Cultblunderbs Shepherdbs Chapel Thread

[rachelengland]

terluvire you are doing it again...the same things you do on figtree-making accusations you have no proof of....makes you no better than those CB folks you called paranoid a few days back..

Blue and fatherofaking what is going here????? Why would you guys be stirring the pot like that-why come into so called christian threads you have no interest in and take sides and accuse someone of being another just to irritate someone? I have so much respect for you guys and I hope that what i am reading isn't true. Your Friend R

[laurenfox]

Naturally watchman, bluewater is your hero, atheist that he is, because he allows your attack dog smyrna to run amuk over and above the rules of conduct for factnet members. He has become bulletproof just like bluewater in this pretense of a public forum.

Atheists and racists, what an ungodly alliance.

As to the racism charge I concur with a factnet member, yaakov, who has studied SC doctrines and has determined that they are racist indeed. As well as the ADL's own website that declares that the serpent seed doctrine and the 6th day mud peoples concocted skewed view of scripture is racist. Nothing libelous there. Just the truth easily defendable in court.

I have read most of franklin's and godchild's posts here and I find nothing libelous or ridiculous. Just the truth that you need to hear.

Au contrare mon pere, I like for all points of view presented on a public forum. That is where truth is derived from. The Holy Spirit always shines through.

But if you are not willing to admit that bluewater is controlling this board all in his agenda's favor then you are blind sir.

You had your opportunity to bring the message of your truth of the word of God to the pages of Cultbusters Mr. Watchman and you ran away when a one on one debate forum was set up for you. I witnessed that myself. Everyone did.

So let's not hear any dissing of Cultbusters from you.

I am sure when a legitimate SCer comes there and is totally honest about what they believe and discuss it civily then they will be allowed to stay. No problem. Cultbusters already has quite a few members who are SC students. They are free to post whenever they like.

But the real point here is that there will no freedom of speech here on factnet as long as bluewater is in charge.

[godchild]

watchman's leader doesn't agree with him. During am's "sermon" this morning, he said everyone has their rights, and he would defend those rights. He also said "but, when it comes to Christianity, if you speak against it, you are my enemy, and I will fight you, and pray against you."

While I don't agree, because the bible tells us to "pray for those who spitefully abuse you", watchman isn't following the teachings of am/sc. He shouldn't be here defending what he doesn't believe in; am/sc. He was banned from the am/sc "unaffiliated" discussion board for just this kind of thing. Just remember this when you speak with him. You can put him in the same category as the atheists.

In fact, if you read what he wrote in the other thread today, you'll see he believes he doesn't have free will anyway, because his fate was decided before he was born. He is a robot; preprogrammed, and therefore not requiring a soul, apparently, so Christ's sacrifice means nothing to him. This is the guy who claims he is going to be teaching folks like the atheists here during the millenium, so they better listen to him, for sure. He thinks he's "elect". If am calls on him to fight you who are against Christianity, should you be afraid? I guess not, since he doesn't follow am's teachings anyway. Or he can't make up his mind. Whatever he believes, he isn't getting it from the Holy Bible, so he makes a great atheist. In his mind, if you don't blush, he'll be your teacher.

[watchman_2]

laurenfox,

You know what -- your opinion is quite useless as you have no facts or proof to back up your position. It is quite alright with me that you characterize the word of God as "racist". That means there will be more blessings for the rest of us.

So, continue on with the cultblunderers' argument points -- you only hurt yourself. Zarquan's post at your beloved cult, cultbusters, was dispositive of the issue as far as those that claim to be Jews are concerned. The racist gig, that you space-nut-cult-fantasy fools love to play, has never been valid.

BTW, like franklin and godchild, most everyone here knows that bluewater is completely irrelevant. So, bluewater can only effect these threads to the extent that people entertain him. You see little SCer response to his posts here that lead him on further.

In your little Nazi/Communist way of thinking [like your beloved cultblunders], quashing other opinions is appropriate. So, cultblunders is the place for you. This forum exposes your fundamental intellectual and theological fallacies/weaknesses -- just like your fellow cultblundering friends.

Have a nice trip!

[bluewater2]

Laurenfox, I do not appreciate your attempts to link me to the administration of factnet. Please stop doing this. First, it has nothing to do with the topic, and second, it further erodes any integrity that you might hope to have here.

And Watchman, I have never come over here to beat up on SC doctrine. True, I do have difficulties with christianity and all of the major religions, but I respect people who behave respectfully, as you and most of the SC'rs tend to. Call me irrellevant if you want. I have no problem being irrellevent on the SC'r threads.

[david_munson]

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I would think that no ones opinion is useless because it is opinions that can get people to think.

Something that should be done more often.
Unless thinking is not on any ones agenda that is.

Deriding others only removes integrity from your own position.No matter who you are.

A person that has a heart after God would be quite a bit reluctant to deride others since they would understand that they are no better than other people.

Those who reveal that they think they are only delude themselves.

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.

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[david_munson]

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I should have added that we are to have our feet shod along with all the armor.

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace.

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[david_munson]

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I wonder how many people Jesus wishes a "nice trip" to hell for?

Any one care to answer that question?
I already know the answer.

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[stage_director]

Exactly, David ... Isn't that the devil's desire for us all?

[jimito]

What happened to laurenfox? I thought she was making some very good points.

[bluewater2]

Maybe it was because she realized that she was posting off topic or improperly creating some link between myself and the people who run this board. I complained to the moderator here about it to remove the posts, but I can see he has not. Maybe "she", (Franklin), got banned. Jimito, I would be glad to discuss this with you further if you create another thread more appropriate to the topic to do so. Not here.

Maybe in the atheist topic.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Thanks.

[rachelengland]

What the Heck!!!!! Listen...I DO NOT want people pointing their fingers at me calling me jimito again....keep it clean around here and keep me out of it!

And yes take this foolishness elsewhere!

[jimito]

No I was just wondering why the libelous smyrna hasn't been banned from factnet? Why has the obscene dodge not been banned from factnet? All franklin ever did was disagree with you, bluewater, and he got banned after his last post on the "What happened to Jesus" thread. Seems to be the pattern that anyone you do not like gets banned from factnet. And what is the big deal about whether or not you have a link to the people who run this board? If you do have a link then why would you want to hide it? It is obvious that smyrna and dodge have a link to the the factnet admin. because they are still posting here. Lots of unanswered questions. Makes us all wonder....

[bluewater2]

Name all of the people who have been banned because I do not like them. Franklin, (you), have disagreed with me for along time and never been banned. Maybe there is something involved here that you and I do not know about. You will have to ask the FactNet administrator directly why Franklin was banned.

BTW, I have not seen smyrna in almost a week, and dodge in a longer time than that.

I will not respond to you again on this thread, jimito, or whoever you are.

Please start a new thread so we can discuss this out in the open and not bother these nice SC people.

[jimito]

Nice SC people? hahahahahaha!

stalkers, liars, hackers, racists, heretics, slanderers all!

dodge posted on freemasons last week.

smyrna's supposed to be in Florida hunting manatees, but he last posted a few days ago, so the obscene bad and the slandering ugly are still here.

Why can't I post here? You came here to stir the pot among us Christians.

This topic title is about Cultblunders and SC students. I think I'm on topic here. Thanks.

[stage_director]

A Catholic Priest and a Rabbi were chatting one day when the conversation turned to a discussion of job descriptions and promotion. "What do you have to look forward to in way of a promotion in your job?" asked the Rabbi.

"Well, I'm next in line for the Monsignor's job." replied the Priest.

"Yes, and then what?" asked the Rabbi.

"Well, next I can become an Arch-Bishop." said the Priest.

"Yes, and then?" asked the Rabbi.

"If I work real hard and do a good job as Arch-Bishop, it's possible for me to become a full Bishop." said the Priest.

"O.K., then what?" asked the Rabbi.

The Priest, beginning to feel a bit exasperated replied, "With some luck and real hard work, maybe I can become a Cardinal."

"And then?" asked the Rabbi.

The Priest is really starting to get annoyed now and replies, "With lots and lots of luck and some real difficult work and if I'm in the right places at the right times and play my political cards just right, maybe, just maybe, I can become Pope."

"Yes, and then what?" asked the Rabbi.

"Good grief!" shouted the Priest. "What do you expect me to become next - GOD?!"

"Well," the Rabbi replied calmly, "One of our boys did."

[rachelengland]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gifGet back on topic you nutty director...

[sharon]

jimito...Lauren Fox was banned from factnet... sorry..to many good points I guess,. not really sure how that works.

smyrna's supposed to be in Florida hunting manatees?? what hunting, its just called Killing. Does the manatee have a gun? No then he is just killing them. People are so strange.. the need to kill things to make themselves feel like what, brave, strong, a hero. Wonder why? Never understood the whole killing for fun thing, not really a thing Jesus would do, bloody his hands in senseless death. But then some are not following him I guess.
SD..thanks for the chuckle.

[stage_director]

Wait a minute ... aren't Manatees a protected species? Their population is being decimated by recreational boats on Florida waterways. Why on earth would anybody want to deliberately kill those gentle creatures?

[rachelengland]

Oh Smyrna...ya had that cominghttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[david_munson]

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I guess it's time I weigh in on this Flaming issue.

Why do some get to be wickedly vicious and not get banned while others get banned for almost nothing.(Lauren Fox for example)

Agenda's plain and simple.
I have seen people like Watchman and Smyrna both get away with the very things that others are banned for "and much worse" and it is not just nor is it in compliance with the stated purposes of Factnet.

Both routinely administer brash ,vulgar and unacceptable attitudes towards others.

There is a very troubling imbalance in place here that any objective observer could spot with their eyes closed.
It is called "favoritism".

Now if I get banned for stating what I believe is true then the hand will be shown for what it is and truth will prevail as it always does.

Either the mod here treats all the same by banning the outrageous behaviour of ""all parties"" or they show favoritism by allowing only a select few to engage in the very things they ban others for.

It is just that simple and it is "inexcusable".


Now, if I am banned for my views so be it but know this,nothing I have said is a TOS violation.

Your ball who ever you are.

