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     wog2012 Member Username: wog2012 Post Number: 53 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 201.128.105.63 |
L. Ronald Hubbard, founder of the Church of Scientology of California (Now taken over and known as the Church of Scientology International) wrote arround early 80's the following: "I want scientologists to survive the third world war..." Now is the time to pay heed. Former CIA Analyst Says Iran Strike Set For June Or July McGovern: Staged terror attacks across Europe, US "probable" in order to justify invasion Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 1 2006 Former CIA analyst and Presidential advisor Ray McGovern, fresh from his heated public confrontation with Donald Rumsfeld, fears that staged terror attacks across Europe and the US are probable in order to justify the Bush administration's plan to launch a military strike against Iran, which he thinks will take place in June or July. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...iranstrike.htm Quote: "There is already one carrier task force there in the Gulf, two are steaming toward it at the last report I have at least - they will all be there in another week or so." "The propaganda has been laid, the aircraft carriers are in place, it doesn't take much to fly the bombers out of British and US bases - cruse missiles are at the ready, Israel is egging us on," said McGovern. McGovern said Iran's likely response to a US air strike would be threefold - mobilizing worldwide terrorist cells that would make Al-Qaeda look like a girls netball team - utilizing its cruise missile arsenal to attack US ships and sending fighters into Iraq to attack US forces. "The Iranians can easily send three divisions of revolutionary guard troops right over....the long border with Iraq," said McGovern, stating that the local Sunni population of Iraq would welcome such an invasion. The turmoil caused by such an action would lead the US to tap its so-called 'mini-nuke' arsenal said McGovern, opening a new Pandora's box of chaos. Hubbard's advice "I want scientologists to survive the third world war.." refers precisely to a nuclear war and means to help people survive contamination by radiation. Radiation courtesy of the George W. Bush "Administration" is already present in Irak and elsewere thanks to the depleted uranium frenzy by the Pentagon in using ammunition of depleted uranium in the war. | ||
| wog2012 Member Username: wog2012 Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 201.144.23.113 |
Even Bilderbergers (those banking families and polititians who tell your appointed officers what to do) agree that George W. Bush is in a dangerous nuclear frenzy against Iran: Quote: Big Surprises at Bilderberg James P. Tucker Jr / American Free Press | June 21 2006 Bilderberg expects interest rates to rise and many Americans to lose their homes in the months ahead. Meanwhile, they hope they can pressure President Bush to refrain from an all-out invasion of Iran while maintaining oil prices at their current record-high levels of about $70 a barrel. ... Quote: European Bilderbergers said they would have no part in an invasion of Iran, something Bush says is an “option on the table.” Although NATO is helping by adding 9,000 troops in Afghanistan, expect no help if Iran is invaded, they said. “We will not help you fight a war for Israel,” one said. ... William Luti, special assistant to Bush for defense policy, and Richard Perle, former high Defense Department official and still a close adviser to Bush, responded that the United States is simply trying to stop the spread of nuclear weapons and make the world “safe.” But, said one European: Robert Zoellick, deputy secretary of state, said it would be necessary to keep the invasion “option” to pressure Iran into agreeing to abandon its nuclear weapons program. The Americans remained silent. http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/bilderberg_big_surprises.htm | ||
| wog2012 Member Username: wog2012 Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 201.144.1.207 |
Now I know why people keep silent. If you are in the UK, USA or Canada, you could be arrested without charge, interrogated and tortured for ours and sent to a Gulag in East Germany for having dared to read an Alex Johnes article on George W. Bush's nuclear Gihad against Iran. Quote: Paramilitary Secret Police Kidnap, Detain, Torture Bilderberg Investigators Interrogators threatened to "cut off arms" during 6 hour marathon of hell Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 29 2006 Three Canadian citizens who visited the Brookestreet Hotel in Ottawa to observe members of the Bilderberg Group earlier this month were kidnapped, detained without charge and suffered the ordeal of a marathon interrogation session and psychological torture - including threats to "cut off the arms" of one of the victims. Quote: After approaching the vehicle, Burd and his friend Crystal Slack were also grabbed and kidnapped, taken to a RCMP holding facility, detained without charges, harassed and interrogated for hours about their connections to the "insurgent" and "threat to national security" Alex Jones, who himself had been detained and interrogated for 15 hours at the hands of Canadian immigration the previous day. They were the lucky ones. McCormick was taken to a secret high security facility where he was brutally interrogated without charge and mentally tortured for six hours. He was accused of wanting to blow up the Brookestreet Hotel, as the interrogators threatened to "cut off his arms" warning him that they also "had his friends" in custody. This is the very definition of psychological torture, the threat of physical harm and dismemberment. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...naptorture.htm The problem is that if you do nothing, you will end up being detained without charges and shipped to a FEMA Death Camp or a CIA East Germany Prission. My advice is to unite in a world forum to stop your police states from growing. | ||
