Disgusting.

[turningjapanese]

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THEY ARE SELLING LR DAVIS PEDOPHILE GARBAGE ON THEIR WEBSITE.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW; HOW DID THESE MESSAGES GET "ANOINTED"?

BY THE WAY, ANOINTED MEANS TO APPLY OIL AS A SIGN OF SANCTIFICATION IN A RELIGIOUS CEREMONY.

THIS MATCHES HIS M.O. FOR MOLESTING ALL THOSE SAILORS AND EVENTUALLY THE YOUNG BOYS THAT REPORTED HIM. L.R. IS DEAD. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ORGANIZATION IS STILL BEING RUN BY THE "PASTORS" WHO WERE COMPLICIT IN THESE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.

AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES A CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

FROM THEIR WEBSTORE:

Pastor L.R. Davis Sermon Collection
4 CD Set

God's Word applies the same today as it did yesterday, and in all days to come. This collection features a special selection of founding Pastor L.R. Davis' anointed messages. Each message is worth it's weight in Spiritual gold. Get 'em now!

Featuring: "He That Hath an Ear", "How Pure Is Your Heart?", Saved By Grace", and "Killing the Giants"

4 CD Set $20.00

[John Cady]

As disgusting as the truth is about Davis, CFCMI can advertise those CDs all they want. They do not sell. When I was in Norfolk, we had vast numbers of tapes, booklets, and CDs of Davis collecting dust because deep down most of us knew or suspected the pervert was guilty. Who would want a reminder in their CD player or computer?

[turningjapanese]

When they moved to Norfolk, did the Paines bring with LR's favorite couch cushions...or were those tossed prior to the trial?

Wonder if they used DNA evidence back then...Ewww.

[turningjapanese]

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http://www.geocities.com/cfcmi/sexcharges.htm

http://www.geocities.com/cfcmi/ministerluredsailor.htm

http://www.geocities.com/cfcmi/ministercharged.htm




Matthew 7:15-21 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[bramble]

I was going over some of the old posts on the ABC site. Some former CFC Waukegan members seem to think that LRD abused his own children. One of them saw something going on in his office. This incident later convinced him to leave. It sounds like he later withdrew his children from their school shortly thereafter. He also describes a run-in with Paine.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Why is it, that some many are ready to condemn "so-called" protestant ministers but refuse to condemn Roman priest for doing the same thing?

[bramble]

Why is it, that some many are ready to condemn "so-called" protestant ministers but refuse to condemn Roman priest for doing the same thing?

To give you an idea, CFCMI is an Apostolic/UPC splinter.

BTW: There is no "Roman" religion. If you mean Catholic--(my definition of it, not YOURS) even among Catholics there has been a great deal of criticism of Catholic clergy for immoral acts. Over the past several years priests and enabling bishops have been removed from office. Some have seen prison time. Conversely, CFCMI has covered up similar offenses and still is. L.R. Davis spent his final years on this Earth in a prison in Illinois. That is public record. Please read www.abusivechurches.org (http://www.abusivechurches.org), or www.myspace.com/cfcmi (http://www.myspace.com/cfcmi) I'm sure there are sex offenders who are athiests or agnostics, too. Clergy sex abuse can happen in any religion. It is how it is handled that makes the difference.

Speaking of roamin' you seem to spend your time roamin' the boards giving everyone a hard time and splitting hairs. As far as I know you were not part of CFCMI. IMO, you don't know anyone who is, or ever was in CFCMI. You tell no one what you believe in. It's easy for you to point fingers, but we are put at a distinct disadvantage because you won't share anything about yourself. For all I know you could be an Athiest.

Are you here to find friends? Were you or someone you love involved in a cult? Will you ever address anyone's questions?

If you have a beef with Catholics--(MY Definition--not yours)--kindly place it on the "Catholic" thread. I will be happy to address your concerns.

God Bless!

[bramble]

When they moved to Norfolk, did the Paines bring with LR's favorite couch cushions...or were those tossed prior to the trial?

