Single Men

[turningjapanese]

From what I know, CFCMI recruits heavily from the military. Men are encouraged to stay single, to "serve" the "church". Currently, are there young guys doing this, or does this core group now consist of aging old men? What purpose do these older men serve? Obviously, they have never made it to the rank of Pastor --Does anyone know how many are left, committed to this lifestyle? Do they live communally? It seems pretty creepy to me.

[bramble]

There is a funny post on www.abusivechurches.org one of these photos concerns the single men. I'm not qualified to answer your question. Too bad that other guy has gone away.

[turningjapanese]

I am not sure what post/single man you are referring to...

[bramble]

I am not sure what post/single man you are referring to...

Under the heading CFCMI there is a thread about Truth in Advertising or what CFC signs outside their church should really say if they were honest. It really cracked me up.

[John Cady]

From what I know, CFCMI recruits heavily from the military. Men are encouraged to stay single, to "serve" the "church". Currently, are there young guys doing this, or does this core group now consist of aging old men? What purpose do these older men serve? Obviously, they have never made it to the rank of Pastor --Does anyone know how many are left, committed to this lifestyle? Do they live communally? It seems pretty creepy to me.
Many of the single men who still attend CFCMI now are in their late 40s and 50s. They have been institutionalized for so long they would not walk away even if shown the door.

In the movie "Instinct", this was pointed out by Anthony Hopkins to Cuba Gooding as a gorilla whose cage was opened would not venture out to freedom.

This core of aging men serve the purpose as they did when younger: free labor for the pastorship. Most of them give large amounts of money to the church so they must live communally or be homeless. Some of them signed on to this lifestyle under the premise they would be sent out to preach elsewhere; this rarely happens. None of them will ever make it to "Pastor" unless they are hand-picked by the top brass...most of these men have been there so long they lack the social interaction skills to be effective in the ministry.

Sadly, the CFCMI leadership have no plans as to how to tend to the needs of these men as they get older and will one day not be able to provide the free labor.

[John Cady]

bramble: "I just hope that the few remaining oldeads will leave when they realize they are being asked to fix up another abandoned dump--just to be asked to move into yet another down the road. IMO this building will probably remain in use for 6 mo. to 5 yrs. then CFCFMI will fold for good. IMO Oldheads will remain until Thomas cuts and runs with all the loot and pulls the rug out from under them. The younger single men will have an easier time picking up and moving on. The oldheads will be best off moving back to their hometowns wherever they orginally came from."

That is probably true, except that unfortunately many of the oldheads destroyed ties with family and friends years ago thanks to Davis and company. They replaced parents, family, etc. with the CFCMI leadership; therefore once they are finally abandoned the oldheads will have no one to turn to for help, and no place to go. My biggest concern is that a lot of these guys will wind up homeless, destitute, and lonely...and quite bitter and resentful of the wasted years spent in that place.

To the single men still there: Guys, Ed and Pete do not care what happens to you. They lie about your friends after they leave; I know they have lied about me since I walked out five years ago. All they care about is your availability to do whatever they bid, and that you line their pockets with your hard-earned paychecks. Most of you are far better teachers and more spiritual than they will ever be...leave, find a good church, and let God truly use you!

God bless in Jesus' name, John

[bramble]

My greatest fear is that after the pastors make off with all the loot and close CFCMI for good is what will become of the single men. I fear that these men will quickly run off to join an almost identical cult to CFCMI.

Sociologist state that those leaving cults will often quickly run off and join others. Why?

LOVE BOMBING: They are addicted to the attention that recruiters give to them. They really need companionship. What they really get is a bait and switch. The unconditional love quickly becomes conditional after they commit to their new group.

BEHAVIORAL CONTROL: Ex-cult members have difficulty deciding what to eat for breakfast--I read of one such case on Wellspring. Ex-cult members seem to miss the structure.

CODEPENDENCY: Some who joint cults are more attracted to unhealthy relationships than others. This may come from chemical dependency or other causes--disfunctional family, etc. Leaving the cult may be painful.

ABUSE: Those who have been abused may try harder to impress cult leadership and feel a greater need to stay. At this point even CONDITIONAL love has passed them by.

I once worked for an abusive family buisness--as much as I hated it I wanted to stay. They never paid me for all the hours I worked, either. After they fired me I was sad. I thought my world was coming to an end. In time I realized that I was free from their abuse, disorganization, manipulation and had more free time. I was happy again. I eventually found a non hostile employer with great benefits.

LACK OF NETWORK: Some have not kept up with family and friends over the decades.

FEAR: Those who lack true scriptural knowedge and knowledge of God will fall into this trap. Look at all those "bad things that will befall anyone leaving CFCMI":

Hell: there life is already hell.

Insanity: CFC leaders are already insane and the single men are living in an insane, abusive lifestyle.

Accidents: anyone can have these due to lack of sleep.

Reincarnation: I read this on the Cult Freedom Coalition site. Christians aren't supposed to believe in reincarnation. Reincarnation is not in the Bible!!

[turningjapanese]

Who are you to say what Christians are "supposed to" believe in?

"Christians" aren't "supposed" to use other people for financial gain either, yet they do.

Love,
tj

[bramble]

Who are you to say what Christians are "supposed to" believe in?

"Christians" aren't "supposed" to use other people for financial gain either, yet they do.

Love,
tj

CFCMI has a funny notion of reincarnation--sort of Hindu-like. It is on the cult freedom coalition site under BITE model, click on Emotional Control. They mention some scary fates awaiting those who walk out. Reincarnation was just one of them.

Using people and loving things is un-Christian. Would you call CFCMI a Christian group? I can't bring myself to call them a church.

[turningjapanese]

I cannot post what I would call CFCMI.

[bramble]

I hope that there aren't so many of them "Coming Together" that they end up getting crammed together like a bunch of sardines or slaves. It seems that the Norfolk authorities and the Military are on to these illegal housing arrangments.

I hope that these single men see this as an opportunity for the freedom that God intended them to have. America is supposed to be the freeist country on the planet. I hope that the Men see this for the opportunity that it truly is. One can't know for sure, but I bet that there have been a couple of walkouts since January. One can only pray.

[bramble]

How do we contact the authorities so that CFCMI does not get their hands on any more young single men? What about their efforts to regroup in Norfolk? Does the city of Norfolk inspect housing better than they used to? If they have their way this consolidation will be completed by August 2008. I hope those who know more than I have something underway.

Like I said before walkouts should not be pressured into any potentially abusive religious organization. They need time to heal, first.


God Bless.

