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     sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 393 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
new thread: 300 messages seems a good cut-off | ||
| howie Member Username: howie Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 66.206.87.117 |
http://www.archive.org/details/SexualImpotenceOfPuertoRicanSocialistParty "What is Male Impotence?" http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject:%22Larouche%22 | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 195 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Only days ago the world was coming to an end and the system was crashing down if Congress didn't pass the HBPA by the end of September. Well, boys and girls, here it is the end of September, and whaddya know? Congress didn't pass the HBPA. In fact, Congress never even heard of the HBPA. What a wonderful, ironic 85th birthday present.... You know the rest. Hmmm--what to tell the yutes this time? Lyn didn't get elected President in 2004 and the world went on. Then Kerry didn't get elected President in 2004 and the world went on. Then this didn't happen, and that didn't happen, and something else didn't happen, and the world went on. Now, the HBPA didn't happen, and the world seems to be going on. So what to tell the yutes? Not to worry--LaRouche has it taped out. Jeff Steinberg tells us in the morning briefing Friday that this time, we have it nailed. You can tell from the headline: "LAROUCHE: THE PROBLEM IS ENTIRELY THE BRITISH." Uh, okay. Wow! Looks bad for Molly Kronberg and Karl Marx, eh? Being British agents and all.... Here's where we're going now kids (don't look back, don't look at the HBPA and the final collapse of civilization as we've known it--don't look at the man behind the curtain). CONTINUED | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 196 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Writes Steinberg: Back from the breakthrough European conference [they had one, I guess that was the breakthrough], Lyn met with the NEC and the LYM on Thursday night and had a thoroughly-composed [how many voices would that be? What is this, Adjectives R Us? You know in a meeting with LaRouche, the contrapuntal voices are all coming from one place] message for the international association, filling out the picture behind his intervention on behalf of Shimon Peres and those Israeli ``old hands'' who are pushing for a peace treaty with Syria, as a means of outflanking those who are out to blow up the entire Southwest Asian region. [Ah--I get it now. The economy isn't blowing up and Wall Street appears to still be there, so we're back to the Mideast blowing up. An old standby. "Stop nuclear war! Give now before it's too late!"] Lyn started out by simply stating: ``The problem is entirely British. They are still an empire.'' [We're baaack! The international organization is on its feet again! We just remembered it's the British!] The British got their imperial status fully restored in Aug. 1971, when British traitors led by George Shultz removed the dollar from the fixed-exchange-rate system [Lyn looks back nostalgically on the glory days]. Things have gone rapidly downhill from there, and the British enemy is now determined to destroy the United States altogether. Since February of 1763, all warfare has been truly defined by the conflict between the American and British systems. [Excuse me while I take the long view. I always take the long view after one of my apocalyptic "forecasts" fails to erupt.] These are two completely different concepts of society--the difference between empire and republic. CONTINUED | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 197 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
We are at a particularly crucial moment now, [when were we not?] because the British are going for end-game--the final destruction of the American Republic. [When were they not?] They are banking on the help of traitors-within, led by people like Dick Cheney [and Linda de Hoyos, Uwe Friesecke, Fernando Quijano, and Molly Kronberg. Oh, and Gus Axios and Andy Typaldos and Ken Dalto…. Am I forgetting someone here?]. There are plenty of traitors in the Democratic ranks [Hillary has fat ankles--did I ever mention that?], too, so don't think of this as a partisan issue. It's the British versus the Americans. You see the British hand in Southwest Asia, where they are going for what some have called ``managed chaos.'' You see it in the provocations against Russia and China. Well, it goes on like this for quite awhile, about Israel being expendable to the British (but suddenly, miraculously, not they’re not expendable to LaRouche) and then-- So this group, acting through [Israeli] President Shimon Peres, is offering a peace deal to Syria. This must happen! Don't talk about what will work. [Check.No problem.] Don't be too clever, Lyn warned. [Not to worry. No danger of that.] Just get this crowd in Israel to join with a like-minded group in the Syrian leadership, around President Bashar Assad, and work together to screw the British. It is that simple. [It's always that simple. That's why Lyn's interventions in world politics have always been so surgical. So precise.] Lyn knows this game very well. Since the 1974-76 period, Lyn has been in the middle of this effort to screw the British in Southwest Asia [Translation: He went to Iraq in 1975 and met with a bunch of Baathists Saddam later murdered], through FDR methods of American System economic and political cooperation [Well, not in 1974-76. That's when he was still calling FDR a Mussolini fascist, remember?]. Remember, back in that period, Shimon Peres was one of the Israeli political leaders who hailed Lyn for his Middle East Peace and Development Plan of 1975.[Quotes, please. Citation, please.] In the mid-1980s, both Lyn and Shimon Peres were promoting the ``Oasis Plan,'' already centered on the idea of nuclear-powered desalination. [Chapter and verse, please? Do we have that picture of the two of them together?] And now once again, at a moment of grave crisis, the collaboration [Lyn and Shimon forever] represents the only hope for averting a new dark age. Things, of course, went sour in Israel when the radical right wing took power in 1977, with the Menachem Begin victory. [That was right after the "Oasis Plan of the '80s." The only thing that went sour was that LaRouche opposed the Sadat-Begin peace agreement. Naturally.] CONTINUED | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 198 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
The key to the entire future of Southwest Asia and the world [this is the world we're talking about, kids, so pay attention] lies in the Shimon Peres forces in Israel aligning with like-minded circles in the Syrian leadership, to set the precedent for nuclear desalination as one key to peace. So what Lyn is out to achieve--in his name, and under his hands-on control, which is the only way it will work [There's only one item on the agenda, and you'll be surprised to learn that it's Me Me Me]--is a different polarization of interests in the region. This is war, and in real war, you fight on the battle fronts that you must fight, in order to create new favorable potentials. [Translation: Forget the housing crisis. This is your new distractor.] Command in warfare is very personal. You never win a war by committee. You never win a war by democratic means. [This is why I run this organization and you're a piece of lint on my sofa.] This is empire versus republic. There are no higher stakes. [There never are.] ... Lyn mused, with some satisfaction [you remember what that looks like—that crazed, self-satisfied glint in his eye], that it is a novelty of history that this opportunity exists. Peres's time has come. [Along with our time. Our time has come. Again.] He is at this point clearly on the right side, and we shall help him, and in the course, make the British suffer. What we are up against with the Anglo-Dutch is the same Venetian system that brought about the dark age of the 14th Century. The Venice-sponsored Lombard bankers of northern Italy were the hedge fund managers of their day. They grabbed up the money generated by the productive economy, and they put it out as war loans. Then they went out and organized the wars, to perpetuate their system--until it blew out. [Stop me, somebody! My tongue’s run away with my brain again!] Today, the Iraq war stands out as the basis for the system. The soldiers dying in Iraq are considered throw-aways. [By whom?] How do you destroy a professional army? [What professional army? These are volunteers, Lyn—or did you miss that development?] You kill it off in war. [That’s generally how you destroy an army.] The profits enjoyed by the private military corporations are just like the old British East India Company system--pure British. [Why would the “private military corporations” want to destroy the army on which they depend?] Another thing that is pure British is the gibberish coming out of many leading members of Congress, like Barney Frank, who say that the central banks and treasury ministries of the advanced countries can hyperinflate a solution to the sub-prime crisis and all will be well, once again, with the world financial system. [Oops! I almost forgot the cataclysmic collapse of the world financial system. Luckily I have my buzzwords handy. “Sub-prime” and “hyperinflate” should do the trick.] We tell these people that what some people are saying and thinking is proof of what idiots they are. The system is doomed, very soon. [Check back with me—I have the date here somewhere. I think it’s around Christmas….] We need a firewall [Don’t you love it when LaRouche learns a new word, and it appears in everything for weeks or months? So cute! Like a little kid], and only Lyn has the solution, in the form of the Homeowners and Bank Protection Act of 2007. [Just in case you’d forgotten. Unfortunately, it wasn’t passed before the end of September, so the world’s coming to an end, but at least I had the solution.And that's what counts.] | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Earnest one--I think it would be VERY useful if you would write up the true history of Winstar, since it is one of LaRouche's perennial rant-objects (as opposed to thought-objects). Members and "periphery" and ex-members--Boomers and yutes--are always reading about it in the briefing or someplace, and no one has a clue what LHL is talking about. (He certainly doesn't.) I was filled in a little recently on things I had never known. Most interesting--and of course, it casts the LaRouche org in its customary bad light. So if you would, that kind of a write-up would be extremely valuable. Thanks | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 82 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Duplicate of the misplaced post. Eaglebeak, Yes, I will produce a definitive write-up about "Winstar". ("Is it a bird, or a plane… or a locust?") In general, I have very little "inside" information about how the world works. But I am VERY well positioned to explain Winstar: I have considerable inside info, as I was at "ground zero" for years. And, of course, I can explain why LaRouche "went" insane about it all. His recent remarks are demonstrable lies. I have my hands full, truly, with a few other things, but should post something substantial by the middle-end of next week. It should be quite entertaining, and informative -- the story is wild. Yes! Something definitive should be placed on the public record. And Lyn: Call off the FROGMEN -- give me a chance to be One with God -- a chance to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. | ||
| kheris Intermediate Member Username: kheris Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.197.202.198 |
Passed a LarouchePAC shrine outside the Jewel on State St. There were 2 guys manning it, one looked to be in his 30s. He called out to me to impeach Cheney and I responded, let's investigate Duggan's death first. He said - good idea, and I shot back with Yeah, starting with Schiller. I left him standing with his jaw hanging. Don't know why they picked that corner, not my idea of a great place, but they apparently have cornered the paper market. The table was stacked high with copies of stuff. I had my hands full so couldn't stop to investigate further. | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
ALERT: New "forecast" from Chuck (CBS): He talked with a "very important/powerful" person today and everything is coming down on noon, October 11th. The dollar will fall to ZERO at high noon. BTW: He wants PITA bread for the package I plan to send him on the 16th. This is my backup plan in the "unlikely" event that high noon on 10/11/07 fails to produce the breakdown crisis of galactic proportions and the $=0 scenario does not materializes by 11:59PM on October 15th. Oh, and he says that LaRouche has never been wrong with a forecast. I suggested that he think seriously about adopting a different approach (honesty!) come the 16th, as I will no longer tolerate this bullshit. It was funny for a while but for Chuck and me the "end times" are fast approaching. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 571 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Earnest one, Chuck at one time was a somebody who had something to do. The endless strain of having to go thought this Orwellian nightmare in the insular world of Larouche will break anybody down. Lets us take the WABAC machine to the last century and see what Fearless leader was writing for Chuck. Read this closely yutes and you will see that your temporary residence in Bizarro world grows more difficult each day you take this lunacy as your gospel. OK, last CENTURY 1995 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1995/hoarding.html Economic Advisory from Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. Hoarding Crisis Signals Doom of Financial System August 14, 1995 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Economist Lyndon LaRouche warns that the past several months build-up of a stampede from financial investments into hoarding of bullion, raw materials, and scarce world food-supplies, signals an imminent collapse of the world's financial system. During the recent several months, the smart money of the world's super-rich families began to move out of the "derivatives" rotted financial markets, into hoards of gold bullion, prime-quality raw materials, and increasingly scarce world food supplies. This was prompted by the recognition of the fact that a general, unstoppable collapse of the world's monetary and financial systems was in progress. The failure of the governments to adopt any effective plan of action for dealing with that collapse, at the recent Halifax monetary conference, prompted accelerated movement into hoarding. The lunatic decision of the U.S. Federal Reserve System's Greenspan, among others, to adopt the same reflationary approach as the doomed Reichsmark-system adopted in 1922-1923, accelerated the stampede. During the past two weeks, the stampede into two areas, gold bullion and metals such as tin and aluminum, broke the equivalent of the "sound barrier" in the Tokyo and London markets. Hoarding of increasingly scarce world food-supplies proceeds more quietly, but massively, through such massive speculators as Archer Daniels Midland's Bush ally, and Clinton adversary, Dwayne Andreas. LaRouche has warned repeatedly, that the flight into hoarding shows the true opinion among the powerful families gathered around the Anglo-Dutch financier oligarchy. They have taken to the lifeboats, at the same time that the Wall Street Journal lies to the rest of the passengers, the suckers, by assuring them that the financial Titanic is not sinking. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 572 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Last CENTURY 1996 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1996/mlk_day_speech.html LaRouche: 'Economic System Is Near Death' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a commemorative meeting to honor Martin LutherKing, Jr. sponsored in Washington, D.C., Jan. 16, 1996 by the EIR News Service, Democratic presidential primary candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. called on Americans, to lead the world out of a doomed and dying global financial system. We've come to a time," LaRouche said, "in which the world civilization is about to disintegrate," and is very near its death. "Nothing can prevent [its death] or prolong its life. The only question is: Will nations go to disaster with it?" In order to prevent that, LaRouche said, humanity requires, first, a clear conception of what the problem is, and second, a clear conception of the solution. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 573 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Last CENTURY 1997 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1997/globaloney_is_over.html Not only is the Second Great World Depression of the century fully on; like the 1930s, thoughout most of todays world, the spreading, leading new phenomena are an overlay of political mass inurgencies against IMF, or Maastricht austerity, added to the already ongoing, increasingly powerful, waves after waves of financial earthquakes. Meanwhile, inside the U.S., a false, but temporary political calm prevails on the surface. Underneath that deceptive calm, a massive political eruption is building up. