To Whom It May Concern

[good-man2008]

Insulting our Prophet is freedom of expression, but criticism of a small Jew rabbi or a church is a big crime.

Bombarding the buildings which collapse onto our women and children is spreading democracy, but defending ourselves by killing the invaders and their agents is terrorism.


Look what your politicians say now:

The Guardian,
Saturday March 15 2008

Western governments must talk to terror groups including al-Qaida and the Taliban if they hope to secure a long-term halt to their campaigns of violence, according to Jonathan Powell, the man who for more than a decade was Tony Blair's most influential aide and adviser.



The abc.net

But proponents say Al Qaeda has established itself as a de facto power,whether the West likes it or not, and history shows militant movements are best neutralised by negotiation, not war


Now we advice you to read carefully this last message for you from Sheikh Osama Ben Laden who sent you several messages.

We advice you to take it seriously before it is too late, so you will regret but it will be unavailing.


May Our Mothers Be Bereaved Of Us If We Fail To Help The Messenger Of Allah (Peace And Blessings Of Allah Be Upon Him)


To the intelligent ones in the European Union: peace be upon he who follows the guidance.

This talk of mine is to you and concerns the insulting drawings and your negligence in spite of the opportunity presented to take the necessary measures to prevent their being repeated.

To begin, I tell you:

Hostility between human beings is very old, but the intelligent ones among the nations in all eras have been keen to observe the etiquettes of dispute and morals of fighting.

This is best for them, as conflict is ever changing and war has its ups and downs. However, you, in your conflict with us, have abandoned many of the morals of fighting in practice, even if you hold aloft its slogans in theory.

How it saddens us that you target our villages with your bombing: those modest mud villages which have collapsed onto our women and children. You do that intentionally, and I am witness to that. All of this [you do] without right and in conformity with your oppressive ally who -along with his aggressive policies- is about to depart the White House.

And it is no longer hidden from you that these savage acts haven't ended the war, but rather, increase our determination to cling to our right, avenge our people and expel the invaders from our country. And [you also know now] that these massacres are never erased from the memory of the peoples, and the effects of this are not hidden.

Although our tragedy in your killing of our women and children is a very great one, it paled when you went overboard in your unbelief and freed yourselves of the etiquettes of dispute and fighting and went to the extent of publishing these insulting drawings. This is the greater and more serious tragedy, and reckoning for it will be more severe. And I bring your attention to a telling matter, which is that despite your publishing of the insulting drawings, you haven't seen any reaction from the one and a half billion Muslims which includes an insult to the Prophet of Allah, Jesus the son of Mary (peace and prayers of Allah be upon him).



We believe in all of the Prophets (peace and prayers be upon them), and whoever detracts from or mocks any one of them is an apostate unbeliever. And here it is worth pointing out that there is no need to use as an excuse the sacredness you accord freedom of expression and the sacredness of your laws and how you won't change them.

If so, then on what basis were American soldiers exempted from being subject to your laws on your land? And on what basis do you suppress the freedom of those who cast doubt on the statistics of an historical event? In addition, you know that there is one man who can put an end to these drawings, if it mattered to him: the crownless king in Riyadh, who ordered your legal institutions to stop their investigations into the embezzlement of billions from the al-Yamamah deal, and Blair carried this out, and he is today your representative in the quartet.

To sum up, then, the laws of men which clash with the legislations of Allah the Most High are null and void, aren't sacred, and don't matter to us. And in addition, your practical stance towards the al-Yamamah deal requires you to admit that there are some values which are greater than your values. In closing, I tell you: if there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions

And it is amazing and to make light of others that you talk about tolerance and peace at a time when your soldiers perpetrate murder even against the weak and oppressed in our countries. Then came your publishing of these drawings, which came in the framework of a new Crusade in which the Pope of the Vatican has played a large, lengthy role.

And all of that is confirmation on your part of the continuation of the
war, as well as a testing of the Muslims in their religion: is the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) more beloved to them than themselves and their wealth? The answer is what you see, not what you hear, and may our mothers be bereaved of us if we fail to help the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

And peace be upon he who follows the guidance.


