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irishbackpacker (irishbackpacker)
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Posted From: 193.1.172.138
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 6:25 am: | 
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trying to find out where he sources all his supplements and products, any ideas?? |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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Posted From: 213.79.41.36
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scythe:
Although i do not agree with all the points you made in your post i must say it was a delight to read. Your views and feelings placed forward in a balanced and self confident manner... i was quite suprised i read it here in fact! ;)
Apart from all that the same points seem to be being made again and again here. And some other completely unfounded comments.
"becoming withdrawn from family and friends" seems to be a popular one. This is most certainly not something that is encouraged within the organisation or the talks. Perhaps, and maybe i'm going out on a limb here, but perhaps some people find their families so unsupportive of their interests and passion in the educo philososphy (or otherwise) that they would rather stay away then listen to their constant criticism? now THIS is something i've seen before... it is not, however, a prerequisite to come along to the meetings ;) |
felixdontneededuco (felixdontneededuco)
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Posted From: 159.134.112.72
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 5:48 pm: |
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I thought readers of this forum might find the following link interesting. It is about Dr. Zoe, who is a "life being".
http://users.snip.net/~drsteve/Articles/Dr_Zoe.htm
I suppose I should point out that Dr. Zoe is a cat. |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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heh.. now THAT'S comedy ;) |
felixdontneededuco (felixdontneededuco)
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Posted From: 159.134.113.74
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Sad thing is Blacksheep is that it is not funny at all. People are being taken in by credentials like "Dr" Zoe's. You don't have to look far for proof of that do you?
I don't want to visit this board anymore, I have a few points to make. Blacksheep, you seem to be in this cult, you may need approval of your leader, but I doubt people who post here need yours. They seem to have seen the true light.So your comment after each post shows your weakness in this area, but you'll see for yourself one day.
To the people who have written of their experiences, tell your friends to tell their friends, keeping your story quiet only allows these cults to flourish. |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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felixdontneededuco..
i've never flamed before so i'm not going to start now... but even though "what the hell are you talking about?!"
Need approval of my "leader"?!? how DARE you I insinuate that I am not in complete control of my life… just because I have listen to and appreciated some of what the man says I am instantly labelled as a mindless drone?
Do you even know the type of thing that is discussed at said seminars or is your only education on the subject the flames and rants as shared by the above ppl? I obviously can appreciate that certain governing bodies can slap our credentials and that the unsuspecting public need to be warned of this fact. Now in saying this, not only am I quite certain that Quinn can hypnotise and is a qualified hypnotherapist (perhaps even a bit “too” concerned with qualification!) but more importantly, and this is important so read it closely..
“I approve and am concerned more with the original material discussed.. NOT any fancy hypnotic tricks”
Also, “the true light”?! again, how dare you insinuate that I am living under a haze. Do you honestly believe that by tipsying in here and dishing out abuse you can promote healthy discussion, or was that even your intention to begin with?
Basically, your last post sickened me. And I’ll ask again, do you actually know anything about the philosophy behind the flames or are you just labelling the entire idea a “cult” and dishing abuse from this?
...one more thing
"Blacksheep, you seem to be in this cult, you may need approval of your leader, but I doubt people who post here need yours."
are you trying to say that i shouldn't post here because i havn't seaked the approval of the people reading my post?!?! or that my very behing here signifies that i have sought approval or my "leader" and that proves my involvement with said "cult". JUST WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! ... perhaps you'll never be able to reply, what with your not wanting to come to this site again, so instead you post some foundless accusations and leave.. That post, really sickened me!!!
(Message edited by blacksheep on November 27, 2004) |
zack (zack)
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Posted From: 81.178.104.2
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 7:47 pm: |
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Possible pre-requisites before attending Educo? (and appeal for more 'average' attendees!)
Hi to all posters since this thread started - thx for posting from all sides of the spectrum.
I have just spent about an hour reading the posts having redone a google search on Tony Quinn based on whether this is still a course to consider for 2005.
In summary, I think it is still of interest to me and anyone if:
a) you have a reasonably balanced and sorted life already (ie not 'needy' like some who the cults target) and are familiar with a fair amount about psychology, life success etc
b) you have considered and ideally attended a few other courses broadly in the success/personal development arena (eg Anthony Robbins, Landmark Forum or similar) whcih are much much cheaper
c) you are not in any way borrowing money or impairing your finances to go
d) you have done good 'due diligence' by looking at this site, TQs sites and talked to a range of those who have actually attended.
(Apart from reading many success/mindset books I have been on Landmark Forum and Anthony Robbins' UPW and which I think are very worthwhile)
In terms of TQ, I saw an introductory video at an evening with Paul Elliott - a UK success coach who I rate highly - about 9 months ago. It was interesting and marketed the TQ seminar with interviews from past attendees ( a well known technique and not suspicious in its own right I think). I also went on a £200 day 'seminar' done by two seminar attendees in central London, and bought the TQ CD which were valuable but which I haven't really followed up or applied as yet. (btw, I am by my yardstick -ie money and life satisfaction jointly- already successful and getting more so helped by a variety of sources including the courses I have already attended)
I ended up meeting various people over the next few months (not because of this but due to various connections to do with coaching and personal development) who, when writing this I find also appear on the TQ website under the http://www.educomindpower.com/articles.html which I was not aware of. One could say that they ( 5 in total: Paul Elliott, Peter Sage, Dave OConnor, Steve Oxlade, Giti Oxlade) are thus obviously all "on the inside" etc but from my own experience of being acquainted with all of them to varying extents them I would comment they have never 'pushed' me going on Educo, their lives are all balanced and (they say) 'better' since going on Educo - and I have no evidence to the contrary. Most of them were already very successful beforehand.