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 574 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Last Century Mid year 1997 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1997/lhl_time_running_out.html At any time, soon, the second big financial blow of 1997 will bring a new round of temporary panic into financial markets around the world. If it has not already arrived by the time you read this report, you may expect it to arrive, soon. There are reasons to expect this next round to be worse than the blows which began to pummel financial markets this past mid-March. The question is: is this up-coming, next downturn likely to be "The Big One," that sinks the international financial system? That is a possibility, but, I tend to believe that relevant institutions could, and will contain the next crunch before it reaches the point of detonating the "Big One." How soon should we expect the "Big One"? Or, is that the wrong question? During the recent weeks, most of those highly-placed sources, with whom EIR is in frequent discussion of these matters, have expressed agreement with my estimate, that the next international financial crunch is due soon, and that, when it strikes, it will be much worse than the crunch which hit beginning mid-March. A significant number of high-ranking sources, have made similar forecasts, independently of my own. Any reader who has had the opportunity to scan the news media of key countries in Eurasia during recent weeks, would have encountered published statements showing that highly placed insiders are warning of an oncoming financial downturn much worse than that which blew over a couple months back. Meanwhile, an increasing number from relevant circles are coming to share my estimate, that the present international financial system will be extinct before the turn of the century. My point has been, that there is no way we can stop the international financial {Titanic} from sinking; but, that we can, and must act to save the passengers, before they go down with the doomed ship. The passengers we must pull off the sinking ship, are the United States, and other nations, and their people. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 575 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Last Century 1998 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1998/lar_no_bailout_2517.html This interview appeared in the April 24, 1998 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. Interview: Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. There Is No Possible Bail-out of the World Financial System From an "EIR Talks" radio interview on April 14. The interviewer is Tony Papert. Therefore, we're up to a situation where there's no possible bail-out. And this merger mania is more a reflection of this process than it is a remedy for it. Some people are saying the big mergers of banks are an alternative to the collapse. That's not true. The big mergers are a reflection of the conditions which are leading to this collapse, and people involved in these banking institutions are going into mergers, simply under these kinds of pressures. Now, in any sort of levelling off of the rate of financial growth, you get into a situation where you continue to pump money into the system to try to keep the markets up--what's being done, for example, with Japan, what's being done, on a less intense level, in Wall Street, that is, the Wall Street stock exchange boom is a complete bubble. It's lunacy. Anybody who thinks that's prosperity, is the kind of guy who'd jump out of a balloon at 11,000 feet without a parachute. It's lunacy. There's no sense to it. But at the point that someone realizes the threat to the financial system of continuing to pump liquidity into propping up the bubble, or to just decide it's not there anymore, or the hyperinflationary pressure gets too great, then they set into motion, immediately, automatically, a highly leveraged reverse financial leverage implosion. Now, under these conditions, which we're verging very close to right now, the only solution is for governments to declare payments on the $130-odd trillion equivalent to be suspended, under bankruptcy reorganization arrangements. That is, the government puts the banking system, the financial system into bankruptcy reorganization, and freezes all transfers of payments, on account of this $130 to 140 trillion. Only if that is done, can you prevent a general blow-out of the banking system, including the entirety of the U.S. banking system. That means everybody's bank. It means their savings, it means their checking account, it means everything. To prevent that from happening, the government must step in, put the entire Federal Reserve System and its ancillaries, direct or indirect, into financial bankruptcy reorganization: no transfers of funds based on these categories of obligations. Freeze it! Essentially, we're never going to pay the money anyway. these things are just going to be written off the books, they'll vanish. We're going to try to defend things that must be defended instead. But, that's the situation. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 576 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Last century 1999 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1999/lar_can_you_survive_2630.html It is possible, that you and your neighbors might, personally, survive the epoch-shattering crisis now rushing down upon us all. The question is not, "Whether my money can survive?" The question is, "Will you and your family survive?" In other words, that means, "Will I, my family, and our government, come out of this mess with the political power needed to create the needed new money-system, to replace the hopelessly bankrupt old one, the instant the crash of the present world system occurs?" People who ask the latter question, are sane; those who ask, "Then, where do I invest my money?" are probably not sane--at least, not at the present moment; we hope their mental health might be improved by aid of what I report here. There are three things which you must know, if you are going to qualify as a potential survivor: Why the global financial crash is now inevitable, and soon. Why the world is now overripe for the biggest bust in history, about now. How you and the United States economy might survive the crash. You must recognize and reject those popular delusions, those which have caused nearly all of you to continue to be fooled into acting as if you were political supporters of that mass financial lunacy which allowed this collapse of the system to become inevitable. 1. Why the crash is inevitable Ask yourself, "Why is this crash inevitable?" There are two parts to the answer to that question. First, in theory, an uncontrolled crash might have been prevented--last September-October, for example, if the President of the U.S.A., acting in cooperation with a significant number of other perfectly sovereign nation-states, were to have put the present international financial and monetary system, suddenly, into government-controlled bankruptcy reorganization............. The crash is already on That financial crash of which we are speaking, is already here. Up to this moment of writing, there have been many recent crashes, including that of June 10-11, 1999. The new period of global financial collapse, which began with the outbreak of the Brazil crisis (which fools claim that George Soros helped to prevent), never stopped. It has taken the form of a series of increasingly frequent financial crises. So far, overall, the new round of collapse of the world financial system which erupted in February 1999, has not yet assumed the form which people commonly associate with their more or less distorted image of the 1929 stock-market crash. Nonetheless, the real crash is already here. It has been here since February 1999........ Soon, that will change. At some point soon, you will recognize that we have reached a condition comparable to the verge of the Autumn 1923 disintegration of the Weimar Germany Reichsmark. When that comes, it is more likely to erupt in a form recognizable as more of a "nuclear-style meltdown," than the so-called "1929 style" of crash. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 577 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Year 2000 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/2711_webcast_excerpts.html We're headed now, as I've said before, and we're on the edge of it still, for the worst financial crisis in more than 100 years, probably worse than in several hundred years. It's going to hit very soon, it's rumbling. We're in the phase-shift, or terminal phase of a phase-shift, in which this is inevitable. The only thing that is uncertain in this respect, is exactly when, and in exactly what form will the blow-out occur? It could come as a deflationary collapse, such as a Wall Street collapse; it could come as a hyperinflationary explosion; it could come through crises, social or political crises, which are triggered by this globally. Wars and so forth. But very soon, it's going to hit the U.S. population with the equivalent of what we experienced on Dec. 7, 1941, with the bombing of Pearl Harbor. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 578 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2001 A Lyn Odyssey to Russia Lyndon LaRouche: I shall address three subtopics at one time: That is, the nature of the collapse; second, the possibilities of action to correct the effects of the collapse; and, thirdly, the indications now, of the possibilities that a successful transformation can be made. The present world financial crisis is in its terminal phase. We can not predict the exact day on which the collapse will occur, because it will depend upon certain political decisions, which will accelerate or delay the point of actual collapse. But, the collapse is inevitable. The world financial system, the world monetary system, in its present form, will soon cease to exist, period. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 579 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2002 The end of a popular Delusion? http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2905econ_delusion.html The economic collapse so induced, is not merely an economic collapse. It is not something the "outside world" has thrust upon us. It is a product of the delusion working from inside the minds of most of the population of the United States itself. What we are experiencing, is not an intrusion by unwanted events. It is a product of what have become our population's widely accepted beliefs. Therefore, what you are suffering today is, taken all together, the experience of living inside the f*g end of a popular delusion........................... All in all, this will look to some like a new world economic depression, like that of 1929-1933. In fact, it is much worse than was experienced in such places as the U.S.A., Canada, or Europe during the 1930s. Presently, if we put the special cases of Russia, China, and India to one side for the moment, most of the world has clearly entered the beginning-phase of what some early Twentieth-Century economists discussed under the academic heading of an hypothetical general breakdown-crisis. Quantitative and Qualitative Recovery Measures When compared to today's crisis, the depression of the 1930s seems relatively a problem of more sharply reduced quantity of economic activity. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 580 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2003 When the LYM was born http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2003/3001jan_crisis.html The Weeks of Crisis Before Us by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. This statement was released by the LaRouche in 2004 Presidential campaign committee on January 1, 2003. We have reached the point at which the institutions of the states of the Americas and Europe will either end their hysterical denials of economic reality, or those nations which have not already plunged into an already accelerating process of disintegration will begin to do so very soon. The statistic left hanging on the drooping Christmas trees sends a simple, plain message. The world in general has now been plunged already into the greatest economic depression since 1929-1932. Up to now, the Congress and Presidency have shown no interest in any actually competent measures for dealing with that reality. This present world depression was no surprise to me, nor to anyone who paid attention to my published record as the world's most successful long-range economic forecaster. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 581 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2003 Lyn knows the LYM will be coming from homes with "issues" http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2003/3007cadre_sch.html A `No-Future' World Your generation, as well as those among your parents' generation, who are still alive and viable, are confronted by the fact that your parents' generation gave you a no-future world. There's no way you can make a deal with this culture, which prevails today. No way. Because you can't survive! This culture cannot deliver you the means to survive. And you know from the broken-home background that your parents' generation created, in large degree, what kind of a psychological hell it makes for your generation. How many mothers and fathers do you have, officially on the record, known and unknown? I mean, that's the condition of this generation, your generation................................... On the other hand, a youth movement which is qualified to play a leading role, in renewing the society, will save the society, if there's the right leadership. Now, my job is to ensure that the youth movement has the right leadership. Because, without a youth movement, even though I may be the smartest man in America, particularly on these kinds of issues, I can do nothing by myself. It's a youth movement which can strike the preceding generation, and revive them, and touch their conscience, which will enable this revival of the United States to occur | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 582 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2004 Back in Roanoke, a place familiar to Lyn. Get the transcripts yutes. http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2004/3107roanoke_radio.html 'A Very Severe Monetary Crisis' LaRouche, on Roanoke, Virginia public radio station WVTF on Feb. 9, laid out his unique approach to the dollar crisis, to questions by news anchor Fred Echols: Q: Mr. LaRouche, what issues are being left out of this campaign, as it's being covered by the national media? LaRouche: ...The thing which is of larger dimensions than even the war issue, is the fact that we're on the verge of the greatest financial collapse in modern history. It's now onrushing, despite the phony talk about growth, coming out of Washington. This means two things, first of all, which I think Bob Rubin and some others in the Democratic Party would accept: that we're on the verge of a very severe monetary crisis. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 583 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2005 THE Great Crash of 2005 http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2005/3209pres_conf_kynote.html This presentation appears in the March 4, 2005 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. The Great Crash of 2005 by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. Here is Lyndon LaRouche's keynote address at the International Caucus of Labor Committees/Schiller Institute annual Presidents' Day conference on Feb. 20, 2005. "Some people wonder why, at my not-really-venerable age, that I sometimes do the things I do, which they suggest might be left to younger people. And the rude answer I give to that, is, younger people are not qualified to do what I have to do. My response is, that we are at the last chance to save civilization from Hell, a last chance which I have been forecasting with accuracy over several decades, and most emphatically, since the period 1968-1971, and there are some alive in this room today, who can remember that. That the system is finished. The United States saved the world, under Roosevelt—otherwise we'd been in Hell a long time ago." Now read this yutes, you are being prepared to not notice the past of the cult and to gloss over history. "The Real Nazis" "Now, Nazism was not people wearing swastikas in brown shirts or black shirts. Nazism was a creation of a group of international bankers, like Felix Rohatyn today, and his co-thinkers today; like the co-thinkers of the Bush Administration in economic policy today. Notably like George Shultz, who qualifies, really, as a kind of Schacht of the United States: a real Nazi, a real banker behind Nazism, as Schacht was a banker behind Nazism in Europe." Look again yutes as to what Lyn is doing here. Rememeber, he knows this is a cult and you do not. "Look into the future, and say, "I know what the future holds." You have to know that. It has to be the truth. And once you know that is the truth, you have to act accordingly, whatever the short-term risks to the contrary are implied. If you do not believe in truth, then you're incapable of immortality; you're incapable of a sense of what you would be willing to die for. And, if you don't have a commitment to a sense of what you would be willing to die for, what positive purpose, you have no morality; you are only a sophist, a sycophant of popular opinion. And that's what I've had to fight against, even in the generation of Baby Boomers in our own association. Now, knowing this, and knowing the crisis we were coming into, I seized upon the opportunity to initiate a formal youth movement. You will observe in the formal youth movement, crucial elements which reflect my knowledge of the access to immortality: I can offer these youth nothing. We don't have any money. I can offer them nothing, except immortality: Access to immortality." Ok yutes, you read in the beginning how Lyn thinks about Nazis. Here is the tail end of your conference. "Why Did Hitler Persecute the Jews? You know, one thing about it, is the Jewish issue. Take the case of Hitler. Why did Hitler persecute the Jews the way he did? It wasn't his own idea. It was the idea of the famous, or infamous, Grand Inquisitor of Spain in 1492, on the Expulsion of the Jews...................... And what happened under Hitler, to the Jews in Germany and occupied territories, was simply a continuation of the legacy of Grand Inquisitor Tomás de Torquemada, and of the Spanish Catholic right wing. They were not the authors of fascism, but they were the tools of fascism, as Schiller refers to this, as Helga dealt with it yesterday. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 584 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2006 Iran is not a problem, the coming crash is. http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2006/3311berlin_private.html This presentation appears in the March 17, 2006 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. LaRouche: Iran Is Not the Problem; We Must Defeat Globalization Here are Lyndon LaRouche's remarks to a private seminar in Berlin, Germany on March 6, 2006. Major Financial Crisis Under Way "However, it goes much beyond that. At this time, we have already a major financial crisis under way, in terms of hedge funds, in terms of the things that happened in Iceland and New Zealand and so forth, and the world in general is going through a financial-economic crisis, headed toward a general collapse" | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 585 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2006 April and September is THE month yutes http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2006/3317weimar.html "World System on Weimar Collapse Curve by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. April 20, 2006 The fakery of the outgoing Alan Greenspan administration, in burying the "M3" report, was clearly intended to conceal the fact that the rate of rate of increase of world prices of primary materials has the world as a whole currently on the same kind of "least-action pathway" curve of hyperinflation which gripped Weimar Germany during the second half of the year 1923. Comparing the present rates of rates of increase of primary materials prices with the pattern for Germany 1923, indicates the likelihood that, under present U.S. and European policies, the world system could reach a point of collapse of the monetary system by not much later than September 2006, if not earlier." | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 586 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
2007 Now you can't predict anything http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2007/3424rules_survival.html This article appears in the June 15, 2007 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. The Rules of Survival by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. May 24, 2007 "As I have repeatedly warned over the past decades, there are no "crystal balls" in any competent form of economics. There is no possible mathematical system, as such, which could predict the date the present world monetary system would crash. In every relevant crisis, there is a certain margin of free will, but only a margin. Therefore, forecasting must rely on a combination of two kinds of forecasting methods, which we must combine as one. 1.) "Mathematically," we should recognize that phase of the world system in which the economy was currently operating. For example, in 1998-2000, we had already entered what I had foreseen, in my 1995-1996 presentation of my "Triple Curve" schematic, as the area in which the detonation was ripe to occur, unless we acted as I had proposed, to stop it by a return to the model, of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Bretton Woods system. However, that presented us only the broad parameters of both the timing of the crisis, and its remedy. 2.) However, we can observe the relevant current state of voluntary disposition of relevant individuals and social strata, to •••••• whether or not the relevant institutions are actually on the verge of behavior which probably would, or would not trigger, or delay an already existing potential economic collapse, as now. In Autumn 1998, action led by the Clinton Administration, postponed a general financial collapse which was already in progress then; but, the bills to be paid for that bail-out, have been piling up, with interest added, ever since, including the added, monstrous costs of Vice-President Dick Cheney's and Tony Blair's lying to us to get us into a seemingly permanent and also hopeless Mideast war. Now, from the standpoint of the financial system itself, the present world situation is hopeless; from that standpoint, a new dark age were now inevitable unless we change the system itself. How soon? Who knows? What we can know, is the way we have already entered the current end-phase of that inherently failed system, a system which President Richard Nixon created in 1971-1972, a system which is soon to be gone forever, in one way or another. We can know the degree of ripeness for a crash, which is presently awful. We can •••••• the subjectively determined patterns of voluntary human behavior, which will determine whether or not a crash, already overripe in the tree, will be triggered, or delayed." Gee, did Chuck read this one? Did he read the last 12 years of what I just posted here? | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 587 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Let me ask the yutes how many times have they seen "The Triple Curve" of Lyn's? http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1998/lar_forecasting/lar_forecasting_1.gif One day, just see what happens when you plug in real numbers from the US economy and then see what the graph looks like. We have, and it aint what you think and explains why after several shots or bottles of Rhingau you see a triple curve. Another thing yutes. In reading all of these articles I found something pretty consistant over the DECADES by Lyn. Lyn uses the following cheap Parlor Trick on you (and many of us here). If you read any business section of a major international and US newspaper and/or magazine every year, a major bankruptcy takes place and/or reorganization of a company which has severe financial problems occurs. What Lyn often does is include THAT collapse and/or refinancing in his writings to state the the collapse is on because of that. The same patttern emerges where a chain reaction is to occur and the whole world economy is doomed, doomed I tell you. What you yutes have not caught on is that the shut down and bankruptcy of that business is part of what prevents further collapse, bad debt and uses the market to correct bad management, risks and failures of a business plan. In Lyn's world, you would not be reading this on an LCD flat panel via an Apple or HP, Dell etc, but on a Sinclair or Kaypro computer with a 9 inch B/W CRT monitor. I bet going back to 1974 with Lyn would have him doing the same thing with the Penn Central bankruptcy . We do this yutes so others from messed up homes do not have to rely on lyn as their father and Barbara as their mother with Chuck being the long lost cousin, hidden away. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 588 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Yutes, please help us in carrying out Lyn's directive of "Ending our Delusions". I was going to start the the beginnng date of what Chuck has been reading from 1974, howver, not everything is on the web yet. Please, please, please I beg you to put everything you can on the web for us to use to educate everyone around the world about this endless parade of charade. Here is nother clue for the yutes and others to see how Lyn uses cheap parlor tricks on drop outs and yutes from homes with "issues". If you go back to the first calamity in 1974 or so to the present day, what Lyn does is this. He will take any new economic tool, method or financial device and declare it to incoming yutes as to be THE reason for the regular economic collapse. In other words, in the 1970s when floating currencies were in the news, THAT was the boogeyman. Maybe the yutes do not understand that for every tourist who goes abroad complaining about a lower value dollar, there is an incoming tourist who is happy as well as an exporter who now finds USA made exports more competetive in pricing. Yutes, try to research why most countries do not want extremely high values in exchange rates for their currencies. Now as we progress we find that Lyn has scared everyone about the stock market, the bond market, the CMO market, junk bonds, mergers, derivatives, hedge funds, municipal financing, IRAs and 401Ks, liquidity in investments, banks, leveraged buy outs, futures, downsizing , outsourcing, globalization, digital economy, dot.com, the consumer economy and probably a host of other finanancial terms used since he started this whole Bizarro cult. It really jumped out at me that whenever a new term becomes part of the lexicon of the culture, Lyn has to immediately make that the new boogeyman for yutes every year. All of this leads to the final collapse where the New Dark Ages is waiting in the wings. If you ever attended old National Conferences you will remember Lyn attacking Jewish members for having sterotypical mothers who want to keep them safe from the outside world. Lyn , in effect is not the world's greatest economist, but the world's greatest yenta who spends every minute of every day warning his "children" or yutes if you will about how dangerous the outside world is. It is so dangerous that you need to be protected from all of this and it is so complex that only he can interpret it for you. Yutes, you will all be ending up like Chuck in this cargo cult of Lyn's. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 84 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
XLCR, Now my head hurts. Thanks a lot... "This is your brain. This is your brain on Lyn/LYM/WLYM". Soon Yutes will be eating Chuckles for breakfast. Soylent Green: It's people too! | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 394 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Exactly what the doctor ordered! Thanks, xlcr. So much for any claim that LaRouche is any kind of successful forecaster. If one carefully considers the foregoing, how could one possibly continue to support Lyndon LaRouche in any way, shape, or form? One would have to be entirely out of one's mind. earnest_one, is that noon Eastern Standard Time? Just want to be certain so that I may call CBS at 12:01 and ask, "What's up, Chuck?" (pun intended.) Of course, by then I predict the old man will take the coward's way out like his hero Adolf and just off himself. I mean, imagine the embarrassment of claiming to be this great intellect and economist and continually forecasting events which almost never come true. It's enough to drive one to despair and sleeping pills. | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 85 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Sancho, Yes, sorry... I was a little punch drunk after reading XLCR's "summary". With CBS I have started to be really careful. I now nail down the exact "forecast." Here is the deal: On 10/11/07, the High Noon event is scheduled for 12:00PM in the Eastern Standard Time Zone (EST). Note that the collapse has been moved up. The prior forecast was "by or on 10/15/07, 11:59PM EST, at the VERY latest". I'll give him till 12:01 AM on the 16th, just to be fair (I'm a humanitarian). Align your clocks, kids. The dollar is going to ZERO. Either that or Lyn will redefine what zero really means... Perhaps a "floating" zero... (Hey -- but that's a pretty good definition of Lyn!) | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 143 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.225.156.215 |
I always love those articles where Lyn pontificates that his predictions are in line with some highly placed world leader or financial figure, but he never mentions any names or produces any citations, but these people know that LaRouche is absolutely right about his financial collapse predictions. Who are these members of the inner elite that he always refers to but never names (for fear that they will be assassinated I suppose). His allusions to these individuals reminds me of the old X-Files series where Fox Mulder would receive some crucial intelligence from some member of the inner cabal suppressing evidence about extra-terrestrial contacts over a meeting in some park in Georgetown, D.C. Perhaps Lyn's actual inside source is the "Marlboro Man." (I'm not sure if the Yutes will get the reference but they can google it.) And more particularly disgusting is how LaRouche continues to promote the despicable nonsense that only the British (and the Jews) are responsible for Naziism, that the German people had nothing to do with it. | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 144 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.225.156.215 |
Where is the hyperinflationary collapse? Granted the US $ has gone down to the level of the Canadian dollar which used to be worth less than 3/4 of the American dollar. But that hardly constitutes a global crisis that will rock the world's financial system to its core. Perhaps his good friends in China will start dumping US Treasury notes or buying Euros (which Lyn has called a worthless currency as well in his writings, probably because it violates his notion of national sovereignty), but in his world view China is among the good guys in the world, along with Assad of Syria, the rulers of Sudan who are just being maligned by the Anglo-Dutch conspiracy and of course the sundry other dictators in the Arab world that he proposes Israel will be signing peace treaties with. In LaRouche's Strike Wave Campaigner, he predicted the deaths of millions of people because of a global breakdown in food production. This was in the 70s! | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 395 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Wow, this is what I call organizing! Two floating zeros greet two world leaders: http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/09/29/two-ibero-american-presidents-welcomed-u-s-larouche-movement.html They handed them stuff! Go get 'em, yutes! In an interview available on You Tube, the physicist Steven Weinberg says that as a physicist he has developed "the habit of truth" and is therefore dismissive of theistic claims. If you are a believer in Lyndon LaRouche, try developing the habit of truth and see how long your admiration lasts for this demonstrable liar, fake, phony, and fraud - as well as thief, thug, and convicted felon. | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 201 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Someone should tell CBS that on that day (Oct. 11, 2007), it will not be Eastern Standard Time, it will still be Eastern Daylight Time. Can't LaRouche get anything right? | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 86 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Hey, the dollar is going to ZERO and you are worried about the exact hour it hits bottom! Give CBS a break. He is drinking heavily these days and barely knows the time of day let alone the zero hour of the zero arrival. Besides, this is the zero to end all zeros. 100 trillion wheelbarrows of super crisp cash will not buy you a loaf of bread. It will probably be televised. People will blog about it. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 589 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Ernest1, send this emergency briefing generated by the Larouche memo generator to Chuck and see if he notices . ************************************************* A7-40-1/BFG001]:BFG:L: ][06:1 ]AM BRIEFING, ENGLISH +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | MORNING BRIEFING | | | | | Sunday, September 30, 2007 | | | | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ TO:ALL POINTS BY: LYNDON H. LAROUCHE, JR. INTERNAL MEMORANDUM We are now facing a potential new dark age. We must address that problem comprehensively and take the economic factors that portends into account. At this point, the only action which would provide a visibly fair chance of preventing World War III, is the President's neutralizing his Vice-President's freedom of action, and firing Donald Duck's accomplices on the Principals' Committee. How boring! Had Donald Duck been paying attention to reality, he would have given serious thought to key statements I had just previously published. The United Kingdom is operating currently below the breakeven level of tangible output : it is in fact gutting the constant capital of its industrial sector and infrastructure, in the effort to keep the decaying British economy from internal collapse. Treat economic processes in their respect as an efficient interrelationship between man and nature. So, we have to go to another dimension. The added factor which makes a new World War possible, even perhaps probable during the years ahead, is the recent, sickening chant of 'Peace' by the governments and news-media of the transatlantic alliance. One is reminded of the wide-spread delusion of peace in our time, back during Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's 1938 and early 1939. We can save the economy, we can do it with government intervention. We can stop this thing. The conception must be sensuously actualized. So, during the period from the sixth century into the latter fourth century B.C., a gigantic conflict raged between the allies of Amon and his forces and allies of the Babylonian Magi. But Classical composition is important to us, whereas Romantic is not. This is absolutely the key to the present situation. The principal cesspool from which this corruption pours into society in general, is popular culture. This has been going on as a trend, which we resisted in the post-war period. The ugly secret of the matter is that Donald Duck is almost totally sexually impotent. So therefore, you say, 'It is self-evident!' What does it mean, 'self-evident'? The reality we face, is that unless we eradicate the power of Satanism from our society, this society is not going to survive. And what I raised Thursday, by using the example of the orbit of the discovery of gravitation by Kepler, as an example of the role of the infinitesimal: It is this conception of the infinitesimal, as applied more broadly, and the notion of principles of organization of society, as based on understanding of these infinitesimals, that is where the hopeful future of mankind lies. ---30--- | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 590 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
