Questions About New CFCMI Structure

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So Lantis is now an Ex-pastor! I wonder if that means he has been "disfellowshipped"! One down! How many sex offenders to go?

Thomas is now Co-General Pastor.

co--1) a prefix signifying assiciation and accompanying action. 2) also meaning complement of. (American Heritage Dictionary)

co--can also mean a partnership of equal or subordinate nature.

So is Thomas equal to or subordinate to Paine? Time will tell!

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Regarding CFCMI who in the City of Norfolk, Community of Tidewater/Hampton Roads or Norfolk Naval Station who could we contact? Would the base CO or anyone in the Chaplains' Office really care? I spoke to one chaplain and he never heard of CFCMI. A chaplain is often transferred after 2 years. Some may stay longer if it is their last duty station before retiring.

I personally know of two sailors dragged into this organization. It still breaks my heart. I know from CFC's own web pages they are still luring young innocents into their boys' club. Just look at their photos.

[turningjapanese]

Yeah, I guess Dan is left high and dry...? Like I said, too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Oh, well.

I keep picturing Donald Trump, with his "onion loaf" hair, saying, "You're fired!" Oh, to be a fly on the wall in that meeting! hehe.

[John Cady]

Yeah, I guess Dan is left high and dry...? Like I said, too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Oh, well.

I keep picturing Donald Trump, with his "onion loaf" hair, saying, "You're fired!" Oh, to be a fly on the wall in that meeting! hehe.
I actually sent Dan an email, recommending he just leave CFCMI. No reply.

[turningjapanese]

He's probably still trying to get the knife out of his back!

[bramble]

Now that Wilson is replacing Brand as the Dean of the Fantasy College and Wilson is seen as being stricter with the single men, I wonder if a there were a tightening up of policy how would these single react? If Thomas is stricter than Paine might this cause some disention in the ranks? Would any of this trigger a walkout? Mutiny anyone?

[John Cady]

Now that Wilson is replacing Brand as the Dean of the Fantasy College and Wilson is seen as being stricter with the single men, I wonder if a there were a tightening up of policy how would these single react? If Thomas is stricter than Paine might this cause some disention in the ranks? Would any of this trigger a walkout? Mutiny anyone?
Thomas, in my past dealings with him, uses a lot of the same fear tactics to keep folks in line, especially the single men. He is very strict and controlling, and apparently has a vision of restoring many of L.R. Davis' policies, including enforcing the eunuchship doctrine. I believe many of those who will leave will likely be those who move from Waukegan or Florida. Fort Lauderdale has the most liberty of all the US congregations, and Waukegan was always seen by Thomas as being too lax in standards. Don't be fooled by any facade showing Thomas and Paine together. Thomas doesn't like Paine at all, and has been slowly muscling his way toward becoming the general pastor now that the whole operation is on his turf. Paine will remain onboard as a figurehead, but it is really Thomas who calls the shots.

Wilson is a clone of Thomas, only more boring. I sat through many of Wilson's sermons, and he is long-winded and dull...reminds me of my college professors. If anyone needs help going to sleep, listen to Wilson!

[bramble]

Thomas, in my past dealings with him, uses a lot of the same fear tactics to keep folks in line, especially the single men. He is very strict and controlling, and apparently has a vision of restoring many of L.R. Davis' policies, including enforcing the eunuchship doctrine. I believe many of those who will leave will likely be those who move from Waukegan or Florida. Fort Lauderdale has the most liberty of all the US congregations, and Waukegan was always seen by Thomas as being too lax in standards. Don't be fooled by any facade showing Thomas and Paine together. Thomas doesn't like Paine at all, and has been slowly muscling his way toward becoming the general pastor now that the whole operation is on his turf. Paine will remain onboard as a figurehead, but it is really Thomas who calls the shots.

Wilson is a clone of Thomas, only more boring. I sat through many of Wilson's sermons, and he is long-winded and dull...reminds me of my college professors. If anyone needs help going to sleep, listen to Wilson!

I wonder if any of these Oldheads would ever stand up to these pastors or just walk out. The ones I know seem a bit jaded and cynical especially of LRD. I do not see how anyone who can not take Davis seriously would ever dream of staying unless they are one of the pastors' pets. ($$$)

I'm suprised that they would keep Wilson! I though he was in on the 'parties' with Davis (per court records).

