| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
My brother has recently joined a group that matches the majority of the criteria on the cult info. that I've researched on the net. The group is called Worldworks. I am highly concerned for him and the rest of my immediate family, as he has been avidly working to recruit each and everyone of us. PLEASE respond to this message if you have any valuable information. I love my brother, I know he and all of our family needs help. However, I feel family counseling would be more beneficial in the long run. | ||
| Anonymous |
You could have someone kidnap him and then have him deprogrammed. Forcible removal can be damaging but I feel the end justifies the means. | ||
| Anonymous |
If you and the family can set up an immediate NO contact with your brother (drastic) no phone calls, nothing. The cult may lose interest very fast in him. Cut him off finantially, shut down if you can his bank accounts and just watch the cult out him onto the streets. These cults that don't encourage isolation, are the worst. They not only want a targets dollars, they want the families also. Set up an immediate NO contact rule, do not support him finantially, do not lend him money for any reason and hold tight. The cult will abandon him. | ||
| Anonymous |
I have mixed feelings about your NO CONTACT suggestion..Somehow, the victim needds to know there is a loving family that will welcome him WHEN he chooses to leave. I do agree that when the money dries up the victim is of little use, unless they can earn money by whatever means possible, including the sex trade. | ||
| Anonymous |
Anonymous 11:28, You should tell your brother that you love him and will be here for him when he decides to cease contact with people whom you do not want around your family. DEFINITELY though, and without a doubt, don't allow him access to any monies/jewelery around your household or while you are visiting with him. He has to learn his own lessons regarding these people, but there is no reason you should have to contribute financially to it in the process. Keep Safe, I'm going to search them on the internet. Can I ask what Country and/or State this is in? | ||
| will wilson (204.100.211.2) |
This thread has been dead for a while, but WW is still out there. Operating in Orange County California. | ||
| Anonymous (205.188.117.20) |
I just went to the Worldworks workshop and I got an evil feeling the minute I walked into the room. I only made it through thte first couple of days before I made a run for it. You should fear your brothers involment with this group. | ||
| Kim Trent (4.166.75.154) |
My husband of 30 years joined the Karios life training "program" and he is being so controlled by theses evil people that I am sick to my stomach and he has broken my heart. He did not know anything about this "self-help" group, I reached out for help to his family because Mark would not open up to me, stayed alone in his closet for hours on end, ignored me and my kids,ect..His very strange step-dad paid for this marathon weekend training class, and since then he has become a stranger to me. I asked Mark to tell me he still loves me, and he said THAT IS A DEMAND. I will not answer to your demands. Now, everything is either a "perception", a truth, a non-truth, or he has to pick up the phone and call his e-group partner, which of course is a woman. I was about to receive a back rub for herniated disks in my back, he told me to get comfortable, then left me w/o my clothes on to call his partner. After 16 minutes he returned. He has to listen to his mind-control tapes or have their okay to do anything anymore. I am no longer a priority, or my children. I feel like he is either judging me now, or comparing me to the 56 women or so that have been sucked up into this understanding self, opposed to how to relate to his family. He spit on me one day after a session. I quit my job in 1978 to take care of him and his every want. Now I am 46yrs. old,with liver disease an so much stress I feel like I am dying inside. this is a nightmare. He is on the top of his career and is taking money out of our bank accounts ( secretly ), carrying around his coveted black bag with secret life training tapes, phone numbers, tools for his new mind-set and everything is under lock and key. He now refuses to make love to me, ( demand ), his perception of course. He is bragging about all his successful partners and their careers to make me feel insecure or jealous, what his motives are i do not know.. I asked him how the first night went, and he told me he learned he does not have to put up with my b.s. anymore. All his calls are confidential and he comes home and tells me about all his new female "partners' private problems and all their successful careers. I have given him all my life and love, and now, I am not good enough for his new mind-set. I am so sad and lonely that I feel like our union and marriage has already been destroyed by this sick group. We struggle to make ends meet, so he put $690.00 on my credit card for me and my 18 year old daughter to join his new family...if I want to SAVE this marriage. I would never want to be like him. Where does God play a part in this group? He has no emotions, except anger, and dissatisfaction with me now. He only looks forward to his Thursday night group with all women and no time for me. He informed me he will become a trainer in September. Is there any hope for us? Have I really lost my best friend, my husband? Please help me, I do not have any living family or support system and I am dying inside and hurting to the core of my soul. Kim | ||
| Anonymous (217.157.116.127) |
Dear Kim Reading your sad and desperate story brought a heavy feeling on my heart. You have all my sympathy. It is clear that your husband is not treating you well. It is clear that you are not happy, and probably have not been happy for a long time. You think you need your husband, but I suspect the situation is the exact opposite: Your husband desperately needs you, to put down, so that he himself can feel superior. Without a servant the master ceases to exist. Maibe you could benefit from reading Sam Vaknins accounts of narcissists. Obviously i can't say if your husband is a narcissist but he clearly behaves without compassion for you and is treating you cruelly - whether he knows it or not. I think you already know that you are in an abusive situation. You are stressed out and worn out, and your emotional hurt is causing confusion..not the best conditions to think clearly and make important decisions. If you have any means at all, to create some peace and space for yourself, do it. And then, when you are more calm and see things more clearly, make your decisions about the necessary steps to improve your life so that you can live with dignity again. I'm sorry you don't have any family to support you. I hope you have friends and other trustworthy people in your life to support you. You sound like a very warm and loyal person, so I am 100 % certain you will find love again. 3 billion men on this planet, remember :-) Best wishes | ||
