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Anonymous
Posted on Friday, March 08, 2002 - 9:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html asks this question:

"Is terrorism inside the United States really from outside, or is it a stage managed production, designed to cause Americans to believe they have no choice but to surrender the Republic and accept the totalitarian rule of a new emperor, or a new Fuhrer?"
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Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 1:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Where Fear Is Always on Sale—and the Truth Is Made to Order
Bush's Little Shop of Horrors
by Geoffrey Gray

^^^^^"Everything has changed," says Susan, 39, from her home near the Pentagon. "We don't feel secure anymore."

^^^^^Susan and those like her suffer from Acute Prolonged Stress Syndrome, according to Dr. Rona Fields, a Washington, D.C., psychologist who specializes in trauma and terrorism. The cause is uncertainty. A feeling of helplessness. Inability to control the future. The resulting symptoms of fear and anxiety are more common these days, according to Dr. Fields, who attributes them in large part to the constant, occasionally confusing terror alerts issued by the FBI.

^^^^^"It's a vicious cycle," she says. "We're put on a state of alert, like we're given an electric shock, but we're not given any way to reduce the pain."

The FBI, so far, has issued a lot of shocks. Since September 11, there have been, count 'em, 43 terrorism alerts, according to the Bureau. Some have shaken more nerves than others. In December, Ashcroft told the country to be on "high alert" until early March, after the Olympics. But before the closing ceremonies, the FBI called for "the highest state of alert," reminding citizens to be vigilant and releasing 13 fuzzy photos of men with dark skin and long last names. After so many vague alerts, many based on uncorroborated evidence, it's fair to ask, What's the point? Why spook a country that's already spooked?

^^^^^"It's second nature for any system of power to try and inspire fear," Noam Chomsky, the noted linguist and author of 9-11, tells the Voice. "Bush's managers realize they only have one card to play. Would you direct him to focus the attention of the population on tax cuts or other gifts for the rich? Or on the Enron scandal, or the deliberate destruction of a decent environment for our grandchildren? Or would it be preferable to construct the image of a noble hero driving evil from the world while the population huddles in fear of monsters from whom our dauntless savior will rescue us? No choice."

^^^^^In 1948, Truman oversaw a secret and unusual study, Project East River, which looked into ways of using paranoia to control behavior. The results, according to political scientist Andrew Grossman, who uncovered reams of information for his book, Neither Dead nor Red, were simple.

"Fear is good, panic is bad," Grossman says. "The Project found that fear could be used—channeled—to mobilize the people and push Cold War policy. With panic, however, they figured the shoe might fall off."

etc......http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0210/gray.php
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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This site attempts to show that a Boeing never hit the Pentagon : http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

This is the official footage released by the Pentagon: http://www.msnbc.com/news/720851.asp?cp1=1 .
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Google cache of the article at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html that is now offline: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:MzBYCJMKWMcC:www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/+&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1
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Was the White House attacked by a drone aircraft with a dead pilot?
Joe Vialls, January 2002

According to the mainstream media, at about 2300 hrs on 11 September 1994, Frank Eugene Corder stole a single-engine Cessna 150L plane from an airport north of Baltimore, then headed south to Washington, flying over the National Zoological Park and down to the Mall, probably using the Washington Monument as a beacon. As he neared the famed obelisk, he banked a tight U-turn over the Ellipse, came in low over the White House South Lawn, clipped a hedge, skidded across the green lawn that girds the South Portico and crashed into a wall two stories below the presidential bedroom.
Unfortunately, there are huge problems with this glib media account of what was, in reality, the first known deliberate air attack on a major building in America. Corder had no obvious motive for the crime, and although his wife had died some weeks before from cancer, Frank was getting on with life as best he could. He was building a small kit aircraft of his own at the same airport the Cessna 150L was stolen from, and frequently worked alone at night on his pet project, making him the perfect target of opportunity for anyone needing a pilot, dead or alive.
Immediately after the crash, intelligence sources concurred that the flight was most probably flown as a “Proof of Concept”, designed to thoroughly test Washington’s air defenses and expose possible flaws. If the Cessna 150L managed to strike the White House wall directly, the concept would be considered proven, perhaps paving the way for later attacks using heavier aircraft loaded with munitions. In this respect the flight was a complete success.

Rest of story at http://geocities.com/roboplanes/cessna.html
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us terrorist attacks: the best enemies money can buy
by Michael C. Ruppert (mruppert@copvcia.com) - October 14, 2001

Author's Note: © Copyright 2001. All Rights Reserved, Michael C. Ruppert and From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. May be reprinted or distributed for non-profit purposes only.


The Best Enemies Money Can Buy

From Hitler To Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden – Insider Connections and the Bush Family's Partnership with Killers of Americans

Brown Brothers, Harriman - BNL- and the Carlyle Group

FTW, Oct. 9, 2001 - Since the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, major media powerhouses and the increasingly influential alternative media alike have begun to focus attention on Bush family connections and a long history of arming and financing America's attackers in the months and years prior to the outbreak of war. Recent stories in the Wall Street Journal (Sept. 27 & 28, 2001), ABC News (Oct. 1, 2001), as well as a host of reports from so-called alternative news sources have begun to focus attention on the Bush family's profit-making role in creating and arming our enemies.

The following is a more comprehensive look at the documented history of these relationships that will also open some new avenues of inquiry for the press, Congress and the American people.

