| Author | Message | ||
     Weed (69.143.213.247) |
Is Michael Moore's film the truth about Bush or just liberal propaganda? | ||
| ...... (81.154.59.62) |
I am not sure. I havent seen the film yet. In my opinion some or most of it is going to be propaganda, but there is some truth in there. Bush really dislikes gay people, and so I would not vote for him as president if I lived in the US. However he has his heart in the right place as far as foreign policy's concerned. He's not a bad person, just very socially conservative. But hell he has to be that way to appease the Loony Religious Right (including Christian Identity!!), who give his party billions every year. Having said that I will not see the film about Bush, I think it will be more leftist cashing-in on the whole Iraq issue. | ||
| Anonymous (67.163.73.245) |
I went to the show tonight to watch it, and I am more convinced Bush needs to go. This group of thugs hate women, minorities, gays, and everyone else not rich, white, Christian, men. | ||
| Neil C Reinhardt (209.240.205.61) |
First, I am 69 year old Atheist who does not like Bush and did not vote for Bush. I hold "liberal" positions on many more issues than I hold "conserative" positions on. I'm just INTO being VERY honest, VERY straight-forward and VERY truthful. My agenda is TRUTH and FACTS! I am VERY knowledgeable of history and of current events. NO one is BS'ing me as I am too danm smart and too knowledgeable to be BS'ed. Now to this lying, scum-sucking, bag of crap Michlael Moore. His film is full of LIES, propoganda, half-truths and the editing peoples answers to not let viewer hear what they really said. ANYONE who believes the MANY LIES he puts forth in that film either has NO knowledge of the FACTS or they are just TOO STUPID to comprehend the facts! Neil C. Reinhardt | ||
| Anonymous (67.163.73.245) |
I should point out that my view of Bush was low before I saw this tonight. Made no difference. Besides, we all know Michael Moore (and any filmmaker) will distort an interview to promote their views. | ||
| Neil C. Reinhardt (209.240.205.61) |
NO, your are incorrect ANY film maker will NOT lie and distort to get their point across. And since you HIDE behind "Anonymous" I should not even take my time to answer you. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
Neil, if you found lies in the film, why didn't you cite them? Tell us what you're talking about. It certainly seems to have got your dander up. Moreover, you express a profound dislike for Michael Moore as a person. What's that all about? I doubt there's been anyone since Honest Abe who never told a lie, and if you have any evidence that Michael Moore sucks scum I think you have the duty to present it. As for being a "bag of crap" - well, biologically speaking, aren't we all...? "I'm just INTO being VERY honest, VERY straight-forward and VERY truthful. "My agenda is TRUTH and FACTS!" - No, Sir. I don't believe that. You are much too angry. What is your real agenda? | ||
| Anonymous (67.163.73.245) |
Neil, I don't know what your background is in film, but I have a Master's in it, and work in the field. Yes, filmmakers do twist what they produce to fit their agenda. I can say this with experience. It's called editing. What is your experience in film? if you have none, you know nothing of what you speak. | ||
| Anonymous (66.109.196.125) |
At least he is freely expressing his opposition to some dilemmas. Be as it may, it is a point of view; we can agree with it, or we can disagree. Other than that, the film industry only pacifies viewers with images cultural despair that won't help anybody at least to start thinking of how to come to some improvements. We are watching Zombies' Media all the time. To Anonymous 67.163.73.245: You surely won't expect the consumer to know all that you need to know in order to produce a film. Your business is to make the film; our business as consumers is to criticize what you make. If you do a good job, you will have good criicism. If you do crap-films, you will get beaten by the lack of public recognition, or nobody will pay to see your work, which is the same. Everybody in this country has "experience" in film, because we wee it all the time, and we PAY for it. | ||
| Anonymous (209.240.205.61) |
WHO IS NEIL. C REINHARDT?? | ||
| Weed (69.143.213.247) |
I have yet to hear one fact that refutes what Moore documents in the film - from anywhere. Of course he has a viewpoint, and one can shape a documentary with editing, type of music and general tone. Nevertheless, I challenge someone to refute a material fact presented by Michael Moore that was inacurrate. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
If only half of what Moore says in the film is true, that is fully enough to convict the Bush regime of (at the very least) malfeasance in office. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
Going back to your original question, Weed - here's another: Is Rupert Murdoch's "Fox News" the news - or just right-wing propaganda? | ||
| Weed (69.143.213.247) |
It's markedly slanted to the right. Now that begs the question: are the other networks - ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN - slanted to the left? That's what the Rush Limbaugh people say when Fox is criticized - that they're just trying to even things out by providing an alternative to the "dominant left-wing media." I' don't think those networks are particularly liberal, but Fox is out of control right-wing. | ||