Wonder if they used DNA evidence back then...Ewww.


O. J. Simpson's murder trial was the first case I remember using DNA evidence. It made 'PCR' a household word. That was around the year 1994. It dragged on for years...I don't know if he is behind bars for subsequent crimes. (2007)

[turningjapanese]

Regardless of what religion one is affiliated with, a molester is a molester is a molester.

This is the CFCMI thread, where we are discussing LR Davis in particular.

LR Davis was a Sociopath. (commonly, psychopath, or just plain psycho.) See Link:

http://www.geocities.com/lycium7/hare-checklist.html


And since we are in the DISGUSTING thread, it is DISGUSTING that:

1. A psychopath was able to start a church as a front to molest sailors.
2. Nobody in his family had the courage to put an end to it.
3. LR started a school, where LITTLE CHILDREN attended.
4. He most likely terrorized his own family; ask Hazel about that...
5. LRs picture is hanging in a church, and called a "great man of God."
6. His delusional rants are still being called "annointed visions"
7. His sons-in-laws still try to cover for his illicit and immoral behaviors
8. No apology was offered to his many victims
9. His "church" is still promoting oddball concepts that stemmed from narcissistic fantasy
10. Nobody seems to care about how his victims were profoundly affected by his actions, or how this organization is still propegating his legacy.

Sociopaths show NO REMORSE for what they have done. They are not 'connected' to their emotions, and therefore cannot 'connect' with anyone elses'. They are motivated by power and sex, are extremely manipulative and controlling, and try to lie their way out of their behaviors, to the point of passing a lie detector. Horribly, they think of other people only as a means to serve their own needs. Any "good" they do is merely done as image-preservation that enables them to continue on their path of self-absorbed destruction.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Regardless of what religion one is affiliated with, a molester is a molester is a molester.

This is the CFCMI thread, where we are discussing LR Davis in particular.

LR Davis was a Sociopath. (commonly, psychopath, or just plain psycho.) See Link:

http://www.geocities.com/lycium7/hare-checklist.html


And since we are in the DISGUSTING thread, it is DISGUSTING that:

1. A psychopath was able to start a church as a front to molest sailors.
2. Nobody in his family had the courage to put an end to it.
3. LR started a school, where LITTLE CHILDREN attended.
4. He most likely terrorized his own family; ask Hazel about that...
5. LRs picture is hanging in a church, and called a "great man of God."
6. His delusional rants are still being called "annointed visions"
7. His sons-in-laws still try to cover for his illicit and immoral behaviors
8. No apology was offered to his many victims
9. His "church" is still promoting oddball concepts that stemmed from narcissistic fantasy
10. Nobody seems to care about how his victims were profoundly affected by his actions, or how this organization is still propegating his legacy.

Sociopaths show NO REMORSE for what they have done. They are not 'connected' to their emotions, and therefore cannot 'connect' with anyone elses'. They are motivated by power and sex, are extremely manipulative and controlling, and try to lie their way out of their behaviors, to the point of passing a lie detector. Horribly, they think of other people only as a means to serve their own needs. Any "good" they do is merely done as image-preservation that enables them to continue on their path of self-absorbed destruction.

Many of your comments could easily apply to many. John Wesley was a womanizer. Charles Fox Parham, founder of white pentecostalism, was a pedophile. William Seymour, founder of black pentecostalism, was a racist. Finis Jennings Dake, author of the Dake Bible, was convicted of taking a sixteen-year-old-girl across state lines for immoral purposes. The Roman church is certainly no lily. During the Inquistition they murdered millions for simply disagreeing with the pope. The pope ordered the death of half the population of Germany to get at Martin Luther. The latest sex scandal is not even the tip of the iceberg for the Roman church.

My mammy taught me to sweep my own backporch before sweeping someone else's.

