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lexie_67 (lexie_67)
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Username: lexie_67
Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 209.214.50.24
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 3:59 pm: | 
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I keep hearing conflicting stories,,,, any thoughts? |
solopilot (solopilot)
Intermediate Member
Username: solopilot
Post Number: 162
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 216.190.204.218
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 4:57 pm: |
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Yes, there were, some have been found -- just ignored by those who keep saying there weren't any in the first place. |
carlota (carlota)
Junior Member
Username: carlota
Post Number: 27
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 24.168.6.115
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 12:04 pm: |
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Hi Lexie_67
This is a good place to look for answers on that topic:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/
An interesting question that goes along with yours is whether or not the U.S. has weapons of mass destruction. And the answer is that we do. We are the only country who has actually used nuclear weapons and we ask that other nations stop proliferating their weapons. Hmmmm. Seems a little hypocritical. |
solopilot (solopilot)
Intermediate Member
Username: solopilot
Post Number: 180
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 216.190.204.218
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 1:31 am: |
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Carlota:
If you burn your hands in a fire, is it hypocritical to warn others to keep away from the flames? |
carlota (carlota)
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Username: carlota
Post Number: 34
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 24.193.36.136
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 1:00 pm: |
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Hello Solopilot,
So, we meet again....
In answer to your question: No, it is not at all hypocritical to warn others to keep away from the flames.
I have included a link that provides facts on the U.S. and proliferation or nuclear weapons and other WMDs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_nuclear_weapons
While I know that the U.S. has done much to "warn" other countries and that work is admirable I still believe there is much to be done. I am not really qualified to comment to much on this subject, as my knowledge is pretty limited. I would like to see the U.S. get rid off all it's nuclear weapons. I think that would be the best example they could set for rogue nations. It might prove to be the best way to prevent further proliferation. I could be wrong but, it simply does not seem fair to ask others nations to get rid of their WMDs while we continue to hold on to and every now and then test our own. That I find hypocritical, not the warning part.
Also, I believe the reasons for going to war with Iraq went beyond simply suspecting that Saddam Hussien was stock piling or making WMDs. If that were the case, and that alone the same logic would lead us to start a war with North Korea. Well, it is a complex issue. I do not claim to have the answers on it by any means, but it is worthy of discussion.
It is normal and healthy to question our government's intentions in while engaged in foreign conflicts and wars.
The link I have listed here is good for a comprehensive view of all countries and their relations with WMDs. It is informative. |
solopilot (solopilot)
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Username: solopilot
Post Number: 203
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 216.190.204.218
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 12:19 am: |
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I wish that the US could get rid of its nukes also.
Unfortunately, this is impractical, you can't unpop corn and anyone who wants to know can easily find out how to make a nuclear weapon.
OTOH, if anyone has to have them, we should. We've done pretty well as a superpower. Our nukes ended a war, and have prevented others. |
carlota (carlota)
Junior Member
Username: carlota
Post Number: 42
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 24.193.36.136
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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Hello Solopilot,
I am glad we agree at least on the wish to be rid of nukes.
As "perfect world" as it may be of me to say so, I actually think the U.S. could do without having nuclear weapons or WMDs. It would be a bold move, but it would set an great example. I know it is extremely idealistic, but I can dream.
Yes, our nuclear weapons did end a war, but also, proved to the rest of the world that nuclear weapons were far too cruel to be used again. The war could have ended differently and without so much destruction.
By having weapons of Mass Destruction the U.S. makes a statement to the world that while we do not use them....we could...so watch out. Kind of bullyish.
I'd rather the U.S. be a super power because our democratic system works and economically we are sound and thriving. However, that is not quite the case. Our democracy has been troubled at best and we are not quite thriving economically. We sure are tough though.
Something to think about. |
carlota (carlota)
Junior Member
Username: carlota
Post Number: 44
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 24.193.36.136
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 5:02 pm: |
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The search for WMDs officially ended today and none were found. |
solopilot (solopilot)
Intermediate Member
Username: solopilot
Post Number: 228
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 216.190.204.218
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:23 pm: |
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Carlota:
We did without nukes, but developed them when our enemies were.
The problem with beating your swords into plowshares is that you end up plowing for the people who didn't. If our enemies had nukes and we didn't . . .well, I think that the world was a lot better off when we were the only country with nukes than if just about anyone else had been the only country with nukes.
A lot of Allied troops AND JAPANESE CIVILIANS didn't die in 1945 and 1946 because we used the two nukes. The total of confirmed dead in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined were fewer than those from the battle of Gettysburg, so imagine what the numbers would have been in Allied troops had had to overrun Japan town by town.
Worse than the nukes were the firebomb attacks, which destroyed towns just as effectively as the nukes did. The Allies had air superiority, and the plan was to burn the Home Islands from one end to the other until the Japanese gave up.
By hitting hard, twice, and implying that there were more on the way, the Allies forced the Japanese to see that their only option of survival as a race was immediate and unconditional surrender. The war ended within the week!
We don't have a democracy, we never were supposed to. The United States is a REPUBLIC, we elect people to decide things for us rather than making the choices directly.
It isn't quite accurate to say that none were found. There were several improvised munitions found which included WMD components, which had been missed by Hans ("Ignorance S.") Blix. |
ohwretchedmanthatiam (ohwretchedmanthatiam)
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Username: ohwretchedmanthatiam
Post Number: 32
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 24.237.118.44
| | Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
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What if this is all artificial idiocy, i.e. no intelligence in it at all. So we run around in program loops discussing information tracked by machines with no intention of ever doing anything good to us.
