Cultblunderbs Shepherdbs Chapel Thread

[smyrna]

This thread could turn out to be one of the more entertaining threads at Cultblunders. (for the uninitiated, I am referring to www.cultbusters.com.au (http://www.cultbusters.com.au))

The CB Shepherd's Chapel thread was designed, I suppose, from their need to taunt us.

In addition, they also must feel the need to spread their lies without fear of being proven wrong, which will fail, becuase this thread is designed to oppose those lies, misrepresentations, and just pure gossip mongering.

Here is just one snippet we can laugh at, from a character named "Believil""

"A few insults fly and I throw them right back then a few days later I am banned.

I think one of my favorite moments was when one specific poster actually said that these two characters on South Park were like the 2 witnesses mentioned in the Bible. These 2 specific characters were Terrance and Philip. Those who aren't familiar with this show, I will go into a bit of detail about these 2.


What forum is this person talking about? I don't know of anyone who has been banned here, so if not here, where? This person does not say.The previous post talsk about the Lake of Fire thread here, so I'm assuming they are talking about FN.

The poster goes on to talking about the TV program South Park, and proceeds to display their knowledge of the show. I don't remember seeing any post like that here, but the Lake of Fire thread has been dead for a while.

Of course, the poster claims the person he is talking about deleted all the posts about this.

Is there any docuemntion coming from these people that they can actually produce?

As we go on, you will quickly see this pattern of making accusations, claiming there is documentation, but when asked to produce it, or when they know they will be asked, it is conveniently not available.

[smyrna]

Here's a good one. I'm just going to paste it here, and let you all go at it! It's too funny, and addresses the gun incident:

RLS
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Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 05:06:04 AM »

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......" I love this one "well Peter carried a sword"-yeah things were pretty tough in the times of Jesus weren't they-I'm suprised they even think it was a sword, doesn't everything in the Bible mean something else anyway-maybe the sword was a....I'm not even going to use such language. Ah Yes- the Bible tells us to live like Peter...not... Peter was pretty hot tempered, he also denied Christ 3 times, the Bible never says to any of us- live like Peter-follow his example- he was perfect"

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[rachelengland]

Oh please do me justice you posted out of context..it's okay I still like you Smyrnahttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif


...... I love this one "well Peter carried a sword"-yeah things were pretty tough in the times of Jesus weren't they-I'm suprised they even think it was a sword, doesn't everything in the Bible mean something else anyway-maybe the sword was a....I'm not even going to use such language. Ah Yes- the Bible tells us to live like Peter...not... Peter was pretty hot tempered, he also denied Christ 3 times, the Bible never says to any of us- live like Peter-follow his example- he was perfect.


Does the Pope carry a pistol? Does Billy Graham have a pistol in his breif case, come on I don't even think the President has a gun in his back pocket, is Murray even in the same ranking as these men?? Would they use it because some "detractor" stood up and said blasphemer-no, I think not-a body guard might step in and handle the situation???

His followers aren't very good at listening either, an admin of a website tells them, hey watch your band length, stop posting verses and nobody listens, one guy uses up so much band length and he writes like 5 words...sheer disobedience...listen to your leader only...that about sums it up!

[rachelengland]

At least we haven't started naming popular jews as kenites as was done on figtree..I certainly hope you don't agree with that Smyrna...I would be broken hearted...R

[smyrna]

This post is my favorite so far:

ShadowCat
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Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2007, 12:27:10 PM »

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"Oh and one more thing Viv(Godhcild) - those lectures I had on my computer the person that sent them to me told me that they got them from a person that use to work for the Chapel. This ex employee quit because she claimed she caught Pastor Murray in the barn errrmmm well 'grove worshipping'. Some sort of sex/Baal worship I guess. I was told that there was a big stink about this a few years back on a message board called the figtree. I don't know how much truth there is to this, but I really don't see why this woman would lie. She had been working for the Chapel for awhile I guess. I have never met her or spoken to her so I don't know."

Smyrna: By the way, this person claims the files being referred to were "lost" because they were on the "old computer" like people really don't reload their files on their new computer?

No matter what the excuse, here is an example of someone who claims something, but automatically has an excuse as to why they cannot provide documentation to support their accusations.

Prior to the post above, this person sets up the excuse:

"There is a whole lot more I could tell you about those other(Murray) lectures I had, some really really strange stuff..... .

I did have an old newsletter but I don't have it anymore either, it was on my old computer."

Note also, the post is peppered with revealing statements such as "I was told" (gossip) and "I never met her or spoke to her".

So all this is is pure gossip, 100%.

Another tactic I will reveal in another post is their treatment of what they call obviously see as "evidence". But as you will see, this "evidence" must be modified to fit their accusations.

One more point: the person claimed they had just "a newsletter" on their old computer, and then further on they refer to "lectures" so what is it they really had, if anything?

That post has more holes than swiss cheese. But the CB gossip worshippers are right there, sucking it all up.

[smyrna]

Rachel wrote:

"At least we haven't started naming popular jews as kenites as was done on figtree..I certainly hope you don't agree with that Smyrna...I would be broken hearted...R"

First, of course I don't agree with it. But I'm glad you brought that up.

Because according to the accuser, the posts you mentioned at Figtree were "deleted", which supports my contention that the CB crew says they "had" evidnce, but somehow it always seems to not be available.

Now you claim I has posted things "out of context."

Of course, I'm not going to copy and paste the whole thing here. But anyone can go to CB and read everything there. So there is no deliberate ommission of anything.

[rachelengland]

Actually smyrna I have a copy of those conversations you are always welcome to email and I can forward them over to you...They were posted here as well but I like you do not want tp use up too much space the moderators have asked us to keep it breif...R

[skooter942000]

So this SWORD was not a real SWORD?

Perhaps it was a "LILLY" (...or "Pansy").
- Meaning a PRETTY FLOWER.





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RE: From CB

......" I love this one "well Peter carried a sword"-yeah things were pretty tough in the times of Jesus weren't they-I'm suprised they even think it was a sword, doesn't everything in the Bible mean something else anyway-maybe the sword was a....I'm not even going to use such language.

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- Did the healing not actually take place too?



An Atheist must have written this.
- Certainly Not a CHRISTIAN!~~~!~~~!

- And one with possible "hidden desires".




Question:

- what Christian in their right mind,
would follow their theories?

Or desire to spend time with them?
while they Attack CHRIST ,(And the TRUTH)?

I would not spend time with someone who MOCKS GOD. - (for sport)




BTW / The President doesn't need a GUN.

HE has people that watch over him,
(&amp; they have GUNS).

See [Secret Service]



So people take messages from here.
And discuss them there?



Nothing like wasting time ,
- (While there is time to waste) http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif


- That will all end soon according to gc.
- (according to SC).
- Which is not quite [honest].


Many of "The LOST', simply don't want Salvation.

- and it shows.



1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the
woman being deceived was in the transgression.


1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved
in childbearing, if they continue in faith and
charity and holiness with sobriety.

(Message edited by skooter942000 on February 06, 2007)

[rachelengland]

Skooter(sorry Donald), I will not argue with you..you have your beliefs and yes,Christ did restore the ear of the soldier. He can turn anything around and make it into something good-He is awesome!!!

I just wonder why after a very kind admin told you he was concerned lately with bandwidth that you keep posting as you do strtching out sentences and such..it just comes across as rebellious..though I see a gentle spirit in you, I wonder why you do this- is it to be whitty.R


(Message edited by rachelengland on February 06, 2007)

[manu_forti]

Once again, I come back to see the same old thing, so-called-Christians accusing each other. My, how the cause of the Gospel is increased (sarcasm).

What’s next, spears and arrows? A pox on both your houses! What a time wasting endeavor to try to one-up your opponent on the internet. I should know because I’ve done it. May God forgive me.

You think you’re doing God a service? Really do you…? I’m talking to both sides now. Not to just the Shepard’s Chapel folks. I’m talking to the ‘anti-Shepard’s’ chapel folks too!

Most of you know me, and you know what has happened in my life. I have to share this; when I got back from Israel in a mistaken attempt to retire over there during a troubling time. I can’t relate to you the hate that I’ve witnessed that has been festering over there for centuries. And for what? Race, religion, creed, color? Why are we as humans so in a hurry to kill each other off?


Honestly I don’t agree with much of anything that Arnold Murray teaches…. Well again I don’t agree with anything he teaches actually, but I’ll defend his right to say it until the day he draws his last breath. He has that right as an American. Just as long as he doesn’t advocate taking arms against Kenites. (sorry just a joke)


I pray for the peace of Jerusalem but also for the peace between believers. Can it happen? I don’t think so anymore. So I guess you’ll go back to your accusing games. Nothing will change and a week from now the same bile will be on this blog. May God give you the grace to see what you’re doing.

[smyrna]

Manu,

It is good to hear from you again. I kow it doesn't look like it, but I think the boards here may be turning somewhat.

I look at it this way: more and more, those who are coming here are recognizing that the SC students vs the detractors is not just mud slinging.

I believe that, based upon our (SC) strategy of using the detractor's own words and actions to
show they are not credible, the newcomers to the boards here have commented that they are not trusting the detractors i.e. mainly Godchild and Franklin, with Observer and others identified with cultbusters.com.au

But note that I am not saying they are coming here and converting to the SC's theological positions, far from it. But at least we can be more civil.

My ire towards the aformentioned detractors is based upon their dishonest tactics and hypocrisy.

I must add that unlike the detractors, I stand ready to admit guilt as far as using name calling and other ways to frustrate the detractors, but mainly I concentrate on using their own words.

We (SC) don't have to twist their words into something they did not intend, like they do to us so often, but simply to point out they are adept sticking their collective feet in their mouths.

It also must be remembered Manu, that we (SC) are on the defensive here, and feel we must do this, because there has to be a voice in defense of all the phoney allegations.

We respect those who disgaree with SC teachings, we know some of the material is controversial, but we have our right to beleive what we do, and expect to do so without being attacked.

The detractors set up these up these boards *initially*, not the SC students. We have just come here to defend against the misrepresentations of the detractors. Any explanantions of our beliefs have been posted in order to show how the teachings of the SC are being misrepresented. And if you don't believe that, just read the threads here, and see how the detractors do this over and over.

They deliberately persist on making the same misrepresentations, even after we have rendered clarifications, and otherwise have informed them of those same misrepresentations, and documented why they are not correct.

But yet they willingly and forcefully bear false witness againt us.

And that is the difference between us and them. It is not, as you say Christian against Christian. It is honest disagreement vs dishonest tactics.

[smyrna]

Rachel wrote:
"Actually smyrna I have a copy of those conversations you are always welcome to email and I can forward them over to you...They were posted here as well but I like you do not want to use up too much space the moderators have asked us to keep it breif...R"

Sure, go ahead. My email is cephasalpha@yahoo.com

I didn't see any posts that can be verified by seeing them on Figtree, that they were talking about Hollywood celebrities being kenites. After all, that thread of yours is looking like a rumor mill, and I have already stated why.

But even before I read them, note that like I said, my brief visit to Figtree recently tells me there are new students there, and even if they were veteran students, who have studied for years with SC, SC cannot be held responsible for the actions or words of anyone at Figtree, the season, or anyhwere esle.

Superimpose this on not only events in the Bible,but other analogies we can illustrate.

Does anyone blame the actions of Judas on the teachings of Jesus?

Let's say you are a Methodist. You are a Methodist and you run around and tell people you hate Catholics.

Now is the Methodist Church guilty of teaching Methodists should hate Catholics? Even if they teach on Sunday they disagree with Catholic teachings, does that mean Methodists are being taught to be anti-Catholic, and to hate Catholics?

Then why do the detractors automatically think that when Murray teaches about the Kenites, it somehow automatically maeans to them that we are being taught to hate Jews?

I feel silly even trying to explain this to you, because you have been here how long?

Those at the Figtree and the Season, if they are truly into identifying Hollywood celebrities with the kenites, they are abusing the teachings, and that is not Arnold Murray's fault at all.

In addition, even if we observe that pornography,violence, and other immoral behavior is celebrated by Hollywood, I would think that anyone with common sense would know that we could not possibly believe that ALL people involved in producing such things in Hollywood or anywhere else are all kenites. I mean, come on!

It's like saying that anyone who does anything evil is a kenite. That is just extremist foolishness by detractors or anyone else, SC students included.

In closing, you and the other CB crew ought to be very careful about pointing accusatory fingers at those with SC, because it is very clear that hypocrisy is rampant with Frankie, Godchild &amp; co.

And once again, the SC cannot be blamed for the actions of some students, anymore than you can be blamed for Godchild's or Frankie's actions.

[rachelengland]

Smyrna, I will get those too you this evening. Unfortunately at work they have blocked us from opening up personal email..though sometimes their software isn't working today it is..I'll send them off and let me know what you think about this and if you see any danger in it. I understand I can not blame all scers for what some with controversial views believe but it looks like more people are becoming aware of the serpent seed thru FN and CB... Take care R

[gorobb]

yes, blocked.

we are all someone's godchild.

[skooter942000]

http://www.findmyhosting.com/bandwidth.htm




Rachel ,
- posting Scriptures that are pertinent,
is not going against what the MODERATOR shared.

Leaving SPACE in the messages,
(does not take up more bandwidth).

Where did you get this from?


Did he tell me not to leave SPACE
in the messages?



'i' never share scriptures ,
- (just to post something).

Do the scriptures bother you personally?

They BOTHER the godless.

And perhaps they should be bothered by them.

They come here to MOCK GOD , (at times).

Then there are those who desire to uderstand.


No one likes to be corrected.
=-= But correction must come.

Do you desire any SOUL "here" , - to PERISH?
)_well neither do 'i'_(

- But Eternal LIFE is a CHOICE.
(Freely Given to us "ALL")

-but it must be accepted.
- (certain RULES do apply)



I have cut down on the Scriptures.
- Do you not agree?


BUT "ALMIGHTY GOD" has a RIGHT to speak
for HIMSELF.

Even HERE in this GROUP.

-The scriptures are HIS WORDS.

The Scriptures are MEAT, (For us all).

Sometimes it HURTS to read them.

But a little PAIN, is better than a LOST SOUL.

Who is in control?
- (man or GOD)?

Who owns everything,
- (Even the AIR that we BREATHE)


FREE SPEECH is just that.

If i choose to post a few SCRIPTURES,
that is my RIGHT ,(as long as i do so
within the parameters given me).

- Freedom of Religion, - (is GOOD).


- Can't Dispel the DARKNESS,
- without The LIGHT ...Meaning (GOD'S WORD).



http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif
Don <*))><

[rachelengland]

Don, scripture does not bother me..I guess I just thought the way you posted and with what little you have to say- that you were taking up a lot of space..But I must admit..your style is very unique...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[smyrna]

Rachel,

I'm still waiting for you to send me copies of those emails you mentioned on Feb. 7, the ones you said you would send that very evening.

[arron]

hey rachel england how are you ? saw where you had posted. always praying for you and you for me ok?

[smyrna]

Ok, well, after seven days, we still have not received any copies of the emails that Rachel said she had. And this solidifies my earlier contention.
If you read the accusations on Cultbsters SC thread, you will see that they have no evidence, though they claim to have it, but when they are challeneged to show us, the excuses start flying.

What will be the excuse this time? The computer is blocked, or the emails were "accidentally" deleted, a virus attacked their computer, etc.

Maybe we should have a contest, and anyone who guesses the correct excuse will win a Companion Bible, or maybe a copy of the Book of Enoch (the one Godchildssays was not divinely inspired and should not be respected, even though Jude quotes it).


Notice also that the CBers are avoiding this thread, and continue to have a liars' convention over at CB, because there they can lie, make false accusations, twist and distort what the Chapel teaches, and enagage in other nonsense unoppossed, for the most part, even though I see that "Shadowcat" over there is beginning to see what a whack job Frankie is. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[rachelengland]

I sent those copies to your email, please check again if you did not get them let me know and I shall resend them. My hope is that you truly did not receive them and you aren't just spreading a lie R

[rachelengland]

Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:45:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "Rachel England" <rachel_englands@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Kenite Conversations
To: Cephasalpha@yahoo.com
Hi Smyrna Hope your doing well..here is a portion of that conversation about "modern" day Kenites...-if they don't come thru just let me know I can post them at factnet.. Rachel


abbzeq
Senior Winnower
Posts: 1446
(1/27/07 4:17 pm)
Reply Re: The sin in the garden/do not 'touch' the tree
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Tell you what Olive.....since I have no idea how to do the picture thing.....once a week we should add a new face to that picture of faces you made up.....lets add another one today.....how bout that brown haired woman from the view.....the one that looks exactly like bette and barb.

Lets test the theory out to see if the kenites are as invisible as some people claim they are.
My opinion is that they have about 12 or 13 different facial characteristics depending on which tribe their pappy infected and then a number of other characteristics depending on what race their pappy and his buddies have polluted.

So lets just stick with the one specific type of facial characteristic which bette barb the woman from the view and many more media people have.

Lets see how people who agree with Jim's theory argue their way out of this one.....but they wont.....because they cant.
Theyll just continue to be bullies and hurl insults even in the face of absolute reality.




abbzeq
Senior Winnower
Posts: 1448
(1/27/07 9:32 pm)
Reply Re: The sin in the garden/do not 'touch' the tree
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Ok thanks buddy.....that was great but i was hoping to get just one large picture of each quite a bit larger if you could.....and then if you dont mind finding and putting up a picture of a really pretty looking red haired woman about the age of 35 and do the same thing for a blonde haied woman.
Place both pictures directly under the 4 large pictures of bette and barbra etc.

I challenge any human being on planet earth to convice me or anyone else here that these 4 people of the 'kenite persuassion' shall we say, look like Hebrews.
Cmon now.....no more mouthing off jibberish about some invisible people b.s......put your money where your mouth is.

Teashshur
Junior Winnower
Posts: 1389
(1/27/07 9:39 pm)
Reply
Re: The sin in the garden/do not 'touch' the tree
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so, you mean that red-heads are kenites?

As you can see I sent them Feb 12th I just resent them again to your email again....

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
I can hear Ricky in the background saying,
"Lucy,you're a Kenite!"

LOLOLOL.

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[skooter942000]

ONE person thinking these 4 are Kenites
is a personal opinion.

- Nothing more.

'I' would not say, (They are).
- Not at all.



Some Students, (believe all JEWS are TARES).

Some of us, know better.

- There are GOOD FIGS, - (And BAD).
= JEREMIAH 23

- (oh i mean Jeremiah 24)!!!


Besides (Rev 2:9/Rev 3:9)
Explain they are not ACTUALLY "JEWS",
(by Birthright).

Which means what?


= Take a GUESS

But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned
among themselves, saying, This is the heir:
come, let us kill him, that the inheritance
may be ours. [Luke 20]




They are a SMALL PEOPLE. (Dan 11)

- Very FEW in numbers.

Compared to the General Population.



"THEY HAVE MIXED" into all the Wonderful Races.
- (Ethnic Peoples)


"WE" know them by their FRUIT.

- not by SIGHT. (Looks)






And MARC (Who shared the PICS),
said that these are not necessarily
KENITES.

- it was just shared as an example.

- he is simply trying to understand.


We talked , &amp; (he removed the pics)
- Pointing FINGERS (&amp; GUESSING) - is wrong.



<font color="ff0000"><font size="+1">What do you detractor believe the TARES are.
Please Explain them to us.


X________________________________
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- Etc</font></font>

[sharon]

Skooter... Mostly I do not understand your posts. Like the one above me. Needs more words, less space.

[oneway]

skooter942000,


You stated: "What do you detractor believe the TARES are.
Please Explain them to us.


X________________________________
_________________________________
_________________________________

- Etc"
Matthew 13:41 *The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;



Genesis 3:15 *And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Matthew 13:37 *He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;(Genesis 3:15 her seed)


Matthew 13:39 *The enemy that sowed them is the devil; (Genesis 3:15 thy seed)

As you can see, no sex involved anywhere. No satan mating with Eve, no Cain being the literal offspring of the devil and Jesus was born of a virgin.

[godchild]

tares: a kind of darnel.

darnel: Any of several Eurasian grasses of the genus Lolium, especially L. temulentum or L. perenne. Also called ryegrass.

weedy annual grass often occurs in grainfields and other cultivated land; seeds sometimes considered poisonous. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[fatherofaking]

i like scooter's posts.

they are unique and insightful.

[franklin]

"twist and distort what the Chapel teaches"

arnie or "the chapel" teaches twistings and distortions of God's word.

a "whack job" to smearnoff is a believing Christian. Well there are a billion of us "whack jobs"!

What are there 5 or 6 of you SC students here who believe that Adam and Eve had sex with satan? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

Sorry Frankie,

Anything you say is not being taken seriously, even by those on CB. I see what's going on there.

You have long ago blown any credibility, especially since you posted that racist website onehumanrace.com, that claimed the races came from genetic mistakes and a curse. Talk about twisted!

Now your CB buddies are discussing whether satan exists or not, and whether the Torah was really written by Moses. Hey, do they believe in anything the Bible says over there?

