The First Christmas And The Word was made flesh [Archive]

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:33 PM

One
Peace & Grace be upon those that love & serve The Lord & Saviour Christ Jesus;
December 25th is a very special time for Christians, as it is the time when The Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us [ John 1:14 ]. Now many Christians have been taught that December 25th was the day of Christ's Birth; Yet December 25th is actually the date that Christ our Lord was conceived, begotten of The Divine Power of The Holy Spirit, which was an Awesome & Amazing fufillment of Prophecy foretold of in The Book of Isaiah, and indeed is one to be joyful about. And with a little SEEKING of The Scriptures we can find this Truth of Christ Divine Conception for ourselves. 

Isaiah 7:14
" Therefore the Lord Himself SHALL give you a sign; Behold, a virgin SHALL conceive, and bear a Son, and shall call His Name Immanuel. "

Immanuel = meaning "God with us" or "with us is God" . Now to SEEK out Christ's Conception Date we must first go to The Gospel of Luke, Chapter One for a better understanding of the times and particular dates.

Luke 1:5
" There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias,OF THE COURSE OF ABIA; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. "

We see here in this above verse that Zacharias = meaning Remember of God, was doing his Levitical preistly service during THE COURSE OF ABIA, [ I Chronicles Chapter Twenty-Four ]. Now there are twenty four courses of the preisthood, which they served two times a year for a 7 day period, making a total of 48 courses, and all 24 preists would serve on the three major feast weeks. So onnce each priest had served each of the twenty -four courses which were assigned to them, then the courses would start over again, a total of 48 courses served in The Temple of The Lord. Elisabeth=meaning "Oath of God"; And we will soon see through SEEKING The Scriptures that God would fufill His Oath through this one Elisabeth and her cousin Mary the mother of Jesus by fufilling the promises of both the forerunner of The Messiah and The Messiah.
 
Luke 1:6
" And they [ Zacharias & Elisabeth ] were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. "
Luke 1:7
" And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years. "
Luke 1:8
" And it came to pass, that while he [=being Zacharias ] executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course, "
Luke 1:9
" According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into The Temple of the Lord. "
The Alter of Incense was located in The Holy Place of The Temple, along with The Golden Candle Sticks, and The Table of Shewbread. All these items were located just outside of The Holy of Holies. Now for two times a year, and for a 7 day period each time, it was Zacharias's responsibilty to OFFER INCENSE during the course of Abia.

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:34 PM

Two 

Luke 1:10
" And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense. "

At the time of the incense, the congregation was standing out side of The Holy Place, which Zacharias was able to enter into being a preist as he entered in to offer incense at The Alter of Incense. The burning of incense was symbolic of prayers ascending up to The Father, prayers being offered up to The LORD, as the smoke from the incense carried the prayers to our Heavenly Father [ Revelation 8:4 ].

Luke1:11
" And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. "
Luke 1:12
" And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. "
Luke 1:13
" But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias; FOR THY PRAYER IS HEARD; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. "

Zacharias had been praying to The LORD for a son, as it is written here that his prayer was heard. And it is this John that would be the forerunner for Christ The Lord, as it is writen in Isaiah 40:3. John= meaning " God's gift or favour"

Luke 1:14
"And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. "

Many would rejoice at John's birth because it would not be too long before The Messiah would also be born, and we will see through SEARCING of The Scriptures that it would be exactly six months after John's conception that Jesus The Christ would also be conceived. John The Baptist and Jesus The Christ were six months apart.

Luke 1:15
" For he shall be great in the sight of The Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with The Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb. "

And we see that John is under the vow of a Nazarite; Numbers 6:3

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:35 PM

Three 

Luke 1:16
" And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to The Lord their God."

This is John's purpose, as he came in 'the spirit' of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the father(S) to the children.