The LIM generator. This has to be one of the greatest breakthroughs in dynamis science so far, this century. http://laroucheplanet.info/memo_engine/nonsense_lhl.htm Who, who, who could have predicted such a technolgy would have come faster than a working fusion power plant? Upon rereading Lyn's forecasting, maybe he is forecasting his ultimate death. Just reread those posts and use the phrase 'My eventual collapse and death of my cult system" and it becomes pretty spooky. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 87 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
That is an "uplifting" memo, XLCR. Thanks for the laughs. No wonder LAR rants against Jonny von Neumann and Norbert Weiner. I'll print it out and include it with the bread I send Chuckles on the 16th. Bread, water, and machine generated LaRouchian nonsense. CBS will be thrilled to (still) have the staples of life. | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 143 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
OK, we're gradually getting there, a complete, or nearly complete, compendium of all the LaRouche "the end is nigh" economic forecasts that have never been wrong, as well as never been right, that I proposed last month we attempt to assemble. Thanks, xlcr, for your research, which, incredibly, didn't repeat a single forecast that I came up with in my stroll down memory lane a few days ago covering in part the same time period--find it near the end of LaRouche Continued 2 for any of you who've joined us in the last few days, under the title of "Deja Vu All Over Again, and Again, and Again." So yours and mine need to be meshed at some point into a single document listing them all to provide an increasingly complete sequence from the mid-1990s to the present. Courtesy of LaRouchepub and LaRouchepac. And of course, try to work backwards as we can come up with the documents. My favorite is still the one from the July 25, 1995 EIR, where he first states "That system is about to go out of existence. The worst financial collapse of the Twentieth Century could erupt within as soon as weeks, or, in the unlikely case, the disintegration of the system could be postponed until as late as early 1997." Then, referring to this forecast, a few sentences later he says "The present writer has forecast just this danger--repeatedly, consistently, and accurately--during the past 30 years;" Can you believe that the world's greatest economist, and history's grestest intellect in several hundred years, if not ever, has just penned such a self-condemning idiocy, that a crash that is obviously a one-time event, the "worst financial crash of the twentieth century," has been predicted by "this writer" not once, not twice, but "repeatedly...during the past 30 years," and that over these same thirty years, every one of these repeated preductions of a one-time event (that is still to happen even once) has always been "accurately" predicted. The mind reels, as the body gasps for air. Truly stunning. I don't have the documentation for this one, if anyone does, please post it, but I remember it very, very clearly. Barings Bank declared bankruptcy on Feb. 25, 1995, which was at the end of the week. The New Fed for the following Monday or Tuesday proclaimed that the big "crash to end all crashes" was on, as did that day's briefing. The WGE's reasoning: this was the oldest surviving British Bank, the original premier bank of the British monarchy, and, at least he thought, still their bank. The logic was impeccable. Clearly, in light of its history, if it fell, the end was near and inevitable. By the next issue of New Fed that Friday (it was still being published twice a week, which beats not once a year today) it had fallen off the front pages, and the briefing was talking about how the other shoe had yet to drop. When it never did, this whole episode was quickly dropped from coverage. Of course, Barings was a relatively quite small bank on the world stage, and no one but the WGE anywhere in the world thought its bankrputcy, caused by an idiot named Nick Leeson who bet on the speculative side of some Asian stock indices consistently for 3 years, meant anything to the rest of the financial system. Hmmm. It seems, I hate to break it to you, Mr. LaRouche, but on this one, at least, all the other economists of the world got it right, and you got it, well, wrong. There's just no other word for it. | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 144 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
I need to also mentin that I was actually shocked at the item xclr quoted from from the March 4, 2005 EIR, on his, as far as I am aware, totally new take on Hitler and Jews, wherein he blamed Tomas de Torquemada, the 15th century Grand Inquisitor under Isabella and Ferdinand, who was in that post when the Jews were expelled from newly reconquered Spain, for Hitler's view on Jews. I literally had to look this one up for myself (and by the way, xclr's link doesn't work because he has an extra "http//" at the beginning that must be deleted, so the correct link is http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2005/3209pres_conf_kynote.html. I presume this means that all anti-semitism since 1492 has the same mother. The pogroms of Russia, all the incidents of anti-semitism in many countries of Europe from that time to the present, Richard Wagner, I imagine, must have been a follower of Torquemada, and so. How can he continually make such monumentally stupid, lying, historically absurd, statements, and get away with it. There is definitely something very deep in his psyche about Judaism and the Jews. It's just not at all your garden variety anti-semitism, but boy, is it weird!! | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 145 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
On the triple curve, which you comment on, xlcr, this is a real hoot, as you point out. Actually, time was when they did attempt to put real numbers to it. I have to dredge up where I saw this, a few days ago, but about five years ago they tried to put some numbers to the graph. I think they used "M3" for the monetary curve, and some figure for total debt for the debt curve, and for the "collapsing" real production curve--they used the absolute number of manufacturing workers, which declined, but only very slightly in their graph. Since nothing in the article suggested they considered the productive work force to be an actual output of the manufacturing process, one has to assume they couldn't find any figures that actually showed a decline in any important manufacturing output category. Sure enough, that's the reality. Productivity--that's physical output per worker--has been rising so steadily and so sharply, that it has significantly outpaced the rate of decline in the manufacturing workforce, such that total manufacturing output, by any measure, has increased almost every year for the past 25 years. Not as fast as if the percentage of the workforce in manufacturing had remained constant, but still a steady increase. So, the triple curve would show, with real numbers, a significant, perhaps even worrying, but not astronomical, rise in measures of money and debt, and a somewhat more slowly rising curve for real production. Not quite the scenario this ridiculous, measureless, unitless meaningless graph is trotted out to illustrate. | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 146 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
Oh, this may come as a shock to some of us, it certainly surprised me, but Lyndon H. LaRouche is no FDR. At least not on the issue of banks, bankruptcies, and foreclosures, that he is now claiming to be copying. I decided, on a hunch, to look up what FDR actually did, both on the banks, and on foreclosures. I found the following: FDR was sworn in on a Saturday, and issued a proclamation declaring a bank holiday that Monday, March 6, to last for four days, until a special session of Congress, to convene on March 9, could consider the measure and extend it. FDR, unlike LaRouche, knew he needed a legal basis for this, and it was provided for in a 1918 amendment to the Trading with the Enemy Act which gave the President the power to limit or stop all hoarding of gold, and of shipping it out of the country. Since this was happening as one aspect of the runs on the banks, it was not only legal, but the mechanism had been known to Hoover, who was about to do the same thing himself. Also, earlier in February, states had begun closing their banking systems and by the time of FDR's inauguration, about 20 states already had banking holidays. When Congress met, it extended the bank holiday indefinitely, and also passed a bill mandating how the holiday was to be ended, which process had to begin immediately. Banks were classified by which ones were thought to be the soundest, and they were opened first, almost immediately, and then a second tier were allowed to open, and lastly the weakest banks. The point was to restore confidence, so that people would stop trying to take their money out of the banks. And the prohibition on withdrawing gold was maintained, and the U.S. soon officially went off the gold standard. Within a few weeks, all banks were back in business, and the immediately crisis ended. Independent of that was the foreclosure crisis, which hit farmers especially hard, and of course about one third of households were still farmers back then. A provision providing for issuance of bonds by the Federal land banks and the purchase and refinancing of farm mortgages was added to the farm bill passed in May. Mortgage relief for the middle class was provided by the creation of the Home Owners Loan Corporation authorized to raise $2 billion in bonds, in order to buy mortgages from banks that were in serious arrears--the HOLC refinanced them at a 5% rate and allowed 15 years to repay. So, very simply, Roosevelt dealt with the crisis of mortgages that people couldn't pay in basically exactly the same way that the Congress is now trying to respond, by empowering the FHA to take over some mortgages, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to also take over a lot of mortgages. Any similarity between this and what LaRouche is proposing in his HBPA is imaginary. There is also no similarity between LaRouche's proposal to bankrupt the financial system, bankrupt the Fed, and issue huge amounts of credit. FDR created the Public Works Administration in 1933 which employed lots of people building public works, and the Works Projects Administration in 1935 which did similar kinds of projects, but both were funded by tax dollars--Roosevelt was obsessed with maintaining a balanced budget, and the last thing he was willing to do was just go out and create credit. I know this will be news to most of you reading this, but "LHL, you ain't no FDR." | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 88 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
What happened to the LYM trolls? Where are the "vigorous" responses to the fine historical analyses of XLCR and LaroucheTruth? Oh, these halcyon days... | ||
| howie Member Username: howie Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 66.206.87.117 |
Hm. You never know what will be thrust out there. The Spartacist League, 1969, and their issues with the Labor Committee. http://markinbookreview.blogspot.com/2007/09/sds-1969.html These days, college students are settling in for the term and the year, and are due to be greeted by the Larouchites with the mssion of fighting the evil forces behind Halo 3: http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/01/abu-ghraib-2-halo-3-and-your-mother-s-basement.html The reactions to the evidently competent, recently published LPAC exclusive “Halo 3: The ‘Third Wave’ of Destroying the U.S.”, as received by its authors in the form of “Letters to the Editor” by swarms of agitated Internet-addicts, reinforce the simple points outlined, but not understood by its relevant audience, due to certain, cumulative effects of turning over the sovereign function of creativity to a Tweener-oriented culture of “groupthink”, as typified by Ayn Rand’s Wikipedia.org. The sacrificing of one’s will to a higher commitment toward the Common Good would be appreciated by future generations. But to sacrifice one’s will to the third-wave of the counter-culture fostered by DARPA, Microsoft, BAE Systems, and the new religious revival known as the Fools of Silicon Valley, is to submit to America’s long-standing enemy—the British Empire! .......................... I'm kind of okay with Larouche not really knowing what Halo 3 is -- I don't really know beyond it being a violent video game. But after that, it's just sort of a tossed salad. Wikipedia. Is the rather bizarre reference to "Ayn Rand" (who, last I checked, died years before the advent of wikipedia) simply a slur used to denigrate anything that is not tightly controlled and centralized? | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 89 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Soylent Green is a taste “sensation” compared to recent L-PAC releases. The Pod People were taken to the wrong headquarters. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 591 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
What happened to the LYM trolls?" Ernest One, for some strange reason I think some of the yutes are goose stepping between cars in Germany while shouting "Heil Helga" . Look at what is going on here yutes. When you decided to leave college you may have thought that you are now one step closer to resolving your personal issues and enjoying creativity. No one told you about how you will be soon rewriting German history and joining Lyn in his delusions, except Lyn and us. When you signed over your lives to the cult, you take everything and you accept everything. The principal involved is "selective amnesia where you and the deadenders will filter out the lunacy and experience your veryb own delusions of creativity and accomplishment. Well, let us use the WABAC machine and see what the yutes are slowly being groomed to accept as their DNA gets spliced with Lyn's DNA. You do not see many Jews on the LC since most of them took off after raising objections about many things. We can probably assume that the current yutes (none of whom I have read or heard have ever raised objections to this history) are now very far from having any connection to WW2 and the Nazis . With this cadre Lyn prepared the yutes to accept one if his major delusions which is that Hitler was a British Agent and even more bizarre, that the Nazis were imposed on Germans by The Jews! Now in this bizarre world of delusions you are going to be swallowing more lunacy like how Germany can not be blamed for what happened since the Germans were fighting the British, who are of course the true evil in the world. This lunacy goes so far as to blame The Jews for screwing up the Germans attack on Britain because they created the Nazis to screw up the German nationalism if you follow his logic. Just try to follow what Lyn has written over the decades and your head spins with this lunacy. Virtually every member who spent some time unraveling this ended up leaving. For yutes, you have to be run around 24/7 so you never have a solitary moment to actually read and digest what you have just signed your life over for. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 592 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Yutes, everything we went through years ago is what you are being put through. Check out this masterpiece by Lyn in 1978. http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Library.HitlerRunawayBritishAgent We have showed you the words Lyn spoke to you in the 2005 conference and just last week we find Lyn saying this to you in Germany. http://http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2007/3438keynote_kiedrich_conf.html "I once had met a German general, who had been a colonel in North Africa; a distinguished fellow, a great man in international law. And at my first encounter with him, I said, "Well, General, would you agree with me that Montgomery was the worst commander in World War II?" And he answered me, and said, "Well, you can't say anything bad about Montgomery. He saved my life." He said, "I was commanding the rear guard for Rommel, in the retreat from Egypt, and if he had ever flanked me, I'd be dead!" [laughter] Well, if you know what Montgomery was, you know what he was in "[Operation] Market Garden": He prolonged the war in Europe, for over a year, by moving a First Army operation through a field where the roads couldn't carry the supporting troops to rescue the parachuters that had jumped in there! And he continued the war for a year! The war would have been over, by the end of 1944, but for Montgomery. And he was stuck in there, not only because he was a very bad general, very incompetent, but he had provided precisely that margin of incompetence that Churchill wanted: Because Churchill took out competent commanders on the British side, for fear they would help to win the war too soon. So, this is the kind of problem we faced. OK yutes, those of you left have accepted Lyn's nonsense for decades about economic collapse and you lost some brain cells with the selective amnesia. Now, you are in the process of losing some more brain cells as you slowly begin to accept his delusions about WW2, make friends with old Nazi's and maybe even work hard to host a dinner honoring some Nazi Rocket scientists who launched V1 and V 2 rockets at England which according to Lyn were no big deal. To say this is all dejavu is an understatement yutes. Maybe the next project the theater troupe will be working on will be called "Springtime for Helga" as Lyn's health deteriorates. xlcr4life@hotmail.com (Message edited by xlcr4life on October 03, 2007) (Message edited by xlcr4life on October 03, 2007) | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 145 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.125.93.18 |