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<font color="ff0000">I WOULD NEVER CONSIDER BANNING SOMEONE FOR THEIR OPINION. I DO BAN PEOPLE FOR INTERJECTING WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY UNCALLED FOR AND OFF TOPIC POSTS. I MUST ADMIT, THOUGH, THAT MAYBE NOT ENOUGH. IF YOU SAW THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE TO WADE THROUGH ON A DAILY BASIS ABOUT CERTAIN POSTERS, AND SEE WHERE THESE COMPLAINTS COME FROM, YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME PATTERNS I DO. I TRY TO BE VERY FAIR AND MORE PEOPLE GET BANNED THAN YOU REALIZE. OFTEN TIMES I ONLY BAN SOMEONE FOR A WEEK OR TWO TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS ON TRACK. I REALLY DO MY BEST TO BE FAIR. YOU ALL SEE WHO IS WHO AND WHO DOES WHAT, WHO CONTRIBUTES, WHO DOES NOT. SOMETIMES THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN A DIFFERNCE IN OPINION AND HATE BASED ATTACK. I DO MUST BEST TO DISCERNE BETWEEN THE TWO. DAVID, I HAVE ALWAYS SEEN YOU TO BE RESPECTFUL. I AM NOT GEORGE BUSH. JUST BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE THE WAY THIS BOARD IS HANDLED YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED. CARRY ON.</font>

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[rachelengland]

Well sir I can stand before my God in good faith and know that I am not Jimito! You are obviously smyrna who the admin wrote me today in an email was banned. I promised on this board I would never pick up the name of another character and I have been faithful in that.

I also do not play laurenfoxx or Rhondastarr. Enough of that lying..Go to bed Smyrna

[rachelengland]

Well my hope is that you are a wonderful person inside who hasn't succumbed to the tactics so many have here. Which was a big eye opener to me as I chose my "spiritual" path...

My God is the same God who created this world and left us to use the logic on how to behave-took me about 30 years to figure that out..

Now I will let you continue to bring more attention to me here if you like...At least I know your thinking about mehttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif-I'll move on to other topics-SC has become a bit of bore to me..

Best,
R

(Message edited by rachelengland on September 25, 2007)

[godchild]

smell, You are flaming members here, and that is not allowed.

[stage_director]

Your ip has gone from New Orleans to Chicago to Spain. Whoever you are ... you're up to no good.

[arron]

i have an adopted bi racial grandson who is the pride of my life he is handicapped. he doesnt talk much but makes sign lanquage, he love the church and sign to go all the time even when we are not having church. he is 8 years old and has the mental capacity of a four or five year old. he has come a long way in his sickness and i better never hear any one say anything about him either. he is well loved by our entire church and certianly has salvation abiding in him he is alway lifting his hands and praiseing THE LORD, he knows who JESUS is and that HE touches people and he is always praying for someone at church. he is not a child of cain as all of them died out in the flood regardless of what am or dm teaches.

[arron]

and i forgot to mention that he is half white and half black. his boilogiacal parent were a white woman and a black man neither of them wanted him but my daughter and her husband and me too of course did, they cant ever have anything to do with him period as it should be.

[arron]

he is NOT a hybred either

[stage_director]

"Flaming is the act of posting or sending offensive messages over the Internet. These messages, called "flames," may be posted within online discussion forums or newsgroups, or sent via e-mail or instant messaging programs. The most common area where flaming takes place is online discussion forums, which are also called bulletin boards.

Flaming often leads to the trading of insults between members within a certain forum. This is an unfortunate result, as it often throws the discussion of a legitimate topic well off track. For example, the topic of a discussion forum may be "Choosing a Mac or a PC." Some Mac user may post a message gloating about the benefits of a Mac, which in turn prompts a response from a PC user explaining why Macs suck and why Windows is obviously the better platform. The Mac user may then post a reply saying that Mac users are, in fact, a more intelligent species who are not as naive as PC users. This kindles a more personal attack from the PC user, which incites an all out flame war.

These flame wars, also called "pie fights," are not limited to only two people at a time, but may involve multiple users. This causes a swell of negatively within online discussion groups and results in little, if any, productively. Flaming is unfortunately one of the most common breaches of online netiquette. Instead of being considerate of others' viewpoints, "flamers" force their own agendas on other users.

While some flaming is intentional, some is not. This is because users may misunderstand the intent of a another user's message or forum posting. For example, someone may make a sarcastic comment that is not understood as sarcastic by another user, who may take offense to the message. Using emoticons and clearly explaining one's intent can help avoid online misunderstandings. Because of the adverse effects of flaming, it is best to err on the side of humility and be courteous when posting or sending messages online."

- http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/definition.php?flaming

[stage_director]

He sounds like a darling, Arron. Some children just light up the world. :-)

[sharon]

What a blessing Arron.. and it makes one feel good to know such people as your daughter and her husband are out there doing the Lords work. And you also. You raised them well in the way of the Lord. Loving others, and following Christ.

[david_munson]

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Admin,
thank you for your responce.
I think that it was what folks needed to see and hear from you.

Again thank you for responding as you did.

May you be well and enjoy the days adventures.

Dave
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[smyrna]

"Seems to me like the scers want to have war with anyone who disagrees with them-they look at someone like me as an enemy of God and one who should be battled, that message comes across very clear..."

The above came from a post at Cultbusters, on the SC Right or Wrong thread.

Funny, but how many of us have been made subjects of the CBer's war on the Star Date One, the above thread, and others at CB,simply because they "disagree with us and see us as an enemy of God?"

This is why it is futile to engage these types, because they will go on and on accusing us of the very same things they do all the time, but refuse to admit it.

It must be remembered that Chapel critics started
this "war" and by using some very deceptive methods I may add, and all of us came here on the defensive, not the offensive.

Well, they got their war, and if they think they have won, I say let 'em. So far, the SC is still on TV, is still growing, and everyone has the right to believe what they wish, it's their problem if they want to try and infringe on that right.

It's their burden of proof to show us they are making any headway into their mission to destroy the SC.

They have failed, and if you do a search on the SC, just about all you'll see is old outdated websites, with the same old comical claims, they are lies, there is so much chicanery it's laughable anyone even reads that stuff and believes it.

It doesn't seem many do. I'm still waiting for the ADL to reply to the CBers. LOL!

[david_munson]

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Well to be fair Smyrna,
you can't broad brush like that and have much accuracy.

I personally do not consider any one my enemy but Satan himself.
I might consider them adversarial but not truly an enemy.

As for what you call a war ,I think that may not be the best description of what's going on.
It might fit what some are doing but not what all are doing.
(Have to have a balance in order to be fair and truthful you know.)

As a member of CB I can tell you that all members do not subscribe to the same exact beliefs as all other members do.
(I don't see that as a problem)

You know yourself that there are also some atheists that are members of the CB site and they get along with us believers quite well even though there are many things that are not agreed upon as well.

Just to be fair.

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[smyrna]

"As a member of CB I can tell you that all members do not subscribe to the same exact beliefs as all other members do.
(I don't see that as a problem)"

I agree that it would not be a problem, IF your description would be experienced by all rather than by a chosen few, which is the demonstrated selective process used by Cultbuster members and the moderators in particular.

I'm not talking about just SC student's experiences there.

I don't think the FN moderator here would mind me mentioning that even he is no longer allowed at Cultbusters, and the reason he gave me was "I asked too many questions."

Let's look at an example of what I'm talking about.

Unless you are an established member, that is, accepted into the CB clique,(which amounts to about four or five people, some with expanded exposure due to operating under different handles, as far as the SC and Star Date One threads go) any disagreement with them will be met with suspicion, accusations, and malice in general.

May I refer to pages 33 and 34 of the Shepherd's Chapel Right or Wrong thread and how Mike T. was treated. Like I said: malice, accusations, and suspicion.

Also may I refer to "Zarquan" who, when he was trying to air his own views, was subtly accused by the moderator there of "flaming and trolling" but not so subtle was the 'wink' symbol left at the end of the moderator's post, which anyone would interpret as "if you keep it up, I'll openly accuse you of flaming and trolling, and that will give me the reason to delete your posts, edit them, or ban you."

So, to close Dave, CB's SC thread is not as open as you insiuate to those who disagree with the status quo there, and that goes as much for non-SC students as well as students.

[godchild]

quote: I don't think the FN moderator here would mind me mentioning that even he is no longer allowed at Cultbusters, and the reason he gave me was "I asked too many questions."

I am unsure of who smyrna is speaking of. Unless he was told he asked too many questions, I think smyrna would have to admit this is that person's opinion as to why he was "not allowed at cultbusters." Before he or anyone else states that as fact, he would have to show proof of it, example: a letter he received from cultbusters admin or moderator who told him he would no longer be "allowed to post".

I, as a cultbuster member, would certainly be interested in seeing evidence showing cultbusters.com.au bans people for "asking too many questions". I don't think that would be a valid reason, nor do I believe the admin there would approve of banning someone for that reason. If anyone who has been banned would like to share that kind of "evidence" I will promise to take it up with admin there.

If the moderator accused Zarquan of flaming and trolling in a post at cultbusters.com.au, a "wink" would not be a "veiled threat", since "the accusation" was posted for everyone to see. The moderator, no doubt, believes zarquan and others who post there is the same person who comes there to "flame and troll" using different names. In that case, I would have to agree with him that it is "flaming and trolling".

[smyrna]

I'll be satisfied with accepting the FN moderator's explanation. I don't need to demand he prove it. I'll take his word for it. I have never known him to lie to me about anything.

The CB moderator can work on his suspicions if he wishes, but then the same standards that Godchild wishes to impose upon the FN moderator does not apparently apply to the CB moderator according to her, as she allows him to work on his suspicions and assumptions as if they are proven facts, which they are not.

So the bottom line is that if she insists that the FN moderator produce some documentation to support his explanation, then she must also insist that the CB moderator also produce documentation to support his accusations.

Looks like there is a double standard at work here, which is not surprising.

[godchild]

You can't say I didn't try. Surely smyrna doesn't expect me to go to the admin at cultbusters and make a complaint because of something smyrna has posted here, which is nothing but hearsay (without proof), and only the opinion of the mod here as to why he not allowed to post at cultbusters without it (which I don't trust smyrna's word anyway for very good reasons), in hopes that a change would be made.