Sheik Osama Ben Laden may Allah protect him

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

hehehehehehehe

[truth_child]

and you bunch of muslims are a bunch of fools who do not believe in GOD but in the demon god allah. the reason you dont want our soldiers over there is because you want to be over here to rule

[truth_child]

well tough luck cause of the us has any sense she will stay and whip the devil out of you all the curses of GOD ALMIGHTY THE GREAT JEHOVAH THE FATHER OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

[aviyah]

Insulting our Prophet is freedom of expression, but criticism of a small Jew rabbi or a church is a big crime.

Bombarding the buildings which collapse onto our women and children is spreading democracy, but defending ourselves by killing the invaders and their agents is terrorism.


Look what your politicians say now:






Now we advice you to read carefully this last message for you from Sheikh Osama Ben Laden who sent you several messages.

We advice you to take it seriously before it is too late, so you will regret but it will be unavailing.


May Our Mothers Be Bereaved Of Us If We Fail To Help The Messenger Of Allah (Peace And Blessings Of Allah Be Upon Him)


To the intelligent ones in the European Union: peace be upon he who follows the guidance.

This talk of mine is to you and concerns the insulting drawings and your negligence in spite of the opportunity presented to take the necessary measures to prevent their being repeated.

To begin, I tell you:

Hostility between human beings is very old, but the intelligent ones among the nations in all eras have been keen to observe the etiquettes of dispute and morals of fighting.

This is best for them, as conflict is ever changing and war has its ups and downs. However, you, in your conflict with us, have abandoned many of the morals of fighting in practice, even if you hold aloft its slogans in theory.

How it saddens us that you target our villages with your bombing: those modest mud villages which have collapsed onto our women and children. You do that intentionally, and I am witness to that. All of this [you do] without right and in conformity with your oppressive ally who -along with his aggressive policies- is about to depart the White House.

And it is no longer hidden from you that these savage acts haven't ended the war, but rather, increase our determination to cling to our right, avenge our people and expel the invaders from our country. And [you also know now] that these massacres are never erased from the memory of the peoples, and the effects of this are not hidden.

Although our tragedy in your killing of our women and children is a very great one, it paled when you went overboard in your unbelief and freed yourselves of the etiquettes of dispute and fighting and went to the extent of publishing these insulting drawings. This is the greater and more serious tragedy, and reckoning for it will be more severe. And I bring your attention to a telling matter, which is that despite your publishing of the insulting drawings, you haven't seen any reaction from the one and a half billion Muslims which includes an insult to the Prophet of Allah, Jesus the son of Mary (peace and prayers of Allah be upon him).



We believe in all of the Prophets (peace and prayers be upon them), and whoever detracts from or mocks any one of them is an apostate unbeliever. And here it is worth pointing out that there is no need to use as an excuse the sacredness you accord freedom of expression and the sacredness of your laws and how you won't change them.

If so, then on what basis were American soldiers exempted from being subject to your laws on your land? And on what basis do you suppress the freedom of those who cast doubt on the statistics of an historical event? In addition, you know that there is one man who can put an end to these drawings, if it mattered to him: the crownless king in Riyadh, who ordered your legal institutions to stop their investigations into the embezzlement of billions from the al-Yamamah deal, and Blair carried this out, and he is today your representative in the quartet.

To sum up, then, the laws of men which clash with the legislations of Allah the Most High are null and void, aren't sacred, and don't matter to us. And in addition, your practical stance towards the al-Yamamah deal requires you to admit that there are some values which are greater than your values. In closing, I tell you: if there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions

And it is amazing and to make light of others that you talk about tolerance and peace at a time when your soldiers perpetrate murder even against the weak and oppressed in our countries. Then came your publishing of these drawings, which came in the framework of a new Crusade in which the Pope of the Vatican has played a large, lengthy role.

And all of that is confirmation on your part of the continuation of the
war, as well as a testing of the Muslims in their religion: is the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) more beloved to them than themselves and their wealth? The answer is what you see, not what you hear, and may our mothers be bereaved of us if we fail to help the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

And peace be upon he who follows the guidance.