[bramble]

There is an organization called www.wellspringretreat.org (http://www.wellspringretreat.org) . I have read their page before. From what I have read they would be excellent at helping any CFCMI walkout or anyone who has been involved in an abusive, coercive organization.

They are Christian but do not try to push any ideology or faith. They work with all faith back grounds. They just want to help people get better, not try to convert them.

I would not pressure any walkout by quickly herding him into any other religious experience. He might perceive it as more abuse which it would probably be. If he does this of his own volition he might be wandering into another cult.

There are those who have left CFCMI or other cults but sadly taken the belief system and emotional baggage with them. Anyone who has been in this situation needs professional help from those who have been there.

Most councellors I have met aren't Christian, and are too into "Valuing Diversity" to regognize a cult. IMO a cult to one of them would be: Hare Krishna, Scientology, Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones--any of these suicide cults, anyone who dresses "different".

[bramble]

Here are a few links to site that talk about organizations similar to CFCMI. They share in similar religious practices, docterine, abuses...

www.expentecostals.org (http://www.expentecostals.org) and www.pentecostalfreedom.org (http://www.pentecostalfreedom.org)

I found these to be more explanatory than some of the EX-CFC sites which mostly focus on the pastoral abuse.

I hope these will help any past or present CFC members out there as well as others.

[bramble]

On www.pillars.net (http://www.pillars.net) (Vincent's site) is a summary of a two part sermon about stewardship. In light of all the stories of a dozen single men being crammed into one bedroom apartments with little if any possessions as a common practice I wonder just how genuine Pastor Paine is...

Summary of the summary:

Paine speaks of his move to Norfolk and having to sleep on an air mattress for two nights. The first night was fun. The second night Paine was discontent and embarrassed he said. He realized that he should be more grateful.

He touches on get rich quick scheme as being prideful and leading to poverty. He says hard work is better and leads to wealth "plow, plant, harvest = wealth". He also says in another part that poverty keeps people humble and how God teaches us humility. Does this mean they are getting out of Amway? (LOL)

Paine spent a lot of time discussing good money management. This part actually makes sense. Things like 'have a savings account; live debt free; don't buy on credit; don't cosign for others' etc.

I would like to know if these pastors still live 'above their flock' and if the purpose of these sermons is just a clever way of fleecing their flock for buildings that will never be built, for renovations that will not be don't properly -- if at all. Is it another way of keeping the single men dependent, financially, emotionally, spiritially?

Paine also says that discontentment is a sin. I don't entirely agree. Covetness is a sin. Sometimes we become discontent because God wants to go on to even greater challenges in life. Edison invented the incandescent light bulb because he was discontent with the gas company in his community. They had a sort of falling out--so says Paul Harvey.

He also touches on having the right 'attitude'. I imagine it is really a way of telling the 'oldheads' to suck it up and stop griping.

IMO the CFC ministers do not see a difference between contentment and complacency. God doesn't want us to be complacent, but to strive to even greater holiness. We want to be like the good servants who were not afraid to invest their talents, labor, graces etc. This parable means one thing to CFC insiders and another to Christians on the outside. My point is this...think outside the box, move outside the box, work outside the box, live outside the box. There is a whole beautiful world that God created for us to enjoy just waiting to be explored.

Holiness does not in this instance mean doing whatever CFC ministers say to do. What I MEAN is that we need ask the Holy Spirit for the gift of discernment then we will know how to serve God. God gave us a conscience for a reason. Now we need to form it (train it) and how to use it properly.

[bramble]

How do we keep CFCMI from bringing in any new young men to paint their steel and brick building? It seems that baptisms are way down this month. I think that word is getting out.

I think that law enforcement and media needs to be alerted to the history of CFCMI. In my opinion the authorities will respond to the allegations of wrongdoing.

Prospective single men will be most interested in the lifestyle and why to avoid it. (Ever play Sardines in grade school?) The idea that not being "Baptised in Jesus name" will mean eternal damnation needs to be addressed--it is patently untrue. This is one of the ways that false theology keeps the single guys from walking out and causes new ones to join. Most have been baptised already or can choose to be baptised in a REAL CHURCH. CFC has no monopoly on salvation.

Given their history of lies, fraud, sodomy, child abuse and other sins they make the mistake of thinking that one can accomplish God's work by doing evil. But we cannot accomplish good through doing evil. Remember Satan is a liar and the Father of Lies. Liars are allying themselves with him and not with God. Sin cuts us off from the grace of God.

REMEMBER PASTOR DOES NOT EQUAL GOD.

[bramble]

This is a party game in which one person hides usually in a closet or other confined place. The person's friends then seek him out and hide with him. In time you have a closet full of kids all giggling and screaming and squishing one another. The first seeker become "it" in the next round.

I hope with the consolidation of the four CFCMI congregations that these single men aren't living a dozen in an apartment intended for only one or two. The oldheads they are getting too creaky and arthritic to be sleeping on bathroom floors. For the newbies who may have not experienced it, camping is only fun for the first week or two.

If CFCMI is to succeed God must want it to succeed. Any amount of human work or sacrifice will not make it succeed, if it is not of God. If CFCMI is of God then there is no way to stop it from succeeding. Why then is it dwindling?

[turningjapanese]

Their consolidation is very interesting.

Kinda like how whales come together before they all beach themselves.

[bramble]

Something big happened Sunday in Norfolk I am willing to bet. CFCMI would be crowing if something good happened there. One baptism. Where did it take place? I wonder.

I wonder if there was another incident like the one at Little John several years back. Was there another house cleaning?

Maybe some Oldheads left. Maybe they were asked to leave. CFCMI seems to be hiding something. I know enough about public relations to spot a cover-up when I see one.

These guys may finally be catching on to all the lies, and B.S. and left before they became invalids.

Hey CFC guys your are getting played again!

[turningjapanese]

You say something big happened in Norfolk...maybe. I am willing to bet the opposite.

Probably, NOTHING happened. Maybe their little "Grand Opening" party was a bust.

I bet Paine and Thomas couldn't understand why there wasn't a line of new people waiting at the door to get in, with their hearts and wallets open.

Yeah, Jesus has spoken...

[bramble]

You say something big happened in Norfolk...maybe. I am willing to bet the opposite.

Probably, NOTHING happened. Maybe their little "Grand Opening" party was a bust.

I bet Paine and Thomas couldn't understand why there wasn't a line of new people waiting at the door to get in, with their hearts and wallets open.

Yeah, Jesus has spoken...


So you think it fizzled out? I think so too unless it was a big uprising. Do you think they finished their home improvement then walked out?

[turningjapanese]

Why bother bother finishing if you're gonna walk out; unless you know something I don't...


