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gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1573
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 7:07 am: | 
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http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10056 |
angietangerine (angietangerine)
Intermediate Member
Username: angietangerine
Post Number: 128
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 130.18.149.108
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 9:12 am: |
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anyone who stands in a womans way just because she is a woman deserves to have more than his career destroyed. the zine you linked to is misinformed about what a feminist is. it sounds like some more of rush limbaughs crap and most feminists dont think like that. there is the response you were trolling for. sorry i couldnt be more FLAME-tory. but keep it up. |
munchkin (munchkin)
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Username: munchkin
Post Number: 56
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 10:56 am: |
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well, there seesm to be a certain amount of misinformation as to what an actual feminist is. Amongst other things. However all we woul dbe for arguing amgainst the tripe you've supplied is more feminists, so i'm not going to bother. good luck to those who do.
love becca  |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 378
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
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dave one of my favorite poems is called "sermon"by ted joans-go to the library walk up to the front desk there's a lady there that can help you find the poem she might have to read it to you but don't be ashamed-then you'll know what a feminist is |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1574
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:45 am: |
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It is interesting what a simple link to a news article directly unrelated to the poster can generate!!!
Hi "angietangerine"
I think we got off on a misunderstanding here. I agree with what you wrote 100%..... “anyone who stands in a woman’s way just because she is a woman deserves to have more than his career destroyed.” But not destroyed or “chucked in jail on false charges of assault or rape which is happening all too frequently.
I also agree with your statement “that the zine you linked to is misinformed about what a feminist is.” Yes, that was a bad choice of words in the article and that without thinking I copied as the title for this thread. I should have entitled it this is not feminisim. That’s my point really, real feminists do not want that article reflects.
As far as the “rush limbaughs crap” as you wrote I agree again 100%. I can’t stand that man’s views on just about anything from women's issues to the environment. And again your correct as you write “most feminists dont think like that”. And you ask the question ... “there is the response you were trolling for. sorry i couldnt be more FLAME-tory. but keep it up.”
It was actually, I just didn’t think it would come that way. It was the misuse on my part and the article of the word feminist that made you see a mirror image of what I am. Sorry about that, but not sorry about your response, because you see exactly what I saw that .....“that the zine you linked to is misinformed about what a feminist is.” What the repoerter is complaining about in that article is not true feminism... But it is what a very small number of powerful and extreme females (not feminists) are actually trying to accomplish. They are for real and have extreme power. Sort of a female version of Rush Limbaugh. So you won’t get a argument from me from anything in your post. I am simply trying to protect men and ultimately women and families and the nation from this type of thinking... “i.e., men are [always] batterers and women are victims, a woman's complaint or he-said-she-said allegation must be accepted as valid and acted upon while no presumption of innocence is granted to the man, the definition of domestic violence does not have to be violent or even physical, and the complaining woman must be provided with free legal and "victim services" while the man is on his own to find and hire a lawyer willing to challenge feminist anti-male orthodoxy.” and particularly this..... “Another caveat is that arrest and prosecution of the man must go forward even if there is no visible indication of injury and even if the victim opposes prosecution.”....... again as you wrote .... “misinformed about what a feminist is.” I hope you believe me and we can be friends.
dave |
gatordave (gatordave)
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1575
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Hi. “rachelengland”
I think I know what a true feminist is. I worked with some of them in the beginning of the movement. A woman that wants true gender equality with her male counterpart. To work together for the benefit of the family, community and country as a whole. To share the work and responsibility and make household chores for the most part gender natural. Like cleaning around the toilet always perceive as a natural woman's chore when it should be the man's chore, not because the chore itself has anything to do with gender, but rather in most cases it is the man who made the sickening mess. Now if all men would sit when they pee then it should be an "equal opportunity chore".
And on that note men should not expect a woman to feel amorous when she has to clean up that mess, even days later. Believe me. I personally cleaned washrooms in my trailer park. After empting, “you know what”in the women’s washroom, even when used properly, it kind of took the edge off amorous thinking. More men should think of things like that and be more sensitive. Now I think that pretty well captures it. Would you agree?
And I think I also know what the agenda is of a fringe group gaining extreme power that has been deemed "feminazi." and I believe true feminists don’t want that.
I also know how “wolves in sheep clothing” like this character "VOICE" use women, and women’s issues and twists the truth.
I do apologize, when I set up this thread I was quoting from the article. I meant extreme feminism, which still isn’t a good way to describe what I mean or what that article reflects in my view. Extreme feminism should really only mean extreme equality and nothing wrong with that. But extreme feminism I realize is interpreted even by me as “feminazi.” That I believe the majority of men and women are not interested in.
dave
btw, are you near London or Manchester were the terrible pyramid fraud Treasure Traders International, now under investigation by the RCMP and denounced by the BBB, but, promoted by this anonymous annoying scoundrel "VOICE", and is defrauding citizens of millions of dollars? We are receiving many complaints here from citizens in England. |
angietangerine (angietangerine)
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Username: angietangerine
Post Number: 140
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 130.18.149.108
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hi gatordave: friends, sure. i have nown of people who were accused of crimes against women and were sent to jail. all because the woman said so. I also know this has happened in the past and it is totally criminal and the courts are biased. it is changing. my husband got custody of his son because his wife was a drug user. he got child support and that is great. it doesnt always work that way. the article was very disturbing. i know of the extreme feminist and they have ruined some of the real chances we had to become EQUAL UNDER THE LAW. see you. |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 13
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 69.85.184.183
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What a feminist was considered to be years ago does not apply to today's man hating radical victim feminist. Most modren day feminist are of the 'extreme' type. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1592
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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That's true “artwise_one”. But bear in mind they still really are a very small minority of women in my view although as an organized group their numbers are enormous and growing. It's just that they are well organized, well funded, have extreme influence, are able to “brainwash” other women and have seized power to the extent they strike fear in the hearts of judges, police, prosectors and decent women. They are what psychologists and sociologists studying the astronomical rise in teenage girl bullying call “Queen Bees.”
Men like this sicko “VOICE” (who replied on this same topic on the “SOCIAL ORGANIZATIONS” thread) “latch on” and manipulate and use that power to their own advantage. These psychologists and sociologists point out that like “Queen Bees” these women also surround themselves with “drones” that are easily discarded when their purpose is no longer relevant, unlike "VOICE" who attempts with his lies and twisted truth to be the “Bee Keeper” controlling the whole nest.
These men haters, some of whom are truly victims of horrible male brutality have taken control of women shelters, the courts and the media using their influence and power to “get all men.” They indoctrinate women with their extreme views and coerce even decent women to lie to put their husbands or other men in jail and destroy them so they can ultimately take everything and gain full control. They deny women abuse men and “downplay”the extreme cases of abuse against men that end in mutilation and/or murder. Those cases of abuse that cannot be ignored and must be reported in the news.
When a woman is proven to have seriously abused, mutilated or murdered her husband, she’s justified because he “must have done something to her”and deserved it. Is the same ever said about a man? When I woman hits a man as my wife admitted in court while at the same time admitting in over 20 years of our relationship I never once raised a hand to her, nor was I violent, it didn’t raise an eyebrow, it was presumed with the lies she was coerced (mainly by men) to tell in court, that I deserved it. Noone raised the question “if I was so unreasonable and brutal why didn’t I hit back at least when I was hit?” Imagine if I had hit her for any reason and tried to justified that.
And when a woman seeks psychiatric treatment it's because her husband “drove her” to her mental condition. If a man seeks psychiatric help it’s because he “nuts” not because of his wife’s manipulation and conduct. And on and on.
But, notice the women who have so far replied on this thread. They are open-minded, willing to give the “benefit of the doubt,” recognize that women are also capable of malice, in spite of the initial inflammatory and prejudicial lies, misinformation and twisted truth levelled against me by the sicko from TTI who bills himself “VOICE_OF_REASON”. On the TTI thread he’s commonly known as the “BS_VOICE_OF_TREASON”.
dave
p.s. It would be helpful to know “artwise_one” if you are male or female and from what gender and experience shaped your views or if your views are just through general observation of what is happening in our society today. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 430
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
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Artwise i consider myself a feminist-and i'm not a manhating b*tch-dave-you sound like your fighting a never-ending battle-and you sound extremely stressed-here's a few things that always help me thru a tough time first breathe deeply -it keeps the mind open second a massage does wonders especially a hot-stone massage and third hit the yoga mat every weekday these things my dear fellow are called getting in touch with your feminine side ...take care rachel |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 686
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 10:02 am: |
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i'd like to get in touch with your feminine side.. |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 21
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 69.85.184.137
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rachelengland breath deeply on your purple sex toy. Think about your lesbian girlfriend and leave me out of your dumb a*s advice giving. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 534
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
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Phuck you! And it's pink and the lesbian thing haven't tried it yet but that's a typical point you make feminists are lesbians -yeah that's your fantasy artwise I got your number -you want woman to shut up and sit up straight- you just talked to the wrong one I was joking around with Dave -I don't give advice of any real substance on this board i leave that to people like t-katt and glorytoallah it's a form of relief I get during the day talking to idiots like you is especially heart warming!