| Anonymous (67.163.73.245) |
I used to work in media, and let me tell you the "liberal" media is a joke. Most of it seems to be slanted to the right, but Fox is very right wing. | ||
| Weed (69.143.213.247) |
I couldn't agree with you more, A-67.163. I've lived in DC my whole life and the Washington Post is NOT a liberal paper. Perhaps it used to be, but not in the last dozen years. It's not conservative (like the Rev. Moon's Washington Times, a paper with little impact, or readership, in the Nation's Capital). And unlike most papers, it's not written for someone who reads at a 4th grade level. Legalize It | ||
| Weed (69.143.213.247) |
Jesus, aren't there any rightwingers out there to offer criticism of Moore's movie? With all the Christians hovering around this site? | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
im a christian but i haven't seen the film yet | ||
| Anonymous (209.240.205.61) |
Im a Christian and I saw the film, and uh..I kind of liked it. Im sorry, but its pretty obvious that things are a little shady, and going to war with Iraq makes no sense to me at all. | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
yeah the war with iraq has hurt jobs, and left things in THIS country unfinished .the economy booms for upper class rich people, then they promise stuff to the middle class but what about the underclass..the poor ,or underpaid workers with no union jobs .. | ||
| Anonymous (67.163.73.245) |
To 69.242.21.100: I couldn't agree more. I know people who have a Master of Arts degree. They are finding it extremely hard to find a decent full time job with benefits. These jobs are going overseas, courtesy of outsourcing. Many more jobs are going to be leaving this country in the next couple of years if this isn't stopped. | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
i wish the government would wipe out Temp services cause they are all corrupt ,they rip people with cheap wages for hard labor, no benefits and then drop ya ,then when you sign up for UI ,they offer you a hard job for 5$ an hour so if you turn it down ,it cancels your chance for the UI benefit until you find a perm.job | ||
| Anonymous (67.163.73.245) |
I hate temp services. While they are good for companies who need help while someone is on vacation, leave, etc, many companies only use temp workers. I knew someone who got a factory job through one of these temp jobs. She worked for a couple months, then they replaced her with another person. The reason? she asked why they brought her in when she wasn't replacing anyone! In other words, the company didn't want to pay benefits, higher wages, etc so they go through temps. She was only paid 6 dollars an hour, and if she had been hired as an employee, she would have been union starting around 10 dollars an hour with benefits. | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
yeah what a shame, there needs to be an expose on Temp Services and shown to the public thru TV ..thats an million dollar industry that needs reprimand for its unfair labor practices and intimidation .. | ||
| Anonymous (65.230.198.72) |
To Neil C. Reinhardt: Doesn't it disturb you to see video of Bush #1 being all cozy with the Saudi-Arabian Royal Family, in light of the fact that most (if not all ) of the peopole involved in the 09/11/01 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were from Saudi Arabia : and does it not seem odd, that all of a sudden, the hunt for Osama Bin Laden goes cold, and everyone in Washington goes along with Bush in saying that we need to concentrate on getting Sadam Hussein now ? Sure Sadam was a scum bag, and the world is a better place without him, but so is Kadafi and so was Idi Amin. Doesn't something seem funny here to you ? I'm sure Michael Moore had his own agenda when he made the film, but I don't think je super-imposed the image of George H.W. Bush onto the video of the Saudi Arabian Royal family at a party. | ||
| Sylvies Friend (81.153.66.87) |
A google search on Neil C Reinhardt turns up some interesting info - not necessarily commensurate with his claim to being more liberal than conservative. The basic bottom line is that every core accusation with regard to Dubya in Moore's film can be independantly verified (and has been - for instance by the 9/11 Commission). Dubya snorted coke in 1972, and got busted and sentenced to community service (his time with PULL). But he's gung-ho on banging up users of Mary-J for therapeutical properties with regard to MS. I was right 20 odd years ago when I said, that as soon as the MAD stalemate was broken, you would have idiots like Dubya stepping back up to the pulpit to declare how noble it is to die for one's country, and use the propaganda machinery to propagate war as a first resort. What disgusts me is that Dubya is waging nuclear war in Iraq (and this was something which was not in Michael Moore's film). For any who has any doubts take a look on the web with regard to Depleted Uranium munitions. The cities in Irak (which Dubya wanted to liberate) have been contaminated with 100's of tons of highly radioactive Uranium. This means toxicity on two levels heavy metal poisoning AND radioactive contamination, which will exist in the cities for the next 4.5 BILLION years. I ask you what is worse poison gas (which Saddam used) or nuclear fallout (used by Bush)? How does this contempt for human life (which is ongoing, although there is now no remote excuse for using this kind of munition) square up with his proported respect for human life - see Dubya's comments re stem-cell research for instance. | ||