In a world now filled with biowarfare agents, backpack nuclear devices, and chemical weapons like Sarin gas -- where there are people in many countries with reasons to oppose the United States -- the Bush Administration is following predictable strategies in a way that redefines the concept of brinksmanship. Human survival may depend upon the will and the ability of both the Congress and the press to focus on these relationships and to take appropriate action. Moreover – and I am not the first to say this – if a national security priority is to seize the financial assets of those who support terrorists, then perhaps we should start right here at home.

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Adolph Hitler

Meticulous research, including U.S. government records from the era, along with contemporaneous news stories from the New York Times and other papers is presented in the 1992 book entitled, "George Bush, The Unauthorized Biography" by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, published by The Executive Intelligence Review. The following is sourced entirely from Chapter II of this essential work. [Note: Although FTW does not always agree with conclusions reached by the Executive Intelligence Review, or its founder Lyndon La Rouche, we have never found a single flaw in any of their factual research. History is history, no matter who presents it. And this history is essential to understanding our era.]

George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, Harriman from the 1920s through the 1940s. It was Brown Brothers, in conjunction with Averell Harriman, the Rockefeller family, Standard Oil, the DuPonts, the Morgans and the Fords who served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler's rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line, Nazi banker Fritz Thyssen (pronounced Tee-sen), Standard Oil of Germany, The German Steel Trust (founded by Dillon Read founder, Clarence Dillon), and I.G. Farben, used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests. The profits from those investments came back to Bush allies on Wall Street. Thyssen is universally regarded as having been Hitler's private banker and ultimate owner of the Union Bank Corporation.


Early support for Hitler came from Prescott Bush through the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line -- also funded by Brown Bothers -- that funneled large sums of money and weapons to Hitler's storm troopers in the 1920s.

According to Tarpley and Chaitkin, "In May 1933, just after the Hitler regime was consolidated, an agreement was reached in Berlin for the coordination of all Nazi commerce with the U.S.A. The Harriman International Company . . . was to head a syndicate of 150 firms and individuals, to conduct all exports from Hitler Germany to the United States."

Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:

· 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
· 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
· 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
· 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
· 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
· 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
· 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives

The business relationships established by Bush in 1923 continued even after the war started until they became so offensive and overt as to warrant seizure by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942.

In 1942, "Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares . . .

". . . all of which shares are held for the benefit of . . . members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals . . . of a designated enemy country."

"On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation."

"Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father in law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942 . . ." These seizures of Bush businesses were reported in a number of American papers including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.

Prescott Bush went on to become an influential Republican Senator from Connecticut who went on to be a regular golfing partner of President Dwight Eisenhower. His attorneys were the lawyers John Foster and Allen Dulles, the later became the CIA Director under Eisenhower.

Saddam Hussein

After becoming President in January 1989, Prescott Bush's son, George Herbert Walker Bush – father of our current President – authorized a series of programs that not only armed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein but also provided him with technology that assisted in his development of chemical weapons like Sarin gas, and biological weapons, which he still possesses. Apologists for Bush (the elder) say that, after the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s left the region unstable, he was just trying to establish a new balance of power. Not so. Bush directives and policies, including relationships with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), and the Banca Nacional del Lavoro (BNL) were directly and deliberately responsible for creating the army the U.S. fought in 1991.

A story by Russ W. Baker, in the March/April issue the Colombia Journalism Review (CJR), provided the most compelling overview of Iraqgate that I have seen.

"ABC News Nightline opened last June 9 with words to make the heart stop 'It is becoming increasingly clear,' said a grave Ted Koppel, 'that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy . . .

"Why, then, have some of our top papers provided so little coverage?" Baker poignantly asks.

"The result: readers who neither grasp nor care about the facts behind facile imagery like The Butcher of Baghdad and Operation Desert Storm. In particular, readers who do not follow the story of the Banca Nacional del Lavoro, which apparently served as a paymaster for Saddam's arms buildup, and thus became a player in the largest bank-fraud case in U.S. history.

"Complex, challenging, mind-boggling stories (from Iran-Contra to the S&L crisis to BCCI) increasingly define our times: yet we don't appear to be getting any better at telling them . . .

"Much of what Saddam received from the West was not arms per se, but so-called dual-use technology -- ultra sophisticated computers, armored ambulances, helicopters, chemicals, and the like, with potential civilian uses as well as military applications. We've learned that a vast network of companies, based in the U.S. and abroad, eagerly fed the Iraqi war machine right up until August 1990, when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

"And we've learned that the obscure Atlanta Branch of Italy's largest bank, Banca Nacional del Lavoro, relying partly on U.S. taxpayer-guaranteed loans, funneled $5 billion to Iraq from 1985 to 1989. Some government-backed loans were supposed to be for agricultural purposes, but were used to facilitate the purchase of stronger stuff than wheat. Federal Reserve and Agriculture department memos warned of suspected abuses by Iraq, which apparently took advantage of the loans to free up funds for munitions. U.S. taxpayers have been left holding the bag for what looks like $2 billion in defaulted loans to Iraq.

". . . In fact, we now know that in February 1990, then Attorney General Dick Thornburgh [appointed by George H.W. Bush] blocked U.S. investigators from traveling to Rome and Istanbul to pursue the case . . .

" . . . As New York Times columnist William Safire argued last December 7, 'Iraqgate is uniquely horrendous: a scandal about the Systematic abuse of power by misguided leaders of three democratic nations [The U.S., Britain, and Italy] to secretly finance the arms buildup of a dictator.'"

While Democrat Henry Gonzales, Chairman of the House Banking Committee during the period, stood as the lone voice from the wilderness in raising alarms about Bush's obvious corruption, the rest of the Congress sheepishly ignored all the signs demanding immediate action. Gonzales' voice reportedly fell silent after his empty car was machine-gunned in a Washington suburb in what passed for a drive-by shooting.