I don't think smyrna wants to have the matter settled at all, but only posted what he did to cast more aspersions on cultbusters. He has motive; he was also banned there. In fact, several of the scers have been banned there, but I don't believe any of them gave proof of the reason/reasons they were given by cultbusters. This sounds like nothing more than "sour grapes".

However, my offer still stands.

As for this: "Unless you are an established member, that is, accepted into the CB clique,(which amounts to about four or five people, some with expanded exposure due to operating under different handles, as far as the SC and Star Date One threads go) any disagreement with them will be met with suspicion, accusations, and malice in general." I know that is a flat out lie. I post on the sc threads there, do not post under different handles, and I do not treat others with suspicion, malice or accusations.I am not a part of any clique there.

The mods here or there do not have to give us proof or reasons that someone has been "flaming and trolling". Do they? We don't own either site. The owners have appointed them for reasons of their own.

[stage_director]

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This is why it is futile to engage these types, because they will go on and on accusing us of the very same things they do all the time, but refuse to admit it.
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Well, if it's futile then why do you keep beating your head on a wall? On the contrary, it's apparent you can't NOT engage us. Which is your choice, of course, but why do you then keep complaining about how pointless it is?

[smyrna]

Why would one even try to engage in the absurd? It's not a matter of ability, as I have clearly engaged with detractors for well over five years.

In that time, the SC has grown, there has been no successful attempt to get any media or national organization to listen to the detractors claims, and these facts are conveniently ignored or weak excuses are given for the failures of the detractors.

Yes, it is futile to continue to show that you have failed, because you will never admit it, even when faced with the obvious.

You movement has not grown, it only collects people who also can't prove the SC is all you say it is.

In case you didn't notice, my most recent posts are primarily focused upon all those failures, and I am merely pointing out why you have failed by giving examples of your attempts to use the same arguments over and over, and how they are failing you.

If you were not failing, the Chapel would have been shut down, Murray would be in jail, and thousands of Chapel students would be searching their phone books for a new Church or watching TBN.

You can't show us one victory that has resulted in
any media attention, attention from the ADL, or anyone outside of the Internet.

In contrast, our efforts have stifled and silenced many critics, just because you continue does not mean you are being effective, only persistent.

Finally, just because Godchild may not post under different handles at CB doesn't mean everyone else is innocent. As for malice, she couldn't even help but criticize an Avatar of Mike T. and avatar provided by the program at CB! And that is just the tip of the iceberg!

Readers, like I said, read pages 32-33 for starters on the SC thread at CB, and you can form your own opinion as to whether Godchild was malicious, suspicious, or accusatory towards not only Mike T. but Zarquan and a host of other non-regular posters there, because they did not agree with her or her clique.

But the subject is really about how they speak of Chapel teachings and students there. They formed their own thread so they can accuse and fabricate rumors and the like, and not have to worry about FactNet moderators or us.

If she is so interested in getting more details as to why the moderator here was not allowed on CB any longer, she can certainly ask him.

My point is that she will not impose that same standard on the CB moderator, who does have a unique and self serving way of judging what is rude, trolling or flaming.

I forgot to mention that even though Godchild claimed that Zarquan was probably an SCer,(via of the CB mod's accusation) it was he who actually claimed to have written the ADL and got no response!

That could not have been a setup, because it would be easy to have anyone at CB write the ADL, but now they are more afraid to do so than ever, since Zarquan is probably not bluffing.

If you do not agree, then by all means try!

Godchild claims she is not part of any clique there, she is entitled to that opinion.

[david_munson]

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Smyrna:"You can't show us one victory that has resulted in
any media attention, attention from the ADL, or ""anyone outside of the Internet.""

I can and I have previously.
A man named John asked me about serpent seed and when I showed him what was posted by Sc'ers (Smyrna and Watchman included) he laughed and said he was done listening to Arnold because in his opinion Arnold was seriously in error.

He said that he couldn't understand how any one could come up with some of the stuff that is taught if they where reading what the scriptures said.

Now then,
you where saying?

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[smyrna]

Dave ,I was saying just what I said before:

""You can't show us one victory that has resulted in any media attention, attention from the ADL, or ""anyone outside of the Internet.""

Can you show me where you or anyone else has garnered any attention from the ADL, any media outlet, due to your allegations against the SC?

That is what I meant by anyone. it was a figure of speech I thought would be connected with my earlier sentence about those entities. I meant any group, not some person that you know. That is what I said, and until you show me otherwise, you and any of the other detractors coming from Cultbusters have failed.

If you want to play the one person game, I can also say that I showed a guy from work the CB site, and he watches the SC with me at work, and he said he couldn't figure out where CBers get the stuff about SC hating Jews, and being "nazis."

He also got a kick out of the Star Date One stuff, especially the planet "Yarrum" references, but I can't say anymore since it would be interpreted as a personal attack.

My wife and daughter got the biggest kick out of the Sky Is Falling thread, because they could not believe grown men and women would write that stuff to each other. And that is the truth.

Back to my earlier comments, to clarify further,what I am referring to are charges of anti-semitism, racism, financial abuse of Church funds (in this case only Stage Director alleged that)and other claims that remain unproven and undocumented.

Why this is important is because anyone can say anything about anyone on the web, but it is more difficult to float allegations that would attract the media or serious organizations, because of liability issues.

So until the Cultbusters can get some group or media outlet to listen to them and believe them, we can just chalk all their allegations off as not having any merit, due to lack of evidence. Thus they have failed.

Theological differences are one thing. But making other false allegations without documentation, especially serious ones such as anti-semitism, need to be proven with evidence worthy of acceptance by such entities as the ADL, who still have not addressed the Chapel directly, even after claims of Stage Director and Zarquan's written letters or emails to the ADL.

[godchild]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif smyrna, who has no respect for the ADL or any other similar group, thinks we have to have confirmation from them to know or prove am/sc is rascist. That is too funny!

[godchild]

The first time I saw where am/sc teaches Cain was the literal son of the devil, I knew you all were rascist.

[smyrna]

No the reasons I gave are why YOU need confirmation from a media outlet, or the ADL or a similar organization.

Because without it, and with the testimony of both Zarquan and Stage Director, both which the ADL ignored, show that they don't take the allegations seriously, and neither do we.

And you're right about one thing:

We really don't need them to ignore you to show what we already know:

The SC is not an anti-semitic group, nor is it racist, and neither are the students.

Nobody of note takes you seriously, you have failed, the SC is alive and well, growing, and you are at a loss as to what to do about it.

I have a great respect for the ADL, especially after they ignored Cultbuster's letters!

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

By the way, because you have ignored my post above, I'll take it as you have no answer to it. Doesn't look good for the CB camp again.

[watchman_2]

Well said Smyrna!

Those, like RLS, that think a preacher is to be judged by appearance will easily be duped by Satan.

<font color="0000ff">Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
</font>
Satan has it all for those like RLS.

<font color="0000ff">Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
</font>
Satan's religion is full of pomp.

So, RLS should really enjoy Satan and his religion.

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">Smyrna and Watchman, Very good posts!!

It seems many base their decisions on the truth of God's word by superficial means instead of what is actually being said. It's very sad.

Satan will have a field day with many. They'll buy into his wonderful words and appearance, because that means more to many than what God's actual Word states.</font>

[smyrna]

Thanks Ter,

And good to see you back here. I know you
have been busy, but things are cool over here. The Cultbusters have been... well, you know, and so does Watchman.

[smyrna]

"....they (SCers) are fighting imaginative battles and they do nothing to better the human race..their losers in life and thats just the SCers in a nutshell..R

"Imaginative battles?" Sounds like Star Date One to me, "Dr". RLS

I don't see that the Cultbusters have done anything to better the human race. I don't see one Cult that has been "busted" by these people. If anything all I've seen is the formation of an anti-cult cult, that has all the earmarks of just the groups they claim to be busting.

"...their losers in life and thats just the SCers in a nutshell..R"

Sounds pretty judgmental to me, especially since this woman doesn't know any of our real names, or what we have done in life, and the only busting that has been seen in these forums has been done against the Cultbusters themselves.

Heck,they've even had to bust their own thread, after the FactNet moderator went over there to confront them about their "reckless comments" and:

"For those of you, (and we all know who you are), that are no longer welcome, the fact of the matter is that you are not welcome because of the LACK of content in your posts, and the OVERWHELMING inability to stay on topic and flame the board."

And that typifies the Cultbuster's modus, even to the point of calling FactNet itself a Cult:

"Yes, factnet has become a cult in itself..." Rhonda Starr, aka RLS

Shameless examples of failure to account for their own actions, the Cultbusters SC thread, and the deleted thread that was filled with allegations aimed at the administration of FactNet,shows the Cultbusters as a group have been the big losers here.

As for Fred Phelps, I wonder if "Dr". RLS is aware that Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP for his work on behalf of black clients.

Phelps is a very polarizing figure, and he does have some unusual views to say the least, but unless one is a racist, I would have to agree with his stance on civil rights for African-Americans.

I also agree that homosexuality is an abomination before God, but I don't agree that
"God hates f*gs " which is the actual URL of the Church Phelps leads.

I would say God hates the sin, but not the sinner.

[dodge]

ABOMINATION: "extreme disgust and hatred: Loathing. (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

Anything greatly disliked or abhorred. Intense aversion or loathing. A vile, shameful, or destestable action.

What else besides homosexuality is an abomination in the Bible?

Lev. 7:18 says that it is an abomination for sacrificial flesh to be eaten on the third day.

Lev. 11:10 says that any sea animal that doesn't have fins and scales should not be eaten, because they are an abomination. So, if you eat shellfish, you are guilty of an abomination. Anybody here eat clams, shrimp and lobster? ABOMINATION!

Lev. 11:13 says that it is an abomination to eat eagles, ossifrage and ospray. Anybody here eat an eagle lately?

Lev. 11:20 says that all fowls that creep, going upon all four, are an abomination. Four-legged fowls?

Lev. 11:41 says that every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth is an abomination and you can't eat them. Snakes? I've never eaten a snake. Anybody here guilty of that abomination?

In 6:10 it says that a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, devising wicked imaginations, feet that are swift in running to mischief, lies, those that sow discord are all abominations. Well, I must admit to at least a couple of these abominations.