You are a joke Frankie, even people over at CB know it. That Shepherd's Chapel thread you people have is quite entertaining. I call it the Coward's Corner.

You clowns got so frustrated getting beat up whenever you falsely accused us over here, you had to go back to your "safehouse" where no one can challenge your silly lies.

If anyone thinks this is not so, all they have to do is read these threads, especially the Shepherd's Chapel Students thread, there anyone can see how you all were so easily exposed, even many anti-chapel people saw how ridiculous you, Godchild, and the other CBers are.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[smyrna]

Rachel. No, I did not get them, it is not a lie, so please resend them to Cephasalpha@yahoo.com

[skooter942000]

Plain and simple:

"Tares" are "FALSE GRAIN". (False seed_)




Knowing the Parable of the SOWER.

Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of
the kingdom, and understandeth [it] not,
then cometh the wicked [one],
and catcheth away that which was sown
in his heart. This is he which received seed
by the way side.



GOD sows - (SEED)
satan sows - (SEED)


This seed _(here)_ is "GOD'S WORD"/(GOD'S TRUTHS).

- satan's seed - (Are his lies)/To corrupt the TRUTH.



Parable defined:

(Thayer's Greek)
A Partial definition

c) a narrative, fictitious but agreeable to
the laws and usages of human life, by which
either the duties of men or the things of God,
particularly the nature and history of God's
kingdom are figuratively portrayed

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In MATT 13:36

The Disciples were still confused.
...of what this meant...


They said to CHRIST:

|
V
Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.



This Parable ""NOW"" ,
- IS BE-(ING) explained. - "BY MESSIAH"
- To HIS DISCIPLES. (And to us all)


CHRIST is explaining this "Analogy FULLY"!!!
- HERE IS THE DEEPER MEANING.


- (So this is NOW FACTUAL).
- &amp; Not FICTIONAL


The Symbolism is OUT THE DOOR , - HERE:


[SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR ALL TO SEE]


The field is the world;
the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

SPERMA = SEED
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?strongs=4690

"we" are speaking of "PROGENY" (Period).


GOD is THE Creator (ELOHIM).
GOD planted SEED (CHILDREN) - In the GARDEN

satan planted seed too.

(They did not use the same tools to accomplish this).

FATHER SPEAKS (Heb AMAR) - (And HE Creates)

And GOD said:
Gen 1:3-6-9-11
Gen 1:14-20-22-24-26 - (Etc)

satan tries to copy GOD.
he is always trying to copy GOD.
he wants to RULE.

(But he is The Destroyer) = APOLLYON/ABADDON

he does not have the POWER to create LIFE.
- NOT LIKE GOD.

- but he has power to "procreate-(LIFE)".


In the GARDEN he tried to corrupt the seed-line
of CHRIST.

- To TAINT it.

These are the FACTS.

We have shared this, (Time and Time again).

IF CHRIST was born with a SPOT. (or Blemish)

If his seed-line was CORRUPT, (in some manner).

HE would not have been the Perfect Offering (chatta'ah),
for our SINS. - [TO ATONE FOR THEM]

If everyone here would take a step back,
and Pray about this (After ONE IS SPIRITUALLY CLEAN_),
- "FATHER" would hear your request.
- (*IF) you do things, "HIS-WAY".


A child in good standing,
- (Will be Blessed).

= Isaiah 43:25-26


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Mal 4:5 -(6)
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
and the heart of the children to their fathers,

[smyrna]

Ok Rachel,

I got the emails,thanks. I don't see anything but these folks tossing around ideas on how they might recognize a Kenite.
My problem is they should look beyond physical characteristics, and perhaps they do, as you only posted two of their comments.

In addition, I saw nothing in them about celebrities, and I also have yet to see any evidence of that stupid allegation about Pastor Murray "grove worshipping" which has to stand as one of the most silly allegations that have come our way.

I am sure that allegation will backfire big time on Godchild or anyone else who has the audacity to repeat it without any evidence whatsover.

I can assure you that I will be repeating it to them until I see some evidence. And evidence is not "he said, she said" or "I had it but lost it" or "I didn't hear her say this, but someone else did" or some other nonsense.

[david_munson]

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We need to redefine "Kenite".
A Kenite is any one who is not saved.
That should do it.

That is closer to the reality we are in now.
A persons genealogy makes no matter to the issue of salvation as far as God is concerned.

Christ died for the lost ,which is all of mankind.
Of what importance could it be to know whom is from what lineage?
It can't change anything.
It doesn't make one any better.
It doesn't speak of Christ and edify.

Christ died for all because it was all that where lost.
Isn't that the message we are to present to the world?
That there is hope in a time of hopelessness?
What hope does genealogy give to any who may be seeking?

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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[smyrna]

No Dave, we don't need to redifne what is already defined by the Word. Kenite comes from "kayin" in other words related to Cain, or sons of Cain. Period.

What needs to change is the attitude of people who choose to abuse the knowlegde of the descendants of Cain to hate people who are legitimately of Hebrew descent.

And we also always need to listen to the Word of Jesus, which educates us to leave the Tares alone, and let the Holy Spirit through the angels gather them together at the end of the age, as is stated in the parable.

God's Word is complete,and those who criticize the Chapel for teaching anti-semitism are just being ridiculous, for we know what the truth is, and those who are drawn to the Chapel who abuse the Word of God in this way, are responsible, not the Chapel.

[david_munson]

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Smyrna,
I think that we should bare witness of the salvation given us by the Christ to every one the Lord moves us to speak to.
All are in sin ,all are lost,all have had the price paid for them.
I myself do not differentiate between who is of what tribe or heritage or anything of that order because I believe that we are to tell all men.(women too)
I think you might agree with that but I don't know for certain.
How can they hear without someone speaking to them?

We all carry a message.
The question is,is it the tesimony of the cross or not.(Christ and Him cricufied)
It's at the cross that we find our way to the father.("I am the door".Christ)

It makes no matter what tribes people are from since they need to come to Christ to be saved.
Christ is an equal opportunity saviour.
"All who will may come freely."

That is the point I was trying to express in that last post.
That all are equally welcome to come and be washed in the cleansing blood.
(not that all will come though,which is quite sad)

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[smyrna]

Not much argument in rebuttal, Dave. Pastor Murray has said on many occasions that the Kenites, and even the fallen angels can find salvation if they would repent.

[oneway]

smyrna,


You stated: "and even the fallen angels can find salvation if they would repent."


I don't buy that for one second. You need to provide some scriptures for that.

[david_munson]

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There is no salvation for the angels that left their first estate.
They stood in the presence of the Lord god Himself and chose to rebel.

Christ did not come to save the angels but fallen man only.
That is one of the reasons satan wants to destroy all of mankind that he can.
The Blood does nothing to redeem him.
He is eternaly lost.

There is no scripture that applies to satan being saved.He cannot obtain salvation.
He knew what he was doing when he went against God.

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[david_munson]

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God made some reservations for the fallen angels.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

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[abiyah]

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Good Morning to you Oneway:

With regard to your above stated quote, I'm not sure which statement of the two that you "don't buy", for you did not specify. I will say however, that in my own understanding of God's Word that Salvation is not open to the fallen angels, as they refused to be born of water through the womb of a woman, but rather they came to earth to seduce woman. If I be in err with that statement, than I hope that my fellow labourers IN Christ The Lord, would indeed correct me, and not allow me to be in err with regards to The Scriptures of Truth in which I desire to share. We know that Christ Taught us that to SEE and to ENTER into The Kingdom of Heaven that one must first be 'born from above' = [ KJV reads 'born again' ], having to be born of water [= in the flesh ] and of Spirit [ John 3:3 ]. All that are born in flesh are born of water as they sit in that sac of water in their mothers womb. [John 3:3-13]. Therefore, we know that the fallen angels were never born of water, of woman, and so Salvation would not be open to them [Jude 1:6], and we know that at Christ Return at The Seventh Trump, these fallen angels, having already been sentanced in Jude 1:6, are slain [Revelation 11:13].

However, we see in the same Third Chapter of The Gospel of John, that Salvation is open to ALL who are 'born from above' in flesh, Salvation becomes open to ALL, whom-so-ever will
[ John 3:16 ] believe upon The Son of God, this includes the tares/kenites. Therefore, the 'tares/kenites' that believe upon Jesus The Christ, and except Him, are no longer children of the wicked one = which is the devil [ Matthew 13:38-39], but rather they become the children of The LORD God.

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[skooter942000]

The FALLEN ANGELS -(ARE SENTENCED TO PERISH).

That's where the NAME FALLEN comes from.

- They have FALLEN from GOD'S GRACE.

5307 naphal naw-fal' a primitive root; to fall,
in a great variety of applications
(intransitive or causative, literal or
figurative):--be accepted, cast (down, self,
(lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot),
(let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to)
fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing),
fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be
judged (by mistake for 6419), lay (along),
(cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast)
lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish,
present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay,
smite out, X surely, throw down.



They did this (ACT) with 100% of their Thinking
capacity INTACT.
- (We use only a portion of ours) 8 to 10% Approx




FATHER (ALMIGHTY GOD), is very FAIR.

- But this AGE ,(Is a second chance "Itself").


They -(just as satan), knew the RULES beforehand.


Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man
be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.



- The BOOK of JUDE is clear. (See GEN 6)



The FALLEN ANGELS are sentenced to PERISH.
- Just like satan. (They shall be Blotted OUT)
- Blotted out of the BOOK of LIFE.


If you are not in this BOOK,
"you don't exist".

Anyone with a MORTAL/(LIABLE to PERISH) - SOUL,
"will not enter into the Eternity".

2349. thnetos thnay-tos' from 2348; liable to die:--mortal(-ity).


The FLESH is for salvation. (PERIOD)
The SONS of CAIN are Born Innocent.
They followed the RULES - *(here)*


They can attain salvation, (if they accept it).
[Certain RULES do apply].


Hence JOHN 3:16-17

[&amp;]

Luk 10:27 And he answering said,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy strength, and with
all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.


Luk 10:28 And he said unto him,
Thou hast answered right: this do,
and thou shalt live.

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Kenites are not ANGELS.
They are Flesh Entities. (Period)

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[sharon]

For a minute there I thought you said Kenites were not angels they were Flesh eaters... Which of course they would have to be, I mean who puts death into themselves. Maybe that what a Kenite is one who fills oneself with dead things.

Just kidding I know not everyone who eats the flesh of the dead is a Kenite, that would be silly eh? But at least a return to paradise that little disgusting habit will be over... Until then cancer and all its ugliness will prevail.

I know! I know! a vegan Christian is a lot to put up with, but you have to love me it is my Fathers law.. and I love you so much I am telling you the truth. Put down that flesh it is cursed. Think I am wrong? Your body says I am not.
Da Vinci thought by now all man would think like him, and see that eating of flesh was an abmoination..Guess Da Vinci was not that smart after all. But he was smart enough not to eat flesh.
Not trying to start anything, just every once in a while I have to go on these little trips into the flesh eating thing. I do say sorry as I know this bothers some. But I feel if I do not say it you will not hear me.
And once again I am saying ..Mothers ..dairy is the number ONE cause of ear infections in children, and the allergies it causes can be far reaching. If you have a child that is suffering from such things remove all dairy from their diet.
Long ago when I was trying to make many understand about the Ozone layer I was told that it did not exist and I was crazy. An alarmist.
Some day you will look back on dairy this way. It is causing untold suffering NOW,,,not in the future. Dairy is the number one cause of allergies in the world.... not dust, or cats, but milk cheese and all the rest of it, maybe it is also why this generation is fat. Drink more milk..by the associated Dairy Industry.
Check out what the Non Profit.. Doctors for Responsible medicine say! It not just me.
Ok back to those Kenites,,,bet they were milk drinkers!
Oh and I am not saying you will not get into heaven, just that your time here will not be a wonderful as it could if you have a bag to poop in strapped to your side.
But by the time your specialist tells you to stop eating meat, the damage is already done.
Don’t believe me,, check it out. That is all I ask. I love you and do not want you to suffer or have to watch the suffering of those you love, when it is easy to prevent.
Back to those darn Kenites...

[skooter942000]

Sharon ,

CHRIST ate FLESH.

The PASSOVER LAMB , (Was a LAW) -For ISRAEL.

GOD gave us FLESH to EAT - (In LEV 11).

GOD gave Flesh to eat for the children
in the desert. (Wanderings)


You don't know what you are speaking of here
- (Dear)-.

If you decide not to partake (FINE).

But be careful pointing fingers at others.



Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the
children of Israel: speak unto them, saying,
At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning
ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall
know that I [am] the LORD your God.


I.E. The flesh of "quails"




Sharon ,
- IS THIS A SIN ,(in your sight)?

- HOW ABOUT IN GOD'S SIGHT?



ACCUSING GOD , is (unwise).

ACCUSING CHRISTIANS , is also (unwise).


Shall the creation tell the POTTER what is RIGHT?


The POTTER is THE POTTER.
&amp; The CLAY is the CLAY.


- It would do you well to remember this.


Perhaps if people would not partake of the KINGS MEAT ,
- (As did DANIEL and the THREE CHILDREN),
- one would live a much healthier life.


Every food eaten, (Should be taken in moderation)
+ Exercising does save lives.

- Clean food is just THAT!!!
- Not all foods are CLEAN.

+ we poison ourselves through our own stupidity.

Too much Mercury in the OCEANS?
What pesticides do we use in the fields?
What are we feeding our cattle?
What is in our drinking water?

- Cows are not to eat "COW PARTS".



"MAD COW" disease is REAL!!!


Asbestos in our WALLS?

- (i could go on).


Isa 7:21 And it shall come to pass in that
day, [that] a man shall nourish a young cow,
and two sheep;


Isa 7:22 And it shall come to pass, for the
abundance of milk [that] they shall give he
shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall
every one eat that is left in the land.



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Don <*))><

[smyrna]

ABIYAH,

I understand that satan is the only being conemned to perish. The fallen angels are separate entities, and though it is highly unilkely that they would ever repent, salvation is open to them. If that were not so, they would have been all called sonS of perdition in Scripture.

In addition, they fallen angels were said to have "sinned" and as we know, if one repents of sin, they are forgiven by Christ Himself.(ref.II Peter 2:4-8 and Jude v 9)

The difference in our views, Abyiah, may be that the fallen angels did indeed refuse to pass through the womb of woman,but that was a forgivable sin, and we know that there is only one unforgivable sin.

We could then, deduce that the fallen angels will refuse to ever bow to Christ, and thus are counted as "Legion" (Mark 5:9)and forever bound to satan, and therefore indeed moving towards perdition.

[smyrna]

I really don't know how to respond to Sharon's post. Skooter did bring up a good point, that Jesus ate meat.She seesm to imply that eating meat is forbidden by God, by saying:

"I know! a vegan Christian is a lot to put up with, but you have to love me it is my Fathers law..."

Maybe Sharon missed this verse from I Timothy:

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods(KJV reads "meats", which is food allowed under the Law, cf. Leviticus 11) which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth" (1 Tim. 4:1-3).

Doctrines of demons, Sharon. You ignore both Old and New Testament teachings, by Moses as well as Paul, in order to follow them.

Finally, how does she reconcile her criticism of dairy products,when Moses led his people to the "land of MILK and honey"?

(Message edited by smyrna on February 24, 2007)

[david_munson]

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What one eats or does not eat is a choice between them and the Lord.
Romans 14:2-3 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Eat or don't eat,it's an individual choice.
Not a big deal.
Nothing to pick at.

Unless that's your thing.
Picking at ,that is.

LOL

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[arron]

AMEN TO THAT WHAT WE EAT OR DONT EAT HAS NOTHING AND I SAY IT AGAIN TO DO WITH OUR SALVATION... we can eat all the meats we want or not that is up to us. GOD gave meat to be eaten and HE knows all things HE gives good thngs not bad. so meat is all right. for some one to say dont eat meat for it is a sin is like saying we can come to GOD some other way... no JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION PERIOD.

[skooter942000]

TRUTH be TOLD

Eating Swines flesh will not place ones
SOUL in jeopardy.



Remember "CHRIST" is our perfect example.


- Did HE eat, (Um , - Scavengers)?


- NO WAY!!!

"CHRIST" did not eat them.
Even Peter said , (He did not either).

- The disciples ate GOD'S WAY.

- They were disciples after all.



GOD told Israel , (His Flesh Children),
to not partake of it.

HE specifically said:
- (IT IS UNCLEAN/ TAME` = polluted)

Pigs were created to CLEAN the EARTH.
So we can live a healthier LIFE.

They are actually walking garbage disposals.
- (Facts are Facts)

They do not have sweat glands.

Every POISON they ingest ,
(Stays in the fat cells).



Israel and the Gentiles are made up
of the SAME MATERIAL. (From "Mother Earth")



If it is not healthy for them,
- Then.................(Insert common sense here)



I would never point A FINGER at others,
and say -(because you eat it), you are not saved.
- Or you are not a CHRISTIAN.

- that would be silly.

silly
silly
silly



If we desire to live a healthy life,
we should do , (What the creator says).

And no doubt everyone here, (in this group),
would love to be healthy.

Doctor visits cost $$$$$$$$



This Flesh BODY - (Is the LORD'S TEMPLE).

&amp; we should not defile it. (...think about this)

We are put on the EARTH - (TO please GOD).
- Everyone should remember this.



There are many other things to eat.



Shell fish should also be left alone.
- just like PORK.


FINS and SCALES?

= NOPE

= No fins ....or scales

They are BOTTOM FEEDERS

They were created to CLEAN the Ocean Floors.

- Just because something tastes good,
does not mean it is meant to be eaten(As food).

- But this is a choice. (Insert free-will)



CHRIST did not change the HEALTH LAWS.
- CHRIST obeyed them. "FULLY"

- So should we

We are not to walk after the FLESH.
We are to walk after the SPIRIT.


If someone decides to not eat FLESH, [GREAT].
- Complex proteins will do.




- can you say "TOFU". (i can)

http://www.csmngt.com/amino_acids.htm


Don <*))><

[david_munson]

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I can say "tofu" but my gag reflex won't allow me to eat it.
YUCK!!!!

Tofu=spurious meat.
LOL.

Can you say prime rib?

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[david_munson]

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Beware the arrival of the Tofu.
The anti-meat.
It comes packaged as a real meal while all the time it's just a fraud that tastes like something you can't get by the censers on a moderated website.
No,that tastes better.

Tofu,
the tasteless mans meal.
The meal for men without taste buds.

What is tofu anyway?
Does any one really know?
Is it like balogna?
People eat it but no one knows what's in it?
(No one wants to know what's in balogna,trust me on this one.)
Why do they spell it "balogna" when it's pronounced bah-lone-ee?

You got me going but I'll stop now.LMAO

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[skooter942000]

TOFU = SOY BEAN

- it basically is : coagulating soy milk

[sharon]

You are exactly right Scooter,,, it will not mean a thing to your soul.. So many do not see that I am not saying they will not go to heaven, or that their soul is in jeopardy. I am not saying that.
So let me try again and see if there are ears to hear. This is a pay as you go deal. Just like booze and drugs, whoreing and perversion, you pay now not later. Your bowels will not suffer in heaven, as you will not have any. You notice I did not send you to a priest, I sent you to the Doctors for Responsible Medicine.
Your children’s ear infections are now, here on earth, their crying is now. I am not trying to save your souls! Just your bodies from pain and suffering as has always been the case.
When you drink booze and find yourself in a car that has just killed someone, or you fought with your wife in a fight you can not even remember. You spent more money than you should, or you gambled away the rent. You have already paid the price for that booze. I am saying meat is the same, pay as you go. Do not ask your Doctor as he is a flesh eater, go ask a bowel specialist. He knows because he deals with the results. But usually by the time you reach the specialist you are already in trouble. I want you to see now, not then.
You know the only two people on these boards, and I am on a few, that came back and asked me about this both were diagnosed with bowel cancer and remembered me. Not flattering, but to me it is to late for my help. So I keep on saying it now. In the hopes that even one will hear and understand that I do not fear for your soul, but for your earthly suffering.
So here it is your BODY is the thing to suffer, not your soul. You are loved by your Father even if you eat dead things. Or drink booze, or gamble....and so on and so on.

And after all these years, you have wasted your time on all those verses, I have heard them all dozens of times. It still does not stop the pain of a baby with an ear infection, but if you take dairy away the pain will go away. That is what I am saying. You may quote those verses to a screaming baby but it will not have the desired effect. Check out what I say that is all I ask. Because I know almost everyone reading this board knows someone who is suffering from this sort of thing.

David, funny on the tofu... you know I do not know why I thought this but I thought you were a non flesh eater. You get an idea of someone in your head I guess, funny. It took me by surprise.
I knew exactly what Smyrna and Arron would say, but was surprised by you. For they have no ears to hear. And By the way I still do sit with drinkers and riotous eaters of flesh, hard not to when they are related to me. Lets face it BBQs and parties, hard to resist. But the Lord tells me I should not sit with them , well at least that is what it says in the bible. Oddly enough no one quoted that one. I did notice many quotes missing, but then this is not biblical, but a bodily matter.

