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     Anonymous |
Ex-Manson follower to ask for release Published Monday, May 20, 2002 By FELISA CARDONA STAFF WRITER Leslie Van Houten plunged a knife into Rosemary La Bianca's dead body 14 times in August 1969. For the last 33 years she's been behind prison walls trying to change the past. But the legacy left by members of Charles Manson's crime family won't likely be forgotten, and there's hardly a soul who can forgive Van Houten for mutilating the 38-year-old woman. On Thursday, San Bernardino Superior Court Judge Bob N. Krug will listen to Van Houten's attorney appeal the state parole board's decision that Van Houten is not suitable for release.**** Van Houten, 52, says she participated in the murders of Rosemary and Leno La Bianca because Manson brainwashed her and caused her to be confused with drugs and sex.**** Manson tied up the La Biancas at their home on Waverly Drive and asked followers Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Van Houten to finish the job. Van Houten said Watson told her to stab Rosemary La Bianca in the back and buttocks after she was dead.**** from http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/articles/0502/20/new02.asp | ||
| Anonymous |
Judge to hear parole plea from Manson follower By Felisa Cardona Staff Writer ***Van Houten, 52, says she participated in the murders of Rosemary and Leno La Bianca because Manson brainwashed her and confused her with drugs and sex when she lived with the Manson group at the Spahn Ranch in the hills above the San Fernando Valley. The former homecoming princess from a middle-class neighborhood in Altadena joined Manson and his band of misfits in the late 1960s and agreed to help with Manson's plan to kill wealthy whites and blame the murders on African-Americans so that he could start a race war.*** The La Bianca murders occurred in Los Feliz one night after actress Sharon Tate and four of her houseguests were similarly murdered in their Benedict Canyon home. Van Houten, 19 at the time, wasn't involved in the Tate murders, but she hasn't been able to shake the stigma of her association with the Manson family and what she did to Rosemary La Bianca's body. Manson tied up the La Biancas at their home on Waverly Drive and asked followers Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Van Houten to finish the job. Van Houten said Watson told her to stab Rosemary La Bianca in the back and buttocks after she was dead. *** A jury found Van Houten guilty in 1971, and she was sentenced to death. During the trial, Van Houten remained loyal to Manson and scratched an X onto her forehead to copy him. Van Houten's death sentence was reversed when a higher court ruled she did not have adequate trial representation. Her 1977 retrial ended in a hung jury. She was tried again in 1978 and convicted in the La Bianca murders, and a judge sentenced her to life in prison but with the possibility of parole. Van Houten eventually renounced Manson and her association with his followers. She has been a model prisoner, earned college degrees and worked as a clerk for a prison supervisor. Still, the Board of Prison Terms has denied her release 14 times. At her last hearing -- in June 2000 -- the parole board issued a two-year denial and suggested that Van Houten needed additional counseling so that she could reflect on her crime. "Ms. Van Houten needs therapy to face, discuss, understand and cope with stress in a nondestructive manner," the board members said in a joint written decision.*** from http://www.dailynews.com/news/articles/0502/20/new09.asp | ||
| Anonymous |
Manson cult member denied parole From correspondents in Los Angeles June 29, 2002 THE youngest member of notorious cult leader Charles Manson's murderous "family" lost her latest bid for freedom today when she was denied parole from her life sentence for murder for the 14th time. Leslie Van Houten, 52, failed to convince the parole board that she was a reformed character, despite expressing her shame over her devotion to Manson and her role in the brutal killing of a Los Angeles couple in 1969. "The prisoner needs continued therapy to further understand the enormity of her life crime, her participation in the crime and the impact this crime has had on the victims," parole commissioner Sharon Lawin said. "Your crimes and the risk factor (if you are released) outweigh your positive programming," Lawin added after hearing that Van Houten had been a model prisoner despite her involvement in one of the most notorious crime gangs in history. Van Houten had sought to be released after having served more than 30 years behind bars for the stabbing murders of grocery store chain owner Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary in their Los Angeles home. :::Van Houten -- Manson's youngest follower -- and fellow "family" members Tex Watson and Patricia Krenwinkel broke into the LaBianca home and carried out a murder which copied the one committed a day earlier in Tate's home. After Manson tied the couple up, Watson stabbed Leno LaBianca while Van Houten and Krenwinkel held his wife down in a bedroom. When they were unable to kill her, Van Houten said, Watson stabbed her with a bayonet and gave Van Houten a knife and ordered her to "do something". She then stabbed the apparently dead woman 14 to 16 times. :::None of the Manson family members have ever obtained parole. Manson himself was denied a 10th bid for release earlier this year. from http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,4602636%255E1702,00.html | ||
| A-jay |
why do you all sound like you are blaiming manson for these murders and him alone?. i dont get it, mansons "family" are as much to blame as he is. Yet ms.Vanhouten is Claiming He Brainwashed Her with drugs and sex, when They went down they all went down together, but now it appears she is trying to save whatever amount of years she has left by blaiming him. IN My opinoin many use manson as a scape goat. | ||
| Anonymous |
Manson is so chicken he had woamen to kill for him. They were such idiots they did it. They should all be put to death. And the public viewing this should see how following people like Manson can get you life in prison or death ........no hope for them, let them all roast in hell.....anon | ||
| Aaron Agassi |
Manson's brainwashing cult techniques should not be underestimated. Similar indoctrination precedes many crimes against humanity. | ||
| Anonymous |
I think leslie van houten and Patricia Krenwinkel should of recieved their parole years ago. They have both been honest about their involvement in events and do not represent a danger to the public. Susan Atkins is almost there but is sometimes evasive about her actual involvement at parole hearings. However i do not believe Susan is anymore a risk to the public than the other two. I do believe the time has come to free all three of them. | ||
| Anonymous |
I`ve heard that Lesley Van Houten has a website. Does anyone have any idea about this? I cannot find it. Please post it if you know. I think she and ONLY she should be released from prison. | ||
| scooty |
no way should any manson killer get out not manson or his former followers mostly the tate-labianca killers.sharon and her unborn baby did not deserve to be savagely cut up like that atkins wrote pig in her blood after they killed her nor did the labiancas deserve to be butchered to death or abigail folger,sebring,steve parent and frykowski .i don't feel a bit sorry for any of those scumbags not after seeing pictures of the bloody crime scene i hope none of them get released | ||
| Anonymous |
I don't feel pity for any of them either. They are just paying for what they did. People need to take responsibility for what they do. And what do they have to complain about? They are all alive. Not so with the people they murdered. | ||
| Anonymous |
All of them should be in prison.So what if some of them have been living decent lives recently. They should still be punished for what they did. I don't think they should just go free. Forget that. I'm sure all of you that think some of them should go free, would be singing a different tune if they had killed one of your loved ones. The entire bunch of them were sick to even listen to that crazy Manson. | ||
| clasione |
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| clasione |
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| I was in the courtroom 5 times |
Lets REMEMBER! Lesley Van Houten WAS NOT a `killer`! The FACT is, she did NOT kill anyone!! Period. Yes, she DID in fact stab the woman AFTER she was already dead. While she was under the influence of drugs. (and under the influence of Charlie!) Well- she went to prison for her participation, and she`s been there all these years. SHE has paid for her participation in this awful crime. She, however did not kill anyone, so now after being in prison all these many years,and put in all this time, AND, by the way, has always been a model inmate, she should be relaesed!!! WHY shouldn`t she be? Anyone else would have been by now. Its only because of the case being so famous. | ||
| glenn |
I get tired of the Bull that Leslie Van Houten was Not a Killer. Some people argue she stabbed Rosemary La Bianca 14-16 times, but only after the woman had already been killed by Tex Watson... You forget two very important things: 1) Van Houten detained Mrs. La Biana; she prevented the woman from escaping - in effect, she held Mrs. La Bianca in that home until the other executioners were through killing her husband and were ready for their next victim. 2) Van Houten pinned Mrs. La Bianca down on the floor while Watson stabbed her in the heart. A jury sentenced Van Houten to death 30 years ago, and rightly so. She should be a pile of dust six feet in the ground, like her victim, rather than whining about how she's "changed" and is now ready for the freedom to live and breath that she took from another human being. | ||
| Anonymous |
Thats B.S. She still didn`t do the killing. Yes, she DID hold down the woman, for fear for her life if she didn`t participate. She knew she had to follow the orders of Tex, or she would pay, maybe with her own life. But the fact is, most people in this country that are convicted of murder are released after several years. Well she wasn`t the actual killer, and she remains in prison more than 30 years later! Its only because this case is related to the whole Charles Manson crimes that she`s still in jail. If this case wasn`t so famous, she would have been released LONG ago. Just like other convicts are after they`ve served their time. | ||
| Anonymous |
