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     Worried Mom |
There is a cult in Northern California called Hrafnar http://hrafnar.org/ which is run by a science fiction author named Diana Paxson. They use witchcraft rituals to become posessed by spirits and demons and go into trances. From looking at their member's journals online, I have found that many of their members engage in polyamorous orgies and ritual masturbation and ritually use hallucinogenic drugs to enter these states of possession. My daughter has been brainwashed by this cult. She has not spoken to me in months, and when she did I felt that she was lying - she always asked for money and became livid when I asked her about the cult. This group has a huge presence on the internet and the priestesses pass down their orders by channelling various entities and posting the results online to the members who are spread all over the United States. Please pray for these lost souls and especially my daughter. I am praying that the Holy Ghost will possess them during their rituals and it will scare them from the cult and back to their familes. If anyone has any ideas on how I can get my daughter away from these people or knows anything about this cult please respond ! | ||
| Anonymous |
Wow worried mom, do you have an e-mail addres to reach you directly? I want to help. | ||
| Anonymous |
Don't give out you e-mail address, worried mom....better to post your concerns here anonymously.....anyway, I took a look at their website, and it's a cult, all right.. | ||
| Anonymous |
I looked on amazon.com for that author. You are right to be worried. Scientology started the exact same way, with L. Ron Hubbard's science fiction and self help books. I will pray for your daughter. | ||
| Anonymous |
Ok guys praying is all well and good but this woman obviously needs more than that to get her daughter away from this sick bunch. Any suggestions? If you're so against worried mom giving out her e-mail address then I'll give her mine first: ihavehadenuff@yahoo.com Sam | ||
| Anonymous |
I know what you're saying Sam - but the "bad guys" read these boards too and I am just advising against giving out any info. that could be traced back to an author. Fanatical cult members especially are on these boards like flies on shit and might very well intimidate those who post in opposition to their particular group. So, express yourself in this public space, but stay anonymous. This is a great forum, and gives one the opportunity to be heard by a large bunch of people. | ||
| Anonymous |
There is little you can do to get someone out of a cult short of kidnapping, and that only removes their body, but the mind is still attached to the group. Be patient, let your daughter know you love her, but be strong also - don't give her a penny more, and make sure she can't access your assets. It will take time, but somedy maybe she'll wake up and walk out of her own volition, and only then can she come back to you. These cult leaders are clever and will use every ruse they can to maintain their grip on power and control, and they will isolate your daughter from reality, convince her that her old friends and family are to be abandoned in favor of the new group, and that everything, both financial and emotional, is to be handed over to the leader. I've been there, I've done that, and it took me years to get over the anger of the mind fuck they did to me, not to mention the financial extortion and intimidation. I don't pray, because I don't trust organized religion either, but I hope for the best. Please post anytime you need support. | ||
| Worried Mom |
Hi everyone. Thanks for the feedback and support. Yesterday someone called and left a message on the machine. They were talking in a very strange voice that made my skin crawl. I think it was my daughter, but I'm not sure. She said she was "vodan" over and over. Then she started laughing and saying all these gibberish words in some wierd language and said she was going down to Hell before the answering machine cut her off. I was shaking so bad and crying hysterically. I got the number off the caller ID and it was in San Francisco. I called back and someone answered and when I asked for my daughter they hung up. I talked to a private investigator and we are trying to get involuntary commitment papers drawn up so we can get her away from those people. I don't even know if some here would consider them a cult because they don't take all their members money. But the members do go around getting others to join at different pagan conventions and in new age chat rooms online. This is how my daughter found them. When cult followers are committed to rehab or a psychiatric hospital do they snap out of it sometimes ? What about deprogramming programs that some churches offer ? Thanks, Worried Mom | ||
| Anonymous |
First of all, is your daughter a minor or is she of legal age? If she is a minor, go for it, get her out by whatever means necessary; if she is of legal age, then it's a bit more difficult. That website of theirs is totally wacko, but definitely in line with the lunatic fringies. It smacks not only of new ageism, but Teutonic master race crap. Just because they bleed some money, but not all of it from a follower, doesn't minimize their dangerous influence. As far as rehab in a psych ward, it's an individual thing. The process has to go in reverse to what was done to them in a cult, and sometimes that means sensory deprivation, othertimes withholding food or other comforts and necessities. I hope you have good legal counsel..also maybe the Cult Information Service, NOT the Cult Awareness Network, could help you. (The Cult Awareness Network was taken over by the Scientologists several years back and is now their mouthpiece). There is a book by Steve Hassan called "Combatting Cult Mind Control" which you might want to read to better understand what has happened to your daughter. Keep posting, worried mom, we're here for you.. | ||
| Anonymous |