Luke 1:17
" And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for The Lord. " 

'Elias' is the Greek name for Elijah; There are TWO father (S) [ plural ], our Father, The LORD our God, and then there is 'their' father satan. MALACHI 4:5-6, John The Baptist was NOT Elijah [ Matthew 11:12-14 ], but came in the spirit of Elijah in turning the childrens hearts back to the father(S), and to turn the heart of the fathers to the children. 

Luke 1:18
" And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years. "

Zacharias is stating here how he and his wife Elisabeth are both very old. And he says 'whereby shall I know this' ? He asks this with a doubting heart. As according to the upcoming verses we see this angel will mute Zacharias because he is doubting and does not beleive his Words. And its possible he is doubting this because he and his wife are both so old, and he is asking the angel for a sign when he asks ' whereby shall I know this?'. 

Luke 1:19
" And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings. "

Gabriel meaning "man of God". And this angel stands in the presence of God, meaning he has the priviledge of being face to face with God, our Father. But Zacharias is doubting, not believing these good tidings with regards to he and his wife having a son.

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:36 PM

Four

Luke 1:20
" And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou BELIEVEST NOT my Words, which shall be fulfilled in their season. "

Luke 1:21
" And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple."

Luke 1:22
" And when he came out, he could not speak unto them; and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple; for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless. "

Beckoned here in the Greek is 'dianeuo' and it means = to express one's meaning by a sign; to nod. Zacharias is trying to tell them what happened as best he can with most likely hand signs and head nods, as he can not speak.

Luke 1:23
" And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he DEPARTED TO HIS OWN HOUSE. " 

Zacharias's course has now been completed, which was The Course of Abia. And as stated in the begining post there are two courses of Abia each year, remember there were twenty-four courses
[ I chronicles 24 ], once the first 24 courses are completed, then the 24 courses start over once again for a total of 48 courses each year, and again all the priests served during the 3 major feasts. Lets look at the two courses of Abia each year to figure out which ONE of the two courses Zacharias was actually serving at the time that Gabriel appeared to him. We see here, and make note of, in verse 23 of The First Chapter of Luke that Zacharias has now completed his course/service in The Temple of The Lord, and has since departed and gone to his own home.

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:37 PM

Five

The Course of Abia being the eighth of the twenty-four courses, each course however occured TWICE A YEAR.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifOPTION No. 1
The first course of the twenty-four courses began on the 8th day 'AFTER' the begining of the Feast of Tabernacles; which was the begininng of the Hebrew civil year. So then the 8th day AFTER the Feast of Tabernacles brings us to the 22nd of Tisri. Now the 22nd of Tisri is equal to our October 6th of each year. Now Zacharias was serving the eighth course, and the courses went for seven days, from one sabbath to the next. So then we must count forward eight weeks FROM our October 6th=22nd of Tisri [ which starts the first course, that being The Course of Jehoiarib ], so counting up eights weeks from our October 6th will bring us to the eight course, which is equal to our December 6th through December 12th [ ending on the 18th Chisleu], and that is the FIRST Course of Abia for the year.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifOPTION No. 2
The SECOND Course of Abia for the year would come around on the 12th of Sivan of the Hebrew calender, ending on the 18th of Sivan, which is equal to our June 13th through June 19th. 

And at sometime during this SECOND course of Abia was when Zacharias received the 'announcement' from Gabriel of the conception of his son John, that being John The Baptist. Therefore, Zacharias is leaving Jerusalem in verse 23 of The First Chapter of Luke, and would not be able to travel on the 19th of June because it is a sabbath, Zacharias would then need to wait until the 20th of June to return home following the completion of his course, as it would be forbidden for him to travel on the 19th as it was a sabbath. Now we know that Zacharias is well stricken in years [Luke 1:7], and lived in the hill county, of a city in Juda [Luke 1:39], so the journey from Jerusalem to his own home may have taken him one to two days, arriving home approximately June 21st or June 22nd.