[bramble]

Many of your comments could easily apply to many. John Wesley was a womanizer. Charles Fox Parham, founder of white pentecostalism, was a pedophile. William Seymour, founder of black pentecostalism, was a racist. Finis Jennings Dake, author of the Dake Bible, was convicted of taking a sixteen-year-old-girl across state lines for immoral purposes. The Roman church is certainly no lily. During the Inquistition they murdered millions for simply disagreeing with the pope. The pope ordered the death of half the population of Germany to get at Martin Luther. The latest sex scandal is not even the tip of the iceberg for the Roman church.

My mammy taught me to sweep my own backporch before sweeping someone else's.

Were that true you could tell us:
what faith tradition you belong to,
if you were ever in a cult,
why you air everyone else's dirty laundry, but never your own,
where got your degree,
if you believe in God etc.
what Churches you do like...

IMO, you don't seem to like any Church, but I think your comments about Seymour and Parham are very good and much on topic. LR Davis came from a pedephile UPC parish and was abused himself. He went on for decades abusing men and boys and a few young women. He died in 1999.

(You comments of the Inquistion are a bit confused. It never took place in Germany--that was the "30 Years War". The Inquistion was in France, Italy, and Spain. Check out my new thread on the Catholic Groups board. We can talk more there about this.:))

There are many sex scandals these days. Some have to do public school teachers who don't officially represent any religion. Remember we are all sinners and all fall short of the grace of God. As long as there are people there will be sin and scandal.

This is the CFCMI thread. In future we should confine our comments to CFCMI or related topics. UPC would apply, however.

God Bless!

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Mr. Bramble:

Quoting: "You comments of the Inquistion are a bit confused. It never took place in Germany--that was the "30 Years War". The Inquistion was in France, Italy, and Spain. Check out my new thread on the Catholic Groups board. We can talk more there about this."
End quote.

You would be served well reading a history instead of the Roman guide book. The Inquistition took place on the American continent as well. As to origins, all error began in the Roman church.

[bramble]

Mr. Bramble:

Quoting: "You comments of the Inquistion are a bit confused. It never took place in Germany--that was the "30 Years War". The Inquistion was in France, Italy, and Spain. Check out my new thread on the Catholic Groups board. We can talk more there about this."
End quote.

You would be served well reading a history instead of the Roman guide book. The Inquistition took place on the American continent as well. As to origins, all error began in the Roman church.

Please cite your sources, sir. I learned this in high school history. My high school wasn't a Catholic one either.

In future, all comments on this topic will be addressed on the appropriate thread, not here.

[turningjapanese]

Yes, please continue your discussion elsewhere. I prefer we stay on-topic here.

I'm glad for what your mammy taught you; I agree.

Mine taught me to stand up for those who are unable to stand for themselves.

Peace,
tj

[turningjapanese]

I had a question, so I thought I'd add it to the Disgusting thread.

So here goes:

HOW are LR's FORMER LOVERS treated in the church? I mean, SOME of LR's FORMER LOVERS still attend CFCMI. How does HAZEL deal with the fact that these men slept with her husband? Some did willingly, some were coerced; but the reality is that LR's conquests are still congregating and fellow-shipping.

How can she look them in the eye? How do Deb and Pam deal with the fact that these men participated in homosexual liasons with her father?


I thought of this while I was perusing through the transcripts; around June 26, 1992 pages 1180-1190 at Abusivechurches.com

[bramble]

I had a question, so I thought I'd add it to the Disgusting thread.

So here goes:

HOW are LR's FORMER LOVERS treated in the church? I mean, SOME of LR's FORMER LOVERS still attend CFCMI. How does HAZEL deal with the fact that these men slept with her husband? Some did willingly, some were coerced; but the reality is that LR's conquests are still congregating and fellow-shipping.

How can she look them in the eye? How do Deb and Pam deal with the fact that these men participated in homosexual liasons with her father?


I thought of this while I was perusing through the transcripts; around June 26, 1992 pages 1180-1190 at Abusivechurches.com

I'm guessing she too was brow beaten, battered and brain washed. She probably thought him to be a prophet. I imagine her to be an enabler. He also abused their children--Debbie for sure. I could look up the thread where this appears on ABC.