I agree that Leslie Van Houten is guilty of the LaBianca murders because even she admits on a couple of documentaries that, "When we drove to that LaBianca house, I KNEW death was going to take place." However, I also agree with the other side to the story too. I am disappointed with the Parole Board by telling Ms. Van Houten a different reason for her parole denial each time she appears. They have not been consistent as to what Van Houten should do to win parole. That's why we have parole hearings to start with and the Parole Board should give all who are eligible for parole(and obviously Van Houten has been 14 times)a fair chance to win parole REGARDLESS of how famous or notorious the crime was. I believe the Courts, Judges and Parole Board know Van Houten is NOT a dangerous person who would simply start plotting murders(she didn't even plot those Tate/Labianca murders in 1969--some sick madman did). Rather, the Courts and Parole Board fear the public's reaction if she is released and fear negative publicity toward them by virtue of Van Houten being affiliated with "Manson" whom she is no longer associated with. Also, I bet they fear it could possibly open the door and pave the way for the parole of the other 4 murderers involved --- even Manson himself. MY concern is for Leslie Van Houten's personal well-being if she is released. Is she going to have to watch her back everywhere she goes? Is she going to have to sleep with one eye open every night? Are there any snipers, vigilantes, or hit men waiting for her the minute she steps out of prison? Furthermore, she told the Parole Board that she intends to live with a "FRIEND" and live a quiet life and work if released. That sounds good but I'd like to know who this "FRIEND" is. Is it a young degenerate man whom she plans to shack up with? (That's what got her into the mess she's in to start with---Remember Bobby Mackey?) How is she going to accomplish anything or get any work done with him dragging her back to the bedroom all the time? This will just mess up her mind all over again. (Leslie needs to wait a little while before she starts another love relationship, but that's her business I guess). Leslie is a human being too! Let's be fair about that. There are many other people who have been convicted of murder released on parole and have lived productive lives. I don't know why Leslie would be an exception. She is NOT an instigator of murder like Manson is. She was just a young emotionally disturbed teenager on drugs who was drug into this situation. She's grown up since then. Any decision a Parole Board makes will be liked by one side and disliked by the other. I'm not going to give a yea or neigh but just treat her equally fair and independently of any other applicant. Otherwise, we are just teasing her by telling to be good and you'll be "rewarded". Well, she has been good by doing everything asked of her and more. Let's stop teasing her and messing with her mind like that because that could just mess her mind up all over again. This is how a really feel about all this! | ||
| Anonymous |
That last post was great. I feel its time she was released. She`s done her time for what she did. The rest of them that actually did any killing should never be released. Lesley should be released! There sure are alot of people that get out a lot sooner than this, and they did a lot worse than she did! | ||
| AXL LENNON |
Listen, you pigs. This is a fact: IF SHARON TATE AND JAY SEBRING HAD NOT BEEN CELEBRITIES, THEN MR MANSON WOULD BE FREE TODAY. People, he did not shoot or stab anyone on those 2 nights. He's been locked up for 34 years for being an ACCESSORY to murder? That's unheard of. This was probably the first case ever in the good ol' USA that the MEDIA sent someone to jail. If there would have been no celebrities in that house, then you assholes wouldn't even know who Mr. Manson is. Now, don't get me wrong: WATSON, ATKINS, KRENWINKLE, AND VAN HOUTEN SHOULD NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY AGAIN. But goddamnit, Charles Manson didn't kill anyone that weekend. That's a fact, piggies. WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE, WE GOT FUN AND GAMES. | ||
| Anonymous |
To AXL Lennon: Manson "ordered" the killings. That's makes him an accessory whether he killed anyone himself or not. He also was responsible for having tied up the LaBianca's. Again, that makes him an accessory. Look it up in the law books, talk to a lawyer, they'll tell you. Anyone with half a brain will tell you. MANSON WAS AN ACCESSORY TO MURDER! There are countless examples of cases before Manson's crime and after, where people have been convicted of accessory to murder because they drove the getaway car, or they helped hide the body, or they bought the weapon. The point is that Manson was responsible for the murders because he ordered them, orchestrated them, and participated by physically restraining 2 of the victims with rope, thus preventing their escape and any hope of surviging the attack. You may be right (or not) about the celebrity angle but only in that the trial would not have revieved the publicity that it did if the victims had been ordinary citizens or if Sharon Tate hadn't been 8 1/2 months pregnant. Otherwise, due to the cruesomeness of the murders, celebrity victims or not, I firmly believe the outcome would have been the same: a gulty verdict for ALL the defendants, Manson included. If you would stop your pathetic "Poor Charlie" whining long enough to open a history book you would see just how stupid your comments are. Take a look at the Lindberg Kidnapping Case. Now that was a real media circus as was the Scopes Monkey Trial. Both trials were heavily covered by the press that make the O.J. Simpson trial look like a Sunday walk in the park. Both defendants were deemed guilty by the press. And what about Lee Harvey Oswald? Don't you think that if Ruby hadn't killed him the media would have? You need to wake up and smell the coffee. You're are not dealing with a full load of bricks. | ||
| axl lennon |
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| Anonymous |
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| Anonymous |
LESLEY VAN HOUTEN SHALL BE RELEASED !!!!! SHE`S COMPLETELY INNOCENT !!!! MANSON AND HIS MURDERERS SHALL REMAIN IN PRISON TILL THEY ROT. LESLEY IS NOT A MURDERER AND SHOULD NOT BE IN PRISON. BOTTOM LINE. HAVE A NICE DAY.  | ||
| Anonymous |
I, for one, agree 100% with that last post. She`s already been in prison MUCH longer than she should have been for her involvement. | ||
| Anonymous |
HELLO???????????? Anybody here??? | ||
| MHRN |
Leslie Van Houten at 21 years of age was described by a psychiatrist as being the most dangerous of the three girls. Completely antisocial. He also claimed that she was the least influenced by Manson. She participated willingly and with thought to the consequences. Yes she has been turned down at parole whereas others in her situation have been granted parole. However I like to think that the parole board is the safety net that weeds out those that are dangerous. Dangerous meaning that some people are born that way and you can not rehab a personality component. Anyway I am interested in reading anything recent on these people. Anyone know were? I'm getting tired of people who mouth off yet have no real knowledge of the crimes. Try reading something informative before offering opinions. It frightens me that some of these people can vote! Leslie Van Houten was convicted of MURDER. She herself said that mrs LaBianco may have been alive when she stabbed her. Does it really matter? The intent was the same. | ||
| Anonymous |
OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!! SHE, HERSELF STABBED THE DEAD BODY ONLY BECAUSE SHE WAS ORDERED TO DO SO. SHE IS NOT THE ONE WHO KILLED HER. ALSO, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT INFO THAT LESLEY WAS ``ANTI SOCIAL`?? THATS A REAL CROCK! SHE MAY HAVE BEEN INTROVERTED CONCERNING THIS CASE BACK THEN (PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE INFLUENCE OF DRUGS AND BRAINWASHING), BUT LESLEY WAS NEVER AN ANTI SOCIAL PERSON IN GENERAL. JUST THE EXACT OPPOSITE! SHE WAS THE MOST POPULAR GIRL, HOMECOMING QUEEN, MISS CONGENIALITY, MISS POPULAR, ETC. ETC. ETC. THE GIRL WAS THE EXTREME OPPOSITE OF ANTI SOCIAL!!! NOT TO MENTION THAT SHE CAME FROM A NICE FAMILY AND FROM A UPPER-CLASS FAMILY AND BACKROUND. AND THE LEAST LIKELY OF YOUNG GIRLS TO GET HERSELF INVOLVED WITH THESE BLOOD THIRSTY ROBOTS OF CHARLES MANSON. DO RESEARCH. SUSAN ATKINS AND CHARLES WATSON WERE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THE MOST DANGEROUS. | ||
| MHRN |
Have you ever read a book titled the Psychiatric Diagnostic and Statistics Manual, 4th edition? It is the psychiatry bible and will be a medical research book found anywhere that deals with mental health. Every good mental health professional has one! There is actually a medically acknowledged group of people termed personality disorders and there are several different kind. Anti-social personality disorder does fit Leslie. Read it and please comment. It may take me some time to get back to you as I have a small child. I have done my research! I think the most dangerous of them all was Lynette Fromme. ( Squeaky ) She is currently serving a life sentence for pulling a gun on President Gerald Ford!!!! I can't help but notice your anger in your reply. I don't profess to having an emotional attachment to this case. I do research on serial killers. What is your stake in this? | ||
| Anonymous |
Free Lesley. Its time for her to be released. | ||
| Anonymous |
Its not fair that she should be wasting her ENTIRE life in prison when murderers---people who killed people with their own hand are let out of prison every day in this country. They serve their time and after a few years they are set free. the same should go to Lesley! | ||
| MHRN |
It appears that the details of the crime become an issue at parole hearings even if the parole board members are to remain objective. I personally hope that those circumstances are an event are hearings. Also Lesley should have been executed if not for changing California law. Most parole boards want reports on parole applicants before they interview them. No doubt Lesley has been evaluated by any psychologist, Psychiatrist, or social worker who could get near her as she is a superstar of forensic culture. Maybe these professionals that we rely on to keep us safe from what goes bump in the night have reported some not so nice things about the workings of Lesleys mind. ( Dr. Joel Hochman, Court appointed psychiatrist 1971. With regard to Lesley Van Houten, who of the three girls was least commited to Manson, yet she still murdered for him, I fear that she may grow harder and tougher; I have very little hope for her eventual rehabilitation.) I am writing from Australia. Is there a maximum of years served for a life sentence there? I believe in England there is as some Human Rights group got involved in the Myra Hindly case and found it unconstitutional that she be detained any longer than 2004 and the british government were going to have to release her. Tough luck to kack it with 1 year to go. Guess Rosemary West is hanging alone these days. | ||
| Anonymous |
Here's a Tip: If you don't want to sit in prison for 30 or 40 years - and then whine that you should be free - then don't go out and kill people, and don't hang around with other people that are weak enough to go out on killing sprees because they think some sick little lifetime convict is God ... | ||
| Glenn |
To Axl Lennon et all: Keep this in mind: - Adolf Hitler didn't personally kill anyone. - Osama bin Laden didn't personally kill anyone. - Tojo in Japan or all the Nuremburg Nazis who were hanged didn't personally kill anyone... - Mafia leaders don't personally kill anyone. By your reasoning I guess they are all innocent and should enjoy freedom !!!!! | ||
| Anonymous |
You can`t hardly compare these murder-minded morons with an innocent young teen-ager that gets hooked up with the trash and the wrong people such as Manson`s group...keep in mind that she was influenced while on LSD and threatened with her own life to cooperate with Watson on this night. She was and is NOT like the blood-thirsty Susan Atkins and Tex Watson...they loved participating, and Atkins even bragged about it for years in prison. These people should never get out. Lesley has already paid her dues and should be free, just like anyone else is freed in a situation like hers. Period. | ||
| Glenn |
Van Houten should have been fried in the electric chair 30 years ago, before many Americans were even born. She is extremely lucky to even be breathing - let alone to be whining about where she is breathing ... | ||
| Anonymous |
Well, ``Glenn``... you obviously don`t know the facts, do you. She didn`t kill anyone, and she`s been in prison long enough for her participation in this cult group. If this wasn`t the famous Manson case, she would have been released long, long ago. | ||