Wilson a natural sleep aid! (LOL):p

[John Cady]

I'm suprised that they would keep Wilson! I though he was in on the 'parties' with Davis (per court records).
Not only was Wilson implicated in the court records as being part of the sodomite activity, he is VERRRRRRY loyal to the bigwigs. He will not rock the boat. Plus, he is still a eunuch - the top eunuch in CFCMI. That makes him the model, or poster boy, for justifying the eunuchship doctrine as taught by the founder and head sodomite, L.R. Davis.

As for Lantis...he was implicated too, along with Joe Watson and Dick Brand, but we see how far that goes. If one is a supposed "eunuch" and decides to get married, you will get thrown under the bus too. I remember Brand and Watson both used to crow about being eunuchs, and now they got married. I never was part of that group, thank God. Lantis may have been a eunuch also, but I am not sure.

[bramble]

Not only was Wilson implicated in the court records as being part of the sodomite activity, he is VERRRRRRY loyal to the bigwigs. He will not rock the boat. Plus, he is still a eunuch - the top eunuch in CFCMI. That makes him the model, or poster boy, for justifying the eunuchship doctrine as taught by the founder and head sodomite, L.R. Davis.

As for Lantis...he was implicated too, along with Joe Watson and Dick Brand, but we see how far that goes. If one is a supposed "eunuch" and decides to get married, you will get thrown under the bus too. I remember Brand and Watson both used to crow about being eunuchs, and now they got married. I never was part of that group, thank God. Lantis may have been a eunuch also, but I am not sure.

I read somewhere that Lantis started out as a Eunich, I'm not sure of the source--someone who left CFCMI is all I know.

It is important to note that Virginia has no statute of limitations on 1st Degree Sexual Assault. Consider the motel stories about Davis. Sodomy depending on circumstances could fall under this. What I read about these young men being pimped (Davis' "stable" or "harem"--take your pick) I wonder if those involved in exploiting these men could still be prosecuted. Definately worth looking into.

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In my opinion if the pastors tighten the reins on the single men they may walk out. The young ones may not stand for it. The oldheads unless they really have their heads in the clouds are sick of the busy work and their ever deteriorating health to stay for much longer. Some continue to pay lip service, but inwardly resent being treated like slaves. The pastors are not intelligent enough or are too prideful to realize this fact.

It is an interesting phenomenon of CFCMI that the walkouts are often inner circle types or former inner circle types. From what I have read those who are that imbedded in cults are the least likely to leave.

There comes a time in a man's life for hobbies other than renovating abandoned buildings and trying to convert them into makeshift churches. WAKE UP GUYS!!

[cfcmi]

In my opinion if the pastors tighten the reins on the single men they may walk out. The young ones may not stand for it. The oldheads unless they really have their heads in the clouds are sick of the busy work and their ever deteriorating health to stay for much longer. Some continue to pay lip service, but inwardly resent being treated like slaves. The pastors are not intelligent enough or are too prideful to realize this fact.

It is an interesting phenomenon of CFCMI that the walkouts are often inner circle types or former inner circle types. From what I have read those who are that imbedded in cults are the least likely to leave.
I have been busy with my MySpace profile, and was told about this forum. I can share with you, as John has already, that I too was part of the inner circle of CFCMI when I walked out. Why is this such a phenomenon?

In recruiting cult members, there are usually two groups: an outer front and the inner circle. The outer front are the ones who are the positive image for the organization, and are perceived as the ones who are doing the will of God. They even move up in rank, earn awards...all the while fooling the masses (unknowningly) that their affiliation has a dark side to it. They give their time and money, and honestly believe it is going toward a greater good. The front members often will be the ones doing the invites, teaching Bible studies, looking people up, and so forth.

The inner circle consists of people from the front who have been screened over time by the leadership and perceived to be loyal to the true cause, and able to protect any dark secrets the organization wishes to hide. They sit in on the meetings, help approve policies, and establish the protocols that keep the organization running, and maintain the lavish lifestyles of the leadership. This assimilation is gradual, and follows the concept of boiling a frog: put the frog in cool water and slowly raise the temperature until frog realizes too late it is about to become the main course. At first when one is "welcomed" into the inner circle, it is viewed as a great honor; however, over time the eyes become opened and the ugly truth is made known.