What's truly amazing is that Lyn is heart-broken over the fire bombing of Dresden but says not one word about the holocaust committed against Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and others. | ||
| shadok Intermediate Member Username: shadok Post Number: 138 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 86.6.4.234 |
The After LaRouche How to attain "immortality"? In 2004 lhl wrote something very intriguying: "Look back in the course of history. Now, my particular specialty has been the history of European civilization, since the time of Solon, and the Pythagoreans and Plato. These people, and their successors later, such as Eratosthenes and Archimedes, live within me. They live within me not merely as voices I have heard, because I never heard them speak. They live within me because they made discoveries. They presented to me, the challenge of re-enacting the discoveries that they had made. Not as something I repeated because they had told me, but an act of discovery I had repeated, because they had confronted me with it, and now they live, their living creative moments of mind, live inside me, and I can give you them alive, and speaking; not in their voice, but in mine. - Something Above Life - " (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/conf-iclc/2004/labor_day/lar_immortality.html) Ok. That sounds wacky but it makes sense for certain things he was writing some years ago: on the topic of the "Brunelleschi Dome" in Florence, the "Catenary" curve (which he - erroneously - ascribed to the Dome...), the "Time Properties" of this curve (least time, same time) and... to crown it all: how larouche, by "re*-discovering" this Brunelleschi's discovery, was "affecting the past"! You have more details about this from factnet watcher B Director at http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_02-06/031_long_life_catenary.html Now, what does this all mean, is this any relevant here on this discussion board? Well, for me it indicates which route the organization might take after larouche's death. To "re-live" past discoveries (creative ideas) is, according to St Larouche, the path that would secure his (and their) immortality... Therefore, all the Kepler sessions could have another agenda: to get them used (trained?) to "re-live" discoveries of past geniuses.... like larouche himself. Like in Jesus' "Salvation", to be assured of some "immortality", one has to re-live larouche's creative genius. Thats the message he sent after Ken Kronberg's death... "The Immortality We May Share" (http://larouchepac.com/pages/otherartic_files/2007/0501_kronberg_immortality.shtml) Lar. concluded: "As long as I live, and hopefully, beyond, that banner, his banner, will remain unfurled." Ken still "lives" as long as lhl/God lives... Is then Lar the path to... eternal life? Is he the Second coming of the Messiah? Likewise, larouche would "live" as long as there are larouchites, and so forth and so on. This "connection" is via what lar calls "creative ideas" (aka discoveries/"change"/"nonlinearity" etc), which are somewhat connected to some superior transcendental Higher Spirit, whatever it is... That is the MYSTIQUE behind it all. Creativity is being hijacked away from its social, political, artistic or scientific use and is being used to secure the existence/coherence of a cult. The irony is : creativity there is NONE in this cult (or any other)... | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 90 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Quite frankly, I think the automatic memo generator produces far superior prose/content. LAR is losing the technological battle. Norbert Weiner is pummeling him. Irony double squared. Who needs creative mentation when you can simply click the mouse, again and again? | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 593 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Eureka Earnest one! Lyn's greatest fears which he used in his Beyond Psych sessions, rats, has come back to haunt him, the LYM and the deadeners. Instead of rats, Lyn now faces millions of mice clicking across the globe who do web searches of himself and the Lym and end up at web sites like Factnet.org justiceforjeremiah.com skull and bones withe Larouche Challenge Larouchewatch.com of Dennis King as well as a mystery site. The mice have a feeding frenzy when you enter "larouche and cult" Larouche and duggan" "Larouche and mind control" "Larouche and anti semitism" , Larouche and Nazi". Millions and millions of mice around the globe are being used to prove to many that their gut instinct that the LYM have emotional issues and Lyn is a cult leader are indeed true and well documented. When the slow rotting carcas of Lyn descends into his final resting place (probably a plot someone else paid for) he can enjoy how millions and millions of mice are slowly nibbling away at this whole cult of personality and side show of cheap parlor tricks and very expensive delusions. You can't stop the clicking, chewing mice Lyn. That dot com telecom collapse you yap about laid over 90 million miles of fiber optic cable across the land. Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges to show what a hoax this has all been. Predictions? We can and have predicted every cheap parlor trick you spring on the yutes. We can even use a mouse to write better briefings than you could ever dream about. They are so good that we have fooled people with them and added the cartoon names and still fooled people into thinking that they are written by you. Lyn vs the mouse is no contest yutes. The mice win. For you members from the mid 1970s, maybe this phrase "No sell can rat" is now "No sell can mouse" *hint* Chris White brainwashing caper. The LIM has replaced the LYM as Lyn's immortality yutes. http://laroucheplanet.info/memo_engine/nonsense_lhl.htm xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| kheris Intermediate Member Username: kheris Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.134.142.178 |
Evidently Howie G will be looking for a care package of bread based on his response to this post. Poor boy, hate to see him starve. | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 91 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
XLCR wrote: "When the slow rotting carcass of Lyn descends into his final resting place..." Quite amusing, truly. And I like the revenge of the mice. This has become the "cool place" to hang out, have fun, and investigate deep issues, such as "truth" (unlike that stodgy LYM site). Too bad Jeremiah et al. did not make it to enjoy our fun. But perhaps others will appear, and soon. Meantime, the clock is ticking. 10/11/07 at High Noon or 10/15/07 at 11:59PM. Let's round the latter off to midnight. High Noon or Midnight. Something for everybody. Save for a thermonuclear event (always possible) the clock will surely strike. But will the yeast rise? Let them eat bread, if not cake. Kheris: I think I'll also send a loaf to EIR headquarters. No doubt they'll consider it a "suspicious" package. But I'll include XLCR's special automated Lyn memo, posted above. Then they will recognize true genius! I'll even forward the link... | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 146 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.125.93.18 |
I do know that a former NCLC couple are bread bakers in their community and are doing very well. I think they might even ship nice fresh whole grain organic bread over the internet. Perhaps we can all chip in and order a loaf to be sent to Leesburg or DC to feed all the LYM members. However, I can't promise any miracles of feeding the entire collective. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 594 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Boy, based on the many times Lyn preached in THE Barn on Ibykus, I think there is another way to feed the LYM. You send one loaf and a fish to Lyn himself and soon he will multiply the loaf and fish into a connected manifold for the Lym to devour. In other news, I think I have to side with Lyn on something here after finding some old info. Lyn is probable justified in throwing Ed Spannaus off the NEC to oblivion He also has made Lonnie W a cruel joke in the LC as well for THREE DECADES. Lonnie was always called "Mr. NC" and ran his life accordingly. Worshippng Lyn around the clock in hopes of getting that coveted NC position was the dream of dreams. In doing some more research on the duo of Ed and Lonnie in Leesburg real estate, I can see why Lyn is furious as in it being his "Ground Zero" for his economic collapse. Those two were the big zeros while Lyn ended up worth zero and the LC was in the hole for a number followed by many zeros. Please ask these two guys about how they financed Lyn's real estate empire in Leesburg. For the yutes this an opportune moment to be seized. If a yute is confronted with a hostile person at a card table shrine who says that the LYM is a cult, here is what you say. "Look here buddy, if we were a cult, we would not be losing money and lost lost all of our real estate worth a hundred million or so. Real cults make a profit and own stuff" "Now give us a buck for this xeroxed paper" Hey yutes, here is a money saving idea that will put you on the NC. Create a xerox brief of a generic speech by Lyn about the whole world economy collapsing. On the cover and in the issue just print "October 20__". Every year you just have to pencil in the year like 07, 08, 09, 10 etc. You have a bright future in the LYM and after THREE DECADES, maybe you too can be known as "Mr. NC" as the years pass you by. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| shadok Intermediate Member Username: shadok Post Number: 139 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 86.6.4.234 |
10 October? the thing is that our clocks ARE working when theirs aren't.... on larouche planet, it s been "five minutes to midnight" for the last... 30-40 years remember the "catenary" from my previous post? Larouche called this curve the principle of “frozen motion”! ... This IS "larouche' time"! time is indeed a very strange notion once you live on larouche planet: you have rejected your own past, you have no future... what's left? your daily morning briefing! that's probably why this LIM is so appropriate and... why it works!!! You can click on and on ad infinitum Larouche = Artificial Intelligence incarnate! Maybe we should have called EIR; A.I.R. (yes i agree, Wiener's back with a vengeance) btw: I had a quick look at Bruce's article on the "catenary". What an idiot! To declare the "catenary" curve "physical" as opposed to the Aristotelean "abstract" lines... i m lost for words... I ve seen the abyss of Bruce's depth of mind. Scary. A catenary curve IS as abstract as any other curves; they are all mere approximations of the (physical) reality. Some are better than others. Any scientist knows that. Bruce: go back to school and leave the kids alone. | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 147 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
The LaRouche Corollary to Descartes's famous dictum: "I BABBLE, THEREFORE IT IS." Will this utterly incredible stream of nonsense never cease? Here is the latest example, from the LaRouchepac website: Do Democrats Have the Guts to Stop Rohatyn's SS? October 4, 2007 (LPAC)--Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki declared that Blackwater is "unfit" and must leave Iraq, exactly where the mercenary company has hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts. During a televised press conference in Baghdad on Wednesday, al-Maliki said, "I believe the abundance of evidence against Blackwater makes Blackwater unfit to stay in Iraq." His comments came after Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) released a 15-page report identifying Blackwater as the mercenary company in Iraq which had over 200 shooting incidents against Iraqi civilians on its record, in which the mercenaries fired first, without being fired upon. One member of the Iraqi parliament condemned Blackwater for being "above the law." Al-Maliki had banned Blackwater after a shooting incident 17 days ago that killed 11-20 Iraqi civilians (reports vary), but had been pressured to allow Blackwater to operate in the country until several U.S. government investigations were completed. But now Al-Maliki is saying the that organization must leave now. "This outfit is an SS," said Lyndon LaRouche, "and Congress should say that. It's Felix Rohatyn and George Shultz's SS. But, do the Democrats have the guts to say that these killers are Rohatyn's SS? That's where the Blackwater policy comes from -- Rohatyn's Middlebury College." I don't get it. I really don't get it. Let's concede a contrary-to-fact hypothetical, for the sake of argument, namely, that Rohatyn and Schultz actually have a close relationship to Blackwater and that their troops can in some sense be linked to them. If that were the case, how could anyone, even LaRouche, not recognize that the evidence for it would need to be presented before anyone could be reasonably asked to believe it. But not for windy Lyndy. Amazingly, after making what everybody else in the universe would consider a complete non sequitur, that Blackwater's goons are really Rohatyn's and Schultz's "SS," he then chides the Democrats for lacking the "guts" to come out and say this. Amazing, truly amazing. | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 92 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Explanation? There is a constant testing of loyalty to the cult-brand “LAR”. Perhaps he simply does it for kicks or, on a deeper level, wants someone to step in and "stop the insanity". Nobody who speaks/writes that way can have ANY respect for people who take it seriously of let it go unchallenged. More to the point: If you don't speak up and oppose the obvious insanity (even if the posited linkages could be established) then you should be branded as infinitely pliable sheeple. Yes, perhaps Rohatyn and Shultz are running their own SS via Blackwater, but as LaroucheTruth points out, far more is needed to make the case. That this (key) step is passed over SO effortlessly only proves that LAR followers/worshipers are cowards. Or worse: His precious bodily fluids are entering and exiting all their available orifices. Take it for the team. Learn to love your lubricants. Blah Blah Blah. Wake me up at High Noon or Midnight. I have bread to bake and psychotic people to feed. | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 202 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