Other things that the Bible says are abominations: idolatry, offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice, traffic with demons, cross-dressing, cheating, adultery, violence, breaking vows and lending with interest (Ezek. 18:6-13). So, it seems that any institution that loans money with interest is guilty of an abominable act. I better inform my credit union.

Whe here is guilty of abomination? Any transvestites here?

[smyrna]

Dodge tries to place on one level, based upon a modern dictionary definition of abomination, without regard to the Biblical context of the term, everything that is not pleasing to the Lord.

What he does not recognize, is that in Biblical studies, there are known to scholars differences in obligations that were followed by the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews, and that is, there were statutes, laws, and ordinances, though all came under the description of "abominations" they were so due to varying degrees and reasons.

Because of Dodge's apparent lack of knowledge in this area of study, he has disqualified himself from commenting further, though he may attempt to do so. Sadly, it will only be a further exhibition of his ignorance.

[dodge]

After going through seventeen chapters listing what abominations you shall not commit, including sex between men, Lev. 18:26 tells us that you shall not commit ANY of the abominations listed previously, which include eating shellfish, lending money with interest, and cross-dressing. What right do you have to pick and chose? An abomination is an abomination. If you are against homosexuality because in Leviticus it says that it is an abomination, you MUST also be against eating shellfish, lending money with interest, cross-dressing, getting intimate with a woman during her period, reading tarot cards, glancing at your horoscope, trimming your beard, getting a tattoo, acting unjustly, eating rare steak and wearing blanded fabrics...because they are all listed as ABOMINATIONS!

[smyrna]

Who the heck said anything about pick and choose?
My point is that you fail to differentiate between Biblical statutes, laws and ordinances.

For instance, eating shellfish was prohibited, and the reasons are still being debated today by theologians.

Could be practicality, such as the rapid deterioration of the flesh of shellfish, the propensity to carry toxins that many people are very allergic to, in other words they were health guidelines

Some were civil admonitions, like usury. Others were associated with cultural and religious taboos,which are still followed by Orthodox Jews today, but by few others, as the Advent of Christ brought about the dissolution of many religious ordinances,at least by those who accepted Christ as the ultimate sacrifice to YHVH.

It matters not,(your failure to differentiate between the three obligation types) because the main topic, until you digressed from it, was RLS's irresponsible and accusatory posts from the SC thread at Cultbusters.

This thread was initiated to discuss that rumor mill the CBers decided to create as a place they can indulge in one of their favorite passions, i.e. rumor mongering and gossip about the SC and its Pastor and students, without any fear of intervention or confrontation by those who have the ability to prove they are doing just that.

Some of the things that are said there, and they know it, are so silly and outrageous, they won't dare come here and say them.

But that's okay, because this thread is a response to those who do not have the courage to bring that stuff in here, or, in some cases, aren't even allowed to post here due to their "reckless" comments.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
For instance, eating shellfish was prohibited, and the reasons are still being debated today by theologians -and- Could be practicality.
END QUOTE

Shellfish are scavengers as well as a species that easily retains toxins. Most shellfish feed on waste. Unclean foods are animals, fish and fowl that consume other living creatures or waste materials. It was never an empty ritual to be observed, some custom to set the Hebrews apart ... it was a matter of health and hygiene. The food laws are also warnings.

[smyrna]

Gee, thanks for the news flash. What a fountain of knowledge.

"Shellfish are scavengers as well as a species that easily retains toxins."

No kidding? I guess you missed my comment in the post above:

"...the propensity to carry toxins that many people are very allergic to..."

SD: "It was never an empty ritual to be observed, some custom to set the Hebrews apart ... it was a matter of health and hygiene."

Compare to my comment: "...in other words they were health guidelines"

It has been said that imitation is the highest form of flattery, so thanks SD!

Now, back to the MAIN point of this thread,most recently it's been RLS in the midst of some intellectual meltdown, contradicting herself on a scale that makes one suspect she has been further brainwashed by the same unsubstantiated accusations made by her good friends at CB.

And the show goes on......

[stage_director]

QUOTE
imitation is the highest form of flattery
END QUOTE

lol Uhh, yeah. Sure, Smyrna ... Except I believe you were implying it's a matter still up for debate.

QUOTE
her good friends at CB
END QUOTE

You know, sport ... You seem to get angry a lot about the relationships at CB. Is it that you want real friends instead of the superficial acquaintances who put up up with a Catholic Shep Chap'ler because he aids in their campaign against "detractors" ? Just asking because I noticed you steered way clear of the "C" word at Fig Tree before they banned you, and Watchman hasn't touched your references to it with a ten foot pole. Instead of trying to be "class clown" all the time, why don't you calm down a bit and try being a person instead of a hostile force? Seriously ...

[dodge]

Leviticus 20:9 says that if a child curses his mother or father then that child must be killed.
Leviticus 20:10 says that if a man has sex with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:11 says that if a man has sex with his father's wife, both must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13 says that if a man has sex with another man the way he has sex with a woman (anal sex), then they shall "surely be put to death."

If a man has sex with his wife and her mother, all of them must be burnt to death. (Lev. 20:14)

Wizards must be stoned to death. (Lev. 20:27)

It seems, Smyrna, that you are a cafeteria Christian, who picks and chooses what you want to, ignoring the rest. Like most Christians, you use the Bible selectively to justify your own personal bias. What about lesbians? Are there any passages in the Bible that condemns the love between two women? If not, then I guess God likes women who wear sensible shoes, friends of Dorothy.

[smyrna]

"What about lesbians? Are there any passages in the Bible that condemns the love between two women?"

Yes there is, but I'm not going to do your homework for you.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned, you are doing just what I said you would do:

"Because of Dodge's apparent lack of knowledge in this area of study, he has disqualified himself from commenting further, though he may attempt to do so. Sadly, it will only be a further exhibition of his ignorance." (My post 3759 above)

[stage_director]

Here's your passage, Dodge ...

Rom 1:22-27
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

[dodge]

I once made love with two lesbians. Is that an abomination? Should we have all been stoned to death?

[smyrna]

Stage Director,

I am especially perturbed when you lie about me.

I have NOT been banned from the Figtree, here is the proof:

http://theseason.yuku.com/topic/2923

Please note that I have 12 posts logged, I didn't make them all today, so don't try saying I just signed on today to prove I wasn't banned!

And yes, years ago I was on there as Smyrna, but I've already said I use Smyrna here right on Figtree, I know Reine personally since way back in '95, and she would recognize my real name. I've even talked to her on the phone, though that was back in about 1999. I was never banned there as Smyrna, it is something wrong with EZ board that I couldn't get that handle to work.

If you refuse to believe that, I'll post on the same Figtree thread the question directly to Reine if the handle Smyrna was ever banned. That will be no problem.

Secondly, the last place on this planet I would look for "real friends" would be at Cultbusters.

Watchman is entitled to his views about the Catholic Church, and we get along just fine. We don't talk about it because we know we don't agree on the issue. We've known each other for just about five years or so now, and that's all that needs to be said about it.

Finally, I see nothing clownish nor do I agree that I am a "hostile force" just because I continue to challenge your reckless comments, false accusations, and deceptive tactics, as well as those of your CB buddies.

Instead of dodging those challenges, why don't you quit side stepping them and either admit you were fabricating, or get some evidence on the table.

I'm sure you don't know what they are, right?

How about just these three:

Name Pastor Murray's son that you say is a drunk, and give us some way of verifying it. DUI maybe?

No excuses, where is your evidence that Pastor Murray claims he saw the throne of God aboard a highly polished bronze vehicle? Searching for a tape that doesn't exist will not do as evidence.

And three:

Find us three FAA records that show Murray owned five planes. No, don't tell us he "probably" sold them, because you'd have to prove that too.

You got yourself into this predicament, now get yourself out. It's your only option, unless you just want to keep on appearing as a false accuser, rumor fabricator, and a "hostile force".

And when and if you actually face these challenges, I have a few more you never followed up on.

[dodge]

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Now, back to the Bickersons for more exciting exchanges of disrespectful and hate-filled banter such as "Do you speak any language that non-gibbering idiots can understand? Clearly, you spend way too much time in darkened rooms in front of your seven-year-old computer turning a whiter shade of pale. Go outside once in a while and breathe, before your brain starts to rot from all that festering stagnation and cognitive dysfunction." and "When god was handing out personalities, you must have been holding the door. You're so boring, even a boomerang wouldn't come back to you. You are the kind of person who, when one first meets you, one doesn't like you. But when one gets to know you better, one hates you. Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you'd had enough oxygen at birth; if your weren't so fat that all the restaurants in town have signs that say: 'Maximum Occupancy: 80 Patrons OR You.', or if you didn't have a face that makes your pillow cry itself to sleep every night. Nah, of course you would."

Ah, I love to watch these Christians tear each other apart; it's so educational!

[watchman_2]

stage_director,

You wrote:
*****
Just asking because I noticed you steered way clear of the "C" word at Fig Tree before they banned you, and Watchman hasn't touched your references to it with a ten foot pole.
****

I do not comment much about Smyrna's Catholic Church references because 1) I am not, nor have ever been, Catholic; 2) I am not familiar with all the teachings of the Catholic Church; 3) I have not studied the historical context of all the various Catholic scriptural interpretations; 4)these are the Shepherd's Chapel threads; and 5) much of it is none of my business. [Maybe, you should learn from this example and stop posting here -- it is clear that you have no clue scripturally what is true or false.]

It is you that find fault with Smyrna [and probably Angie as well] for their support of SC and membership in their respective churches. I commend both of them for such efforts. It is far more difficult to support multiple churches with conflicting messages at times. This is especially true when there are children involved.

My objection with the Catholic church is based upon the pomp associated with the Pope, as well as traditions of man that make void the Word of Truth. I have this same objection with the pomp and traditions of every church.

Nonetheless, I have gained edification from Smyrna regarding the Catholic church in that many of the issues debated here have also been debated within that Church, eventhough some of the wrong interpretations were accepted by the church heirarchy. I can, at least, appreciate the fact that the Catholic Church is not a bunch of mind-numb robots [scripturally] like many fundamental Protestant denominations.