That "project" of theirs will NEVER be finished. To turn that crack-house into a presentable building will take a huge amount of cash. And I can guarantee, the more money people give, the fatter the Thomas' mattress will become.


TO THE SLAVE LABOR:

In the childrens' classroom---you forgot the base moulding. And in case someone actually decides to bring their kids to that place, make sure you cover those outlets!

[bramble]

Much has been said about the diet of CFCMI kitchen as being fatty, full of cholesterol and that those who have eaten it over time often end up with incredibly high cholesterol and weight problems.

Can anyone who was in CFCMI please share what a typical spread was/is like? I imagine that meals were served buffet style. I also read on ABC that the pastors' familes were fed more choice morsels than staff.

I know that both southern food and midwestern food tend to be really deep fried--fish, oysters, and chicken for instance.

[turningjapanese]

Yeah, I don't get this.....

Do the single guys live and eat communally? Like, are meals prepared in the church and eaten there after the guys come home from work? Who cooks? Hazel?

[bramble]

Yeah, I don't get this.....

Do the single guys live and eat communally? Like, are meals prepared in the church and eaten there after the guys come home from work? Who cooks? Hazel?

I imagine she cooked for her sons in law. The Single Men used to cook for the congregation. The pastors ate ambrosia; the single men didn't. In time interest in the dining service waned. Nowdays even interest in their prayer services waned, too.

I wish I know the particulars of their actual diet. Look at those skinny young men and how heavy some of the oldheads have become. I see a progression....

[John Cady]

Much has been said about the diet of CFCMI kitchen as being fatty, full of cholesterol and that those who have eaten it over time often end up with incredibly high cholesterol and weight problems.

Can anyone who was in CFCMI please share what a typical spread was/is like? I imagine that meals were served buffet style. I also read on ABC that the pastors' familes were fed more choice morsels than staff.
The meals were served similar to the military mess hall...designated men were assigned to serve, and others to clean up. The salad table was self-service. Bread and chips were set up on the tables, along with tea, Kool-Aid, or water. The pastors and their families, when they wanted to eat with the men, had a special table set up for them; most staffers did not get to eat with the family. Of course, many times the family would dine out or go home and eat.

It is true many of the meals were prepared using high fat ingredients, and coupled with a limited opportunity to exercise weight gain was inevitable. I weighed 260 pounds and had high blood presure when I left; I currently weigh around 215 and things are more stabilized.

[turningjapanese]

Please enlighten me here...I never ate a meal at a church, other than an organized pot-luck event or other "social".... Were these meals prepared for the single guys living communally? Like, was it every Sunday, or every day you ate together? Who paid for it? Or is that a dumb question...

Never heard of a Pastors family having thier "own" table either...

[bramble]

Stay in CFC if...

you like being browbeaten.

menial manual labor is your bag.

you like being poor and making others rich.

you enjoy being sleep deprived.

you are accustomed to being of unsound mind.

you don't mind that you body is shot now, too.

you don't mind sleeping on the floor.

you don't care what you eat.

you don't mind sitting around the church literally watching the paint dry.

you personal interests and hobbies mean far less than you pastors' personal interests and hobbies.

you would prefer to stay in a man-made religion following man-made traditions than serving the Lord.

If someone say "jump" and you say, "How high, Sir?" you know you have been there too long.

[bramble]

Here is what I know...

There are those started out with CFC hoping to 1) learn the Bible. Over time they end up 2) joining full time, becoming eunichs, moving into staff housing and staying.

What happens between Situation 1 and Situation 2 ? How long does it take? I imagine the newbies, not yet baptised, get a lot of 'Love Bombing'.

From what I can tell, being baptised into CFC has a lot to do with it. IMO, it may be due to the fact they don't recognise Trinitarian Baptism as being valid.

[bramble]

I feel deeply saddened especially after posting with some of those who have left. Then I see the pictures of those who are still in CFC and I feel worse.

I believe that God wants us to be productive members of society and values regular jobs as well. Remember Jesus and Joseph were carpenters. They didn't just sit around until someone gave something to do. The people in the Bible seem to have traveled a lot, mostly by foot. I don't think God meant for missionaries to be couch potatoes. Their still waiting to be sent...

Recently I was reminded of the fact these guys were given $20 allowance, if you will, a week from which they have to buy: clothes, toiletries, food etc. This is rediculous policy that could only benefit leadership. I don't know if it is still being done today.

I now more about meals. Thanks for the input guys.

Breakfast: scrounge around the Church for anything. Basically their apartments had nothing.

Lunch: deep fried whatever, salad bar, Kool-Aid, chips, bread.

Dinner: same as lunch

Pastors sat at "Captain's Table" (LOL) I guess they don't fraternize.

Bedtime: Midnight?

Wake Up: 0500?

What I would like to know now, and what I suspect is that those who are seemingly self employed are probably working for CFC front organizations. I suspect they are on standby in case Thomas wants them to blow off work and sit around the Church. He may have actual work for them to do at this point. I know of several cases to this effect.

I don't know if any policies been has loosened up over the past decade or if things are getting stricter again. I really feel sorry for anyone who knows the truth, but hasn't the gumption to leave. I suspect is is because of friends in CFC that some stay. I doubt that Jesus is what keeps them there.

[bramble]

I'd like to know what current CFCMI policies are regarding the following:

1) Receiving mail or parcels?

2) Who is allowed to own a cell phone? Is it just inner circle types? Are cell phones the new way to get people to call in to phone attendant?

3) What are current living conditions for Single Men in CFC. I've read that some of the communal living arrangements have loosened after 9-11 due to stricter Military regulations on off base quarters.

4) Contact with outsiders...

5) How much time is allowed away from the group? Does it vary person to person?

6) If these things have become more lax, will they become as stringent as Waukegan, now with the Norfolk consolidation?

[bramble]

If you were one of the Single Men and lived in staff housing what were your thoughts after your first year in CFCMI? Had you, at that moment in time, entertained thoughts of leaving or getting outside friends to join?

[turningjapanese]

Is that tired old "single men" regime STILL in existence?

Living communally and handing over their paychecks to the Pastors?

Who could possibly still be buying into that?

[turningjapanese]

Dear CareerCreature:

Absolutely NOTHING wrong with being single!

However, the "leadership" promotes remaining single as being "more spiritual". Truthfully, the "pastors" rely on the funding/labor the singles provide as their main source of income. When these men marry, the level of control the leaders are able to exert diminishes. Hence, women are viewed and treated as a threat.

These "leaders," are married with families, by the way. How's that for hypocrisy?