| Glenn |
Well, "Anonymous" ... you obviously don't know the law, do you? Here's what Van Houten did: Held Mrs. Bianca captive in the home while Watson killed Mr. Bianca ... then pinned Mrs. Bianca to the floor while Watson killed her ... and then stabbed her corpse multiple times ... Van Houten's actions are IDENTICAL, in law, to stopping Mrs. Bianca's heart herself ... which is why she was originally sentenced to Death ... | ||
| Anonymous |
Like `Anonymous` said, if this wasn`t the infamous Manson case and so well known as it is, she would have been released long ago. She should have been let out a long time ago anyway, in my opinion. Other people who have done alot worse than she did are released after several years. | ||
| Glenn |
I doubt very much that any of you who want Van Houten released would be as generous if your own parents, children or close friends were slaughtered in their homes for no reason whatsoever ... How would Mr. and Mrs. Bianca's children and grandchildren feel knowing ANY of the Manson gang were out sunning themselves at the beach and doing the celebrity talk-show circuit? | ||
| Anonymous |
the bottom line is that these people, were against establishment, against all it stands for, it's funny that these things they were against are true.....jobs leaving the country,pollution,senseless war, and turning your backs on youth.....seems exactly what's going on today,except in late 60s,they were getting the first taste of all this..they probably did think the world was going to end......charlie got rejected by the people in the house...and ordered there deaths........ANYBODY who sz these people need to be free needs to get there head checked!!! they should have fried.The manson family, just like these people from the middle east....think they know what is best for us...and that is death.....YOU people who support freeing these people are the same people who say NO WAR in the middle east....if there are 2 types of people i dont like.....are people from the middle east who stab us in the back, and lazy ass whiners from the sixties who are afraid to work for a living //////I can hardley wait when these so called baby booming "peace, loving hypocrites" are gone,and we(generation x)finally take back all the jobs and aid we give to other countries, as well as getting cheated out of our social security.....the sixties generation is what put us in this mess.....you people like to sit back and collect your comp checks,take our jobs away, and then have the nerve to say that these people(family) should be free........Smoke another one | ||
| Anonymous |
I understand and agree with most of what you say. But if it weren't for those "baby booming peace loving hypocrites", you wouldn't be here. | ||
| Anonymous |
P.S. When I say you I mean "generation X". | ||
| Anonymous |
80 % of `generation X` are shallow-minded morons that don`t know shit about life in general. Everything about them is so shallow, especially their trashy loose morals. So much worse than the kids of the `60`s were! Look around. You can`t miss it. | ||
| Anonymous |
90% of all shoes were made in USA til mid 80's....who ruined that,the baby boomer. we had jobs in this country..besides unions,who ruined that? the baby boomer.wha wha wha ,let's protest....you people dont realize that unions and protesting made the corperations leave this country..IT"S ALL YOUR FAULT i have no respect for the baby boomer...wha wha wha go cry in your coffee .....gen x dont care. as soon as gen x gets into the controls.....there will be no more offshoring jobs, no more ripping off people's 401k's, and family life will be so much better when we put boomers out to pasture....it is our turn now....No one listens to you boomers...who are bitter 2 faced people. when you go to a bar.....we dont evan look at you....when you say something out loud, we dont pay attention to what you have to say.....boomers....your kids are sick of being lied to. you had your chance when the economy was good, but your whin asses arent satisfied...YOU PEOPLE continue to fleece america......all these corperate scams are BOOMERS, they are jeleous of gen X ....and have to take it all for themselves, whether it be sitting on there ass collecting comp, or insurance fraud, or simply just passing loans at the bank...and then get there $ and skip town...WHAT A PIECE OF WORK....GEN EX....the next time you are at a bar, and you see one of these BOOMERS trying to fit in, just remember...they think we are morons....take a good look at the BOOMER...you will find out...no one is really paying attention to him, and for me(gen x)...i be marking the days on the calender when these left wing ass holes leave office and have nothing but a cold piece of the sidewalk....WE WIN, GAME OVER, SORRY BOOMERS. | ||
| Anonymous |
the sixties generation was nothing but a big lie. kids today are wise to it all and know they are getting ripped off. they dont care about you boomers, who think it is necessary to put your nose in everybody's business. us kids dont care what you think.......you people are bitter and untruthful. and think you know what is right for us....at least when i get old and have to go to an old age home...i wont have to worry about the fact that gen x will be waiting there to give you absolutely the best love and care ..come on you can trust us. cant you? im so glad that manson's ass is in a roach infested prison...and the rest of them....they thought that killing is what was best for us......now look at there hippie boomer asses.......boomers...you better realize that things will change...and that gen x and todays kids(which are with us) are wise to your bad judgements and costly mistakes.....you people will be put out to pasture...do you realize this? I hope the LSD was worth it..you ruined it for everyone..you denounced your parents and disrespected the law and government....and you call yourself peace and love......i call it getting the probe up your ass. | ||
| Anonymous |
left wing,marijuana smelling, arm pit reeking hippy whining,2 faced hypocrites is what is represented by a self absorbing baby boomer here | ||
| Anonymous |
I WISH THEY WOULD PUT THESE PEOPLE IN THE CHAIR AND LET KING GEORGIE BUSH DO A FEW ARM CURLS ON THE LEVER. COULD I BE ANY MORE SICK TO MY STOMACH...I VOMIT WHEN LEFT WINGERS TALK. THEY DONT EVAN MAKE SENSE. "I THINK IT'S TIME TO FREE THE THREE OF THEM" .....YOU MAKE ME VOMIT WHEN YOU FEEL SORRY FOR A BUNCH OF HIPPY BOOMERS WHO WHINE AND TAKE LSD BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST TOO BRILLIANT AND ARE TO GOOD FOR MORALS AND THIS COUNTRY. BOOMERS....STOP FEELING SORRY FOR THE PIECES OF SHIT HIPPIES WHO RUINED YOUR REPUTATION AND FADE TO GEN X. WE ARE THE FUTURE..THANK GOD | ||
| Anonymous |
yeah right. Generation X means-- Generation 0! (ZERO!) you `poor babies` have never had to fight for a damn thing, and you`ve always had everything handed to you. | ||
| Anonymous |
i aint talking about vietnam,,,,and who the hell do you think is in the gulf.....oh, i bet you want to tell me that boomers are there...whew who am i to judge? you boomers are the ones who had someone else fight your battles, you half baked moron. like i said ...hypocrites....they say oh we dont fight our battles......and it's the boomer left wings who wont let us...they say oh im not into drugs...and they were loaded on lsd...my god....cant you see that my point is going nowhere.....i am talking to the wall. you are a complete hypocrite...you dont know that gen x is over there....YET AGAIN....we are fighting your wars again while you watch it on your tv...probably stealing the broadcast on satillite...... whatever buddy. you debate like a hippie flower child who dont know shit ...go whine at starbucks coffee. stop making a fool out of yourself | ||
| Anonymous |
Look, < Personal insult deleted by Administrator >--I, myself, am NOT a boomer. Not old enough for that label. But some of you punks have so much to learn. | ||
| Anonymous |
I agree! they wont learn until their much older. At this age, they still think they know it all, when the truth is,they don`t know shit. | ||
| Anonymous |
Uhhh....Can we all PLEASE get back to the subject here?????? | ||
| Anonymous |
this is the exact point.....these people want the defendants who participated in the murders free......you people wouldnt be saying this if someone broke into your house......that's why i have security, a dog, lights, driveway sensor, and have guns, because if someone tries to hurt my person, place, or family, they might as well be wearing a sign saying "kill me". i think that all americans should arm themselves so that they can protect their families. imagine if tate and the others did that. then we would not be discussing their murders today. instead we would be discussing manson and his followers murders, and that would have been great. i think that it should be mandatory to know safety and possess a firearm. read the constitution. | ||
| Anonymous |
if someone entered my house, im not going to think "hey,this guy has problems, he's probably on drugs or needs the money.....he is going to be shot...i hv a right to do this. and if he is outside my property.....i will do the same....and if i spend 5 years in jail..so be it....id rather spend 5 years in jail than be in a caskit...because some scumbag has problems and cant work for the money....... | ||
| Anonymous |
I don't think you would have to spend five years in jail. You would be protecting yourself on your own property. | ||
| Glenn |
re: Protecting one's home ... Getting back to topic, whining Leslie Van Houten and her murderous friends should feel damned lucky that the LaBiancas or Tate guests didn't blow all their heads off when they invaded two homes to carry out genocide ... | ||
| Anonymous |
whatever , we should all just forge ahead, and live our lives and protect one another. this is yesterday's news......dont rely on your policemen to protect you. good thing is that if you protect yourself and family, then you bypass any possible government corruption as well as outnumbering the left wingers who try to regulate your rights. off the subject, im glad that we are liberating iraq....we should not tolerate any regime like his, terrorism, or any individual who tries to take away our freedom or safety. freedom does not mean what the sixties generaton think it does. freedom means that if any group who endangers our rights under constitution, or if illegal aliens take up our tax dollars, that we have the right to enforce our laws and protect our borders..no one should vote for these liberals in office. nafta should have never happened. if the jobs came back to our country...then crime problems would be resolved. | ||
| Glenn |
Murder is Murder, regardless of generations ... Law is Law, regardless of generations ... Van Houten was sentenced to Death, and she is very, very lucky that she wasn't executed 30 years ago. | ||
| Axl Atkins |
Oh, by the way, what exactly was precious little Mrs. Tate doing on that August night? If I'm not mistaken, she was "hanging out" with her ex-boyfriend while her husband was away working. I also recall that the cops found cocaine at the residence. Yeah, she was a real doll. Bottom line is if she would have been killed in a car crash, nobody would remember who the hell she was. Roman was the only one with any class in that bunch. | ||
| Anonymous |
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| Anonymous |