[smyrna]

Sharon still puts man's science ahead of God's Word. Maybe she does not realize that it is not the meat, or milk, or eggs, or whatever, that is the culprit, but the way modern man treats it. they give cattle drugs, don't properly butcher the meat, etc. Such treatment, as with the drugs, affects the milk, cheese, etc.
No one will talk about that, science is funded by government for the most part, and anything that would open drug companies or cattle producers is hushed up, or at least glossed over or fought with alternative "scientific"(read political clout here) opinions.

There ar soucres for unpolluted meat and Kosher, yes, Kosher, products.

It is YOU, Sharon, who refuses to listen to the Word of God, and do not have ears to hear nor eyes
to see.

[david_munson]

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Smyrna,
maybe for you and I it is OK but Sharon may not because of her convictions.
There is nothing wrong with what Sharon believes about what she may or may not eat.

Are we all supposed to grow our hair long like Samson did for His great strength or do we each have a purpose that differs from others but compliments the body as whole?

Sharon believes she is obeying the Lord's will for her life,why would any one want to doubt that or discourage her from that?
Those kinds of things are between each believer and the lord.
You might be able to drink wine or beer with no problem.I cannot.
Who should follow who in example?
Neither.
One may,the other may not.
It is as simple as that.
One hand is left and one is right.
The right cannot say to the left,"you are less than I am or you must do what I do".

She wants to live healthy and that's not listening to God's Word according to who?
You can back this up with what verses?

I don't think I ever read,"thou must not eat healthy foods".

Come on now,you are just nit picking.You know that it's a good idea to eat healthy foods.
(if you can "afford" it.LOL.)

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[angie0401]

David,
I agree with you in that there are some things that are wrong for me that may not be for others. I smoked for several years, but really felt that I was convicted not to anymore; so if I smoke, I am being disobedient and IMO sinning. I know people that still smoke that are good Christian people, but haven't been convicted to quit so it isn't a sin for them.

I don't know about smyrna, but my problem with what sharon posted is summed up in this one part:

I knew exactly what Smyrna and Arron would say, but was surprised by you. For they have no ears to hear.

That sounds rather judgmental to me.

It also reminds me of when we quit eating pork; I have a sister that was very upset about it. She sent me several articles that were supposed to show me that there was no prohibition on eating it. I was amazed that she was worried that something I WASN'T doing ISN'T a sin. IOW - if sharon doesn't feel this is a spiritual matter, why claim that smyrna and arron "don't have ears to hear"?

[smyrna]

Mr. Munsun,

We are all endowed with free will. We thus can eat whatever we want, for whatever reasons. However, those health guidelines, (which is what they are) in Leviticus 11 are God's wisdom, and to put other's opinions over God's wisdom, is, pardon the pun, not Kosher.

Do we all listen? Do we all practice this? Of course not, because most of us were raised outside such rigid dietary frameworks.

But the point is,like Angie noted, Sharon tried to invoke a spiritual element into the matter by saying myself and Arron "don't have ears to hear" (she's half righthttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif)

[skooter942000]

Here are the verses Sharon was waiting for.



Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in
meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:


Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come;
but the body [is] of Christ.


Thayer's Lexicon Results for brosis
(Strong's 1035) - Greek for 1035

Pronunciation Guide
brosis {bro'-sis}

TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 1:642,111 from the base of 977
Part of Speech
n f
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) act of eating

a) in a wider sense, corrosion

2) that which is eaten, food, ailment

a) of the soul's food, either which refreshes
the soul, or nourishes and supports it



ONE MORE TIME:
- (If someone desires not to ingest "ANIMAL FLESH") - FINE. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif


GOD states it is OK to eat.

= (The foods created to be received)/1Tim 4:3


- And that is THAT!!!!!



- We need to make sure the FEED,
- (is not corrupted).


Cows should be eating Grass.
- Not GRAINS with PROTEINS ADDED.




This is a LAND of MILK and HONEY.
- And that is a GOOD THING!!!


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"ALMIGHTY GOD", (THE SON) - ate FLESH
- And was very healthy [T/F]
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So we must be doing something (WRONG),
if people are becoming ill.

Not that eating MEAT causes CANCER!!!

-That is not a PROVEN FACT.

Being a VEGAN can help (Possibly).
- But that is all.



Cancer CELLS are tricky.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_Lifelong_Vegetarians_May_Have_Lower_Breas t_Cancer_Risk.asp

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Lifelong Vegetarians May Have Lower Breast Cancer Risk
More Likely Due to More Vegetables Than to Less Meat http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif



<font color="0000ff">(Sharon)

Where does it state sitting with MEAT EATERS is (a SIN)?

Scriptures please </font>

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
I'm not certain what Sharon meant by saying that Arron and you don't have ears to hear.
I don't quite know how that would apply to this topic.

Sharon, could you help clear this up?
How do you mean "no ears to hear"?
I'm a bit confused about that myself.

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[smyrna]

Looks like Sharon, as well as the other three CBers
have joined their own minds and went on vacation.

Maybe they all went on a space ride somewhere. And with Captain Franklin piloting the ship, they could be just about anywhere. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

On the For-GC thread I outlined my case for showing that Frankie is suffering from a superiority complex.

The post form CB I copied above is just another indication of how not only Frankie, but that Admin character as well as Sharon and Rachel also are joining the Starship Arrogance.

Franklin and Admin are in their own Comfort Zone, where no one challenges whatever they have to say.

Sharon and Rachel refuse to challenge them,and if they say anything about the Chapel, which is always negative, as well as always false,they applaud, wholeheartedly agree, even if they have no clue if Frankie or anyone else is telling the truth.

The posts above where I copied their latest conversation, shows their arrogance. According to them, by the way they word their posts, there is no chance there is an alternative viewpoint to their own.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
The reality is that no one has a corner on the truth and every one has some error in what they believe and will have error while we are this side of eternity.
Not one person is exempt from that.

I can tell you of an error that I found in what I believed.
It was the doctrine of "touch not mine anointed".

I was wrongly taught that I could not question a pastors message and they used this particular verse to bolster the false teaching so that they could in effect control the laity.
(a practice known as Nicolaitanism)

The truth is that this verse warns not to physically harm God's prophets,priests and kings.
Since we that are of Christ are anointed,this verse could not mean that we can't question messages that we hear.In fact,Paul the apostle commends those that do question any messages that they hear by comparing it to the Word.

In this matter I was taught error by people who had ulterior motives other than that which is of God.
They knew they where lying.
They still continue to lie and manipulate the flock for their own purposes but at least I now know what they are doing and am helping to warn others until they come to the point of repentance.
Pride prevents them from admitting the truth for now but
God can deal with pride.

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[smyrna]

Dave wrote:

"The reality is that no one has a corner on the truth and every one has some error in what they believe and will have error while we are this side of eternity.
Not one person is exempt from that."

I agree. Now let's see if you can find just ONE post of Frankie's or Godchild's where they have ever admitted to being wrong, posted a retraction, or otherwise admitted to error no matter how trivial. You will not find one.

I can show you many posts where without any question, they were in error, and I'm not talking about doctrine or any theological issue.

Just plain comments, about this or that, that were not true at all, and when they were shown to be in error, POOF! The good old disappearing act!

And in cases where they actually stuck around, they totally IGNORED any posts that had proof they were wrong, or dishonest, or both.

[smyrna]

CB's SC Thread: The Ignorance Continues

Well, "illogical_al" is trying to outdo his own foolishness and ignorance. Here is waht he has to say today:
(Hooray, Frankie, I had to add a few more page views today!)

"The SC followers claim as I noted to a newcomer that they did not want to go over a topic again as it is proved on THEIR threads that they are correct and I have seen such replies more than once.
If thats so and they have proof lock stock and barrel that their theory is correct then why are they hanging around an anti cult site."

Smyrna: We can ask you why you hang around your site, especially since you don't allow any outsiders in. How many new members have you had in the last month?

"Illogical_al" "Just close their threads pack up and go home and leave a notice stating to all readers that the Serpernt Seed has been proven as correct and all of Christianity has had it wrong all this time..."

Smyrna: One can say the same thing about the rapture theory, which so many of you over at CB accept.

"illogical_al": "I am sure these words alone will give reason for historians to change the bibles wording."

Smyrna: One of the most stupid, ignorant statements I've heard. This goes to show you that when you these idiots have no one to challenge them on their own site, look what happens.
Historians do not have the authority to change any wording in the accepted Canon, save the various interpretations, which must still clear ecclesiastical panels for the different versions.
And the SS doctrine is an interpetation, not a theory, and not under the authority of historians, the same way as the rapture "theory" is treated.

The rest of his post is so stupid, since he now equates a supernatural being with dogs, cats, etc. it isn't even worth my time.

What an idiot, and a complete coward to boot, since he can spout off over there, but is afraid to come here and spew that nonsense.

Stay in your comfort zone with your blind followers, "Illogical_al" you get eaten up over here.

I'd start with your copy and past job about Satan.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Seems that the point has a way of getting lost in the translation.
By a mile.

The cause,deflective association.


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[smyrna]

Munsun,

You try to buy off how many of illogical_al's, Frankie and Godchild's errors, cowardice, and hypocrisy, with some catch phrase?

(Message edited by smyrna on March 11, 2007)

[oneway]

Some of you scers have a mentality of 3rd graders( I believe most of us can figure out who those may be).
If I was an scer, I would be embarrassed to be associated with some of you. If your ss teachings among others were truth, then the truth would be able to stand upon it's own without all of your diversions from it. You are your own detractors.
And the funny thing about it is, some of you are not even funny, just pathetic.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
"Munsun,

You try to buy off how many of illogical_al's, Frankie and Godchild's errors, cowardice, and hypocrisy, with some catch phrase?"
---
Not at all.
That my friend is not a "catch phrase" as you so elequently put it.
It is an observed truth.

Deflective association.A point of rejecting a truth that is personal to an individual but is not pleasant for them to acknowledge.
Thus,when it is associated with the individual they deflect it towards another person to avoid personally accounting for it in their own lives.

I thought you and Watchman where supposed to "annalize" me.
Remember?

I love it when folks play in my ballpark without bringing any equipment.(bat,ball,glove)

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[smyrna]

Dave,

You are un-analyizable!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

I see what you mean by deflective association.("Deflective association.A point of rejecting a truth that is personal to an individual but is not pleasant for them to acknowledge.") I stand guilty of that many times over. But someone has to point out the hypocrisy and proven false accusations.

Now you also said, "Thus,when it is associated with the individual they deflect it towards another person to avoid personally accounting for it in their own lives."

Now I will have to deny doing that intentionally, if at all. But guys and gals like Frankie and Godchild, are masters at it.

You Dave, are alright with me, even though we don't agree on everything. If I was to dislike everyone who disagreed with me on a few or even many things, I wouldn't have any friends.

But you know as well as I we have had some rough times together in the past. But the present shows it does not always have to be that way.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
LOL Smyrna,
Un-analizable.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif
You got me laughing with that one.
I could fill in some of the blanks but it might take the rest of my life.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

Mia Culpa with the deflective association also.

Hey,
I'm to dumb to dislike anyone.
(I try,really I do.)http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

Well maybe not to dumb to dislike someone but I just can't hold a grudge like I used to.
(I never really have been a grudge holder)

I don't have any problems with people disagreeing with me at all personally.It's what makes life so interesting.
Besides that I don't have all the answers and I know that I can learn from a newborn (born from above) Christian as well as an oldie but goody.

Hey,
the Lord is coming soon.
Shout it from the rooftops!

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[smyrna]

I'm bumping up this thread as it is important in showing just what a joke CB's SC thread is, and how they routinely engage in rumor mongering.

Please note the comments re 'Shadowcat' aka Stage Director, and the absolutely false claims that this arrogant person weaves. She expects us to just fall for this nonsense. It is very telling that her fellow SC detractors fall all over themselves, instantly believing this garbage.

And they say WE are brainwashed!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[stage_director]

QUOTE
I'm bumping up this thread
END QUOTE

I think you're the one who was bumped ... and on the head.

I'm not Shadowcat, little man. Personally, I figure you must want to hear more details about Murray's supposed grove/barn worship, so you won't accept that I can't satisfy your curiosity on that subject ...

[pete_repeat]

Smyrna

'And they say WE are brainwashed"

As long as you believe and recognise as fact that there is a "them" and "us" or a "they" and a 'we" then you will always be unaware that you are brainwashed.

[pete_repeat]

"Please note the comments re 'Shadowcat' aka Stage Director, and the absolutely false claims that this arrogant person weaves. She expects us to just fall for this nonsense. It is very telling that her fellow SC detractors fall all over themselves, instantly believing this garbage.

And they say WE are brainwashed!"

Why not prove your not brainwashed and show us the facts and proof to back your brainwashed claims

I repeat Pete Repeat

[oneway]

Before i get started, I would like to clear a small matter up. On another thread I claimed to have apologized to some in here and I even said I was sincere. Guess what? I only thought I was sincere and now I do not apologize to any scer in here. Why? Because I owe none of you an apology. I never did. I would like to publically retract those apologies. You scers are the most rude, arrogant, teachers of heresy that I have ever encountered. I'm pretty well convinced that you scers are of the serpent seed that you so proudly promote. Don't worry, I don't think any of you are kenites or anything. And another thing I've pretty well concluded, your teachings are racist and so are you scers whether you think you are or not, since you adhere to the racist teachings. Why my change of mind? You can thank stage_director for that. She has presented time and time again, compelling evidence that proves the point.
I may play the naive, fool, but I'm far from being either. You scers have only done to me what I've allowed you to do. I have never been fooled by any of you.
Enuff said. So let's get back to the battle at hand. You know..the one between the serpent's seed
and the woman's seed.

[rachelengland]

Yes please stop apologizing...it's fruitless..and not necessary.


By the way who do you think was "better" in Eve's book..Satan or Adam? I find it interesting the Bible doesn't discuss this?

[smyrna]

Oneway wrote:
"On another thread I claimed to have apologized to some in here and I even said I was sincere. Guess what? I only thought I was sincere and now I do not apologize to any scer in here."

Smyrna: Sounds like Oneway should rename himself "WhichWay" since he doesn't know whether he is coming or going!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

S_D wrote: "Personally, I figure you must want to hear more details about Murray's supposed grove/barn worship, so you won't accept that I can't satisfy your curiosity on that subject "...

Smyrna:

If you had bothered to read this thread, you would know that I have all the answers about that grove worshipping crap which you invented:

smyrna
Senior Member
Username: smyrna

Post Number: 2008
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 66.157.43.229
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 1:08 am:

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Well, I found out tonight that CB's Shadowcat has been posting as an infiltrator at theseason/ Figtree. She was soundly thrashed there.

And most importantly, I was able to find out how she concocted the allegation of "grove worshipping"

Here is the thread where she got the idea from:

Gold Community THESEASON.ORG
> Private: Peacemakers
> GROVE WORSHIP New Topic Add Reply

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RobdnWht
Senior Master Tiller
Posts: 214
(9/1/06 1:48 am)
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"GROVE WORSHIP as we all know of the abomination of grove worship in the past it still exist today i am posting a couple of sites for any interested in learning that some of our world leaders like to do in there spare time."


Smyrna; So you see,not only was Stage Director lying when she said she got the info about the grove worshipping allegation from us, it actually came about because some CB infiltrator of the Figtree brought it over to Cultbusters, and claimed Murray was doing it. How stupid, but typical.

Anyway, since Stage Director is a participant on that SC forum at CB, she surely knew about the true origin of the false allegation, yet she claims she only heard about it here.

And now she expects us to believe she isn't Shadowcat, even though she has been caught, once again,lying. You know, like we are supposed to just believe her, after all the garbage she has spewed forth on this forum.

[lutheratx]

Oneway: I'm pretty well convinced that you scers are of the serpent seed that you so proudly promote. Don't worry, I don't think any of you are kenites or anything.

Me:
You calling us the Serpent seed is absurd if you ask me, because Paul taught us how to recognise them.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

OK now does Shepherd's Chapel deny the Lord Jesus Christ? What religion does that claims to be Judah?

Not that all Jews are the serpent seed, Christ was of Judah. However what does Judaism, believed by some of brother Judah, teach about Christ? Well I would rather not tell you, but lets say B*stard is one word I've seen. So you embrace them all you want, but I will stick to those that teach about a religion that is apposed to Christ and leads the world to a false peace under a false messiah.

I do believe that these that deny Christ have led Christian congregations in traditions in the past, however these congregations are not the serpent seed, just those that twisted the word for there own benefit. It would be more likely that PM would be a serpent seed than one of his students if this were the case. However I'm not the Serpent Seed I deffinately have said over and over you are condemned without Christ. I do believe this, does PM, I believe yes. Do you, I believe yes. However if you believe a rapture whether it is pre, during, or post, I believe you believe the serpent's doctrine. I'm not going to hide my beliefs.

However concerning the Jew I would have you remember Romans 11. I think that God does have a plan to restore brother Judah.

11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

God himself put many of them in unbelief. A Jew hater would not say that God is going to restore them. At least this wouldn't be something I would exspect to hear at a Neo Nazi forum.

[oneway]

"Yes please stop apologizing...it's fruitless..and not necessary."

Hi rachel. I can't say that I agree with you. For instance, if I ever offended you, my apology to you would be necessary and fruitful.


"By the way who do you think was "better" in Eve's book..Satan or Adam? I find it interesting the Bible doesn't discuss
this?"


What's up with the trick question?, lol! Only an scer would fall for that question.

[stage_director]

Oneway, it doesn't matter who the Shep Chap'lers are, or what their theology is ... when we get carried away in our responses to them, they're just as entitled as anyone else to an apology or modification of the way we react (which to me is the most sincere form of apology). Our standard of conduct shouldn't depend on anyone else ...

Mat 5:44-48
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Now ... I don't claim I've mastered this concept as yet, but it is what's right. :-)

[rachelengland]

On factnet I do not feel apologies hold much weight Oneway..that is just my opinion-I TRY to use common sense in the way I treat others....I have seen you become the target of insults many times..all I can say is ..don't stoop to that level, I don't need scripture to tell me how to behave-common sense tells me so!


Now when one is calling names and threatening another- then really they should just remove themselves all together from this board. Because they've been downgraded to a level of foolishness...and most people will disregard what they have to say...

I was just being cute about the adam and satan thing... Though,I was just thinking today what a great opera or broadway show the serpent seed theology would make...hmmmmmm who could play Eve(rachelengland) Adam(maybe franklin) and satan bruhahahaha- I will keep that to myself(LOL)

Take care, R

[lutheratx]

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

[rachelengland]

Yes Luther-forgiveness is freedom for the soul.R

[oneway]

stage_director, your words and the words of Christ
truly humbled me. The following are not excuses nor do they justify anything.
It's not what some of these scers say about me that is the problem. It's how some of them treat others and the things they say.
For example, I've heard watchman discuss Hitler and the slaughtering of the innocent Jews.
He gives the impression that a good percentage of them were more than likely kenites, just like Hitler reasoned. So, what's going thru my mind? I'm thinking, why am I apologizing to any of these scers? These scers are cruel and hateful towards certain others. I don't see how I could owe them an apology for that. Of course if I called them any vile and deplorable names, then yes, I would owe them a heartfilled apology. And now I've found myself calling them of the serpent's seed and racists. I honestly don't know what to do with that. Some of the things they teach are not from the written Word of God. Between you, godchild and franklin and the evidence you all presented, and going by some of their beliefs, how is one not to conclude that the sc is also racist?
Isn't their theology what got them in this mess in the first place?
I know it's all about the heart but can one truly believe that Cain was satan's son and still be a Holy Spirit filled Christian?

[jeff_franklin]

Calling a Klan member a racist is not name calling.

Calling a Neo Nazi a racist is not name calling.

Calling an SCer a racist is not name calling.

They all believe the same racist twisted theology.

They are all racists. A spade is a spade.

Arnold Murray is a racist. An SCer is a racist.

[stage_director]

Yeah, I can identify with all you're saying, Oneway ... Lord knows, this environment makes it almost impossible to not be provoked sooner or later. Anyway, I think Rachel pretty much summed it up about not stooping to anyone else's level. I'm hoping to accomplish that someday ... ;-)

I don't think discerning that someone's a racist when they are is the same as name calling. Fool, moron, the alteration of id names ... that certainly is.

[smyrna]

Calling Jeff_Franklin and idiot is not name calling.

Calling Stage Director a liar is not name calling.

Calling Godchild a hypocrite is not name calling.

Calling detractors our pets is not name calling.

They are all idiots, and that is like calling an idiot an idiot.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[yaakov2]

lutheratx

<font color="0000ff">However what does Judaism, believed by some of brother Judah, teach about Christ? Well I would rather not tell you, but lets say B*stard is one word I've seen.</font>

Well, your deity wasn’t technically a B*stard. The correct term is “Mamzer” since his alleged father wasn’t his mom’s husband. Mamzer is defined as <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

The Jewish law concerning children who are the products of forbidden sexual relationships such as incest or adultery. It considers the child spiritually wounded by the actions of his parents.