A few aspects did cause me to think:
- TQ qualifications - his site does not say where he got the qualifications he states (assuming he has them) - but I have changed my mind over time and don't necessarily require people who are offering something of value to have qualifications (tho' claimed ones should of course be genuine)
- marketing and money: yes £1000 of the £12000 you pay goes to the person who introduced you and £1000 to the person who introduced them. I used not to like network marketing but have come to accept it. If the end product/service is genuine and useful then I don't mind some money going on commission (though I do believe payments should be transparent up front)
- programming: yes several have said he fairly blatantly tries to get you to sell Educo - but you can just ignore this can't you? (even if you are under 'hypnosis' you should be able to be aware of this if you come to the course balanced, I think)
- TQ as 'god'? . He does seem to have a puffed up sense of his own importance - but again if the overall result is of value is this significant?
- product cross-promotion eg health supplements: well any business does this - if you are aware of it you can take it or leave it.
Overall, as a few posters have mentioned, even if you don't like some aspects (whether from a TQ course or any other), if you can take value and make this work for you personally or financially, then perhaps this can be considered worth the course fee for that person. At the end of the day every individual should be aware that it is he or she themselves who is responsible for their own life, success and happiness, and not anyone else (though they may get help and guidance and 'tools' to use from others)
For the two journalists, I would suggest they contact Paul Elliot and Peter Sage for a view point as they were both very experienced in the areas including personal development, NPL, 'success' etc (which is a similar 'space' to which TQ operates in) before attending Educo. Even thought they may be pro-TQ they should be likely be able to add useful context as opposed to individuals who know TQ and nothing else and come out the other side with only a TQ view of the world.
Looking forward to the articles and any more posts - ideally from those not at the two extremes of the pro/anti TQ range, as this actually gives a biased forum due to missing all the attendees 'in the middle'. Thx again for everyone's posts (and future ones).
(Message edited by zack on November 27, 2004)
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soilsiu (soilsiu)
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Posted From: 81.49.4.93
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 10:04 am: |
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I was extremely disapointed by the seminar I was on. There is very strange guy assisting TQ who I think is probably Blacksheep.
Since then I've found a person who truely teaches and the difference between her and TQ is enormous. In only three sessions I have moved on in myself, the way that I hoped 2 weeks with Quinn would result in.
He can do it but he doesn't. It seems his intention is to create a cult following. He never teaches really. Just talks about himself.
The last day was a joke. He tried to pile in all the spiritual stuff in a couple of hours as though it were an after thought.
I know he's able to help people because I have been on his seminars before, before they cost an arm and a leg.
They were £350 and well worth it. Now they are just a programming session where the goal is for you to come out loving TQ and telling the world about it. He has become the master of, as he says "get them in, get them out, get their money". |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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Posted From: 213.79.41.36
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em, you're thinking of Jim... i'm not Jim.
i have to agree that in the last while the organisation has become quite a bit more "agreesive" when it comes to trying to sell the seminars. Perhaps down to the fact that an increase in the amount of people attending causes more ppl to want to "spread the word" ... as it were.
also, i'm still slightly recoiling from the post by "felixdontneededuco" ... i thought i didin't care what people thought about me, but surely i don't come across as a mindless cult follower?! I don't think i ever said that the organisation was perfect and it's attenddees divine... i only post here cause i like to talk about things from all perspectives. Perhaps i shold just *away* |
soilsiu (soilsiu)
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Posted From: 81.49.4.123
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Or it could be because TQ has made it more worth while for individual people to spread the word. Not to mention the impact of realising that you are out of pocket by EU15,000 plus the cost of transport, plus whatever other unneccessary expenses occur after the seminar.
TQ's a nasty sort. He can help people but chooses to spend an entire two weeks promoting himself. That says a lot. He used to be a decent guy but now I wouldn't help him if he was hanging off the edge of a cliff. He gives spirituality and self help a bad name.
Jim's a great example of what's wrong. He has been with TQ for about 20 years and he's still weird. Most of the people in the Eccles street centre are as odd as camels too. With the exception of the two people running the gym. I did a short session with them and have to say that they are really on the ball. |
irishbackpacker (irishbackpacker)
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Posted From: 193.1.172.146
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yes i agree with you soilsiu, i knew jim years ago when he got involved initiall, he was normal then. I also agree with the eccles st theory, i dont agree completely with the gym as Dave is high up on the tq ladder but he is not as brainwashed as the rest of them.
Blacksheep , you seem relatively level headed, dont suppose you want to give us some details of your involvement in the organisation? |
soilsiu (soilsiu)
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Posted From: 83.114.112.115
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Hi Irishbackpacker
Is that Dave the bodybuilder. If so then he has been replaced with two really decent people. Conor and Eileen, unless I got the names wrong. Conor is particularily level headed and inspiring. He's totally pro TQ though. |
irishbackpacker (irishbackpacker)
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yea it is, he is highly ranked in the organisation.ah ok, i havent been in there in a long time. |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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okay, i'm just heading to bed so i'll be brief
"Conor is particularily level headed and inspiring. He's totally pro TQ though."
heh, i just thought the above line was funny. it's like:
"Conor is particularily level headed and inspiring. It's a pity my bias now nulls and voids afore mentioned positive qualities because of who he works for and what path he has decided to follow in life"
"Blacksheep , you seem relatively level headed, dont suppose you want to give us some details of your involvement in the organisation?"
Em.. "thanks"  but who's saying i'm "involved"? Also, this might be a small point, but i don't think that Dave is acutally "part of" the organisation at all.. as in, he's not on the payroll.
Also, saying that Jim is "wierd" isn't too nice! Poor 'ol jim!! He just works the cameras and helps out here and there. Plus he's a closet nerd, so he's alright in my book ;)
(Message edited by blacksheep on December 02, 2004) |
jack (jack)
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Posted From: 83.70.53.215
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Thanks Zack seems like Dr Zoe has thrown the cat among the pigions. Thanks for drawing my attention to TQs website now I know what the Sunday Independent article was referring to. Great article by the way Indo.