| Sylvies Friend (81.153.66.87) |
The radiation levels where Depleted Uranium has been used is 1,000 to 1,900 times higher than normal background radiation - AND IT DOESN'T GO AWAY. Would anyone here want to live in such an environment? | ||
| Sylvies Friend (81.153.66.87) |
Deploying nuclear weapons against the innocents in Iraq is not a crime against humanity? Deploying nuclear weapons against the innocents in Iraq is not a war crime? Lying to the soldiers about the effects on their own person of the munitions they deploy ("Gulf War Syndrom" is nothing more or less than radiation poisoning in combination with heavy metal toxicity) is not a betrayal of trust with regard to suckers stupid enough to trust their so-called "commander in thief"? | ||
| Anonymous (65.230.198.73) |
I made the mistake of voting for Bush last time, but it is not going to happen again ! He reminds me of Lyndon Johnson- do anything, and say anything to get what he and his cronies want! The end justifies the means, and all that crap ! I see people planning to vote this time who have never even bothered with it before: which demonstarates that tons of people (except corporate CEO's and other millionires) want him out of office ! | ||
| Anonymous (69.134.64.166) |
I forgot! Today or rather yesterday Fahrenheit 9/11 came out. I did not see it. Bowling for Columbine was funny and disturbing. I love both funny and disturbing. Heck, this chick bought Schindler's List for the comedy. As Chaos Magicians say cure with laughter. No boys and girls, i'm not a neo nazi. Just a white woman who laughs a lot. Bush will not get my vote. Yet Kerry must do something about the hair. Bush's sinister smile during the last debate almost made me like him. almost Talk about war and the man had a sly grin on his face. Sick! Yet touched the hearts of sooooooooo many fat elephants. They say alcoholic's see pink elephants. hmmmmm? | ||
| Anonymous (24.39.137.146) |
heeheeheehee peace, zee | ||
| Anonymous (205.188.117.20) |
Gettin' back to Michael Moore and his film...are you aware that Hezbollah, a well-known terroist organization and sworn enenemy of the U.S., is distributing his film amongst the Muslim population in countries like Lebanon, Syria, etc., to do nothing more than incite and build people's hatred of the U.S.? Says a lot for M.M., who is doing nothing more than exploiting the war with lies and propaganda and lining his pockets by and through the very capitalist system he so detests. Moore is a moran, not worthy to call himself an American and should be shipped over to the spineless country of France where they love him so much...or better yet, slap a turbin on his gargantuan head and send him to the Middle East. I wonder if they'd greet him as friend or lop off that fat grape of his? | ||
| solopilot (solopilot) Member Username: solopilot Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 216.190.204.218 |
Once again, you folks amuse the heck out of me. George Bush is not only a Christian, but a PROTESTANT Christian, one of the few who represents you well to the world. He has morals which aren't just put on for the public (unlike Bill Clinton and John Kerry), and you are still believing every stupid rumor about him from someone who despises Christianity and morality. You people had better learn to do your own research, because the way you look to me, you are lambs to the shearing. You have no right to whine about the way Christianity is portrayed in the media when you are supporting the people doing the portrayal. Yes, Moore lies in his films. He made Charlton Heston into a racist in "Bowling for Columbine" -- despite the fact that Heston was one of the few of the Hollywood stars who marched with Martin Luther King. He put parts of three different speeches together to make one completely false portrayal. In "9/11," he made claims which even the most cursory research prove to be wrong. But you people aren't into research or truth, only condemnation and blindly following whatever you are told. Michael Moore or Walter Martin, it makes no difference, you figure they wouldn't say it if it weren't true . . . | ||
| geokstr (geokstr) Intermediate Member Username: geokstr Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.19.17.55 |
And for once, I have to agree with Solopilot. Why bornagins and other ostensibly Christian people would suport the left is mind-boggling. It's SECULAR over there. They would just as soon do away with religion completely. I suspect you pick one issue, like abortion, or gay rights, that both you and the left support and then everyone on the other side is SATAN. By the way, if you want to see "facts" rebutting Moore's fatuous drivel, try googling: Fahrenheit 9/11 debunked - 9,800 sites Fahrenheit 9/11 refuted - 5,000 sites Have any of you read the novel "Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury, on which the title of "9/11" is based? It's a story based in the future where ALL books are banned and burned. "Fahrenheit 451" is the temperature at which paper ignites. Ironically, your precious bible would be one of the FIRST to go if the likes of Moore took over. (Message edited by geokstr on December 26, 2004) | ||