Sheik Osama Ben Laden may Allah protect him


PSALM 2 "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings; be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Reap what you sow, AviYAH

[aviyah]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AKN4aviyah/images-AmericamPatriotism.jpg


O Lord God of Hosts, stretch forth, we pray thee, thine almighty arm to strengthen and protect the soldiers of our country. Support them in the day of battle, and in the time of peace keep them safe from all evil; endue them with courage and loyalty; and grant that in all things they may serve without reproach; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

[aviyah]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AKN4aviyah/198192b-UnitedWeStand.jpg


O Almighty Lord God, who neither slumberest nor sleepest; Protect and assist, we beseech thee, all those who at home or abroad, by land, by sea, or in the air, are serving this country, that they, being armed with thy defence, may be preserved evermore in all perils; and being filled with wisdom and girded with strength, may do their duty to thy honour and glory; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

[aviyah]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AKN4aviyah/418px-Jerusalem-coat-of-arms_svg-Je.png



O GOD, the God of Abraham, look upon thine everlasting covenant, and cause the captivity of Judah and Israel to return. They are thy people; O be thou their Saviour, that all who love Jerusalem and mourn for her may rejoice with her; for Jesus Christ’s sake, their Saviour and ours. Amen.

[truth_child]

amen to all the above post except the one from goodman allah is a demon god and muhammad or however one spells his name is a liar and adulterer a murderer and a stinking rascal who is burning in hell right now
leave isreal alone and the united states alone

[dobman53]

Bad-man 2008:

Allah????

Burn baby burn!!!

DIG!

When your host from the north Putin joins you in your panzer strike against Isreal, 150lb hail stones shall then show you the face of God!

He won't be comimg up out of a water well as some 12th Iman.

I dought you even know of any such things as you seem to know very little.

One day we will be as one though God will be seated on a throne in Jerusalem.

No where near that BLACK DRAPED empty chunk of cement you guys love to circle 7 times once in your life!!!

For good luck maybe you ought to give it a few circles for me.

If you did maybe those BLACK DRAPES might catch fire!!!

COOL!!!!

Tell ya what!

If God lets me, Maybe I'll toss you a water ballon across that bottom less gulf.

One drope is all you'll ask for.

DOB!

[truth_child]

that all the rich man asked for one drop

[raider]

that all the rich man asked for one drop

Truth_Child,

Do you think when Jesus gives water he is talking about H2O? When Jesus said: "give her strong meat" he was filling her tummy? Do you think Paul told the church that they still needed to be fed milk that everyone had false teeth and couldn't eat something tougher?

Now what is STRONG MEAT? Is pork stronger then beef? Is fish less potent for example then lamb?

Come on, this is all spiritual. Milk is good, but we are intended to advance past milk, it is the first teachings.
1 Peter 2:2
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
KJV
Hebrews 5:12
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
KJV
Matthew 10:42
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
KJV
2 John 8
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
KJV
John 4:14
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
KJV
Add to these verses that show that food is also related to the faith and the teachings, and consider that one in a spiritual body which the rich man was:
1 Corinthians 15:50
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV
I believe the rich man wanted some of the word of God but it was too late, his family still has the prophets.
Luke 16:29
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
KJV
This verse from Luke 16:19-31 is one of several, I wanted to keep this short.

Milk is basic teaching of salvation and some of the more basic Biblical teachings.

Meat is the advanced teachings.
Revelation 22:1
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
KJV
If one partakes of the water of life, they will never die.

All of these "food" references have a spiritual meaning.

Raider

[truth_child]

learn to rightly divide the truth whenit speak i have fed you with milk he is speaking spiritualy and when it says the rich man asked for one drop of water it was speaking literly

[raider]

learn to rightly divide the truth whenit speak i have fed you with milk he is speaking spiritualy and when it says the rich man asked for one drop of water it was speaking literly

What?

You know, they punish you for talking too much, but they say that my "what?" posting is too short!!! Go figure.

[truth_child]

well i had one on another thread say that i wrote many post that i ws a profilic writer what evre that is i write a lot because i stay home alone alot and just need to write or talk to someone and being a christian i write on christian boards.

[raider]

well i had one on another thread say that i wrote many post that i ws a profilic writer what evre that is i write a lot because i stay home alone alot and just need to write or talk to someone and being a christian i write on christian boards.

Well, I guess that will happen to me very soon, I am posting almost as fast as you do. At least in the threads that we both share.

[aviyah]

Philistines,

Now I advise you to read carefully the message of God Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth.

EZEKIEL CHAPTER 28

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, 2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. 4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. 11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD. 15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. 24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.[

NEWS FLASH PHILISTINES: Great Britain is Ephraim. The United States is one of the fellows of the whole house of Israel (the seed of Joseph). The Jews (in part) are Judah and Benjamin, our companions. Learn from HIS-story and recognize that you are precariously close to being trounched by your maker.