In fact, there are many fundamentalist fools [you probably are one of them] that claim the RCC is the 'Great Whore Babylon' of Rev. 17 or that the antichrist will be a Pope. I defend the RCC against such nonsense.

[smyrna]

Watchman,

I am comforted that you do not buy the conspiracy zealots that claim that the Pope is the anti-christ.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

You may be surprised to know that I too do not agree 100% with Catholic dogma, but since historically they can and have modified dogma,(which is a necessity, if you really think about it) I'm not overly concerned with the issue.

Finally, on these days when we remember those who fought in defense and freedom for this country the many who have been injured and killed for those causes, we should also remember that the Catholic Church has had many who also have fought, been injured and died to keep itself from falling victim to so many forces that would possibly have destroyed Christianity throughout the centuries.

The Counsels, Crusades,campaigns against heresies, and the many contributions to the world
by Catholic religious orders in nearly all fields of human endeavor are enumerable. None of those actions were performed without mistakes, but that is due to the fallible nature of man, not the infallible nature of God.

Though this is not the place to discuss such things, the point I am really trying to get to is that if it were not for the Catholic Church, it is doubtful Christianity would have survived in such a way as to maintain its place in the world as a moral compass and a true reflection of the Light of God's grace through His Son and His victory over death.

[stage_director]

Arron does not deliberately lie. What we really just saw was Smyrna running to deflect from Arron's valid point by attacking his character.

[smyrna]

Now I demand you show me how I attacked Arron's character. What gives validity to his point when I proved him wrong? Are you going to deny that the word Kenite is mentioned in the Bible, too?

I directly took issue with his claim that Murray could not show that kenites exist in the Binble,. I gave the verse, which are there, I told him to look them up himself, and anyone would be a fool if they were to claim Murray doesn't know of those very passages.

He, not I, by deliberately twisting what Murray said,is damaging his own character, that's just another cheap shot of yours, among the many you make.

You sure have a lot of time on your hands, since you have chosen to fight Arron's battles rather than your own, which still include your refusal to face the challenges to account for the accusations you have made that was not attended by any evidence to support them.

But that's really great, because it's your character that suffers as well.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
Now, back to the Bickersons for more exciting exchanges of disrespectful and hate-filled banter such as "Do you speak any language that non-gibbering idiots can understand?"
END QUOTE

LOL Now, now, Dodge ... Why, I'm just Ms. Congeniality, herself ... the sweet-natured and cuddly "Detractor" ... ;-)

[smyrna]

Stage Director,

So, you can't do it. More accusations but no evidence.

Hey, carry on. I LOVE it. I love every single time you refuse to produce evidence for your reprehensible practice of accusing people and never following up or including any evidence whatsoever.

You have nothing but empty allegations and absolutely no integrity.

The Factnet moderator was so right on when he addressed you Cultbusters the way he did, noting that accusations fly without any evidence, digressing from topics, and dodging challenges to show your accusations have any meat to them.

So go ahead, keep ignoring those challenges. You are of none effect in your attempts to smear the SC, the students, and the best of all, you are not unique in that regard.

[godchild]

Quite the contrary. By ignoring the question about how "serpent seed" could have survived the flood when the bible clearly states 8 people survived, (Noah and his family), murray showed he did not want to reference the verses smyrna mentioned because they show the Kenites were not "serpent seed", but indeed friends of Israelites and one being Moses' father-in-law.

While murray loves to place blame on Kenites for many bad things that happen in the bible, he wants to do it on his terms, not when someone asks a pointed question.

Yes, the bible does mention the Kenites several times, and none of the verses show them to be "serpent seed" as murray teaches. Let the sc followers show one.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
Are you going to deny that the word Kenite is mentioned in the Bible, too?
END QUOTE

Oh please ... I have no doubt Arron knows the word "Kenite" is in the bible, and what he doesn't believe is that it is used in reference to some offspring of Satan. Murray's doctrine of "Kenites" is not in the bible.

[smyrna]

Saying that the Kenites do not exist and their existence can't be proven via the Bible is precisely what Arron claimed.

The argument that the Kenites descended form whomever has been exhausted here. So recognize that,and either agree or disagree. Bringing it up over and over after all this material has been published here is just ridiculous.

Arron needs to find some new cause, he'll never convince anyone, especially since he is not very articulate, and sounds confused all the time, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't deliberately lying, though I waver on that analysis, because it is so difficult for me to to believe sometimes.

That's not an attack or insult, it is my opinion, one shared by even you, since you have to clarify his words for him. Otherwise, why would you feel the need to do so?

Don't you think he can do it himself?

Your time is better spent fighting your own battles,so I suggest you keep looking for that audio tape of Murray claiming he saw the thrones of God, addressing your accusation that one of Pastor Murray's sons is a drunk.

(this has been going on for months, and she hasn't even named which one)I think she's doing that to try and keep from being sued, even though just saying it's one of his sons may be enough, as they say, you can indict a ham sandwich.


In addition you could also be looking for those missing three FAA records you claim exists, writing senators, and organizations that fight against antisemitism and racism.

Because it is clear you have been wasting your time here.

[dodge]

Smyrna, thank you! We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view, you ridiculous little carnival freak. Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy if you wear a wig to hide the scars.

[smyrna]

I can understand Dodge's angst due to the fact he got egg all over his face while attempting to discuss something he has no clue about,Biblical statutes, laws, and ordinances.

Nothing to be embarrassed about, no one expected him to be a theologian.

But to vent his frustration the way he has here, well, sorry you were embarrassed. Maybe next time you'll make sure you know the subject before you try to comment about it.

Oh, how do I know that is where he is coming from?

He has no other reason to address me the way he has, unless he had a vendetta, due to the aforementioned embarrassment he suffered. But that was his own fault. Next time maybe he'll do a little homework before posting.

Have a good evening, Dodge.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
how do I know that is where he is coming from?
END QUOTE

lol Dude ... You're a Catholic Shep Chap'ler! You don't even know where you're coming from, so I think you'll be hard pressed to ever figure out Dodge.

[smyrna]

"lol Dude ... You're a Catholic Shep Chap'ler! You don't even know where you're coming from, so I think you'll be hard pressed to ever figure out Dodge."

Whaoh, it's the non-better half of the dynamic duo, coming to Dodge's rescue!

So far, Stage Director, instead of doing what she should be doing, fighting her own losing battle, she again comes to the aid of someone she sees as weaker than her, and wants to protect them from the "bullies."

Well, let me tell you something:

First, you are in no position to be defending anyone, since you can't even defend against the countless challenges to provide proof of your accusations.

Secondly, it doesn't take a "Catholic Shep Chap'ler" to figure out Dodge's reasons for his sour grapes post.

Finally, you are so narrow minded, you will never figure out for yourself that there are many people who belong to one Church, and study the teachings of others.

One of my friends is a Catholic, but actually has degrees related to both Catholic and Anglican theology.

So I guess, if you knew him, you'd be referring to him as "You Catholic Anglican"

Thomas Merton, the famous Trappist Monk who was a very prolific writer, studied Buddhism and Sufism, and actually died during a inter-religious conference in Thailand in a Buddhist monastery.

So to Stage Directer, she would refer to Fr. Louis (his name in the Order) as "You Catholic Buddhist Sufi"!

I love these journeys into the irrational thinking of Stage Director. A circus couldn't beat her act.

To Stage Director, both my friend, who also happens to be a neurosurgeon so he's no dummy, as well as Thomas Merton, also "don't know where they are coming from."

Yeah, okay, SD, have some more Kool-Aid.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
Thomas Merton, the famous Trappist Monk who was a very prolific writer, studied Buddhism and Sufism, and actually died during a inter-religious conference in Thailand in a Buddhist monastery.
END QUOTE

So is your point that you're now studying Buddhism? Allister Crowley, another prolific writer, is more famous than your Trappist Monk. Now, does that somehow legitimize his "theology" too?

QUOTE
SD, have some more Kool-Aid.
END QUOTE

Wishing death on me, sport? Oh my ... You keep sinking to these new lows and pretty soon you're going to have to stand on a ladder to kiss a snake's behind.

[watchman_2]

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is commonly used as a connotation for those that believe, without thinking on their own, and, thereon act, based upon what some superior tells them.

It does not mean 'wishing one to death'.

[oneway]

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is commonly used as a connotation for those that believe, without thinking on their own, and,
thereon act, based upon what some superior tells them.

It does not mean 'wishing one to death'."

I guess it just depends on who you ask. Most of us know that this phrase came into our pop culture after the massacre at Jonestown, Guyana on November 18, 1978. I'd be willing to bet that smyrna knows this as well.

[watchman_2]

oneway,

Yes, of course that is the genesis of the term.

However, you will see political commentators use it often -- Bill O'Reilly for one.

[dodge]

The term "drink the koolaid" is commonly used to infer acceptance or belief in things that are ridiculous. (Urban Dictionary)

So, Watchman, Smyrna and Luteratx...it seems you have all drunk of the koolaid with gusto.

[oneway]

"The term "drink the koolaid" is commonly used to infer acceptance or belief in things that are ridiculous. (Urban Dictionary)'

dodge, if that's the correct def, then I know smyrna didn't mean that.

sd is one of the most level headed members here, and she doesn't believe in ridiculous things, except for maybe angels mating with human women. But hey, I believe that too. lol

[dodge]

You believe that angels had sex with humans? Yea, you drank the Koolaid, Oneway.

[saygoodnightgracie]

Smyrna said "if they ever prove that Guiliani actually is a cross dresser,and maybe even a pot smoker, I have just the website for him to hang out at. Keep me updated."

There was a thread at Cultbusters about Transgendered Ministers at one time, I wish someone would dig that out - it would make for a fun read...

[smyrna]

Stage Director has totally lost whatever ability she has in reading comprehension.

Where, really, WHERE or HOW, do you get that I am studying Buddhism out of my post????

I can see why you so totally screw up Chapel teachings.

Really, are you Godchild in disguise? The similarities are so striking. I seriously doubt that two people on this same SC board can come up with such convoluted interpretations of what is posted here.

Where did you get that? Really? Can anyone else on this forum spin my post into something that begs the question whether I am studying Buddhism or not?