worried mom i am a worried mom also. but the circumstances differ. please avoid church deprogramming services. and psych hospitals - if at all possible. the point as to whether or not your daughter is underage is a major one. if she is not there may be little that you can do. it is soooo awesome that you got a private investigator on the case. i applaud that. i too suggest contacting the Cult Infromation Service. and Hassan's book. my heart breaks for you. i will pray to whatever power of goodness exists in this world (i am non-affiliated with any religion or religious beliefs by choice) - that you get your daughter back, and that you both heal from this horror. take care of yourself. that much you can control. please seek some counseling (professional) for yourself - if you have not done so already. | ||
| Anonymous |
worried mom you are the one who needs to be committed.you dont know what you are talking about.your christian dogma repressive patriarchal sexual stagnation and religious intolerance is probably why she wont talk to you.i cannot believe that people in this day and age would even consider sensory deprivation or starvation on a supposed "loved one" because their spirituality is different than yours. we are not a cult. i will be calling Diana after i write this and i bet she knows who you are.i hope you have a very good attorney. | ||
| Anonymous |
Cult apologists don't like the word "cult." She has done nothing illegal, so your threats are hollow. If it's not a cult, why are you on a "cult" forum ? Are you interested in helping people escape from cults or are you making sure no one escapes from YOUR cult ? We're all ears. | ||
| Anonymous |
Anonymous 11:17 - well that certainly was a mass of verbiage that you probably don't even comprehend, which you threw it out in defense of your leader Diana. By all means contact her...Your threats of legal action ring hollow. I for one am not a christian nor am I affiliated with any religious group, but having been in a cult at one time, I know the signs. The dogma cults spout are pure bs and are meant to be self-serving. So prattle on about your so-called religion, but I for one understand that glassy-eyed fanaticism and will speak against your group or any other group that enslaves body, mind, and soul. | ||
| Anonymous |
Mother prays that the "holy ghost" will enter their spirits at their gatherings? Please! No wonder this young woman is looking for something in a cult......no doubt her initial introduction to cultism was through her family of origin's religion. Religion is cultism. Pick your poison....it's all the same.....just different rituals. | ||
| Anonymous |
I agree anonymous 04:18 - religion is a cult, and it's especially true of the fundamentalist versions of all religions. So, worried mom, don't try and get your daughter into church based deprogramming, it is substituting one dogma for another. It doesn't work in the long run anyway. | ||
| Anonymous |
insults are never productive. kindness is. | ||
| Anonymous |
The truth isn't necessarily an insult. Sometimes kindness is mistaken for the truth but is not. | ||
| Anonymous |
Worried Mom, I think you are mistaken. Yes they are a little wierd, but they hardly merit being considered a cult. I have argued with some of their members over religious issues and know a lot about them. I think I can safely say they are not involved with any of the things your daughter is doing. Are you worried more about your daughter's personal misbehavior (drugs, lying, sex, alienating her family, whatever)or the fact that she is not following an Abrahamic religion ? I think if you act a little more tolerant and less judgemental of her religion, you'll be more likely to have some kind of relationship with her and helping her through her personal problems. If she is a minor you need to call the police. | ||
| Cipriano Karp |
To worry mom, I am in the same situatión, but I know the name of the leader of the group that is exploiting my daughter.He is a pervert catholic priest , he is belgium and he recruited my child in Peru, south america.My child is an american girl but the American Consulate does not care because this priest is powerful in Peru. Dear Mom, lets get together and fight for legislation there are many parents in our situation but we are disperse,if we get together we can get senators to back us , everything is power and they need our votes. write to me , I am fighting for my daughter here in this discusting country and I am being charge with false denounce by the corrupt goverment. We need to get together, write to me, I will not give up. ciprianokarp@yahoo.com.es | ||
| Roger S (63.73.213.5) |
ANALYSIS The Agenda of Islam - A War between Civilizations Professor Moshe S - Wednesday 24th Dec 2003 The war has started a long time ago between two civilizations - between the civilization based on the Bible (and non-Moslem faiths) and between the civilization based on the Koran. And this must be clear. There is no fundamental Islam. "Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted. All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic. The Language of Islam You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam. Driving Principles of Islam Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one God. But it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem. But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations with rules of behavior. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible. The Bible Let me explain the difference. The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways. In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible. The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other. But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that God looks after each individual, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation. Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honoring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals. The Essence of Islam Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world. Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sings, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions." The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam. When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day. Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Moslems. Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangeline or Gospel - namely the New Testament. The Bible vs. the Koran Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran? Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for now]. Nevertheless, the laws a very clear - Jews and Christians have no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under Islamic rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for them. Islamic Rule and Jihad What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad. Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians. A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the world by bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia were no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet. Two Houses The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world, which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the other part, which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of wars which as to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule. This is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all other religions. Islamic Law Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict. In fundamentals, there are no differences between schools of law. However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war. There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed in war. These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The Hanbali School of law is extremely strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist powers. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed. Islam and Territory This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic. This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important. The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created. Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important - this is an eternal word between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This was is there because Allah created it. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end. Islam and Peace Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem. With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins. The two civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel. Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and civilization signed this. A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did." Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext. Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent, which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years. Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement]. In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms. Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too strong. It is a tactical choice. Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg. When western policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of politics." Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt about that. Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years since the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea, the deterrent power. Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization. What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India? Pakistan was formed to create an Islamic state, which by itself indicates that Pakistanis who were earlier Indian Moslems are not democratic and secular. India is a great country, which has seen waves of Moslem invasion and killings in the name of Islam. It is very interesting to note that India in its over 5000 years of history and civilization has never invaded any country. All Indians in Kashmir valley were Hindus and Buddhists. It was the mughals who forcefully converted most people to Islam or gave them the option of death. Even today, the original inhabitants of the Kashmir called “ Pundits or Brahmins” are being subjected to ethnic cleansing by the Pakistan based jihad outfits to make Kashmir a Moslem majority state and then grab the area in the name of Islam. In fact, most Moslems in India were all forcefully converted Moslems. History has proved time and again that Islam has been destructive and intolerant towards all other religions. Look at the way the Taliban blew up some statues of Buddha, which are even older than the Islam religion itself and has great historical, cultural, and artistic value. Islamic Infiltration Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but there's also war by infiltration (and immigration in modern terms). Infiltrating and then proliferation of their community by producing more number of children (even if the family is poor and unable to support more than a kid) and becoming a majority in a particular State or region. Then forming a separatist movement and declaring jihad against the same country, which gave them an opportunity to live a better life, to make the region/state an Islamic State. This is the way it works to fulfil their agenda of converting this whole world into an Islamic World. One of the things, which the western world is not paying enough attention to, is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world. What happened in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely in an atomic war - inside the U.S. End of Days It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days. In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth. Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision. I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory. Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and the Christians’ll replace them. The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. They Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam. Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War? The question, which we in Israel are asking ourselves, is what will happen to our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war? The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet. But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Jews took Islamic territory away from Islam. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is anathema. And (this is the worse) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems. I believe that Western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual Christians who see this as the road to salvation | ||
| Anonymous (81.86.199.159) |