The brainchild of this concept was "founding Bishop" LR Davis, who used this "single ideal" to keep a harem of men handy for his own sexual gratification. If you are/were a part of CFCMI, I'm sure you KNOW exactly what I'm referring to.

If you are not familiar with CFCMI, read www.abusivechurches.com if you are inclined to learn more. If you are in the Norfolk VA or San Diego area, or if someone you love is in the military, it's definetly worth checking into.

Peace,
tj

[turningjapanese]

Hey.....

What happend to CareerCreature??? Did he get banned and erased from the forum???

[bramble]

Hey.....

What happend to CareerCreature??? Did he get banned and erased from the forum???

I saw he joined today. I didn't get to read his post, pity. I've been doing a lot of running around lately. He must have deleted it himself.

I wish you had saved it. What else did he say? Could he be in CFC?

[turningjapanese]

I think he got banned, then deleted.

He just mentioned that Jesus was single, so nothing is wrong with being single. Duh.

CFC? I don't think so.

[bramble]

I think he got banned, then deleted.

He just mentioned that Jesus was single, so nothing is wrong with being single. Duh.

CFC? I don't think so.

Just mentioning Jesus was single isn't a bad enough post to get banned from FACTnet. I'm suprised I can still see anything given a few of these posts. (not on the CFC threads, however) The old board was even worse.

No, there is nothing wrong with being single! Jesus and Paul were both single. I think John was, too. IMO, it helped their ministries.

I think he chickened out. He definitely was not banned! I looked. Once we post we have 60 minutes to edit or delete it. YOU could even PM him if you had a mind to.

[turningjapanese]

No, it said "Banned" under his name, where ours says "senior member". Then it was GONE!

He probably was a smart-a** on another thread. No, I won't PM him, because I don't care that much.

[bramble]

No, it said "Banned" under his name, where ours says "senior member". Then it was GONE!

He probably was a smart-a** on another thread. No, I won't PM him, because I don't care that much.

I understand. He DID get banned. Sometimes banning isn't permanant. I won't PM him, either. His interest in CFC just piqued my interest.

[bramble]

It is a snare for a man to say rashly, "It is holy," then to reflect only after making his vows. --Proverbs 20:25
Something about this verse reminds me of those single men coerced into their Eunich Vows with no time to reflect on what it would really mean.

IMO, a coerced vow is not a vow at all!!!

[turningjapanese]

"Vows of Eunichship" is the garbage that LR Davis, infamous closeted homosexual, created to keep single men financially and sexually bound to CFCMI.

It has no basis in REALITY. It is man-made idea contrived by a mentally ill self-annointed pastor to satisfy his own needs within his organization. Eunichship was then promoted as being "desireable," when in REALITY, it was emotional slavery. Part of a mind game.

Just look at exactly WHO is promoting the idea....those that directly benefit from it, but do not "participate" in it.

Wake up, people.

Eunichship is a nothing but a meaningless concept that supplies no benefits to those that commit to it.

[bramble]

This was found on The Pillars website. One one level it is amusing. On another level it is chauvinistic. I can't help but think of Al Bundy, from Married With Children or Billy Bigalow from Carousel when I read this Guys Have Rules Too! What do you all think?

Guys have rules, too
Tue, 11/06/2007 - 06:48 — Bob Vincent, www.pillars.net (http://www.pillars.net) The Official Rules, according to guys:

Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down.
Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way.
Crying is blackmail.
Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it!
Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question.
Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.
Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.
If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us.
If something we said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.
You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself.
Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during commercials.
Christopher Columbus did not need directions and neither do we.
If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.
If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine. Really.
Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the shotgun formation, or monster trucks.
You have enough clothes. You have too many shoes.
I am in shape. Round is a shape.This author is: overweight, so his woman. She gripes about the toilet seat, so does he. The correct position only makes a difference where small children are concerned: (BOTH SEAT AND COVER DOWN!!)

He makes her cry--so it's BLACKMAIL!?

I hope that their view women and marriage is not so negative as the author of the above excerpt. Last time I checked they are all born of women.

To me the author seems to be hard hearted and uncharitable, someone who really dislikes women or anything that interests them. Is being egotistical and self righteous and alone so much better than being married? Is Eunichship so much above marriage? Do CFC marriages last?

So what do the above gripes have nothing to do which Christianity? NOTHING!! Any man who feels this way about women could not possbly have a Christian Marriage! Rememeber Christ and the Church are the primary role models for marriage! Would a man like this be Christ to his wife? I doubt it!

[bramble]

Peter Paine is his new Valour College video alludes to dead, gay, pediphile, founder, L. R. Davis' prophecy of, "Give me 200 men and I can take the world". Paine has resurected prophecy by saying that he wants 200 men to join Valour College over the next four years. Any time spent or classes taken here will not transfer to any university in America or or the world.

Paine's vision would look something like this four years from now:

Year One: 50 men enrolled
Year Two: 50 men enrolled
Year Three: 50 men enrolled
Year Four: 50 men enrolled

Those men who complete the program are being promised to be made ministers, fellowship leaders, elders, or missionaries. Oldheads will be used to staff this school whether they want to or not. They can kiss their outside jobs goodbye. Students' commitment to CFCMI also increases with their time spent in Valour College. Eunichship seems to be rearing its ugly head again.

Suppose they DO GET their 200 men--their entire Church has about 75-100 in overall numbers. Will CFC grow? NAAAH! It will never happen! The truth is out.

[Hostile Duty]

I also mirror your thoughts on this... it is sad.

I cannot believe that Pete "Mr. Plausible Deniability" Paine continually lifts up a convicted felon & pedophile, even after admitting that he knew LR was guilty!

To those still in CFCMI: Come on people? When will you wake up? What will it take to get you to look around yourself and truly see what you are involved in?

What happens when Mr. "Total Control" Ed Thomas and clan cashes out and bails and then calls it "retirement"? I am sure he will package it with some chopped up sermon and "bible study" to justify his ends. But remember, did any of the original apostles retire? Did Paul retire to the good life? Think about this. The original apostles had all things common. This was in word and deed, not in word only.

Do any of you single brethren have anything common with the leadership or is there a "dividing line"? (I already know the answer and I think you do too.) Does Ed's need all of the cars and bikes when you can barely afford decent shoes?

I just tremble with revulsion when thinking about this mess.

Peter Paine is his new Valour College video alludes to dead, gay, pediphile, founder, L. R. Davis' prophecy of, "Give me 200 men and I can take the world". Paine has resurected prophecy by saying that he wants 200 men to join Valour College over the next four years. Any time spent or classes taken here will not transfer to any university in America or or the world.