The CJR continues: "Meanwhile, The Village Voice published a major investigation by free-lancer Murray Waas in its December 18, 1990 issue . . . 'That American troops could be killed or maimed because of a covert decision to arm Iraq,' Waas wrote, 'is the most serious consequence of a U.S. foreign policy formulated and executed in secret, without the advice and consent of the American public . . .'"

The L.A. Times, on Feb 23, 1992, dug deep enough to find secret National Security Decision Directives by the Bush Administration in 1989 ordering closer ties with Baghdad and paving the way for $1 billion in new aid. The Times' series, co-authored with Waas, emphasized that, "buried deep in a 1991 Washington Press piece – that Secretary of State James Baker, after meeting with Iraqi foreign minister Tariq Aziz in October 1989, intervened personally to support U.S. government loans guarantees to Iraq."

Baker's CJR report also noted, "On October 3, the [Wall Street] Journal reported [BNL official Christopher] Drogoul's assertion that the director general of Iraq's Ministry of Industry and Military Production had told him, 'We are all in this together. The intelligence service of the U.S. government works very closely with the intelligence service of the Iraqi government.' Three weeks later, the Journal reported that [Henry] Gonzales 'produced a phone-book-sized packet of documents' showing the involvement of U.S. exporting firms . . . The documents mentioned one . . . which designed parts for Iraq’s howitzers and was financed through BNL . . ."

In the wake of highly suspicious anthrax outbreaks in Florida, just miles from where several of the WTC suicides pilots trained, we add one final note. In his 1998 book "Bringing the War Home" author William Thomas writes, "Under that same [weapons transfer] program, 19 containers of Anthrax bacteria were supplied to Iraq in 1988 by the American Type Culture Collection company, located near Fort Detrick, MD, the site of the US Army's high security germ warfare labs."

The Carlyle Group, the Bushes and bin Laden

The warnings about the Carlyle Group, the nation's 11th largest defense contractor, and the Bushes came long before the World Trade Center attacks. The Carlyle Group is a closely held corporation, exempt, for that reason, from reporting its affairs to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Little is known of what it actually does except that it buys and sells defense contractors. As of October 4, 2001, it has removed its corporate web site from the World Wide Web making further investigation through that channel impossible. Its Directors include Frank Carlucci, former Reagan Secretary of Defense; James Baker, former Bush Secretary of State; and Richard Darman, a former White House aide to Ronald Reagan and Republican Party operative.

On March 3, 2001, just weeks after George W Bush's inauguration, the conservative Washington lobbying group Judicial Watch issued a press release. It said:

"(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, called on former President George Herbert Walker Bush to resign immediately from the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm, while his son President George W. Bush is in office. Today's New York Times reported that the elder Bush is an "ambassador" for the $12 billion private investment firm and last year traveled to the Middle East on its behalf. The former president also helped the firm in South Korea.

"The New York Times reported that as compensation, the elder Bush is allowed to buy a stake in the Carlyle Group's investments, which include ownership in at least 164 companies throughout the world (thereby by giving the current president an indirect benefit). James Baker, the former Secretary of State who served as President George W. Bush's point man in Florida's election dispute, is a partner in the firm. The firm also gave George W. Bush help in the early 1990's when it placed him on one of its subsidiary's board of directors.

"This is simply inappropriate. Former President Bush should immediately resign from the Carlyle Group because it is an obvious conflict of interest. Any foreign government or foreign investor trying to curry favor with the current Bush Administration is sure to throw business to the Carlyle Group. And with the former President Bush promoting the firm's investments abroad, foreign nationals could understandably confuse the Carlyle Group's interests with the interests of the United States government," stated Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel.

"Questions are now bound to be raised if the recent Bush Administration change in policy towards Iraq has the fingerprints of the Carlyle Group, which is trying to gain investments from other Arab countries who [sic] would presumably benefit from the new policy," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

Judicial Watch noted that "even the Clinton Administration called on the Rodham brothers to stop their business dealings in [The former Soviet Republic of] Georgia because those dealings started to destabilize that country."

Since the WTC attacks the Wall Street Journal has reported (Sept. 28, 2001) that, "George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm." The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice in the last three years – 1998 and 2000 -- as a representative of Carlyle, seeking to expand business dealings with one of the wealthiest Saudi families, which some experts argue, has never fully severed its ties with black sheep Osama in spite of current reports in a mainstream press that is afraid of offending the current administration.

The Nation, on March 27, 2000 – in a story co-authored by David Corn and Paul Lashmar – wrote, "In January former President George Bush and former British Prime Minister John Major paid a social call on Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah . . ." This story confirms at least one meeting between the elder Bush and Saudi leaders, including the bin Ladens. That the bin Ladens attended this meeting was confirmed in a subsequent September 27, 2001 Wall Street Journal (WSJ) story. The January 2000 meeting with the bin Ladens was also later confirmed by Bush (the elder's) Chief of Staff Jean Becker, only after the WSJ presented her with a thank you note sent by Bush to the bin Ladens after that meeting.

James Baker visited the bin Ladens in 1998 and 1999 with Carlyle CEO Frank Carlucci.

The WSJ story went on to note, "A Carlyle executive said that the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return" the Carlyle executive said.

"But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger . . ."

In other words, Osama bin Laden's attacks on the WTC and Pentagon, with the resulting massive increase in the U.S. defense budget have just made his family a great big pile of money.