Reap what you sow, AviYAH

[truth_child]

thank GOD , JESUS WILL BRING US OUT SOMEDAY AND THE TROUBLE MAKERS WILL BE NO MORE AND THERE WILL BE PEACE IN THE VALLEY FOR me

[aviyah]

What say you red blooded Americans? Can we all come together and banish Jimmy Carter? He has outdone himself as a national embarrassment.:(

[raider]

What say you red blooded Americans? Can we all come together and banish Jimmy Carter? He has outdone himself as a national embarrassment.:(
How many of us have actually appreciated the great favour that Jimmy Carter had done for us all.

He allowed the Shaw of Iran to fall, this opened the path for Ayatollah Khomeini to come out of exile and take over as leader of Iran. This gave us our first terrorist nation. This is when the jet hijackings started taking place. It has formed the Middle East into the mess that it is today. And when someone tries to clean some of it up, like Bush, JIMMY CARTER has the guts to stand up and say that Bush is the worst president we ever had. I hope he meant after himself!

Why doesn't Jimmy go back to the peanut farm and "see what happens" like he did every time action was required on his part when HE was screwing up the world as president. Jimmy Carter is so stupid he doesn't even realize that he is a NON these days. He just won't go and rock in his chair. It is too much fun spinning books of garbage out to try to make himself look good.

[raider]

OK, Now that I have had a few minutes to cool off, I realize that God is in all things. God appoints all leaders.

WWII was terrible, but it lead to the planting of the Fig Tree:
Matthew 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV
Just as surely as I believe that WWII was used to plant the Fig Tree I believe that Carter was to get the ball rolling forward.

The UN is pushing Global Warming on us. Global warming is part of the Green Movement.

Revelation 6:8
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
KJV
pale: NT:5515
chloros (khlo-ros'); from the same as NT:5514; greenish, i.e. verdant, dun-colored:
KJV - green, pale.
Most of the flags of Islam contain green, and the Green Movement is moving us toward the "One World Order". God's plan is in motion.
Isaiah 1:7
7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
KJV
This verse may have nothing to do with NY or the World Trade Centers but I thought of it the first time I read this verse. It is a good verse:
Isaiah 30:25
25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
KJV
Strangers sure burned NY and brought down the towers!
Isaiah 5:20
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
KJV
This is going on on a daily basis. Look at all the evil that is going on and it is perfectly OK.
Isaiah 3:12
12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
KJV
This verse refers to weak and childish leaders. Gee, let's see? Anyone look at Washington lately.

One canditate told us a story about a uncle that he didn't have freeing the Jews from Auchweitz. But we better not call him on it, he just misspoke and another told us how she dodged sniper bullets while she was being honored by a band with children all around her. Yup, very adult serious people, we have nothing to fear! Sure.

Raider

[truth_child]

the jewish people whom i love and defend have been persecuted for years and years, the paistianains are trying to puh them into the sea. isreal has given away much of their land and do not need to give away anymore. the islamic nations asre against GOD ALMIGHTY and a re for the demon god allah, they are trying to rule the world. they need to be stoped in their tracks. they teach their children to blow themselves up and they will go to paradise which is a lie why dont their own leaders show that they beleibve that and blow themselves up instead of innocent people. there are no good muslims they all are killers. isreal will win out for GOD IS ON her side

[raider]

the jewish people whom i love and defend have been persecuted for years and years, the paistianains are trying to puh them into the sea. isreal has given away much of their land and do not need to give away anymore. the islamic nations asre against GOD ALMIGHTY and a re for the demon god allah, they are trying to rule the world. they need to be stoped in their tracks. they teach their children to blow themselves up and they will go to paradise which is a lie why dont their own leaders show that they beleibve that and blow themselves up instead of innocent people. there are no good muslims they all are killers. isreal will win out for GOD IS ON her side
You are right again Truth_Child. There is a DVD called "Islam, what the west needs to know". I just bought it and listened to it TWICE. It is very disturbing. It says mainly the verses that preach peace in the Koran are nullified by the verses saying to spread Islam.

This is another reason that I believe God is returning very soon. I hate to say it, but the war is lost already on our part. I say this because WE won't do a thing to stop it. We will politically correct ourselves right out of existence.