I hope worried mum and others in a similar situation have had some positive news since then. There is a great book that I have called "Combatting Cult Mind Control" by Steven Hassan. It explains mind control techniques and gives good advice for parents as to how to approach the situation. The author was involved in the Moonies but he writes from a broad perspective. Either way, good luck. | ||
| sharma (202.56.224.116) |
Magi are referred in Bible as "Gift of Magi " also. Magi means the wise man. The ancient relegion of Persia was Zorostrian and Magi were thair priests. God Mithra (Sun God) was worshiped that time. These Magi were astronomer also. In Mahabharata (a Hindu epic) it is stated that Lord Krisna had a son "Samb". He was suffering from Leprocy. That's why Krishna called special Brahmin of Shakdvip (Belived that present Iran). They were Sun worshipers and famous astronomer. They treated Samb and freed him from Leprocy. We are Shakdvipiya Brahmin originated from those Shakdvip origin Brahmins and also called Magi Brahmin. We are specialized in Ayurveda(old Indian method of treatment) and astronomy, astrology and we are Sun worshiper. I found some text where it is shown that Those special Brahmin brought in India by Krishna were MAGIs. I hope that they were our forefathers. Can anybody give me more information about this relationship? visit www.sakaldwipi.com | ||
| killerqueen (killerqueen) New member Username: killerqueen Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 205.188.117.12 |
Dear worried mom..i am in a similar situation as you. my daughter is not brainwashed by a cult but by her b/f...she moved out of my house 6 months ago and into his with his family and parents and would not speak to me..when i went to their house looking for her they called the cops on me saying i was threatening when i never even met these ppl...so after that i let her be for 2 months then i finally contacted her and she said that i dont care about her or love her and that she refuses to see me or anyone in her family even her siblings which are younger than her..also besides cutting herself off from family shes cut herself from friends. the last time we spoke which was 3 months ago she refused to see us and said if she did he had to come..at first i dident agree but decided to call her bluff so i said fine you can bring him and then her next excuse was no im not coming bcz i need to heal from you and the time is not right and she had no idea when it would be right so we ended up hanging up mad and have not spoken since...besides his family and him she has no contact with anyone else..before he came into her life she was very close to me and her friends..im at my wits end and do not know what to do..can someone please give me some sort of advice or atleast can i find someone out there in this similar situation for moral support...i feel im losing it latley bcz this is my daughter my flesh and blood and i want my daughter back...please help...thank you. | ||
| worriedsickmom (worriedsickmom) New member Username: worriedsickmom Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 205.188.117.12 |
OK, THIS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME.MY DAUGHTER WAS A VICTIM OF CHILD ABUSE WHEN SHE WAS 2 BY HER OWN FATHER, HE WAS A SCUMBAG AND DESTROYED MY DAUGHTER.SHE HAS HAD PROBLEMS ALL HER LIFE, BUT WAS REALLY ON A GOOD TRACK THE PAST YEAR.SHE IS NOW 19 AND WE HAVE LOST HER FOR GOOD.WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THIS "CULT" CALL THEMSELF AND I DONT KNOW HOW TO INVESTIGATE THIS SO ANY HELP, I AM DESPERATE TO HELP GET MY DAUGHTER, MY ONLY DAUGHTER BACK.SHE WAS UP IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL , BECAUSE SHE IS BIPOLAR AND WAS HAVING PROBLEMS.WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING, HOWEVER AS DAYS WENT BY, MY DAUGHTER WOULDNT TALK TO US, SHE WOULDNT ACCEPT OUR VISITS, IT WAS VERY ODD.WE HAD A MEETING, MY NEW HUSBAND, NOT THE ABUSER, WITH MY DAUGHTERS DR, MY DAUGHTER, MYSELF.IT WAS A GREAT MEETING, SHE WAS COMING HOME AND WE WOULD HELP HER SAVE HER MONEY TO GET HER OWN PLACE TO GAIN THE FREEDOM SHE WANTED.BEFORE WE KNEW IT, SHE THREATENED SUICIDE THE DAY BEFORE SHE WAS TO COME HOME.HER DR. TOLD US THAT THERE WAS NO MORE THEY COULD DO FOR HER, THAT SHE WAS MANIPULATING HER & THE HOSPITAL TO STAY.AND THEY WOULD TRANSFER HER TO ANOTHER FACILITY.THEY DID, MY DAUGHTER CUT OFF ALL TIES TO US.WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THESE HOSPITALS & RECRUIT THE KIDS, PROMISE THEM THE WORLD, MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THE PARENTS ARE THE BAD ONES AND TO COME LIVE WITH US.MY DAUGHTER DID THIS.SHE MOVED INTO THIS LADYS HOUSE & HERE IS THE MIND CONTROL.THEY WANTED HER TO GET ALL HER STUFF THAT IS WORTH ANYTHING, FROM OUR HOME.SHE WANTED A PUPPY THEY BOUGHT HER ONE, ENTICED HER WITH A JACUZZI, BUT HERES WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO.THEY RECRUIT THESE KIDS AWAY FROM THE FAMILY, GET THEM ON WELFARE AND/OR DISABILITY, AND THEN THEY HAND OVER THEIR CHECKS TO THE MAIN PERSON.THEY ARE SCAMMING THE INSURANCE BY ACTING LIKE THEY ARE CRAZY, GO UP TO THE MENTAL HOSPITALS EVERY SO OFETEN AND DO SO TO COLLECT THEIR MONTHLY CHECKS.THEY ENTICE THE KIDS THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO WORK, THAT THEY CAN COLLECT THIS MONEY AND SLEEP AS LATE AS THEY WANT, GO WHERE THEY WANT AS LONG AS THERES NO CONTACT TO THE FAMILY.OUR DR TOLD US IF WE MAKE TROUBLE FOR THEM, THEY WILL MOVE HER.AND THEY HAVE.I CALLED THE HOSPITAL WHERE SHE WAS & INFORMED HEM OF WHAT GOES ON, THEY HAD THE NERVE TO TELL ME THEY KNOW THIS BUT THEY CANT POSSIBLY HAVE THEIR STAFF WATCH THEM EVERY SINGLE MINUTE.I SAID WHAT ABOUT YOUR RULES, HE WOULDNT SAY MUCH THEN. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS AND NEED HELP FROM ASNYONE OUT THERE HOW I CAN GET HER BACK AND HAVE HER DEBRIEFED. THIS IS MY ONLY DAUGHTER, PLEASE ONLY SERIOUS HELP RESPOND.THIS IS A LIFE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I AM HERE IN CHICAGO.THANKS | ||
| anothermouse New member Username: anothermouse Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 196.209.251.3 |
Worried Mom: perhaps this link can be of use to you. You know in your heart what's right - ignore the other stuff. God hears your prayers. http://wellspringretreat.org/index.php |