(Message edited by rachelengland on November 23, 2005) |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1653
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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"artwise" I find your comments disgusting. To assume someone's sexual orientation and to imply that on the web is spreading sick gossip. And furthermore sexual orientation is none of your business. But if you are going to be offensive at least you might ask before you assert anyone's sexual preference. That's a general observation and a general comment.
And "rachel" you have no cause to call me an idiot. That's where it started on the TTI website first with the word idiot, by otherwise decent young women being led by a sick bunch of cyber bullies until accusations of rape and homosexual rape were being written by these twins.
Now I started this thread. If you can't reply with anything thoughtful and meaningful than I would ask you respectfully to please take your comments elsewhere. These subjects are very important and don't need the tripe you and the other disgusting posters bring to these forums. That is not what I recognize as true feminism. True feminism is not lowering yourself to lowest disgusting level of the male species.
dave |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 536
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
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I'm sorry dave I didn't think i called you an idiot and thank-you for sticking up for me with that artwise -I'm not erasing my post however because what he said wasn't true i'm not a lesbian nor do I have sex toys but dave the guy had it coming...
(Message edited by rachelengland on November 23, 2005) |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1654
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Sorry I just re-read it before you posted. You did not call me an idiot. I did read that incorrectly. Again I'm sorry.
dave |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 537
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
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it's okay no hard feelings i never came here to hurt anyone I came to factnet to discuss a cult topic close to my heart and sometimes i talk to people and joke around I wouldn't hurt anyone - i tease the guys sometimes but its all in good humour-again I'm sorry i was going to say happy thanksgiving but your in canada-hey did you hear-i won babe of canada on the other site-hahaha |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1656
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Ya I saw that.
p.s.
You right don't delete the post. Noone should be put in a position to have to defend agaist attacts like that. It's just that I was baited into responding to attacks like that and know what it feels like.
(Message edited by gatordave on November 23, 2005) |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1657
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Interesting. I took a look again. I see what happened. I read it the first time as though there was a period after with. So it reads. Dave -I don't give advice of any real substance on this board i leave that to people like t-katt and glorytoallah it's a form of relief I get during the day talking to idiots like you is especially heart warming!
But I can see that's not the way it was written nor intended. And that is interesting.
dave |
voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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Username: voice_of_reason
Post Number: 51
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.158.63.40
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Whats wrong with sex toys? |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 538
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 4.159.5.76
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Nothings wrong with them! But I see your bringing flowers to my crowning ceremony this is getting to be a big event.Dave again I was calling artwise an idiot not you I said I was joking around with Dave yes there should have been a period after your name but remember though I am good with words I too make errors. Rachel
(Message edited by rachelengland on November 23, 2005) |
t_katt (t_katt)
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Username: t_katt
Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 12.16.33.89
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Hey! Hey! Hey! It's Artwise, the pi$$ed off alchoholic from the AA thread.....have a few belts or smoke some dope, man. Your way too stressed out.}} |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 541
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 4.159.5.251
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t-katt is that where he's from that explains his anger-can you believe that guy-what did I do to him? rachelengland the angel? |
t_katt (t_katt)
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Username: t_katt
Post Number: 34
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 12.16.33.89
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You are such the angel doll....a bright halo, fluffy wings,.....and wait a minute.....is that a pitchfork your holding behind your back? |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 542
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 4.159.5.251
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Come on I think your ihavesinned incognito am I correct? Because I don't want to be caught cheating. I will be faithful to my lovers prayer faithful and I don't care....
(Message edited by rachelengland on November 23, 2005) |
t_katt (t_katt)
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Username: t_katt
Post Number: 35
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 12.16.33.89
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No.....I promise. Don't worry, it'll be our little secret. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 543
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 4.159.5.251
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what would be our little secret? Are you taking advantage of me? |
t_katt (t_katt)
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Username: t_katt
Post Number: 36
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 12.16.33.89
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Oh, would I.......Yum!
Goodnight, kitten. |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 22
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 69.85.181.101
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"Anyone who stands in a man’s way just because he is a man deserves to have more than her career destroyed."
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rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 545
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 4.159.5.9
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artwise do I detect a woman destroyed your life-I'm listening openly now tell me-do you hate woman? |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 23
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 69.85.181.101
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Whether you like it or not, most feminist ARE lesbians, it's just the way it is. It's also true that what a feminist was considered to be years ago does not apply to today's man hating radical victim feminist. Most modren day feminist are of the 'extreme' type.
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pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Username: pickled_sausage
Post Number: 51
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 65.93.21.30
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:56 pm: |
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Aartwise strikes me as very unwise..and also somewhat unenlightened. |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Posted From: 69.85.181.101
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No, I DO NOT hate women, it's feminists that are full of crap.
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artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Posted From: 69.85.181.101
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Man-hating victim feminists are unenlightened.
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gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1667
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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I guess the important original debate on the link that opened this thread is lost.
dave |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1668
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Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Worth consideration by persons with unbias enquiring minds.
http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0112/oc01121a.htm |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 29
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 69.85.184.234
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"Feminists believe that all men are evil abusers.
When a man abuses them, deep down they feel a creamy sense of satisfaction. Their belief has been validated.
Therefore they carefully craft a life, and surround themselves with people who will create more of this abuse.
Thus further confirming their belief structure."
This type of mentality has been studied and explored by countless psychologists, and is typical of the average feminist.
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voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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Username: voice_of_reason
Post Number: 52
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.158.64.116
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Well it sounds like you and Dave fit the bill nicely..... |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Username: pickled_sausage
Post Number: 52
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 67.70.46.198
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Dave
I think the "unbiased, enquiring minds" would like to know what your qualifications are to speak on this topic that you deem so important. You promised a rebuttal on the thorny issue of whether you are, or are not under a court order prohibiting you from returning to your hometown. As you recall, your recent claims contradicted your past postings so there was confusion that you were to clear up.
I guess my point is that if you are currently under certain court imposed restrictions because of past domestic issues, that hardly qualifies you as "unbiased" on the subject I would suggest. |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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Posted From: 69.85.184.210
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Feminists suck because they are too consumed in their own world to actually realize that sexism has pretty much dissapeared. Any book written by a feminist is usually one-sided slander that isn't even good enough to burn. If you genuinely think feminism is about equality, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying....Any right minded person in favor of equality should have nothing to do with this hate movement (feminism) except to condemn it.
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gatordave (gatordave)
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Post Number: 1674
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Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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You just have no idea what you are talking about "PICKLED_BRAINS". I have been busy shutting down TTI in the U.K.
You brain-dead lying cyber-bullies rattle off so many lies, twisted truth and inuendo it does take a while to get to all them.
I will post the indepth reply to the series of lies on the other thread that "VOICE" I believe posted. But to satify you on a clear point; you asked a simple straight forward question and you received a staight forward honest answer. "Is there a Court Order baning you from Kincardine." at which point your sick gossiping mind in overdrive took over jumping to conclusions, the way sick gossiping minds do before they mislead everyone "because you wouldn't back away from a good fight"... you sermized
Don't you relize yet what a sick gossip you really are. Like I say show your wife what sick gossip you create...... the simple answer to your simple question is "There is no Court Order or any other legal document baring me from my town." That is the simple truth. And further more it is none of your gossiping business. Neither is anything else in my personal life. Stick to the issue of of Crook Kippax operating an illegal pyramid fraud that has now been closed down in England.
It follows a pattern of the corruption in this great country of Canadian. Corrupt Canadian Authorities work with, rather against organized crime, and criminals. They don't shut down organized crime generally until other countries do or complain. Just like the corrupt "WEW." That's Canada. That's why we are having a non-confidence election. Government officials "in bed" with organized criminals.
When are you going to take your head out of the sand or your own bodily cavity. You're in complete denial because your brain of "PICKLED_SAUSAGE" does not have the capacity to think on it's own.
Remember corrupt police and lawyers said "WEW" was "a perfectly legal pyramid." I said it was illegal. I was correct, it was perfectly illegal all the corrupt lawyers, police, and all the kings men" etc., were perfectly wrong. What more do need you "BRAIN" dead sicko!
We now have the criminal organization TTI shut down in the whole of the U.K. as I understand, and I might add predicted and that isn't because it's was found "perfectly legal".
And if I were you I would watch my mouth, coward, when discussing my personal life. I have already warned you. Now cease and disist with the lies, inuendo, and twisted truth. Check the long form on the TTI thread. Then keep you gossiping tripe to yourself.
dave |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Username: pickled_sausage
Post Number: 54
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.157.73.203
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How is it gossiping if I'm simply asking you for clarification? This specific thread has nothing to do with TTI, and it was started by you. You started this by posting a link to a document that was obviously a pot shot at feminists(Hell, take a look at what you titled the thread). So, you asked the readers to be unbiased(above), and I simply ask whether the individual who started this thread carries a bias.