All former and present LaRouche followers remember how greatly prized was the concept of Attention Span, that intense quality of concentration that LaRouche claimed was his, and demanded of his epigones--the god-like capacity to Concentrate, to Focus, to .... What on earth, then, can we say about the kaleidoscopic "foci" of the "organizing" in, say, the last week? On Oct. 1, for example, we had LaRouche's "Ground Zero" operation, as expressed in the following truly hilarious slug in the briefing: Lyndon LaRouche Launches Operation Ground Zero Oct. 1 (LPAC)--Today Lyndon LaRouche announced the launching of Operation Ground Zero in Loudoun County, Virginia. Loudoun has been the ground zero of the housing bubble in the United States over the last several years. McMansions have arisen in every conceivable nook and cranny, and financed by every "creative" financial instrument imaginable, as well as unimaginable. b~~~~As the movement has grown throughout the U.S. on a state and local level in support of LaRouche's Homeowners and Bank Protection Act of 2007, there is no reason for a resolution backing this critical legislation not to receive substantial support at ground zero of the crisis in Loudoun County. Plans are now underway to introduce a resolution in support of the HBPA into the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors, the Leesburg Town Council and other municipalities throughout the county. (wfw) Current members are worrying that LaRouche's decision to throw himself all over Loudoun politics again will trigger the same fear and loathing that previous LaRouche local interventions did--recall how, shortly after moving the whole operation to Leesburg, LaRouche began attacking the Garden Club, for Pete's sake, and Dagmar Wilson and local politico Frank Raflo, as KGB agents. And they called LaRouche crazy! On the broader point, let's apply our powers of Concentration. What is rallying the troops this week? Is it the urgent vital critical necessity of passing the HBPA? Is it the vital critical urgent necessity of stopping nuclear war in the Middle East through the alliance of LaRouche and Peres? Is it the imminent, unstoppable, onrushing collapse to zero of the U.S. dollar? Or what is it, exactly? Well, in the Oct. 1 briefing lead it seems to be the Greenies. Yes. Housing collapse! Dollar collapse! Nuclear War! Loudoun County real estate! Greenies! Hmm. Sounds serious. Let's look at the opening paragraph of the briefing of Oct. 1. CONTINUED | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 203 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Now for the briefing, with that fabulous headline, "Mass Insanity Flops." b~~~~In the field of mass insanity, President Bush comes up second to the Democratic Party. He is playing second fiddle to the Democratic Party would-be's and wannabes, in the lunacy parade. We refer in this instance to the green insanity of going for biofoolery and climate change hokum--backed by leading Democrats--even at the time it's all blowing up! Look at the corn ethanol bubble--it's popping. Here we are at corn harvest time in the United States, but the corn ethanol boom has just bust. Ethanol prices have dropped 30% since May. Billions of gallons of the stuff have been gushing out of dozens of new distilleries, since the 2005 bi-partisan insane biofuels law, but because there is no transportation capacity, it can't get anywhere. The whole ethanol craze has just seized up. So much for the bipartisan put-a-cob-in-your-tank campaigns. As LaRouche said, "The Dance of the Biofuels." No need for a comment, and it's hard to know what to say, except: what is WRONG with these people? What happened to nuclear war and housing bubble bursts? Not to worry. After a paragraph on Schwarzenegger, the UN, George Shultz, and Lehman Brothers, and a paragraph on Harry Reid, Ed Markey, Nancy Pelosi, and emission caps, and a paragraph on the social chaos engulfing the U.S. as a result of the housing bubble, the briefing writer gets "back to reality": b~~~~All the while, the Cheney threat remains alive and menacing. Jeff Steinberg's EIR National Lead on this is included in this briefing. Go for maximum impact of the LaRouche Oct. 10 worldwide webcast. "Check. Right you are, sir. Maximum impact. I'm all over it." | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 93 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Is the webcast on 10/11/07 before or after HIGH NOON? If after, and if the dollar is not zero by then, I'll try to have a special messenger deliver bread directly to the podium. Those lucky enough to have a fast connection with a real-time video stream, should tune in to see LAR "holding his loaf". Wonder Bread, white and enriched. World Historical Bread for the WGE. | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 94 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Sorry for the mistake (it's 10/10/07 not 10/11/07). I "projected" for a day early and a dollar late. Still, LAR SHOULD hold his loaf in public. | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 204 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.164.43.2 |
Ground Zero/Ground Meat Or: What Are We, Chopped Liver? In examining LaRouche’s newish “Ground Zero” gambit, please note that, according to WFW's slug in the Leading Developments of the Friday briefing (pointed out to me by Communication From the Inside), "Without the passage of the HBPA, Loudoun County would SUDDENLY, VIRTUALLY CEASE TO EXIST..." [emphasis added]. Holy cow, that sounds bad. “Is this even linguistically correct?” the individual wonders. “And are we talking about the ‘puff-of-smoke’ kind of cease-to-existness, or something more like Brigadoon (for all you fans of musicals), where the whole village just sort of fades back into the fog, never to appear again--and the people with it? “Gee, Will, this is worse than nuclear war!” We also learn today that: “The [Loudoun County] Board of Supervisors has (quelle horreure!) inexplicably cancelled the Housing Advisory Council meeting scheduled for Friday at 1:00 (perhaps they got wind that LaRouche was coming). Sources will not say why.” And Mr. NC/Mr. Real Estate is “back in business writing articles on Ground Zero” (for phantom publications). ************************************************* I'm here to tell you, this is priceless. Loudoun County, VA--Ground Zero--is suddenly, virtually, ceasing to exist. Sounds like a security risk to me--has LHL considered moving? | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 147 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.125.93.18 |
I know that the Jehovahs Witnesses used to announce Armegeddon many times going back to 1914, although they relished it while LaRouche of course is preoccupied with stopping it. However, I think the JW sect finally realized after so many failed predictions to stop issuing predictions for the end of the world, at least since 1994. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 595 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
In this case we have Lyn predicting a Leesburg Ground Zero crash in 2007, about 20 years after the REAL Ground Zero crash started in Lyn's Leesburg empire. Yutes, please ask, email and beg "Mr. NC" himself. Lonnie W to show you how we bought real estate in Leesburg. Then ask him how we all lost it. If he feigns a memory loss, do not despair. Plenty of clippings from Leesburg local press will soon be digitised and you can see how this looked like one of those late night "No Money Down" infomercials you see every few years on TV. This URl will show you who Sweetwater was bought from with some type of fakata deal. http://www.spectropop.com/FangetteWillett/index.htm From the articles it looks like we had some type of note with the owners and then , as usual, had some payment issues. At one time "Mr. NC" showed up with $13,000 to save the ranch so to speak from the cold cruel mortgage holders. Later in the year, "Mr. NC" saw the whole farm be swapped for some debt owed to our lawyer who was owed $90,000. Since the article does not have the kind of details that we and the yutes need, "Mr. NC" needs to step up the plate and provide us with all of the details. After all of this comes out, we can all have a good laugh and do some Riemanian math and calculate -How much was paid over all in this note scheme? -What is the value of the land now less the $400,000 we paid for it? -How much money was lost in this one property? -How exactly did Buck Private Ed Spannaus, Mr NC Lonnie W and Lyn figure out how to lose money in one of the longest real estate growth periods in the USA? -Is Lyn justified in his busting Ed Spannaus to oblivion and never letting "Mr NC" achieve his THREE DECADE ambition for their follies? Yutes, the collapse occured years ago. This is all another cheap parlor trick to get you to not ask what happened to all of our property, the radio station and above all, never , never ask about the property we bought for the Lyn's delusion grifters . People around the globe read this stuff. Why do you think they laugh at you? 30 years ago, instead of a home debt relief we called up people for a debt moratorium for local city debt. We got signers and after people figured out how crazy we were, it all ended and the next mobe came about. This a spastic cult of personality yutes. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| kheris Intermediate Member Username: kheris Post Number: 136 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.197.242.174 |
I understand Avi Klein's article should be online in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to it and to the reaction that I know we'll get out of Leesburg. | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 205 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Borisbad-- I think the LaRouche folks may relish it too (Armageddon, that is, in the form of the final collapse of whatever they think is collapsing at the moment). I say this because close reading of the HBPA indicates that every measure LaRouche proposes to "save the system" and "protect the banks," "save the dollar" and defend the whatever, would actually bring the world financial system to its knees, or flat on its face, in short order. Some of my interlocutors say this is because LaRouche has always been a utopian socialist who despises private property. Others say it's because he's a fool. Either way, it's certainly noteworthy that his measures always involve expropriation and nationalization--and he doesn't even seem to notice. So, yutes, to paraphrase Mark Twain: Supposing you were a LaRouche follower. Supposing you were an idiot. But I repeat myself. (Message edited by eaglebeak on October 06, 2007) (Message edited by eaglebeak on October 06, 2007) | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 396 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
The same verbissene spirit of envy that LaRouche savors for people of means and industry is the same he exhibits towards intellectuals. He fears the youths getting ahead of him by studying the topology of dynamical systems, so he has them squander their time on a sterile historical - not mathematical - exercise in repeatedly reinventing the wheel with all of these geometrical constructions from the distant past. At the rate they're going, they will never get an opportunity to contribute anything original to science or mathematics. It's easy to feel creative by replicating the original work of others - especially when you already know the outcome and there's none of the ambiguity, frustration, and excitement from sailing in uncharted waters which characterizes genuine discovery. It is important to recognize that LaRouche is not a thinker at all, but rather a bizarre sort of feel good junky. He has neither the patience nor the high tolerance for ambiguity that a true thinker or creator has. Now especially that he has spent over thirty-five years building up a wall of sycophants between him and the real world, he already enjoys the reputation among some of not only being a genius but the genius and so does not have to lift a finger to prove it. Note too how the youths are not encouraged to study biology or geology - those areas are much messier than physics and mathematics and far less easily adaptable to a rigid ideology. Jessie did a real number on this freak. | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 148 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
Great observations, Sancho. I would caveat that he doesn't really have them study physics or mathematics either, only highly selected portions of those disciplines that constitute infinitesimal portions of those domains--maybe this is what he really means by the importance of the "infinitesimal"--one should devote an infinitesimal amount of common sense and true intelligence to studying infinitesimal fractions of the broader domains of physics and mathematics, in order to reach an infinitesimal segment of the general population. The observations about being unable to abide by ambiguity are right on. I would imagine that any good psychologist could give some insight into the underlying mental makeup of people who cannot tolerate ambiguity, who must see all things in black and white, and who must always see themselves as right. It certainly maps to the paranoid personality, on which topic I will be posting some more detailed information shortly. And paranoia would be a personality trait that most people would not have a particular difficult time of thinking might have some applicability to the WGI (world's greatest idiot). I just learned recently that when he would fly, in the halcyon days of the mid-1980s when money, actually, of course, other people's money, grew on trees for him, or at least, on other people's credit cards, his entourage of security people would buy out the entire first-class section, to ensure his security and safety, so nobody could be sitting around him who might seek to do him harm--I don't think anyone in the country, including presidential candidates, feels the need for this much security, outside of the pres and vp who use Air Forces 1 and 2. Oh, and for the transatlantic part of any trip, it was the entire first class section of the Concorde. You can stop wondering where some of the money, at least, evaporated to. More interesting, I think, is how once upon a time, he used to talk about the importance of Socratic method. And rightly so, in that the Socratic method is the actual most effective method to induce critical thinking skills in others. Ooops, that didn't come out right. Surely, critical thinking skills aren't what LaRouche has ever actually wanted in his followers. Which may explain why it is in utter and total contrast to the other method that LaRouche has always claimed as his own, namely, "my polemical method," which, were his usage of "polemical" to be entered into a thesaurus, might be mapped to words like "insulting," "slanderous," "exaggeration," etc. Basically, the style he always uses, of accusing all opponents of the most vile motives, of claiming 100% monopoly on the truth, with no evidence needed, and you're an idiot if you don't immediately bow down, etc. But I cannot restrain myself from extending something I wrote just above that just "came out." LaRouche, and the organization, gave a marvelous illustration of the principle of OPM--"Other People's Money"--in the '80s. Looking back on it, and I knew nothing of the inner mathematics of it, but I think Joseph Heller, if he is still alive, would be the best person to render the enormity of the stupidity, we need Heller to create a reverse Milo Minderbinder--the logistics genius who managed to make multiple losing trades, and end up with a surplus. LaRouche and his idiot minions managed to take huge, truly huge amounts of money--$34 million in loans alone, according to the court, plus whatever was raised as cash, surely many millions more--and couldn't even pay the $1 million plus for Ibycus, even less for Sweetwater, to own them outright. "Idiot" fails to capture the enormity of this studipity. From the greatest economist in history who, alone, can rescue the U.S. from the worst depression in history. | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 95 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
BushCo have done worse, and they were "re-elected". It's Pure Genius if/when you can get away with it. | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 397 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
One element of the hostile fantasy world of Linden Laroche: the Abba Lerner debate. It would appear that 1971 was the last time Laroche exposed his "ideas" to critical examination by the outside world. This iconic debate has become like a Kasparov vs. The World type of encounter where Laroche, by allegedly "winning" the debate (whatever that means), silenced the entire world, allowing him to go his merry way, right about everything. One will never find in his maggot-ridden mass of scrawlings over the decades the least acknowledgement of anything he has learned from a contemporary. The only way that he could collaborate with a Brainin or any other accomplished person was as guru to a gifted acolyte - nothing more. If you are a follower of Laroche, young or old, just ask yourself honestly (if you have an iota of decency or intelligence left) how it is possible for one individual to pretend to infallibility on one topic - let alone all topics. It seemed so natural when I was in to believe that, but just try for your own sake to stand outside yourself and look in. If this act of self-reflection is performed honestly, you cannot avoid the absurdity of this trust. Linden Laroche is just another guy, and not a very good one at that. And Laroche has always been far less intelligent then Von Neumann or Wiener - and far less intelligent and benevolent than Jeremiah Duggan, whom he murdered. (Message edited by sancho on October 07, 2007) | ||
| shadok Intermediate Member Username: shadok Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 86.6.4.234 |