For a full discussion of the mamzer, go to http://www.aish.com/torahportion/mayanot/Jewish_Rights.asp<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

So, if your guy actually ever existed, then he would qualify as a mamzer. To some, he was a rebellious person, to others he was just an ordinary guy with a good publicist. But to me and many others, your deity is a fictional character with no more actual existence than Captain Jack Sparrow.

[smyrna]

MORE LIES and DECEPTIONS at CB'S SC Right Or Wrong thread:

Just follow the posts, the times and dates, folks!
ShadowCat
Sr. Buster
Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2007, 12:27:10 PM »

Oh and one more thing Viv - those lectures I had on my computer the person that sent them to me told me that they got them from a person that use to work for the Chapel. This ex employee quit because she claimed she caught Pastor Murray in the barn errrmmm well 'grove worshipping'. Some sort of sex/Baal worship I guess. I was told that there was a big stink about this a few years back on a message board called the figtree. I don't know how much truth there is to this, but I really don't see why this woman would lie. She had been working for the Chapel for awhile I guess. I have never met her or spoken to her so I don't know.
-----------------------------------

NOW, check Rachel's and Shadowcat's er, Stage Director's posts:

RLS
Hero Buster

Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #750 on: July 09, 2007, 02:45:25 AM »

What the heck is this grove worshipping?? Is it <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>? Have I finally figured it out? Who started that terrible rumour? I do not believe it!People may have problems with a doctrine but that was a gross thing to say! R
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Stage Director
Full Member

Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #755 on: July 09, 2007, 05:30:43 AM »

What the heck is this grove worshipping?? Is it <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>?

That's what I want to know. I first heard about it on Factnet, and they just insist it came from me.

Smyrna: As I noted earlier, the actual origin of the grove worshipping rumor was form some sleazeball detractor names Shadowcat at CB, who got it from the post you may see above at the Figtree. However, the sleazebag detractor attributed it to Murray, and now thse Cbers act like they never heard of it, and that they only read it here at FactNet!

Now I said that the rumor originated at Cultbusters,(see my post 2882 above, also 1789 at the top for reference) and now I've proved it!

Also, I don't have much more time right now, but SCers, please find the "RamblingRose posts" that of course Stage Director has seen, that discuss the sex with animals allgations in Arkansas by Murray a few weeks ago.

They may hold more clues that will show Stage Director is fully aware of what the definition of "grove worshipping" is, and I also think there is another post at CB that more closely defines the term as sex with animals.

LIARS!

[oneway]

I'm not sure what you think you proved. I don't see where you proved anything. What you basically proved is..that you didn't prove anything. You scers are pros at that. You've had a lot of practice, lol.

[stage_director]

lol You need to work on your deductive reasoning skills, sport. The "grove worship" idea may very well have originated on Cultbusters ... However, I first heard about it on Factnet, and I'm pretty sure it was from one of YOUR posts.

Like I said before, you keep bringing it up so much I can only deduce you didn't get enough of the supposed titilating details ... I still can't help you.

[skooter942000]

no reason for pete(repeat) to repeat anything.
- (Not here)



"ALMIGHTY GOD", does not miss a thing.
(...It's in "THE-BOOK")



Why the different handle Franklin?
...Yet again?


Are you re:joining?
- after being thrown out? (A simple question)


(be honest)/...or can you?




...Or did u forget your password(s)?
(so you made more ID'S)?



One word (ginkoba)/ Gingko biloba.



- Darn, i guess that's TWO-WORDS,
- (yes, i can count).


Another surprise right here at fact_net.
...Who knew? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif




1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth
that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist,
that denieth the Father and the Son.

[skooter942000]

More RACE BAITING:

from the ROBOTIC, Self replicating MACHINE,
also know as FRANKLIN - (The LIAR).


- you will never assimilate us.





- JEFF


Still no PROOF of your words to me.

You Foul mouthed SOUL.
- Where have i said, what you say i said.

That i called BLACKS and ASIANS ,
- (BEASTS of the FIELD)?


...Or that i call JEWS (Spawns of satan).



- (I don't) / Never have






- i can't wait until "THE LORD'S DAY".

- (to see you). <font color="0000ff"><font size="-2">(face to face)</font></font>



<font color="ff0000"><font size="-2">...If you make it that far.</font></font>

[rachelengland]

"LIARS"! Mr Smyrna

You better NOT be calling me a liar..I had no idea what the heck grove worshipping was..I live in the city- we don't worship groves..it is something I had to go to in a deep dark place in my mind to figure out and it is a sick and stupid allegation - PERIOD.

Shadowcat was a nutcase...

[smyrna]

stage_director:

"lol You need to work on your deductive reasoning skills, sport. The "grove worship" idea may very well have originated on Cultbusters ... However,
I first heard about it on Factnet, and I'm pretty sure it was from one of YOUR posts.
...I can only deduce you didn't get enough of the supposed titilating details ... I still can't help you."

Smyrna: You better sharpen up your flimsy research skills. So you expect us to believe that someone such as yourself,that has such a voracious zeal for tracking down and exposing perceived evils by the SC and Pastor Murray, didn't bother to read ALL of the posts on CB's SC thread? After all, it was only a few pages long when you, as Stage Director, started posting there.

The original accusation, which as I proved was merely a sick adaptation of the comment re grove worshipping at the Figtree,is found on the first page of that thread.

Furthermore, yes, you are correct that I mentioned it much earlier on a post that also gave the source as Cutlbusters, so if you read that post, you certainly knew it originated at Cultbusters. So now you still claim it "may" have originted there.

You seem to be trying pretty hard to distance yourself from that silly accusation, and had I more time right now, (but I'll get to it) as Shadowcat, you also pretended to not know much about the Figtree.
But 'Shadowcat' slipped up and it turned out, if you follow the CB thread, that Shadowcat not only knew all about Figtree, but her boytoy "believil" came over to CB from Figtree, to join in the filthy rumor mongering that is the cornerstone of that malicious, deceitful den of iniquity known as CB's SC thread.

RACHEL,

When I grouped you under liars, the fact is, though you may not have known just what "grove worshipping" was, you certainly were aware that the original accusation is on page 1 of CB's SC Right or Wrong thread, because your posts are all over that that very page, which means you certainly read the accusatory post.

It's possible you may have forgotten, but I can't believe you never saw the original post.
And if you truly forgot, then I didn't mean to call you a liar.

I appreciate that you recognize not only is it a very difficult charge to believe, but that whoever thought it up and posted it at CB (Stage Director)that person is a sick creep and the fact that the so-called moderator at CB allows that stuff on there shows how whacked out (Frankie) he is.

[stage_director]

Spare me ... I don't have the time or inclination to read all the posts here, Fig Tree or Cultbusters. Uh, I actually have a life off the web, sport.

[smyrna]

That's gotta be the weakest excuse I've heard from you yet. You are a LIAR. I can read that entire thread in its present form in less than an hour.

Maybe you can feed that BS to someone else, I'm not buying it.

"I don't have the time or inclination to read all the posts here, Fig Tree or Cultbusters."

Yeah, right. But you have plenty of time to: check FAA records to see how many airplanes the SC has.(even though you got the number wrong, on purpose, I'm sure. Two, not Five, as you claimed)You have plenty of time to check Arkanasas newspapers for articles about the SC. You have plenty of time to communicate with others of your ilk re the Chapel.

Oh yes, you also had plenty of time to go over hours and hours of tapes, and posts at the Figtree, Cultbusters, the anti-chapel websites, have your own site that is critical of the SC, a forum, and who knows what else.

Yet you actually want us to believe that you didn't have time to indulge in your obsession re the SC by reading a few posts at Cultbusters, especially when it is highly probable that YOU posted the material in question as Shadowcat.

Of course, it doesn't surprise me to see you bring that weak stuff in here. You don't have any credibility anyway.

Because if you did, you wouldn't try to buy us off with that silly excuse, because I told you that my original post regarding this subject, which you admit you read, tells you the source for the grove worshipping rumor.

You are a liar.

[smyrna]

SCers,

There is a new thread at CB by a "new" perosnality who calls herself SC REvealed.

The only posts as of yesterday is an alleged transcipt of what the poster calls Communion of Sixes.

Now, I read that online a very long time ago. I don't have the time as I'm at work, to try and find anywhere else on the web where it has been posted.

Because my memory is telling me it was at the defunct Scripture_truth site, which we know can be accessed at webarchives.org

If this turns out to be the case,it will serrve to show that Stage Dirctor is none other than Margie Plummer, who was the publisher of that silly, stupid site which myself and Watchman were instrumental in bringing down.

By the way, I've never heard of this Communion of Sixes tape from anyone that is a Chapel student, so I suspect it is an invention, but even if not, if Murray really experienced what he described on that transcript, I have no problem with it, since I have heard of many mystical experiences in Christian history, and I don't doubt automatically what people describe when they have has such experiences.

Especially, since I've had similar experiences myself which I find hard to explain.

Consider all the experiences of the saints in Catholic lore, and you will see a very diverse collection of unique spiritual experiences, which those who merely read them may consider as fanciful or absurd.

But when compared to what is recorded in the Bible, anyone can describe those experinces of the Prophets and others in the same wya, so they better be very cautious when attacking others' experiences.

I hope this person continues doing this, because I'll rip her to shreds, as I am doing with the parody on the Saul/Paul thread here.

So keep it up Stage Director, as you will ensure
I will have a surplus of material to use against you. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[skooter942000]

Communion of Sixes?



- Never heard of it.
- It's not on any list that i can find.
- and i have a VHS tape list that covers everything. (i think)


- i have heard of "deception of sevens"...
- Tape #709 (True Fact)



Their EVIL DECEPTION and LIES, are getting OLD.
-satan is the accuser.


&amp; He has many servants.







Don <*))><

[stage_director]

Oh, please ... I have the Communion and Sixes audio, and I got it on a Shepherd's Chapel student forum. (I belong to most of them) lol I'm still not Margie, dude. But I am surprised you folks haven't figured out who I am ... You're slipping. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[smyrna]

Personally, I really don't care who you are. Because what is important, is WHAT you are:

A liar, rumor monger, bearer of false witness, nosey, arrogant, intolerant, and disrepectful of other's beliefs, among other things.

Since you wish to ignore my already posted opinion of the Communion of Sixes lecture, I'll shove it in your face again:

I never doubt claims by Christians of any persuasion of having mystical or spiritual experiences.

From apparitions of Fatima,my own experiences, as well as that described by Pastor Murray, to me all are on the same level of experience.

From what I have seen so far from you Stage Director, as far as spiritual experience goes, is demonic, because it is very clear that you have no problem acting in a way that can only be described as evil.

Your are a liar. You bear false wtiness. You deliberately engage in deceptions design to harm others, and you do all this claiming to be doing good. And you refuse to condemn absolutely abhorrent behavior by your peers, i.e. Godchild and franklin.

If you truly believe that lying about others and trying to harm others through deception is good, than you have a real problem. If you don't believe it, and you actually are convinced what you are doing is good,then you are in the snares of wickedness.

So either way you will NEVER convince those who are aware of your activities that you are being moved by the Holy Spirit.

At the very least, the FACT that you posted all kinds of allegations that you have NEVER proved, gives you such a lack of credibility, only a fool would take you seriously.

So thanks for the entertainment, but that is all it is, other than of course being just another indication that the extremist detractors are forced to engage in deception, because they are so weak otherwise, in their attacks against the SC.

[smyrna]

Godchild is still at it, lying onece again but at Cultbusters this time. She is probably operating under a different name here, mayne pete_repeat, even though he/she sounds a bit more intelligent. Anyway, here is the latest:

CULTBUSTERS
godchild
Posts: 1300

Champion of LIES
Re: Preaching by Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel
« Reply #3 on: Today at 04:08:26 AM » Quote

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arnold murray is a bona fide koo-koo bird!(Smyrna: LOL! Look who's talking!) After reading the posts(Smyrma, yeah, the ones full of lies, false accusations, etc.)

here, that is so clear. The guy is seeing men in the air and ufos in Arkansas. All his fantasies didn't come to pass, but he continues on, and his students now think it is he who is in the Mt.St. Helens photo.

(Smyrna; The biggest LIE here. So Godchild, put up or shut up. Prove anyone, Murray or the students, claim that it was Murray who is seen in the photo of the smoke of the St. Helens eruption. Prove it, LIAR!)

Have you all seen that photo. It looks like nothing more than what you might see as the profile of a person,

(Smyrna: Ah, so she admits it DOES look like a person! hmm....) somewhat like you might see a cloud shaped like an elephant;

(Smyrna: yeah, and if you are Godchild, hiccup!, a pink one too! lol!) which I see a lot but never think its anymore than the shape a cloud takes.

The bible tells us we cannot see God and live.

(Smyrna: oh yeah, read about Jacob wrestling with the "angel"(Gen. 32:30) and then look at your concordance and tell me what Penuel means!) We are warned that satan

(Smyrna: Satan? Coem on, we already know you don't believe he exists!) has the ability to fill our minds and eyes with pictures (be it men or ufo's) and they ARE NOT from God.

Smyrna: And she calls Murray a nutcase! Yeah, ok, have some more Kool-aid, Whackchild! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

Godchild is still at it, lying onece again but at Cultbusters this time. She is probably operating under a different name here, mayne pete_repeat, even though he/she sounds a bit more intelligent. Anyway, here is the latest:

CULTBUSTERS
godchild
Posts: 1300

Champion of LIES
Re: Preaching by Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel
« Reply #3 on: Today at 04:08:26 AM » Quote

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arnold murray is a bona fide koo-koo bird!(Smyrna: LOL! Look who's talking!) After reading the posts(Smyrma, yeah, the ones full of lies, false accusations, etc.)

here, that is so clear. The guy is seeing men in the air and ufos in Arkansas. All his fantasies didn't come to pass, but he continues on, and his students now think it is he who is in the Mt.St. Helens photo.

(Smyrna; The biggest LIE here. So Godchild, put up or shut up. Prove anyone, Murray or the students, claim that it was Murray who is seen in the photo of the smoke of the St. Helens eruption. Prove it, LIAR!)

Have you all seen that photo. It looks like nothing more than what you might see as the profile of a person,

(Smyrna: Ah, so she admits it DOES look like a person! hmm....) somewhat like you might see a cloud shaped like an elephant;

(Smyrna: yeah, and if you are Godchild, hiccup!, a pink one too! lol!) which I see a lot but never think its anymore than the shape a cloud takes.

The bible tells us we cannot see God and live.

(Smyrna: oh yeah, read about Jacob wrestling with the "angel"(Gen. 32:30) and then look at your concordance and tell me what Penuel means!) We are warned that satan

(Smyrna: Satan? Come on, we already know you don't believe he exists!) has the ability to fill our minds and eyes with pictures (be it men or ufo's) and they ARE NOT from God.

Smyrna: And she calls Murray a nutcase! Yeah, ok, have some more Kool-aid, Whackchild! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[oneway]

CULTBUSTERS
godchild
"Posts: 1300

Champion of LIES
Re: Preaching by Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel
« Reply #3 on: Today at 04:08:26 AM » Quote"


I went over to cb and I don't see this thread you're talking about. Surely you're not copying and pasting private threads from another forum to a public forum such as factnet? If that is the case, and if I were the admin of CB, I wouldn't be too happy with that. I would be contacting some ISPs.
But I'm probably mistaken, because surely you're not doing what I'm thinking up above. I'll keep looking for that thread tho, because it has to be somewhere in public veiw, otherwise why would it be pasted here?

[stage_director]

I can see it, Oneway.

http://www.cultbusters.com.au/index.php?topic=441.msg15392

[oneway]

stage_director, I clicked on your link and got this msg on that page:

"Warning!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or
off limits to you.
Please login below or register an account with CultBusters Discussion."


Kind of looks like access to that link is not public, but of course I could be wrong since I'm using an older ver of Netscape and it might just be a browser conflict. That's probably what it is, lol.

[stage_director]

Ahhhh, you probably have to register a user account.

[smyrna]

Is that all you got, Oneway? All you have is whining and crying about me copying ONE post (not the entire thread, you say you can read, so far I'm not convinced).

The real question, and the real complaint, should be why CB would have to "hide" the SC thread. It was once available to all.

Funny thing, but right after they "hid" (required you to regsiter to CB) the thread, the detractors relly went to town, hurling false allegations, by starting the SC right or wrong thread, where of course the now infamous "grove worshipping" accusation was floated.

Now we know that even some of the detractors, like Rachel, thought that charge was ludicrous and abohorrant.

Yet the admin has no problem leaving that filth up there.

And YOU are whining about me bringing a post here, that shows the stupidity and silliness of Godchild.

But you know what, you are right. I shouldn't wasted my time.

After all, we already know Godchild is stupid and ridiculous, and of course a liar.

And we also know that is what attracts you to her and CB.

But hey, have a good time. I certainly am! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

Is that all you got, Oneway? All you have is whining and crying about me copying ONE post (not the entire thread, you say you can read, so far I'm not convinced).

The real question, and the real complaint, should be why CB would have to "hide" the SC thread. It was once available to all.

Funny thing, but right after they "hid" (required you to regsiter to CB) the thread, the detractors relly went to town, hurling false allegations, by starting the SC right or wrong thread, where of course the now infamous "grove worshipping" accusation was floated.

Now we know that even some of the detractors, like Rachel, thought that charge was ludicrous and abohorrant.

Yet the admin has no problem leaving that filth up there.

And YOU are whining about me bringing a post here, that shows the stupidity and silliness of Godchild.

But you know what, you are right. I shouldn't have wasted my time.

After all, we already know Godchild is stupid and ridiculous, and of course a liar.

And we also know that is what attracts you to her and CB.

But hey, have a good time. I certainly am! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

Cultbuster's SC Right or Wrong thread is undergoing yet another resurrection, after being dead since July ninth.

This time, there is an individual by the handle "wontoofree" who sounds very similar to Frankie. Here's a song written by this clown, who also posted a picture of some red hooded guy and here are the lyrics:


Dashing through the snow
In a Shepherds Chapel Benz
Killing all the Jews
And there Kenite friends

Snap snap snap
Snap snap snap
Shoot the bar**ards down
Oh what fun it is to work
In the Nazi underground

Smyrna: Well, that's all they are doing over thre, but I'll keep it in mind the next time Godchild or some other detractor syas something about the funny stuff I have on my site about them. They call it stupid, immature, etc, yet it's quite alright for THEM to do the same thing!


This looks out of character for Stage Director, but here is her song, which she has time to write and post, even though she apparently doesn't have the time to face the music, so to speak, over here!

Singe in Hell, Singe in Hell
All you de-trac-tors ...
Oh what fun it is to tell
You that we think you're cursed!
(NOT)

It's supposed to be sung to Jingle Bells. I guess Stage Director should keep her day job.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[stage_director]

Hey, he forgot the second stanza ... But thank you. It is a catchy little tune. lol

[oneway]

"Is that all you got, Oneway? All you have is whining and crying about me copying ONE post (not the entire thread, you
say you can read, so far I'm not convinced).

The real question, and the real complaint, should be why CB would have to "hide" the SC thread. It was once available to
all."

smyrna, I have not read everything over at cb nor do I really know everyone over there. But I did recently notice that you were a member there at one time.
Keep in mind, I only read about 20 or 30 of your posts, and from what I read, you appeared to act very descent and sensible. I take it you were banned over there. From the posts that I read, that you posted, I don't see why you were banned.
That's as objective as I can be, mainly because I don't know the all of it.

[smyrna]

Stage Director at it again:

How many of you can see that this is Stage Director in her role as delta_belle59 at Cultbusters:

delta_belle59
Posts: 23

Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #792 on: Today at 03:30:06 PM »

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Arnold Murray has not done a documentary in over 10 years. He is a translator of the Bat Creek Stone and many other artifacts. They have a whole selection of documentaries. He even has one when he went to Hurricane Mills to see Loretta Lynn. Him and her have made the tabloids a few times. He has several real nice pictures of them together. He has done the Melungeons, Ash Falls, University of Arizona, where they had a world that was weapon, and I know he was at Burrows Cave. There are many other documentaries but I can't think of them all at the moment. E. Raymond Capt documentaries are also on sale there. Wikipedia has finally got a fairly accurate article on him posted.
Delta

Smyrna: Delta my a$$, this is Stage Director and it's really stupid of her to deny it. The usual persoanl attacks against Murray, and she talsk like Loretta Lynn is a Wiccan or something else evil. Unreal.

What's the point about Murray not making a documentary in ten years? This is something ONLY Stage Director believes is an issue,.

Good thing nobody reads Cultbusters seriously. How could they?

[smyrna]

Here's one that Stage Director actually placed her usual handle to:

Stage Director

Posts: 293

Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #761 on: July 25, 2007, 02:59:21 PM »

Arnold Murray predicts ... http://www.mediafire.com/?2mg1bdxiyyp

Honest opinions: Did he, or did he not, make a prediction that he claimed was from God?

Smyrna: I wonder why S_D first asks for HONEST opinions?http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Anyway, not matter what that link holds, (I won't even bother since S_D's modus is to write her own insane opinions into anything Murray says)how can anyone "predict" they are from God?