In CFCMI, many of those who left from the inner circle were men who had extensive knowledge of the Bible. CFCMI stressed for many years the importance of knowing God's word (with their own slant), and the men were well-known teachers before their selection from among the masses. Also, since CFCMI also was at one time Pentecostal, many of the older men received the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Now, given those two factors, it must be noted that in the Word of God the Holy Ghost will direct us unto ALL truth.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

In most cases the men who were pulled in from the front held very high standards of integrity. One, because many of them truly wanted to follow God, and two, they wanted to be a good example of a believer and a member of the organization. As the men are drawn more into the inner workings of the CFCMI machine, they see major contradictions of what was told from the pulpit and how the leadership actually lived and conducted their business. Their own knowledge of Scripture coupled with Holy Ghost direction shows them there is something seriously wrong with the picture. The beautiful facade is gone, and now the true colors are in full view. What do they do?

Sadly, some have traded in their integrity and conviction for a position in the circle. Others tried to voice their concerns, thinking that the leaders will listen to the cries of an elder for change and reform. Still others become flat out disgusted by what they have seen, and walk out. In some cases these precious godly men are so badly burned they will never enter another church again, and even turn their backs on Jesus. With the advances in information technology, it is much more difficult for a cult to keep its secrets hidden, and easier for active members to contact ex-members without the leaders knowing about it. The inner circle crowd realize the testimony of those who walked out before them is too consistent to ignore, and realize they too have been royally deceived.

The bottom line is this: the main reason so many inner circle walkouts happen in CFCMI is because the men know the difference between right and wrong, and cannot live in an environment where there is a conflict of interest. Leaning on Jesus (that is pretty much all they have left in some cases), they leave on faith that this is the right thing to do.

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To CFCMI:

First of all, Welcome Aboard! Second of all, Welcome Home! How long have you been out of CFCMI?

From what I have read and what I personally know about some of the Oldheads they seem to lose their vim and vigor over time. I guess they wise up and that their bodies give out, too. It seems that a 20 or 30 year old is more likely to buy the party line from what I have seen. How long did it take you to go from supporting CFC to leaving? What did it take to finally get you to walk out?

Does one ever fall out of the inner circle? Do pastors change their minds about favored members?


I agree it is truly sad that some are so abused that they never attend church again. CFC can't be of God if that happens.

[bramble]

CFCMI: I have been busy with my MySpace profile, and was told about this forum. I can share with you, as John has already, that I too was part of the inner circle of CFCMI when I walked out. Why is this such a phenomenon?

Loved board! Sorry it's gone!

In recruiting cult members, there are usually two groups: an outer front and the inner circle. The outer front are the ones who are the positive image for the organization, and are perceived as the ones who are doing the will of God. They even move up in rank, earn awards...all the while fooling the masses (unknowningly) that their affiliation has a dark side to it. They give their time and money, and honestly believe it is going toward a greater good. The front members often will be the ones doing the invites, teaching Bible studies, looking people up, and so forth.

Bramble: I think some are attracted to CFC because they are either were practicing Christians in the first place, or non-practicing Christians. In either case they get curious, then later get played. I think their are still Front Oldheads who almost, but don't quite get it.

The inner circle consists of people from the front who have been screened over time by the leadership and perceived to be loyal to the true cause, and able to protect any dark secrets the organization wishes to hide. They sit in on the meetings, help approve policies, and establish the protocols that keep the organization running, and maintain the lavish lifestyles of the leadership. This assimilation is gradual, and follows the concept of boiling a frog: put the frog in cool water and slowly raise the temperature until frog realizes too late it is about to become the main course. At first when one is "welcomed" into the inner circle, it is viewed as a great honor; however, over time the eyes become opened and the ugly truth is made known.

Does an inner circle guy look/act a certain way? How would you describe a typical outer circle guy? Does being in for a long time deteming ones rank in CFC?

In CFCMI, many of those who left from the inner circle were men who had extensive knowledge of the Bible. CFCMI stressed for many years the importance of knowing God's word (with their own slant), and the men were well-known teachers before their selection from among the masses. Also, since CFCMI also was at one time Pentecostal, many of the older men received the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Now, given those two factors, it must be noted that in the Word of God the Holy Ghost will direct us unto ALL truth.

I do wonder how many in CFC truly know their Bible and how many find the archaic language of KJV to be a hinderance. Do some just accept whatever CFC says it says?

I believe the Holy Spirit dwells in all Christians. He will set us free in if we listen to Him. I fear that some Oldheads cannot discern spirits well and maybe do not recognise the voice of God. God doesn't talk to PFP alone. I wonder if PFP hears God anymore. We limit God when we don't listen to Him.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

In most cases the men who were pulled in from the front held very high standards of integrity. One, because many of them truly wanted to follow God, and two, they wanted to be a good example of a believer and a member of the organization. As the men are drawn more into the inner workings of the CFCMI machine, they see major contradictions of what was told from the pulpit and how the leadership actually lived and conducted their business. Their own knowledge of Scripture coupled with Holy Ghost direction shows them there is something seriously wrong with the picture. The beautiful facade is gone, and now the true colors are in full view. What do they do?