| wog2012 Member Username: wog2012 Post Number: 68 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 201.144.1.207 |
Now I know why people keep silent. If you are in the UK, USA or Canada, you could be arrested without charge, interrogated and tortured for ours and sent to a Gulag in East Germany for having dared to read an Alex Johnes article on George W. Bush's nuclear Gihad against Iran. Quote: Paramilitary Secret Police Kidnap, Detain, Torture Bilderberg Investigators Interrogators threatened to "cut off arms" during 6 hour marathon of hell Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 29 2006 Three Canadian citizens who visited the Brookestreet Hotel in Ottawa to observe members of the Bilderberg Group earlier this month were kidnapped, detained without charge and suffered the ordeal of a marathon interrogation session and psychological torture - including threats to "cut off the arms" of one of the victims. Quote: After approaching the vehicle, Burd and his friend Crystal Slack were also grabbed and kidnapped, taken to a RCMP holding facility, detained without charges, harassed and interrogated for hours about their connections to the "insurgent" and "threat to national security" Alex Jones, who himself had been detained and interrogated for 15 hours at the hands of Canadian immigration the previous day. They were the lucky ones. McCormick was taken to a secret high security facility where he was brutally interrogated without charge and mentally tortured for six hours. He was accused of wanting to blow up the Brookestreet Hotel, as the interrogators threatened to "cut off his arms" warning him that they also "had his friends" in custody. This is the very definition of psychological torture, the threat of physical harm and dismemberment. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...naptorture.htm The problem is that if you do nothing, you will end up being detained without charges and shipped to a FEMA Death Camp or a CIA East Germany Prission. My advice is to unite in a world forum to stop your police states from growing. | ||
| christian_peper New member Username: christian_peper Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 4.245.89.214 |
A freedom strategy, Watch Lists. I am not afraid to speak out. I hope my name is on as many watch lists as possible. We must flood their watch lists by speaking out. Make the watch lists useless by everyone being on one. I want to be there when the entire neo-con agenda unravels and the truth about 911 is known by all. Then when the population is casting the net wide we must help identify those responsible for police abuse, false terrorism, and other government crimes. I say never stop spreading the truth. Fight or die! My name is Christian Peper www.christianpeper.com | ||
| anyscientologist New member Username: anyscientologist Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 201.98.87.196 |
You are right, More than 80 per cent of USA citizens know 9/11 was an inside job, thanks to the job of 9/11 truth movement. | ||
| dowen Advanced Member Username: dowen Post Number: 626 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.9.93.81 |
Umm, guys, 9-11 was no more of an 'inside job' than the nut cases firing rockets into Israel are 'inside Israeli's' shooting their own Country. On 9-11 the US was attacked by a group of scum bags, all Muslim, all full of hatred, all evil. These kind of men will strike again on American soil, and when they do, if those of you who also hate America like Christian Peper have their way, we will roll over and let the terrorists win. Personally, I don't want to be the citizen of a Country who let's terrorists win. That is why I support the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and now the situation surrounding Israel. The terrorists must know that America means business when she says that she is at war with the evil known as radical Islam and it's terroristic members. People like this Peper fellow will be the downfall of this Great Nation if their lunacy becomes mainstream. Terrorism is the weapon of this age, if the US and allies don't stand up to it now, and destroy it now, we will deserve being wiped out by it. I believe America is better than that, and smarter than that. To say that 9-11 was an 'inside job' puts one into the category of those who believe that FDR knew the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor, or those who believe the US took out JFK. A very odd bunch of fellows indeed. (these same fellows wear tin foil hats...and think that aliens landed in Roswell...lol) | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 3573 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.55.183.238 |