More Bush connections appear in relation to the bin Ladens. The WSJ story also notes that, "During the past several years, the [bin Laden] family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes, Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. Secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration. 'We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors.'"

President G.H.W. Bush pardoned Weinberger for his criminal conduct in the Iran-Contra scandal in 1989.

Our current President, George W. Bush has also had -- at minimum -- indirect dealings with Carlyle and the bin Ladens. In 1976 his firm Arbusto Energy was funded with $50,000 from Texas investment banker James R. Bath who was also the U.S. investment counselor for the bin Laden family. In his watershed 1992 book, The Mafia, The CIA and George Bush, award winning Texas investigative journalist Pete Brewton dug deeply into Bath's background, revealing connections with the CIA and major fraudulent activities connected with the Savings & Loan scandal that took $500 billion out of the pockets of American taxpayers. A long-time friend of George W. Bush, Bath was connected to a number of covert financing operations in the Iran-Contra scandal, which also linked to bin Laden friend Adnan Khashoggi. One of the richest men in the world, Khashoggi was the arms merchant at the center of the whole Iran-Contra scandal. Khashoggi, whose connections to the bin Ladens is more than superficial, got his first business break by acting as middle-man for a large truck purchase by Osama bin Laden's older brother, Salem.

Another key player in the Bush Administration, Deputy Secretary of Defense Richard Armitage, left his post as an Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan Administration after a series of scandals connected to CIA operatives Ed Wilson, Ted Shackley, Richard Secord and Tom Clines placed him at the brink of criminal indictment and jail. Shackley and Secord are veterans of Vietnam operations and have long been linked to opium/heroin smuggling. The Armitage scandals all focused on the illegal provision of weapons and war materiel to potential or actual enemies of the U.S. and to the Contras in Central America.

Armitage, a former Navy SEAL, who reportedly enjoyed combat missions and killing during covert operations in Laos during the Vietnam War, has never been far from the Bush family’s side. Throughout his career, both in and out of government, he has been perpetually connected to CIA drug smuggling operations. Secretary of State Colin Powell, in a 1995 Washington Post story, called Armitage, "my white son." In 1990, then President Bush dispatched Armitage to Russia to aid in its "transition" to capitalism. Armitage's Russian work for Bush has been frequently connected to the explosion of drug trafficking under the Russian Mafias, which became virtual rulers of the nation afterwards. In the early 1990s Armitage had extensive involvement in Albania at the same time that the Albanian ally, Kosovo Liberation Army was coming to power and consolidating its grip, according to The Christian Science Monitor, on 70% of the heroin entering western Europe. [See FTW Vol. II, No 2 – April 24, 1999]

Armitage and Carlucci are both Board Members of the influential Washington think tank, the Middle East Policy Council.

The connections continue with Vice President Dick Cheney. Amongst the multitude of oil pipeline construction running through the new war zone is one project – according to a Sept. 19, 2001 Wall Street Journal story – a joint venture in which the bin Laden family joined with the construction firm H.C. Price. A researcher named "Phoenix," writing for the Internet news site Rumor Mill News Agency, reported that Price subsequently changed its name to Bredero Shaw, Inc. and is now owned by a subsidiary of the Halliburton Corporation, Dresser Industries. It was Dresser industries that gave George H.W. Bush his first post war job in 1948. A check of the relevant corporate web sites has confirmed this.

Vice President Dick Cheney, who served as Secretary of Defense during Desert Storm, directing the campaign against Saddam Hussein, was Halliburton's CEO until last year's election.

And, according to a 2000 story from Harper's Magazine, in 1990 our current President, through a position as a corporate director of Caterair, owned by the Carlyle Group – at a time when the bin Laden's were invested in Carlyle – had additional connections to the bin Laden family. In addition, on March 1, 1995, when George W. Bush was Texas governor and a senior Trustee of the university, the University of Texas Endowment voted to place $10 million in investments with the Carlyle Group. As to how much of that money went to the bin Ladens we can only guess. But we do know that there is a long tradition in the Bush family of giving money to those who kill Americans.

Now, as the people of America are beginning to awaken to what is really being unleashed upon them, as a few brave souls are asking who's going to get all the money the Bush Administration is "borrowing" from government coffers and who's going to pay for it - the above history is more than ominous.

Considering that during the 1980s, under the pretext of fighting a Sandinista regime in Nicaragua that never once launched an attack on the U.S., these same people oversaw an explosion in U.S. cocaine consumption that went from 80 metric tons in 1979 to 600 metric tons in 1989 - considering that the CIA trained and equipped death squads that tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of people from Guatemala to Panama – considering that these same people have brutalized Iraq, leaving portions of it radioactively contaminated by depleted uranium for the next 4 billion years and causing a fivefold increase in the number of childhood leukemia cases amidst a starving population, one can only wonder what they will produce for the world now given the context of the World Trade Center attacks.
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Vidal Baboon
By Scott Galupo 03/18/2002

ALEXANDRIA, VA — Gore Vidal is a weird hybrid, an intellectual schizophrenic with equal affection for radical leftists like Noam Chomsky and America Firsters like Charles Lindbergh. In a 1992 lecture at Harvard University, Vidal described the radical half of his brain this way: "I am a radical reformer. The word 'radical' derives from the Latin word for root. Therefore, if you want to get to the root of anything you must be radical. It is no accident that the word has now been totally demonized by our masters, and no one in politics dares even to use the word favorably, much less track any problem to its root."

+++The United States does not have an interest in Afghanistan. The Bush family does. Oil. As does Vice-President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld. We have a bunch of oilmen running the country.