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-What-West-Needs-Know/dp/B000PE0GQO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1211985049&sr=1-1

I never was good at "book reports" but it also says to "be nice" until you can conquer.

Most of the people talking on the DVD were converted to Christians (I think). One said that they would act like they were "with us" when something was going on in the world, but when they were in private groups they were very happy to see that our soldiers died.

[truth_child]

if a muslim truly converts and repents and accept JESUS AS their LORD AND SAVIOR then they are saved and i will acepr them as my brother ir my sister in CHRIST but if they dont no way.
and if they are against isreal then they are not saved for they have not truly repented and beleived the bible

[aviyah]

One canditate told us a story about a uncle that he didn't have freeing the Jews from Auchweitz. But we better not call him on it, he just misspoke and another told us how she dodged sniper bullets while she was being honored by a band with children all around her. Yup, very adult serious people, we have nothing to fear! Sure.

Considering all of the Marxist statements coming out of the Obama camp, I wouldn't all together rule out the possibility that Obama does infact have roots in Communist Russia. :)

[aviyah]

I hate to say it, but the war is lost already on our part. I say this because WE won't do a thing to stop it. We will politically correct ourselves right out of existence.

I respectfully disagree.:)

8 "But thou, Israel, art My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham My friend.
9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art My servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of My righteousness.
11 Behold, all they that are incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contend with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.
13 For I the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee."
Isaiah 41: 8-13

Remember your roots, your inheritance, and our Father's promises. We have an everlasting covenant with the Almighty. When we uphold that covenant we have nothing to fear at all.

God Bless, AviYAH

[raider]

if a muslim truly converts and repents and accept JESUS AS their LORD AND SAVIOR then they are saved and i will acepr them as my brother ir my sister in CHRIST but if they dont no way.
and if they are against isreal then they are not saved for they have not truly repented and beleived the bible
We are on the same page.

[aviyah]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AKN4aviyah/bilde8yt.jpg

[turtle]

interesting reading. It would be hard for any muslim after getting saved. But you know God can put a strong wall around them like he does all of us.

turtle

[truth_child]

to raider...hey there havent seen you in a while guess i just havent been looking. yes if a muslim gets saved he/she will have a hard time but GOD ALMIGHTY , JESUS CHRIST THE HOLY GHOST will help him/her stand just hold on to the truth

[raider]

to raider...hey there havent seen you in a while guess i just havent been looking. yes if a muslim gets saved he/she will have a hard time but GOD ALMIGHTY , JESUS CHRIST THE HOLY GHOST will help him/her stand just hold on to the truth
Hi Truth_Child,

Was that addressed to me? I haven't had much to say lately, at least nothing that I fealt like debating. I have just been watching the world falling apart and wondering which direction the beast will rear it's ugly head from. From the looks of things that could happen almost any day now. :)

Raider

[truth_child]

yes raider the end is upon us all

[raider]

yes raider the end is upon us all

When one listens to the presidential elections and how everyone in the country is going to be given the love and care of a nursing mother, and all of this will be paid for by raising taxes. Well?
Daniel 11:20-21
20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
KJV
Of course this is not the only thing that I base my opinion on, I have a list, but it is one interesting factor. I doubt that Antichrist will appear in America, but he might, but it is interesting.

Raider

[truth_child]

i thnk the antichrist will appear in isreal or at least over ther and not in the u.s. and yes it seems the very end is upon us. i see the signs every day the raiseing of taxes the killings the hatred and such.

[raider]

i thnk the antichrist will appear in isreal or at least over ther and not in the u.s. and yes it seems the very end is upon us. i see the signs every day the raiseing of taxes the killings the hatred and such.

You are probably right. Things are happening very fast. I think the American economy is going to collaps very soon. Could this be "the deadly wound?"

[truth_child]

i really dont think the collaspe of the american economy will be the deadly wound. it may be used by the antichrist when he appears. but you know there are nations that will escape the direct ruling of the antichrist for it say some whenre in the bible i would have to look it up that diffeernt nations escape . i just dont feel the the u.s. will fall for evething the antichrist says. the u.s. is still abeliever in CHRIST even though many have gone far far away from the teachings. but you know i do believe we will all be tested (those who are left here when the antichrist comes) i beleive in the pretrib so this may not be on accordance with others beliefs. raider i do enjoy talking with you . most of the time you are pretty good but sometimes you come out wioth some off the wall stuff. and like me you get carried away with your beleifs but i can agree to disagree with you. so be good my pal

[raider]

Thanks Truth_Child,

I do tend to get passionate when I am trying to prove a point. Some may take it as anger or being pushy but I just get excited.