why bother wasting breath.it was a coverup. the girls didnt know better, but tex and charlie somehow knew that sebring had dope and where he was that night. they did drug business for the bikers. and the bikers did it for the mob....tex and charlie and bobby were small time and when sadie blabbed, they had to cover everything up to protect political people in hollywood, as well as the underworld. this cult thing is crap. it was just something to do for charlie to waste time by. he was a thug, not a killer. and he was working with the bikers. would you snitch on the mob and the bikers who pedaled the drugs for them...i dont think so. i think that they had info that sebring had big time dope on them, and tex went up to steal it. nothing else was taken in the house because he got what he wanted(the dope)...and the girls didnt know any better. they were brainwashed by the "helter skelter thing" hinman dead. why? bad dope deal....tate killings why? stole dope from sebring(manson got inside info from bikers) labiancas were killed..why? because not only was drugs the big business in L.A, but so wasnt gambling...and Leno owed big $$$$$....to the wrong people unfortunately. charlie was trying to be like the big boys and take care of some business, and "helter skelter" saved more lives than it destroyed.....all the political and drug trafficers hid behind "helter skelter"..and the family in return only got life instead. Dope and Gambling is big business. the politicians,trafficers,pushers, and manufacturers know this. Tex and Charlie got caught. Hinman deal went bad and so didnt Cielo drive. once police got involved, there was only one thing left for the elite to do...and since Sadie blabbed in prison because the girls didnt know better. so the higher paid off justice system heard everything that went bad ..and the next thing to do is to protect the big business with everything theyve got.....which is blackmail. they told Tex and Charlie...you have 2 choices. the gas chamber or life in prison. 3 yrs later they changed the death penalty. i wonder why. government never tells the public anything. notice all the scandals and coverups in the world today. the 3 biggest are Drugs, Corperate, and War. It's funny that everyone was protected, right down to the family. it's like dominoes .you have to save the first one or they will all fall down...i dont want to be ridiculed for this post. i just want to make people realize that big business happens everyday. and if somebody small screws up. they have to handle it very carefully, because reputations will be on the line, and $$$$$$ will be lost. sad but true | ||
| Liz |
Hey, anyone wanna help me on my english report? I got Charles Manson and his 'family' as my topic, mainly Leslie Van Houten. e,ail me, echartnett@msn.com | ||
| AXL ROSE |
Hey Liz, this sums it up. Leslie Van Houten should rot in jail. Charles Manson SHOULD NOT be in jail. He was merely an accessory to the crime. Here's the bottom line: IF SHARON TATE AND JAY SEBRING HAD NOT BEEN FAMOUS, THEN MANSON WOULD BE FREE TODAY. | ||
| Anonymous |
to all the people who think either one of these people should be free.....it will never happen. and it doesnt matter if it was manson or not....this crime = life in prison or death penalty. read the story how brutal these murders were and how the defendants laughed and snickered about it in court. they thought it was a joke. they will never get out of prison. it will never happen. get on with your lives and just forget about these people. stay in shape and own a gun and protect yourself. enjoy your life and dont waste another minute of it on these worthless scumbags of society. they are almost dead anyway, just like the other boomers who waste space and cost us taxpayer dollars senselessly. control the past and just forget about this. this forum is a waste of time. it really is. it talks about negative worthless issues that have nothing to do with your future. | ||
| JUSTICE |
Leslie Van Houten and her murderous friends should feel damned lucky that the LaBiancas or Tate guests didn't blow all their heads off when they invaded two homes to carry out genocide. The scum were then sentenced to Death and should feel damned lucky their sentences were commuted to LIFE in prison. Now they want out? Gimme a break ! Rot in prison, or rot in a grave - all of you murderers. | ||
| Anonymous |
I'd like to know if anyone is living in Sharon Tates home now & the LaBianca home as well? Did anyone ever buy it? | ||
| Anonymous |
I believe Trent Reznor of NIN bought the house while recording the downward spiral. He sold it afterwards and he took the door where Atkins spelt PIG. The house is torn down now and replaced with another house which is for sale but has no buyers. | ||
| Anonymous |
Sharon Tate was a skank who had group sex, and all sorts of kinky stuff going on in her life at the time. She tripped out on LSD regularly, and was with her ex boyfriend the night of the murders. She had no class whatsoever. I even read that she even was supplying drugs to the Manson `family`, and had cut them off, and then thats one of the reason her house was chosen the night of the murders. Who knows...it wouldn`t surprise me.. | ||
| deborah lawson |
To the anonymous person that wrote the message on July 7,2003.How would you know Sharon Tate was a skank that had group sex? Was you with her when she did this? And I'm sure it wouldn't suprise someone like you to hear she was selling drugs to the Manson family,since you're one of these idiots that believe every thing you hear then repeat it. | ||
| deborah lawson |
I've got something else to add to my last comment.I personally can't understand why any of the family,As they were called, Would want out of prison. Socitey would never execpt them.I have watched a few of Lesleys parole board meetings and she appears to be a very well mannerd lady with a great deal of intelligence(BUT)let her out and try to find work with her name.I don't think she could ever make it on the outside.God forgives,PEOPLE DO NOT. | ||
| Anonymous |
you must not have done much research concerning this subject. She was quite known as someone who slept with anyone to get roles, and she had a reputation for being cheap, and involved in sleaze and trash. Very surprised she wasn`t doing porn. maybe she was.She was just a B type movie actress. Valley of the Dolls was recognized because of the OTHER already known good actors in it who had respect from their previous work. | ||
| Anonymous |
who cares if sharon wuz a slut. | ||
| Vincent Bugliosi |
So, since Sharon Tate was a party girl, she had "no class", and couldn't have been an innocent victim, and so her memory deserves no respect, and we need have no compassion for those who come up morally deficient according to your standards, is that it? | ||
| Stalworthy |
the fact of the matter is morally she condoned the murder's of these people by protecting and harboring the killers. Attending the party and jamding out the party favors. She is quilty of these murders as if she had committed them. The same hold true for Scientology and the silence of it's party goer's who willfully allow crimes to be committed against unsuspecting and innocent people. | ||
| Vincent Bugliosi |
Stalworthy, you must have been there and seen it all, if what you are claiming is true. But I don't recall hearing your testimony at trial. I do recall that the pregnant Sharon Tate was brutally murdered in her own home. I don't recall there being any evidence of her guilt or complicity in the murders, her own or any other. | ||
| Lisa |
"Leslie had admitted that Rosemary LaBianca might still have been alive when she stabbed her; and that she not only stabbed hre in the buttocks and possibly the neck, but, "I could have done a couple on the back." (As I'd later remind the jury, many of the back wounds were not post-mortem, while one, which severed Rosemary LaBianca's spine, would have been in and of itself fatal.) "Q: "Did you stab her after she appeared to be dead, Les?" A: "I don't know if it was before or after she was dead, but I stabbed her... I don't know if she was dead. She was lying there on the floor." Q: "Had you stabbed her at all before you saw her lying on the floor?" A: "I don't remember." Q:"Let me go one by one. Do you feel sorrowful about it; sorry; unhappy?" A:"Sorry is only a 5 letter word. It can't bring back anything." Q:"Do you wish that it hadn't happened?" A"I never wish anything to be done over another way. That is a foolish thought. It never will happen that way. You can't undo something that is done." ~From Helter Skelter, Leslie's Testamony in court. The 3 females were not 12 or 13 year old children, they were young women, not children. They were quite old enough to know what they were doing, and old enough to see the whole picture and make a choice. They are not, and never were said to be mentally handicapped, as in retardation. They were intellegent, grown Women, not little girls, although they did play the act well. From what I have seen of her hearings, she is still not exactly remorseful. What expression of remorse does come seems to be based in a pity for herself, and her situation that was caused by her actions. Kind of like being more sorry that she got caught than being sorry for the murders. Yes, she was the one that was least attached to Manson, the most independent from Manson. She, more than the others, acted out of her own self. The only one of the women who doctors saw anything even close to remorse from, was, believe it or not, Sadie. Krenwinkle was the only one to say that she ever feared Charlie or the other family members, but that was not because they did the murder, or why they did the murders, but later, afterwards, she thought she might be 'off-ed' so that she couldn't testify. And, I think this was because she did tesify against Bobby. There were others on the Ranch that did not follow the orders to murder, even though they were involved in all the same activities the ones that did murder were, the drugs, sex and manipulations of Manson. This only proves the point that it was something inside the murders that acted out. It was not only following orders, it was an internal desire that was in each of them. Van Houton herself said of LSD and Manson's influence: "This is all such a big lie. I was influenced by the war in Vietnam and TV." "According to Hochman (Dr. Hochman)in talking to him Leslie professed "a kind of primitive Christianity, love, for the world, acceptance of all things. And I asked her, "Well, professing that, how can it be you would murder someone." She said, "Well that was something inside me too'." "Hochman was articulating one of the main points of my final summation; namely, that Leslie, Sadie, Katieand Tex had a hostility and rage within them that pre-existed Charles Manson. They were different from Linda Kasabian, Paul Watkins, Brooks Poston, Juan Flynn and T.J. When Manson asked them to kill for him, each said no." ~Helter Skelter. To say that because other killers have been released in less time is a reason to release her has problems. First off, there is a brutality and viciousness that here that is not often seen. The lack of actual motive (robbery, for example) shows there may be a greater risk for reoffending. More than "well, other people get out" has to be used when considering parole. There's more, but I'll get back to it. Oh, *side notes* Squeaky has a release date in 2005, either June or July. She may also be involved in a 'relationship' with a female serial killer that is in prison with her. Squeaky and Sandra are both still followers of Manson. ~Lisa | ||
| Lisa |