I have some questions
Why do so many people who have been in TQs for so long come out and say its a con?
How come TQs girlfriend Tara O'donnell is one of the testimonials saying how the seminars are so good.?
How come Aideen Cowman who is working for TQ for about 30 years says much the same thing on her testimonial? why does it have a black and white photo of her taken YEARS ago when she was younger and slimmer?
How come there is no mention there of her being so good at selling the seminars to people who are brought to her for more relaxation?
The same is asked about Margaret Forde, Martin Forde's wife, who has been teaching TQs courses for years? |
irishbackpacker (irishbackpacker)
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Posted From: 193.1.172.146
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I think that you might find that dave is on the payroll in some form or other.
Jack- his girlfriends are as brainwashed as the rest of the organisation.Aideen Cowman is also one of the original people in the organisation, and would say anything to promote it.
And blacksheep you are obviously involved |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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nope.. did some summer work in a store years ago cause i wanted to learn about the suppliments. I have no connection now... part from perhaps a mention in my CV.
so obviously "schmoviously" :P Anyway, lets leave the annonimity okay? it's a possiblility i know some of you people and i really don't want ye to know who i am...
i hope you can appriciate that there are some very hate filled people posting here. i don't really want any of that directed at me
(Message edited by blacksheep on December 02, 2004) |
irishbackpacker (irishbackpacker)
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yea thats cool, was just wondering. Doubt I know you, as havent been involved indirectly for some years.
Seems like you managed to escape getting roped in! |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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*pfh* don't "getting roped in" me! |
jack (jack)
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Posted From: 83.70.53.215
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What does involved really mean? is it when you come back from a seminar and you are on a mission to get new recruits and make a lot of dosh on commission? or do you have to be on the payroll to be involved? Blacksheep, why are you prentending to be on the fence? not long back Aug 5th you said you had just come back from a seminar and doubled you income, how much did you earn before you went and how much do you earn now? how many people have you signed up for the big 5 grand commission? Is everybody who thinks they are on some devine mission with TQ the devine leader not involved? |
irishbackpacker (irishbackpacker)
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good points buddy!! |
soilsiu (soilsiu)
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Blacksheep obviously is involved currently and is not trust worthy in terms of what he says because he has blatantly lied. He was able to identify one of the posters here and he is very aware of the status of the organisation at the moment despite his claims to have only done sumer work in one of the shops.
He said---------------------------------
August 05,
I have just done a seminar. I have also doubled my income ( as this was one of my goals ). I have also lost a stone and a half healthily and feel great. Family relationships that were slowly sliding down the toilet are now the best i can every remember them being.
November 28, 2004
i have to agree that in the last while the organisation has become quite a bit more "agreesive" when it comes to trying to sell the seminars. Perhaps down to the fact that an increase in the amount of people attending causes more ppl to want to "spread the word" ... as it were.
November 27, 2004
Do you even know the type of thing that is discussed at said seminars or is your only education on the subject the flames and rants as shared by the above ppl? I obviously can appreciate that certain governing bodies can slap our credentials and that the unsuspecting public need to be warned of this fact.
December 02
nope.. did some summer work in a store years ago cause i wanted to learn about the suppliments. I have no connection now... part from perhaps a mention in my CV. |
soilsiu (soilsiu)
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Posted From: 83.114.243.171
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Does the 5K commission count as a part of your income?
It seems unreasonable to count it. It only relates to the world of Tony Quinn. How well do people do in the outside world.
Seems that the people who claim to have increased their income would have a lot of vested interest in pushing that point if they are selling seminars.
(Message edited by soilsiu on December 13, 2004)
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blacksheep (blacksheep)
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Em, i wasn't able to identify anyone and i havn't sold any seminars. Trust me not if you wish. To be honest, i've had enough of the mud slinging here.
adieu |
arty (arty)
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test |
arty (arty)
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There seems to have been very little traffic to this BB lately. Have things improved on the seminars? |
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soilsiu:
okay, i'm going to address the following.. cause strangly enough, my "word" is still quite important to me even though you don't know who i am or seem to care how your writings effect ppl...
My name is Paul Dolan. I'm 20. I go to college in Carlow IT. i have never got commission for selling a seminar. My income doubled when i started a small enterprise selling and making computers. I am in my final year of college. I do not currently work in the stores. My father "was" the manager of the Dundalk center.. i got summer work through him. I have never been able to identify anyone off this board for certain, except perhaps ppl who work in the stores who'm i've met at the shop meetings.
so "blatantly lied" ?! screw you buddy. You are perhaps the most irrationally abusive individual i've ever met online. And while i hate the whole prospect of shouting abuse at ppl over message boards, you have drawn this small outburst from me.
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Posted From: 83.114.112.64
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Hello Paul
Sorry for pissing you off. Someone id'ed a poster here and seems to have deleted the message. Sorry for assuming it was you. Also sorry for upsetting you so much.
As for the commission-I never suggested you had earned any. I don't trust anyone associated with Tony Quinn. The experience of going on his seminar and meeting the man called Jim has given me a lot of disrepect for the organisation.
soilsiu:
okay, i'm going to address the following.. cause strangly enough, my "word" is still quite important to me even though you don't know who i am or seem to care how your writings effect ppl...
My name is Paul Dolan. I'm 20. I go to college in Carlow IT. i have never got commission for selling a seminar. My income doubled when i started a small enterprise selling and making computers. I am in my final year of college. I do not currently work in the stores. My father "was" the manager of the Dundalk center.. i got summer work through him. I have never been able to identify anyone off this board for certain, except perhaps ppl who work in the stores who'm i've met at the shop meetings.
so "blatantly lied" ?! screw you buddy. You are perhaps the most irrationally abusive individual i've ever met online. And while i hate the whole prospect of shouting abuse at ppl over message boards, you have drawn this small outburst from me.