Paine's vision would look something like this four years from now:

Year One: 50 men enrolled
Year Two: 50 men enrolled
Year Three: 50 men enrolled
Year Four: 50 men enrolled

Those men who complete the program are being promised to be made ministers, fellowship leaders, elders, or missionaries. Oldheads will be used to staff this school whether they want to or not. They can kiss their outside jobs goodbye. Students' commitment to CFCMI also increases with their time spent in Valour College. Eunichship seems to be rearing its ugly head again.

Suppose they DO GET their 200 men--their entire Church has about 75-100 in overall numbers. Will CFC grow? NAAAH! It will never happen! The truth is out.

[harrol]

Hostile Duty is right. The leadership only talks of sacrifice and expects the single men to actually do the sacrificing. To Ed and Pete have you ever sacrificed anything that you did not take back four fold? Do not worry I already know the answer.

[John Cady]

I posted about this on another thread, and it's appropriate here too:

Pete shared in his latest sermon about Jay Owens, a decent, godly man who literally became a pauper for God's service. In May of 1990, Jay got sick but refused to seek medical attention right away. He was afraid of revealing the address of the single men's dormitory. When he finally went to the hospital, it was too late. Jay had advanced pneumonia and slipped into eternity at the young age of 32.

It must be noted here that Jay Owens was more of a key player in sowing the seeds for the Sri Lanka churches, not Dan Lantis (even though both men were involved). Jay was a quiet, meek man whose good works did all the talking. When Jay's parents arrived at the funeral, Pete said he didn't know what to say to comfort them. Later in that same story, Pete said "Sometimes, nothing helps".

Pete, I will say it again: you did not help, either, when Jay needed it. You, Ed, and your families still continue to use these men as toys, draining them of their life, joy, and livelihood. You create an atmosphere of fear to where many now cannot think for themselves without wondering whether or not their salvation is at stake. Some of those men have been there close to 30 years, if not longer. When they become old and too feeble to do your bidding, you will simply discard them with the trash because they are of no use to you anymore. Some now have no surviving family members or are in a badly strained relationship with their families. They have no one else to turn to but you. You let Jay Owens suffer because you did not care. 18 years have passed, and single men still suffer in silence because you and Ed do not care about their well-being. All you care about is their money and free labor.

When you stand before God, you have a lot of blood on your hands.

[John Cady]

Long-Term Issues

Ex-CFCMI staffer: "I continue to have issues, which stem from my involvement in CFCMI. I cannot believe that the five years I spent there would continue to have an impact on me. I tried to go to other churches, but I have severe trust issues with organized religion. I still believe in God and believe that the Bible is man's guide to life, but I now see that my relationship with God is just that my relationship. Sometimes it scares the hell out of me that I could be condemned for leaving CFCMI, but I realize that is a backlash from the fear that was placed in me by CFCMI."

When I read this email, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the man who wrote to me. He had been there 5 years; I was in CFCMI for 17. He shared that a lot of damage was done because of L.R. Davis, Peter F. Paine, Ed Thomas, and the rest of those in leadership; some of the problems we face surface early on, others later. There are some long-term problems resulting from involvement with CFCMI (or any other cult or abusive organization) that impact many different aspects of our lives...even years after leaving.

Fear of being damned: In CFCMI, we were admonished repeatedly that if we ever left the church, we would backslide and be hellbound. Many of us realized as we became more involved that those in power had become corrupt, and saw plenty of good reasons - not excuses - for walking out. Yet we stayed because we had this deep-seated fear that leaving an organization equated to losing one's salvation. We were even shared this Scripture to "abide in our calling":

1 Corinthians 7:20 - Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

Was Paul sharing that we were to remain in one place for the rest of our lives? Did the apostle tell the church that upward mobility and change of location was not part of God's plan? No. This passage, when read with the rest of the exhortation, was part of Paul's teaching on marriage and serving God in one's present state. CFCMI twisted this Scripture to scare everyone into staying in the organization, and not seek any kind of upward mobility. CFCMI's teaching on the subject actually CONTRADICTS Scripture! Check this out:

Romans 11:29 - For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:33 - O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Matthew 6:33 - But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Jeremiah 32:27 - Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

CFCMI's structure is a classic case of a church that took the concept of being pastor-led and drove it to extremes. Even if God told an individual a message, the pastors in CFCMI were known not to approve it until "they received the same message as confirmation". In my own case, I truly believe that it was the Holy Ghost who gave me the message of reform for that organization. Ed Thomas and Peter F. Paine rejected it because they "did not receive confirmation" and viewed my proposal as a threat to their little empire - which is slowly crumbling. God calls many people to do many different things; it is the pastor's duty, and the elders', to ask for God to reveal those gifts and talents for the betterment of the church, the Kingdom, and even the community at large. Bishop Joel Trout, who pastored North Park Apostolic Church in San Diego, admonished his congregation in one of his sermons through this passage:

Deuteronomy 28:13 - And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

Bishop Trout was seeking God through the sermon to build up the church. He exhorted the men that it was right to own their own businesses and be active in the community; how else would they be able to make a difference? When we seek to please the Lord, He will give us the ability to achieve things beyond our wildest dreams. This is something ANY pastor or minister who seeks the will of God for his church will share. God wants us to be confident, have good self-esteem, and do it with humility. God wants us to be upwardly mobile!

Self-esteem: Low or non-existent self-esteem is another long-term effect of the CFCMI leadership. Those of us, especially single men, were brow-beaten constantly by the leadership and to feel like we were inferior to everyone else - especially the leaders. This may be a possible reason why I never crossed that threshold in my naval career of advancing to Chief Petty Officer. The constant berating, though I did not realize it at the time, had a serious impact on my ability to effectively lead other people. Even now, I find myself questioning my own talents and abilities despite repeated favorable reviews at work; six Navy/Marine Corps Achievement Medals; being able to quickly find work when a layoff hit; and teaching and sharing the precious word of God. Humility means we acknowledge our Creator for the talents and abilities we have. Confidence means we can rest in the assurance God will bless our labor for Him. Self-esteem means we are someone special in God's eyes; He love us enough to robe Himself in flesh, wash away our sins, and place His Spirit in us. Even if the world thought nothing else, we know we are loved by Jesus Christ. CFCMI's actions are the converse: though the leaders preach God loves the people, the leaders treat the people like dung. Constant negative communication is abusive, and actually hinders growth on many levels.