Oh and... Posted on Sun, Jun. 01, 2003 Ex-Manson Follower Sues Calif. Governor Associated Press RIVERSIDE, Calif. - Former Charles Manson disciple and convicted murderer Susan Atkins is suing Gov. Gray Davis, contending his policy opposing parole for nearly all murderers has made her a political prisoner. Parole board members and prison officials also are named in the federal civil rights lawsuit, which accuses them of ignoring the Constitution and parole rules to keep Atkins behind bars. "Over the course of her incarceration, Ms. Atkins has been transformed into a political prisoner," said the suit, filed by attorney Eric P. Lampel of Irvine. He said psychiatrists call her a model prisoner who is not a threat to society. Atkins, 55, who confessed at the sensational 1970-71 Manson trial that she fatally stabbed pregnant actress Sharon Tate, has since recanted that confession, saying she was present but did not kill Tate. She was convicted along with Manson, Charles "Tex" Watson, Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkle, and all were sentenced to death for their roles in a series of murders in the summer of 1969. The sentences were later commuted to life when the Supreme Court struck down the death penalty in the 1970s. All five are still behind bars. Atkins was denied parole for the 10th time in 2000, and relatives of those killed have adamantly opposed her release. Since Davis took office in 1999, the governor has freed only two murderers, both women who were found to have suffered from battered women's syndrome when they committed the crimes. He has vetoed more than 150 other releases recommended by parole boards. A 1988 voter-approved constitutional amendment gives California's governor carte blanche to overturn parole board-approved releases. Last month, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to consider restricting Davis's powers to block the parole of convicted murderers. The case was appealed by Robert Rosenkrantz, who was convicted of killing a teenage friend in 1985 after the friend revealed Rosenkrantz' homosexuality. Rosenkrantz sued Davis after the governor blocked his parole board-approved release. Atkins' lawsuit, filed in April, seeks to advance her next parole hearing, now scheduled for 2004, to this year and asks for $1 million in punitive damages. Lampel has said all damages would be donated to crime victims. The California attorney general's office last week filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, contending it is premature because Atkins has not exhausted other remedies. U.S. District Judge Robert Timlin set a June 30 hearing. AP News. *I believe it was dismissed.* ~Lisa | ||
| Lisa |
(07-10) 17:53 PDT RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) -- A federal judge dismissed portions of a lawsuit that claimed former Manson family member Susan Atkins is a political prisoner because of the governor's policy opposing parole for most murderers. U.S. District Judge Robert J. Timlin ruled Wednesday that Atkins cannot sue the state, its Department of Corrections, the Board of Prison Terms and three board commissioners. The judge said the commissioners are immune from prosecution for their official actions, and the U.S. Constitution bars her from taking action against the state and its agencies unless they consent to be sued. Atkins' attorney, Eric Lampel, said he believes the case remains in place against Gov. Gray Davis, the California Institute for Women at Chino, Warden John Dovey and Atkins' prison psychologist, Robert McDaniel. However, Deputy Attorney General Barbara C. Spiegel told The Press-Enterprise of Riverside that she considers the case essentially ended. The governor was not dismissed from the suit only because it is doubtful that he was properly served with the legal action, she said. The attorney general's office did not immediately return a call seeking comment Thursday. Atkins, 55, is serving a life sentence along with Charles Manson and three others for their roles in a series of 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders. Atkins confessed at trial that she stabbed to death pregnant actress Sharon Tate but has recanted, saying she was only present at the killing. She was denied parole for the 10th time in 2000, and relatives of those killed have adamantly opposed her release. Her next parole hearing is scheduled for 2004. In the April lawsuit, Atkins sought $1 million in damages -- which her attorney had said would be donated to crime victims -- and wanted the court to advance her scheduled 2004 parole hearing to this year. The suit contends that Atkins is a changed woman who is not a threat to society and "has been transformed into a political prisoner" by Davis' controversial policy opposing parole for convicted murderers. Since he took office, Davis has free only four and vetoed about 150 other releases recommended by parole panels. | ||
| Lermanet.com |
All references are from _Helter_Skelter_, by Vincent Bugliosi with Curt Gentry, copyright 1974,W.W. Norton & Company Limited, New York (hardcover edition). Single quotation marks denote quotations within the book. All errors are mine unless otherwise noted with a [sic]. Upon being arrested in 1961, "Manson gave as his claimed religion `Scientologist,' stating that he `has never settled upon a religious formula for his beliefs and is presently seeking an answer to his question in the new mental health cult known as Scientology Scientology.' "Scientology , an outgrowth of science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics, was just coming into vogue at this time. Manson's teacher, i.e. `auditor', was another convice, Lanier Rayner. Manson would later claim that while in prison he achieved Scientology's highest level, `beta- clear'. "Although Manson remained interested in Scientology much longer than he did in any other subject except music, it appears that...he stuck with it only as long as his enthusiasm lasted, then dropped it, extracting and retaining a number of phrases (`auditioning' [sic], 'cease to exist', 'coming to Now') and some concepts (karma, reincarnation, etc.) which, perhaps fittingly, Scientology had borrowed in the first place." (pp. 144-145) More here: http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm Posted by Arnaldo Lerma Ex-Financial Manager for what is now Scientology's Bridge Publications... http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html | ||
| Taskmaster |
I'll be 'ol charlie was a hoot to do TR's with. | ||
| Fluffygirl |
I'm familiar with the Charles Manson/Scn connection. I had a friend who used to date a guy who'd been in prison. He said that he'd done some CCHs (a type of intro level auditing) with Charles Manson and, I'm guessing, a few other things. I have also heard that later, when he was out of prison, Manson went into an Org and determined they could not teach him anything. Such is the scope of the Manson/Scn connection. | ||
| Lermanet.com |
once again, fluffy follows me around, "making less of" and blunting any attack on scientology, the cult of Money and greed... "such is the scope of the Manson/Scn connection" And now his clones come onto the net, having been asked in turn to fool others, using the same techniques that Hubbard used to fool them! The AMAZING thing is that they cannot see this, and that it isnt instantly obvious... However, pontification from outside a locked black box is easy, compared to trying to figure out what the hell is going on when all one sees is what one has been told in policy and 'standard tech' , eerily glowing, in the blackness inside Hubbard's black prison box for well meaning minds, called Scientology. That's the Truman show... Arnaldo Lerma More here: http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm Posted by Arnaldo Lerma Ex-Financial Manager for what is now Scientology's Bridge Publications... http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html | ||
| Take a deep breath |
Arnie, Scientology really sucks in many ways, and your efforts against the church is the stuff of legend. But your inablity to look upon the situation with any objectivity anymore, makes you look like a whacko. Which can sometimes blunt your effectiveness in fighting the church. | ||
| Fluffygirl |
I'm not following anyone around. I'm posting to a public forum. I'm posting actual knowledge I have of something that occurred in this particular case, and on other topics, it's often just a matter of my opinion. Either way,the purpose is to contribute to a discussion and only that. When I left CofS, Arnie was, temporarily, quite courteous to me. Sending me friendly emails, etc. Then, when I had some flame wars with another critic named Tory, he started slandering me on his 'site and elsewhere. Tory and I have made up our differences and moved forward, though. So all's well. | ||
| fluffygirl |
I also want to add that the subject of Manson and Scn is one on which I've posted before on other forums and this is just one other. | ||
| Take a deep breath |
Yea, for some reason Arnie just can't move on with his life. Maybe Scientology does suck and someone needs to keep reminding people, but I would hope that Arnie would find some positive direction in his life. Use the experience to propel himself to new spiritual heights. At least most Scientologists or freezoners are working to better themselves. | ||
| olska |
I have also heard that later, when he was out of prison, Manson went into an Org and determined they could not teach him anything. When did Manson get out of prison? AFAK he's still in and will be until he dies. | ||
| Sylvies Other Friend |
olska, Manson had been in and out of prison since his teens. After finding out about scientology while "in", he was out for several years before "Helter Skelter", which sent him back in for life. | ||
| olska |
Thank you SOF for clarifying that for me. | ||
| Anonymous |
I think Leslie Van Houten should be set free. She's a 52 year old woman. not a 19 year old drug crazed kid . She's turned her life around and doing good things for other people.I think she deserves a chance to prove herself . I for one would'nt be scared to be in the same house as her | ||
| Fluffygirl |
Agreed. I saw her and Krenwinkel interviewed and they obviously aren't at all the same people as they were then and deeply regret what they did. | ||
| Anonymous |
I for one believe that if you " slain " someone you shall be punished by law or if not by human error of thoughts that are haunting; looking through the mirror day after day. Charles Manson, a mare con-artist enjoyed playing head games. Not only at fault, but his home life to blame as well. Hitler and Manson both enjoy the company of a " good screwing " with minds. In terms, what is done is done and hopefully we won't be so stupid to let something like that happen again. | ||
| Anonymous |
To Ms. Leslie L. Van Houten Happy 53rd. Birthday Saturday Aug.23rd. from someone who cares about YOU! | ||
| Fluffygirl |
Well, Anon #1 (ah me, so many Anons, so little time)-- Van Houten and Krenwinkel did get penalized for it, did go to prison. For many years. In fact, they've spent as much time in prison for the murders they committed as many convicted murderers have. More than some, perhaps. So the issue would be, ok, after all that time, if they're eligible for parole, do they deserve it? The thing is, the notoriety and infamy of their crimes has played more of a part in this than anything else. But there are, sad to say, many murders others have committed that were just as scary, violent and premeditated as this but not as much public notoriety and additional strictures incurred. So in addition to rightly being incarcerated for the horrible thing she did, she's also being penalized for being controversial, IMHO. The thing would be, does she seem like she's rehabilitated NOW- not what did she do back then? I mean, the former is the principle used to determine if someone up for parole should get it, right? So it's either the criterion or it's not. Otherwise, they need to change the law and say if the murder was very controversial and books were written about it that the eligibility for parole would be much more limited... | ||
| Plenipotentiary Penitentiary |
If sharon tate wasn't killed would have Roman Polansky have gotten into his trouble? Shouldn't he be let back in the USA before they start releasing murderers? | ||
| jarboy98 |