Anyway, I love our little debates, I sure do.

Raider

[truth_child]

i too like them sometime i tend to be well arrogant i guess but thats just me i am still willing to agree to disagree. i guess it is just human nature in us to do so. im not perfect got a long way to go. but i am saved and a beleiver and going on for GOD

[raider]

OK, so what happened with this conference? Did everyone go home and "get a life?" or what?

Just kidding, but there have been so few posts, guess I am going to have to find some subject to get everything stirred up.

Raider

[turtle]

OK, so what happened with this conference? Did everyone go home and "get a life?" or what?

Just kidding, but there have been so few posts, guess I am going to have to find some subject to get everything stirred up.

Raider

Maybe I can work with you on that department??? Or maybe I better stay out of it. Let's see how about a good ol fashion water melon spitting contest. lol

[raider]

Hi Turtle,

Works for me, I am starting to enter withdrawl!

I have a thought we can debate. Where did all the water go from Noah's flood, how about the north and south poles?

Not really, I have no idea but the thought did cross my mind yesterday.

If that had really happened it would have set global warming into an alarmist condition.

Raider

[raider]

Well, now that I think about it, perhaps the fact that nobody is saying anything about the Poles being covered with water and the gas levels indicate hundreds of thousands of years tend to make the "Noah's flood was more of a local flood" theory some credit.

I know everyone is going to thump their Bibles and say "the whole world" but since we can't agree that the races didn't come from Adam and Eve how are we going to agree on all the races not coming from Noah's family?

Oh no, another unwinable debate. C'mon Tuth_Child, Oneway and all the gang, let's argue with no proof at all. :D

For that matter, when Eve was called "the mother of all living" meaning that all people and races would come from her, why wasn't Noah's wife also "the mother of all living?"

Raider

[turtle]

Hi Turtle,

Works for me, I am starting to enter withdrawl!

I have a thought we can debate. Where did all the water go from Noah's flood, how about the north and south poles?

Not really, I have no idea but the thought did cross my mind yesterday.

If that had really happened it would have set global warming into an alarmist condition.

Raider

Well the Bible says I think it uses the word recede which if it did then the water went into the ground much like the Mississippi flood in the nineties. Or maybe it evaporated up. But either way it did it over time. Sometimes we fail to read the whole story, but when we look how long was Noah really in the ark. The answer will surprise you. No wonder he landed on a mountain top. It would still take time to recede. That is my arguementive side.

[raider]

Well the Bible says I think it uses the word recede which if it did then the water went into the ground much like the Mississippi flood in the nineties. Or maybe it evaporated up. But either way it did it over time. Sometimes we fail to read the whole story, but when we look how long was Noah really in the ark. The answer will surprise you. No wonder he landed on a mountain top. It would still take time to recede. That is my arguementive side.
Maybe God made the world smaller and the oceans just rose and then he restored the world to it's normal size and things were normal again.

There is the hollow earth theory too, the water went into a giant underground cavern.

[turtle]

Maybe God made the world smaller and the oceans just rose and then he restored the world to it's normal size and things were normal again.

There is the hollow earth theory too, the water went into a giant underground cavern.

If that is so how do you explain volcano's??? Seriously I doubt caverns.

turtle

[raider]

I didn't say it was so, I was kicking around some stupid ideas so we could jump start this conference. But now that you have made me think up a stupid answer to your question about volcanos, haven't you ever heard of heavy water?

Of course since all matter started out as hydrogen gas, water and lava are made from the same basic material, HYDROGEN. (but don't quote me, I could (and most likely am) wrong) ;)

[turtle]

I didn't say it was so, I was kicking around some stupid ideas so we could jump start this conference. But now that you have made me think up a stupid answer to your question about volcanos, haven't you ever heard of heavy water?