Sadly, some have traded in their integrity and conviction for a position in the circle. Others tried to voice their concerns, thinking that the leaders will listen to the cries of an elder for change and reform. Still others become flat out disgusted by what they have seen, and walk out. In some cases these precious godly men are so badly burned they will never enter another church again, and even turn their backs on Jesus. With the advances in information technology, it is much more difficult for a cult to keep its secrets hidden, and easier for active members to contact ex-members without the leaders knowing about it. The inner circle crowd realize the testimony of those who walked out before them is too consistent to ignore, and realize they too have been royally deceived.

I hope they have not sold out. I read that if a man is forced to go against his morals that he either goes insane (can't cope), or gives in (dead or numb conscience) or leaves (wises up). Those with any integrity will eventually leave (IMO) unless they still think they can patch things up. Even with LRD gone leadership seems to remain the same. They seem to lust more for $$$--that's the main difference.

The bottom line is this: the main reason so many inner circle walkouts happen in CFCMI is because the men know the difference between right and wrong, and cannot live in an environment where there is a conflict of interest. Leaning on Jesus (that is pretty much all they have left in some cases), they leave on faith that this is the right thing to do.[/quote]

I think keeping in touch with those on the inside is critical, but not always easy. We can be there for them when they do walk out. Following Jesus is not a leap in the dark, rather an educated guess, a personal relationship waiting to be built.

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I've read that CFCMI has ups and downs: promotions, demotions, inner circle, outer circle. Lantis for one, was promoted, fired, then reinstated. I wonder if this is a way to keep the men on their toes.

I wonder why those who are demoted from important positions still stay. I wonder how pastors regard them to demote them then promote them. It sounds like some mind game to me.

[turningjapanese]

Lantis probably threatened them; but of course that would mean inplicating himself. They probably negotiated a deal....a deal between liars and theives. Interesting.

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Lantis probably threatened them; but of course that would mean inplicating himself. They probably negotiated a deal....a deal between liars and theives. Interesting.

...so is there honor among thieves?

[turningjapanese]

Good question.

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How much of a threat is Pastor Wilson. We know that he was involved in Davis' escapades. (see transcripts) We know that he is gay. We know that he is the Head Eunich.

What I don't know is whether he lives in staff housing with the Single Men. Is he a threat to the Single Men like Davis was?

Is there still staff housing? As far as I can tell there seems to be. I don't know just how overcrowded it is.

[John Cady]

How much of a threat is Pastor Wilson. We know that he was involved in Davis' escapades. (see transcripts) We know that he is gay. We know that he is the Head Eunich.

What I don't know is whether he lives in staff housing with the Single Men. Is he a threat to the Single Men like Davis was?

Is there still staff housing? As far as I can tell there seems to be. I don't know just how overcrowded it is.
When he lived in Waukegan, Bruce owned his own home and a few "select" men (men whom Bruce thought were most loyal to CFCMI) as roommates. Two of those men - one was an assistant pastor - left in 2006. I keep in touch with one of the guys, and the former assistant pastor moved back home to Arkansas. Both men completely disagreed with the uplifting of the sodomizing pedophile known as Davis; Bruce is probably the chief sodomite as well as the head eunuch under the current regime.

In Norfolk, Bruce probably has his own house, and has the same living arrangements. The majority of the single men live in the renovated crackhouses on Ocean View. I perceive Bruce Wilson as a different threat...not like L.R., who was a predator, but more like a queer version of Ed Thomas. Wilson is just as much a control freak as Thomas is, and equally smooth in his delivery. Wilson, however, is absolutely boring in his sermons as I mentioned previously.

Ed Thomas is pretty keen about the occupancy laws in Virginia, so the assignments are spread out to where only two or three men share an apartment. This is a lot different from the old days in Waukegan when the single men were crammed in the Karcher Hotel.

[turningjapanese]

I perceive Bruce Wilson as a different threat...not like L.R., who was a predator, but more like a queer version of Ed Thomas.

WHAT??!!! OMG!!! LOL!!!!