All that is being asked for is clarification on your own words. Nothing made up...no innuendo...no gossip.
And you have the audacity to call others "cyber-bullies". Look at your own words again. Never once have I uttered a threatening word in your direction but for at least the third time, you have done so above.
So, you will probably get your way. I'll go away out of concern for my family's safety. Your words are threatening enough, and I simply don't care enough to risk any further dialogue that may upset you.
Well done bully.
And finally, for the umpteenth friggin' time, nobody has dug into your personal life or done any independent research. All that is being commented on or questioned is information you've introduced.
June 25, 2005 on Some People Don't Deserve to Come Across this Business " I fear.....now that I am allowed back in my community"
September 24, 2005 on New Here"After the case, I was allowed back into my community but 100 metres from the home and business I built".
Your words, not mine. I point this out not to embarass you, but as originally intended, to establish your objectivity on this specific subject.
Get well.
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rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Artwise-I'm not sure where you get your ideas from in fact I believe the pioneer feminists were the ones who were quite extreme-most modern day feminist are really just looking out for needs and concerns of other women and helping young girls realize their potential despite their background. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Yes I agree there are enough threads out there aready with "PICKLED SAUSAGE" "innocently" repeating the same sickening questions.
But, "PICKLED BRAINS" like the vicious teenager "innocently" wants to know "how is that gossiping." Lets take a fitting analogy from a "page" of teenage cyberbullying.
Mary (is a virgin who doesn't do alcohol or drugs) and the "Queen Bee" wants to get her. Posts on the internet emails etc.,.... "Goody Goody Mary "two shoes" denies "she got drunk and did five guys at the party Saturday night. But we all know what the truth is. Tell everybody girls."
"Queen Bee" (the likes of "PICKLED_BRAINS)" didn't say Mary got drunk and did 5 guys at the party" she said Mary denied it. (examine these same dirty tricks in posts by "PB" "VOICE" "BS_TRUTH???" and the master himself Bruce Audley at work).
Then "Queen Bee" writes "We all know what the truth is, tell everybody girls." Yes she does know what the truth is ..... that Mary didn't get drunk and do five guys. But what is the cyber-gang now parrotting??? (dict: repeat mindlessly)
It's "How to say something without saying it". And that's the way you explain it to children. For adults it's one word, inuendo.
How many others are going to repeat it the same technical way and know what the truth really is. Some other less intellegent or less malicious having been led to believe she actually did this, repeat and repeat it, adding more and more lies and inuendo, until someone is "way over the line" and calls Mary a WH*RE and Mary finally retaliates calling her tormentor a sl#t. Mary who is proud of the fact she is a virgin, doesn't drink or has ever done drugs, a reputation other "loose" girls would laugh at or in this day and age, embrace and brag about, after a year and and-a-half (or maybe a lot less) of trying to defend herself against this cyber-bulling, and publically trying to lead a campaign against drugs and alcohol is found in her bathtub with her wrists slit.
But how", asks "PB" so innocently "can anyone say that was gossip?
Something to think about?
Anyway "PICKLED_BRAINS" I was not taking a "Pot Shot" at Feminists. I posted a professional reporter's account of a dangerous and unfair proposed law to deal with D.V complaints for the military.
It would seem that until A woman, or a boyfriend, for no justifiable reason points a finger at you and lies, and you are behind bars, that you seemingly lack the mental capacity to understand the facts of other's cases who been so destroyed. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Dave-drugs,virgins doing it with five guys--- suicide!-You really know how to get your point accross on a fine Monday morning,(but that part about Mary being a virgin and most girls would scoff at that these days-I don't agree) Gossip is terrible it ruins peoples lives - we all have secrets and men are just as bad with the gossip as the women -we used to think women used their mouths to fight and men with their fists but I don't agree thats the case anymore-but you should be celebrating TT's victory in England--Dave have a good day and try to enjoy what little life the good Lord has given us it's gone before you know it-I'm feeling older as we speak-
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gatordave (gatordave)
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Somehow you seem to most times miss the point. There are studies on the huge growing problem of teenage girl cyberbulling. And it is a self evident fact that vast number of boys will settle their dispute with a few well placed punches where as teenage girls will destroy their victims with prolonged word campains.
But as I wrote, a while back as far as men gossiping, as a barber I can tell you it's not much different. But when it comes to real mallace, given a choice teenage boys will hit. Teenage girls destroy with words.
But, as you can see, grown cyberbullying men when they cannot get psyically close to thier victim will resort to the weapon of choice of teenage girls and that is vicious lies or equally or worse inuendo.
That's what my last posting was about. Inuendo. How to not technically lie but to more cold bloodedly create a horrable distructive rumour by inuendo. Or by half truths. I know, and I know the results.
It was in the month of November that a creative sensitve young man, sexually molested as a young boy by a wealthy executive who had close ties to the procecuting attorney and the Chief of police in the Regional of Waterloo, because of unbelievable police and burecratic bullying, mostly by men with the mentality if the TTI gang, with the same motive to keep the matter covered up, committed suicide. He was my son.
Now if you take a run back to the vicious TTI thread, you will see this relentless vicious cyberspace gossip "PICKLED_SAUGAGE" has spent time to dig back 14 years for a tiny "narrow-minded" fragment of truth printed in a newspaper, not to understand or question what the whole story was about but to further attempt to humiliate, discreted, provoke, hold to ridicule, hatred and contemtpt a 64 year old who is again trying to prevent people from being harmed. And he does this gossiping and bullying, by his own admission, just for "fun" between t.v. shows. That's "rachel" is recognised as vicious cyberbulling.
This website was created for people to tell their stories and find help, not a "playground" for bullies to make fun of thier adversities and cause further pain and if possible humiliate and psycologically further destroy them. Consider what the motivation is behind the majority of rebutal postings.
dave
p.s. "rachel" check it out. I didn't write nor did I try to imply "most"girls. I wrote loose girls. I meant the loose girls which their are many, but I did't say "most"
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rachelengland (rachelengland)
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dave-i didn't miss your point and if i do miss the point it's on purpose- i can read between lines-i've been reading the tt1 thread and I see you have many enemies with the exception of capn-blythe and he probably doesn't have an enemy in the world hell he won me over!-i even clicked on that link ps posted and it goes back a long way we all make mistakes but your yelling at these guys doesn't help your case it makes you look like a raving lunitic I say this out of utter kindness-i know girls use words that can cut like knives believe me I've been there-but men do too and obviously i see not one woman on the tt sites causing commotion all males-and I don't know of any loose girls never have wasn't one though i think you tried to make that assumption against me today when you were discussing cyber bjs-who cares about sh*t like that dave it's all humour it makes the world go around this pulling the naughty girl crap out because a women actually finds sex fun and enjoyable that has to stop it can't be associated with being loose that's so 1950's dave so sandra dee-let it consume you-let them shake your cage but stick to the facts-down with cyberbullying make love not war- |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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gatordave (gatordave)
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Who's putting down a girl who finds sex fun? We do have different views on what loose means I suppose. But interupting serious debate on issues factnet was set up to expose and offer assistance with, with the kind of stuff that fills threads here is shameful.
One of the points I was making is that, and these things happen, a young girl who chooses to keep strick morals can easily become a target of her peers because of those morals and be picked on even to suicide by insensitive bullies.
There are people in this world and more than a fare share on this site that simply delight in tormenting for no other real reason I can see but to hurt, bully and ridicle frustrate.
My parents were strick Christians. In some things extreme I thought. But I repected their choice of morality. My mother swore that no alcohol would ever pass her lips. She had an operation and the doctor perscribed beer as the best medicine to get her kidneys going. She refused. Even at the urging of family members she refused. Some really just wanted to see her drink alcohol just to see her cave in on her self proclaimed morals.
What is it with some people's minds. A few years later at the Christmas party at my house they spiked drinks with clear alcohol I used for certian mixed drinks just for the fun of "slipping it past" her and my Dad. Can anyone explain why some people find it necessry to do mean things like that. When I found out I was livid. They were going to give both my Mom and Dad more then tell them later. They thought it was a big joke and they would relize they were just having fun. I knew otherwise. I took them downstairs and warned them never to say a word and never do it again. in a big family you can't account for all your in-laws.
I was visiting friends of friends in Tamagamy Ontario I had never met. This kind of rough Character was offering drinks to everyone even the kids. A 14 year old girl a Babtist refused. She said no thanks you know "I will never ever drink alcohol." a little later having too much to drink and laughing her grabbed her and said you're going to try this and forced her mouth open and poured the drink down her throat like a dog. It was done before I could get back to the room. The girl was crying and spitting, and he's saying come on it was just a joke.
To this girl I sure it was like getting raped. She was intending to go to the grave never having drank alcohol. She may have chosen to change to a sociable drinker as she became older, but that would have been her choice. All she saw at the moment was she had been violated. The emotional harm that was done was enormous.