If 9-11 was an inside job then so was the attack on the same World Trade Center buildings in New York city in the 90's. http://www.kumawar.com/alQaeda/alQaeda.php Al queda operatives planted their bombs in the underground garage and killed many. That was during the Clinton Administration. Were the Clinton's part of the inside job there too? Were the Clinton's part of the bombing of our embassires, the U.S.S. Cole? Was there a Clinton connection to 9-11? Bogus! Be glad we finally have a President that will doing something to defend this country from outside attacks. Take the fight where they are. You are just conspiracy theory wackos! | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 214 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 67.35.32.194 |
The biggest 'conspiracy theory wackos' have to be the ones who still cling to the 'official version' 9-11 conspiracy theory put out by the government. 200+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the Mainstream Media (last updated: 07/15/2006) http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html Do you find it interesting that those Christians who refuse to oppose the efforts of internationalists today are actually helping to forge the chains and build the scaffolds that will ultimately be used against both them and their children tomorrow? Whether they realize it or not, that is exactly what they are allowing to happen. It is time that all freedom-loving Americans discard their infatuation with political parties, labels, and titles. They must quickly cast off their propensity to put pragmatism over principle and stop allowing themselves to be blindly led by these pompous Pied Pipers of internationalism. -Pastor Chuck Baldwin The neocons are the epitome of evil, and they have succumbed to hubris. Like Hitler when he attacked the Soviet Union, neocons believe that their manipulative skills and use of military power will carry the day for their agenda. Hitler's hubris doomed Germany to destruction. What price will America pay for neocon hubris? -Paul Craig Roberts The "war on terror" is a scam. It's a sham. It's a hoax. It's a clever ruse to use fear of the unknown to drive a totalitarian agenda through the legislative chambers of so-called democracies in the so-called free world. It's a pact with the devil. I don't know about you, but I think it hugely ironic that our "fight" against the forces that "hate us because of our freedoms" means we must lose those very freedoms in the process of defending them.-David MacGregor A President that defends our country from outside attacks!? Thats a total joke! Take a good look at our wide-open borders for the last five years that have a daily average of 5000 undocumented people crossing daily. Its more likely our President has been hoping for another 911 type attack to use fear to bolster up support for war. I believe in the near future such an attack is sure to happen no matter who the finger is pointed at for being the responsible party. (Message edited by plow_deep on July 20, 2006) | ||
| actvthinkr Member Username: actvthinkr Post Number: 100 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.170.85.57 |
IMHO, I don't think America is prepared for the type of terrorism realized in middle eastern countries. The suicide bombings, those are horrible, how can a nation combat that? To think that anyone can wear a bomb under their clothing and get on a form of public transportation or go into a heavily populated mall and detonate it - that would be absoluted awful for this country. I pray that those types of tactics never make it to our soil. Whatever it takes to make sure it doesn't happen, and our freedoms are still preserved, so be it. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 216 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.32.157 |
Actvthinkr, I hope and pray it doesnt come to that in America either but the more we try to impose our form of government and ideals on countries that want no part of them, the more likely it is gonna happen. Its too bad our government doesnt abide by the rule of "Do unto your neighbors as you would have them do unto you". I dont think we have the right to unconstitutionally attack and impose a form of government on another country like we have done to Iraq. Would you want Iraq to do to us what we've done to them? Setting up puppet governments in unwilling countries doesnt work. Vietnam should have been a clear enough example. Its time Americans took a good look at what is happening in our own country and fix our own problems rather than run around the world sticking our noses in how others run theirs. Our runaway government controlled by global elitists is the number one danger we face. Our nation is being destroyed internally while our attentions are drawn to world troubles. I'm all for America. First, last and always. Its time to kick out the politicans that put global interests before Americans. They are traitors to the very principles this country was founded on. Our Forefathers warned us not to get involved in the internal politics of other countries and we have strayed way off course in the last century. Does the world respect us? Hardly. They fear us and hate us and only pay lip service to us for a financial handout or the use of our military as cannon fodder in world policing actions. Our so called allies that support us only put up token efforts. We bear the brunt of the actions in blood and money. We drop tons of depleted urainium core bombs on people and poison the whole world. We are poisoning our own troops. We've been doing it since 1991. How can anybody morally justify these actions!? We have more troops on disability now than after ww2. Yet the public is unaware. Thousands upon thousands of Gulf war 1 vets have since died. Yet the public is largely unaware. I beg you to research this for yourself. Its a shame we ignore the ugly side of how our country is run these days. I do hope we pull the teeth of lobbying groups that put foreign interests before American interests. WE give billions of dollars to Israel in foreign aid and they turn around and use it exclusively in lobbying interests...thats gotta be the biggest joke of all. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 217 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.32.157 |