Regards |
blacksheep (blacksheep)
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that's all fine and dandy, but never let distrust turn to abuse, aye? it lessens the weight of any arguments you might have and ppl might start to dislike you. |
jack (jack)
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Blacksheep, Sorry to hear about the death of your old man, Tom Dolan. Terrible tragedy for all of you for Tom to die at such a young age..49, and to suffer from cancer must have been horrific for him. Very sady indeed. Hope you are all doing ok now. Only heard about it the weekend of the Sunday meeting.
Hey Blacksheep, there is no hatred for you here on this forum. In fairness you have jumped in to try to defend tq to people who have already seen through the SHAMBOLOGY THAT IS TONY QUINN AND EDUCO.Futile for you to even try.
Blacksheep you must admit you did try to sound a young blow in that had only discovered tq and coming back from a seminar and doubling your income, which seems to be the big thing for some reason. Its easy to double your income when you start with nil.
Your old man was hanging aroud with tq for how long? 20? 30? years, one way or another tq was in your life your whole life. Your old man had the franchaise on the Dundalk tq shop and managed it for a good many years. Your old lady, Georgina has been a tq-er for as many years. You might have lived in one of his communes.
Play fair Blacksheep, you are not wet behind the ears when it comes to tq and the sham This forum is not about you anyway, it is here as a result of people being ripped off by tq and his people in the cult, a lot of people have been messed about and not going to take it lying down. |
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Posted From: 213.79.41.36
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jack:
i have no problem with talking or disscussion the philosophys of educo or any other for that matter. However, i really did not want my families names to be either mentioned nor discussed. To think i was showing a level of trust to mention my name only to have it shat into the ground by you.
If i felt a need to bring either of my parents into this discussion i would have, it is not your place to do so. neither is any form of detail about my fathers death. do you feel that this needs to be placed in the public eye? that anything could be gained from it? that i have not suffered enough pain over this matter only to have someone bring it up again in a public forum.
to be quite honest, i see not how you have progressed this discussion further other than to annoy and sadden me. i can appriciate that some people may have felt hard done by and that this forum serves as a place for them to voice their feelings and concerns. I would be the first to stand up to allow such people a voice. What you have done in your last post however, was wrong.
regards,
paul
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Hello there.
I tried to follow Tony for ages, about 10 years. I did the courses, the diets, gym, seminars, but never quite made it.
Neither did lots of others. However, the ones with real staying power do seem to have an amazing sense of hope. They don't notice that they are now middle aged, have no family, don't own a home, or that their life's goals seems to be all about Tony's success.
They may own a sports car and have a tan and be glamorous, I'll give them that. However, most young people who don't have a family can spend all their time and money on themselves.
I notice the really long-term devotees actually do get older, fatter, get ill sometimes, and, believe it or not, can actually die too.
Please forgive my cynicism. Its just that I noticed while I was attending all the courses, that mapping out goals was a big thing. I had long lists of goals, that didn't change over the years. I did marry, got a nice house, have a great family, have an ordinary job. All down to my own choices, efforts and some luck.
In TQs, all good things that happen in life were attributed to Tony. However, if your endeavours turned out to be unsuccessful, the implication was always that it was YOUR fault. You weren't implementing the TQ philosophy well enough. The only answer seemed to be to attend another seminar, get on a better diet, get into better shape in the gym (which would involve buying industrial quantities of supplements) etc.
I feel older, wiser, a bit of a sense of betrayal as I write this. However, my philosophy now is that Life is for living as happily and as best as you can, not for trying to live up to an unattainable goal prescribed by someone else. |
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You got it in one Leo. I know what you mean when you say it took you 10 years to see that the whole thing is a sham. Maybe by having sites like these we can spare a lot of people being ripped off, not only financially but being lead up the garden path year in year out with unrealistic goals and forever pretending to themselves and everyone around them that they have perfect lives.
Great to see that you're doing so well now, I know a couple of people whos lives are really messed up with this cult.
Just wondering, did you ever think when you were in it that it was a cult and did anybody ever say to you that it was, or I mean if anybody wants to answer that, I would like to hear what you think. I think it is a very bad cult. |
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Posted From: 194.125.205.145
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Jack,
No, there was a total unspoken rule that nothing negative was ever expressed. It would have been, again unofficially, high treason to question anything about the organisation.
There were many positive aspects to my experiences during the time I spent into TQs. The first was that Aideen's relaxation classes turned my life around in a huge way. I was quite a cynic and narrow minded about things (thinking I was dead cool), and I found my perception on life expanded, and I made lots of positive changes in my life.
So here I am delivering mixed messages about TQs. My enthusiasm waned greatly when the €15,000 seminars in Bahamas etc started. Many people felt they wanted to go, had to go. This was to be the essential turning point in their lives.
I did not go myself, but know many who did and who felt compelled to sell the idea to others. I could not see how the investment had benefited them so much. I know there are many claims to doubling incomes etc. However, I don't believe that these improvements were sustained over any period of time.
I know of one person who featured in the amino or weight loss supplement ads at least three times over a few years, having made dramatic weight losses. However, in between the diets, the person was piling on the weight again and then wheeled out each time like a new comer. They told me themselves that they were taking very large quantities of the supplement, much more than the recommended dose.
People are just people. Good things happen to people. Bad things happen. As I said before, all the good things were attributed and documented by us enthusiasts in the Blueprint for Living (TQ magazine)as being a direct result of TQ. We kept the not so good things to ourselves. In fact, I think the whole movement was about denying the whole side of life that would not read like a success story, and only acknowledging the glittering side.
I like to acknowledge and learn from all aspects of life now.