This is the harm narrow-minded people with no repect, no empathy, do to others for no particular reason than to, what? Someone explain. To me its just the satifaction of bullying. What? to try to bring others down to thier level. What?
There is a new public sevice message concerning bullying with kids saying I will stand up against bullying. I certainly hope these kids do not suffer reprocusions because of their stand. Bullies can come at you in ways you can not imagine. And they are relentless.
That's what I observe.
dave
p.s. and all this on this thread because I posted an article on a self evident unfair proposed law. Go figure
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voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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It takes a real simple search on Daves 1600+ posts to see who the "cyber bully" is. Daves offensive, abusive posts and bully tactics should have had him banned from FACTNet well over a year ago, excpect the moderators of this site don't bother enforcing the rules.
And the liar tries to say it is all in retaliation.....what a joke. |
artwise_one (artwise_one)
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People are increasingly angery with the man hating , family bashing feminazi brainwashing (Lace Curtain censorship of political correctness) or feminazis. What passes for “radical feminism” is fascism. It promotes chauvinism, censorship, maternalism, pseudo-anthropology, and scapegoating of men.
By the way, Rush L. did not invent the word feminazi, or feminazi correctness.
Feminist brainwashing, or hate-filled Feminist dogma, consist of telling people that heterosexuality is a "social construct," males are violent predators, and sex with a man is rape... What a bunch of hate filled feminists crap.
The truth is that most feminist are lesbians and for their own purposes which are as mundane as sexual rivalry with straight men for the women they both desire.
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gatordave (gatordave)
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That's true about a minority, I believe, but still a very, very large and vocal group.
dave |
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And some humour.... Divorce in Heaven
There was a couple who was about to get married. Before the wedding, they had a tragic accident and both died. As they were standing at the gates of heaven talking to St. Peter they explained their plight and asked could they get married in heaven.
St. Peter said, "Wait here," and left.
He was gone for several months then finally returned.
The couple said, "We've been thinking as we were waiting here, eternity is a long time to be married. Just in case things don't work out, is it possible that we can get a divorce?"
St. Peter looked them sternly in the eye then said, "Listen! It took me three months to find a preacher up here, do have have any idea, how long it would take me to find a lawyer?" |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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great joke dave-you've probably had a lot of experience with lawyers -maybe the word feminist has a bad hook to it-but for women to watch out for each other to make sure they receive the same attention to their health issues i.e. birth control, aids awareness,breast cancer research which is dear to my heart because i lost my mother to this disease,that young girls living in impoverished conditions have the opportunity to study and better themselves and to receive the same compensation a man does when they do work- these are issues that concern me I also get concerned about sterotypes a woman lives with especially if she's attractive- i'm not interested in overpowering men -just want to work side by side in equal conditions-dave i know this thread was originally about something else but sometimes the thread turns around-so i hope you'll understand-I've worked with abused woman in the past yes we are physically a weaker sex well I am anyway I do know some pretty tough girls thoughand it's rare a man is physically abused by a woman though it happens and I know some girls cry wolf and say they were abused when in reality it never happened-that's why we have a justice system and as you know dave one that falters-but we can work together to make better changes-rachel...
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gatordave (gatordave)
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If you really look for the truth you can find it in people who look into family violence unbiasly. It is not rare that few women abuse men. The numbers are not that far from equal. Men simply won't admit it. And when they do they are ridiculed and laughed at, and blamed.
Without evidence, without question, without even a modicum of thought, the man is told it's your fault. You must have done something to deserve it. Something!!! Nothing specific just something. An assumed offence of some kind.
Conversely when a woman says a man hit me, the answer is "no matter what you've done a man has no right to ever hit you."
It is true that in the vast majority of cases women who are assulted are going be in worse shape than a man assault by a women (like motorcycle vs car.) Not because the viciousness or the intent is lacking, only the pysical strength.
Though you want to witnesses what a large woman can do to a man as I did of the neighbour's at the first "economy" apartment we move into. This one had a woman's hate and a man's body, a very nasty combination indeed.
dave |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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I know it dave there are many strong woman out there-but i'm still going to say it's rare-sorry but men are far more the physical abusers-women say things they shouldn't though sometimes and set them off -but hitting is never correct either way- |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Getting beat up by a chick is pretty hot.
But you're right dave, my first appartment was the same story. The super's girlfriend kicked his a$s on a regular basis, and some other broad stabbed her man one morning, and he had to be stretchered out of there. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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where the hell are you guys living.. Compton? No I know it happens.. but most men are probably too humiliated to admit in court-hey i got beat up by a girl..
and stop male bonding on a feminist thread-just kidding dave
dave factnet may be closing down after the holidays-they aren't meeting the monthly goals...youn better get the word out and do something about that
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dowen (dowen)
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This one has me rolling in laughter.
Ya'll need to come down to Texas. You ain't never seed a "Strong Woman" 'till you seen a Texas country gal' beat the everliving tar outta her man...It happens regularly down here.lol. I've been on the receiving end of one of those episodes. Can't say I didn't deserve it though...hahaah. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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DOWEN!!! your not helping my case-hahaha |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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North Seattle.
BTW, how can these guys hate women so much. This guy above saying most feminists are lesbians...what a schmuck. Has a hard time dealing with chicks i guess.
I've had •••••• relationships, but still dig women, they don't scare me .
I personally think that controlling women is one aspect of most religions. |
dowen (dowen)
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"I personally think that controlling women is one aspect of most religions."
Hahahahahahahaha,
Maybe you should say that wimpy men are an aspect of many/most religions...This is a feminist thread after all... |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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dowen you know i very rarely agree with ihs(hahaha) but he's right and you know it.. look at the faith you follow-though i won't accuse you off it-woman are second citizens through-out most of the bible-the catholics have it together though-HAIL MARY |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Religions condition people to be accepting of certain things.
I know a Russian Orthodox girl getting married to this guy. She is hard-core religious, and he is an ex-military, partying kind of guy, trying to be good. Their religion only allows them to marry among themselves. This obviously narrows the field a lot, how many orthodox russians do you know?
I think he just started going to that church to find some innocent, naive girl to marry. And it seems he did. But would this guy be able to get her without the religion angle? I doubt it, he's shorter than her. The pastor actually intervened and told them they couldn't even be seen together in public unless they were engaged, so they got engaged. Sounds like the basis for a great marraige huh? |
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Gosh you guy filled this up before I could finish editing. I wanted to address the lawyer thing and edit the abuse thing. have a re-read
Yes I have unfortunately had a lot to do lawyers.
One successfuly sued by his client, a woman who he thought he was going "walk all over" until I found a false affidavit in Supreme Court files. The other one left the court in tears and announced two month later in the news paper he was leaving the practic of law. (maybe "VOICE" could dig that story up. Maybe he did, but dosen't want to share that one." (and the Hartman $ Strack Investment Company scandal with Hartman in jail. And few years earlier the Safeway Investment Company. Hey "Voice I havn't seen those papers in thirty years. Test the truth. An $832,000 dollar fraud. See if that figure is correct?
Another corrupt lawyer in a different matter, his partner the police commissioner throw uncerimoniously out of the firm after I exposed his corruption. They simply changed the locks and left his files about 20 feet up the corridor, a deserved laughing stock of the court house.
That's the one his political croneys were going to appoint a judge. See in Canada we can't vote for judges and have no say in how or why they are appointed. Actually we also simply elect a so called benevolent dictatorship about every 4 to 5 years. That's why we need bullhorns and demonstrations.
It does give them pause when a citizen pickets the Federal Parliment Buildings for a week in sub-zero tempeture with a large sign "THIS LAWYER COMMITTED PERJURY IN THE SUPREME COURT NOW THEY WANT TO MAKE HIM A JUDGE!!!! AND I CAN PROVE IT!!!
Oh Dear, nearly bankrupt, no judge appointment. And a few others, notably my estranged wife's lawyer who abruptly closed his practice after I subpeonead him and ask a few simple questions, like.... "was your wife in an illegal pyramid fraud "WEW" with my wife?" A. "yes." "Did you purchase a recording divice with a wire tap from Radio Shack..." A. "yes.".... "Did you tell the owner is was not for you but a client".... A. "yes.".... "Did you tell your client my wife to put that on my telephone"....Judge... "Don't answer that"
So, that's the lawyer issue you raised dealt with unless you like details that I can provide. lol
Now, as far as this women's violence stuff is concerned, if you really look for the truth you can find it in people who look into family violence unbiasly. It is not a rare occasion that few women abuse men. The numbers are not that far from equal. Men simply won't admit it. And when they do they are ridiculed and laughed at, and blaimed.
Without evidence, without question, without even a modicum of thought, the man is told it's your fault. You must have done something to deserve it. Something!!! Nothing specific just something. An assumed offence of some kind.
Conversely when a woman says a man hit me, the answer is "no matter what you've done a man has no right to ever hit you."