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:38 PM

Six 

Luke 1:24
" And AFTER THOSE DAYS his wife Elisabeth CONCEIVED, and hid herself FIVE MONTHS, saying, "

Elisabeth conceived somewhere along June 23rd or June 24th, and according to the above Scripture has now HID herself FIVE MONTHS which would put us at about November 24th. Its likely Elisabeth has hid herself to guard herself against any thing unclean as her son, John The Baptist was under the vow of a Nazarite [Luke 1:15].

Luke 1:25
" Thus hath The Lord dealt with me in the days wherein He looked on me, to take away my reproach among men. "

Elisabeth is expressing her happiness in that she was no longer barren, as at this time a women being barren was seen as a bit of a reproach=disgrace among the people. 

Luke 1:26
" And in THE SIXTH MONTH the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, "

We were at November 24th or 25th [Luke 1:24 ], PLUS one month. This being the sixth month AFTER Elisabeth had conceived with John The Baptist, which puts us at about December 24th/ December 25th.

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:39 PM

Seven 

Luke 1:27
" To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. "

We are at December 24th/25th.

Luke 1:28
" And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, The Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women. "

And Gabriel will announce The First Advent.

Luke 1:29
" And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast [= deliberate; reason ] in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. "

Luke 1:30
" And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary; for thou hast found favour [= grace] with God.

Luke 1:31
" And, behold, thou SHALT CONCEIVE in thy womb, and bring forth A Son, and shalt call His name JESUS. "

Jesus = Meaning God is Salvation; God's Saviour; in the Hebrew 'Yahshua' = Meaning God's Saviour or God is Salvation. The Prophecy spoken of in Isaiah 7:14 is going to be fulfilled this day, SIX MONTHS AFTER Elisabeth conceived with John The Baptist, this day puts us approximately at December 25th. [Luke 1:26]

Luke 1:32-33
" He shall be great, and shall be called The Son of The Highest; and The Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David; And He shall reign over The House of Jacob FOR EVER; and of His Kingdom there shall be no end. "

KING of Kings and LORD of Lords, this prophecy is still yet future.

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:40 PM

Eight 

Luke 1:34
" Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? "

Mary is simply asking Gabriel how shall this be that I will conceive, because I 'know' not a man. This work 'know' as it appears here is a an idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. She is a virgin. And as it is written in Isaiah 7:14, a virgin shall conceive. 

Luke 1:35
" And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW thee; therefore also that Holy Thing which shall be born of thee shall be called The Son of God. "

Luke 1:36
" And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age; AND THIS IS THE SIXTH MONTH WITH her, who was called barren."

Luke 1:37
" For WITH God nothing shall be impossible. "

Luke 1:38
" And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; BE IT UNTO ME ACCODING TO THY WORD. And the angel departed from her. "

Here we see Mary as a willing servant of The LORD, not merely a 'hearer' of The Word, but also a 'doer' of The Word [ James 2:22 ], for she has said to Gabriel, who has given Mary understanding of how it is that she shall conceive The Son of God, Immanuel=God WITH us. [ Isaiah 7:14 ] Mary has said to the angel ' be it unto me according to thy Word'. In other words, all The Words in which Gabriel has spoken to her [ Luke 1:31 & 1:35 ], she is saying do it unto me. And it is here on this day, December 25th that we have our first Christmas, when Christ was Begotten through the Divine Power of The Holy Spirit, and indeed this is when The Word of God became flesh.