Leo |
generic (generic)
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i attended a tony quinn seminar in febuary,and so far my life is changing for the better, everyone is entitled to there own opinion but are the people who are putting down the seminars have they actually practiced wat they learned while they were on the coarse one day i might attend a mind masters and if i do it will be a reflection as to how successful ive become,im the most level headed person u'll meet,im glad i attened the seminar i had the time of my life and its thought me that i can have fun everyday and its only negative influences in this world will try to ruin that for you (a common trait of human nature)im not a millionare but i can sure tell u im happier than most millionares in this world,as for tony quinn he is just a man and for me the information that he provided is invaluable to me,but its common sense give something for free and thats wat you'll take it for NOTHING,charge for it and by god you'll focus on results from it,time will tell how successful i'll become all i really want is to be happy and i am happy and it will continue,so ask yourselfs do u want to be happy?? then be it and stop letting bad crap enter your mind and thats one of only a thousand things that ive realised from my experienced at the tony quinn seminar,and if tony doesn't appeal to you ,you can always listen to your mother there normally right its a natural instinct to help there offsring anyway they can |
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Posted From: 194.125.148.4
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In the immortal words of Van Morrisson
"no guru, no teacher, no method" |
jack (jack)
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GENERIC, YOU SHUDDA LISTENED TO YA MUDDA. YOU NEED ENGLISH CLASSES FOR A START. WE ARE THE WISE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE, WE HAVE PUT INTO THE TONY QUINN PHILOSOPHY AND SAW THE RIP OFF. HOPE YOU'RE NOT A GIRL, IF SO, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE IN A BLACK MINI SKIRT AND WEARING HEAVY BLACK EYE LINER BY NOW, AND TELLING EVERYONE YOUR LUCKY NUMBER IS 7 |
generic (generic)
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wise people,for a start wise people dont complain they get on with there lives,as for english go fuck yourself,as for lucky numbers no its not 7,if your life is so happy get on with it,im outta here just heard about it just thought id have a look,im doin very well in life,and your telling me bout english lessons (mudda)ok i rest my case,enjoy whining about tony quinn im sure he gives a fuck,jack n jill get on with your life u might be gone 2moro so live it,and if anyone gets away with getting 18500 euro per person on a seminar well fair play to them they must be doin something your not,i dont really care wat tony quinn does,it was money well spent ive made twice the amount back already,so thanks tony quinn,bye guys just get on with your life and stop feeding into this crap its all in the past get on with it, if you fell u'd pick urself up so get over your (losses) and get up and do something,and stop waiting your time on this crap as the song says theres a world outside your window so fucking use it(oh god not very tony quinn is it but i dont give a shit) |
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Generic, So how much is all your so-called happiness costing you? Looks like the more you pay up the more happier you are! I wonder how happy you'll be after your heavily in dept, on your way to bankruptsy court & finally realize YOU'VE BEEN PUNKED?!
I HOPE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN PUNKED by TONY QUINN join together for a class action suit!
My EDUCATIONAL MIND tells me you will win!
EDUCATIONAL MIND: means to educate oneself about organizations that claim they offer riches & happiness if your stupid enough to PAY BIG BUCKS FOR IT!
(Message edited by Rjchinook on May 07, 2005) |
jack (jack)
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Its all about the three Rs. RECRUITMENT RECRUITMENT RECRUITMENT. When all the laughing, HO HO HO stops out of the big fella TQ he gets down to business, puts on the guilt, you HAVE to bring in new recruits or you don't get rewarded with the feel good factor. By then you are really sucked in, hard to break free, you owe too much, fractured lives, fractured families, you are screwed. |
george (george)
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Did you know that Tony buys his supplements from these guys, puts his labels on them, and sells them on with a VERY marked up price?
http://www.lef.org/newshop/cgi-shop/showCategory.cgi?catid=33000 |
arty (arty)
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Posted From: 82.121.254.137
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To make this information resource more available to everyone that needs it create a link to this page from your website. The more links, the more likely it is to be found in time to prevent people falling into the TQ trap.
If you don't have a website you can get a free webpage from http://www.webspawner.com/create.html
They are very easy to create and free. There is no need to insert your identity if you are afraid of damaging business relations with people that have done seminars.
You can say what you want and express yourself honestly.
Here's the one that I created. It took about 1 minute.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/artytom/index.html
To make pages more effective link them to one another. In other words, when you create a page create a link to this one and let me know by email. Then I'll create a link back.
(Message edited by arty on June 07, 2005) |
arty (arty)
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Posted From: 81.249.152.214
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Hi
I did a seminar with Tony Quinn two years ago and am not happy that they produced the results which were assured. There are so many reasons that it would take a website to list them all.
I asked for my money back almost 6 months ago. Mostly I dealth with Tom McKenna. I also wrote to the company in Gurnsey a few times at Tom McKennas request. He informed me that they then faxed the letters to him to get his feedback. I never got any confirmation from the company in Gurnsey that they had received the letters though I have a copy of the receipt of the registered letter from the post office which shows they signed for it.
I never received my refund nor any letter informing me why. Tom McKenna does not answer my phone calls and never replies to the messages or texts that I send.
Tony Quinn does not deliver on the promises of his agents. The seminars are not as they are described and most of the time is spent listening to Tony telling people how great he is instead of getting on with any training.
Off and on I have been going to Tony Quinn related things since i was 18. That's over twenty years and for several years I never missed a week of the sessions with Aideen. I went on two of the early seminars when I was 21 and they were better than the new ones and cost nothing in comparrison. They were held in Howth and Malahide.
I agree with most that has been stated here. He does not deliver on promises and seems to have no intention to.
If legal action is to be taken against Tony Quinn or Tom McKenna or any other member of the organisation with whom I have had contact I will happily add my name to the list. My email is arty@tombyrne.com
I agree with Soilsiu about the gym but have to say that despite considering Conor and Eileen to be friends, the only contact I have had since leaving Ireland is from Conor and that was at Tom McKennas request to convince me around to his point of view.