Trust: This will be my final point. Many of us who left abusive organizations or relationships have found it difficult to place trust in other people. CFCMI damaged many people's faith as a result of their actions, and to this day there are men and women who are very reluctant to enter a church because they aren't sure they can trust the pastor or others in leadership. They aren't sure if they want a repeat of what happened in their former church. I went through this too. When I arrived at Norfolk Apostolic Church in 2004 (a year after leaving CFCMI), I had written a list of questions for the pastor. I sought God for direction; what I thought would have been a five minute conservation turned out to be an hour of deep, uplifting discussion as the pastor - Rev. Michael Blankenship - openly answered every question I had. God showed me after that meeting that I could trust church leadership; I just needed to be more discerning and know what to ask. I also believe God wants us to look at the fruits of a prospective church before getting involved; if there is good fruit, spiritual and otherwise, then God will reveal this. If there is questionable fruit...or rotten fruit...move on.

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Romans 3:4 - God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Hebrews 5:14 - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

While God desires His children to sit under a sepherd and receive instruction from the word, He also expects us to achieve a level of maturity to discern what is and isn't true. After what I went through, I realize that I cannot just blindly follow a man and think he is going to do right; preachers are fallible and can fall into sin like the rest of us. Preachers can also be led astray, and those who blindly follow them without discerning and proving for themselves what God is saying will also be led astray. This can lead to devastating consequences. Joenstown, though now 30 years have passed, is a lasting reminder of people blindly following a shepherd who had left God and preached a false message.

My prayer for my friend, as well as for me and others who left CFCMI, is that we come to the place where we can find a more fulfilling relationship in Jesus Christ and become everything God desires us to be...letting nothing, or nobody, hold us back.

[turningjapanese]

It is my understanding and belief that once a person leaves an abusive relationship, their personal healing may take twice as long as the relationship itself. It is the equivalent of emotional multi-tasking because you are faced with mourning and recovering at the same time.

Mourning the loss of the personal ideal you had going into the relationship; of what "could have been," the potential and expected outcome. Recovering from the fact that somebody exploited you for personal gain; especially while pretending to care about you and professing to have your best interest at heart. Realizing the fact that you have been abused, whether by a single person or organization, and now are devalued and irrelevant to them. The betrayal of trust, and sadness that you are now fearful of trusting again.

When in this position, I think it's helpful to find others who will bear witness to your experience, and validate you---especially when abusers of all types attempt to alter your reality and compromise your belief systems.

Peace, healing and love to all...

TJ

"Once you've been bitten by a snake, you are very cautious...even of a coiled rope."

-The Dalai Lama

[bramble]

Peter Paine is his new Valour College video alludes to dead, gay, pediphile, founder, L. R. Davis' prophecy of, "Give me 200 men and I can take the world". Paine has resurected prophecy by saying that he wants 200 men to join Valour College over the next four years. Any time spent or classes taken here will not transfer to any university in America or or the world.

Paine's vision would look something like this four years from now:

Year One: 50 men enrolled
Year Two: 50 men enrolled
Year Three: 50 men enrolled
Year Four: 50 men enrolled

Those men who complete the program are being promised to be made ministers, fellowship leaders, elders, or missionaries. Oldheads will be used to staff this school whether they want to or not. They can kiss their outside jobs goodbye. Students' commitment to CFCMI also increases with their time spent in Valour College. Eunichship seems to be rearing its ugly head again.

Suppose they DO GET their 200 men--their entire Church has about 75-100 in overall numbers. Will CFC grow? NAAAH! It will never happen! The truth is out.

Since they are only allowing single men already in CFCMI to join their fantasy college, they will never get their 200 men! Their entire Norfolk Church has little over 100!!! They aren't growing. The Oldheads are leaving. The young ones seem to be Davises. The Davis family is the only one that has any children.

[bramble]

I was pondering something after hearing about all the news about the raid on ACORN for voter registration fraud.

If CFCMI had all these young men overcrowded into housing illegally that violated housing ordinances (ie: Norfolk, Waukegan) did these Single Men bother to vote. How could they register? I imagine the poll workers would get suspicious to see so many living in the same apartment unit. What would they have used for a home address? What address could they have put on their Driver's Licenses?

I wonder if they are voting this time around.

[John Cady]

I was pondering something after hearing about all the news about the raid on ACORN for voter registration fraud.

If CFCMI had all these young men overcrowded into housing illegally that violated housing ordinances (ie: Norfolk, Waukegan) did these Single Men bother to vote. How could they register? I imagine the poll workers would get suspicious to see so many living in the same apartment unit. What would they have used for a home address? What address could they have put on their Driver's Licenses?

I wonder if they are voting this time around.
Since I was on active duty during the whole time I was in CFCMI, I used my hometown address and voted via absentee ballot. Voting and driver's license information was not an issue.

My civilian counterparts, because there was the very real legal issue of overcrowding plus city laws in Norfolk (no more than 4 non-related people in a home), were faced with a dilemma. Many of them for years were told to use the church's PO Box # for a mailing address and even for the driver's licenses. DMV offices do not look that closely, they just look to see if the applicant has a valid mailing address. Here in Maryland, it is easier for illegal immigrants to get a license than me! I will save the political speech for a different forum.

Voter registration is a little more tricky than DMV. They do look more closely at the details; not all of the men were permitted to register to vote for that very reason - the secrecy of staff housing would be exposed. One man in Waukegan actually lived in the church building, and he was ultimately told to move into staff housing because it would look suspicious to see him sign up for anything using 621 Belvediere Street as a mailing address. That man, from what I understand, has since left CFCMI.

Norfolk had an easier time adjusting to the laws because Ed Thomas wanted things to at least APPEAR normal. He made the decision long before Pete or Dan to spread the men around so no more than 3 lived in any of the apartments. Most of the time I lived in staff housing I lived alone. That was an oddity; the excuse given was my underway and work schedule made it difficult for other men to stay there, but I wonder if my on views on issues caused a gradual isolation where other men were told not to hang out in my place. Not that I complained...the privacy was actually pretty nice.

[bramble]

What can anyone tell me about who the Oldheads were in the 1970-1980's in CFCMI. Did anyone of them walk out? Did they die while still members of CFCMI? Are any of them still in there?

CFCMI seems to be embarking on its third generation of Single Men. I pray that God puts and end to this scandal.

[John Cady]

What can anyone tell me about who the Oldheads were in the 1970-1980's in CFCMI. Did anyone of them walk out? Did they die while still members of CFCMI? Are any of them still in there?

CFCMI seems to be embarking on its third generation of Single Men. I pray that God puts and end to this scandal.

Jim Ottoson is the true "Original Oldhead". He joined before Pete and Ed did. However, because Jim married a woman L.R. did not like, Jim was never used for anything more than a singer. Crying shame. Now Jim is divorced, has no children, and possibly no surviving family members. He is paraded about like a sideshow freak while Ed and Pete crow about Jim's 36 years with CFCMI.