I think those men in CFC expect women to be submissive with the exception of Deb and Pam. They are truly the ones in charge--not their husbands.

[John Cady]

HOW are LR's FORMER LOVERS treated in the church? I mean, SOME of LR's FORMER LOVERS still attend CFCMI. How does HAZEL deal with the fact that these men slept with her husband? Some did willingly, some were coerced; but the reality is that LR's conquests are still congregating and fellow-shipping.

How can she look them in the eye? How do Deb and Pam deal with the fact that these men participated in homosexual liasons with her father? I thought of this while I was perusing through the transcripts; around June 26, 1992 pages 1180-1190 at Abusivechurches.com
Hazel has conditioned herself to live in a perpetual state of denial of anything associated with her late husband's sins. She does not usually associate with too much of anyone outside the leadership or the family, so she does not need to look anyone in the eye for the most part.

Pam also lives in a conditioned state of denial, too. Debbie is a different story. Stories, though uncomfirmed, circulated around the CFCMI camp that Debbie also had affairs with some of the men LR used. In fact, one ex-member allegedly caught Debbie and LR in the act, though once again there is insufficient evidence on this.

If there is proof these events occurred, then the CFCMI soap opera is even more disgusting than this thread's authors could have imagined. Sloppy seconds, incest, abortions, adultery, sodomy...this joint had it all!

Yuck.

[bramble]

Hazel has conditioned herself to live in a perpetual state of denial of anything associated with her late husband's sins. She does not usually associate with too much of anyone outside the leadership or the family, so she does not need to look anyone in the eye for the most part.

Pam also lives in a conditioned state of denial, too. Debbie is a different story. Stories, though uncomfirmed, circulated around the CFCMI camp that Debbie also had affairs with some of the men LR used. In fact, one ex-member allegedly caught Debbie and LR in the act, though once again there is insufficient evidence on this.

If there is proof these events occurred, then the CFCMI soap opera is even more disgusting than this thread's authors could have imagined. Sloppy seconds, incest, abortions, adultery, sodomy...this joint had it all!

Yuck.

I wonder from what I have read about CFCMI on ABC if some of these women don't suffer from post-abortion trauma or post tramatic stress disorder--especially if these allegations are true.

I've read a lot about feisty, bossy, angry women in CFCMI. I've read about men who have trouble dealing with them and visa versa.

[turningjapanese]

I think these followers suffer from a lot of things; just ask any "survivor" how hard it is to get back to "reality" once you pull your head out of the fog. It can't be easy.

As for the women; I'm sure the leadership "hates" them on many levels; they are perceived as being too much of a threat to their "all-menz" gravy train. And I've read that Pam and Deb are so insecure that they get "jealous" of other women very easily. So again that fosters an anti-woman sentiment within that organization. So women get "labeled" as bossy, rude, temptresses, "gossip bags" or whatever. An "inferior" position is designated to them, (to counteract the threat) and they are expected to be subservient. I guess Hazel would set the standard for that.

The role of women in CFCMI would definetly be an interesting topic for discussion, probably deserving of it's own thread.

[turningjapanese]

I think it is REALLY DISGUSTING, yet very reavealing, how CFC blatantly "asks" for donations, yet shows no accountability for spending or where the money goes (other than Ed's garage.)


On a hunch, I checked various other church sites, (different denominations, different states.) Out of those church websites I saw, most did NOT provide a link for online donations. Most were supporting some ongoing humanitarian efforts, but no pleas for money were mentioned. A few had one link. Several other churches were accepting/encouraging donations for specifics....backpacks for needy schoolkids, socks for homeless men etc...

On CFCMI's main webpage, there are 4 links where one is "encouraged" to donate.

And CFC still offers a "resource center" where you can purchase the psychotic narrative of their founding pedophiliac "Bishop" on DVD for 20 bucks. Plus shipping.