Also, aren't we ALL from God?

How can anyone "predict" they are "from" anywhere?

What an IDIOT!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

For review, see my post 3018 above.

Frankie has a new role at CB: "wontoofree"

The Clues: "wontoofree" calls Pastor Murray "Arnie" writes stupid songs, and is of course obsessed with the lie that Murray is a racist.

"wontoofree" posted a photo of a neo-nazi in a red hood and robe at CB. And here is what Frankie had to say about it:

franklin
Global Moderator
Hero Buster

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Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #782 on: August 03, 2007, 07:19:15 AM »

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"If we would just realize what these SCers are, like those avatars on the nazi/klan sites, wearing sheets and hoods they wouldn't trick us like they do."

Smyrna: Frankie tried too hard to distance himself from the posting of the neo-nazi photo
"wontoofree" posted just one page back from Frankie's post. See how he referred to other websites's avatars? This guy thinks we can't see through this stuff.

His own stupidity, as like Stage Director's, gives him away.

The Cultbusters crew is much more of a fantasy camp than can be seen on the surface! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[smyrna]

WATCHMAN,

In the past I've tried to smooth over the situation with Dave Munsun, who exhibited a "kinder, gentler" side of himself.

I apologize that I haven't listen to you while you claimed that it was all a sham. You were right, I was wrong, it IS a sham, here's the proof:

David Munson
Hero Buster

Gender:
Posts: 714

Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #786 on: Yesterday at 01:10:56 AM »

I joke when I suggest this but the next time one of them complains about being judged it might throw them off with this verse quoted to them since they believe they where angels in a former life,
:1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

I bet that would stir the pot.

But I am just joking about it not that it's actually funny that someone is that decieved.

I wish him a "nice trip" but to the cross not to hell.

Smyrna: I'm dissapointed Dave, I really am.

[watchman_2]

Smyrna,

What can I say? The clear absence of sincerity and truth by Munson means that the leaven has not been removed [1 Cor. 5:8]. If the leaven is still there, the whole lump is spoiled.

So, his phony makeover was nothing more than a tactic he is employing in effort to draw away and separate SCers or potential SCers. His original direct onslaught tactic was a failure -- and he knew it. So, he has been trying to effectuate his goal by different means.

And, he was being successful at it. Although, I also read where Abiyah told him he had a Christian duty to leave a few weeks ago. I believe she was also seeing through the deception.

[jeff_franklin]

PARANOIA CULT DESTROYAH! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
That's got to be the lamest attempt to tag me that I'ver seen the two of you display.

"I bet that would stir the pot.
But """I am just joking about it""" not that it's actually funny that someone is that decieved.

I wish him a "nice trip" but to the cross not to hell.
---
Make over huh?
You would make me laugh it if wasn't for the fact that you folks do think that you used to be "angels".

Smyrna,
You have just shown you are seriously biased towards any non-Scer.

You say "nothing" when your Satanic buddy prays that God would curse another believer which only reveals your true nature.Especially when you cry about how others should do this or not do that to other SCers.
But should someone do what Watchwoman does it's hunky dorrie now isn't it.

Thank you for revealing your hypocrital nature.
I knew you'd come through sooner or later.
---
As for the claim that I have done a "false make over" I can only respond with,"you need a brighter light than just two watts".

That rediculous narrative claiming my intent is so far of the mark that it might be evidence of mental retardation.(At the least it reveals a lack of reading comprehention and "honesty")
What does "I am just joking" mean to you anyway?
Don't care to address that with me do you?
Nice of you to avoid that part of what I said isn't it?
Must be that agenda you hold on to so tightely.

Your cohort in crime (or at least hatred) spews forth garbage at a rate that New York garbage workers would have a problem cleaning up.
Yet you say ""nothing"".
He then wishes others a "nice trip to hell" and still you say nothing.
Which reveals that you really have nothing to say.

Hypocrit.
You are decieved if you really believe that you where once angels.

And,,
I do wish you a nice trip,,,"""TO THE CROSS""". Unlike Watchman I don't revel in the loss of a soul.
That's Satans job.
Watchman does his bidding quite well.

Eccl.3

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[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
You know Smyrna,
people are going to read how you have intentionally misinterprited what I sated and think you have no ability to comprehend plain english.

By the way,
I have shown openly who I am all along.
I do not hide anything.
But we all know by now how "you" like to claim to have insight about others.(LAME)

I have studied phsycology.
I study personalities and behavioural patterns in people.
Their mode of communicating.
The changes that take place in attitudes when different subjects (people) are spoken to.

You would not like what I could reveal on this matter.
You and your buddy Watchman have some serious issues.Watchman being the most serious case.
His bitterness overflows on any one he gets the chance to dump on.
I wonder if that is all he is interested in.
Making himself feel better about himself by spewing his garbage at others.

Wouldn't be hard to prove since he does it in the majority of his posts.
And """you say nothing""" while crying fowl that others like me say nothing to those you don't like.

Get honest or deal with it.

</font>}

[watchman_2]

So much for the holier-than-thou christian makeover effort. His true colors are showing.

He has no respect for the Word of God -- loves those traditions of man instead.

He is an idol-worshipper!

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Watchman,
you might not want to call Jesus an idol.
It's a dumb thing to do.

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[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Watchman,
why is it that you don't think that faith is more important than empirical evidence?
Heb 11:1.
Hebrews 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Don't you know that it is "faith" that pleases God and not material evidence?

You have it all turned around in the way you approach the Word.
One must believe "first".

You have stated that you don't rely on faith (not the exact wording) but rely on emperical evidence before even trusting that the Word is true.
You posted that a while ago and no I'm not looking it up.

Without faith it is "impossible" to please God.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

And you want us to follow what you believe?
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[watchman_2]

I didn't -- but, I called you an idol-worshipper.

<font color="0000ff">Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
</font>
You put Satan's doctrine, 'rapture', ahead of God's doctrine, the Bible.

I have already provided the proof. No other group better exemplifies those christians that deliver up the true Christian for beatings and trial. That is why Christ will tell you, "I never knew you".

[jeff_franklin]

arnie says that Eve had sex with satan and that the Jews are the spawn of the devil.

That is why Christ will tell arnie, watchman, smearna and the rest of the racist SCers "you never knew me and I never knew you".

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Watchman,
you manifest the hatred of Satan above and against God's Words and commandments by your behavior and attitude of joy that someone might go to hell.
You don't operate by faith according to your own words and you want us to believe you know anything of the character and nature of God?

Have a nice trip ""to the cross"" and be crucified.
Col*3:5
¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth.
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

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[stage_director]

Watchman is Saul of Tarsus on a misguided mission ... and his cheerleaders hold his coat while he persecutes Christians. Truly, truly ... may God forgive you all because you know not what you do ... I sincerely hope.

[smyrna]

Hey Dave,

Sorry, I'm not impressed by psycho-babble specialists. It has NO place in Christianity.

Among other things, it's the psycho-babble specialists that foster a disbeielf in some very important subjects mentioned in the Bible. To them,for instance, there is no such thing as demonic possession.

They also assist many in inventing excuses for their own immoral behavior, from homsexuality, pedophilia, all the way to murder.

Now look Dave, I'm dissapointed because you either suffer from multiple personality disorder, or you show one face over here, and another over at CB.

You were, as far as I was concerned, a stand up guy, so I thought, until I saw your posts at CB.

I suppose you were also "joking" when you agreed with one of Franklin's insane rants:

Franklin
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Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #757 on: July 09, 2007, 05:42:59 AM »

"If you read the SC posts they have much sympathy with Hamas and Al Queda. So does Stephen Jones."

David Munson
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Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #758 on: July 09, 2007, 11:55:32 PM »

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"How can anyone in their right mind sympathise with Hamas and Al Queda?

Oh yeah, they would have to be out of their minds.
Oh well never mind."

Smyrna: that's disgusting, Dave, it really is.

If you really think we "sympathize with Hamas and Al Queda" I really don't know what else to say.

Do you really want to be viewed as one on the same level as Franklin? (you need not answer that)

As for Watchman, I'd be happy to address your concerns, but not at the cost of distracting from the issue at hand.

What say you, Dave?

[jeff_franklin]

Hamas, Al Queada, the Nazis, the KKK, Aryan Nation, the moonies all believe that Jews are the spawn, SC literally, of satan, enemies of God.

SCers very much have sympathy with Hamas and Al Queda.

[watchman_2]

stage_director,

You wrote:
*****
Watchman is Saul of Tarsus on a misguided mission ... and his cheerleaders hold his coat while he persecutes Christians. Truly, truly ... may God forgive you all because you know not what you do ... I sincerely hope.
*****

LOL That is the prayer you need for yourself!!

You have wasted many years on a jihad against PM/SC/SCers. When the dust settles, you have no evidence, have misrepresented PM's 'inner circle' teachings, have formulated your corrupt Bible interpretations by filtering it through your church theology and not the Word of God, and have little propensity to adhere to sincerity and truth.

It is abundantly clear that your jihad has been based upon your distaste for the SC teachings [the Bible] -- nothing more or less. As everyone can witness here, you are ill-equipped to battle SCers on the scriptures. You are out-classed badly.

So, if anyone exemplifies Saul of Tarsus, it is you. You are the one running around the internet persecuting SCers.

You don't see me invading Baptist websites telling them all their preachers are frauds because they live in homes financed by the church, receive salaries, drive nice cars, grove worship, etc. Of course, if I did, at least I could prove their theology false from the Word of God.

It is simply a case of whom represents the truth of the Word of God. I do and you don't.

[oneway]

"You don't see me invading Baptist websites telling them all their preachers are frauds because they live in homes financed
by the church, receive salaries, drive nice cars,"

The first thing that comes to my mind is, Factnet is not an SC website, so no one is here invading an SC website. Since you sorely despise Baptist theology, I'm sure you can find sev folders here on Factnet that hold to Baptist theology. Maybe you can straighten angie out also, since she's a Baptist. Personally I couldn't care less, I don't hold to anyone's theology, but I am wise enough to understand that just because the Baptists, JWs, Scers, Mormons etc are wrong about many many things, this doesn't mean they're wrong about everything. No one could be that good at misinterpretation that they could be wrong about every single thing in the bible. You scers are probably the best out of all the denoms and orgs at misinterpretation, but even you all are not that good, that you misinterpret every scripture.lol

[watchman_2]

oneway,

These are the SC threads here at Factnet. She is here to tell us we are wrong. First, she attempted a bunch of fraudulent claims. Then, she tried old material, which she twisted and misrepresented. Finally, she has attempted scriptures and has failed miserably.

That's three strikes -- she is out!

[smyrna]

Hey Stage Director,

I wish you could see me. I have on my cheerleading outfit, complete with bullhorn and a large W (for Watchman)on my chest.

"Watchman, Watchman way to go!"

"In the lake of fire they will go!"

"Hoo-raaaaaaaaayyyyyyy-WATCHMAN!!!!!!!!"

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[david_munson]

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Smyrna,
read what I stated correctly please.
"How can anyone"

"Anyone" I said.
Are you now saying that you agree with Al Queda?

I asked how can ""anyone"" sympathise with Al Queda? Anyone,get it?

I wasn't remaining specific to SC.
I was questioning how "anyone" could sympathise.

Don't be so paranoid.
It's not all about "you".

You also have a tendency to read into things that which does not apply and twist what I say to mean something other than what it is.

Like the joking I did about the angels thing.
I stated right off that I was only joking but you tried your best to tag me otherwise.

Now that is disengenous at best.
At worst ,well let us leave that at rest.
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[oneway]

"I wish you could see me. I have on my cheerleading outfit, complete with bullhorn and a large W (for Watchman)on my
chest.

"Watchman, Watchman way to go!"

"In the lake of fire they will go!"

"Hoo-raaaaaaaaayyyyyyy-WATCHMAN!!!!!!!!"


s_d, that thing you stated about watchman and smyrna being twins...well I think this above quote speaks for itself, lol.

[stage_director]

Awwwww, but I thought you loved me, Smyrna? You mean you dumped me for Watchman?? Why, I'm crushed. Just reeeeally crushed.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[stage_director]

You two boys are truly in denial. The only fraud here is what you try to pass off as scriptural. You're so out of your element ...

[stage_director]

Oh criminy! I just got a mental image of Smyrna in his cheerleading get up, complete with short skirt and pom poms. Let's just say ... it weren't purdy.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[scisthebest]

lol umm no i try not think of that stuff lol..

[smyrna]

The following is no big deal, other than to show the usual confusion going on over at Cultbusters.

I have yet to respond to S_D's silly comment.

This "Rhonda Starr" like all the CB detractors, is clueless:

Rhonda Starr
Sr. Buster

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I will serve with all my heart


Re: Preaching by Arnold Murray of Shepherds Chapel
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2007, 11:13:14 AM »

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Stage Director kicks smyrna the AM worshipper's butt! Their racist logic can be seen clearer and clearer with each hopeless post. GOD is no respector of person's. AM is not a man of God but a tool of the Devil!

stage_director
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Username: stage_director

Post Number: 424
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 76.230.209.252
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 8:52 pm:

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It speaks of the elect from among the nations, sport. But it doesn't mean, as Murray claims, that the non-caucasian's king is different from the king of the caucasians ... nor does it mean there's a non-white "realm" in the hereafter that is separate. There is but one heavenly kingdom, and it's not "color coded" ... Race is a trait of the flesh, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven

Smyrna: Where does Murray claim anything like you describe? He clearly teaches that once we are out of the flesh, there is NO race, only spirit.

You yourself know that Murray knows the Bible teaches that the elect come from all the nations, so YOU are clueless and once again writing into Murray's teachings due to your stupid bias against him.

[stage_director]

Murray teaches, although not so publicly anymore, that Christ is the king of the white Adamics. The other races have their own lesser "kings" and a different heavenly realm from the Israelites, whom he teaches are white Adamics.

QUOTE
Smyrna: He clearly teaches that once we are out of the flesh, there is NO race, only spirit.
END QUOTE

Well, you're halfway right ... He does teach we'll be in the spirit. However, he also describes the flesh as the natural, and the spirit as the "super" natural and the "more than" natural. In other words, he teaches that the spirit has physicalities, too. He teaches that we'll all appear as the perfect age of "33" in heaven. Come on now, sport ... This is a man who teaches God flies around in a physical flying spaceship!

I've posted Murray's own teachings in their proper context. Matter of fact, some were so in context that people complained about the length! If you can't read what his own words say it's because you don't want to.

[stage_director]

Forgot to add, Murray teaches that we'll look exactly as we look here on this earth when in heaven, but in perfect, uncorruptable bodies ... at their "prime" age of 33.

[watchman_2]

I am sure that stage_director's claim is a mischaracterization again -- just like she did with the other 'inner circle' teachings of old.

PM teaches that the only way to recognize people in this second age outside of the flesh realm is by spiritual discernment -- not by flesh appearance.

[smyrna]

Yes, it is a mischaracterization, Watchman. He doesn't teach this, it's his opinion,which he has stated is his opinion, and I've heard that on the Q &amp; A sessions of the program.

Many times when he offers his opinion, he will say "Don't ask me to document this, it is only my opinion" and this subject is one of those.

Stage Director knows this, or at least should, since she claims to know so much, but how could she when she is so off the mark all the time?

By the way, does Stage Detractor have a problem with the teaching of having incorruptible bodies?

St. Paul certainly taught that we would put off our flesh and blood and take on another body:

I Corinthians

15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

15:54 So when this corruptible

Stage Detractor is clueless once again.

Throw away your Godchild playbook, S_D, it didn't work for her, it's not working for you either.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
By the way, does Stage Detractor have a problem with the teaching of having incorruptible bodies?
END QUOTE

Of course not. I said it won't have the racial characteristics Murray teaches. Race is of the flesh.

[smyrna]

Oh yeah, and I said Murray is well aware that in the spirit, there are no "racial characteristics".

You can't have it both ways. On one hand you claim that Murray teaches that everyone will look like they do in their 30's (no matter what race) and on another hand, you claim that he teaches they will.

Murray teaches the letters written by Paul, and Stage Dirctor knows this, but ould rather lie.

Clearly Paul said the elect would come from ALL peoples, and I've heard Murray teach it precisely that way, and to say something as vague and evasive as "Murray teaches, although not so publicly anymore, that Christ is the king of the white Adamics" is assinine.

Furthermore, Stage Director has been forced (by her own silly accusations) to refuse to answer these questions:

In Revelation 1:6, how do those made "Priests and Kings" rule? Who do they rule over?

This is repeated in Rev. 5:10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall
reign on the earth."

So, how is this reign of kingS accomplished?

I already asked this question on another thread, and STILL Stage Director appraently has no answer.

[stage_director]

Well, for starters ... with your present attitude you will never reign on this earth ... it is the meek and humble who inherit, and God's elect are neither railers or tyrants.

[smyrna]

You are an idiot. If you think that is an answer to the questions, then you are a bigger idiot then I thought.

This is NOT about me or my attitude.

Now, answer the questions or admit you don't know.

Address the damn post, and quit evading the issue.

If you won't that's really cool with me, because it is typical and shows you are CLUELESS at the very least, but most likely this is just another example of your bias, based upon ignorance, or just dishonesty.

[godchild]

This guy is so arrogant he thinks people come here to answer to him, and if they choose not to, he decides the reason for it. What idiotic behavior! I wonder how many of the 500 or so men he cooks for (or so he says) has he converted to am/sc? lololol Certainly, he is such a braggert, he would have bragged about it, (like he said the catholic monks are ready to believe him instead of the pope), but he hasn't. lololol

Pathetic little man!

[smyrna]

Well I see Stage Director is still evading the questions is posed her. So much for credibility.

As for Godchild, she is still flaunting her ignorance.

First of all, the Pope did not establish the doctrines of the Catholic Church, even though Bendict the XVI has probably had more to do with protecting those doctrines than his predecessors, due to his prior role withing the Church.

Godchild's opinion that I am a braggart would have to be proven, and until then, I will reserve comment.

[stage_director]

Smyrna, while I'm still undecided on exactly how it works ... the millennium is not in debate and I'm fully aware of the role of the Zadok. How does that prove different inheritances and kingdoms by race? When Paul was speaking to "we, the elect" he was speaking to Gentiles. Timothy was half Gentile (one of them mamzers, ya know), Luke was a Gentile ... Do we imagine their kings are not those of Israel?

[godchild]

quote: Oh yeah, and I said Murray is well aware that in the spirit, there are no "racial characteristics".

How contradictory can one get? am teaches that Adamic men are white, ruddy complected; which is a racial characteristic, not a spiritual one. Yet it is this physical characteristic that am teaches separates his elect kids from the other races by exactly that; (physical, not spiritual) stating that Noah was <u>not</u> "perfect" because of his righteousness (a spiritual characteristic), but because he was of a "perfect Adamic (white, ruddy) race". What nonsense these folks try to convey. They find it impossible to keep all this nonsense straight. Who is confused? Not us, as hard as these am/sc koo-koo birds try. Who presents an argument according to the physical appearance of men? Not we Christians, but am/sc and his kids. Christians know God looks at the hearts of all men, not their physical characteristics. "God don't make no junk!" Remember! He saw that His work was very good! Genesis 2 does not say Adam being formed (created) was very good. It says it of His creation of man in Genesis 1, the chapter am teaches non-Adamic (non-elect, non chosen) men came from. If am/sc wants to make an argument that there were two groups of men created by God in Gen. 1 and 2, he should have stuck with the first one, because he was the one God saw as "very good" not the second. lol (Can't scers see how crazy their pastor is?)
Why do scers use the verse about the man in Gen. 1 to insist am doesn't teach rascism, when it is not the man in Gen. 1 he says is "Adamic", but the man in Gen. 2, who they say is the ancestor of our Savior, Jesus Christ; while this Adam is not even mentioned as being good, very good, or even bad. Why borrow nice sayings about the first, when it is the second they think they are descended from? Don't they think this should be straightened out?

[smyrna]

Stage Director,

You either are deliberately distracting from answering the questions, or you are incapable of understanding the questions.

Here they are again:

Question #1, a compound question:

In Revelation 1:6, how do those made "Priests and Kings" rule? Who do they rule over?

This is repeated in Rev. 5:10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall
reign on the earth."

Question #2

So, how is this reign of kingS (plural) accomplished?

Unless, of course, you have chosen to answer all these questions with this sentence:

"Smyrna, while I'm still undecided on exactly how it works"...

If so, then what makes you think you are qualified to even comment? You sure sounded confidant, until you were asked those questions.

Godchild's post, as usual, is ridiculous. Perhaps she can try and help S_D answer those questions.

[oneway]

"If am/sc wants to make an argument that there were two groups of men created by God in Gen. 1 and 2, he
should have stuck with the first one, because he was the one God saw as "very good" not the second. lol (Can't scers
see how crazy their pastor is?)"