And really, how can Stage Director actually miss the whole point, which is just because someone may study the theology of another Christian denomination, or even another religion, that does not make that person a practitioner of that religion, or a member of the Churches or religions they choose to study, nor does it in any way obfuscate where someone "is coming from."

To make my point even clearer, I offered two examples, and still Stage Director didn't get the point.

How in the world does she take my comments as an attempt to "legitimize" someone's theology?
What the hell is this woman's problem? Really, it gets freakier by the day. Unfrik'in believable!

Oh well, should we even be surprised, when she doesn't even know the common definition of a widely known figure of speech used in modern language today?

She actually thought that when I invited her to drink some more Kool-Aid, I meant "wishing she would die?"

You gotta be kidding me! Oh man, that is way too funny. I'm used to the detractors having their own unique definitions for things, but this one takes the cake!

Oh, sorry, I'm not accusing anyone of stealing anyone else's cake, Stage Director!

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[smyrna]

SGNG,

Yeah, I remember that CB thread. It probably has been tossed into that mysterious black hole where all threads that embarrass the CBers end up, like the one that contained their false accusations about the staff here at FactNet, and the FactNet admin's scathing rebuttal to them.

Ever wonder why false accusations seem to be such a part of the Cultbuster's collective psyche?

I can't help this one: Maybe they all are drinking the same Kool-aid.

(For the culturally ignorant,please read Oneway's post for an explanation of my reference to drinking Kool-aid)

[dodge]

Ken Kesey and his Merry Pranksters used the term "Drinking Kool-Aid" in the early '60s, referring to the "Acid Test" events they organized. They put LSD into Kool-Aid and passed it out to the public, who, when they "drank the Kool-Aid," were admitted into the LSD culture. This pre-dates Jonestown. Who here has drunk of the psychedelic Kool-Aid? Who here is old enough to have taken part in this cultural event? This was before LSD was illegal. (for the "culturally ignorant") Has anyone here read Tom Wolfe's "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test?"

[stage_director]

QUOTE
"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is commonly used as a connotation for those that believe, without thinking on their own, and, thereon act, based upon what some superior tells them.

It does not mean 'wishing one to death'.
END QUOTE

The superior who was blindly followed was the Rev. Jim Jones, so ... the phrase refers to committing suicide at the instruction of one's spiritual guru, regardless of how else it might be used.

Deu 3:11
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead [was] a bedstead of iron; [is] it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits [was] the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

"Heb. 'ammah; i.e., "mother of the arm," the fore-arm, is a word derived from the Latin cubitus, the lower arm. It is difficult to determine the exact length of this measure, from the uncertainty whether it included the entire length from the elbow to the tip of the longest finger, or only from the elbow to the root of the hand at the wrist. The probability is that the longer was the original cubit. The common computation as to the length of the cubit makes it 20.24 inches for the ordinary cubit, and 21.888 inches for the sacred one. This is the same as the Egyptian measurements." - Easton's Bible Dictionary

I dunno, Dodge ... That's a mighty big dude to have come from two humans. His bed was so huge it was kept as a sort of museum piece.

Look at Goliath ... close to eleven feet tall, just his coat of mail weighed around 160 lbs ... and that doesn't even include all the rest of his weaponry and armor.

[smyrna]

"The superior who was blindly followed was the Rev. Jim Jones, so ... the phrase refers to committing suicide at the instruction of one's spiritual guru, regardless of how else it might be used."

Well, there you go.

This is classic Stage Director. She insists on using her only her perception of what someone said, rather than admitting that the person meant something completely different than that she has claimed.

Even after it was clarified I meant no such thing, Stage Director willfully and stubbornly states, "...regardless of how else it might be used."

This is why she digs and falls into holes she can't get out of.

She applied her own views to what people say or do, and regardless of what those people intended and even clarified of their intent or position, Stage Director claims it doesn't matter, she will decide what they meant, not them.

She even takes it a step farther: even Oneway and Dodge, not exactly who you would call my friends and loyal supporters, explained to you that there has evolved a modified and expanded view of the figure of speech "have some more Kool-aid" and you still insist on using your own version, one that has never been used in that manner.

How silly, how arrogant, and it shows precisely how she can take transcripts of Murray's lectures, or our posts,and even figures of speech, and attempt to turn them into something that they were never intended to be.

[smyrna]

Today's silly comment by RLS on Cultbusters:

"****Oh, adults in cults acting like hateful immature children-isn't it fun."""..

It must be fun for you, Rachel. After all, that comment of yours comes from a website where people group together in a tight little cabal, and use rumors,false accusations, hateful and deliberately deceptive remarks,a thinly veiled outer space oriented "Role Playing Game" as well as one that has adults acting in the roles of barnyard animals,both hateful and childish attacks against people that you and your comrades have decided are cultists, racists, antisemitic, heretics, etc.

By the way, "Suzy" is a real teenage girl, who has learned all about your hateful and childish little cabal, and she meant what she said.

She thinks you are all goofballs, that's her opinion, and she's read your posts at CB as well as here, so she isn't just listening to me. That is why I suggested that she tell you what she thought in her own words, unscripted.

Months ago, and I said this on a post that is months old, both my wife and daughter as well as some guys at work, have learned of the Cultbusters and those silly games they play.

My wife said of CB's Sky Is Falling thread: "These are adults? They are just a step away from those weirdos where the husband dresses up in baby clothes, and the wife acts like his mother, complete with specially sized baby clothes, bottles and yep, even diapers."

(this is known as 'Paraphilic infantilism')

That one cracked me up! She's right!

[smyrna]

Continued:

because you have a sick mind

(if that was the real reason, you'd be distancing yourself from most of your CB friends)

-and I would NEVER put it past Smyrna from FACTNET to cause harm physically to any of you if he could find you.

(sorry, according to some of your cohorts, I know exactly where you are, and no one has been physically harmed. You people harm yourselves well enough, much more than any phsyical pain can bring)

Smyrna, is what happens when a cult member gets obsessed-

(Like the CBers aren't obsessed with Pastor Murray! LOL!)

it's all about the man because anyone who believes in God and used logic and reason would never act in this manner-

(Yes, CBers should take your self-criticism and leave Murray and his students alone)

you see it just keeps getting wierder and wierder

(sure does, it's been how long the CBers have been playing astronauts, farm animals, and then act as if they can dictate what people can believe or choose not to believe)

with him-there are those of you here who have moved on to other things

(no, there are those there that have been thrown off FactNet for good)

put this in your past and for that I admire you-but he is angry with you because he can NOT let it go. This is the worst I have ever seen it-

(me too, at least they deleted the thread with their most silly and outrageous allegations aimed at the FactNet staff)

and I have dealt with some real characters out there-

(and you still do, check out your captain! lol!)

I really thought I had seen a change in this man/person

(you have, he has changed his gender,race,and his contradictions how many times?)

and again I am eating my words-

(nothing new there!)I

apologize to all of you who tried to tell me-he was just a fake and if his SC friends were any friends at all-they would tell him to get some counseling... R

(we have suggested therapy to the CBers for quite some time, sorry they won't go and get any)

[stage_director]

QUOTE
Even after it was clarified I meant no such thing, Stage Director willfully and stubbornly states, "...regardless of how else it might be used."
END QUOTE

Actually, it's simply that I neither trust you, nor believe much you say ... ;-)

[dodge]

Actually, it's a common misconception that 900 followers of Jim Jones committed suicide by drinking Grape Kool-Aid laced with cyanide. What they actually drank was cyanide-laced Flavor-Aid, a cheap imitation of Kool-Aid. So, the expression should be, "Stage Director, it looks like you drank the Flavoraid."

http://www.userland.com/whatIsKoolAid

[smyrna]

"Actually, it's simply that I neither trust you, nor believe much you say ... ;-)'

You forgot to include the information provided by Dodge and Oneway, which confirms and affirms what I provided, and even presaged my comments.

So you, by your own words, MUST be implying that you neither trust Dodge nor Oneway, which in many cases, is the right thing to do. But not this time.

Because, if you do your own research, you'd find that this is a common figure of speech, which truly did originate to the Jonestown case, but quickly was expanded and evolved.

This occurred years ago by the way, so this is not any new figure of speech by any means, and Oneway provided the common and intended definition of it, as well as Dodge.

You are out on this one, and your stubbornness to
admit it is not only obvious, it's comical.

[stage_director]

Okay, Smyrna ... I do believe the topic on what the meaning of the phrase "Drink the Koolaid/Flavoraid" really means has just about been exhausted. Yes, it's been both fun and informative, but ... let's try hard not to exchange fifty more posts about it. Seriously ...

[smyrna]

See how long it takes to get you to admit you are wrong?

THAT is why the forum is in the shape that it is in.

If the moderators refuse to bounce you for the many other examples of your stubbornness to capitulate, then the situation will not improve.

[arron]

smyrna how long is it going tot take for u to find out how stupid you really are

[stage_director]

QUOTE
If the moderators refuse to bounce you for the many other examples of your stubbornness to capitulate,
END QUOTE

Do I understand you correctly? You think the moderators are suppose to ban me because I won't surrender under your terms?

What? Do you think you've invaded my kingdom or something?
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[smyrna]

"smyrna how long is it going tot take for u to find out how stupid you really are'

Arron, haven't you yet learned that it is not wise to call anyone stupid? I thought you learned that lesson last week, when you tried to label anyone who didn't believe in the rapture as stupid. You got chased away from here.

One thing is for certain: I'll never learn that I am stupid from you.

[smyrna]

"Do I understand you correctly?'

NO, you don't.

They should ban you for making countless accusations that you cannot support with any evidence. It's no longer one opinion vs another. It's merely a silly tactic of yours gone wild.

You either act like you don't understand things or it is a tactic designed to wear your opponents out, but whatever the case, as I have illustrated and you even admitted, it took how many posts to get you to admit that your definition of a common idiom, was not the only one?

Three people tell you a different and more common definition of that figure of speech, but you insist that yours is the correct one. How silly.

It is stuff like that, which you and Godchild do on a constant basis, that has resulted in thousands of posts that contain the same questions and other material.

You refuse to answer challenges to your accusations, so people keep asking. And then you complain that they keep asking!

It's ludicrous. It only damages your own credibility, though I doubt that will stop you from continuing to dodge attempts to get you to
prove the many allegations you have made are true.