It is true that in the vast majority of cases women assulted by men are going be in worse shape than a man assault by a women (like motorcycle vs car.) Not because the viciousness or the intent is lacking, only the pysical strength.
Though you want to witnesses what a large woman can do to a man as I did of the neighbours at the first "economy" apartment we move into. This one had a woman's hate and a man's body, a very nasty combination indeed.
dave |
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Yes that religion thing is true of all religions I can think of. Anyone have any exceptions. That's why women had to find more devious ways. In most religions a man could just outright killed her or throw her out with no reprocussions. If a woman directly opposed a man or heaven forbid killed him, she would be in real trouble. So, feed him "special mushrooms" the effects only manifested themselves seven days later and could be blaimed on anything.
Or she whispered the right words to the right person and Wala!!!! one dead husband and one greeving wife.
And that's the truth!!! |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Dave..to your point above, "it is not a rare ocassion that women abuse men. The numbers are not that far from equal". You can't honestly believe that.
From the American Bar Association, Commission on Domestic Violence:
-90-95% of Domestic violence victims are women
-as many as 95% of DV perpetrators are male
-chance of being victimized by an intimate is 10 times greater for women than men
-70% of intimate homicide victims are female
http://www.abanet.org/domviol/stats.html
Is this not a credible source?
Where are the sources suggesting the rate of incident is near equal? |
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gatordave
Yes that religion thing is true of all religions I can think of. Anyone have any exceptions. That's why women had to find more devious ways. In most religions a man could just outright killed her or throw her out with no reprocussions. If a woman directly opposed a man or heaven forbid killed him, she would be in real trouble. So, feed him "special mushrooms" the effects only manifested themselves seven days later and could be blaimed on anything.
Or she whispered the right words to the right person and Wala!!!! one dead husband and one greeving wife.
And that's the truth!!!
Gee that's funny, under the Judeo/Christian ethic woman have become such equals that they can cut off their right tits to better throw their spears at men, maybe your have Islam confused with Christianity or Buddhism?...I know the differences are subtle |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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right tits nowwhat-when i last checked I only had one tit on the left and one on the right -who the heck has 2 right tits - i mean that could be really exciting-I guess you just made a grammatical error when you said woman? sorry dave to make you read such trash....
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ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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did i miss something |
voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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Dave skewes numbers and statistics to try to make his points more credible......but he just makes the numbers up.
And thats the truth! |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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dave relax you make good points and started a good thread here |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Hot off the Canada Court Watch mailing list, and hot off the Canadian Press just in time for the lying bulling big mouth above.
http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=06902f2c-5952-4292-9d1f-549a4fcc2ee8#
That is what happened in my case. My wife, on the witness stand admitted hitting me screaming and throwing hot tea across the room and acknowledge what she had told police earlier, that I had never in our entire relationship, over 23 years, ever hit her or been violent to date. Police testified and it is in the police record, that on the night I was arrested she said, "there was no assault, no threat, no contact, no words exchanged I’m am not afraid of my husband.” This written in other police reports.... “There was no contact, threat or assault that occurred." .... and this in the report at pg 231(o)...of OPP Officer Karsten Theiling 2003/03/24/ 06: 30 .... "Ranney stated that he didn't assault her and that she left the residence immediately without incident.."
By the time she was coerced by her lawyer, the Women’s House of Bruce, police and victim impact officers and people like "VOICE" she stood on the witness stand her head down, and said “He ripped his clothes off and jumped on top of me naked a screamed and threatened me I am afraid for my life.” Just lies. Lie, after lie, after lie.
I have been assaulted and threatened by members of her family, my car copped with ax, my business harassed by drug abusing in-laws and assaulted and threatened by the cook we hired. I reported it to the police, and was further abused, laughed at, and ridiculed. Police refused to even allow me to make a statement at the detachment and bullied me out of the building. Then arrested me on false charges, abused me while I was in the police cell, called my wife in to make a video tape full of lies and false statements contradicting her previous statements to police, and the lying perjuring OPP officer Brad Smith, had her boyfriend put in writing and sign a statement that I “threaten to rape my wife and told him he better bugger off” when their own police documents showed I was with police and the boyfriend was under close observation at the time he alleges I made this threat and the report of that night, with a female officer as the actual witness to these events who wrote of this cook Alex Nichols ....“he lied”. Then they took pictures of a sign damaged by vandals years before and put it along with unfinished parts of the building and alleged property damage. Then a pry bar and a screw driver are placed on the step on the INSIDE of the building and pictures taken of scratches to the INSIDE of the door and an allegation made I forced the door from the OUTSIDE notwithstanding earlier written reports that 3 police officers carefully examined the building and found “no sign of forced entry.” There are another nearly 400 pages of other lies. The police were motivated to destroy me because I discovered the huge pyramid fraud and tried to get two women victims their $11,000 returned before I had any idea my wife was involved with her lawyer, the top business owners, the relatives of the Ontario Provincial Police, and politicians in the fraud of the decade “Women Empowering Women.”
If anyone is interested in the extent of that fraud Yahoo search (it’s the best) women empowering women pyramid fraud, women helping women fraud, david thornton pyramid fraud
I came on this forum to tell my story and received the same abuse. Laughed at, ridiculed, lied about, accused of being a rapist, and by “VOICE” a “clone” of the pig farmer who killed 60 women and strew their bodies parts all over several acres, Paul Burnardo and by the Great Writer Bruce Audley....... Hannibal Lector.
The majority of posters here have proven my case of abuse, for me. What these well established business people, who can own jewelry stores, lobby with the highest people in government sell insurance, real estate, deal with large corporations like Allstate, the smiling police officer, nurses like the one who laughed in jail when the guards beat me up and, broke my ribs and threw me to the floor (and I thought at least I could turn to her as a member of the medical profession). These people show a face to the world of respectability and benevolence and yet when they think no one is looking or they can hide behind anonymity show such bigotry intolerance, narrow-mindedness viciousness and hate.
The next time you deal with a smiling cop, a smiling company agent, a respectable businessperson with all the connections to the services clubs and churches, pause and wonder what goes on behind the scenes.
dave
And despite that article and all my documents and evidence the "VOICE" with his closed mind and vicious bigotry, and lynch mob attitude will no doubt be back here again,with twisted truth, innuendo, lies, gossip, skewed numbers twisted statistics just lying to make his points more credible...... “VOICE” just makes it all up and lies.
Like Bruce Audley he is a professional "spin doctor" |
gatordave (gatordave)
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The last thing I need is to be patronized and told to relax because I started a good thread like this is some debating team arguing some theoretical or abstract concept. This is real life and people are being destroyed by the likes of this. You are reading about a man fighting for his life and a family that has been "brainwashed" and all their lives affected by these vicious lies and rumours. I saw the similarities in that article too. I used to play Santa Clause for the kids too. I would walk down the street ringing a bell with the presents in a large sack over my back. There is nothing left but to try to help and warn other about this vicious vile corrupt government and corrupt police state. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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HOW COULD THIS EVER HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY CALLED CANADA
dave |
dowen (dowen)
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Dave,
You seem to be a very tormented soul, I feel sorry for you.
If all you say is true about your case (and I have no reason to doubt you) then I don't blame you for your wordy and colorful way of expressing yourself.
Rachel was right though, take a day off and relaxe!
Come down to Texas and stay a spell.
God bless and take care,
Daniel. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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dave i am not patronizing you-why do you always attack me like that-dave I lived in south america the police are the most corrupt citizens there-you could pay them to do anything-lie,cover-up, kill-I'm sure it happens in canada too.. why don't you move -how about the south of france-really dave-why stay and live your days in anquish-we only live once- |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Hi Rachel..in the interest of fairness, I should point out that while I cannot comment specifically on Dave's situation(I wasn't there), the overwhelming majority of Canadians do not share his opinion. Those of us who dedicate our time and effort to our jobs, families and community, have little cause to interact with police...and when we do, the experience is seldom similar to Dave's.
I suspect this is also the case in your area.
I was pulled over by a Drinking and Driving Spot Check last night. I hadn't been drinking. The police officer kindly wished me good night and I was on my way. They didn't plant a bottle in my car, falsify breathalyzer samples etc. etc.
Again, I'm not challenging Dave's account. All I know is what he's told us. I'm just saying that it's far from the norm. |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Dowen, you're not Danny Owens of Baton Rouge fame are you?
Dave's right, Canada pretty much sucks. You have to go to a special beer store to get a six pack. |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Ahh...but it's worth the trip to the special store because the product actually tastes like beer, not watered down urine. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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You're just not going to give up are you ignorant "SASAUGE." And it dosen't matter to you how many families and kids are hurt, just like the pyramid fraud your friends are in and you support"
(Message edited by gatordave on December 09, 2005) |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Sorry Dave...write whatever you want. Completely uncontested. Write that Canada is a shithole despite the fact that most of us living here don't share that opinion.