LOL. I've thought the very same thing. I mean look what they have coming thru the 2nd man, the 8th day man, satan's son himself! And they think the 8th day race is better than the 6th day race??
Am is good, real good at screwing some people up to the point of no return. These scers have absolutely no fear of God whatsoever.
Has anyone else noticed that no new converts to be
ever study with these scers in here any more? I wonder why? Aren't these scers the greatest scholars that ever came out of the prev earth age?
Didn't they bring with them wisdom, knowledge and secrets from the world that was? What more could one ask for? lol

[lutheratx]

Smyrna you are doing very well friend explaining something I do not know to much about, I am going to start studying the millennial temple very soon, you are nailing it though. Good Job

To people that want to respond to me look for me on the rapture thread. I may miss this one.

[stage_director]

Smyrna:

Rev 1:6
6 And hath MADE US KINGS and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

FYI here ... The oldest manuscripts read " a kingdom" not "made us kings" ... in other words, "he made us to be a kingdom and priests unto God" i.e. a royal priesthood. The emphasis on the word "priests" is that we have near access to God. Please note the second part of the verse. It is God who has glory and dominion.

Rev 1:6 He has made us his Kingdom and his priests who serve before God his Father. Give to him everlasting glory! He rules forever and ever! Amen! (NLT)

Rev 1:6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father–to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. (NIV)

Rev 1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. (ESV)

Rev 1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (RSV)

Rev 1:6 and He has made us {to be} a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him {be} the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (NASB)

Rev 1;6 and he made us [to be] a kingdom, [to be] priests unto his God and Father; to him [be] the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (ASV)

[smyrna]

Priests serve the people AND God. So who are these people?

Rev 5:10 states that we will REIGN on earth. Who will these priests reign over? Who will they be responsible for?

Hey ONEway, why do you make it a habit of agreeing with complete idiots?

"If am/sc wants to make an argument that there were two groups of men created by God in Gen. 1 and 2, he should have stuck with the first one, because he was the one God saw as "very good" not the second. lol (Can't scers
see how crazy their pastor is?)"

LOL. I've thought the very same thing.'

Godchild writes "IF am/sc wants to make an argument..." and you comment as if that is exactly what AM/SC teaches."

Because you have failed to realize that Godchild is clueless, you end up sounding as foolish as she does.

Maybe Godchild can provide for us an answer as to why it was so vitally important for the generations of Noah, Abhraham, etc. to protect their generations, that is, to not mix with other people in marriage.

This was obviously very important for them, and unless Godchild wants to call THEM racists, there must be another explanation.

Why, for example, did Lot's daughters sleep with their own father?

I strongly suspect that Godchild will give me the answer I'm looking for, which is not the corrct one, which I will prove, if she is bold (stupid)enough to even try to answer that question.

I just hopes she can come through for me, so I can laugh at her some more. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

Arrogant enough for you?

[smyrna]

Well, here is another example(out of many) of Stage Director deliberately avoiding a challenge to questions put to her.

I find it ironic that the detractors question nearly everything that SC teaches, yet when it comes to asking them anything, they run, hide, ignore, distract, and even claim they don't have to answer!

[stage_director]

Lot's daughters slept with their father because of the same fear Sarah had when she planned a child by Hagar. They didn't have enough faith and patience to wait on God's time. They should have prayed and trusted God to send them suitable mates, or not if it was his will. Instead, they took matters into their own hands.

Do you understand the story?

[oneway]

"FYI here ... The oldest manuscripts read " a kingdom" not "made us kings" ... in other words, "he made us to be a kingdom
and priests unto God" i.e. a royal priesthood. The emphasis on the word "priests" is that we have near access to God.
Please note the second part of the verse. It is God who has glory and dominion."


I have to agree. That's how I interpret it also.
Look what Lev 19:5-6 stated. I'm not saying that it is or isn't directly or indirectly tied into these verses in Rev tho.


Exodus 19:5 *Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 *And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

[oneway]

I made a typo up above, lol. I meant to say "Look what Exodus 19:5-6 stated".

[smyrna]

S_D wrote:

"Lot's daughters slept with their father because of the same fear Sarah had when she planned a child by Hagar. They didn't have enough faith and patience to wait on God's time. They should have prayed and trusted God to send them suitable mates, or not if it was his will. Instead, they took matters into their own hands.

Do you understand the story?"

Smyrna; I must admit I wasn't anticipating an answer like that, lol!

So Stage Detractor wants us to think that Lot's daughter's were merely seeking a "suitable mate" when they slept with their own father!

That's a good one!

And she asks ME if I understand the story! LOL!!!!!

Now S_D STILL needs to come up with answers as to who the Priests and Kings rule over.

Can't slither away from that, so if you keep trying to evade the questions, I'll just keep asking.

Or shall I just take
"Smyrna, while I'm still undecided on exactly how it works".... as an "I don't know"?

As for Godchild, she tries to claim that because SC teaches that the Adamics were white, that must mean he and anyone who accepts this is a racist. Yes it's foolish for her to make such an argument.

BUT,

It is known that the Mormons claimed that the indians of meso-america were descended for the Hebrew tribes.

So I guess we can conclude that Godchild is still steeped in Mormon beliefs, even though modern day Mormons reject their founder's own theories!

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bomindianorigins.htm

[stage_director]

Smyrna:

Re your post #3141

Ad hominem

1. appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect

2. marked by an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

[smyrna]

Sorry S_D, you are wrong. If you look at my post above, you'll see that I am NOT attacking your character, and I'm not appealing to "feelings or prejudices" but am asking you straight forward questions, which you refuse to answer.

And since you are choosing to spam the boards here with the same comment on two threads so far, it is clear that it is you who is attacking my character, rather than answering questions which have been put forth to you many times already.

And by attacking my character, you simply reveal your own.

Now please answer the question as to who reigns over whom, as addressed in Rev 5:10, how are they made priests, and stop your foolish stalling.

You may also want to take another shot at why Lot's daughters slept with their father.

Your first answer was not only ridiculous, but seemingly a unique product of your own imagination.

(Message edited by smyrna on August 18, 2007)

[rachelengland]

S_D I was watching the history channel a week or two ago-where it spoke of Lot's daughters. They also agreed the women were in fear and probably uncertain to fact that there were other men with whom they could pro-create with...interesting theory I suppose

[smyrna]

Thanks Rachel, that is precisely the answer I was hoping to get from either Godchild or Stage Detractor.

Because it is very clear, if you were familiar with the text of Genesis rather than a TV program, that Lot's daughter's certainly were aware there were other men in the world that would have made "suitable mates" for them.

They had already been through the city of Zoar (Gen. 19:21-22/30)a city which was not destroyed, where there certainly were plenty of "suitable mates."

One would think that since Lot's daughters knew there were men living in Zoar, they would gone back there before sleeping with their own father, who was afraid to stay in Zoar, but that would be no reason to be so hasty for his daughters to sleep with him.

Unless........

[godchild]

Christians don't care who is a human king or queen. Jesus is King of Kings; Lord of Lords. That's enough for us. He is our High Priest. Do you want to put yourself above Him? You probably do, but I'll bet the very thought scares even you, little man.

[smyrna]

I love it when the detractors bring up an issue, then when they are either proved in error, or have to face questions about the very issues they raise that they cannot answer, they then say they don't care about it! LOL!

Godchild's comments are even dumber: she says she doesn't care about "who is a human king or queen" but the subject has always been Revelation 1:6, as well as 5:10, and it is speaking of the millennium,(a time when all will be in the spirit)
and not "in the flesh" kings and priest, in an earthly kingdom! LOL!

And of course, she says nothing about the subject of Lot's daughters, (another issue a detractor, S_D brought up)which she apparently is also clueless about.

[stage_director]

Well, duh, Smyrna. Isn't Zoar filled with pagans and worshippers of other gods? It's a given they didn't think there were suitable mates for them, or at least in any close proximity. You've proven nothing ... although I'm still not sure you even had a point?

[smyrna]

Oh my! Are you actually saying that Lot's daughters were racists and intolerant of others?

Would that really keep members of such a noble and righteous family as Lot's from preventing the extinction of the human race?

They'd rather just get their own father drunk and sleep with him? (as if that was a lessor taboo!) lol!

Maybe you should back off this issue, and jest stick with trying to tell us who is doing the reigning in Revelation 5:10, and leave the tougher stuff to those who can actually handle it.

Hey, I was just joking, but maybe Watchman is right: you really ARE stupid!

LOL!

[stage_director]

Pssssst! (Watchman calls everybody stupid who can point out his doctrinal flaws. He's in big time denial. You know ... 1+1 = 11)

[smyrna]

Ahh, another big thank you is due from me to Stage Detractor, who once again is reduced to a mere heckler, who cannot answer any questions.

And you actually want people to believe that YOU
"point out his (Watchman's) doctrinal flaws"?

Oh, that's a good one! You are just as ridiculous as Godchild!

Of course, maybe just for more entertainment, you can actually provide proof of that.

But, let's not fall for that diversionary tactic. Let's hear, if you can, your explanation of why Lots' daughters did what they did, and of course, let's also hear you answer the question of WHO reigns and how they come to reign over WHOM, in Revelation 5:10.

Or, as I expect, can we just have a little more heckling, because that's my favorite response from you.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smyrna]

WATCHMAN,

You won't believe what those idiots at CB are talking about now, as in TODAY:

"I hope the scers who visit here and others will go read this man's testimony.

http://www.oraclesofgod.org/shepherd's_chapel.html"

Now that is Godchild's post there. Like she doesn't know you already addressed this?

Didn't you just last week go over this stuff with Stage Detractor?

Anyway, I thought I'd drop this in here, I was looking for something else when I saw this crap.

One more thing: You gotta love it they're trying that tactic again. Find some ex SC student and use that to try and discredit or "expose" the SC.

Well, if they think they'll get somewhere...

The Catholic Church is still around, even after more than five hundred years of Protestants whining about it!

Hey, maybe they just like whining! LOL!

[smyrna]

MR. MUNSUN, If you want to address me, please do o here, just a courtesy.

"Now we know that not even one who is a "graduate" of Shepherds Chapel can convince them of the error that is taught by AM.

Not even one who is without malice towards AM can be trusted by them.

The link that Godchild gave is a good one where an ex student and graduate of SC refutes the error in teaching.

It is obvious that this man has no gripe with SC other than to show where the erroneous teaching is laid out.

I guess they do not actually have an open mind.
Isn't that right Smyrna?


Smyrna: Yes, we do have open minds, that is why I can be a Catholic and also study the teachings of the SC for instance. That is why Angie can attend Baptist Church, etc. False premise Dave.

Just because the guy is "nice" means that we should all now accept what he says?

Satan was "nice" to Jesus during the Temptation too. Scripture records no malice or name calling on satan's part, just questions and statements Jesus responded to.

Furthermore, I can't believe that you too wish to act like the "Graduate" issue has not already been discussed here at Factnet, Watchman and Stage Distractor were direct participants in that discussion. Check around for it,(it has the oraclesofgod links posted) it didn't occur more than a week ago I believe.

Are you people so far gone you don't even know this has already been discussed?

Also, I can't accept that you will not concede that much of what that **dropout (which is what he is. He quit, without getting a diploma or any ackowledgement of "graduating from the SC, that's also silly to call himself that and for you to call him that) has to say is just the same old disagreements that Fundamentalism has with SC teachings.

So that's his call if he wants to go back to the talking snake and flying horses theology that fundamentalists adhere to.

Now when you all get through playing Merry-Go-Round, maybe you can actually try and face the ICGJC dilemma you all are facing.

[david_munson]

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Seems more like that is "your" dilemma not mine.

I have no leading in that direction at all and I have never even heard of them until I saw it being brought up in your "you have to do this because I say so post".

You also have to realise that I do not read every thread here that is connected with SC.
Some of the titles keep me away because of how rediculous they are.

As for the RCC they practice abomination with the saint worship and all the biblically contrary dogma they engage in.
Not a good example at all.

I was just wondering why you refrained from posting the complete comment I made instead of just a certain part like you have a tendency to do?

Is there something in it you don't want to have seen here?

No doubt.

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[smyrna]

First Dave I posted the pertinent parts, that which was necessary to make my point. Anyone can go to CB and read the entire post if they are so interested.

Secondly what I am saying is that if the Cutbusters do not go after the ICGJC with the same zeal they have gone after the SC, ebcause of the real and imagined similarities between the two, then it will not bode well for the so called Cultbusters.

Does it matter when you heard of that group? Did it matter when you first heard about the SC?

Excuses excuses. Hey the reputation of the CB site is what is at stake, and those who align themselves with it and call themselves Cultbusters.

Yeah, I know that's no big deal really because CB is no big deal.

But I'm telling you, anyone coming here and reading will go away thinking that the CBers here are hypocrites, cowards, and phonies

It shouldn't matter to you though. No one knows who you are anyway. No one cares what you believe, and no one really thinks you or anyone else here is any danger to anyone else.

Except of course, freako, paranoid maniacs, like the Cultbusters, because they take themselves way too seriously, when it suits them at least.

When they have to face reality, they shrink back into their own little cultbusters site, and mutter to each other.

Want proof?

Read the ICGJC thread, and start reading back through all the threads.

Oh, that thing about Catholics worshiping Saints?

Here goes:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Saint_Worship.asp

http://www.catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/maryc5.htm

I know that won't be enough, Dave. Detractors won't ever accept proof as proof.

I've heard it all before, Dave. All Catholics are liars and drunks,and all priests are homos and child molestors. The anti-christ will be a future Pope. There are child sacrifices to satan going on under the Vatican.

At least if the SC ever does close down, the CBers will still have someone to lay false accusations upon.

[david_munson]

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Again with things I didn't say huh?

No surprise there.
What I stated about the RCC is fact like it or not.

I read the statements made by Benedict myself.
He wants to go back to the latin mass.
"He" said so.

I have been to Rcc churches so I am not shooting into the dark on this one.
They do pray to dead people.
They do engage in indulgences.

I have seen it first hand up close and personal so don't try to convince me otherwise.
I know better.

I also stated that there are true believers in the RCC org. just as there are true believers in many denoms.
It's the false doctrines and the dogma that I oppose not the congregants.

The true church is not a building my friend.
Neither is it the RCC or any other church denom.
It's people who are filled with the Holy Spirit of God that are the church.

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[smyrna]

Dave It's obvious that you did not take the time to read those links.

"The true church is not a building my friend.
Neither is it the RCC or any other church denom.
It's people who are filled with the Holy Spirit of God that are the church."
The problem with that comment Dave, is that there are plenty of people that claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit, but how would anyone know for sure unless they can test to see if the spirit is from God?

You may say the Bible but which one?

Also, when Christ said to Peter upon this Rock I will build my Church, He did not say Churches. And when he said He was giving the keys to the Kingdom to Peter, He said that whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and vice versa.

What did He mean by that?

I do not believe that He intended that His Church die with Peter.

Paul stated not to listen to others who will lead them to a false Christ. The NT was not even written then. All anyone had to go on was Paul's word that he had what modern people would call a "religious experience.'

Looney bins are filled with people who claim they have had religious experiences.

There had to be an authority, and Paul agreed that authority could be traced back to the Church in Jeruslaem with James at that time, which can later be traced through Peter to Rome.

The "keys" were the authority given all the Apostles, the first Bishops. It's called Apostolic succession. They all had successors, and the Pope is called also the Bishop of Rome, Rome being the final resting place of Peter.

That is why the Pope's office is called also the throne of Peter.

I am sure Jesus was aware that the Gnostics would try to twist and pollute the doctrines of the Church, and I suspect they were Kenites, that's just my opinion.

I also do not think He was lying when he said the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Many Churches have come and gone, but the Catholic Church survives.

You have been away from the Church for some time, otherwise you would not have so much to say negatively about it.

What you are really saying, is that you accept other interpretations of what Catholics do and don't do and why they do or don't do, and you accept that which is negative and perceived by Protestants to be contrary to Scripture.

You my friend, are being silly by feigning anger at what you know I was not intending: that YOU claimed that the Pope is the anti-christ, etc.

I was merely illustrating that when people get all caught up in anti-Catholic rhetoric, they may very well end up believing that stuff, all of which I have actually heard.

I have always been amused by both Catholic bashers and SC bashers,the lengths of rumor mongering and false representations of what is actually taught, the foolish conspiracy theories, the paranoia, it's really something to behold.

Thus I meant it when I said the CBers will always have something to p*ss and moan about, because even if SC was to disappear, there's always the Catholics.

After all, that is why they are called Protestants.

As for the other detractors my comments about Catholicism are over. Go read the Catechism if you are so damn interested.

I won't cast any pearls before the swine.
I really don't care about your opinions, you'll be wasting your time.

[david_munson]

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How did you put it?
Whatever.

You might try matching the catholic dogma against scripture.
If you're honest with yourself you'll find many things that are error and outright heretical in nature.

But,,
I'll let it go now.
Have a good night.

Dave
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[smyrna]

Dave,

Look, I'm not going to indulge in this Catholic apologist stuff you wish me too. Unless, you are willing to take it to the appropriate thread.

We get put a couple of days aside if you wish.

To properly address those things you have already questioned, and perhaps others, like as if you were to give me an example of these "errors" and outright "heretical" things, then it will take me time to explain.

Furthermore, the word heretical is defined like this:

Heresy, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is a "theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the ***Roman Catholic*** or ***Orthodox*** doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox.

So Dave when you say that any teaching of the Catholic Church is Heretical" you are referring to an authority that considers itself either superior to the Catholic Church, or you are saying YOU are superior to the catholic Church.

Now you may say Scripture is superior, for it is the word of God, and on a simplistic level you would be correct.

Any nonconformist view within any field may be perceived as "heretical" by others within that field who are convinced that their view is "orthodox"; in the sciences this extension is made tongue-in-cheek.

For a heresy to exist there must be an authoritative system of dogma designated as orthodox, such as those proposed by Catholicism.

For you do judge anything the catholic Church teaches as heretical you must by definition, refer to just such an authoritative system of dogma.

So what is this system you are going to draw from to prove heresy on the Catholic Church?

Your personal opinions? That is not an authoritative system.

Scripture does not fit the bill, because for you to say Scripture, that would mean you presume that your interpretation is the system of authoritative dogma.

In other words, you would be claiming that your interpretation, over and above say, the Protestant system, or any other authoritative system,is greater than all those.

And that would be a pretty lofty place to put yourself, Dave.

I'd be careful using the word heretical if I were you.

[smyrna]

I wonder why Godchild doesn't want to copy and past my old website pages to be posted here?

She posted this at Cultbusters:

These are some of the views of smyrna (from his own dismally failed website). Note: he also claims to be a loyal Catholic. It helps explain their numerous false doctrines of Christianity:

Smyrna: Failed website? It's still up and running, last time I looked!

I'm Catholic and Godchild says that my being Catholic "helps explain "their" numerous false doctrines'!!!! What a MORON!

SMYRNA'S WEBSITE ABOUT AM/SC

The Shepherd's Chapel doesn't teach anything that is in disagreement with, for instance, the Apostle's Creed, the fundamental, core beliefs of Christians. Limiting your understanding of the Bible to what mainstream theology teaches because 'it's so easy to get off-the-mark and wrong' if you go outside that mainstream theology is not an approach that will satisfy people who sense deeper meaning in the Bible and are not afraid (or incapable) of seeing deeper meaning in the Bible.

Smyrna: She has a problem with that?

Continuing:

"Further, people who are drawn towards the Shepherd's Chapel aren't chained to or concerned about Roman Catholic or Calvinist theology (or any other theology, though are not negative, necessarily towards any other church), but care about what the Word of God says. We don't need to place a construct made by man over the Word of God. This approach requires more effort and more discipline, but so be it. For example, though, when you accuse somebody of 'modalism' regarding the Trinity we just laugh. Fools have been killing people from the beginning over inanities like that."

Above I was speaking in a general sense, and was not my personal approach to Catholicism. Were that not so, I would also have to be a Calvinist, for example.

"[Note regarding the above: many people in the world of mainstream Christian churches and who subscribe to mainstream Christian theology have observed that Shepherd's Chapel students tend to be arrogant towards them (and worse, I'm sure). This is because people who connect with the approach of the Shepherd's Chapel tend to be people who have found the mainstream churches and denominations of Christianity to be shallow or cowardly or both. It's difficult to not express contempt for Christian teachers and leaders who are ignorant of the Word of God and/or too cowardly to teach the Word of God boldly (i.e. who don't bow and cower to the various strictures of political-correctness or anything else of a similar nature that's going around).

I'm really surprised that she apparently has a problem with the above, since her, Dave and perhaps a few other detractors claim to not associate themselves with any Churches.

However, in Godchild's case, after I chided her for having the attitude she doesn't need public worship, using the Word of God, she, in another one of those amazing coincidences, has lately found a Church to go to.

Yeah, it's probably one of those "Sunday social club, brunch in the basement, after the revolving Rev. sermon Church", but I guess it's better than nothing. (for her)

Anyway there is more to my comments at CB, but the strange thing is, why not post it here?

I don't mind.

What a weirdo.

Gee, you'd think by reading CB's threads, they were talking about "Smyrna's Chapel" rather than Shepherd's Chapel.

Thanks for the attention! (especially since Stage Distractor is campaigning (so she says) to ignore me!)

LOL!