Sancho larouche/lerner, kasparov etc There is an interesting article by the Greatest Genius of All Times about the Game of Chess. He explains us why, while he "mastered" chess game (during his teenage years), he never succeeded as the Greatest Chess Grandmaster ever ... He writes: "Anyone who knows the secret of the game of chess, would understand why the game became, eventually, too boring for me to play with zest any longer,.." then he finds some excuses : "My notorious lack of competitive spirit, then as now (sic!!!), meant that I was never the best across the board," BUT don't you worry, he s gonna show us off as usual: "(I) was able to excel on a relatively higher scale of performance in other ways, as in blindfold chess games, with fair performance at the Prussian game of Schachspiel, and with great success, relatively speaking, in dealing with up to eight tyros simultaneously, while I was blindfolded, but highly amused,"... WOW. These kind of skills are typical of Chess Grand Masters, and we didnt know about this? So what happened? Our unrecognized Chess SuperGrandMaster explains: "But, I lost my zest for treating the game seriously when I discovered, a few years later, that the Eighteenth-Century Newtonian mathematician Leonhard Euler had discovered the mathematics of the knight's move in chess." So, that was Euler's fault? Nooo, it's worse than that. Here is his explanation: "Did Euler take the life out of my game? On the contrary, I suddenly recognized that it had never really been there. (...) That kind of reaction against chess, prompted by the Euler case, had not been an isolated experience for me. In a closely related matter, I had already been an antagonist of Euclidean geometry since my first encounter with the subject in a high school classroom; on the matter of Euclidean geometry, " Pheew, now everything is clear!!! And to conclude: "Chess, like the sterile game of Euclidean, or Cartesian geometry, is a game premised on a set of fixed, axiomatic, and actually arbitrary presumptions called "sense-certainty." " "Sense-certainty" ? We must be talking of a different game! Isnt the same game he claimed to be playing blindfolded? Chess-game is probably the most abstract game ever and like any other games, it is based on a set of fixed rules (otherwise they wouldnt be games!) But of course, larouche doesnt like to lose, he then finds excuses ("my notorious lack of competitive spirit") for his poor achievements (if any). I bet everyone else was also blindfolded that day!!!, this is why we don't have any eye-witnesses of that great performance, eye-witnesses which are worthless anyway since it would be based on "sense-certainty"... This "chess story" exposes so well larouche's attitude viz "intellectual authorities" other than himself, like chess players or Abba Lerner (aka the entire economists community), or all the politicians, all the scientists, the artists etc or his teachers when he was a little student: he is an un-recognized genius (which is the "real secret" behind the "secret known only to the inner elites") I bet this "chess story" is as real as Abba Lerner's... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2006/3342not_to_play_chess.html | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 398 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
For some reason of late (and this is an error to which he was not prone ere his decline into fatuous senility) Laroche conflates axiomatics with sense-certainty. Most of the rest of us recognize the two poles of Western thought to be the axiomizers on the one hand (broadly, Plato, Avicenna, Bonaventure, Descartes, Leibniz, ...) and the sense-certainty guys (more broadly Aristotle, Averroes, Aquinas, Locke, ...) I guess his confusion is another sign of genius. Yes, chess, like nature, has rules. But the impulsive Laroche just likes to say any damn fool thing without regard to reality. (Rules just get in the way of his godlike brilliance.) And to an individual mind, chess can be as rich as nature and can entertain brilliant positional players (Capablanca, Nimzovich, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Petrosian, Karpov, ...), dynamic players (Alekhine, Tal, Nezhmetdinov, Kasparov, ...), pragmatists (Lasker), and universal players (Spassky.) (See, Lin, even we Mellon Scaife agents can toss names around.) I wish the WGP (World's Greatest Patzer) could demonstrate the sterility in this game: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1111459 But I suppose he's too busy composing obscenities involving Rupert Murdoch, or is engaged in other such Promethean activity as setting up his IV with Rheingau. | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 148 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.225.156.215 |
I remember that Bob Cohen, who did the Tavistock series was an actual chess master who did many articles in New Solidarity analyzing the Fischer = Spassky matches. Probably one of the more coherent and brilliant pieces that got covered in that paper. I don't really remember LaRouche having much to say about the match, except perhaps to say how good the Russians were in chess and maybe denouncing the brilliant but insane Bobby Fischer. Also, Bob Zubrin, who is now involved heavily in promoting the Mars Project was the inventor of three dimensional chess, for which I think he obtained a patent. Wonder if LaRouche has the same opinion about that version. | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 399 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Danny LaRouche is a FIDE master, although I don't think he competes any more. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 596 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
One can ask how Lyn's own flesh and blood had time to play in chess tournaments when he was busy with the LC/LYM? Oops, Danny's time with this lunacy is basically a visit to a National Conference maybe once as far as I remember. Yutes, how come Lyn and the cult want you to drop out of college and worship him and his lunacy for many decades while Danny escaped under the radar? You can just email Lyn and ask some more questions here. asklarouche@larouchepac.com <asklarouche@larouchepac.com> How come Lyn proudly danced his way through the national office announcing that he is a grandfather when Danny's wife had a baby while dozens and dozens of Lyn's cadre were taken to abortion clinics to "save humanity"? I was told that this was a particularyly sick visual when some of the women in the office while Lyn was dancing had to abort their pregnancies in the 1970s and early 1980s. Molly Kronberg was not of those who aborted btw and earned many a scornful look as she grew bigger each day. Yutes, ask Lyn how he allowed his only son to work on Wall Street in a high risk place since according to Lyn, the world economy and Wall Street were going to collapse each year that Danny worked there. For that matter, how did Lyn allow HIS son to graduate college and start his own life and not worship him? This all would make a great Halloween movie as we can film Lyn with an IV pole with a Rheingau bag feeding his veins as he asks Danny to call Helga "Mom". This could be a real horror movie called "My Goose Step Mom". complete with walking LYM/Zombies singing in the backround while dragging their feet between cars. The streets littered with cheap xeroxes of Lyn's latest end of the economy brief. Danny runs away while the LYM/Zombies chase him to a front door in DC where he pounds the door to escape. The door opens up and in the shocking end, it is a LYM house where there are 23 yutes packed into a 3 bedroom flat. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 96 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
An enterprising reporter should ask the genetically linked wunderkind: How does it "feel" to have a Philosopher-King for a father? Please describe your sensations. | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 97 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Look: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/081007_dollar_collapse.htm Ron Paul, the sometime semi-sane candidate for Prez says that the dollar could go to "zero". And soon. Perhaps Paul was the "important person" that CBS spoke with. High Noon, baby. The yeast will rise as the dollar falls... | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 400 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Ron Paul must be a sock puppet for Laroche. Ouch. Or maybe they alternate. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 597 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
This bread thing is going national. http://www.artsjournal.com/quickstudy/2007/10/apocalypse_pretty_soon.html Apocalypse Pretty Soon The dollar will collapse no later than one week from today. As of noon on October 15, you will not be able to buy a loaf of bread for $100,000. That's the optimistic scenario. The crash may come sooner than that. It might be Thursday. It sounds like Thursday will be bad. Yeah, things are heating up again in LaRouche-land. The Youth Movement kids haven't been out in force singing on Capitol Hill much over the past two or three months. But it's clear that supporters are now being pushed into a frenzied state, more even than usual. At the website where ex-members get together, plans are being made to send one true believer a loaf of bread as soon as the deadline for disaster passes. No doubt it is an utter and total coincidence that The Washington Monthly will soon publish an in-depth article on recent developments in the organization. What I've read of the article suggests that LaRouche's inner circle really has a lot to worry about, even apart from the onrushing New Dark Ages. Internal convulsions probably have a lot to do with why they haven't had the troops out yodelling at Congressional staff as much as they did in the spring. Not sure how anyone will afford a copy when that issue of the Monthly appears on the newstand in a few weeks. But in the meantime -- perhaps in honor of LaRouche's 85th birthday a few weeks back -- someone has taken the trouble to scan the, as it were, seminal work by Lyn Marcus from 1973 known as "The Politics of Male Impotence." It offers his comrades the blueprint for "a terrifying new weapon ensuring our victory." (This document ought to be brought to the attention of Slavoj Zizek. He could really go to town with it.) Here's hoping LaRouche can get his "terrifying...weapon" up to the task of saving the world in the next few days. But right now I'm going to empty our change jar and turn it into cash and spend it real fast, just to be on the safe side. Maybe the LYM will be dancing in the streets for spare change now. A sort of Apocylpso dance perhaps. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 206 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Article in the Guardian about Hillary Clinton includes a paragraph-long swipe at the LaRouche org, bouncing around the streets of Oakland. The org considers it a terrible slander, and of course believes that it, and the Clintons, are on the same Team, being attacked by the British Imperial Enemy. Perhaps LaRouche's longtime lawyer should look up the words "slander" and "libel" in the lawbooks and advise his client as to their meaning. When someone says something bad about you, it ain't necessarily slander. However, considering the things they are say about all sorts of people (including some new outrages--but said only privately--about Ken Kronberg), they may be doing what they accuse the Guardian of doing. Ironic, this, when you consider that the Guardian used to be Mark Burdman's Bible, and that every time the Guardian attacked Bush, the Labor Committee drooled. http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sasha_abramsky/2007/10/dispatch_from_oakland.html (Message edited by eaglebeak on October 09, 2007) | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 98 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
RE: LaRouchies That Guardian piece contains a sad statement: "Yes, there really are some people I'd trust even less to run the country than Bush and Cheney." Hey, I'm preparing that breadbasket for my LAR-induced basket case friend Chuckles. Sliced White Wonder. Enriched. This is the gold standard of breads, (still) available throughout our great country. But I'm going to send Matzo (Kosher, of course) to EIR headquarters. Perhaps it should be addressed to "The World-Historical Breadwinners". Two or three boxes, and a half-dozen post-Oct 15th auto-memos. Read, eat, and weep. | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 149 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.125.93.18 |
Doubtless, Chuckie can ask LaRouche to bless the bread so that it might be divided among all the LaRouchies. If possible, maybe someone can also chip in a can of sardines so that it can truly be a miraculous day worthy of LaROuche's 85th birthday. | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 207 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.164.43.2 |
The Youth Movement kids haven't been out in force singing on Capitol Hill much over the past two or three months. Someone told me today that the last time he saw LaRouche folks in DC, it was Baby Boomers, not LYM, and they were handing out flyers for LaRouche's 10/10 webcast--and the flyers were home-produced. Ah, for a printer.... And what happened to the yutes? Were they all shipped out someplace to "organize," to get over the well-known DC LYM morale problems? Or maybe the Democrats on the Hill got sick of having LaRouche on them like a limpet. Are they wandering around state legislatures waving the HBPA in people's faces? Well, good night, kiddies, wherever you are. Drop me a line. eaglebeak001@gmail.com | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 99 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
For the bread giveaway extravaganza, I need help with the EIR address (Chuckles always gives me his coordinates, so I am all set for that shipment). Is this a current address? EIR News Service (sic) 60 Sycolin Road, Suite 203 Leesburg, VA 20175 | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 598 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
There is a rumour that Lyn has decided that he needs a new security detail to replace the people who hooked him up with the CIA grifters. The best and the brightest yutes who are at least 6 feet tall will be trained in security techniques which will NOT include -writing about thwarting a grand jury in a notebook with neat handwriting. -testifying for the prosecution as a witness against Lyn. -if you say you are out of the LC, then stay out and do not blab to everyone that you are the brains behind Lyn. -don't propose that Lyn go to prison because it is the best way to keep him safe from another assasination plot. -at least run a credit check on the CIA grifters and con men who you bring to Lyn who fill up his head with delusions. -if you give out several hundred thousand dollars of LC income to grifters to buy a farm, at least have the title in an LCers name. -don't try to make some side money away from Lyn by trying to sell Lyn's lunacy under different bylines to tabloids. -don't tell Lyn that you are "in" when you are never around and your wife sells real estate. It all boiled down to the one man that Lyn can trust and the odds on favorite is Zeke Boyd. The new detail will be called "Lyn's Ninjas" and will another layer of protection for Lyn . Some think that the training is somewhat ghoulish and using Halloween as a cover. Lyn's 6 Ninjas are supposed to be able to carry an 8 foot coffin weighing 400 lbs from the trunk of a Pontiac Bonnevile to 6 foot deep ditch 400 feet away. When asked how he came up with the tag line "Lyn's Ninjas". The interviewer claims to have heard the following from Zeke. "Well, I was just sitting in my flat, staring at the walls for many years when I had to get up and go to the bathroom. I looked up at the mirror and said to myself: "What the F do I have to show after 35 years of this????"" "The mirror talked back to me and said "Your Zeke Boyd, you have no income, no job and no assets." . It repeated that over and over. "No Income, No Job, No assets" "No income, No Job, No Assets" "No income. No Job, No assets" until it all came clear to me that this was a divine Golden mean ratio code from the Gods of My Olympus about me an Lyn. Check this out. No Income No Job No Assets NINJA!!!!!!!! I am no longer a baby boomer, but someone who has new solidarity with many LYM members. I will train Lyn's Ninjas. For I am one with the NINJA. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| earnest_one Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 100 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
XCLR: What's this about Zeke? I have been delayed with that Winstar write-up, but it’s coming. Note that Zeke plays a role: He’s a shining example of attempts to cheat and steal, and engage in "other" immoral acts. Sadly, he took advantage of a dying, blind man (Robert McLaughlin). The stunts he pulled were beyond outrageous. And Bruce Director appears in a cameo performance!! -- brought in (through Zeke) to try and squeeze funds from McLaughlin (for LaRouche), when Bob was on his deathbed. Sick stuff, truly sick. This is the group that, in the 80s, refused payment on monies owed and told Bob to go off and die when he became ill (he suffered from a rare lymphoma). No money was available for his health insurance (needed to save his life) yet, at the time, various favored Golden Souls were getting gifts of fancy ceramic dishware worth thousands. Other luminaries are part of the story -- even Steinberg's wife, Michelle, although she is actually bright (and competent!), and quickly learned that one needed to produce real work in order to receive real pay. (It turns out that there were some sane aspects to Winstar). Indeed, much of Winstar concerned super-high technology (millimeter-wave digital radios) and a vast infrastructure buildup (construction of a nationwide telecommunications network). The technical issues associated with the coding of signals and the physics of terrestrial millimeter-wave propagation are staggering, and interesting beyond measure. This is Gauss and Riemann rolled into one (with an evil Maxwell mixed in, for fun). LaRoach lies when he says that Winstar produced nothing. He was simply enraged because McLaughlin was stealing some of his people by offering them real, productive jobs – jobs that paid for food, rent, and health insurance. This was a huge threat and Bob got quite a kick out of it. Oh, Herb Q. and Leo S. also enter the picture. Roger M. (McLaughlin’s best friend) plays a huge role. And, of course, Chuck was around, because McLaughlin was very fond of him, and worried that he would starve otherwise (given all the LaRoach delusions). The story of Winstar, absent the LaRoach connection is hilarious in and of itself (largest bankruptcy in US History prior to WorldCom’s, with a dramatic stock price collapse to boot). The cult connection, personal stories, and behind-the-scene intrigues simply add icing to the cake. It is all coming up, kids. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 599 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