We see the harlot in the Bible runs around the world on schedule to bring about changes in Israel so they can build the temple and begin sacrifices once again.
If we sell nukes or atomic bombs, i.e. "nukem!" LOL the movie of long ago had a similar pun with a board game and an add on the t.v. The irony is when you go to sell the nukes, the principalities and powers of corruption rear their ugly head to reveal they are listening in illegally to families, using children as extortion tools for prostitution and drug dealing, this is our government. They harass anyone who exposes the truth.
They used atomic bombs not nukes on Japan, only 10 megaton or so, small by comparison. But they still have the kodac moment, flash! smile yer on candid gvt monitoring camera, what a bunch of hippocrites who work for bubbha. LOL
The stupidity of the gvt. that is corrupt monitoring people is the corrupt principalities never can tell the truth. They know it and they have taken a vow to follow bubbha so they can only tell lies. That is the weapon of mass destruction which is in place taking it's toll since the garden of eden. Put one temptation after another, all based upon taking you further and further away from being able to speak the simple truth.
If the media tells only lies it is serving a weapon of mass destruction, deceiving and being deceived, waxing worse and worse. KJ 2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. I think the old addage goes "give them enough rope to hang themselves" which lacks rebuking them for their own sake and allowing them to go knowingly into perdition with man made self righteousness in pride to allow it to happen.
Keeping peoples minds focused on worldly concerns, and stirring up strife with delight in watching others suffer is a sign of a weapon of mass destruction. KJ 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Oh well they were given a program to prevent their own perdition, the offer was made long ago. 2000 years of stubborn pride and stiff necks.
Jesus/GOD Bless those who escape the media run arounds and program loops of artificial idiocy on radio, t.v., internet and in person. LOL |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 88
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 7:46 pm: |
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WMD is a term coined by the Bush administration. This re-definition places weapons that can be made in your kitchen in the same category as nuclear weapons. By the Rumsveld definition, any country in posession of ammonia and chlorine has the potential to manufacture WMD. While Iraq probably had these chemicals, they had no way of getting them to the U.S. and were not significant threat to us.
Saddams paranoia and ideological opposition to islamic fundamentalists would almost guarantee that he would never give these weapons to a group like Al Quaeda. Bin Laden and his followers would most likely consider saddam and his sons infidels and use the weapons against them. |
osirus (osirus)
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Username: osirus
Post Number: 83
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 137.3.122.49
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 10:39 pm: |
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Its a know fact that Osama bin laden hated Sadam. When Sadam invaded Kuwait in 1990, he was willing to go to war for them. |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 95
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:28 pm: |
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Dubya will give a speach tonight to try and connect Iraq to 9-11, again. I think more and more americans are starting to realize this is bogus. Clinton finally came out and sd it's a quagmire. |
inkorrekt (inkorrekt)
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 58
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 198.243.2.253
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 8:13 pm: |
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CARLOTA WRITES:The search for WMDs officially ended today and none were found""".
DO YOU KNOW WHY? 3 SENATORS(MCDERMOT, AND 2 MORE) WENT TO IRAQ BEFORE WE INVADED, AND ADVISED SADDAM HUSSEIN TO EITHER BURY THE WMD'S OR SEND THEM TO SYRIA. SADDAM FOLLOWED THEIR ADVISE. LAST YEAR, WE ALSO FOUND 1.7 MILLION TON OF URANIUM. IF THIS IS NOT TO BE USED FOR WMD, WHAT IS IT THEN? BESIDED THIS, THEY ALSO DISCOVERED "RICIN", A VERY POWERFUL BRAIN TOXIN. THIS WAS NEVER REPORTED HERE.
ALL THE DEMOCRATS ARE ATTACKING BUSH OVER THIS KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESSMEN HELPED SADDAM TO MOVE AND HIDE THE WMD'S. IS THIS A SETUP TO BRING DOWN BUSH? WELL THE DEMOC"rats" HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THEIR OWWN SINS WILL FIND THEM OUT. THIS MEANS THEY BETTER GET READY FOR A BIG, BIG "BACKFIRE" |
am2 (am2)
Intermediate Member
Username: am2
Post Number: 354
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 137.3.122.49
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 9:20 pm: |
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lets see some sources for your propeganda. You do reaqlize that Bush Sr, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney did busines with him (sadam) and sold him arms? |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
Senior Member
Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 1191
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 10:30 am: |
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Why have these treasonous democratic sentors not been tried under provisions of the patriot act?
Maybe because this is bogus information. Even Rush wouldn't say something so outrageous. But it is well known that Rumsfeld oversaw the sale of weapons to Saddam in the '80s.
http://www.concreteutopia.com/mt/archives/saddam_rumsfeld.jpg |
am2 (am2)
Intermediate Member
Username: am2
Post Number: 360
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 137.3.122.49
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 3:32 pm: |
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I know where the weapons were, up George Bush's @$$ |
ultimate1 (ultimate1)
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Username: ultimate1
Post Number: 417
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 67.175.31.119
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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Latest proof of hiding weapons in Iraq
Thu Feb 16, 2:54 AM
NEW YORK
ABC News reported Wednesday, citing 12 hours of tapes the network obtained of the former Iraqi dictator's talks with his Cabinet.
One of Saddam's son-in-laws explained how Iraq hid its biological weapons programs from U.N. inspectors, according to the tapes from August 1995.
ABC News said the CIA found the tapes in Iraq and that the 12 hours were provided to it by Bill Tierney, a former member of a U.N. inspection team who was translating them for the FBI. |
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