[david_munson]

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Smyrna:"So Dave when you say that any teaching of the Catholic Church is Heretical" you are referring to an authority that considers itself either superior to the Catholic Church, or you are saying YOU are superior to the catholic Church.

Now you may say Scripture is superior, for it is the word of God, and on a simplistic level you would be correct."

I would most certainly be correct for anything contrary to scripture such as
1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

I know the arguements you'll put up but you can't deny the Word and have integrity you know.
It says what it says and it means what's said.

It is "God's Word" not my interpritation.
Some things are just what they say and no more.
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[smyrna]

I've already hashed out that argument with you Dave, and if you wish to continue to disagree, that is certainly your choice.

Anyway, I am going to take a long break from FactNet, because the Cultbusters extremist detractors have been throughly discredited, as of today. See the ICGJC thread for details.

I don't care if they don't think they are finished. They will never admit defeat.

I knew this day would come, I can prove I knew this day would come.

It is now here.

I've enjoyed our conversations, and I'm sure we'll meet her again after I take a much anticipated break.

Peace to you, Dave.

[jeff_franklin]

If the Christians and other anti SC posters have been defeated by the racist Arnold Murray heretics then why are we still standing and posting while all of arnie's stooges have run away?

[smyrna]

Here is an entry from www.Cultbusters.com.au (http://www.Cultbusters.com.au) Shepherd's Chapel Right or Wrong thread:

zarquan
Newbie
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Posts: 14

Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #846 on: Yesterday at 03:23:32 AM »

"I've written the Jewish Anti-Defamation League ***several times over the past few months,*** and explained what Arnold Murray and his Shepherd's Chapel taught regarding Serpent Seed and Kenites. I've asked them if they considered them racist or anti-Semitic, ***but have received no reply.*** ****They don't list SC/AM under Christian Identity, and seem to stay clear of commenting about them. I wonder why?***


Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh man thanks Godchild, this is SOOOOOOOOOO great!!!!!!!!!!

Just like I KNEW would happen if one of you clowns wrote the ADL or anybody with your silly opinions and false accusations!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are all FINISHED!!!!!!!!!!

Hear me, TOAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Smyrna, I read those posts at CB also and I say Kudos to Mike!! It's apparent he's not taking any particular side, but....since he's not trashing us, godchild will try to trash him.

Those CBers are so unbiased...aren't they? lol</font>

[smyrna]

Hi Ter,

Maybe if they weren't already floundering and so desperate, they wouldn't have to be so protective of their little cabal over there.

They are more of a cult than anything. They all have to lock in lock step with each other.

Anyone who says anything in favor of the SC is immediately attacked, no matter how unbiased that person may appear to be.

Kudos to Mike? Be careful, they'll be accusing you or one of us of being him soon enough.

It's just an excuse to ban him, it's the easy way out for them. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Hi Smyrna,

Funny isn't it...they call themselves cultbusters...but they're in a cult themselves...lol Anyone who doesn't jump on their bandwagon of hate against us is deemed an enemy and is treated as such.

LOL Let them think Mike is one of us...lol It will cause their paranoia to run rampant! Now that's funny to watch...lol</font>

[smyrna]

"LOL Let them think Mike is one of us...lol It will cause their paranoia to run rampant! Now that's funny to watch...lol"

Good point! But since they have to blame everyone else for their troubles, they will have to ban Mike, because they can't face the fact they will be embarrassed, if that is all possible. They really have no shame, will attempt just about anything, we've proved that, to protect their little cult.

Abiyah would have been gone from there, if she ever starts to post. They're just waiting for the chance to ban her. She just hasn't posted anything yet.

By the way, notice how Stage Detractor and Godchild are conveniently ignoring this thread?

They are so transparent, so predictable. LOL!

[godchild]

Ah. Smyrna wanto to post bits and pieces of my posts from other sites. Here is the whole thing, for clarification:

mr t, You've said some interesting stuff here. Apparently, you think yourself qualified to referee a situation you admit you know little about. Let me make a suggestion to you. Do some research before passing judgment.

You want to accept the sc trash. Go ahead. That's your choice, and no one will try and take that away from you anymore than we have tried to take a choice away from any member of am/sc.

Let me go back to your first post to me. The one where you say smyrna wasn't whining. I didn't say he was whining either, did I? I said he was crying. And he was. He said he wasn't a whiner, all the while he's crying to whatshisname like a baby: Oh, these antiscers are picking on us and our preacher. He needs to grow the flip up. He wants to play a big, strong defender of his faith, then he better have the balls to back it up. If you don't like my choice of words, tough.

You didn't take the time to "research" smyrna's nasty little website, yet he's mentioned it more than once (and given the link to it), just as we have. Come on! You are as phoney as they are.

You said you've been reading the posts of them and us. Yet you have chosen to judge us. When I say us, I mean Christians who are defending the Holy Bible and the author of it. If you don't like our methods, hey, don't read them. Isn't that what you told us. Now you are here and don't want to hear arron and I celebrated smyrna being confronted by david pike. Well mr., he not only put a nasty caricature of me on his site, but also intentionally posted personal information about me on factnet that I never gave. How did he do this. He found out the county where I lived at the time. Who does something like that? There's a legal term for it: stalker. There is ample evidence that he hacked this site, more than once. He has blatantly insulted every single person who has ever disagreed with am/sc, and that started long before he got on factnet or we ever heard of peter cephas.

If you want to play ignorant and suggest these are just innocent people with different beliefs, you go right ahead. There is no such thing as "fair play" with them.

You know, the owner of this site hasn't been to factnet nor posted there for ages. Yet, the scers have taken every opportunity to insult him and his site. Why? Because he allows people to expose cults here? Well, shame on him! I say more power to him. He has more character in his little finger than the scer's have in their whole bodies. His time isn't spent going to other sites and doing God knows what all to try and shut them down. He has better things to do.

smyrna is a little man obsessed, not for his love of God and the Word, but for a man he knows full well is the rascist pig we have shown him to be. Yes, they have the right to be rascist pigs, they can go worship a donut hole as far as I'm concerned. What we will never be quiet about is lying to people about what the Holy Bible teaches.

DO YOU GET MY POINT YET? If you don't, there's plenty more where that came from, and I'm just itching to give it to you.

[smyrna]

I wonder if Nabashalom is serious about cleaning up these boards.
The above post by Godchild, where she calls both Murray and the students "racist pigs" is definitely not the type of language he wanted to see more of.
So Nabashalom, i.e. DAVID PIKE, are you reading this? If I don't receive and answer here, I'll write you in private.

[godchild]

I would say mike t. took my message, along with others who responded to him, very well. I notice smyrna isn't pasting that one over here: (by all means, let me):

By the way, I have seen Smyrna's website this afternoon, RLS sent me the URL in a personal message. Godchild, I had not seen or remembered Smyrna make any reference to his site, but I also I don't spend hours reading every single post at FactNet either.
But I figured my reaction would be the same as my suspicions, that Smyrna does this to blow off steam, and to aggravate you all. You shouldn't allow him to see that you were affected in any way, and he probably loves it when you make comments about the site, because he put things you've already said about it, no matter how negative, right on the site, like he considered them trophies or something.

and the next:

I also don't understand how you can say I had just described Smyrna's material as him just blowing off steam, when it seems clear to me you also read my comments that he was goading you all into getting some reaction, maybe not you, but the others here.
Of course he has to be outrageous and crude, it's like psychological terrorism, and it seems to have worked.
Even Nabashalom commented to him that he was concerned that people would be afraid to post there because of his bullying tactics.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm not taking sides, and I really didn't even want to discuss anything, I am really more content just reading.
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terlu doesn't learn her lessons very well. She was reprimanded more than once at the season for being a quote: "trouble maker", and even apologised for it there, I suppose so she wouldn't get banned. So her apology didn't mean much did it? She runs right over here doing the same thing, and adding nothing of substance to the discussions. She's still a "yes girl, all the way".

[godchild]

Not whining again, smyrna? lol What happened to the big bad terrorist?

[godchild]

My statements were not slanderous. Just fact! Don't you remember am's reasoning for not eating pig, because they don't sweat. Well, you aren't sweating now, are you, smyrna? Calling you a rascist is right on the mark, and calling you a pig fits, doesn't it. Just facts!

[smyrna]

I would think that Mike, if he is reading here, will see that you calling people "racist pigs" is right on par with my former way of addressing people, (at least here)and I can assure you the moderators will be notified that you are ignoring their urging to clean it up.

Enough is enough. You think you can get away with ignoring what was a warning to all, not just me, to clean up these forums.

Maybe you think you can get away with it because it's no secret David Pike is biased against the SC, but he insisted he wasn't singling me out, so let's make this incident a test case and see.

As for my copying the CB stuff here, yes I truncated it, and it's no secret anyone can go and read the entire posts with the touch of a few buttons, so don't play that game AGAIN by claiming I was hiding anything. It really makes you look foolish.

[smyrna]

Hey Godchild, you missed this one over at CB:

"I do agree that certain people love to see a reaction ... The whole thing amuses me because I'm sure his web traffic consists of little more than his motley crew. Let him have his fun."

Gee, I can say the same thing about the Cultbusters site.

We'll see what the moderators think about your posts. if they want to appear to be unfair, then that's their choice.

Slander isn't the only problem. It's what they call "bullying."

I can't call any of you idiots or morons, but you can call people racist pigs, or Frankie can call us "lily-white a$$es"

I don't think so.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
So Nabashalom, i.e. DAVID PIKE, are you reading this? If I don't receive and answer here, I'll write you in private.
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Oh for Pete's sake ... Did anybody miss this message?

QUOTE
I AM GROWING LESS TOLERANT OF THE POINTLESS AND NEEDLESS PERSONAL ATTACKS AND THE RESULTANT INCREASE IN THIS ADMINS NEED TO MONITOR ACTIVITIES HERE. THANK YOU.
END QUOTE

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gif "Knock it off. We really don't have time to respond to tattling, and besides ... you should be adult enough to behave yourselves."

[smyrna]

"Knock it off. We really don't have time to respond to tattling, and besides ... you should be adult enough to behave yourselves."

Sorry Stage Detractor,

But apparently you have chosen to ignore David Pike's admonition to me that I refrain from calling people idiots and morons, and appealed to me personally to help clean up the boards.

He sure had time to do that, and I'm taking his word that he was not singling me out.

I find it mildly interesting but of no surprise that you conveniently left those facts out, while of course you have no problem with Godchild using the term "racist pig" and clapping your hands and celebrating over at Cultbusters that David indeed singled me out.

I wonder what type of Christians you claim to be that would rather justify another's attack on someone,just because you agree with them.

Yet you condemn another while your allies are guilty of doing the same thing. Sounds very hypocritical to me.

Too bad none of you can read well enough, or don't want to read, the FACT that he was talking about everyone.

So let's see if he was serious or if he was just trying to get out of a situation where he did indeed single me out.

Godchild calls it whining, I call it reporting abuse that they think they have a right to get away with, while complaining profusely when the shoe is on the other foot.

[godchild]

Poor smyrna, He now calls nabashalam's warning to him, an ATTACK. But let's continue on. Since smyrna then says nabash was talking about everyone, we're all being attacked. Oh, my goodness, what are we to do? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

I'm reminded of a little poem I used to say to my daughter when she was a wee lass, and feeling sorry for herself. "Nobody likes me. everybody hates me. I'm going to go eat worms." It always managed to make her laugh and get her out of her "self-pity" mood. Will it work here? Only time will tell.

[godchild]

To quote the first post on this thread created by you know who, "--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This thread could turn out to be one of the more entertaining threads at Cultblunders. (for the uninitiated, I am referring to www.cultbusters.com.au (http://www.cultbusters.com.au))
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I have to agree! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[smyrna]

"Poor smyrna, He now calls nabashalam's warning to him, an ATTACK'

Funny, I don't see any post where I ever said that. But it's no surprise that once again your reading comprehension has failed you.

Somebody that would have been "attacking" me wouldn't have asked me to help him clean up the forum in the very next post. Even you can understand that, hopefully.

As far as entertainment value of this thread goes, I think it is safe to say that it has been at the expense of the so-called Cultbusters, than the other way around.

[arron]

i heard arnold murray say he did not eat [ork or pig because they did not sweat. the reason GOD give is different. they dont chew their cud. again he (ARNOLD ) IS USEING SCRIPTURE AND MAKEING IT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT YEACHES. I AM FREE TO EAT ANYTHING I DESIR all meats are clean if i dont want it i dont eat it. i will admit that pork run peoples blood pressure up an ddifferent thing do too. but what about the things in the sea that have no fins does he eat those? i even knew a jew who ate ham

[watchman_2]

arron,

You really are silly at times. It is a tradition of man [especially hog farmers] to claim that all meats are "clean".

The laws of "clean" and "unclean" meat is given in the OT. Name one scripture where Christ said that he 'changed' the law?

[smyrna]

Hey Arron, why don;t you read this, and then tell me what it means to you, while you are chewing on a pork chop:

Leviticus 11

1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.

4 " 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The coney, [a] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.

*** 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you.***

8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

You are right Watchman.

[arron]

i will look up the scriptures and tell you. one is in acts where peter saw a sheet with clean and unclean animals in it. now dont come up with but that is talking about the gentiles. yes in one sense it was and in the other it was not as all meats are clean. i never had any one tell me ( hog farmers ) tell me that hogs were clean. do you eat shrimp? do you eat oysters< do you eat the things in the sea that have no fins? do you eat rabbits (hares)? well if you do they are unclen too as you say.
i am not under the law of commandments but under grace which you smyrna dont beleive in or you watchman as you all are always fussing about the way a verse is worde that it doesnt mean what it says. you have to compare spiritual things with spiritual

[arron]

i will look up the scriptures and tell you. one is in acts where peter saw a sheet with clean and unclean animals in it. now dont come up with but that is talking about the gentiles. yes in one sense it was and in the other it was not as all meats are clean. i never had any one tell me ( hog farmers ) tell me that hogs were clean. do you eat shrimp? do you eat oysters< do you eat the things in the sea that have no fins? do you eat rabbits (hares)? well if you do they are unclen too as you say.
i am not under the law of commandments but under grace which you smyrna dont beleive in or you watchman as you all are always fussing about the way a verse is worde that it doesnt mean what it says. you have to compare spiritual things with spiritual

[godchild]

arron, You mentioned am's lesson (I saw too) where he said pigs don't sweat and that's why we shouldn't eat them. He said because they don't sweat all the bacteria from their body stays in their fat. I'd like to know where he dreamed that up. Pigs don't have sweat glands, or very few of them. Sweating is for the purpose of cooling our bodies, not to rid them of bacteria. I wonder if am eats chicken. Birds don't have sweat glands either. lol p.s. Ever seen a sweating chicken? I haven't seen them sweat even when the hawks are soaring around overhead.

Man, am says something and his students just "swallow it up".

[watchman_2]

Just as I thought -- you detractors cannot quote a scripture where Christ changed the OT law.

[stage_director]

Lev 24:19-20
19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him [again].

Mat 5:38-39
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.


(Message edited by stage_director on September 21, 2007)

[smyrna]

Isn't it funny that Arron and Godchild haven't bothered to look up Leviticus 11?

It's also very revealing, that Godchild misquotes Pastor Murray, because it is TOXINS, and not bacteria, that he speaks of when he says those things stay in the fat of swine.

There is good bacteria, anyone with even the most fundamental knowledge of physiology can tell you that.

As for Stage Detractor, her post is yet another affirmation that she is absolutely clueless when it comes to understanding the Bible.

In tis case, it is so bad, it's not even worth rebutting. Let her wallow in her own ignorance.

[smyrna]

I can't resist!

"Our methods of eliminating toxins in the body are few. We are limited to the feces, the urine, perspiration and respiration."

http://tuberose.com/Sweating.html

Because you people have trouble putting two and two together, I'll have to mention that goes for pigs too! LOL!

You are CLUELESS Godchild and Arron, incredibly and utterly CLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smyrna]

THIS IS GREAT!

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MikeT
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Re: shepherds chapel right or wrong
« Reply #996 on: Today at 07:38:04 PM »


"Franklin and the rest of you,

Franklin, sir, you are accusing me of things without any basis for it whatsoever. I told you, anything I have ever read or what I know about you is from Factnet or Cultbusters, and I've only posted here a few times, and never at FactNet, so it is bizarre what you are accusing me of.
This is so crazy! I never said or implied I believe the serpent seed theory. This is also very strange I would be addressed as if I do, without one modicum of evidence.
Goodbye, I don't really need to engage with such a strange group as this."


Smyrna: This guy never said anything about Franklin, he never claimed he believed anything about the serpent seed, yet all those people over there are all over the guy attacking him as if he was an SC student!

But you really have to go there and read the thread, it's hilarious!

Of course, falsely accusing people and herd mentality is nothing new for the so-called Cultbusters.

They really are as Mike says, strange! LOL!

[franklin]

Nope, you can deny it all you want smearna but you know exactly what was going on over there. What's Mike's email address?

We've played games with you guys before over there. You keep sending your little bruno ringers in there to try and fool and decieve us. And we see through it every time.

mike was doing the same thing you do. Cyberstalking, using coercive tactics to silence the critics of your sacred cult leader Arnold Murray. Those actions alone prove that Shepherd's Chapel is a cult. You don't see the Methodist Church cyberstalking and using coercive tactics to silence their critics. Only cults do that. And you are the chief persecutor for Shepherd's Chapel. The pages of factnet are full of evidence of your cyberbullying, slander and cyberstalking. Well your childish pranks won't be tolerated here or on Cultbusters. If you are going to defend your racist cult then do so. But stop attacking us personally and doing investigative reports on who we are, where we live, where we work....... That is illegal and you will be prosecuted for it. Factnet is not the wild, wild west. Laws do pertain to our behavior here also. Invasion of privacy will not be tolerated.

So your little propaganda piece on what happened with your sleeper account friend Mike T. on Cultbusters is just so much guano.

All factnet readers who have experienced the psychological terror and coercive tactics that cults use recognize what you are doing. You are a reminder to them of the cult leader or one of their stooges that they suffered under. Anyone who has be enslaved by a cult recognizes your behavior as cultic.

And anyone who has suffered from racism readily recognizes that the teachings of Arnold Murray are racist. Any Jew recognizes the teachings of Arnold Murray are anti semitic. Any Christian who has read the Bible knows that the teachings of Arnold Murray are unChristian, unscriptural heresy.

All are welcome to the Cutlbusters forum. Just be upfront about who you are. If you post on factnet then tell us what user name you have over here. Tell us what you really believe. Don't pretend to be impartial when obviously you are not. Mike T. gave his hand away the day he started posting there. And it was not in what he wrote.

Stop sending in your ringers. No matter how clever you think you are we spot them from a mile away. If someone wants to come over and be upfront from the gitgo, no problem. A civil and respectful discourse is possible. Is that too much to ask for? Honesty, Respect and Honor? Haven't seen it so far.

I'm not asking you to stop being a racist heretic overnight. You are hardcore. That's going to take time I know.

And you and your cult leader are hardcore paranoid. That's why he has vicious attack dogs like you. And integrity and legality go out the window when it comes defending your cult leader. The ends justifies the means.

Read Mike T's posts. he says in there he does not approve or condone smyrna tactics of pschological terror. Problem was is while he was writing that he was engaging in it himself. You, Mike and I know exactly what that means. And so do all of the particpants in that topic on cultbusters. So your scheme backfired. Truth be known you look worse than before you attempted it.

Just stop your lies, deceptions, paranoid investigating the personal life of any critic of your sacred cult leader and pretending like you have support outside of your cult. You do not. No non racist is going to defend a racist. That is an absolute truth!

[smyrna]

Real nice try Frankie,

But you came here and continue to falsely accuse the SC. I am not a member of any cult, I have stated repeatedly that I am a Catholic.

I am not a racist, and I can easily prove that. So when you call me a racist, it is a personal attack and the moderators here have stated that will no longer be tolerated.

So keep it up, because you'll be gone from here if you continue to call me or anyone else who has stated they are not racist racist pigs, or if you use racial slurs again.

Every time anyone signs on to Cultbusters and says anything positive at all about the SC, you cultists set that person up,ban him, and then claim they are one of us.

So, if you think you have some case against me, go ahead and make it, because you can't prove something that is not true.

[franklin]

And that is exactly what I am saying to you. You ain't got nothing on me. Leave our personal lives, names, addresses out of this discussion.

This is not a political campaign where if you ain't got nothing on your opponent you make something up. Only person up for discussion here is Arnold Murray.

He fashions himself to be a paid religious leader, well that's what cultbuster's is here for. To discuss religious leaders, their Churches and their beliefs.

But saying the Jews are the children of satan is not "non" racist. You can't deflect that charge because that is the truth. And nooooo Catholic believes that!

[smyrna]

Sorry Frankie. You accuse students of being racist. They are not. You lie when you say I have posted your name and address on here, I don't know your name or address, unless you have about fifteen of them, as far as names are concerned.

Take your pick: Franklin, Jeff, Glenn, Foxy Loxy, Gavin, and who knows what else.

