderson ind) nor none of the others. i belong to a pentecostal church and besides the church OF GOD of the prophecy does not belong to it either i dont kn0ow about the church OF GOD (anderson ind) as they are non.. pentecostal so again youve been caught in your lies tatm


You will find the list beginning with post #690 and going through post #699 on this thread. Yes by all means carefully check the list provide.

Look under the thread " Is there a second or subsequent event to salvation."

[truth_child]

i did or is there something you cant understand? where did you get this list (made up) anyway what verifiable evidence do you have for it something proff not just post sos and so
you have no proff all this is brought about by your hatred of pentecostals and your hatred of me ( and other christians ) you are an unsaved lying hypocrite

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

i did or is there something you cant understand? where did you get this list (made up) anyway what verifiable evidence do you have for it something proff not just post sos and so
you have no proff all this is brought about by your hatred of pentecostals and your hatred of me ( and other christians ) you are an unsaved lying hypocrite

You will find the list beginning with post #690 and going through post #699 on this thread. Yes by all means carefully check the list provide.

Look under the thread " Is there a second or subsequent event to salvation."

[truth_child]

i did and i read the list but you have not said where you got the list or whose authority it came from

[robertmejiayah]

It is a very serious matter that GOD talks about all throughout the Bible.

[truth_child]

robertmejiayah im sorry iv haven tb been on here in a while what were you speaking about

[truth_child]

robert i dont see how any one can say some are destined to be saved and some are destined to be lost when the bible say for GOD so loved the world that whosoever beleiveth .......
now if JESUS loved the world that whosoever believes shall be saved how can any on be destined to be saved or lost

[truth_child]

robert GOD loved the world so HE put man here and then man failed it wasnt GODS FAULT but GOD knew he would fall but HE gave him a free choice to eat or not eat (sin or not sin)

[truth_child]

and why would GOD create one to go to hell and another to go to heaven without giving them a choice GOD IS LOVE and HE KNOWS all and gives ALL a opurtunity to be saved.

[truth_child]

as i said GOD IS AGOD OF LOVE HE always gives every opurtunity to be saved. HE could and would have saved judas if judas had come to HIM

[robertmejiayah]

May God Teach Us!