+++ he charged that the F.B.I. concealed evidence of three possible accomplices in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing; moreover, he suggested that the agency was involved in the bombing itself — all in an effort to create sufficient panic to ensure the enactment of a statist anti-terrorism bill eventually signed into law by then President Clinton. For good measure, Vidal let fly another possibility ("the grandest conspiracy of all"): McVeigh "neither made nor set off the bomb outside the Murrah building: it was only later, when facing either death or life imprisonment, that he saw to it that he would be given sole credit [for the bombing]."

+++"Lately, in atonement for his wooing during the election of the fundamentalist Protestants at Bob Jones University, Bush has been 'reaching out' to the Roman Catholic far right. He is already solid with fundamentalist Protestants. In fact, his attorney general, J.D. Ashcroft, is a Pentecostal Christian who starts each day at eight with a prayer meeting attended by Justice Department employees eager to be drenched in the blood of the lamb." Having lampooned the Protestants, Vidal, an equal-opportunity anti-theist, then took a swipe at the Catholics, in particular those affiliated with Opus Dei — "a secretive international Roman Catholic order dedicated to getting its membership into high political, corporate, and religious offices (and perhaps into Heaven too) in various lands to various ends."

One might wonder why Vidal saw fit to bring up religion at all. That he can't resist it is as good a guess as I can come up with. Aside from pointing out that former F.B.I. head Louis Freeh and Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia are members of Opus Dei, Vidal made no effort at connecting the sect to the F.B.I. conspiracy; the entire religion theme is left dangling. He did make the sweeping and cryptic claim that "The Opus Dei conspiracy is — was? — central to the Justice Department." But beyond that there was no exegesis. Vidal never returned to the subject again.

+++"Our government's secret police, with its allies," he wrote in Vanity Fair, "put a heavy fist upon the scales. There was to be only one story: one man of incredible innate evil wanted to destroy innocent lives for no reason other than a spontaneous joy in evildoing."

This is a part of http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/defensewrapper.jsp?PID=1051-350&CID=1051-031802C
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The Science of Coercion: Shaping Consensus for America's New War

Stephen Marshall: Do you think that the gravity of the present situation limits many people’s ability to question the way that the move toward war is being explained by the media, by the government?

Christopher Simpson: There is so little space for questioning in American society today or, at least, this month, that millions of people tend to push their questions down and don't raise them. But when someone they trust asks — like a trusted neighbor or sister — when that person provides a certain amount of space where a person can feel safe in raising questions — then people have plenty of questions.

How are they approaching opinions that could be considered dissenting?

...today, the Rage Against the Machine forum was actually closed down because the FBI called the ISP, saying there was too much anti-American rhetoric on that board… We received that information about an hour ago… Tom Morello, the guitarist, was the one who sent out the email saying that they'd been told that the service provider had been asked to close the board down. It seems that the whole concept of contesting things at this point becomes literally a question of patriotic disservice.

.....There’s this famous quote by William Fulbright in which he says "To criticize one’s country is to do it a service and pay it a compliment." The central idea being that to have a rigorously critical citizenry is key to having an active democracy. Tracing back to the past, from both World Wars, right up to this new age of low-intensity warfare, isn't it true that it can be dangerous for people to speak against the heavily propagandized 'national interest'? And if so, what do you think the most vital role the public can play right now in ensuring that we don’t move into a place where we’re fighting a third World War?

The present situation is dangerous and likely to grow worse. Both major political parties are rushing to expand political police power and to promote broad new surveillance practices. The CIA is today seeking, and will quite likely receive, formal authorization to assassinate heads of state. Immigrants to the United States who fall under state scrutiny today have few rights and very little legal recourse. Political trials are in some instances already held in secret as a supposed security measure. One does not have to be paranoid to suspect that secret judicial proceedings may very well increase, in part because the intelligence community and Bush administration political appointees at the Department of Justice are already lobbying for such measures.

Democracy thrives on people speaking out, period. Of course, you have to be wise about how you do it if you want to have an effect. Ordinary people in the United States today find themselves caught between Oliver North-style terror on one hand and bin Laden-style terror on the other, as we discussed earlier…

If that analysis of the present situation is roughly true, then what should be done about it? Perhaps the way forward is to make the most of this cruel situation. Bring the actual situation to light so that ordinary people can examine it. The fact is, most people over the centuries who have ever fought for justice, liberty and humanity have found themselves caught between these sorts of extremes. The realities that we face that today are not pleasant, but they should not be surprising. ‘These are the times that try men’s souls,’ Thomas Paine said. Women’s souls as well.

So do you think that the public has power to affect what the government will do or do you think it’s the opposite, that the government is acting on the public to manipulate their sentiments? Who is the more malleable and are we still in a functional democracy now that we are ostensibly at war?

Even the most brutal totalitarian dictatorship is, in the final analysis, subject to public opinion. Recent research demonstrates that this was true even during the Nazi Holocaust. People have the power to stand up, and they exercise it with considerable courage and creativity. Most people have minds of their own. Maybe not every person on the bus does, but on every bus there will be at least a few who do. Now is a time to stay calm, speak out and try to talk sense....
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Christopher Simpson is an author and professor at American University, Washington D.C. He currently serves as Director of the Project on Satellite Imagery and the News Media, American University, School of Communication.

Transcription provided by Lisa Hsu.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intel/science_coercion/simpson_trans.html
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Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 12, 2002

Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them. She added that "persons close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America's new war."

In a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station, McKinney said: "We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th. . . . What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? . . . What do they have to hide?"