When I signed up for the seminar in 2004 I was asked to sign a copyright agreement stating that I agreed that the information contained in the seminar was copyright of Tony Quinn and that I would respect that. None of the information provided in the seminar was copyright of Tony Quinn. All of it comes from other sources and much of it is word for word from other publications.
The Tony Quinn health food company has assetts of EU15 million in cash at the moment. This is public information and is available from the companies office. Tom McKenna is a director of the company.
The Seminar organisation, is not a listed company in Ireland. The assets are unknown. It is highly likely that the assets far exceed the assets of the health food organisation. |
arty (arty)
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Posted From: 81.249.217.44
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Here's some information on how altered states of consciousness/mind are used to convert people.
It's politely called conversion but is actually brain washing. It's neccessary to read right through it rather than take a look at the first chapter before you relate the information.
http://www.dicksutphen.com/html/battlemind.html#birth
If you consider the techniques being employed and compare them to your everyday life you will see that many of them are used on a regular basis both in your work place, in cinema, in the news on the radio and TV.
Consider then the seminars. Most of the time is spent listening to Tony talking about himself. How great he is, what he's done in life, how good he was in every job.
What do you think is happening. Are you being trained to help yourself or to adore TQ.
To keep him on a pedestal and by extraction to want to be around him. On his seminars eating his health products, believing whatever he says.
His seminars are not about improving yourself. They are about becoming TQ fans.
(Message edited by arty on June 16, 2005) |
neil (neil)
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How come TQ doesn't ever have any athletes promoting his line of nutritional supplements? They only ever have middle-aged people in their ads |
watchdog (watchdog)
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Posted From: 82.113.29.10
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TQ had a seminar in Montecarlo On 16 july.
I didnt go but I have the fortune to see him on his rented yacht in the harbour in front of my building every day this week. Anyone thinking of attending his help seminars should see what I see. He is only helping himself to your cash. By look of him on the top deck of the boat, he has no guilt in suggesting that his "techniques" can even help cancer patients. Pity I cant post photos to this board. |
jack (jack)
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If you really want to show tony the phoney's mug off you could post it on photobucket.com you just have to register like you do on this site and click the flicks. The seminar continues until next week with all the "one born every minute" suckers being sucked further in to the cult by the ol'guru himself. |
arty (arty)
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Posted From: 83.114.244.73
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Yep, I'd be interested in seeing those photo's too. If you want to, you can post them to me at arty@tombyrne.com
Anyone interested in very good quality and not very expensive health products can goto http://www.healthspan.co.uk/
They are shipped from Guernsey.
Tom |
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Posted From: 217.42.18.125
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Hello to you all,
I have been following a trail of TQ from a Life Coaching website called Eurocoach. Somebody posted a message on there a while ago, remarking that one of their clients had attended his seminar in Monaco, paying £15,000 for the privilage. Much discussion followed about how a life coach could earn that kind of money. This piqued my curiosity so I been delving. As a newly qualified coach, I have to admit to being a tad naffed off to find that Mr Q is a fraud and a shyster. I've never heard of him, but I am quite annoyed that he poses as a life coach when all he seems to do is wreck peoples brains!
It's terrible that so many people have had to go through so much (and waste so much money) for nothing, I just hope that Leonie et al manage to get their lives back. I'll keep coming back to this web site to see what the update is. Thinking of you,
Regards
Hetty |
arty (arty)
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Please post a link to this site for the members of http://www.eurocoachlist.com/ |
dubquench (dubquench)
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Posted From: 193.120.73.101
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I never went on a seminar, they are the updated version of his yoga classes which I did attend in the seventies. He was heavily into teaching about karma, reincarnation, astrology, diet and exercises. The classes took on a twist when Quinn wanted us to hold social gatherings in our houses, we all went along to each others houses. Along time later I realised that he wanted to get into our houses to see what kind of houses we all had and see how much we were worth. During the visit to my house he made a degrading remark about me in front of all the other members. It was obvious that he was very jealous of the beautiful home he was visiting. It became evident that he had a big chip on his shoulder about coming from the inner city. He also told us that striving after money was wrong and we were to leave materialism behind.
His classes were a rip off I dread to think how the people who are paying big bucks must feel. |
tab (tab)
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I have ben ripped off and subjected to mind control over many years to the tune of at least $100,000.This man charges $1,000's and has up to 10,000 people at a time to his seminars around the world, and yet there isn't a dedicated area to post on the factnet board at all. I'm talking about Tony Robbins of course. Can someone explain why I can't seem to find much about him? |
jack (jack)
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Posted From: 83.70.51.247
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Yep,The ol' guru has another load of wannabees lined up for the next seminar next week. Managed to grab a bit of coverage on the radio while in a taxi today. Taxi driver shouting all sorts of obscenities at the mere mention of the ol'guru. Could'nt hear it too well, hope they will continue the blast of Quinn tomorrow.
I heard Joe Duffy say that Quinn is taking in A million with the next lot. Correction Joe...about 25% of that is commission for the agents who went on the hunt for these suckers. Tax free too.
If anyone wants to hear it, its the Liveline program on RTE radio 1 everyday at about 1.40.
Quinn and his crew need "a bit of a talking to" |
sandra (sandra)
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Help
One of my closest friends has been on one of TQ's mind master seminars. he has gradually been pulling away from his normal circle of friends since getting involved with this sect. Talk about programmed, he talks, thinks and sleeps TQ. He doesn't watch the news or read newspapers as he has been programmed to think that they are a negative influence in his life, however he spends his days listening to TQ tapes and all the other junk he has acquired. He has suddenly become an expert on all sorts of topics and is avidly recruiting people to go on seminars. He constantly talks about mindsets. (anyone who doesn't agree with TQ is in a mindset)He is obsessed with making money. He was a perfectly normal person before he got mixed up in this junk. Tony Quinn is a dangerous man. This guy has become completely brainwashed. It is like someone else has taken over his personality. THIS IS A CULT. He no longer socialises with his family or former friends. Is there any light at the end of the tunnel. His mother says she has lost a son |
den (den)
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Posted From: 83.70.56.68
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I have written today to the Irish Minister for Justice to demand that a full investigation be done into the practice of Tony Quinn, his team and his agents. An enquiry is needed as to how they get away with causing untold misery to families the length and breath of Ireland, people from abroad too are suffering the misery.