Some others I know:

Dave Armstrong - 1977-1999. Kicked out of CFCMI after he got married. Divorced and living somewhere in Oregon.

Jay Owens - 1978-1990. Died of pneumonia while residing in staff housing in Waukegan.

Bill Presher - still there

Will Aygarn - still there

Karl Poulson - status unknown

Al Jepsen - still there, does not live with staff anymore

Rick Matczak - status unknown, probably abandoned in Waukegan

Chuck Thompson - First head of Washington state fellowship, left during the Davis trial.

Jay Hunnemuller - still there

Pat Taylor - still there

Kevin Sherry - left in mid-1990s

Mike Carner - left around 2001

Marty Sellers - left after moving to San Diego

Dino Fisher - left in 2003

Rick Hahn - still there

George and Eddie O'Clair - left before the Davis trial

Marquis and Bryce Craig - left before the Davis trial

Rich Snow - still there

Bruce Wilson (chief eunuch) - still there

John Marciano - left in early 1990s

Les Ross - kicked out after going to the Holy Land without "pastoral approval"

Mark Lanier - left in 2000

Dan Grappe - left in 2002 following a knife-throwing incident by Roland Saniatan

Pete Shepherd - status unknown

Tony Ziegler - kicked out by Pete Paine due to "being a liability"

Tom Moser - left in 2001

John Hoffman - still there

I could go on and on, and I am not throwing names out there for the sake of naming names. Each name represents someone I knew personally and in many cases was a good friend with them. Most of them walked out before I did, and are glad to hear of my deliverance along those who followed; a few as one can see are still there. Some of them I just don't understand because in private conversations I knew they did not agree with what the leadership had done, and knew LR was guilty of his sins and crimes. Most of the ones I knew were never involved in the Davis scandal. They, like me, thought they were doing something important for God all those years. As they got older, they were seen as less useful and were disposed of.

What a shame.

[bramble]

This should be a no brainer!!


Anyone related to the Davis, Thomas, Paine families has:

real paycheck
health care,
pension
fancy home
more than one really nice car
more than one motorcycle--Harleys, mostly
college education
designer clothes that fit, unless the wearers are really out of shape
leisure time



Single Men, 'Brothers' 'Eunichs'

paycheck(s), but are required to give all but 10 percent back to Church--(tithing in reverse)

no health care--long term illnesses with no way to treat it

no benefits
no pension
may live in dangerous neighborhood with one or more roomate
beater (hoopty) car, if one at all
no motorcycles
no college--in nearly every instance
clothes come from thrift store, and are ill fitting, even baggy, unpressed
free time is often spent hanging out at CFCMI


Moral: If you are approaching retirement age with no benefits you are in deep trouble. If you are still in CFCMI after all these years, why stay? Did Jesus form this Church during his earthly lifetime? Would leaving a Church started by a homosexual, child molester, felon really mean eternal damnation? If Davis went to his grave not being sorry for his sins, we may never know for sure, but if he did, should you follow DAVIS instead if Jesus? The answer is 'NO' to all of the above.

How can one follow CFCMI and lie to protect the sin within and still be holy? The fact is that many, many, more have left than still remain. Isn't is possible that those who left were led of God? Many of those who left were even pastors.

God is TRUTH!! Remember, Satan is the Father of Lies!! Lying is never Godly. Protecting others' sin with lies makes you complicit in that sin. We are responsible for the sins of others, at times. Members of CFCMI serve two master. God isn't the one who come first. He is the one they despise.

The best way to find a NON-CULT Church is to go back to the one that you were born into. Norfolk seems to have its share of cult churches who put money first instead of God first--700 Club for one. If you are a Christian and know the truth about CFCMI, then it is your moral obligation to leave. Wouldn't Jesus want you to? Pray about it in private.

[John Cady]

Source: Pillars website

Pete Paine: This August, Jay Hunemuller and Cedric Christian will go to Naples, Italy to start a fellowship there.

Oh, No! Jay and Pat will be split up? Oh, nooooooo!

[bramble]

Source: Pillars website

Pete Paine: This August, Jay Hunemuller and Cedric Christian will go to Naples, Italy to start a fellowship there.

Oh, No! Jay and Pat will be split up? Oh, nooooooo!

They'll probably end up getting tarred, feathered and run out of town. Oh that's right in Italy they throw tomatoes.

Were Jay and Pat an 'item'?

[bramble]

I like the post about the Single Men going to visit Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum. CFC would qualify an an exhibit. One day a wax statue of of L.R Davis will be displayed there.

Seeing the odd collections at Ripley's at might broaden their thinking and stretch their consciousness. I'm surprised they are actually allowed to visit museums at all. It goes to show Ed and Pete losing control in spite of themselves, as does Pete's asking for money instead of threatening for money. :)

[turningjapanese]

Believe this or Not:

LR contracted and shared about 10 strains of VD.

[turningjapanese]

I like the post about the Single Men going to visit Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum. :)

Single man with wax cadaver:

http://mychristianfellowship.org/pictures/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=0

[onetime]

Source: Pillars website

Pete Paine: This August, Jay Hunemuller and Cedric Christian will go to Naples, Italy to start a fellowship there.Of all the places in the world that the “Largest Jesus Name Ministry in the World” could go to, why do you suppose they would select Naples Italy? It’s simple. They want to go there because the US Navy has a big presence in Napoli. I know, I know…the Navy has a big presence in the US too, but that doesn’t seem to be working very well for them anymore, does it? When your pastures dry up, you move on to new frontiers!

Naples. It sure the hell figures. Anyone that was ever in the Navy and in the 6th Fleet has spent some time in Naples. They know that Naples has an abundant supply of interesting characters as well. When I was there in the 1970s, we were warned about the “chicks with dicks” that hung out in various places. I remember hearing about this “famous” hooker known as Humpty Dumpty who sat on some wall in the city and catered to foolish sailors. Naples was the place that you passed through to get to the decent parts of Italy. I don’t know what Naples is like today, but it was a stinking hole back then. I can see why CFCMI would be attracted to it.

These desperate bastards will resort to anything to keep the money flowing in. They are as predictable as the sunset.

[turningjapanese]

Humpty-Dumpty, eh?

Offering fellowship in Italy's "red light" district is an interesting concept, although how much $$ are they gonna pull in doing that? Maybe that strategy worked in Waukegan for a while, but obviously didn't pay longterm. (hence their move to Norfolk.) CFCMI does like having a presence in ghettos, probably because the educated middle-class see right through Paine's over-dramatized BS and wouldn't tolerate having a cult in the midst of mainstream suburbia.