I'm with Fluffygirl (there's a pleasant exception) and one of the Anonymouseseseseses on this one. Leslie has done long time and obviously turned her life around and obviously she is a different woman, now. Also, she was the victim of a cult, the cult of Charlie and the Family, and while there are appropriate harsh penalties for murder this seems to be a woman deserving of consideration. And, like Fluff says, many other murderers are paroled after doing good time and changing their lives. peace...jb | ||
| Fluffygirl |
Plen, Roman Polanski got in trouble for sleeping with an underage girl. In no way does his exile and legal problems hinge upon the parole of his wife's murderers. They either are rehabilatated and have done enough time or they have not. They either must be penalized further for WHAT THEY DID (and not just the CONTROVERSY of what they did) or they must not. Roman Polanski's residence has not one thing to do with it. | ||
| Plenipotentiary penitentiary |
No no, I mean did he engage in this underage girl thing AFTER his wife was murdered? The emotional stress of a wife's murder could be used in his defense. | ||
| Fluffygirl |
But it was decades later. It is a separate issue. | ||
| Plenipotentiary Penitentiary |
No it's not, really. What wrong with poking a willing young girl? Besides, you must know from your work in Scientology that deep emotional issues can hang around for years and years. | ||
| fluffygirl |
Well, I wasn't going to get into the statutory rape/jailbait thing. Yes, issues can hang around for years and years but that doesn't mean that this gets the person out of being responsible for his or her actions. I mean, I had some crappy experiences in my life (outweighed by the good ones, to be sure, but nonetheless really there) but if I used them as an excuse to do things that weren't right, that wouldn't be cricket. I still know right from wrong. I really never cared about the girl thing. I don't know how old she was, I don't know how experienced she was or if she had the capacity to make an informed decision. I know I myself was a 15 year old dumbass and my Mom and Dad had to stop the attentions of a 22 year old guy- and I almost DID get myself poked by him. Did I understand what was going on? Well, sort of. But not like I would at 18 or 25 or whatever. Did I understand the consequences? I don't think I did. Does that mean every young girl wouldn't. No. They're all different. So I cannot render a judgment on Polanski's liason. And I apologize for making it seem like I was doing so. My thing was more that Van Houten (or Krenwinkel's)'s release wouldn't hinge on that, to my way of thinking. Whether he should be allowed to come back or not (and I will say that a lot of people who point fingers the most- governmentally, peers, whatnot- are themselves doing the same exact thing!) wouldn't really have anything to do with someone getting out of prison for murdering his wife in 1969. I also read back on this topic a bit and I want to say that it doesn't matter if Tate was a party girl and was doing really naughty things. Murder is still murder. And she had a fetus who actually would have been viable if someone could have gotten her to a hospital in time or something. I'm pro choice, but I'll tell you what, this is one of the times I view this as two murders. That baby was something like 8 months or so, wasn't he? Susan Atkins even said she, at that time, thought about taking the baby. In a way, that would have been horrible, except that when the compound was raided, the child would have been recovered... It was murder. But I think that Van Houten and Krenwinkel aren't the same people they were then. people change and like I said before, quite a few murders are paroled after this length of time and sometimes earlier. The criterion is, I think, penitence and rehabilitation. I mean, these women are so different now. I've read Helter Skelter, I saw that documentary- can't remember the name of it- I read another book called "The Family" by,I think, Ed Sanders. I saw these two women interviewed. They seemed vastly different, very penitent, etc. People do change. Not always but it does happen. | ||
| Tracie |
You people that support Manson and his Family are Sick. Obviously you have done no research on the case and are imbiciles. I don't understand why you think Manson is some kind of celebrity. Sharon Tate was a kind hearted person that was looking forward to having her child. These people came into her home and savagly murdered her & her friends for no REASON. How frightened they must have been, begging for their lives! You people have NO mercy! I hope one day you people walk in THEIR shoes.I don't understand the court system keeping these people alive. I hope they rot in Hell. | ||
| Anonymous |
Thank you for your thoughtful contribution. | ||
| Anonymous |
To Tracie: I think 33 years of research quailifies my beliefs; I DON'T SUPPORT CHARLES MANSON in any way. I think he's one SICK twisted S.O.B.that ROTTING in HELL is to good for him. He took those kids in brainwashed them, Give them LSD (and of course Charlie would take less so he could be under control) and pound in their heads with its all right to kill . And then threaten these kids with the KiLL or Be KILLED routeine. Or basically if you don't Kill for me I'll Kill YOU! He tried to convince these kids that he was some kind of MYSTICAL GURU that had all kinds of evil powers. All he did was PLAY Jailhouse games with these kids and F*C*K with their heads until they believed it. Now for Charles Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkle, and Leslie Van Houten they get Deprogrammed mentally, and being isolated away from Manson they are_N_O_T_ the programmed Killer robots they once were, They are Human they think about the murders they Have Gnawing feelings about it .THEY Live the same NIGHTMARES about those two Nights in August of 1969. It's like cominmg down from a Really Bad Acid Trip only the nightmares are for Real.Yes they think about it all the time But they know they CAN'T go back in time and change it and MAKE it RIGHT . As for Sharon Tate ( May you and all the victims Rest In Peace) you had some questioable company staying with you ( Shame on you Mr. Frykowski for burning the family on a drug deal) When he looked up and saw Tex standing over him he asked "What are you doing here?" I Feel Sorry for the Victims and their Families, .... But I Feel Sorry for the people who Killed them too.Afterall they were scared S*I*Less of what Charles Manson would do to them. Let me ask one question of you TRACIE were you around when these murders were going down in 1969? and can YOU remember seeing the Newscasts on television? and did you follow the "Hows and WHYs on Charles Manson ? | ||
| Anonymous |
It's good that they're deprogrammed and are human beings once again. They must now face personal responsibility. Conspiracy to murder is the same as murder under the law, and I feel this is right. Otherwise you could not convict those who murder-by-proxy, such as through hit men or cult devotees. It's good that they've come to a realization about what they were involved in. That doesn't excuse the past association. They should all spend the rest of their lives in jail. It's what's right. | ||
| Anonymous |
I think whats right is to release Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie VanHouten, The system has been playing games with these people for too long.If your good and follow are rules We'll give parole a chance. Why not give them a chance?. If they screw that up back in the slammer for good.They did everything the system wanted them to do. and pose no threat to society and are very remorseful for their actions. Hey SYSTEM How about keeping your end of the bargin! | ||
| Anonymous |
It's good they are now peaceful human beings who are remorseful. Now they will be fully capable of reflecting on the nature of personal responsibility. Remorse does not equal absolution. Keep them locked up, forever. | ||
| Anonymous |
Oh ya I forgot only GOD FORGIVES | ||
| Anonymous |
God forgives, and victims forgive. In who else's domain is forgiveness? Surely not a third party's. If the victims weren't dead, they could forgive. So, which role are you playing at? God's, or the victim's? What right do you have to either? Keep them locked up, forever. | ||
| Anonymous |
I was raised in a scrict "christian" environment I was brought up to "forgive", give people the benefit of the doubt, give a person a second chance,ect. At least i'd admit I'm no better than anyone else.But I retained all the goodwill and love towards fellow man. In this Great land of ours we have amendments that provide the freedom of speech of opinions made by both of us.So don't be a " judicator of one's fate " peace | ||
| Anonymous |
Yes, victims are encouraged to forgive. The victims in this case are unable to consent to that forgiveness. Others seem to think they can offer it in the victims' (or God's, if that's what you believe) stead. I don't see why. The chance at a second chance died with the victims. It was their prerogative to forgive others for crimes committed against them. We cannot forgive on behalf of the victims. It is right that the perpetrators remain locked up. Jail is neutral territory for their conspiratorial crime. On one hand, the victim's wishes might have been total retribution - execution or supermax lockdown for the lot of them. On the other hand, they might have been raised to forgive, as you say, and might support a reprieve for the repentant. Since the nature of the crime left them dead, we can't know. And I don't think it's right to make the decision for them, one way or another. So leave them in jail, locked up, forever. It isn't the worst possible punishment, and it isn't the best possible outcome, but it is what they deserve for their conspiratorial crime in absence of victim's sanction. | ||
| Anonymous |
The Charles Manson murders in the 1960's had a profound effect on my life. I am now 42 years old and read the books which were published at the time. I have not followed the story over the years, I have better things to do. Having been a teenager, having done drugs, having been around a personality that can be forceful and intimidating, it is my opinion that although possibly authentically remorseful anyone who participates in what those people did should never have the priveledge of living out of confinement. In my opinion, there is something wrong with the moral structure of an individual who will choose to participate in such activities. These people chose to participate in torturing and killing other human beings. People who can, for whatever reason, justify that behavior threaten the safety of our communities. Once they have chosen that behavior they have chosen to brand themselves. Drugs, mind control, GARBAGE! Quit making excuses! These people made a personal choice to be vulnerable to Charles Manson's intimidation! They need to accept responsibility. How can they ever become personally empowered if they can not accept responsibility for their choices? The consequence for the participation has been laid out. Life isn't fair, some people get away with murder others don't. Deal with it. You Gen Xer's with the bad attitude, Damn, someone should have placed some boundaries and limitations on you when you were a child. I know your kind. You are lazy. You play the victim, "it's everyone else fault, poor poor me" You have no personal strength. You make me nauseous. You, child, have similar traits to those who commited these horrific crimes. Learn to be personally accountable, you may find you have some control in your existence. | ||
| Anonymous |
Which one was your comments directed to ? | ||
| Anonymous |