I would ask people, who, like me feel that an investigation needs to be done, and feel that legislation needs to be passed to stop it, to please write to the Minister, Mr. Michael McDowell at the address below.
Minister Michael McDowell,
Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform,
94 Saint Stephen's Green,
Dublin, 2,
Ireland.
Fax. 01 4988087, Fax. 01 6615461.
email, minister@justice.ie. |
leonie (leonie)
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Posted From: 81.153.16.82
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Dear Sandra there is light at the end of the tunnel but it will take patience and stability on your and his family's part. I too was once very deeply involved in the cult. Your description of your friend sounds very much like some of my experiences.
I've posted here before and you'd probably have read my initial story near the beginning of the site, I am LJ.
Like his mum, my mum was at her wits end, even threatening to go and have a face to face with the man himself (little did she know that for that privilege she would in fact need to fork out thousands of pounds!). Her threat was followed by me booking a flight to Ireland the next day.
What you have to realise however is that at this point it is doubtful that anything you or his family say to him would have any effect. Hence why patience is required. It will actually be up to him to start seeing the cracks for himself. The passion you describe sounds to me like he is sincerely searching for answers of some sort (as was I). This may work in his favour in that there will come a point where he begins to see the flaws. Begins to question the double standards that he will begin seeing within the upper echelons (among the "big wigs"). This differs from those who primarily see the educo system as a money making tool. I feel these to be the more calculating personalities who realise exactly what's happening and really only take what they need and don't become too emotionally or mentally swallowed up. It doesn't sound to me that your friend falls into this category.
In any event I appreciate how anxious you are and wish you and his family all the best. |
emma_roberts (emma_roberts)
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Hi all,
I am a Dublin-based journalist researching for a documentary about Tony Quinn and Educo seminars. I have read the board and was further persaused that this topic needs to be brought into the public eye. I would like to hear from anyone who feels they could share their experience- good, bad or ugly. I can be contacted by email Emma.Roberts2@hotmail.com or alternatively call me directly at 0879717125. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
arty
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Hi
Unfortunately Emma is a UCD journalism student. When I called her she had no questions ready. Doesn't seem to have a definate plan together. |
neka
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Posted From: 24.9.13.225
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You know...I had to post a note on here because I've never seen so many lost individuals. I tell you the truth, the reason most of these people on here had bad experiences with Tony Quinn is because you were believing in a man. This man was going to change your life and make everything ok. If you have gone on the seminar have have these thoughts, you truly missed the meaning. It went right over your head. I speak from experience because I have gone on the seminar. I am a young black woman grounded in God. So all the problems that you people have spoken of are spiritual. I'm sure this will go over your head too if you don't know God. Tony's job at the seminar is to help you increase your faith, teach you how to commune with your spirit and let it guide you and to stop looking at life through all the negativity that people in this world have told you to apply to every situation that you face. Most people don't operate in reality because you apply previous (bad) situations to current events in your life. Stop leaning on your own understanding. If you don't realize your potential of who you really are, no...you will never see the light and will continue to be lost. It's not about Tony. He's not God or the Messiah. Stop worshiping him and stop blaming him. Get the plank out of your own eye and stop judging man, because there will come a day that you will be judged. For those that know the scripture, this will make sense. When you clear your mind and meditate. Focusing on being open to receive, you have to have God in everything that you do. Otherwise, your not just open to good things, you are opening yourself to bad things too. Just like in school, Most people don't ace everything because they don't understanding everything. Consciously, you will never get it. You by yourself...you will never get it. I feel sorry for those that had a bad experience, but it's not Tony that gave it to you. Only you can control your mind...your thoughts. This isn't hypnotism. Those that got it just learn to use the other part of there brain. I pray one day that you will realize life truly as it is and stop being so angry. Work on you before you try to work on someone else. |
jack
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Posted From: 83.71.11.20
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neka why would you be surfing a cult website?
Perhaps you googled "how do I know if I am in a discructive cult?" If you did------you are.
neka nobody wants to know what colour you are, its doubtful ol'guru cares either, only thing he cares about is the colour of your M O N E Y . The more the better.
Planks have been taken out of eyes, the veil is lifted the charade is seen for what it is, the facade is a joke,
Keep praying neka. You need your prayers because you are a very valuable member of a discructive cult------The Tony Quinn Educo Cult. No mistake. |
lori
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How dare Tony Quinn.....how dare he...
If he realy cared about people he would be offerning his services for free. He is a small and perms his hair to add a few more inches.... |
neka
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Posted From: 24.9.13.225
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Thank you Jack for your comments and suggestions. Even eyes of wisdom. Maybe I just can't see what you are looking at. As far as why I fell upon this site, it had nothing to do with questioning what I was involved with. I was compling information for the gym we are opening. I must say, I'm surprised at how people have found a way to point a finger one way and not the other. Honestly Jack, I think people were believing in a man the way they would believe in the Messiah. I truly feel that is the problem. But, I haven't talked to everyone that had a problem with the teachings. Then again, I don't know if it's more that they have a problem with him. A Cult per Merrium-Webster is: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents. I follow the Messiah. But I get knowledge and understanding. Sometimes it's hard to sift through it. But I thank God for the anchors that I have to help me do so. |
arty
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Posted From: 81.249.220.193
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Neka
The man is a con artist and hasn't done anything for anyone for a long time. He's only interested in the money and his followers have bought into that as well. They earn a commission on everyone that they can sucker into joining his seminars. He's become a thief. |
goose
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Interesting reading Interesting heading.