[lutheratx]

It absolutely proves that she is one of those people that just refuses to be wrong about anything. That is another good post Smyrna. I have also noticed that if she changes her mind about something that she acts as though she believed that all along. I won't mention what it is because I don't care how she comes to conclusions that bring her closer to the truth. I do care that she either starts learning or that she can't be as deceptive any more about something, it seem as though it has been taken away from her. I'll be honest I do not trust that Stage is not a puppet for the false one. Someone who is avidly against my beliefs and it seems will stop at nothing to try to separate me from sound doctrine just seems suspicious. She is definitely in Satan's camp it is just whether or not she is doing it innocently or not.

[smyrna]

I can assure you that she is not doing so innocently.

I think this thread here, is one of the better examples of the exhibitions of the fabrication of lies, deceptions,and denials by the CBers that can be found on all of the SC related threads here at FactNet.

As for admitting they were wrong, you are right, Stage Director, a certain 'Space Captain' that some foolish person actually allowed to be a "Global Moderator" at Cultbusters, and Godchild all steadfastly refuse to admit they are wrong about anything, unless it's something innocuous, like a typo.

One of my all time favorites is the "grove worshiping" accusation. You can read about it right here at the beginning of this thread and throughout.

The CBers reaction to it is a work of art. The art of deception, that is.

You have to read through other topics here to stay on the grove worshiping thing,but it really is worth it.

Unfortunately, some of the best posts related to the grove worshiping accusation are on another thread and I can't remember which one it is. But I can assure you that it shows that Stage Director is not immune from posing as some other personality, "Rambling_Rose" "Delta_Belle59" are two that come to mind.

I find it inconceivable that both of those personalities have shown up at the most opportune times, both with intimate details of the "inner core" of the SC, and of course affirming the otherwise unprovable allegations made by Stage Director, and on an obscure website called Cultbusters.com.au as well as here.

There are way too many amazing coincidences to try and deny that it wasn't just another example of the shenanigans these people have become known for.

If you could see all that I have seen, you'd be even more amazed at the audacity and arrogance these people have, to think they can pull that stuff and not get caught at it.

But that is what happens after they convinced themselves that the SCers were just a bunch of brainwashed cultists.

They thought they could pull anything on us and never have to worry about being caught.

Well, they figured wrong. And now look at where they are now.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
It absolutely proves that she is one of those people that just refuses to be wrong about anything
END QUOTE

Nope, not true, Luther ... I admit I was wrong when I thought you were above Smyrna and Watchman's debate tactics.

[smyrna]

Luther,

Stage Director is obviously at a loss for words (at least ones of any value at all)by shooting back with some snide, sarcastic comment, rather than addressing the FACT she has yet, and probably will never, either admit she was lying, or otherwise address the various accusations she has made that have not been attended with evidence.

Heck, she won't even tell you precisely what she refers to as myself and Watchman's "debate tactics."

No examples, nothing. Typical.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
But I can assure you that it shows that Stage Director is not immune from posing as some other personality, "Rambling_Rose" "Delta_Belle59" are two that come to mind.
END QUOTE

Ah, but your nose is growing, Pinnochio. Neither of those ids has ever been used by me. And here you are still trying to associate me to a claim Murray was involved in some type of grove/barn worship when I've already stated several times that according to what I know of, he wasn't.

QUOTE
Heck, she won't even tell you precisely what she refers to as myself and Watchman's "debate tactics."
END QUOTE

lol Are you serious? Half the people here have addressed you in detail about your and/or Watchman's debate tactics. You like to sift through old threads ... It's all there.

[smyrna]

"Ah, but your nose is growing, Pinnochio. Neither of those ids has ever been used by me. And here you are still trying to associate me to a claim Murray was involved in some type of grove/barn worship when I've already stated several times that according to what I know of, he wasn't."

Yes, I am still trying to associate you with those ids, as well as Shadowcat, and as I said before, my evidence is circumstantial, based upon some amazing coincidences both here and at Cultbusters.

I wouldn't expect you to just come out and admit it, so I'm not foolish enough to make the subject the primary reason I brought it up.

The id thing isn't really the issue. What needs to be focused upon is that YOU, and others at CB denied that the grove worshipping allegation originated at CB.

My comments were not confined to what you and what you do not do at CB. My comments encompass the usual suspects at CB, and that boils down to only about a half dozen, not counting the silly and obvious dual and multi ID users, such as RLS/ Rhonda Starr and F......n/Gavin


Finally, I'd sure like to see where you claimed that Murray wasn't "grove worshiping." I'm not accusing you, I just don't remember you doing that, and doubt seriously that you would defend accusations against Murray, no matter how outrageous they are.

Because you have made equally outrageous allegations against him, and just like the grove worshiping allegation, offered no evidence.

[stage_director]

QUOTE
Finally, I'd sure like to see where you claimed that Murray wasn't "grove worshiping." I'm not accusing you, I just don't remember you doing that, and doubt seriously that you would defend accusations against Murray, no matter how outrageous they are.
END QUOTE

Spare me ... I said it the first time you announced I'd accused Murray of grove worshipping, and then the second and third times.

Get this straight: I am unaware of any involvement in grove/barn worship by Arnold Murray.

Got it?

[arron]

smyrna reguarding post # 3814 ( just so you dont change it or edit it or say you didnt say it ) i was NOT CHASED away from here and i still have all my senses

[dobman53]

What I find so outrages about all the decenters is, they feel so self anointed to say we sc'ers are all so wrong, and we will be damned to hell for it. Lets just say they were right, would God be upset with me in misidentifing Satan. Maybe a little, who can say! I do not go about trying to harm the tares, or anyone for that matter. Though they'll all profess rapture as being the only truth, seeing nothing but good from it. Yet they refuse to see the dangers of such a silly doctrine. They refuse to read Revelations, thinking it has nothing for them to concider. the whole while thinking Revelations was ment for someone other than themselves to read about. All of their false teachings lead them straight to Satans out reached hands. Yet I can't for the life of me see where, if I were to be wrong in my beliefs, where one might point out how my thoughts lead to harm any! Oh I'm sure they'll scream BLASPHEMY or some other such nonsence. I guess if all I knew about God was salvation, I to would be frightened about the end times, and Rapture sure would be nice. God wants us to stand up against Satan, and show to him we do love him, and not just love him for the supposed gifts. and treats. You know It's easy to love a rich uncle, until he starts to put a few restictions on you. It's only then that the rich uncle finds out those who do truley love him!! What FOOLS they are, those who profess to love God, yet know so little of him. Salvation Salvation Salvation, pretty simple, but their's more to it. Salvation is the first day in church when you learn of forgivness. A lot of us Scer's have spent years and years in our quest to learn who God truley is. We have come to learn all Satans tricks to decieve the world, and we didn't learn this in just a few hour long programs from Pastor Murray. These things we've come to know can't be taught by quoating a chapter and verse here or a chapter and verse there. It takes years to be taught the whole Bible, especially when your taught every chapter and verse in the entire Bible. Now I know your going to think Pastor Murray has polluted the minds of us all with his teachings, but your wrong, soon to be eternally dead wrong!!

[smyrna]

I don't agree that all of the detractors believe in the rapture. I don't think it is wise for us to judge them. What we can do, and what you have done here, is point out that you don't think that what the SC teaches is violence and hate. Maybe hating sin, but not sinners.

We also can show them that God's Word instructs us that some people will go to hell, or are in danger of hell, but that we can't ourselves say with any certainty that one is going to hell. They may appear to us to be heading that way, but we could be wrong. We are not perfect.

I think they may read Revelation, but I'm not sure they understand it, and I'm not implying that all SC students do either.

But I do think it is taught with greater clarity by the Chapel than in many other Churches.Not all Churches, just many.

You learn, with the propensity of the detractors
to look for what they perceive to be false statements in every sentence of every post one
authors, to be as precise as possible.

[david_munson]

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Kool Aid or Flavor Aid.
Brand names for flavored suger water.
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Just as an FYI ,no debate.

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[dobman53]

I do sound as if I might be condeming some. Though one thing is for sure, they'll not forget what has been said to them time and time again. Not all of them believe in the rapture, but those who don't are mighty sheepish about not professing it to loudly for fear of it might alienate their cohorts. They feel a common bond amoungst themselves in their asault. One thing I'm sure of is that they'll all be in search of ones like us when all hell breaks loose. Thinking they must report us to the council of Satan to recieve blessings from him. The hole while thinking their doing Gods work. Soon there after they'll be praying for the mountains to cave in on them. I can well imagine their responce, them felling my lands don't these Scer's know how holly we are. After all we decenters are, tongue talkers, rapture freaks, Darwinian fools, and snake charmers to boot! WE JUST CAN'T BE WRONG!! These Scer's talk of things we know nothing about. after all we can take any number of scriptures (out of context) that backs us up! Or we can show Darwins madness to make all sorts of since. NO NO NO you Scer's are all wrong, cause what you guy's talk about doesn't make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside, so it has to be wrong! After all we decenters are babtized in the holly spirit by preacher Bob, Fred, or you fill in the blank. And when he gives us a sermond on seed faith we give 15% instead of 10%, Preacher Bob says my new Cadiliac should be arriving any day now, so back off.

[smyrna]

Smyrna: Unless Zarquan/Dodge is accusing SC folks of claiming Abraham, Noah and Jesus are stinging flying insects, the term WASP is an acronym for: White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

Now here is his problem:

Neither Anglos, Saxons or Protestants even existed during the times of Abraham,Noah,and Jesus.

So to say that the SC teaches that Abraham, Noah and Jesus were white Anglo-Saxon Protestants is just so far out, it boggles the mind how a guy who thinks he is so clever, can make such a glaring mistake.

Anyway,we even have the post of a member of the Stormfront website, a hangout for admitted racists, say that the SC left the Identity movement in 1981.

Dodge/Zarquan read that thread, and really, I never pegged this guy for being stupid or naive.

But there he is, waffling back and forth, in the matter of hours, and I know why:

He's having a good old time at CB, and he doesn't want to get banned.

He likes playing these games, hell, he probably did posted that garbage just to get me or one of the other SCers to comment.

That's his real goal, not truth.

So if he is willing to convince people he is gullible in order to continue his games, that's very cool with me.