Below are some rarely-mentioned facts about the relationship between Zionism and modern-day terrorism: 1. The first aircraft hijacking was carried out by Israel in 1954 against a Syrian civilian airliner. 2. Grenades in cafes: first used by Zionists against Palestinians in Jerusalem on 17 March 1937. 3. Delayed-action, electrically timed mines in crowded marketplaces: first used by Zionists against Palestinians in Haifa on 6 July 1938. 4. Blowing up a ship with its civilian passengers still on board: first carried out by Zionists in Haifa on 25 November 1940. The Zionists did not hesitate to blow up their own people in protest at the British policy of restricting Jewish immigration to Palestine. The ship, Patria, was carrying 1,700 Jewish immigrants. 5. Assassination of government officials: first carried out by the Zionists against the British in Cairo, when on 6 November 1944 Lord Moyne was assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and later leader of the Stern Gang and Israeli prime minister, was behind the plan. 6. Use of hostages as a means of putting pressure on a government: first used by the Zionists against the British in Tel Aviv on 18 June 1946. 7. Blowing up of government offices with their civilian employees and visitors: first carried out by the Zionists against the British in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. The toll was 91 Britons killed and 46 wounded in the King David Hotel. Menachim Begin, who masterminded and carried out the attack and later became Israeli prime minister, admitted that the massacre was coordinated with and carried out under the instruction of the Haganah Zionist gang. 8. Booby-trapped suitcases: first used by the Zionists against the British Embassy in Rome on 13 October 1946. 9. Booby-trapped cars in civilian areas: first used by the Zionists against the British in Sarafand (east of Jaffa) on 5 December 1946. 10. Beating of hostages: first used by the Zionists against the British in Tel Aviv, Netanya and Rishon on 29 December 1946. 11. Letter bombs sent to politicians: first used by the Zionists against Britain when 20 letter bombs were sent from Italy to London between 4 and 6 June 1947. 12. Murder of hostages as a reprisal for government actions: first used by the Zionists against the British in the Netanya area on 29 July 1947. 13. Postal parcel bombs: first used by the Zionists against the British in London on 3 September 1947. 14. The massacre of Qibya, northwest of Jerusalem, was carried out by Unit 101, under the command of Ariel Sharon on Wednesday 14 October 1953. The attack was the bloodiest and most brutal Zionist crimes since the infamous Deir Yassin massacre. Forty-two houses as well as a school and a mosque were dynamited over their inhabitants. Seventy-five women, men and children were killed. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 218 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.32.157 |
An honest Israel human rights group http://www.btselem.org/english/list_of_Topics.asp Jews against zionism www.jewsnotzionists.org Orthodox Jews united against Zionism www.nkusa.org True Torah Jews is a non-profit organization of Orthodox Jews www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ | ||
| actvthinkr Intermediate Member Username: actvthinkr Post Number: 107 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.170.85.57 |
plow: I agree to a certain extent with what you are saying. We as a country do need to solve a lot of our own problems before trying to solve others. We also can't be the world's police force either. At the same time, we can't say we are only going to think of ourselves and no one else. Wars have been a part of life since it began, and I don't think that as long as human's are making the decisions that they'll end. (depends on what beliefs people have about the end of the world, the second coming, etc.) It's always a fight over land, religion, or whatever those in the position to wage them, make them. I don't think it's realistic to think that if we just worry about ourselves and no one else, that war won't come knocking on our door. As for forcing our beliefs on other countries, that's as bad as them forcing theirs on us; and no, I wouldn't want that. As for politicians, it's whoever has the most money that wins. If you or I wanted to run for president, we'd have to raise a lot of money just to be noticed, average Joe America just running to serve, wouldn't get a second thought, much less serious consideration for president. Also, a politician is all about getting in office, and will say whatever he/she wants, then once they're in there, they do something completely different. Not to mention that everything they suggest has to be considered by our checks and balance system of the House and Senate. Even if a president is doing what is great, if the House or Senate don't think so, it isn't happening. Lastly, I wonder what it would be like if politics were still as they were back when George Washington was in office. People who were in public office of any type came together to work on problems of the country, from their regular jobs. Being in office wasn't their only occupation. They spent more time with regular people because they worked right along side of them when not ratifying a bill or whatnot. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 224 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.34.23 |