[bramble]

When he lived in Waukegan, Bruce owned his own home and a few "select" men (men whom Bruce thought were most loyal to CFCMI) as roommates. Two of those men - one was an assistant pastor - left in 2006. I keep in touch with one of the guys, and the former assistant pastor moved back home to Arkansas. Both men completely disagreed with the uplifting of the sodomizing pedophile known as Davis; Bruce is probably the chief sodomite as well as the head eunuch under the current regime.

In Norfolk, Bruce probably has his own house, and has the same living arrangements. The majority of the single men live in the renovated crackhouses on Ocean View. I perceive Bruce Wilson as a different threat...not like L.R., who was a predator, but more like a queer version of Ed Thomas. Wilson is just as much a control freak as Thomas is, and equally smooth in his delivery. Wilson, however, is absolutely boring in his sermons as I mentioned previously.

Ed Thomas is pretty keen about the occupancy laws in Virginia, so the assignments are spread out to where only two or three men share an apartment. This is a lot different from the old days in Waukegan when the single men were crammed in the Karcher Hotel.

If Wilson is indeed a gay, control freak, pastor then IMO, he sounds a lot like Davis. I can't say for sure as I was never a CFC member. I just hope that he is not a threat the way Davis was. I imagine he could be intimidating just from what you say.

Maybe he more persuasive and less into physical force. I still don't like the sound of it. It is a bit disconcerting.

[turningjapanese]

I wouldn't worry about it...Now that Norfolk is heavy on the "cowboys", light on the "indians", Bruce probably won't get a lot of airtime.

Most likely he'll spend his time in a locker room-turned office, working on his phony-baloney "college".

peace, tj

[Hostile Duty]

Welcome aboard! Great and highly accurate post.

I have been busy with my MySpace profile, and was told about this forum. I can share with you, as John has already, that I too was part of the inner circle of CFCMI when I walked out. Why is this such a phenomenon?

In recruiting cult members, there are usually two groups: an outer front and the inner circle. The outer front are the ones who are the positive image for the organization, and are perceived as the ones who are doing the will of God. They even move up in rank, earn awards...all the while fooling the masses (unknowningly) that their affiliation has a dark side to it. They give their time and money, and honestly believe it is going toward a greater good. The front members often will be the ones doing the invites, teaching Bible studies, looking people up, and so forth.

The inner circle consists of people from the front who have been screened over time by the leadership and perceived to be loyal to the true cause, and able to protect any dark secrets the organization wishes to hide. They sit in on the meetings, help approve policies, and establish the protocols that keep the organization running, and maintain the lavish lifestyles of the leadership. This assimilation is gradual, and follows the concept of boiling a frog: put the frog in cool water and slowly raise the temperature until frog realizes too late it is about to become the main course. At first when one is "welcomed" into the inner circle, it is viewed as a great honor; however, over time the eyes become opened and the ugly truth is made known.

In CFCMI, many of those who left from the inner circle were men who had extensive knowledge of the Bible. CFCMI stressed for many years the importance of knowing God's word (with their own slant), and the men were well-known teachers before their selection from among the masses. Also, since CFCMI also was at one time Pentecostal, many of the older men received the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Now, given those two factors, it must be noted that in the Word of God the Holy Ghost will direct us unto ALL truth.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

In most cases the men who were pulled in from the front held very high standards of integrity. One, because many of them truly wanted to follow God, and two, they wanted to be a good example of a believer and a member of the organization. As the men are drawn more into the inner workings of the CFCMI machine, they see major contradictions of what was told from the pulpit and how the leadership actually lived and conducted their business. Their own knowledge of Scripture coupled with Holy Ghost direction shows them there is something seriously wrong with the picture. The beautiful facade is gone, and now the true colors are in full view. What do they do?

Sadly, some have traded in their integrity and conviction for a position in the circle. Others tried to voice their concerns, thinking that the leaders will listen to the cries of an elder for change and reform. Still others become flat out disgusted by what they have seen, and walk out. In some cases these precious godly men are so badly burned they will never enter another church again, and even turn their backs on Jesus. With the advances in information technology, it is much more difficult for a cult to keep its secrets hidden, and easier for active members to contact ex-members without the leaders knowing about it. The inner circle crowd realize the testimony of those who walked out before them is too consistent to ignore, and realize they too have been royally deceived.

The bottom line is this: the main reason so many inner circle walkouts happen in CFCMI is because the men know the difference between right and wrong, and cannot live in an environment where there is a conflict of interest. Leaning on Jesus (that is pretty much all they have left in some cases), they leave on faith that this is the right thing to do.