I apologize for interrupting your personal diary with a dissenting opinion. Maybe I am igorant. I thought we were entitled to differ on subject matter on Factnet. I guess I should just "give up" and suppress my opinions because they have the audacity to differ from your's.
Are you that incapable of appreciating that someone else just might not agree with you on everything?. Surely you are not that daft. Can you never accept compromise. Must it always be, "fully embrace my position, unequivocally, without question".?
And for the record, I have not a single friend currently involved in any pyramid schemes so you know not of what you speak.
You angry, angry man. |
dowen (dowen)
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IHS,
Depends on who's asking...lol
Actually I have never heard of him. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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pickled sausage I know canada isn't a terrible place i'm in Michigan what's the difference really I even catch myself saying "aye" every once in awhile-I have great friends in the plastic surgery and dermatological fields in Canada you all don't have the regulations with FDA like we do here so a lot of innovative techniques with lasers and light sources are used in medicine there first-I too get pulled over for speeding quite a bit-
(Message edited by rachelengland on December 09, 2005) |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Michigan is beautiful.
I have family in Troy and friends in Novi. Two great cities. |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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I live in Seattle sausage, we have some of the best beer available here. Vancouver is a nice city though, beautiful , but I can only take so much Canada. at a time. Going to Whistler soon though, guess I'll have to schedule a trip to the beer store.
I wonder if they'll go to a special weed store anytime soon.
Dowen, I used to know a Daniel Owens in Baton Rouge, thought you might be him . You're in Texas though right? |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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It is beautiful-great lakes are amazing-I lived in few warm places but this place pulls me back even if it is 6 degrees for 6 months |
gatordave (gatordave)
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"I always had the same experience at the ride programs, but I didn't tell them about a pyramid fraud their fellow cops were in or that the OPP drunk and on grass sprayed graffty on a $100,000 piece of art in a Kingston Ontario public park that was blamed on students or I may have been dragged from the car and booze poured down my throat then beaten up and charged for being drunk and assaulting police.
It's different when there is a motive. And yes that's exactly what OPP did in a Kingston Ontario Park."
Why don't you do search on net for the news story in Kingston Ontario where a piece of art donated by a Quebec Artist was defaced in a Kingston Park.
Like I explained before, there are a lot of people in my town and other places who would not like to have these things poked into, but you have to keep poking your nose into matters you know little about with your ignorant remakes and the police-do-no-wrong-attitude. Many, and far too many are criminals and thugs in blue uniforms.
Perhaps someone in Quebec might still be interested in such a story. There are many many people who know about that but kept the secret, all these years and thought it was very funny.
I have no ablutions that, like Dudley George and a few others in this country gunned down, murdered by police I am probably going to be killed or otherwise "taken out of the picture" by corrupt cops perhaps assisted by people like you. You most likely would be one of those drinking and doping and laughing with the police maybe holding the light while they sprayed painted the artwork. These are the people who obviously have no problem with police in this country. But at least I have record here for as long as Factnet stays on the net.
the man who knew too much, they pushed too far.
dave. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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dave 6 degrees outside-my day off- home alone spending the day with you-priceless |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Let me know some of Seattle's best local brews and I'll try to track one down for a try next time I'm in "The Beer Store" or the Liquor Store.(never one in the same). Might find it in the import section. Thanks |
gatordave (gatordave)
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you people are totally and absolutely ingnorant |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Rogue from Oregon is good, the same brewmaster that came up with Alaskan Amber. Also from Oregon, Deschuetes is good.
The Seattle breweries are Hales, Pyramid, Red Hook, Maritime Pacific, Manny's, and many more. Don't limit myself to local stuff though, I like Red Stripe from Jamaica, Guiness (Ireland), and so on and so forth. |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Dave..this is where we are fundamentally different. You deal in absolutes. For example, I don't for a second doubt the account of Ken Charbonneau in the link you posted above. I accept it as truth. I do not however extrapolate from that and deduce that there is an equivalent amount of domestic violence against males as females. The fact that you believe this, and I don't, angers you and causes you to label me ingorant.
Similarly, I'm not so naive as to believe that police are incapable of abuse of power---here in Canada or anywhere for that matter. I do not believe the police acted properly in the matter of Dudley George nor did the Provincial government for that matter. You choose to believe this points to systemic police abuse of power...I see it as anectodal evidence that isolated incidents can occur. Read my lips...they can occur..Not NEVER. They can. But on balance, the vast, vast majority of citizens feel well represented by the police.
Your ego is such that if I do not wholeheartedly embrace your minority viewpoint, I am by default ignorant. Such wisdom. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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I think that the message of equality and hope for this thread have long been lost...rachel |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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What is your sausage pickled in?
BTW I looked at the link at the top of this page and found something even more disturbing, behold > the Conservative Dating Service
http://www.conservativematch.com/?referrer_code=humanevents&campaign_code=stop_dating_liberals_120x600
It says Sweethearts, not bleeding hearts. Good God if they start dating, they might reproduce... |
voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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rach,
You're in the medical profession.....do you know anything about psychology? What is the clinical term for when an individual is perfectly sane, but the whole rest of the world is sick and ignorant and needs to get help, in order for this individual to get better?
(Message edited by voice_of_reason on December 10, 2005) |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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voice- in my profession I'm usually dealing with self-esteem issues -but in this case rather than giving it a psychological term don't you think it's a matter of someone struggling with bitter feelings and when those bitter feelings continue to grow they turn into self-centeredness and in the end rage-like Dowen I have no reason not to believe Dave he doesn't seem like a liar but a wounded man-what ails me is the fact that the anger comes thru even in his writings by nature I am a quiet,easy going person I'm usually attracted to someone who is a bit boisterous but this is a whole different situation one I do not find attractive-who hasn't been hurt and wronged and wanted to scream it from the mountain top-but to do it in a more peaceful manner- well I don't know about you but it works for me! rachel |
gatordave (gatordave)
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You claim you're a nurse but you don't get it yet do you? When someone is wounded you don't keep rubbing salt and vinigar in the wound and laugh and torment the person as they struggle in pain and tell them to get over it, then wonder why the person screams out pain and says LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! What kind of a health care professional are you and would you treat a woman this way if it was done to her? And have you got some more can post right up 'till Christmas and then maybe you can take few moments just before Christmas dinner and write something really cutting. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Why can you not at least open your own thread and leave me alone. This is nothing than gratuitous viciousness. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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I don't claim to be a nurse i actually "claim" to be doctor but that would probably be to hard to swallow wouldn't it?-I treat women and men the same and i didn't think i was pouring vinegar into a wound-I was just saying how i felt- that was what the voice of reason asked me-i believe what you say but it's the way you say it that could use a bit of a sprucing up-happy holidays-rachel |
dowen (dowen)
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Dave, who is being vicious now?
That comment about posting before Christmas dinner was uncalled for...
Peace,
Daniel. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Uncalled for!!! Uncalled for!!! It's what was done last year right through Christmas. A simple question why do you not leave me alone and open you own thread?
You people come on other peoples topics talking about tits and bl-jobs etc., etc., etc., when families are getting hurt, kids are dying. old people being beaten up in retirement homes, people going to jail and being executed for crimes they didn't didn't commit and you degenerate these threads to tits and filth until decent people don't want to post here. And call yourselves the "sane ones."
This conversation just in to Canada Court Watch.
Thanks for your kind words Heather!
As for gender issues, I believe everybody will have their own opinion, and thats ok.
As far as I am concerned, there are domestic violence issues that result in a lot of harm being done, and yes, in many cases, death. SO some attention must remain focused on that issue. However, focusing solely on the men as the abusers, and the women as victims is the attitude that lands many innocent men in jail, and many innocent fathers without access to their children.
I am not denying the existance of the violence. I am stating matter of factly that "gender profiling" (as in racial profiling) to use the new term since 9/11) is absolutely wrong.
It is the women's organizations that pressure so desparately hard the government, and the judicial and legal systems, that are forcing them to lean to the gender based decisions.
CAS training was created with the assistance of a well known womens group. I believe it was the Violence Against Womens group, but the exact details I have to check into once again. The domestic violence committees with the police, I have personally tried to find out names of those on the committee in one particular station, and the existance of such a committee was neither confirmed nor denied. They were very friendly when responding by phone (they left a message), but as soon as they realized what it was I wanted they did not respond. Period.
In situations where the victim runs with the children where do they go? The only places available that "market" their availability is the womens shelters. They claim they are there for the victims, most importantly the children. When a number of representatives or workers from these shelters were asked if somebody ran froman abuser to them with two little girls, would they let them in?
"Of course!" was the reply. "Thats what we are here for."
When I stated what if it was the father running from the abusive mother the attitude changed. Drastically.
I asked if they would let him in. They stated clearly, "No."
I asked even if the children were wth him? I thought thats what they were there for? They stated they were not set up for that. I even asked if they would take them in until otther arrangements could be made.
The answer?
Still, "No."
Gender is not the issue?