| r18gtx (r18gtx) New member Username: r18gtx Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 200.76.101.2 |
I live in México and I work for a family who have attended to mexworks workshops (mexworks is a flial to worldworks) and people who knew this family before the workshops told me they are quite different now; and they invited an instructor to work for their company. Three years later, the company is on the edge of bankrupt. These people really do some work....on your brain; here in México, they have destroyed and sunk entire families and companies. Today, I just learned that they have spred around the world: United States, México, Chile, Argentina and the Netherlands... just to put some names on. Beware. | ||
| whodunnit (whodunnit) New member Username: whodunnit Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 68.164.128.225 |
My family too has been sucked into the worldworks life changing inner power seminars to the extent that it takes first priority over everything in their lives. My sister literally took her dying dog and laid him outdoors away from the comfort of his home where he could die peacefully just so she wouldn't miss one of her "commitments". I have simply lost these family members to worldworks. If the phone rings they run like robots. I went to their invitational seminar and they basically tied me to a chair to get me to commit and fork over a down payment to join them. Having extensive sales experience and training it was so very obvious to me that this is an illegal pyramid scheme that keeps itself a step ahead of the law by "encouraging" it's members to serve in the community which is the only good outcome I have seen from this organization so far. What does it take to investigate a pyramid scheme like this??? How muich is Lisa pocketing from all of this anyway??? The funny thing is.......these members are sooooo stupid that Lisa pockets the money and what do the members gain???? The experience!!!! I cannot stop laughing at their stupidity. A similar group called Life Spring erupted a few years back and was shut down.......anyone interested in exposing this fraud??? I myself am not interested in pursuing this fraudulant organization and frankly if my family members are stupid enough to allow themselves to become sucked in and brainwashed by it all........let them have it. Now if my children are stupid enough to get sucked in.....that's another story | ||
| sadsister (sadsister) New member Username: sadsister Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 67.3.198.81 |
My sister just returned from a Beyond your Best workshop in Indiana. Beyond Your best's founder was a part of Life Spring. My sister is gone...she is a zombie, with no emotions. Nothing about her is the same. Her only focus is too recruit as many people to go as possible. We know that we have lost her and researching as much as possible so that we can help her and save the rest of our family. whodunnit said that people are stupid to allow themselves to be brainwashed, truth is they mind controlled and it was not a choice, it can happen to anyone. I will say they did have a choice to research it before they went in, but it's too late to do that for my sister. We are in the midst of extensive research, we have even contacted beyond's contacts from their website. They have proven our doubts, they are dumb enough to argue, but struggle to answer our questions. They answer with silence, or ignore us and ramble. We have to help my sister, because this one thing that she is not in control of....Our next steps are to find an exit-counselor, and people who have been through the program and have escaped.....If anyone knows someone who could give us more insight, we would be so greatful. God Bless. | ||
| assistantk New member Username: assistantk Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 71.98.71.46 |
Sadsister, I think I may have found some help for you but I don't know how to get it to you. Please let me know how. | ||
| jab1971 New member Username: jab1971 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.236.25.71 |
Sadsister I have a friend well actually closer than that, that has just went to Beyond your Best also. Used to be we shared every thing together.When she first started going she labeled it a leadership class. I should have paid much closer attention. Her personality changed beyond compare. And catch pharsed such " YOU DON'T GET " started to become everday words. She pulled away more and more. Now she is at the end of level 3 and I don't know what to do. Her new found friend take priority over anyone else, even her parents. I was ready to go and then I started to investigate it more and upon finding out more and more I tried to reach her on her level. It did nothing but push her away. She said I had to experience it for myself. I would love to shut done these type of people. I know how you feel | ||
| geegee New member Username: geegee Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 68.58.57.223 |
I've just completed the first class at Beyond Your Best. I chose to go because an acquaintance of mine became open and trusting with me- and our relationship turned into an authentic friendship I really value. I asked her what the change was and she told me about BYB. I researched it and learned what I could and decided to go. None of what I've read in this thread truly resembles what I learned this past weekend. I never heard "YOU DON'T GET" the entire time I was there. BYB is more about connecting with yourself and with the people in your life more fully- being more loving and giving and allowing yourself to trust again. I have already seen improvements in my relationships and after years of ambivalence, I'm really committed to my business and my life. I'm signed up for the next class in a couple of weeks. I'm really not interested in anything beyond that, and that is totally fine with the people who run the company. If you don't want to take any more of their classes, you just don't have to. Period. It sounds to me like the people you're talking about didn't really get the information quite right. I'm sorry- BYB teaches you to bring the love, not cut off the people you love. |