A completely changed person Lesley is now. She should absolutely be freed. Wayyyy too many criminals and murderers are out free today while she is still stuck in prison. She`s already paid her dues. Many years. (and decades). A lot of them haven`t even begun any prison time yet and may never. Just doesn`t seem fair. | ||
| Anonymous |
Lesley should be granted her freedom long before now!! She`s certainly paid her dues for her part. She wasn`t even the one that did any of the murdering. People that have done much more than her have beeen released...its only because this is such a famous case that she hasn`t been released yet. The system needs to get its act together. They claim one thing and do another. Even the judge says that she has done everything the court requires for parole. So parole her. | ||
| Anonymous |
Did anyone here ever read the coroners report on Rosemary LaBianca? She was NOT dead when Leslie stabbed her. One of the wounds Leslie inflicted was a fatal one. Poor misunderstood Leslie.. Let her rot. If she was so easily brainwashed than that's her problem. She's obviously easily led. She was scared that if she didn't get her hands dirty then she'd be killed too? Then explain why she went along so happily. Why was she angry that she wasn't invited to go to the Tate house? Scared people run, they don't go along for the ride. Leslie is sorry now, of course she is. She wants her freedom. Was she sorry when she spent over a year in a courtroom giggling and laughing? Was she sorry when she was being led off to prison and was grinning and winking at the cameras? She should be sorry. She's got a lot to be sorry for! I have no sympathy for Leslie. She created her own bed and now she has to lie in it. Sometimes the decisions we make haunt us for the rest of our lives. Will Rosemary suddenly rise up out of her grave when Leslie gets paroled? Will Leslie's freedom right all the wrongs? Will it give loved ones back to families? If Leslie was so concerned about her freedom, maybe she should have thought about what she was doing. Leslie deserves her freedom when the victim's can again draw breath. | ||
| Anonymous |
I agree that Leslie should stay in prison. She could have stopped the LaBiancas from being murdered, but instead she couldn't wait to go along and help with the murders. Let her out when she is dead, like her victims! | ||
| DILLIGAF |
WORD IS,HE IS THE BITCH IN THE HOUSE! LET THE TRASH SIT HIS TIME, IF HE CAN...OR SET THE MOTHERFUCKER FREE, HE WILL DISCOVER SOME REAL PAIN! | ||
| young one |
This thread is a very sad one. I find myself sympathising and understanding all sides. Individuals should be help to account for their actions but people can be so pliable in the wrong company. Society has to bear some of the blame as well. What sort of society, aware of the horrendous crimes that have occurred when mind control is used, sits back and fails to educate its citizens. A pathetic one. It is high time that our educational system introduced a new compulsory subject for all students. People are educated about drugs, about Aids and about career choices. Why not introduce a psychology course to colleges so that our youth are aware of the fragility of the mind and can avoid being influenced by individuals like Manson? Is it because it would reduce the effect of advertising which butters the bread of financial empires? | ||
| Fluffygirl |
Well, Leslie did murder. But that was many years ago. There have been many murderers who've gotten out in far less time, on parole and such. She seems genuinely sorry, she's served decades, it's not like murderers are always executed or incarcerated for life, so I would say, let her out. Otherwise, just execute anyone who's committed murder. Back when she was first convicted and did not seem repentent, from what I've read, I think I'd have actually wanted to see her get the death penalty then. She wasn't sorry, came off like one vicious little girl. But time has passed, she was not executed and she very much appears to have been rehabilitated. Contrast that with the government official's son (I think the father is in upper management of the prison system) in the State of Washington who got probation for raping a two year old. That means he most likely had a bench trial from one of his Dad's political contacts, was found guilty, but hey, she'll get over it, do two years probation and we're square. Sometimes the justice system truly is lopsided. | ||
| Anonymous |
Lesley was NOT the one who murdered this woman! Where the heck did you get that FALSE info????? It was said that it COULD have been possible that one of her wounds which was caused by Lesley May have been a fatal one, but the report NEVER said it was actually the one that killed her. Any one of the stabs could have been fatal, and by the time Lesley stabbed her she was already beyond being saved, and was already past deaths door. | ||
| Anonymous |
I believe the reason Leslie is still behind bars is not so much for her participation in the murders as is because of her association with Manson. The parole board must see something in Leslie that makes them want to keep her locked up. They have access to a lot more information than we do. Whether or not Rosemary was dead or alive when Leslie stabbed her is irrelevant. She was sentenced to death for her role in the course of events. I have read where Rosemary was still alive and I've read where she was already dead. If Rosemary was indeed dead, it still doesn't make what Leslie did alright. Whether or not Leslie deserves her freedom is only a matter of opinion. Chances are, she's never going to be released. | ||
| Michael Warren |
I was just curious I have heard 2 things and I don't know if this is true or not. 1. Is it true that Rosemary Labianca was a lesbian? Some website had that on there 2. Is it true that Susan Atkins is suing the state of California for her release? My opinon about #1 is regardless of what Mrs. Labianca was or not she didn't deserve to be stabbed 41 times, none of the victims deserved what happened to them. on the #2 question GOD help our country if Susan Atkins does win a lawsuit like that. I am like Anonymous and others here, these people are cold blooded killers and have to be treated as such. They should have been executed a LONG time ago, but since the the death penalty was struck down for a while they get life. What a crock?!? | ||
| Rachel Flair |
hey everyone.this is my very first time posting here.after you read my post you may think i might not know a lot or anything about charlie manson and the manson family but i do.and you all might think i am absolutely crazy to think this but, I totally support Charles Manson and The Manson Family.Charlie should be let out and so should all of the girls!!!I love Charlie Manson and The Manson girls.If I had lived back then, I would have wanted to be part of the Manson family.I do not care what anybody else thinks of me.But I am just sharing with you and everyone else how I feel.I have often thought about starting a cult in which those who are part of the cult, support Charlie Manson and what he did.If any of you who read this want to email me or instant message me, feel free to!Also if you have anything negative to say to me, please tell me! Love, Manson's little girl | ||
| Rachel Flair |
hey everyone.this is my very first time posting here.after you read my post you may think i might not know a lot or anything about charlie manson and the manson family but i do.and you all might think i am absolutely crazy to think this but, I totally support Charles Manson and The Manson Family.Charlie should be let out and so should all of the girls!!!I love Charlie Manson and The Manson girls.If I had lived back then, I would have wanted to be part of the Manson family.I do not care what anybody else thinks of me.But I am just sharing with you and everyone else how I feel.I have often thought about starting a cult in which those who are part of the cult, support Charlie Manson and what he did.If any of you who read this want to email me or instant message me, feel free to!Also if you have anything negative to say to me, please tell me! Love, Manson's little girl Contact Info::: AIM: Skidrowbackali Hotmail/MSN: grishkogirl@hotmail.com Yahoo:aslkiy | ||
| Anonymous |
Hi,Rachel-- I understand somewhat what you mean basically, but certainly would never be involved in murdering anyone. Remember, its supposed to be: Make LOVE, baby...NOT war! Peace... a friend. | ||
| Anonymous |
Rachel You're an idiot. | ||
| anonymous |
I never saw this information from the trial or from anything else I ever read on it, but what sort of Buck knives were used? There was a lockblade knife found in the Tate home, but I never read any more about it, did it belong to one of the victims or was it dropped by the murderers. I know the knives were never found, but the must have been some discription of them. | ||
| Sadie Mae |
Susan Atkins knife was found in one of the chair cushions. She thought one of the dogs ran off with it. I don't believe it was a folding buck knife, I think it was one could carry in a shieve. | ||
| Mimi |
Read the Family by Ed Sanders. it will clear the knife thing up. And all of The Family Murderers, including Leslie ,should rot where they are. Just as their victims have. | ||
| Anonymous |
IF Leslie Vanhouten is paroled, would you want her living next door to you as your neighbor? Well, that could happen. How about this one,.....would you want Leslie, as your neighbor, giving your children something to eat, or drink unbeknown to you during a days outdoor play time? Would you personally eat or drink anything prepared by Leslie, as your neighbor? What if she got a job working in at the cash register in the pharmacy, would you want her to hand you your medications? If you answered NO, to any of the questions above, then it is clear, that Leslie Vanhouten should NOT be paroled. She can not be trusted, and she is not an emotionally stable person. If she was brainwashed once, don't you think that she could be brainwashed again doing something else just as terrible? Don't forget that she prefered the use of drugs and was caught using drugs in prision somewhere in the seventies. Provided she could obtain some of those drugs again, don't you think she might use them as an escape, or just recreationally to get high??? You decide. I know for me, I would not want her as my neighbor, or someone who would prepare any of my food, drinks or anything else. | ||
| Anonymous |
READ: > One word. The word is: REHABILITATED. There IS such a thing, you know!!! However I don`t have this opinion about Susan Atkins or Tex. | ||
| rootedkarma |
Is there anyone here who can tell me how the charles manson murders have affected american culture and society? | ||
| Anonymous |
Should Leslie be free or not? Don't know. She seems remorseful, but consider this: If she is freed, she won't live a normal life anyway. The publicity may get outta hand. There may be people who feel she shouldn't have been paroled may harass her or threaten her life, you know...death threats, phone calls, vandalism...things like that. It wouldn't be a bad thing if she has turned her life around and is paroled, but she would never have the chance to live a normal life anyway, that ended when she got involved with that cocksmoking pyschopath Charles Manson. There's good and bad outcomes from both situations: Her being paroled and her living the rest of her life in prison, so which is better? | ||
| Anonymous (209.86.128.50) |
Are you trying to push that book by Ed Sanders? Why not just a simple answer, what kind of knives did they say they used at the trial? | ||
| Anonymous (207.69.93.83) |
What kind of KNIVES were used to murder Sharon Tate? | ||
| Anonymous (216.8.89.41) |
Manson and his followers maintain the website www.atwa.info It provides a pretty good view of what they are all about.. Looks like they are trying to morph their groups goals from killing to environmentalism. | ||