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:41 PM

Nine 

Luke 1:39
" And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; "

Luke 1:40
" And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. '

Luke 1:41
" And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe [=that being John] leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with The Holy Spirit; "

Luke 1:42
" And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, blessed art thou among women, AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF thy WOMB. "

Luke 1:43
" And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me ? "

Luke 1:44
" For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe [=that being John] leaped in my womb FOR JOY. "

Luke 1:45
" And blessed is she THAT BELIEVED; for there SHALL BE a performance of those things which were told her FROM The Lord. " [Luke 1:32-33]

Luke 1:46
" And Mary said, My soul DOTH MAGNIFY The Lord, "

Luke 1:47
" And my spirit hath rejoiced IN GOD MY SAVIOUR. "

Luke 1:48
" For He hath regarded the low estate of His handmaiden; for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. "

Luke 1:49
" FOR HE THAT IS MIGHTY HATH DONE TO me GREAT THINGS; AND HOLY IS HIS NAME. "

Luke 1:50
" And HIS Mercy is ON them THAT FEAR [ = meaning to reverence, adore, and love Him; this is a condition] HIM from generation to generation. "

abiyah

12-13-2006, 08:42 PM

Ten

In researching these dates from the SECOND Course of Abia, we find that December 25th is when our Lord & Saviour, Immanuel, Jesus The Christ was conceived through The Power of The Holy Spirit, and it is when The Word of God became flesh, and it is when The Prophecy which was written of in Isaiah 7:14 was FUFILLED in that a 'virgin SHALL conceive'. Now many may say that the first course of Abia, being our December 6th -12th has been overlooked in bringing forth these conception dates, of both John The Baptist and Jesus The Christ. And many may wonder how is it that it was not the first course of Abia that Zacharias was serving. And well, we have one very good observation in The Word of God to help, and that being that 'IF' it were that Christ was born on December 25th than we would NOT have shepherd's abiding in the field keeping watch of their flocks, as the shepherd's at this time brought their sheep in from the fields somwhere around mid October of each year and the sheep were not left out in the fields in the winter time. And it is only within the last 20-25 years have sheep owners begun to take their sheep back out into fields for what is now commoningly known as 'winter grazing', and this is done only in the most high quality pastures and fields, and certainly was NOT done at all during the time of Christ.

Also, Joseph and Mary together went from Nazareth to Bethlehem [Luke 2:4-5] for the taxing of Cae'sar Augus'tus [Luke 2:1-2], a census which determined the taxes that the people would owe, and it is not likely that the Romans would do the census/taxing in the winter time as all the people would have to travel [ Luke 2:3 ]. And with Mary being full term in her pregnancy with The Christ Child would not likely be out in the dead of winter, it would be very cold during this season, and its not like they had a car.

In calculating these conception dates, first of John The Bapstist, from the dates of the second Course of Abia, we see that John would have been conceived somewhere around June 23rd/June 24th after Zacharias returned to his own home in Juda. Therefore John would have been born in late March of the following year. We know according to God's Word that Jesus Christ, Immanuel, was conceived six months AFTER Elisabeth had conceived John The Baptist, putting Jesus's Divine Conception through The Power of The Holy Spirit at December 25th; Therefore Christ's actual birth would have been somwhere around late September, either the 28th/ 29th of the following year, which would equal the 15th of Tisri of the Hebrew calender, which is the first day of The Feast of Tabernacles, that being September 28th. 

Merry CHRISTmas " )

(Message edited by Abiyah on December 13, 2006)

smyrna

12-13-2006, 08:43 PM

Abyiah,

Thank you for posting this and Merry Christmas to you and may God continue to bless you with His peace and protection.

It's a shame more scorn will be aimed towards you, and you will probably be accused falsely of many things contained in your posts here, but you are a courageous person and take no heed to the hecklers and agitators as you continue to plant your seeds.

llm

12-13-2006, 10:19 PM

Some scholars believe Jesus was born in the Spring of 4 BC. Mt 2 gives the fullest account of this. Jesus was born before the death of Herod. The same Herod that ordered the death of the children, the father of Archelaus. That Herod died shortly after the birth of Jesus. Josephus, and several other sources say Herod died late 4 early 3 BC. We learn from Luke 1:26 that John was 6 months older than Jesus, placing his birth in the fall of 5 BC.

terluvire

12-14-2006, 04:22 AM

Abiyah ! ! ! Wonderful study! You are a wonderful worker for our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

God bless,
Ter

david_munson

12-14-2006, 04:41 PM

I would tend to agree with Sept. as the birth date of Christ.
Many scholars believe it may have been closer to the 4th but that kind of accuracy is hard to achieve here.
September is the month most agreed upon.