Because I do come here for the entertainment, at least when it comes to the Cultbusters.

As for that stuff about the ADL, I also find it amazing that he can admit that they gave him the run around, that he scoured the web for any media attention paid to the Chapel (none) and then all of a sudden claim he has been enlightened, just by
reading about identity groups on the ADL site.

For if the SC was recognized as an identity Church, the fact that it has been on TV for twnety years and more would surely be the object of attention by groups that would have certainly used the SC's high profile(it definitely is, compared to true Identity Churches)as a reference.

And if Dodge/Zarquan can't figure that out, well, let's just say he belongs at Cultbusters.

If he comes over here and give me ridiculous excuses, or stumbles and bumbles like I think he will,that is just one more reason he should feel right at home at www.cultbusters.com.au (http://www.cultbusters.com.au)

By the way, if anyone does go to Cultbusters, check out the "Speaking About False Ministers"
thread, and there you can witness another case of their cultish activities.

This will especially be interesting for people familiar with the way these people operate. Watch how they treat the person who started the thread, "Bible Teacher."

I suspect he or she has been sent to the same place their deleted thread that was called "FactNet's Blatant Selective Censorship"

I like nothing better than to see THEIR blatant selective censorship!



(Message edited by smyrna on November 17, 2007)

[stage_director]

Come on now, Smyrna ... You can't really believe Dodge is also Zarq. I cannot imagine Dodge actually writing the ADL concerning Shepherd's Chapel. lol

[smyrna]

He doesn't have to,he can just say he did, like you have done. I'm not really going to spend much time playing who's who, Because it doesn't matter who is who. This Zarquan guy says he posts over here, if he doesn't want to admit it, that's fine.

Now as for content,Zarquan has admitted he wrote the ADL, there is a detailed post on CB where he now claims in addition to writing he has also called.

Then he claims that he "forgot" that the SC was an "Identity Church" which was an obvious suck up to the CB moderator, who like I said, bought it hook, line, and sinker.

It certainly is your choice to believe the waffle job Zarquan pulled over there, first claiming he doesn't see anything racist or anti-semitic with the SC at all, and then spinning right around, claiming he forgot they were, all on the same day.

I've seen some wild stuff over there, but that's another one that qualifies for among the most ridiculous.

This just goes to show you detractors will believe anything, as long as it appears to damage the Chapel.

Now to you, all this should mean nothing, because unless you were bluffing you claimed to have written them yourself.

Furthermore, as Luther pointed out, the ADL itself, in comments Zarquan deliberately did not post, admits that not all groups who believe in a retracement of the tribes back through Europe and the British Isles are hostile towards the Jewish people. I guess he "forgot" to copy and paste those comments from the ADL site.

I suspect that the ADL has better things to do than to repeat themselves to individuals who either refuse to acknowledge the ADL's opinion in TOTALITY,or simply refuse their opinions apply to the SC, so they can keep accusing.

Yesterday was a great day here, for we have been able to show how Dodge/Zarquan is either playing games or is truly intellectually compromised and incapable of keeping his facts straight, as well as having a convenient "memory lapse."


I again thank Luther for his help in doing so.

[oneway]

"Come on now, Smyrna ... You can't really believe Dodge is also Zarq. I cannot imagine Dodge actually writing the ADL
concerning Shepherd's Chapel. lol"


Actually this is the first time smyrna has ever been right. I've suspected that Zarq was dodge way before smyrna ever made mention. I noticed the clues zarq was leaving. One major clue..both zarq and dodge happen to be from the Newburyport, Massachusetts area.
I'm good at this stuff tho. I used to play games myself. There's no doubt that zarq is not being accidently sloppy about exposing his identity, he has purposely been leaving clues to see who would pick up on them. I'd bet on it.

[dodge]

You're right, "oneway" -- I do post as "Zarquan" over at the CultBusters Forum. I live in the Newburyport, Massachusetts area, and will be sixty years old next year. I am not a Christian, but I'm not an atheist. Anything else you want to know?

[oneway]

"Anything else you want to know?"

LOL. Not really. One thing I can say about you is this. You are not a liar. I figured you would either ignore my post, or you would come clean. I knew you would never deny it tho. You've done nothing wrong as far as I can tell. You have every right to post at CBs under any id you choose. sd didn't think zarq was you, I simply felt the need to show her that was not true, even if it meant that smyrna was right.

[dodge]

Fair enough, Oneway.

[stage_director]

Yeah, I finally figured it out when Dodge signed his post "Dodge" ... lol

[stage_director]

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It took, what, three days for her to admit she was not using the common definition of the modern idiom which refers to one drinking Kool-aid?
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I did?

lol I still think my definition is the appropriate one, no matter how people have been using it. I'd guess that today's young people are simply not familiar with Jim Jones and his cult. But, just as I predicted ... you are unable to let even the most trivial disagreement die.

[smyrna]

"But, just as I predicted ... you are unable to let even the most trivial disagreement die."

Nothing is trivial when one is trying to exhibit the chronic stubbornness, gross ignorance, and deliberate stalling and evasion that we encounter due to your silly efforts to bury and refuse to face the fact you will never admit you were lying of come up with any evidence for those allegations.


I suppose your couple of sentences about how I must be wrong about the Dodge/Zarquan connection is no trivial, and what must even be more "trivial" to you, is that all the evidence of Dodge's silly games.

He has these games played right under the noses of the CBers, who apparently don't mind being made patsies for some unstable atheist who thinks he's a genius, even while he bumbles his way through subjects he has little knowledge of.

But that's all good, the past few days would not have been so great if it were not for his contribution to the demise of the Cultbuster's foolish attempts to get people to believe their whacky representations and labeling of the SC.

But hey, I'm a nice guy. If Stage Director would rather me vary all the exhibits of her pushing trivial disagreements and even initiating them,, I'll be happy to oblige.

The main point here for me is, she's finished, and she just refuses to admit it.

[aviyah]

Boy, is anyone else having the same problems I'm having with posting tonight?

[smyrna]

Hey, I heard through the grapevine (maybe I should say fig tree branch, lol!)that the space captain at CB is putting his little fantasy space camp in a permnent holding pattern!

CB also has been down for days, hopefully because Neil, the site owner, has come to his senses and has seen how damaging the cyber-astronauts have been to his site, and is getting rid of all that refuse.

In another one of those amazing coincidences we have come to expect at CB, "Destiny Psalms" probably a Rachel clone, is bowing out, in her words, taking on her "Emily Dickinson mode", whatever that may mean.

This ought to be interesting, to see how this stuff all plays out.

[david_munson]

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Aviyah,
I have discovered that when you hit the post article button after five lines of the green bar have come on you can click the thread title that takes you back to the opening thread titles and your post will be there.

This seems much faster for some reason which I do not know.

happy posting folks.

Dave
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[smyrna]

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It took, what, three days for her to admit she was not using the common definition of the modern idiom which refers to one drinking Kool-aid?
END QUOTE

I did?

lol I still think my definition is the appropriate one, no matter how people have been using it. I'd guess that today's young people are simply not familiar with Jim Jones and his cult. But, just as I predicted ... you are unable to let even the most trivial disagreement die."

Yes, you did, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that you foolishly claim I meant something which I did not. So that is the real reason why no one can "converse or dialog" with you. You refuse to accept when someone tells you what they meant, so you can cling to your own notions.

So it is not the argument, as to what the common figure of speech regarding "drinking kool-aid" vs your own unique interpretation of my use of it which you chose to define as me hoping you will kill yourself that matters.

It's the fact you refuse to admit I was using the more common definition, as at least two or three other people pointed out to you, and two of them are no friends of mine and usually side with you.

Yes, the figure of speech issue is trivial, but the fact you refuse to admit I was using that figure of speech the way I said I did, is important.

Because it shows you refuse to admit you misunderstood me. You rather be childish, and say

"lol I still think my definition is the appropriate one, no matter how people have been using it."

How ridiculous is that, folks? You can't have any conversation with someone that does that stuff, among other things, like making accusations without offering one shred of evidence, which Stage Director has done so many times.

That trait is typical of the Cultbusters. Just go their merry way and accuse people of stuff, and refuse to acknowledge they are wrong no matter how strong the evidence is.

What a bunch of sick puppies. Even the FactNet moderator noted this is true, and on the CB website, too.

And, if anyone wants proof, just ask. I have plenty of evidence or just go through the threads yourself.

[david_munson]

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Lump summing again?
What a straw man thing to do.
Link everyone up the way you want to so you can claim that all that are members of one site are the same and think the same thoughts.

Isn't that a bit sophomoric?
Not to mention that it detracts from any real point you desire to make as it shows you in a less than genuine and honest light.
(the narration serves the same purpose as it reveals that you want to direct the thoughts of others instead of allowing them to come to their own conclusions by using their own brains.)

CB like factnet has many members that post about differing topics as you are well aware of but do not state for honesty and balance.

As for Mr. Factnet he is biased as all get out.
Not the best example.
A double standard type of guy that lied to me when I stood up for him being an equitable guy.
He isn't but this site is under his control.
Remember?

If you have a tiff with some one from one site don't lump every one on the site together as though they are clones of one another.
It is disingenuous at best.

At worst ,
well you can figure that out can't you?

I know that you know better than to do that but you do it anyway.

Character matters and testifies to what is in the heart.

Point made.
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To the readers:
make up your own minds and do not allow Smyrna me or any one else to be your thought director.
It should be an insult every one reading that Smyrna doesn't trust that others can think for themselves.
I have plenty of evidence too provided by Smyrna himself.

Now ,
how's that for narrative?

Peace is best when possible.
Civility is best when peace is not possible.

Dave

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[smyrna]

Good post, Dave.

Dave, you know that in past posts of mine I did indeed separate you from the extremist detractors at Cultbusters.

And, I will say now, that I honestly forget sometimes that you even spend any time there. When I speak generally about the Cultbusters, I am thinking about the "former Global Moderator" (that's how I'm going to describe him from now on, because it's so much fun to do,lol!)Stage Director, Godchild, and Arron, even though the latter I don't think much about either, because he is just a drive-by poster at best here, and justrepeats himself when he isn't dreaming up new and unique ways of interpreting SC TV programs).