| solopilot (solopilot) Member Username: solopilot Post Number: 87 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 216.190.204.218 |
Geo: I had wondered what that earthquake was all about. ;) There is an excellent DVD, "FahrenHYPE 9/11" which features interviews with several of the people who were "witnesses for the persecution" in Moore's fable. | ||
| ohwretchedmanthatiam (ohwretchedmanthatiam) Junior Member Username: ohwretchedmanthatiam Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.237.118.44 |
What is the half life of uranium any way? Are we talking about particles, and if so of which type, i.e. alpha, beta, etc. short or long wave radiation. I thought the half life of uranium refined was maxed out at 10,000 yrs. at which point it is lead. LOL Irony. Maybe they can use it for pencils during a pencil shortage. What is the rad level on a geiger conter of the pellets? I'm suprised the iraqi's and neighboring countries didn't just pick up the pellets and refine them to make a few nukes, LOL they were given the materials for making a weapon of mass destruction. Irony. Well sir, when did they start making WMD? Well... just after we dropped the polluted weaponry on them. We were really upset when they tried to refine our depleted uranium, i.e. usually 87% is salvagible for running a reactor core for another 4.5 years at 100% power. Oh well it must have been a lack of environmental recycling training. Jesus/GOD Bless those who escape the stupidity of the world with it's back, mind, heart and soult turned away from GOD/Jesus and munching on the tree of knowledge of good and evil. | ||
| geokstr (geokstr) Intermediate Member Username: geokstr Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.19.10.136 |
Wretch: Why don't you try google instead of making stupid statements? There are three isotopes of uranium, with half-lives of 4.5 billion down to 244,000 years. Uranium is found EVERYWHERE in nature. Nuclear reactors run on ENRICHED uranium, or U235, and what remains after removing the U235 is DEPLETED uranium, U238, with a half-life of 4.5 billion years. It is absolultely USELESS in both reactors and bombs. It is 1/3 less radioactive than natural uranium and "...it is 10 million times less radioactive gram for gram than Americium-241 which is found in domestic smoke detectors". Maybe if we fired several hundred trillion rockets at them with depleted uranium in them, they might get a rash or something (if they happen to EAT it that is.) | ||
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| osirus (osirus) New member Username: osirus Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
I dont believe its all true but most of it is. G.W Bush is a scumbag | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) New member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Somebody please point out a verifiable lie from farenheit 9/11. Is it a lie that former pres Bush worked as a consultant for the Bin Laden oil group until 2003? Senior Bush still has a national security clearance, and he was working for the Bin Laden family 2 years after 9/11? Say it ain't so. Is it any wonder that Bin Laden has not been caught? | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) New member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Somebody please point out a verifiable lie from farenheit 9/11. Is it a lie that former pres Bush worked as a consultant for the Bin Laden oil group until 2003? Senior Bush still has a national security clearance, and he was working for the Bin Laden family 2 years after 9/11? Say it ain't so. Is it any wonder that Bin Laden has not been caught? | ||
| osirus (osirus) Junior Member Username: osirus Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
thanks ihavesinned. Its ok, three moron years. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 55 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
This guy talking about refining depleted uranium doesn't know anything. Depleted uranium cannot be enriched and used for bombs, though it is toxic when vaporized, and pencils use graphite, not lead. Maybe he should munch a little more on the tree of knowledge. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 56 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Looks like Niel C Riehnart ran for the hills when somebody wanted him to back up his accusations of Moore. Good thing he's too damn smart to be bamboozled. Didn't Moore offer a 10K dollar prize to disprove his facts? Did you see the part in that movie when the secret service showed up in front of the Saudi embassy? What the hell is that about. That wasn't fabricated. | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 264 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 192.173.33.114 |
I saw fahrenheit 911 and I believe... | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 265 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 192.173.33.114 |
I am trying to figure out why I have never seen any of these threads before. I am more interested in these topics than those in the religious section...any way, just wanted to let you all know I am enjoying your posts. |