Of course since all matter started out as hydrogen gas, water and lava are made from the same basic material, HYDROGEN. (but don't quote me, I could (and most likely am) wrong) ;)

So since you admit you are wrong. Let see North and South pole and ice age of reasoning. I think there is an ice age between north and south and I am in it. Please Lord let it start snowing soon. I might need to climb a very high mountain to escape. Both sides you really got to be kidding me. So that is the whole problem then. No wonder the drill sergant mentality. I am upset with you, but i forgive easily, most of the time. Now the ice age in the middle. any theories how ice went north and the other went south. Did it slide down a pole.Or get shoved up one. No wonder you are mental.

[turtle]

So since you admit you are wrong. Let see North and South pole and ice age of reasoning. I think there is an ice age between north and south and I am in it. Please Lord let it start snowing soon. I might need to climb a very high mountain to escape. Both sides you really got to be kidding me. So that is the whole problem then. No wonder the drill sergant mentality. I am upset with you, but i forgive easily, most of the time. Now the ice age in the middle. any theories how ice went north and the other went south. Did it slide down a pole.Or get shoved up one. No wonder you are mental.

If you will be kind i will forgive if you will explain in plain english and soon. I am tried of games and my patience run very thin. And if it is running thin I am going to get mouthy.

[raider]

Thanks for the discussion. Sometimes it is a good thing to joke about what would otherwise be a very serious subject.

I know that there are many, a great many people that do not agree with my understanding of the Bible. However my understanding of the Bible works very well for me. It links me, my life and some of my other interests together in harmony with the Bible. Before I learned of the three world ages I had a contention in my life and faith. Here is what God said and here is a bunch of fossils that don't work with my faith. Now I have them resolved. I understand that others do not believe in the three world ages but I do and I have every right to believe so.

One person that I tried to discuss this with (in person, not here on Factnet), went into a recital of why the world (earth) is only 6,000 years old and God created it to be much older (or look much older, he was talking fast). But that doesn't work for me because God is not the author of confusion. Why would God create a world whos geological processes appear to be millions of years old including dinosaur bones (which never lived)?

I know, this verse is a bit out of context, but I believe it works here:
1 Corinthians 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
KJV
There is only one who would like us to believe something that conflicts with common sense since most of the rest of the Bible does make sense. There is one that would love for evolution to be the law of the land and for Churches to believe that the world is 6,000 years old. It would sure keep beliefs from being firm and it would keep making Christians looking foolish. Result, in the United States the Bible is almost a banned book in most schools and libraries. Score one for Antichrist and his movement.

Thanks, Raider

[turtle]

Thanks for the discussion. Sometimes it is a good thing to joke about what would otherwise be a very serious subject.

I know that there are many, a great many people that do not agree with my understanding of the Bible. However my understanding of the Bible works very well for me. It links me, my life and some of my other interests together in harmony with the Bible. Before I learned of the three world ages I had a contention in my life and faith. Here is what God said and here is a bunch of fossils that don't work with my faith. Now I have them resolved. I understand that others do not believe in the three world ages but I do and I have every right to believe so.

One person that I tried to discuss this with (in person, not here on Factnet), went into a recital of why the world (earth) is only 6,000 years old and God created it to be much older (or look much older, he was talking fast). But that doesn't work for me because God is not the author of confusion. Why would God create a world whos geological processes appear to be millions of years old including dinosaur bones (which never lived)?

I know, this verse is a bit out of context, but I believe it works here:
1 Corinthians 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
KJV
There is only one who would like us to believe something that conflicts with common sense since most of the rest of the Bible does make sense. There is one that would love for evolution to be the law of the land and for Churches to believe that the world is 6,000 years old. It would sure keep beliefs from being firm and it would keep making Christians looking foolish. Result, in the United States the Bible is almost a banned book in most schools and libraries. Score one for Antichrist and his movement.

Thanks, Raider

Actually I do not have an opinion on some of it. I do find it interesting but I like debunking it as well. Do you know what I mean. Some theories are literally theories. But I do believe there is a base for all born again believers. After that we will all know at the end of time. That is somewhere in Isaiah, i think maybe in revelations too, but what i find interesting is Ephesians clearly states for a christian one faith, one Lord, one baptism. and truth is that is the essentials. Yet we want to give alot of other dogma with it. I believe the word of God but I like to study from one end to another. I like nature and other things of that nature, but I have not really done much research that direction and probably won't to much. Now is that a problem. No, because we all have different interest. But I do not doubt for you science backs your beliefs as well as your faith. And if that be so, then you know how God design is so complex.