And now gay sailors will have a choice of studying the Bible with a creepy toad like Jay, or partying with smokin' hot Italian Trannys....yeah.

Just like that entire couchful of devotees in the Japan Fellowship, Italy will be the same. Funny how most of their "new recruits" end up becoming "ex-members."

The oddball hillarity continues....

[thistime]

Naples Italy< beware<<<<<

SYPHILIS ALERT

Don't do it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Wear a condom<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Stay away from Rich Snow and Filthy Dick. >>>>>>>>>>>>

Be extra leary of your pastors<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[John Cady]

Gonorrhea and syphillis are the least of anyone's worries in Naples. During my later years in the Navy, there would be posters on display at fleet landings of prostitutes - male and female - who were known carriers of chlamydia, herpes, and AIDS. There is a smorgasbord of venereal diseases to choose from, and I am thankful God kept me from dining from that menu. One less thing to worry about.

[onetime]

The current situation is deplorable. The “Largest Jesus Name Ministry in the World” is running out of world! They’ve struck out in San Diego, Great Lakes, Hawaii, Washington, Florida, Sri Lanka, Japan, Haiti, and it’s only a matter of time before they wear out their “welcome” in Norfolk and go the way of the dodo bird in that area as well.

Valour College is nothing but a freakish cartoon-like fantasy that could only be sold to gullible fools with the intelligence of small children.

The CFCMI leadership believes that women and children are hindrances and satanic distractions to the work of God. Of course, this belief does not apply to them. Edwina and Princess Fairy Pants “enjoy” conjugal visits with their livestock whenever they get the urge (probably after reading a Playboy and popping a little blue pill—some things just need to be kick-started, after all). Anyway, how do they keep the men from thinking about women and focusing on, well, men?

Attendance numbers are down. Cash flow is down. How are they going to survive much longer?

What CFCMI needs is a “Stimulus Plan” of their very own!

The answer: Naples Italy!

Think of the possibilities here! Send two sycophants over there to pave the way for future growth. Assuming they don’t bungle things too badly, CFCMI can establish a foothold in the shadows of Mount Vesuvius.

Here’s the strategy and the logic: Naples is crawling with sailors and trannies. The sailors provide the income to keep Edwina and the Princess well fed and stocked with plenty of toys. The trannies are the perfect “diversion” for the CFCMI eunuchs! As the song goes, they “walk like a woman and talk like a man.” No pregnancy concerns when the eunuchs “blow off some steam” with their favorite “girlfriend.” No love is involved, so there is nothing to hinder the ministry. Brilliant!

Of course, there is the big concern of STDs, but hell, that never stopped the likes of LR, Rich Snow, Filthy Dick, Bill Blackwell, et al., from plowing keister.

Yes, Convicted Felon B35913 would be proud.

[bramble]

How do you think CFCMI will handle the census. The U.S. Government wants us to list the place we live MOST OF THE TIME. College students away from home would list their school addresses. What will CFC do presuming they have illegally overcrowded housing? How will they get around city ordinances if this is still the case?

[John Cady]

How do you think CFCMI will handle the census. The U.S. Government wants us to list the place we live MOST OF THE TIME. College students away from home would list their school addresses. What will CFC do presuming they have illegally overcrowded housing? How will they get around city ordinances if this is still the case?
Ed Thomas, unlike Pete or any of the other CFCMI brass, knew the laws concerning how many non-related people can live in any home. That was why the Christian Brothers front business was established: to buy up a bunch of run-down apartment buildings and refurbish them so staffers could live no more than 2 to an apartment.

Since there are still a few active military who attend, they will list their home of record. The rest will be able to list their address with no problem. I say this because even after the migrations of a select few, the apartments are probably not crowded at all due to attrition. The 2010 census is the least of the CFCMI worries right now.

[turningjapanese]

In the ghetto, nobody gives a sh*t where a bunch of gay culties live. If "staff housing" in Norfolk is anything like Archer street in Waukegan, I'd much rather live in my car. Even Jay (real estate buffoon) walked away from that dump he owned.

(Just goes to show you; invest in CFCMI and all you'll get is a big zero.)

As for Haiti, you'd think they would have come up with the 6 grand by now...heck, even I could write a check for that, and I'm sure Paine could do the same. It's been weeks since they've started collecting; no mention about how much $ they got or where it went. Wonder why. But they'll proudly broadcast the bullsh*t about some museum or crow about a handful of baptisms. Ed will yak away about his cars that nobody cares about, and they'll post up the ill congregations' moanings and groanings ....

So I'm asking, "where's the good coming from that Haiti fund?" (and i don't mean no wedding!)

[onetime]

In the ghetto, nobody gives a sh*t where a bunch of gay culties live. If "staff housing" in Norfolk is anything like Archer street in Waukegan, I'd much rather live in my car. Even Jay (real estate buffoon) walked away from that dump he owned.

(Just goes to show you; invest in CFCMI and all you'll get is a big zero.)

As for Haiti, you'd think they would have come up with the 6 grand by now...heck, even I could write a check for that, and I'm sure Paine could do the same. It's been weeks since they've started collecting; no mention about how much $ they got or where it went. Wonder why. But they'll proudly broadcast the bullsh*t about some museum or crow about a handful of baptisms. Ed will yak away about his cars that nobody cares about, and they'll post up the ill congregations' moanings and groanings ....

So I'm asking, "where's the good coming from that Haiti fund?" (and i don't mean no wedding!)

Nope, forget about “hope.” That’s just boob bait for the bubbas. It’s really “Homos for Haiti.”

Actually, it’s “Homos for CFCMI.”

Any gullible fool stupid enough to donate to any CFCMI fund—be it the “Homos for Haiti” fund, the “Let’s Build Another Big Stupid Building!” fund, the “Pastor Thomas Needs a New Car to Replace the One God Told Him to Give to Rod Ferguson” fund—deserves to be poorer for the experience. Much poorer.

The homo-loving organization (Peeter, Eddie, Big Sis and daughers) is all about CFCMI. They are CFCMI. They don’t care about anyone but themselves. They don’t condemn their founder—a convicted felon who sodomized young boys—so they are a homo-loving, felon-loving organization!

CFCMI is all about honoring their founder. They are all about abusing guys in the ass against their will.* Until they either get used to it or they leave.

Isn’t that right Filthy Dick, Preying Lantis, Richie Snowflake, Billy Blackballs, et al.?

Edwina and Princess Fairy Pants will just look the other way.

Some things never change.