| Anonymous (209.86.136.49) |
Somebody ought to know the type of buck knives used in the Tate killings. | ||
| Classic Edition (205.188.116.211) |
Punishment in our society is fully accepted as accountability for our wrongs. However, we have many people committing crimes, serving their time, and being released only to reoffend. Teens make terrible mistakes in finding their way, and I believe Ms. Van Houten deserves a chance at release and a life outside of incarceration. She has served her time, has expressed remorse and should not be treated any differently than any other convict (ex-con). God will judge...our role as a society is done. | ||
| Anonymous (64.63.220.244) |
you wouldn't want to free leslie if you had been in mrs labianca's shoes. | ||
| Anonymous (152.163.252.129) |
hey you bunch of fools the manson family murders were the most horrible murders that ever happened they should all rot in hell or better still they should fry in the electric chair but even that isnt good enough i would like to see each and every one of them get murdered the same way they murdered and tex has children god forbid yuk what about sharon tate i want them all dead thats what they all should be DEAD THEY ALL ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS LESLEY RELEASED FUCK HER THAT MURDERING PIG AND YOUR AN IDIOT SO IS EVERYONE ELSE THAT THINKS SHES INNOCENT REAL IDIOT MR ANONYMOUS | ||
| Anonymous (152.163.252.129) |
DEATH THATS WHAT THEY ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN PUT THEM ALL IN A ROOM AND LET A PREGNANT WOMAN MURDER TEX AND OTHER INOCENT PEOPLE TAKE TURNS GIVING THEM ALL THE SAME TREATMENT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STABBING AND SHOOTING ALL OF THEM IDE LOVE THAT OH I HOPE THAT THOSE SCUMBAGS GOT BEAT IN PRISON THATS THE LEAST WE COULD DO FOR THE VICTIMS KILL A PREGNANT WOMAN OH MY GOD THEY ALL BETTER DIE AND SOON ITS ABOUT TIME DIE MANSON SCUM DIE | ||
| Anonymous (64.12.116.66) |
leslie van houten stabbed an innocent woman shes got murder in her mind shes capable of doing it again once a killer always a killer i wouldnt want her for a neighbor no way she sucks big time drugs blame drugs yea ok shes a murdering pig that deserves what she gets she was there she knew there was gonna be a murder shes guilty as sin she deserves to die and i hope she does all you idiots that think she should get out must have no brains or maybe your all on drugs yourselfs ahahaha lol lol shes got murder in her blood i cant believe you ignorant people free leslie yuk what if she butchered your mother or sister then how would you feel ASSHOLE THEY ALL DESERVE TO DIE BOTTOM LINE | ||
| Anonymous (64.12.116.66) |
FREE LESLIE VAN HOUTEN AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MURDERING PIG SHE SHOULD DIE THEY ALL SHOULD HAVE DIED FOR WHAT THEY DID I WOULDNT WANT HER FOR A NEIGHBOR MURDER A PREGNANT WOMAN GOD FORBID IF SHE WERE THERE SHE WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING THEY WILL ALL ROT IN HELL NEVER FREE THEM EVER NEVER ITS JUST A SHAME THEY DIDNT GET THE CHAIR TO BAD THAT SUCKS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM ALL GET STABBED AND SHOT PUT THEM ALL IN A ROOM AN attack ahahahahahahahahahahahah oh that would make my day lol lol lol | ||
| Anonymous (152.163.252.129) |
so what if sharon tate was with jay the night she was butchered roman had other women he was her friend they remained friends roman knew that and besides what do you think she was doing fucking jay eight and a half months pregnant you assholes she was no pig you believe what you read all that crap about her she was innocent she was PREGNANT what kind of animal could do that they should all die i hope soon very soon murdering scum if anyone of them ever get out i hope that person stabbs them to death then throw gasoline on them oh and shoot them a few times to ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha to bad there all alive while sharon and the other victims are in there graves god forbid kill them all thats what they all should be dead to bad the victims didnt have attack dobermans or guns to bad cause they would all be dead what a shame and we gotta pay to keep them alive its our money i say kill them all and save us some money over here you fuckin people are stupid let leslie go free stab her all murderers should get death dont waste our money kill em fast be done with them a murderer should die i can only imagine the horror they all went through it makes me sick a pregnant woman oh my god why why why let them die die die for the familys of the victims my heart goes out to you all no one should have to go through that pain of losing a loved one to murder thats got to be the worse pain i can ever imagine and oj simpson hes guilty as sin its just that all you black folk thought it was a race trial ahahahahahahah he played the race card a five year old knows that black people get away with murder cause there black if they convicted oj they would have destroyed LA we all know that so thats why hes free and its funny all blacks think hes innocent while all white people think hes guilty nITS BECAUSE HE IS GUILTY anyone that hires ten attorneys has to be guilty and cock face knew just how to play the jury he turned the whole trial around someone called him nigger so hes innocent give me a break oh he called you nigger oh in that case we gotta free you hell rot in hell i hope | ||
| Anonymous (209.240.205.61) |
you sound like a real nut case. What a moron... | ||
| Anonymous (68.36.245.63) |
This is my first post. But I have a question whatever happened to the other 50 people living at the Ranch. I was just wondering if any of them ever wrote a book or if they just hide in silence? Wouldn't you want to know if these people who followed him tought your kids or drove car pool for your kids? I feel for the families of all the victims and in no way support ever releasing Manson from jail, every interview with him indicates that he is still a threat to society. I have no idea if the girls and Tex can or have been rehabilitated but I have to believe for the families of the victims that keeping them in jail is the only fair thing. They got thier death penalty taken away, so keep them there its only fair to the victims and thier families. Heres my other question do you think that if released from prison that Charles Manson and his family would start killing again? I believe he would. I also believe that some of his followers are just waiting in silence till he either is released or even worse dies and they make him a martyr...... | ||
| lesleyann manson (194.159.181.243) |
i am a manson and i ant a murdera im 16 and i think im quite a nice girl to be friends with charlie is my grate uncle.hes ma dads uncle. hi im julie im lesleyanns friend and she has never killed me before. i think they no that julie because u have just writen on hear.lol bless ya. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Paul Watkins did or contributed to a documentary years ago.He's given many interviews. | ||
| beavis (205.188.117.20) |
i myself think that Charlie has done his time and should be granted Parole. who else has a life sentence besides manson and his other followers and has done 33 yrs flat that in its self is an injustice. our Goverment and courts are so crookred its hard to get a fair trial unless you have alot of money then u can BUY your way out just ask O.J.Simpson.our legal system needs alot of work its self I think Charlie was used as an escape goat on some of what he was charged with and again thats my opinion. | ||
| Anonymous (205.188.117.20) |
they were all involved they should have been executed by hanging and still should but if not they should all stay in prison till they die they were all there they are all guilty. Istill remember when they were all arrested ,it was the biggest news of teh decade even bigger at the time than the viet nam war (which by the way I opposed)I was only 16 years old. | ||
| Anonymous (193.108.192.71) |
Steve Parent, Happy 35th Graduation. It's a shame people forget you during that August 1969 mess. I'm sorry you are not here. | ||
| Anonymous (66.245.131.70) |
Hey Beavis- Why don't you ask Charlie to move in with you? I am sure you wouldn't mind a houseguest since you feel he has paid his debit to society. | ||
| Jennifer Michelle Zeigler (216.201.23.220) |
I think that Charles Manson should be released. Although he shows no remorse for what he has done.. I dont think he should have gotten life for "brain washing" people into killing for him. He, having never committed murder himself, should not be punished for something that cannot be proved. No one can actually prove that he did anything that deserved a life sentence. If I told someone to go kill someone else it's their own fault for listening to me. God, people are dumb asses! | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Actually, according to Vincent Bugliosi, Charlie has been linked to murder- directly. Not just the Tate/Labianca ones. And, also, he's being treated more like a terrorist. Someone who may assist others in levelling terror and destruction but might not push the button or trigger themselves. They're still responsible. Manson is, too. He did commit many crimes, he does show no remorse, so I'm more than happy to see him behind bars forever. I'd be happier if they'd executed him, though. | ||
| Anonymous (209.86.132.96) |
None of the Manson family members convicted should be released, they took lives, and they should pay with their lives. IMHO it's worse to serve life than it is to have a lethal injection. | ||
| psychofreak (64.136.49.227) |
I think that leslie van houten should be paroled she has done her time and then some i dont think she deserved that harsh of a punishment she was young and made a mistake and she has paid for it she is old now and she isnt going 2 hurt anybody i think just because she was involved with manson thats the only reason she recieved such a harsh punishment if she was involved with anybody else she probably wouldnt have even been convicted its only because of the publicity of the case and the victims i think she decerves another chance. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.17.163) |
She's as eligible for release as anyone else who murdered anyone decades ago. She seems far, far more remorseful than a number of ones whom I've seen intereviewed. Same with Krenwinkel. But, thing is, although it's supposed to be about corrections, about rehabilitating people, keeping dangerous people off the streets, letting them back out when they aren't a danger, truth is, there's a vengeful aspect to the correctional system. That's why victims' families' testimonies are given so much weight at parole hearings. That's why, the more controversial the murder, the harder it is to get paroled. So our society doesn't always do what it says it's doing. That's human nature. I don't expect either one of these women to be released during their lifetimes. | ||
| Eatme (69.143.213.247) |
I think people who don't use punctuation should receive lengthy prison terms, Mr. Psychofreak. | ||
| Anonymous (209.240.205.61) |
LOL ! | ||
| another_try (another_try) New member Username: another_try Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.102.240.161 |
Hi. i know this is very off, but i've ben trying to learn about this case, but no one is helping it seems. i have heard about these things that they got tatooed on their foreheads (Swasticas or something) and i don't know what that means. Does anyone know where i can find a picture of this? Thanks. my email address is njpete@cox.net | ||
| voice (voice) New member Username: voice Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 4.232.201.91 |
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