Hmmm... seems like it is a major issue in this country and many others.
Female officers were brought in to deal with "crimes of a more sensitive nature to women." These officers are trained specifically on dealing with rape. Justifiably so. However, why are they not trained on the sensitive issues of all abuse victims? How degrading it is, how demoralizing it is. Specifically for those to come forward that are expected to be "tough" and "strong" and "big enough to handle it"
In the shelter incident.. the main concern is the children and they were left out in the cold with the father.
Why must I walk into Beth Phinney's office on Hamilton Mountain and be told that I am biased because I am trying to protect children against a violent mother, with the documents in hand to prove it? She had highlighted in her notes that I was "not listening", when she was tellingme that there was nothing she could do. I had to go to the higher level. Marie Bountrogianni.
Is she not my representative? I go to her, and she must speak for these children to the higher up. The proof was in hand. The CAS handwritten case notes, and court documents.
No.
I was biased.
I am biased only against those that do nothing to protect children.
Gender is, and always will be, an issue.
It must be removed for the government, police, and courts to be forced to look at every incident differently.
I, personally, went through the phone screening for counselling for myself. It was decided for me that I should be in the abused womens program. Another intake meeting was arranged. I met with a woman named Ina, or Ida. When it was discovered that I supported equal shared parenting, the meeting immediately went cold. I was informed that I would not find a "Family Services Program" that supports equal shared parenting.
I pushed the issue and suggested that domestic violence statistics clearly states that it is now basically 48% -50% or 50% - 50%. But who can get exact statistics? She became anmgered and stated that 95% of abusers are men, men that rape the women, men that beat the women."
Suddenly my discussion of setting an appointment for a counsellor became less important. On both our parts. She would see if should could get me an appointment.
I decided on my own, that I was ok. That I didn't need a counsellor to tell me I was abused.
It isn't me thats screwed up.
It's them.
Some girls are brought up to not take crap from anybody, and to defend themselves. And some boys are brought up to not hit girls No matter what.
Some took it too far.
I had a 15-16 year old girl tell me this summer... "I always hit the guys, because I know they can't hit back"
The t-shirts that say "boys are stupid, throw rocks at them".
We as adults, can deal with it.
But try being the boy that is being hit with those rocks?
The rocks need only be words. Remember that.
Many hear the words... "women went through it for years."
And that makes it less important that others have?
Keep the funding, train them properly. PERIOD.
Remove gender.
Everything leads to money.
Yup.
Womens organizations or huge. We need to learn from them.
Government funds CAS, CCAS, FACS, JFCS, womens programs, support their issues, they bring in judges that support the same issues, and then whats that get the government in return?
VOTES People. Votes and money.
And remember, in the end, it leaves the children out in the cold. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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dave life is hard it's full of pain,poverty and death I am a very sensitive and melancholy person and I have to be careful not to become too depressed over the issues-I'm glad you are sticking up for the underdog-that's your calling but there is a season for everything to laugh to cry and the people you defend need a good laugh once in awhile and a moment away from the seriousness- dowen thank-you... |
gatordave (gatordave)
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No it wouldn’t be hard for me to swallow if you were a doctor. In the last 25 years my doctors have all been women. But nothing the likes you display. You can post all this filth anonymously like all the others cowards.
The question is what is your motivation for coming onto all these threads and filling them up with your crap. If you are indeed a doctor or any health care professional you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
It must fulfill some sick uncontrollable fantasy for you to write all this stuff knowing your colleagues and neighbors cannot attribute any of this to you. Talk about sick there are many studies of the sicko who post anonymously, things on the internet they would never say if it could be attributed to them. And many, like here considered the “pillars of society” but anonymously fulfilling their sick fantasies by hurting others. Something akin to hackers. Cause all kinds of damage to people they don’t even know even potentially causing death where a crashed computer could interrupt vital services or communication.
And that’s all your doing, wandering from thread to thread disrupting communication. Again you should be ashamed of yourself. You haven’t answered the question why do find it necessary to go on a thread someone else opens up and write about tits and sick nonsense like that. It contributes nothing to the stated goals of Factnet and has no place here. |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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thanks-can anyone stick up for me probably not-you whipped the •••• out of me-(I mentioned breasts only because someone made a derogatory comment about women)-happy now
and for the record you are the meanest person on factnet!!!!!!!!!
(Message edited by rachelengland on December 12, 2005)
(Message edited by rachelengland on December 12, 2005) |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Sensitive??? I don't think you know the meaning of the word. A sensivive person would not keep following someone around for the sole purpose of antagonizing. What other motive could you possibly have to keep this up.
There is an endless beach. Everyone has enough sand to build a sandcastle. But you don't want to build one. You simply focus on destroying what someone else builds up no matter how far down the beach he goes to get away from you. |
munchkin (munchkin)
Intermediate Member
Username: munchkin
Post Number: 470
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
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dave do you not think that maybe you don't get taken seriously becaue all you do is attack others?
Yes Rachel and some others do get a bit annoying when thread go into ••••••••• etc, and often turn me away form thread if i see those posts. however it is more annoying to have someone who will insult you as soon as look at you simply because they disagree with you. Maybe you could try not to be such a schmuck to people and things will alomost certainly improve for you.
becca |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
Member
Username: pickled_sausage
Post Number: 75
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.157.72.235
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Rachel...pay no mind. You can't win. You cannot. Unless you throw yourself in and embrace what Dave says 100%, unequivocally, without question, he will turn on you.
He has even turned on people who philosophically shared his opinion on TTI because they weren't willing to be as militant in their position as him.
Take care. I'm certain you help more people in a week than Dave ever will.
Did I mention that you can't win? |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
Advanced Member
Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 850
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 12:53 pm: |
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thank-you i needed to hear that....rachel |
gatordave (gatordave)
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1818
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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I only called someone a sl#t because I was first called a rapist. I was likened to the pig farmer who killed 60 women and strew their bodies over seveal acres. But, that didn't count. I'm not supposed to have an angry reaction when my name is on the web but you are all anonymous.
And you still haven't answered my question. Why, if not to be spiteful, and antagonistic do you follow me from thread to thread attracting a bunch of sicko "males" in heat like some an ally cat. You even got Bruce Audley at it. Just go back and read the crap you bunch post. First your on, then the that sicko follows you drunk on pheromones then the rest follow.
Again the question. "Why do you keep following me around." |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
Advanced Member
Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 853
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
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dave I'm not following you around-if i attract men maybe it's the name rachel maybe I should leave and come back as myrtle-i have agreed with you on many issues and have spoken up for you and that I would have a different approach-listen there is one man on this forum i banter back and forth with and it's not on any of your posts and it's talk of music and sports and such it breaks up my day-i misunderstood this for a feminist thread and approached it as so- these men aren't in heat-and I have never spoken filth with audley he may have spoken it ABOUT me but not in my conversation i didn't mention bjs to any of those TT men they said those things is it maybe because I'm a women and we try to sterotype women at times you are attacking me so viciously I am sensitive have washed the feet of the poor have given dollar after dollar to charity and supported the down trodden but i can joke too-I'm not an alley cat anymore than your a rapist-I don't expect you to like me but I do respect your attributes of service to the community.. |
gatordave (gatordave)
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1819
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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All I have been since I got on this sick forum is attacted. My family attacked my son's suicide made fun of. Now, I don't know who you are but I know who that sick Audley is. You want to get screwing around words I can show you what words can do. Now I'm asking you sicko one more time leave me and my family alone.
All you talk about is winning. Start a fight through your ignorance and then the object is to win as gang persuing one person. This forum was set to up to help people not for a gang of roving sickos. Tits and Bljobs tear peoples families apart. What is the hell matter with you sickos |
gatordave (gatordave)
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1821
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Do think because you donate and do all these things you claim gives you licence to do what you're doing here? |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
Senior Member
Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 1176
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:48 pm: |
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Tits and Bljobs tear peoples families apart.
that is the greatest quote ever. |
voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
Member
Username: voice_of_reason
Post Number: 78
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.158.51.25
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Get used to it people, Dave has attacked almost every single person who has ever chatted with him on FACTNet. The discusting names will soon follow.
Respect.
Yes lets talk about respect Dave.
I have always extended the courtesy of giving you the same amount of respect you extend to me.
I thought we had an agreement. Yes, we have the “anybody but gatordave thread", and you have stayed away, even though you are correct, you have the right to post wherever you like.
And you started the "Victims of TTI Only - and Support, no PRO TTI POSTS!!!” thread as your special thread. On your first post in it you wrote:
"Reserved for victims of TTI and interested supporters. Please tell your stories of your encounter with TTI. Anything goes but we ask that it be the truth.
Please respect the special thread entitled The Anybody But GatorDave Thread We ask you not post or engage in arguments on their thread unless invited. All other threads are "fair game" for anything. Take them on in those threads at their own level, if you have the stomach for it.
PRO TTI ARE UNWELCOME HERE!!!