McKinney declined to be interviewed yesterday, but she issued a statement saying: "I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case."----

In the radio conversation, McKinney delivered a stinging attack on the administration. In 2000, she charged, Bush forces "stole from America our most precious right of all, the right to free and fair elections." With the September attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania, McKinney said, "an administration of questionable legitimacy has been given unprecedented power."

She suggested that the administration was serving the interests of a Washington-based investment firm, the Carlyle Group, which employs a number of high-ranking former government officials from both parties. Former president George H.W. Bush -- the current president's father -- is an adviser to the firm. McKinney said the war on terrorism has enriched Carlyle Group investors by enhancing the value of a military contractor partly owned by the firm.----

With her comments concerning Sept. 11, McKinney, 47, seems to have tapped into a web of conspiracy theories circulating during the past six months among people who believe that the government is partially -- or entirely -- to blame for last year's attacks, which killed more than 3,000 people.

"What is undeniable is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th," McKinney charged. "America's credibility, both with the world and with her own people, rests upon securing credible answers to these questions."----

From - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34565-2002Apr11.html
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ARE AMERICANS THE VICTIMS OF A HOAX?

The time has come to stop using the flag as a blindfold, to stop waving our guns and our gods at each other, to take a close look at the facts which have emerged from the attacks on the World Trade Towers and to recognize the very real possibility, indeed probability, that We The People are the victims of a gigantic and deadly hoax.

Huge amount of data at: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html
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Anonymous
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Don't always trust what they tell you in the war on terror
Downing Street said al-Qa'ida was using chemical weapons: it was wrong. The Pentagon said Saddam Hussein was to blame for the anthrax attacks on the US: it was wrong.
Raymond Whitaker and James Palmer unravel the West's war of lies and propaganda

Large article at http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=280281
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http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/antiterrorism_chill.html shows how the "War on Terror" and post 911 national hysteria has led to the firing of journalists and academics for opening their mouths.
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Evidence Mounts Of Bonn Cover-Up In Bombing Link To Top Kohl Aide's Son
DENVER -- There are growing signs that the German government acted to prevent U.S. law officials from investigating links between the son of Chancellor Helmut Kohl's former chief of staff and the terror bombing which killed 168 persons at Oklahoma City's federal building.
A newly released U.S. State Department document shows that German police, German intelligence and the German Office for Protection of the Constiution all claimed they had no data concerning Andreas Strassmeir, the 37-year-old son of Kohl confidant Gunther Strassmeir.
Yet Strassmeir must have been well known to authorities.
- By 1995, when the information request was given, the German government had proclaimed frequently in public that its security services had identified and isolated just about every German involved with neo-Nazi activities. Yet a parade of investigative reports put the junior Strassmeir high in the echelon of neo-Nazi connections.
- Strassmeir's links to U.S. right wing extremist leaders such as Dennis Mahon would have not gone unnoticed by the intelligence services.
- The fact that Strassmeir was head of security for a neo-Nazi group in Oklahoma would have been noted.
- Strassmeir's presence at high profile public events while his father was Kohl's chief of staff -- including ceremonies marking the annexation of former East Germany to West Germany -- would have required government security clearances.
Strassmeir left the U.S. for Germany before he could be questioned by officials investigating the Oklahoma City federal building bombing. Authorities wanted to question him about his links to Timothy McVeigh, currently on trial for the terror bombing.
Some reports in the U.S. go further, suggesting that Strassmeir may have been involved in the bombing conspiracy.
Upon leaving the U.S., Strassmeir moved into his parents' Berlin home, where he lived until recently. The junior Strassmeir recently moved out, his mother says.
U.S. law enforcement officials have yet to have met with Strassmeir, they say, although there was a report that authorities spoke with him by phone.

Text of Bonn U.S. Embassy Cable to Washington
Here is the text of a cable dated April 28, 1995 from the U.S. Embassy in Bonn concerning the request for information on Andreas Strassmeir.

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE

DEPARTMENT OF STATE DIPLOMATIC SECURITY

P 281208Z APR 95 FM AMEMBASSY BONN TO SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE BONN

DS CHANNEL

FOR DS/ICI/PII

E.O. 12358: N/A TAGS: ASEC SUBJECT: CT03-0495-100-0283 OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING

RE: S/A HUDESPETH E-MAIL AND TELECON OF 4/27/95

1. PER REFERENCED REQUEST, GERMAN POLICE INTELLIGENCE AND CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECKS HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED ON ANDREAS CARL ((STRASSMEIR)): DOB 05/17/59, BERLIN QE: GERMAN PASSPORT NUMBER G7572022, WITH THE FOLLOWING RESULTS:

--FRG POLICE INTELLIGENCE CHECK, NO RECORD 04/27/95

--FRG CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK, NO RECORD 04/27/95

--BFV BUNDESAMT FUER VERFASSUNGSSCHUTZ - FEDERAL OFFICE FOR PROTECTION OF THE CONSTITUTION, NO RECORD - 04/27/95

--FRG RESIDENCE REGISTRATION RECORDS, CHECKED ON 04/27/95 REFLECT THAT ((STRASSMEIR)) FROM 12/23/86 TO 07/25/89 RESIDED IN HAMBURG AT 648 CUXHAVENER STRASSE, 24149 HAMBURG

ANOTHER HAMBURG ADDRESS WAS ALSO LISTED ON THE RECORD CARD ANOTHER HAMBURG ADDRESS WAS ALSO LISTED ON THE RECORD CARD AS 13 STOLTENSTRASSE, HAMBURG (FRG ARMY BARRACKS OR SCHOOL)

PRIOR TO 10/85 (STRASSMEIR) WAS REGISTERED AS LIVING IN BERLIN AT 10 NASSAUERSTRASSE, 1000 BERLIN 31, AND HIS POB WAS INDICATED AS BERLIN, GE.