Thank goodness for the checks and balances in our system. A king George Bush or a queen Hillary is just plain too nightmarish to think about. Too bad most of our leaders and countrymen dont heed the advice of the first President of our country. His commonsense approach would serve us greatly in this day and age. Here's an example of a proper foreign policy taken from George Washington's Farewell Address in 1796 Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices? In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim. So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 225 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.34.23 |
As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils? Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter. Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests. The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities. Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel. Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice? It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them. Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 226 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.34.23 |
Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand; neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing (with powers so disposed, in order to give trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the government to support them) conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary, and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied, as experience and circumstances shall dictate; constantly keeping in view that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that, by such acceptance, it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors, and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion, which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard. In offering to you, my countrymen, these counsels of an old and affectionate friend, I dare not hope they will make the strong and lasting impression I could wish; that they will control the usual current of the passions, or prevent our nation from running the course which has hitherto marked the destiny of nations. But, if I may even flatter myself that they may be productive of some partial benefit, some occasional good; that they may now and then recur to moderate the fury of party spirit, to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism; this hope will be a full recompense for the solicitude for your welfare, by which they have been dictated. Everything thing warned against in the above statements have pretty much come true wouldnt you say? Its just plain laziness and apathy to think the average Joe cant make a difference. You have been sold a false bill of goods by a lifetime of government and media propaganda and bought it, hook, line, and sinker. Stand up for your rights or sit back and lick the chains of your servitude. Its your choice. The lame excuse of "Theres nothing poor average me can do to make a difference" just doesnt cut it with me. Learn your Constitution and Bill of Rights and force your Politicians to adhere to them. We ARE the the government. Those Politicians ARE representitives of WE the People. We cant blame them for what they do. We can only blame ourselves for allowing them to do it. | ||
| actvthinkr Intermediate Member Username: actvthinkr Post Number: 110 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.170.85.57 |
plow: No, I don't believe I'm being lazy by stating an example that we have all seen. I know this is my country just as much as anyone else's. What I reference by "Joe America" is true, if you don't have enough money to lobby for support, than you won't get elected. That doesn't mean that myself personally cannot send letters to congressmen or govt. officials lobbying for change, I can, I have. Can it make a difference? All it takes is one person there to listen - so yes, it can. However, special interest groups get their agendas a lot of govt. attention because of the money - to support a candidate for re-election or election. Money, Money and more Money. Everytime I go to vote I see third and fourth party candidates running, and everytime they get very little of the vote, mostly, because they don't have enough financial resources to put their face on t.v. all the time, to get their views heard. It's sad, we should have more choice than just two parties, if both suck, we're screwed.  | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 227 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.46.224 |