Christmas is a pagan holiday of which very little relates to Christ and the gospel.
(there's a Satan Claus,LOL.)
In these days it's more closely related to department stores and bankruptcy than it is God's Word.

Well meaning Christians have polluted His birth with pagan rituals and tried to call it "Christian."

Have I rained on any ones parade?
Sorry but I hate merchandising in God's name.

How ever,
enjoy the day set aside for expressing your greatfulness to the father for His son.
Christ's mass is every day.

Shalom,
Dave

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abiyah

12-14-2006, 05:14 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif Well A Very Fine Morning to you Terluvire & Smyrna !

And a Very Merry & Blessed CHRISTmas to you both !

I just really love this time of the year.... and not for the commercial side of Christmas, but rather the spiritual aspect of it all, its just so Beautiful, The True Story found here in The Gospel of Luke Chapter One is one of my favorites in The Bible, however, I do not think I could choose just one 'favorite', as there are so many Beautiful, Wonderful, and Awesome True Stories within The Word of our LORD. And the best part is that they are ALL TRUE. " )

YEA ! What an exciting time this MUST have been for both Mary & Elisabeth, and when I read this Awesome Story of Truth, I can only imagine just how very great the joy and gladness of their hearts MUST have been, and then at the same time, I can also SEE how very humble both these women and servants of The LORD were, and well my heart is always moved by their Words
[Luke 1:41 -50].

And look how even John, a babe still in the womb, how even he LEAP for joy at The Presence of The Lord in Mary's womb. EXCITING !!! I thank The LORD our God for sending Immanuel, The Messiah, for keeping His Oath to us and to all, for His Word IS True, and indeed how He has brought such a Great Light to this World of darkness, and has given Salvation to ALL Peoples of the world, for whom so ever will BELIEVE [ John 3:16 ], and the thing is when you truly seek of This Truth, His Truth with all your heart, you actually do more than just believe you KNOW ! HALLELU'YAH !
I Thank God, for there is none GREATER GIFT, than This, that being The Holy One, Jesus Christ our Lord & Savior.

Well...... you all have a wonderfully blessed day. I know I will ! " ) And I hope you will too. : )

Agape,

Abiyah

smyrna

12-14-2006, 05:48 PM

Same to you Abiyah, and does your 'net handle have anything to do with the course of Abiyah?

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO All!

abiyah

12-14-2006, 08:39 PM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gifWell A Very Good Afternoon to you Smyrna !

LOL ! Actually... I chose ' Abiyah ' for a username/handle soley on account of its meaning,

Abiyah = Meaning ' Yah is my Father '

And although I do love the Story and all that had transpired during Zacharias's course in The Temple of The Lord. It was certainly very Awesome ..... all the things that Zacharias was told, and even seeing Gabriel... wow ! " ) But as I'm sure you know Symrna, there were a number of Abiyah's in The Bible, two being women, one of which was the mother of Hezekiah.

Agape,

Abiyah

david_munson

12-16-2006, 08:42 PM

All the merchandising aside,
it is really wonderful that God made a way to appease His Holiness as one of us in the form of His incarnate Son.

He achieved what was impossible for us to do by His death,burial and resurrection.
Just considering the suffering He endured when at any time He could have just spoke and destroyed every one that was involved in the process is beyond imagining.
There is just no way to comprehend the depth and height and width and length of God's Love.

Isaiah 55:8-11 really puts it straight when it says that His thoughts are not our thoughts and that His ways are not ours.

How many of us would give our own beloved son for someone who's desperately guilty?
Even while knowing that they would reject Him?