--LXA HAMBURG (LANDESKRIMINALAMT - STATE LEVEL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS OFFICE) NO RECORD - 04/28/95

2. FRG MILITARY RECORD CHECKS AND BERLIN POLICE CHECKS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED. BUT ARE PENDING. RESULTS WILL BE PROVIDED SEPTEL.

3. THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS PROTECTED UNDER GERMAN DATENSCHULTZ (PRIVACY ACT) LAWS, PLEASE PROTECT ACCORDINGLY. ALSO, AT THE DISCRETION OF DS/ICI/PII THIS CABLE MAY BE DOWNGRADED TO "UNCLASSIFIED" FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES REDMAN

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE

http://germanyalert.com/070408.htm
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Son of Kohl aide linked to McVeigh; Strassmeir guarded hate group for 2 years

BERLIN / NEW YORK (January 26). Accused Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh has been directly linked to the son of a close friend and adviser to German chancellor Helmut Kohl, Germany Alert has learned. Andy Strassmeir, whose father was formerly Kohl's chief of staff, was living in Oklahoma, handling security duties for a white supremacist colony, Elohim City.

U.S. officials have confirmed that McVeigh telephoned Elohim City, a Christian Identity racialist compound in rural Oklahoma two weeks before the bombing. McVeigh asked to speak with Strassmeir, according to Robert Millar, head of the Elohim City compound. In an interview with Germany Alert, Strassmeir said he could not remember the phone call. But he did acknowledge first meeting the bombing suspect shortly after McVeigh was released from the U.S. Army.

Strassmeir, whose father, Guenter Strassmeir, is a former general secretary of the Berlin CDU and whose brother now serves in Berlin's regional parliament, left the U.S. in late 1995 after two years at Elohim City. He is now in Germany, living with his parents. The 36 year old insists he did not flee the United States. Strassmeir told Germany Alert that he remained at Elohim City for four months after the bombing.

Strassmeir claimed that no U.S. authorities have tried to contact him in connection with investigations of the bombing.

Strassmeir said his U.S. attorney is Kirk Lyons, an extremist who has been filmed taking part in neo-Nazi activities in Germany. While Strassmeir was living in Oklahoma, Lyons met with his parents during a trip to Berlin, the son admitted. Given extensive media coverage of Lyons at neo-Nazi gatherings and his reputation as lawyer for U.S. neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members, Holocaust-deniers and other extremists, it is most unlikely that the senior Strassmeir did not know Lyons' background. The lawyer has told journalists he went to visit the Strassmeirs to inform them that their son was happy and well living in the U.S.

During an interview, Strassmeir said he had no part in the Oklahoma City bombing, but expressed caution about speaking about McVeigh or the massive explosion which killed 169 persons. "I'm kind of gun shy right now," Strassmeir declared. "Being innocent is one thing, but running your mouth gets you in trouble."

Strassmeir said his father formerly headed a faction within Kohl's CDU party that always believed in the nationalist dream of "German reunificataion." The night that Guenter Strassmeir and Kohl were shown on television around the world at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, celebrating annexation of East Germany, was "kind of a victory" for his father, Strassmeir said.

The link between McVeigh and Strassmeir raises numerous questions about the U.S. government's investigation. The Justice Department in Washington frequently dismissed reports that it had information of a German connection to the bombing.

Strassmeir said he and his father seldom discuss politics.

When asked what attracted him to Elohim City, an enclave that promotes the Christian Identity belief that Jews are the offspring of Satan and that blacks are "mud people," Strassmeir said, "I was attracted to the alternative lifestyle."


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Kohl again tainted by links to hate
BONN (January 27). Word that the son of chancellor Helmut Kohl's former chief of staff and trusted friend Guenter Strassmeir was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing suspect is the latest in a series of disclosures tainting Kohl in association with hate.

The latest disclosure comes, ironically, only days after Kohl was honored by B'nai B'rith, a conservative Jewish organization.

Several years ago The Indepedent, a respected British daily, reported that Kohl had chosen a book by notorious Holocaust-denier David Irving as a Christmas gift.

Kohl has frequently chosen nationalists and extremists as members of his government. Several deputy ministers and CDU leadership officials in Kohl's inner circle have been linked to organizations seeking to retake parts of Poland, the Czech Republic and Russia as parts of a greater Germany.

ATF Sought Son of Top Kohl Aide After Oklahoma Bombing

DENVER -- U.S. authorities sought to apprehend the son of Chancellor Helmut Kohl's former Chief of Staff in connection with the Oklahoma City federal building bombing, a document has revealed. The murder trial for Timothy McVeigh, a defendant in the the bombing which killed 168 persons, began in Denver on Monday.
An official alert to "be on the lookout" for Andreas Strassmeir was issued by the Oklahoma State Patrol at the request of the ATF, a federal police agency responsible for investigating illegal weapons charges.
Strassmeir's father Gunther is a former Chief of Staff for Kohl and is credited with maneuvering to allow West Germany annex former East Germany after the fall of the Berlin Wall. The elder Strassmeir is a veteran right winger in Kohl's Christian Democrat Union.
Defense attorneys representing McVeigh are expected to point to Strassmeir and implicate him in the bombing.

Text of U.S. Alert for Andreas Strassmeir
Here is the text of an alert for Andreas Strassmeir issued by the Oklahoma State Patrol at the request of the ATF. The reference to "BOLO" is an abbreviation for "Be On The Lookout"

* TROOPER SAFETY *

BOLO. BOLO. BOLO.