Actvthinkr, Perot was a billionare with no money problems. He lost. Money is not the issue. Other than 'pet' social issues that are used to keep the public opinion split and under easy control, there is absolutely no difference between Republicans and Democrats. One only needs to look back as far as Bush 1's term and follow the legislation thru Clinton to Bush 2 today to see both major parties compliment each other in eroding individual rights, property rights, states rights, dismantling our Constitution, turning public land over to the U.N. programs by the 100,000's of acres, centralising federal power. Both parties DO suck and other than appeasement tactics, there is no real difference between them. Lets look at some of your statements in the above posts. Not to mention that everything they suggest has to be considered by our checks and balance system of the House and Senate. It's sad, we should have more choice than just two parties, if both suck, we're screwed. These are standard issue examples of the power of constant propaganda. You can take 2 individuals, 1 with a liberal viewpoint and the other with a conservative viewpoint. Have them watch the same news program (even Fox or CNN), and they both will come away believing the identical program they watched, was slanted towards the opposing viewpoint. Clinical tests have proved this over and over for years. Mind control on a grand scale is a real thing. Our opinions are programmed into us by a constant bombardment from media and government sources. Just as its hard to get an alcoholic to admit he has a problem, people blow off media programming as a conspiracy theory. However, special interest groups get their agendas a lot of govt. attention because of the money True! Can you imagine what a difference it would make if all Americans read the wisdom's of George Washington on foreign policy? The idea of it becoming common public knowledge, just has to make a Global elitist and foreign interest lobbyists tremble in fear.  Did you even read it? | ||
| actvthinkr Intermediate Member Username: actvthinkr Post Number: 111 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.170.85.57 |
Yes, I did read it, and I agree that it's been ignored. I also agee with what you wrote about mind control, people do not notice how many verbal and nonberbal messages are received from all types of media daily. It boggles the mind, and the sad part, we are so used to it that it's hard to see the subtle messages that are being sent to us. Plus, due to technical advances, just about anything can be tampered with, so it makes it harder and harder to discern the truth. The problem with conspiracy theories, is that there are so many things people want to contribute to being a conspiracy, that it becomes a paranoia phrase. Then if there is one, it's not taken seriously. George Washington was a wise president, he had a foresight that few political leaders today have. | ||
| actvthinkr Intermediate Member Username: actvthinkr Post Number: 112 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.170.85.57 |
Also, what I meant by "we should have more choice than just two parties", is that though we have 31 different political parties in the U.S., as a nation it comes down to only two very well known parties as the front runners for candidate consideration. How many people, have actually taken the time to find out what the other parties are all about? Though I vote for the party of my choice, some people feel defeated before they get to the voting booth. They feel they must vote either Dem or Rep because whoever else they vote for won't get into office anyway. They don't realize that it would still take a vote away from the front runners, and could cause change if enough people felt the same. | ||
| nolurkingonme New member Username: nolurkingonme Post Number: 14 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.85.147.254 |
Has anyone here read the book "Intelligence Matters" by Senator Graham? Now, are people going to state that the Senator was just posturing for the Democrats when he wrote that book? I don't really believe that; and I don't believe it was 'soft reporting' either. I believe there is real evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. there is hard evidentiary proof that wasn't reported by whoever was handling the F.B.I. informant whom 2 of the terrorists who died were previously living with in San Diego Co. CA. i didn't 'make up' this as a conspiracy theory, there is real documentation of it by a Senator who was head of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time 9/11 actually occured. If there is 'actual' proof of inside criminal behavior going on; then how can it be considered a "conspiracy theory"? There isn't any "theory" if there is direct evidence. It's just evidence that hasn't been compiled enough to take to a court case. and, most of the people were allowed to fly back to their own countries right away. so the current F.B.I. couldn't get them back here to testify for a court case even if everyone wanted it. they have been allowed to "fly the coop"... i don't see why i should be labeled some sort of 'theorist' or un American because I have seen actual documentation that 9/11 was an inside job. But, some people would rather grab the current trend beliefs rather than view reality for themselves. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 233 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.41.141 |