Tony Quinn Human Potential/families.
At first it might appear to be a strange heading to put Tony Quinn under,but when you think about it, it makes alot of sense.
Small. Yes Lori he is small. No perm though, just wirey grey hair+dyed for that ever young look. Small man. Napoleon complex. Likes to divide. Tries to conquer. Happy people secure in marriages and happy families are useless to Tony Quinn. He seeks out the weak people to manipulate and exploit. If there is a spouse/family in the way, he will chisel away at his target follower until he has weakened the link, broken the bond and taken control of his target-Body-Mind-Spirit. His target follower is then out there walking and talking the Tony Quinn Mantra. Another life, another relationship messed up. Destroyed. You might have lost your Wife/Husband/Son/Daughter/Brother/Sister, but Tony Quinn has gained another puppet. He has scored another victory. Its all entertainment to him. People are his playthings.He has no family.
I will join the rest of you in informing the minister about his antics, every detail. Sitting in the wings serves no purpose. Put our government to work, tell other governments.
He has divided. He will not conquer.
PS I can see it now, a new poster family being formed for the Hollywood varnished page. |
lori
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 68.126.148.171
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Are you sure about the lack of perm Goose????
And I know he wore wee wedges inside his Italian shoes to help "elevate" him... too many shoes Tony in your Martello Tower!!!!
As for him having a family! - If he had a wife, he would then be unable (maybe) to pick and choose as his girlfriend... the newest, hotest inocent girl that joined the TQ family, he has done that since the 70's.... spins out a yarn and they are falling at his old feet. |
arty
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Posted From: 82.121.250.242
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I hear that Tara has been dumped now.He made her go through a lot to stay with him. What a waster. He can't commit to anyone. |
latida
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Posted From: 67.176.28.196
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Just got the entire speil from someone who was trying to sell me on the seminar. He seemed to speak to me in a condesending fashion as if I just didn't know how to be in "the flow" and follow my spirit, which is different than my gut. He couldn't explain it....I just had to go to the seminar to understand.
Obviously my friend has been brainwashed. According to him, this seminar takes one far beyond any book, any counseling, or meditation. He told me that meditation is only a glimpse into what is achieved through Educo.
So I guess all of the people who have been practicing meditation for THOUSANDS of years never quite figured out what TQ knows.
It's sad so see intelligent people who are so brainwashed. I have lost a friend. Hope he comes back to earth someday soon. |
latida
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Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 67.176.28.196
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I couldn't really converse with my friend who is immersed in Educo. When I tried to talk about common situations in life, I was put off for not being "aligned."
Thank you to the person who posted words from one of TQ's CDs. I was amazed at how many theories and points were IDENTICAL to TQs. Obviously he had lost his original thoughts.
It's sad that this person no longer listens to or reads the news. As TQ says, it's just not necessary since it's negative energy. All of the cults strive to isolate people.
The supplements and training cost my friend $500/mo. He had results after 12 days, but let me be clear....I have seen many of the trainers and many of them don't even look like they work out at all. I don't understand how their "12 minute" program 3 days/week or so is so effective.
I'm flabergasted. This was my first experience with someone so brainwashed by a cult. It saddens me since I know that at the core is an intelligent and kind person. Hopefully he will find his way home soon. |
arty
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Posted From: 82.121.240.10
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 5:45 pm: |
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Hi Latida
Sorry to hear about your friend. TQ is unfortunately only interested in the money. I doubth very much if your friend will be saying the same things about TQ in two years from now but it's still a long way off.
It's sad that people who are searching for something better and who listen to their other senses get caught up by people like that.
There are so few honest sources of information.
Before Collette got hold of TQ he was okay. He seemed to be able to do things for people. Now he's not even interested. He only tells them what he wants them to repeat to other people. There is little or no meditive, creative or spiritual training on the seminars. It's all discussions about how marvelous TQ is. Most of that is seriously twisted versions of reality. The next most important subject is, how much money there is to be made from selling seminars. |
arty
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Posted From: 82.121.246.110
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 9:38 am: |
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Good factual info can be found here.
http://www.esatclear.ie/~dialogueireland/tq/tq6.htm
and there is an informative PDF document here which was written by Journalist Donal Lynch
www.esatclear.ie/~dialogueireland/tq/tq01.doc
(Message edited by arty on September 26, 2006) |
tayto_v_king
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Posted From: 62.17.136.3
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 8:50 am: |
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Is Dave O'Connor the new Tony Quinn? |
arty
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Posted From: 82.121.253.31
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Unfortunately it does seem so. Beware. |
arty
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Posted From: 86.212.160.174
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 4:42 am: |
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If you want everything and more, much, much more (it wouldn't be hard) that TQ offers on the Educo seminars get the video, 'What the bleep do we know'.
http://www.whatthebleep.com |
arty
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Posted From: 86.203.147.101
| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 12:44 pm: |
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Hi
To get in contact with Tom McKenna, who is the person that takes your money on behalf of Tony Quinn and who you can ask for a refund. Simply dial - 00353-(0)86-124177
That's the Irish Mobile number. If anyone else has phone numbers please post them here or email me direct. |
arty
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Username: arty
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Posted From: 86.203.146.209
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 4:28 am: |
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Hi
Correction on that number. It's 00353-(0)-86-8124177 |
webbster
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Posted From: 86.129.111.172
| | Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 7:17 am: |
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These Educo gyms are a swizz, don't join 'em if you're serious about getting or keeping fit! I work in the fitness industry in the UK and some clients have mentioned them to me - you pay through the nose to run on the human equivalent of a hamster wheel in a grotty corner office!
Don't get roped into the franchise either, Quinn wants one on every corner (surely they will cancel each other out though, Alan Sugar he is NOT), you will not make money from this joke of an idea! |