If you said yes,you're full of something.
We don't live that way in and of ourselves.
It's only by His empowerment through faith that we are able to do any thing pleasing to Him.

Sometimes we loose that perspective and begin to think more highly of ourselves than we should.
Jude 24-25 keeps it in perspective for me.
Jude:24 Now unto "Him that is able" to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
:25 To "the only wise God our Saviour", be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

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terluvire

12-25-2006, 03:27 AM

I stopped in quick to wish everyone a very

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

In Christ,
Ter

arron

12-25-2006, 03:39 AM

who care when JESUS was conceiveid or born. it could have been on july 4th for all i know. HE IS STILL GOD AND HE WAS BORN AND HE DIED AND HE WAS BURIED AND HE WILL COME AGAIN TO RECEIVE US ( THE CHURCH ) UNTO HIMSELF.

david_munson

12-25-2006, 03:07 PM

Mary did you know that your baby boy would one day walk on water?

Mary did you know that your baby boy will save our sons and daughters?

Did you know that your baby boy has come to make us new?

This child that you delivered will soon deliver you!

Mary did you know your baby boy will give sight to a blind man.

Mary did you know that your baby boy will calm a storm with His hand?

Did you know that your baby boy has walked where angels trod?

When you kissed your little baby , you've kissed the face of God?

The blind will see, The deaf will hear

The dead will live again, The lame will leap,

The dumb will speak The praises of the Lamb?

Mary did you know that your baby boy is Lord of all Creation?

Mary did you know that your baby boy will one day rule the nations.

Did you know that your baby boy is heaven's perfect Lamb?

This sleeping child you're holding is the great I Am?!
(Mary Did You Know? Words by Mark Lowry.)

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kimberlyfredrick

12-25-2006, 09:21 PM

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYONE!!!

Kim, Dylan and Taylor(Tay-Tay)Fredrick

yaqakallah

12-27-2006, 05:15 AM

Hello everyone!

Did not want to be one of those 'decievers' who come with different usernames. This is kimberlyfredrick. I have tried, without sucess, until recently to change my username to YaqaKallah. Those of you with strongs will recognize it's meaning in Hebrew:

yaqa=ababandon
kallah=bride/wife

hench, abandoned wife, very appropiate...LOL!

PS I hated that last name fredrick...LOL(he did not even call his kids etc. this christmas AGAIN!!!3 yrs in a row!)

Love to all!!!

ezekiel_37

01-03-2007, 08:24 PM

Don't worry about it Kim

God loves you and your kids.

Our Father has a way of turning all negative and evil to His good.

Somehow there is a silver lining in your predicament.

Stay in Faith friend.

in His service
c

ezekiel_37

01-03-2007, 08:28 PM

Hello llm

You wrote

Some scholars believe Jesus was born in the Spring of 4 BC. Mt 2 gives the fullest account of this. Jesus was born before the death of Herod. The same Herod that ordered the death of the children, the father of Archelaus. That Herod died shortly after the birth of Jesus. Josephus, and several other sources say Herod died late 4 early 3 BC. We learn from Luke 1:26 that John was 6 months older than Jesus, placing his birth in the fall of 5 BC.

I agree with your deduction about the birth of Christ being in Sept (probably festival time)

I am curious how you came to the conclusion that it was in app. 5 BC?

Thanks.
c

abiyah

12-25-2007, 02:57 AM

Isaiah 7:14
" Therefore, The LORD Himself SHALL give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear A Son, and shall call His Name Immanuel. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/triangle_right.gifImmanuel = meaning "God with us" or "with us is God"

Isaiah 9:6
" For unto us A Child is born, unto us A Son is given: and the government shall be upon His Shoulder; and His Name SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. "

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifGreetings Terluvire, Angie, Aviyah, Smyrna, Watchman, & Ezekiel;

Wishing you A Very Merry CHRISTmas, both to you and your families, and May the Warmth of His Spirit fill your hearts. God Bless.

Love,

Abiyah