nolurkingonme, I havent read the book you mention. Is it free online anywhere? Ive spent 4 yrs weeding thru all the 9/11 sites and I can firmly say I dont believe 9/11 went down like the government says. Theres alot of good info mixed in with much misinformation on most sites. Many people are stepping forward and questioning the official reports these days, for which I'm grateful. Sometimes its easier for folks to close their minds to whats going on around them then to explore the possibilities that they are being sold a lie. Our society is becoming more intolerant to individual thought as the quality of life and opportunities to own land or to find decent paying, secure employment fades away. The next few years as the "Baby Boomers" start retiring, things are gonna get real ugly as their benefits are cut. The rhetoric of "Your either for us or against us" causes many people to turn a blind eye for fear of retribution. Those who stand up suffer the penalties. A good example are all the Independent Churches that have come forward opposing war have been audited by the IRS since early 2005. FDR once said nothing happens by accident, if it happens, you can be sure it was planned. We live in a unique moment where the internet gives us access to free, uncensored communication and news. If ever there is a chance to make a bloodless change in our country, that moment is now. My hats off to all those willing to face persecution and ridicule from the "group think" mentality and stand up and voice their opinions and concerns. That window of opportunity is quickly fading away. Take advantage of it. | ||
| plow_deep Intermediate Member Username: plow_deep Post Number: 234 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.78.40.193 |
I made mention of Zionist Terrorism in an earlier post above to show there is nothing new about the actions of terrorists in Iraq, Lebanon and Palistine in todays world. Interesting I should run across one of the acts of terrorism I listed above while reading the news today. British anger at terror celebration The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killing 92 people has caused offence AS ISRAEL wages war against Hezbollah “terrorists” in Lebanon, Britain has protested about the celebration by right-wing Israelis of a Jewish “act of terrorism” against British rule 60 years ago this week. The rightwingers, including Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Prime Minister, are commemorating the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of British rule, that killed 92 people and helped to drive the British from Palestine. They have erected a plaque outside the restored building, and are holding a two-day seminar with speeches and a tour of the hotel by one of the Jewish resistance fighters involved in the attack. Simon McDonald, the British Ambassador in Tel Aviv, and John Jenkins, the Consul-General in Jerusalem, have written to the municipality, stating: “We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated.” In particular they demanded the removal of the plaque that pays tribute to the Irgun, the Jewish resistance branch headed by Menachem Begin, the future Prime Minister, which carried out the attack on July 22, 1946. The plaque presents as fact the Irgun’s claim that people died because the British ignored warning calls. “For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated,” it states. Mr McDonald and Dr Jenkins denied that the British had been warned, adding that even if they had “this does not absolve those who planted the bomb from responsibility for the deaths”. On Monday city officials agreed to remove the language deemed offensive from the blue sign hanging on the hotel’s gates, though that had not been done shortly before it was unveiled last night. The controversy over the plaque and the two-day celebration of the bombing, sponsored by Irgun veterans and the right-wing Menachem Begin Heritage Centre, goes to the heart of the debate over the use of political violence in the Middle East. Yesterday Mr Netanyahu argued in a speech celebrating the attack that the Irgun were governed by morals, unlike fighters from groups such as Hamas. Complete article found at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0%2C%2C173-2277717%2C00.html | ||
| anyscientologist New member Username: anyscientologist Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 201.102.78.28 |
This megalomaniac ethnic cleansers could repeat an atack on Red Coats today. | ||
| anyscientologist New member Username: anyscientologist Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 201.129.217.20 |
My advice is to learn about niacine capacity to run out radiation. Quote: WWIII and the New Status Quo Ante Agenda Long term three world war agenda unfolding in the here and now Steve Watson / Infowars | July 26 2006 Condoleeza Rice's statement today that a return to the 'political Status Quo Ante' is not an option is very revealing in terms of what we are to expect in the coming weeks months and years. Despite the fact that every nation on the planet, barring the two globalist control centres of the US and the UK wants an immediate ceasefire and an end to the killing, a ceasefire is not what we are going to get. ... Hezbollah started this conflict by invading Israel and killing and kidnapping soldiers... In reality it is the exact opposite that is the case. Israel sent troops over the Lebanese border into the South of the country and then claimed the captured invaders were "kidnap victims" and launched their attacks. ... Pike wrote: The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World, The [third] war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. The rest of the world will be drawn in. "Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion... Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known, an all powerful malevolent unipolar world order. He stated that the agenda was to "unleash the nihilists and the atheists" and bring this about via "a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time." http://www.infowars.net/articles/jul...60706WWIII.htm |