You say you are black, then white, I really don't know or care what race you are.

You lie about the chapel being racist, it's ridiculous. They have black people that are right on the tape of the Passover meetings, and the ADL won't listen to your CBers when they send letters to them with your silly charges.

You waste your time and energy attacking a Church that you don't agree with by charging them falsely.

You have been suspended here for your behavior, and you will be banned if you continue to insult me personally by calling me a racist.

You people are evil. You can no longer call me a racist pig here, so you all are doing it over at Cultbusters,all the while you are whining that you want a civil discussion. Yeah, sure.

You call people racist pigs, lily-white a$$ed honkies and you want a civil discussion.

Unbelieveable.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Watchman,
maybe you would agree with this.
Christ did not "change" the Old Testament laws He fulfilled them.
They where given to Israel and not the gentiles.

Since Christ's resurrection we are now under the Royal Law of Love.

Do you agree with that?

</font>}

[stage_director]

QUOTE
In tis case, it is so bad, it's not even worth rebutting.
END QUOTE

Of course it isn't because you can't explain the seeming contradiction in these verses:

Lev 24:19-20
19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him [again].

Mat 5:38-39
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

David, I agree with you mostly except to say we were always under that law, even though God didn't enforce it entirely because of our inadequacy in understanding it or fulfilling the requirements.

[lutheratx]

Matthew 5 [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The Pharisees had become holier than thou and were even offensive with it. So Christ puts more discipline in the law all the way up to verse 38. Even to the point that if you are offensive and are a disciplined subject of the King of Kings you can be struck for being offensive and take no recourse. All the way up to verse 38 Christ is teaching how to interact with man if you call your self of God like the Pharisees do. So he didn't remove eye for an eye he made it even more strict on the disciples. Read the chapter after the beatitudes and it clearly says what I just said it does.

Matthew [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I should try not to be offensive and if this offends you, well like I have been doing as of late, see ya.

[lutheratx]

No I am not done yet, critics that are so consistently wrong should not be listened to. They need to up the level of understanding to make it less one sided.

Sure in part I have been wrong, but I have been right more than any critic. This should show anyone that these are people that just will not allow themselves to be wrong. This is typical of all people, no one wants to humble themselves. It is hard for me, however I have admitted that I was wrong here before. I have apologised probably five times, meaning I was wrong at least five times. I humble myself even learning something from one way (one time, don't get big headed because trust me I feel confident with the word and that it will put a critic in his place), but rarely do I see the critics here capable of humbling one self. When one does later they will come back and take it back.

These are your critics SC those that are consistently wrong. The ones that will be offended by the truth, that is why I try to stay away from here.

It is hard to stay away from people that you know are bad mouthing your belief system it is hard to turn that other cheek. I don't want these to be offended, but it is not necessarily there fault, I am not sure what has them going down this path. I believe we will find out in the millennium, and so will they. So to the critic try to open your mind, try to remove the mainstream Christianity that is a type for what the pharisees where teaching. However it is God that allows that seed to grow so I think we will see in the millennium why God did not allow it to grow.

Let us that can understand, which is a good deal of the critics too, that most of us love Christ. This grounds alone makes me want to recieve you, of course I will keep my theology.

[godchild]

luther, You must be talking to smyrna. He belongs to THE MOST TRADITIONAL church ever organized; the catholic one. The one that another scer has called the great whore of Babylon here on these threads. You all need to be fighting it out with each other; not coming to public discussion boards with all this rascist, slimy, sexist, perverted garbage that arnold murray/shepherds chapel and all likeminded groups teach. We're not interested. No Christian would be.

[godchild]

nabashalom, smyrna has used the words he says offends him more times in his posts the last couple of days than anyone else ever did. They seem not to offend him too badly; wouldn't you agree. He needs to knock it off because he is soo rude he doesn't seem to care he is offending the other members of his own group; the soldiers of the cross group: aka sc.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Good Morning Smyrna,

Quote:
You lie about the chapel being racist, it's ridiculous. They have black people that are right on the tape of the Passover meetings, and the ADL won't listen to your CBers when they send letters to them with your silly charges.

That's right!! Franklin must have conveniently forgotten that Abiyah is Bi-racial. She stated it here right within these threads. He also forgets that I have a nephew who is bi-racial.

And...none of us tried to pretend what race we are from, (for it really doesn't matter), but Franklin did....first he's white then he's black....I really wish he could figure it out...lol

And who are the ones who use the racial slurs??? Franklin and godchild are the biggest offenders in this area.

We keep stating that God created all the races and said it was very good.

Franklin need to come down from space and fill his brain with oxygen...lol</font>

[godchild]

Does the fact that I quoted arnold murray's racial slur to make a point to terlu mean I am a rascist? terlu needs to get her head out of that deep hole it seems to be buried in.

You keep stating God created all the races and said it was very good. You use Gen. 1 for your reference. We agree. But am and his students go further and name another group of people they claim are the adamic people from whence the Lord comes. They go further and say the adamic people are white. They go further and say a father and mother of one race can't have children of another color (their definition for race), yet here comes ter saying am/sc lies because she is what am calls a mamzer or hybrid. Go figger. She doesn't understand it, but we all sure do. Sorry! I for one do not ever call people by those names. I asked ter if she agreed with am's defintion of her after her saying she is part Jew. Now I am the one being accused of being a rascist. There is some deep denial on the part of ter and other scers. Its all very sad, though they seem perfectly content to accept it.

[godchild]

terlu is so content with am's assessment of her she even started signing her posts "the mamzer". By golly, she's going to defend am no matter what. If he calls her a mamzer, then that's what she's going to call herself.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
Abiyah is Bi-racial
END QUOTE

What? Swedish and Italian? By bi-racial does she mean one of her parents is an African American?

[laurenfox]

Seems like the new ringer Mike T. sent over to Cultbusters was nothing more than a cyberstalker with an antifranklin agenda.

Deductive reasoning says Mike T. is either bluewater or smyrna. An atheist or a racist. Take your pick.

[oneway]

"Deductive reasoning says Mike T. is either bluewater or smyrna."


I don't know if I believe mike t. is smyrna. Wasn't one of mike t's suggestion that these sc threads become read only? Why would smyrna want that? And as far as bluewater, I realize that he and franklin are mortal enemies, but I just don't see bluewater as that type, to be so obsessed with getting back at franklin, that he becomes mike t. at cb. But I do sort of feel that mike t. is a spy and up to no good, I just don't feel he's either one of these 2. Mike claims he's more of an observer than a poster. It sure seems he has a lot to say for someone who doesn't post often, lol. It is quite strange that he's involved with the sc threads at CB but claims he knows little about the serpent seed doctrine. Good thing I'm not the mod over there, because I would ban him for just being too suspicious acting, lol.

[stage_director]

No, I don't see Blue going through all those changes to say what's on his mind either ...

[terluvire]

Yes SD, one of Abiyah's parents is African-American and the other is White. She has posted this before and it seems to be ignored by most, especially Franklin.

[stage_director]

Yikes. If that's the case she ought to be doubly ashamed of herself for aligning herself to a ministry that DOES teach marriage between races goes against the biblical concept of kind after kind ... that they are not of the same flesh.

And spare me the protests ... I've sat in on SC discussions on SC forums where people in mixed marriages were told they were committing a wrong. I heard firsthand as it explained to a grandmother of bi-racial children that she should care about the kids IN SPITE of who they were, and that while they weren't able to lead a white congregation they could still minister to their "own kind."

Matter of fact, what ensued from that particular discussion was such a uhh, revealing debate that all the black people I knew at the time from the lists who studied with Murray kicked SC to the curb shortly thereafter.

Murray has toned down the public message a bit for you relative "newbies" ... To tell you the truth, I think it's because people I know as well as myself kept pointing out the racism and making the issue very public, both on SC forums and off. But it doesn't erase the fact that just a few short years ago he was very openly teaching mixed raced people along with geber are what's meant by the biblical term for a ba$tard.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Oneway,
you ban someone for violating the TOS not for being suspicious.
If that was done we'd all be banned.LOL.

</font>}

[oneway]

"Oneway,
you ban someone for violating the TOS not for being suspicious.
If that was done we'd all be banned.LOL."

That's why it's probably a good thing I'm not a mod, lol.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[godchild]

I THINK THIS IS A LIE:

terluvire
Senior Member
Username: terluvire

Post Number: 2167
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.115.62.24
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 9:32 pm:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes SD, one of Abiyah's parents is African-American and the other is White. She has posted this before and it seems to be ignored by most, especially Franklin.
---------END
I'M NOT SAYING TERLU IS LYING ABOUT ABI BEING BLACK. I THINK SHE'S LYING ABOUT ABI SAYING SO IN HER POSTS. I THINK TERLU CAN PROVE IT OR ADMIT SHE LIED ABOUT IT.

SOME PEOPLE ARE RASCIST AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS, SOME AGAINST JEWS. THE MAIN POINT MADE ON ALL THESE THREADS IS NOT AM'S RASCISM AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS, BUT AGAINST JEWS! SO, IS TERLU SAYING ABI CLAIMS TO BE A BLACK JEW? OTHERWISE, WHAT'S THE POINT?

SOME OF AM'S STUDENTS HAVE SHOWN RASCISM AGAINST BLACKS. WATCHMAN, FOR EXAMPLE, ALWAYS BRINGS UP THAT ADAMICS ARE WHITE. I'VE NEVER HEARD ABI OR TERLU JUMP UP AND DOWN BECAUSE WATCHMAN SAYS THAT! WHAT'S THE DEAL HERE? IS IT OKAY FOR SOME SCERS TO BE RASCIST AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS? WILL TERLU ANSWER THAT? Please.

While abi's skin color may come from the white part of her genes, why did she comment that am hugged her and treated her kindly at passover? Was she alluding to her skin color? She didn't come out and say she was half African American in that post, but she was obviously alluding to something. In another post, she stated "NOT ONE PERSON HERE HAD SEEN HER FACE." She didn't come right out and say she is African American there either, but I assume she was alluding to something racial because it was on a "rascist" thread. I didn't notice any dark-skinned legs on the photo you all made such a point to show me. Is abi a white-skinned African American? Whatever her lineage, according to am, she can't be from the adamic line, because those (according to her leader) are of a pure pedigree, and according to her leader, that mean's a blushing white man, one who passed over the Caucasus mountains. I take it neither abi nor terlu can be "elect" by am's definition. What a shame!

[godchild]

Please don't get upset with me for all that confusion. It's not me that believes one word of it; its you all because you believe am and sons. Try as you might, you will never be accepted in am's "inner sanctum". He comes to you because of your tithes and offerings, remember. If you like what you hear (from them) keep supporting them.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">godchild, I am not lying, but I'm also not going to go searching through all the posts. Abiyah most certainly did tell Franklin she was half White and half Black. She posted it when Franklin was making many black racial slurs.

And godchild, if you look at the pics of the ladies standing in front of the Chapel, you will see it. Look very closely...</font> http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[godchild]

In the first place, franklin didn't make any black racial slurs, and I don't care if abi is striped. She's a human being, just like the rest of us. All descended from Adam and Eve. Just read Genesis 1 and you will see this. Also Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; vs25 Neither is worshippped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all thing; vs 26 <font color="ff0000">And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, </font>and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; vs 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: vs 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. vs 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's devise. vs 30 and the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent: vs 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

No one is any different from another; no hybrids as am says, no mamzers as am says, no half black-half white as am may say, no half-Jew half Greek; all the same in God's eyes, all judged the same, and all receiving eternal life who believe in HIM.

[oneway]

"No one is any different from another; no hybrids as am says, no mamzers as am says, no half black-half white as am may
say, no half-Jew half Greek; all the same in God's eyes, all judged the same, and all receiving eternal life who believe in
HIM."


It's a no-brainer, no one had knowledge of good and evil combined until Adam and Eve fell. If there were other created races, then how did they gain this knowledge? It's like I've stated before, logic says that it was passed down thru the blood by way of procreation. This is why I also believe it's one of the reasons God cursed the pregancy of the woman in general. So, why did the woman have to be pregnant at the time and with satan's child of all things? She didn't have to be, that's nonsense and foolishness to think she was pregnant with satan's child. I can't understand why they don't get it?

(Message edited by oneway on September 23, 2007)

[bluewater2]

Hi all. Just back from a trip to Aruba. I wouldn't normally post here but I saw my name mentioned so I will chime in. No, I am not Mike T. I was banned from "buttcrusters" a long time ago and when I am banned for speaking my mind I have no interest in sneaking in there or anywhere else under an assumed name.

On another note. I don't really give a damn about how some particular group decides to interpret the bible. It is by their actions that I judge them and when I see all of the back and forth going on here, generally I notice that the SC'rs carry themselves pretty well and tend to whipe the asphalt with the detractors.

I think the bible is a bunch of baloney anyway as far as it being the word of god goes, so the multiple interpretations are fun to see, especially when they pit Christian against Christian.

[rachelengland]

Maybe some folks think it is you because you enjoy watching "christians" fight... ya think-a little bit of a pot stirrer.


It's probably not a good thing to enjoy watching christians fight each other....reminds me of Rome and the coliseums...Glad you returned safely from your trip though..R


Hey!!! i just noticed something..AM = Arnold Murray..PM= pastor Murray hahaha that must be a sign hahahaha

(Message edited by rachelengland on September 23, 2007)

[bluewater2]

I don't throw the christians in the ring. They walk in willingly.

And yes, stirring the pot is good entertainment in this forum. Got to keep them on their toes.

I just don't see how there can be so much dissention over the infallible word of god.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
I think the bible is a bunch of baloney anyway as far as it being the word of god goes, so the multiple interpretations are fun to see, especially when they pit Christian against Christian.
END QUOTE

I don't get that, Blue? I don't put stock in Buddhism or Islam, humm, or even the religions some call psychology ... but I can't imagine different sects or beliefs going at it having much entertainment value for me. Why does it for you?

[laurenfox]

I just started posting on factnet but I have been reading it for a long time. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on here. I participate in quite a few public forums and I have never seen one like this one, heavy handedly moderated with such an pro atheist bias. Why are atheists allowed to administrate a cult awareness forum. Isn't that kind of like letting the fox guard the henhouse?

It is soooo obvious what is going on here. bluewater is allowed to flame and troll his way across the pages of factnet beating everyone over the head with his athesit club with guaranteed immunity to any of the rules of decency and internet ettiquette that everyone else is required to follow. Anyone who stands up to bluewater's bullying is instantly banned. Poof! Coincidence? Hardly!

Remember David 777? I do.

bluewater pretends support for the Jews and yet he allies himself with those who hate the Jews fervently and calls them the spawn of satan. bluewater is here to convert everyone to atheism which is at cross purposes with factnet's. And yet the factnet admininistator allows this to go on??? Hmmm?

The moderator allows smyrna to go on flaming, trolling, making slanderous statements against all who speak against the racist Arnold Murray for one reason. smyrna hates franklin just as much as bluewater does. That's a no brainer. An enemy of franklin's is automatically a friend of bluewater's. This whole forum is rigged in bluewater's favor. Only way he can survive on a public discussion forum. Any other forum would have banned bluewater and his buddy smyrna a long time ago.

Factnet will never acheive what it is inteneded for, true cult awareness, until a new moderator is appointed and bluewater and smyrna are banned forever.

Now watch how quick this post is deleted and I am banned for speaking blasphemy against the god of factnet, bluewater. Just watch!

[fatherofaking]

Now watch how quick this post is deleted and I am banned for speaking blasphemy against the god of factnet, bluewater. Just watch!

hello franklin.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">godchild said:
In the first place, franklin didn't make any black racial slurs, and I don't care if abi is striped. She's a human being, just like the rest of us.

LOLOLOL!!! This is toooooo much!! Oh my goodness, here you are calling us racists, yet who are the ones using racial terms??? "if abi is striped"...are you for real godchild???? I can't believe you said that....lololol!!!

And it does make a difference....you people call us racist.....and that the Chapel is against people of mixed races and yet...here is one of the Chapel's students who IS bi-racial!!! And have you forgotten....I am part Jewish!! Yet, you say we hate the Jews. I guess Abiyah and I both hate ourselves....lolololol

You detractors are too funny!!! Thanks for making me laugh this morning....lolololol!!!

godchild said:
No one is any different from another; no hybrids as am says, no mamzers as am says, no half black-half white as am may say, no half-Jew half Greek; all the same in God's eyes, all judged the same, and all receiving eternal life who believe in HIM.

No kidding!!! That's why we keep saying God created ALL the RACES and said IT IS VERY GOOD. And at least we don't use the term "striped"!!</font>

[laurenfox]

Whatever! I was waiting for a comment like that. You don't want to listen to the truth I speak because I agree with franklin. You just find it hard to believe that others see the reality here? Many do.

Do you agree with what I just wrote or not?

And if not why not?

Are you just going along with bluewater's bullying here because the moderator and bluewater allow you here to further your own agenda?

Or do you have a conscience that speaks to you like the consciences of many others do that this is not right? This is rigged with a heavy bias.

Is factnet here for cult awareness or is it just for whatever bluewater wants it to be for which is his atheist agenda?

Atheists have a right to speak as well as anyone but like the Shep Chaplers, bluewater likes to have all the control over who speaks and who doesn't. If you can't shout them down then ban them.

This is bluewater's church and he's packing his own 9mm known as moderation control.

Factnet has really gone down hill bad and it is because of bluewater's control over this non public forum. Atheists never have been for freedom of speech or religion. Only theirs.

And until the owner of factnet wakes up to what a superficial pretentious farce this is, factnet will continue to be a cosmic joke on the internet.

Don't deceive yourself fatherofaking, if this autocratic trend continues you'll soon won't be able to further your agenda because ultimately it conflicts with bluewater's. You are antichristian too but bluewater's is antiGod period! Your usefullness will soon expire.

What has this got to do with Shepherd's Chapel? Because the only reason the Shep Chaplers are able to troll and flame everyone unchecked is because bluewater allows it. He likes it. It furthers his atheist agenda. It's that simple.

Wake up! Factnet is rigged. Has nothing to do with cult awareness. This is bluewater's show and everyone else be damned!

[laurenfox]

Whatever! I was waiting for a comment like that. You don't want to listen to the truth I speak because I agree with franklin. You just find it hard to believe that others see the reality here? Many do.

Do you agree with what I just wrote or not?

And if not why not?

Are you just going along with bluewater's bullying here because the moderator and bluewater allow you here to further your own agenda?

Or do you have a conscience that speaks to you like the consciences of many others do that this is not right? This is rigged with a heavy bias.

Is factnet here for cult awareness or is it just for whatever bluewater wants it to be for which is his atheist agenda?

Atheists have a right to speak as well as anyone but like the Shep Chaplers, bluewater likes to have all the control over who speaks and who doesn't. If you can't shout them down then ban them.

This is bluewater's church and he's packing his own 9mm known as moderation control.

Factnet has really gone down hill bad and it is because of bluewater's control over this non public forum. Atheists never have been for freedom of speech or religion. Only theirs.

And until the owner of factnet wakes up to what a superficial pretentious farce this is, factnet will continue to be a cosmic joke on the internet.

Don't deceive yourself fatherofaking, if this autocratic trend continues you'll soon won't be able to further your agenda because ultimately it conflicts with bluewater's. You are antichristian too but bluewater's is antiGod period! Your usefullness will soon expire.

What has this got to do with Shepherd's Chapel? Because the only reason the Shep Chaplers are able to troll and flame everyone unchecked is because bluewater allows it. He likes it. It furthers his atheist agenda. It's that simple.

Wake up! Factnet is rigged. Has nothing to do with cult awareness. This is bluewater's show and everyone else be damned!

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">FOF, I agree with you... Laurenfox is Franklin</font>

[watchman_2]

laurenfox,

The same 'freedom of speech' that, in part, makes the U.S. a great nation, allows bluewater to present his point of view in the arena of ideas.

Though bluewater is routinely wrong and is an enemy of Christianity, I respect bluewater's right to present the case for atheism. Those that view these threads, which are in doubt as to whether Christianity or atheism is the way to go, will see the vanity of bluewater and the atheist position.

It is that same 'freedom of speech' that provides you the opportunity to come to these threads and also make false claims that Arnold Murray is racist -- a claim bordering on libel, since you have no proof.

So, unless you are going to abide by completely ethical standards of conduct, you are ill-positioned to offer any credible commentary as to bluewater's or Factnet moderator's conduct on this forum.

In addition, since you have been reading these threads for some time, you would also be aware of godchild's disgusting and franklin's ridiculous conduct on these SC threads. Yet, you offer no admonishing comments toward having these two dolts banished from Factnet.

Since you love only one point of view to be presented at a debate forum, you should stay at your cultblunderers' home and not venture into the arena of ideas. At least at cultblunders, they banish many that bring you a message -- even those that bring the message of the truth of the Word of God.

[arron]

3 earth age, serpert seed docctrine and kenites doctrine are all false. adam and eve were the only hmans on earth and of them were born all race and everyone else. there were only eight people on the ark that was noah his wife his tree sons and their wives, if there were any childre of cain they died out in the flood of noah,