Citizen against Pyramid Frauds"
Well guess what Dave? I Myself, nor any other PRO TTI person has posted there. We have all respected the agreement.
“All other threads are "fair game" for anything.” Not, “all other threads except any other threads I deem to be off limits”.
Now you have not seen us jumping around FACTNet starting other threads on topics we may be concerned about, but stating that you may not post here, private thread etc..."
Why?
Because we already have an agreement, which we have both "respected", and already have our safe havens.
Regardless of what you may think Dave, we are not here to "hack-up Dave" or "say something nasty" about you.
Like you however, we do feel we have a right to defend ourselves from your relentless attacks on us. You stated that the only reason you called anybody a "sl#T" was in retaliation. Although this is not true, (you called the ladies from Vancouver sl#t's BEFORE they got fed up with your abuse and called you a rapist, check the dates of the posts) I do believe you have the right to retaliate against being called a rapist, especially when, as I have already stated several times, I do not believe its true.
Just like I have the right to retaliate against you calling me a "crook", and "scum like you “VOICE”", and much, much worse things. Why? Because I am not a crook, nor have I ever engaged in any illegal activity. I have never been arrested. So I will defend myself against these unwarranted, extremely hurtful lies and allegations.
Yes Dave, I have respected our arrangement, and have stayed away from your “special” thread, as have you. I did not agree however to you having five or six, or ten or twenty threads that I am not allowed to post on. I will defend myself against attacks, and I will post relevant links, etc on any thread I feel appropriate.
You do not govern FACTNet, and get to decide who posts what where. |
gatordave (gatordave)
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1825
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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You were first "VOiCE" to call me and others liars, over and over and over. The very first thing written by one of the young ladies was "you idiots" That's not respect. You tore into a basically simple story with innuendo twisted truth outright lies and insult. You likened me to a pig farmer that killed 60 women and strew there bobby parts all over several acres. You incessantly called into question my sanity. You pushed and you pushed with your gang of "cyberbullies" even to Christmas as you enjoyed your family, when I lost my family because of the same incessant, never-give-up-no-matter-what-evidence-is-presented-to-you pack of lies. I did not threaten to rape my wife. I did not try to kill her or any member of her family. I did not threaten nor assault her 20 year younger gigolo wealthy woman parasite. He assaulted me. And I did not hire a pig farmer to kill her. I did none of these things I was falsely accused of doing.
If a woman devotes herself to her husband and helped build a business over many years of long hours and he took up with a new employee 20 years younger and lied and put her in jail to get the entire businesses and the home and everything in it, is this the way you would treat her? Particular if her daughter, sexually abused by wealthy business owner committed suicide. You are so mean and vicious and you clog up all these threads with your sick postings.
A father is trying to locate his two boys taken out of Canada illegally somewhere in Texas I wanted to post his story here too. But what the hell is the use. When you sick lot get done on the thread it would only add to his torment.
You still pretend to not hear. I DID NOT SAY I GOVERN FACTNET AND GET TO DECIDE WHO POSTS HERE WHAT WHERE. I MADE A REQUEST. NOTHING MORE. I"M TELLING YOU AGAIN "KNOCK IT OFF!!!" |
gatordave (gatordave)
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1826
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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"ihavesinned" writes... Tits and Bljobs tear peoples families apart.
that is the greatest quote ever.
Well let me correct the context and you can have this thread you "won it."
The ignorance of writing over serious issues with comments of tits and bljobs, and tearing families apart for nothing more than fun is sick. What the hell is the matter with you people?
It's yours I'm out of here.
and voice "give it up" |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
Senior Member
Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 1184
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
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Guess we won't have gatordave to kick around anymore.... |
munchkin (munchkin)
Intermediate Member
Username: munchkin
Post Number: 473
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 5:50 pm: |
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dave maybe this thread woudln't have disintergrated how it did had you posted a better title, and not one so darn sexist. You really do bring alot of the attitude you get on yourslef, if you were a little nicer, and less agressive to people, then maybe theyd be nicer to you? I know you have troub;e with some who follow you around and make allegations fomr you past, which has to be hard, but if you had more friends here then it woud be easier, which you coudl get if you just let up on the attitude to those who disagree with you a little, and took some debating and critisism like all the rest of us do.
chin up, please you can alter how you are seen here, only you no one else.
good luck
becca xx |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
Senior Member
Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 1186
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
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Just a spoon full of sugaaaaaaar makes the medicine go down,
the medicine go down,
the medicing go down |
heartlander (heartlander)
New member
Username: heartlander
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 66.74.8.205
| | Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 6:00 am: |
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You all need prayer, plain and simple. |
viet_bong (viet_bong)
New member
Username: viet_bong
Post Number: 22
Registered: 2-2006
Posted From: 70.26.242.23
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so we cant drag our women to the kitchen sink kicking and screaming any more? news to me. |
gatordave
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1576
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 12:18 pm: |
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This thread began with the power of women to lie against men for asssault, rape, and threatening rape, unchallenged and unsubstanuated allowing police to arrest and jail them. NO PROOF REQUIRED!!!
This process can be used for any alterior motive, even to jail a "whistle blower" who tried to expose high profile people including police officers involved in the huge illegal pyamid fraud "Women Empowering Women." Then the thread degenerated into this nonsense.
dave www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 ..... we return calls toll free in North America and 22 countries...... we do what police refuse to do |
artwise_one
Member
Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 63
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 64.136.49.226
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Name of thread: 'Feminist brainwashing & dogma destroying decent women, families and men'.
"For too long, the issue of abuse has been viewed through the lens of radical feminist theory which sees battering as an instrument and an expression of patriarchal "power and control." However, this approach not only ignores "unconventional" victims—men abused by women, men and women abused in same-sex relationships—but distorts our understanding of male violence against women and thus makes it harder to find effective solutions."
"Suppose some conservative group tried to pass guidelines mandating that domestic violence programs subscribe to the belief that the cause of all abuse is godlessness. Most of us would see this as an outrageous imposition of religious dogma on public policy. Yet a lot of domestic violence programs today are based on the ideological dogma of patriarchy as the devil more than on fact or science."
The political money has translated into a stranglehold on the Democratic Party and sycophantic cheerleading for radical feminist politicians such as Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton & their clones. |
rachelengland
Senior Member
Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 1370
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 216.109.192.236
| | Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 7:47 am: |
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cky
Intermediate Member
Username: cky
Post Number: 163
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.112.33.116
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"Feminism is the radical notion that Feminist are people"
"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people"
Both of those bumperstickers are funny. |
rachelengland
Senior Member
Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 1415
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 216.109.192.236
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I do not consider myself a feminist really,just feminine with equal rights.. |
artwise_one
Member
Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 71
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 64.136.49.226
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"The bad news is that the Feminist Movement never realized that the mission has been accomplished. The women who want to become professionals--or do anything for that matter--can do it--including becoming wives and mothers if they choose. The war is won, but the Feminist Movement continues to battle (& rattle) on, oblivious to that fact." |
nolurkingonme
Junior Member
Username: nolurkingonme
Post Number: 30
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 69.85.147.239
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whooooooaaaaahhhhhh, there artwise. i thought you were answering my posts because you were a thinking person.
you needn't bother with me any longer. there is a certain female bashing genre of men in my neighborhood who give autonomous women such as myself a really hateful time.
then they turn around, and want to work for me, because they aren't autonomous. they hate me because they need my money to survive.
so, i don't need to hear from anyone who has gender issues at ALL, AND I MEAN AT ALL. please don't post anything to me because I won't respond.
if they didn't need me financially they wouldn't even be bothering with me, or talking about me. i know that from experience with other women in my neighborhood.
so if ya got a problem with the opposite sex, then don't make me a subject of your attention. |
artwise_one
Intermediate Member
Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 246
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 63.249.99.121
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This particular thread has been posted twice on this the FACTNet board and I've responded to this accusation before.
I'll be glad to say it again, I like women just fine, it's male bashing radical feminist that I don't care for. Most women aren't feminist and not all feminist are women.
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artwise_one
Intermediate Member
Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 247
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 63.249.99.121
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I like women just fine.
Radical Feminism is a set of political ideas which constantly portrays women as the victims. It's just more victim-ology, and on top of that, women according to Radical Victim feminism are always victimized by men.
I'm not apologizing for anything said about Radical Feminism, eventually people will make the distinction or they won't.
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artwise_one
Intermediate Member
Username: artwise_one
Post Number: 248
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 63.249.99.121
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Radical Feminism is the idea that women are people but MEN ARE NOT!
Even our friend PRS wrote :^) - "touchy point because it's easy to be misunderstood when I say that I'm for most of the changes feminists have struggled for, but I'm sick & tired of those extremists who use equal rights language to justify the burning resentment they have from all their bad experiences with men."
So, nolurkingonme, (or anyone else for that matter) when I said this thread is posted 2 times - The other one is on the Social Organizations board, read that one also. As for me, I've said my peace on the this touchy topic.
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