- INFORMATION FROM ATF -

Ehlom City North of Sallisaw

BOLO for Security Chief at Ehlom City Compound:

Andreas Stassmeir W/M 5-17-59, heavy German accent Black Hair/Blue Eyes

- 1" scar on chin, wears commo fatigues

- Possible Tennessee drivers license

- Came to USA in 5/91, passport was good until 8/91. He never left the country. INS says he does not have an extension on his VISA.

- Possibly in blue Chevy, late model tag BXH346 (not on file) usually has someone driving him.

- Carries a .45 auto pistol at all times.

- He is an illegal alien, ATF wants to be notified if he is stopped and has the gun on him. They will file the charges.

Contact: Agent Angela Finley ATF Office: 918-581-7731 (or) Pager: 918-672-2755

Trooper Ken Stafford #765

Germany Alert Revealed the Link to Strassmeir 14 Months Ago
News of a connection between Andreas Strassmeir and the Oklahoma City bombing investigation was first reported in Germany Alert in late January 1996.


http://germanyalert.com/0196.htm
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Sheona
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If you feel that the Iraq issue could be resolved peacefully and feel strongly against war, please sign the online petition.

http://www.angelfire.com/weird/bluemoon/petition.html

Have your say. Sign today.
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Anonymous
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In Europe there is a lot of anti american feeling. Everything is blamed on the US while we stand around complainign and don't do anything.
But maybe the US will get too big and dangerous.

Does the US hate Europe?
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Yaakov
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I saw an interesting editorial today. It compared the most popular movies in Europe as compared to the US. Apparently, nihilistic films are the rage in Europe, where it is shown that morality is the destruction of existing institutions.

Meanwhile Americans believe in morality and justice within the existing systems.

As for as the "blaming". It is much easier to blame someone else for your own problems. The Arabs have been doing that for the last 50 years.
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Sonia
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Actually, the Arabs have always been that way. There are accounts dating as far back as Aesop's time. I have read one of Aesop's fables which describe the degrading attitudes of the Arabs. At the end of each of his fables, he liked to insert 'the moral of the story'. And of course, it was always a good one. However, when it came to the particular story of the Arabs lies, the moral of the story was "Arabs are the biggest liars in the world".

However, judging them on what we hear and see in the news is extremely subjective and terribly unfair. Just like you probably wouldn't want others to judge all Americans as a conceited and paranoid lot bent on attaining world hegemony, just because of the views and acts of the Bush administration and their supporters,I'm sure many Arabs wouldn't want you to judge them based solely on the senseless acts of lunatic militants and their supporters.
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Anonymous (209.163.100.158)
Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 2:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sirs,

Joe Vialls, January 2002


I was doing some research on the web today and something caught my eye as I was googling around. I came across this page. http://www.rense.com/general19/911.htm

I was completely blown away by this article. I don't know who dreamed it up but they sure don't know a damn thing about what they are saying and in my view I have to wonder how such a theory could even become published or aired. This is a perfect example of how alarmist screw things up in this country and start serious rumors.

How do I know all of this? Simple. I was a co-owner of the aircraft that Frank Corder stole. I flew that plane on September 10, 1994 with my grandson. That Cessna was a very modest striped down plane that hardly even had any electronics in it at all. There was no way that it could have been retrofitted to fly by remote control in the 12 hours between when I parked it on the Ground at Aldino airport and the time it was stolen.

The fact of the matter is, Frank Corder grew up near the airport. He went to school with my daughter. He once took a single flying lesson in this very plane during a promotional event at this airport. Frank Corder was known in the area to be a drug abuser and had some other problems. His wife had recently died and he went down hill from there. Why do you say he did this? Was it something just out of the clear blue that he conceived in the middle of the night? NO! The answer is, he had a flare for the flamboyance. A year or so earlier he became infatuated when that kid landed a similar plane on the grounds of Red Square in Russia. It was shortly after that incident that Corder took the free flying lesson.

If you know anything what so ever about airplanes, which I doubt, Then you know that a Cessna 150 Commuter, which this was, will damn near fly it's self. In one lesson I could show you how to start it up and get it off the ground. After that just keep the airspeed up and drive it. Of course landing it again takes some practice, but that wasn't a real big issue with him, now was it?

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears but I am typing to relieve myself of the frustration I get when I see someone who has a cult following try to influence them by coming up with stuff that is absolutely bazaar.
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Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a war on terror should be ON Terrorists ,going after ALL THE GROUPS AND THEIR TRAINING GROUNDS
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I would be EXTREMELY careful of anything that comes from Joe Vialls's site. The man is a proven liar and antisemite. Same for Jeff Rense.

Of course a plane hit the Pentagon. They could hardly LIE about somethng that big, would they. I genuinely believe that if the US intelligence had known about something that big, they would have tried to stop it. It was an intelligence cock-up - not a conspiracy.

I would personally rather live in a world run by George W Bush than by Osama Bin Laden, even though I do not particuarly care for Bush. Would all of you whiners who scream "Conspiracy" at every turn be allowed to express your viewpoints in a country run by Sharia law? No you wouldn't. The only reason you are allowed free speech is because you live in democracies and have a government that cares about personal freedom.

There are plenty of people around the world who are suffering from prejudice and racism, and also dying in wars and famine. Think about them and also have some respect for the victims of september the 11th before screeching about fake conspiracies which only serve the interests of the terrorists.
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Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
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musab abu Zarqawi is worse than bin laden

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