There is a story I am trying to track down which involves Lyn using Zeke to browbeat Paul G, something Lyn has done for DECADES. I do not know the details, but Lyn basically said that you need to be scared of Zeke inetad of Paul because "Zeke can kill". This became sort of a running gag in the LC among people when you wanted to make a point that when Zeke comes to your office, you better be on your best behaviour because "Zeke can Kill". Today Zeke drives sickly members to their medical appointments according to many who email email me from Leesburg. The guy even charges them which I wonder is reported as LC income for the grand weekly total. It certainly is more cash than some of the LYM card table shrines somethime make . Zeke has an interesting past with radical groups and this was sent to me by someone who was looking up some Marxist history and found Zeke mentioned. ************************************************* In a message dated 4/22/2004 8:03:08 AM Central Standard Time, MLause@... writes: >At the time, most radicals had the good sense to see it as good sign...not a diversion from the movement against the Vietnam War but a broadening of that dissent into new channels. Even the ideologically constipated SWP issued a rather nice election button with a factory belching out smoke and a caption "Capitalism fouls things up.If memory serves, the few exceptions on the Left at the time were groups like the LaRouche cult, which was heavily riddled with police agents and ended up defending the wonders of nuclear power. Reply Damn, I forget about this stuff . . . but then again you are the resident historical memory. The National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC) were flat out fascists. LaRouche called himself Lynn Marcus back then - Lenin/Marx. I believe it was 1970 or maybe 1971 when they attempted to recruit us. They send their resident black theoretic ian . . . a guy named Zeke Boyd . . . if memory serves me correct. This guy looked like he was on medication or dope and carried a copy of Marx "Poverty of Philosophy" in his back pocket. I think he was smart and we met with him a couple of times. He talked about what would become the NCLC "Mop Up Campaign." The "Mop Up Campaign" meant physically attacking members of the CPUSA. Our political "beef" - disagreement, with the CPUSA was basically their passivity. Factory life and a factory town like Detroit basically meant you cannot take to serious a disagreement with the guy you work next to on the assembly line, just because he understood the same book different. After a year or two no one remembers what the hell we were arguing about. Mr. Boyd explained why they were attacking the CPUSA and asked "what is your political position." He was asked to leave the office because we felt he was stupid. He returned about a month later, after their group attacked members of the CPUSA during a demonstration. We stated there was really nothing to talk about because their group acted like cops and fascists. He insisted on coming in and talking. He asked if we had really read the "Poverty of Philosophy." "Look brother what we read is none of your business. That •••• about jumping on people is going to get you in trouble. Y'all acting like the police and the Hitler squad." | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 600 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Boyd basically stated, "look, we like you guys and the black workers are important. You have to take sides in this dispute or get 'Mopped Up." I do not remember the exact flow of events, but at that point Comrade ***** said, "We are not very polite and accustomed to inviting people outside for a slug fist. Some people think we are rude. The only way I can make you understand our meaning is like this." \ Then Comrade ********** slapped the sh*t out of Zeke. Zeke fell to the floor and I did not know what to do so I started kicking this mutherf*cker in his back and stomach with my size 12 foot, while t rying to avoid his head. I figured he was already suffering from traumatic head injury to come into our office threatening to "beat us down" because we did not have the "right" position on the CPUSA. What I remember next is getting him a wash clothe to clean his face. I was the youngest so I had to do all the grunt work - elementary task. (Pardon my lengthy explanation but comrades from other countries have written me and stated they were confused on my use of the English language. The King's English is a serious problem for me and everyone else because it is a language of economic discourse.) Comrade ****** handed him the telephone and demanded that he called someone to arrange a meeting with their "National Committee" to resolve the "Mop Up" issue and we were not going to debate Marx "Poverty of Philosophy." Two months later this same Zeke Boyd shows up at the office with an official statement. We look at each other and figure this guy has to be on dope. He states that the "National Committee" rejects our request for a meeting and that we are black nationalist but on the right side of the political curve. We figured that we kicked your ••• and that they did not want to fight anyone that fought back. Zeke never came back after informing us that we would not be attacked. Now, the NCLC were a group back then advocating a problem to sale tractors to the Third World as the path of development. As I understand events the NCLC evolved from the split in the SDS - Students for a Democratic Society. Then there was the time when some members of PL - Progressive Labor, attacked our comrades in Chicago. In Detroit we went ballistic and everyone signed up for early vacations at their respective plants. The Chairman wrote a long article about this insanity and called for a halt. In Detroit we understood events different because our party was female and mutherfuckers were attacking the women and too "punk" to fight men. Then there were a couple of assassinations of our me mbers. The events in the Steel Workers Union and in the United Mine Workers Union were at a feverish pitch. Max Elbaum's "Revolution in the Air" talks about our "secrecy." Get this book. ************************************************ I wonder how many members had any knowledge of this during or after Mop Up? xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
Global warming may be in full gallop, but I do think the Ice Man Cometh for windly Lyndy. His latest webcast, earlier today, was a command performance of someone fast losing his last grip on reality in any form. He managed not to get to his banking bill until minute 26, but it was worth the wait, not to mention worth its weight in hot air. He "clarified" the previously very unclear meaning of a central point of the bill: what is meant by putting all the Federal and state-chartered banks under "protection." He stated today that, make no mistake, "protection" means, in his words, "bankruptcy protection." He intends to force every bank into bankruptcy, presumably chapter 11, where the bank is reorganized. Anyone reading this who doesn't right off recognize the enormity of that is either a brainwashed LaRouche cult follower, or someone ignorant of banking. You, see, banks, like all other companies, have assets and liabilitities. In healthy companies, your assets exceed your liabilities, and you have positive net worth. If your liabilities comes to exceed your assets, you are technically insolvent, and need to correct that condition before it leads to collapse. If it starts leading to collapse, such companies can petition for bankruptcy, and if granted a Chapter 11, most of the liabilities are marked down to cents on the dollar, to where the assets again exceed liabilities. Hopefully, also, there is a business plan to prevent the problems from recurring. But the main service that bankruptcy does, for individuals as well as companies, is wipe out all, or a major portion, of your liabilities, typically in the form of debts. So, if banks are put into bankruptcy, presumably a large portion of their liabilities will be cancelled, paid off on cents to the dollar. If that sounds OK to you, it will cease doing so the moment you realize that a bank's liabilities are its checking accounts, savings accounts, CDs and money market accounts--basically, all the money that depositors have deposited in the banks. So, by putting the banks into forced bankruptcy, LaRouche is arbitrarily wiping out at one stroke trillions in the value of people's checking and savings accounts. WHAT A GENIUS! WHAT A MARVELOUS SOLUTION! Boy, will this really sock it to the speculators and wipe out the overhang of "gambling debts" that LaRouche rambled on at length about this afternoon while dodging a number of very good questions the Hapless Debbie the Dunce was stupid enough to pass on to him. And get this: if Congress fails to enact this bill, from first unveiling it in committee to passage in both houses and the president signing it into law, in about 2 hours from first hint to the public of what it proposes, it will be even more needed, as every depositor in the country will withdraw, or try to withdraw, their deposits and savings from the banks before the bill passes, in hopes of rescuing their entire savings, such that by the time the bill passes, every bank will in fact be totally bankrupt, destroyed by a universal bank run that will bankrupt every bank in the country simultaneously. Lyn, you have outdone yourself. You have had your eyes set on a crash for decades, and by golly, if your bill ever gets introduced in Congress, you'll have your crash. I'll have a lot more on this webcast when the written transcript is available. But go the LaRouchepac website, start the webcast, and if you don't have the time, or the stomach, to listen to the whole thing, jump to minute 26 and listen for about five minutes on the banking bill, then jump to around minute 38, where Debbie starts the questions, and listen to his answers to the first four questions. What an idiot! What truly moronic, non-answers he provides to the good questions asked!} | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 208 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Webcast/Social Notes from All Over As larouchetruth suggests, LaRouche was in rare form yesterday during his webcast, not least because he finally admitted that his HBPA--that's Homeowners and Banks Protection Act--proposes to force every bank in the country into bankruptcy. Some of us were wondering what he was "protecting" the banks from--now we know. Certainly, future generations would bless his name as the father of a bill that would (1) bankrupt all the banks, (2) destroy all depositors' savings (as larouchetruth points out), (3) destroy the equity all homeowners have in their homes, and (4) destroy the entire financial system of the country, and then the world. Whoa! Not bad for a day's work. LaRouche also had that hilarious moment when he referred to "7/11, I mean 9/11." Note that he is Back to Britain--the Return of the British Empire, destroying the U.S. from within or without or with-somewhere. Why? you ask--bless you, child, he doesn't know. So, on balance, perhaps not the best week for Lindy and the gang. CONTINUED | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 209 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
It started on the wrong foot with LaRouche's absolutely unfathomable briefing lead of Monday the 8th. You look at this, Constant Reader, and tell me whether he hasn't lost every marble he ever had: MORNING BRIEFING Monday, October 8, 2007 OFFICIALLY, IT'S COLUMBUS DAY b~~~~According to the logic of the Baby Boomer generation, today, Monday, October 8th, is duly decreed to be the October 12th called "Columbus Day." This is to remind us, of course, that the most solemn decisions, such as going to war on lying pretexts, used by the consciences of our Presidents or U.S. Congress, since the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, have been a manifestation of kindred sorts of legislated sophistry. b~~~~It would be only fair, to compensate for official lies, such as calling October 8th "Columbus Day," by declaring October 12, 2007 as "James Fenimore Cooper Day." The designation of that national holiday is not intended to celebrate Cooper's actual birthday, but to have at least one day in each official calendar year, on which our nation returns for a moment to celebrate the name of a patriot who should be remembered for the literate and artistic expression of the principles of truth and patriotism. b~~~~Such a holiday would be a much-needed slap-in-the-face to corrupt Democrats who identify themselves with the Andy Jackson and Martin van Buren Tradition. This would be particularly timely for the present year 2007, when we should be celebrating the way in which puppet Jackson and Wall Street swindler van Buren had crafted the infamous land-bank scam which plunged the U.S. national credit into the disaster known as the Panic of 1837. For those with short memories, such a day could be called "Gore Day," the year the U.S. economy was turned into gore. --Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. Well, let's see. What do we take away from this? Apparently LaRouche doesn't like the practice of celebrating holidays on Mondays, rather than on their original dates. Fair enough--we old crochets all dislike that. However, many of us are grown-up enough to know that the point is to give workers a three-day weekend. What a thought! What a novelty! An extra day off! Who in LaRoucheland ever got that? (Except for Lindy, of course, for whom every day is a holiday.) Although LaRouche years ago passionately declared himself to be on the side of "labor power," in real life, not so much. In real life, a one-day weekend is a miracle. We also learn that LaRouche wishes to celebrate the name of James Fenimore Cooper--okay, knock yourself out. I guess. And he wants to celebrate the Panic of 1837. Odd, but okay.... For those with short memories (why short memories? why just for them?), that day could be called "Gore Day." The year (not day, but year, mind you) the U.S. economy was turned into gore--get it? Get it? Snort guffaw chuckle wheeze guffaw. Better yet, we could call it HBPA Day--after LaRouche's bloody-minded "bill." Talk about an economic bloodletting! My real question, though, is what did the members do for "organizing" on Monday, with those "Marching Orders"? And how embarrassed was the NEC, at having to print it? Game of the Week: Take a gander at the postings of one "revenire" over at Skull/Bones--all over the larouche challenge section--and let's take bets as to which Loyal Follower it is. http://www.struat.com/election/category/the-larouche-challenge/ | ||
| earnest_one Intermediate Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 101 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
It is 10/11/07 -- Do you know where your dollars are? The end is fast approaching. Last chance to buy a loaf of bread, before it becomes more valuable than gold itself. The Loaf Standard is (almost) upon us. Pray. | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 210 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.164.43.2 |
Clarification: Someone emailed me to say that they couldn't find "Revenire" at Skull/Bones--that's my fault. I didn't make it clear that "Revenire" is the author of a number of crazed comments on the most recent four or five posts at Skull/Bones--so use the URL I gave, but then explore the Comments for recent posts. Speaking of emailing me-- eaglebeak001@gmail.com P.S. I went to buy some lunch after noon and found that my dollar was still worth something. I was able to get a BLT. Thoughts, anyone? | ||
| earnest_one Intermediate Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 102 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
The Venetians ruined everything, including the crash. | ||
| kheris Intermediate Member Username: kheris Post Number: 137 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.197.242.174 |
Are you sure it wasn't the British who ruined it? | ||
| howie Member Username: howie Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 67.101.4.13 |
Revenire would like you to know that he is a fan of 1960s Marvel Comic books, RC Harvey, and -- in a comment to a post unrelated to Larouche -- Talking Heads. Which he would like you to know means that he is not cleaning the dishes for the LYM. Of interest: http://thehangover.blogspot.com/2007/10/end-is-nigh-for-american-empire.html Since Australia is still nominally part of the British empire, doesn't this make the CEC traitors for inciting patriotic Aussies to help the Americans fight back against the Brits? Also, the man who was defeated for Illinois Lt. GOvernor in the 1986 Democratic primaries has passed away. | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 150 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
Eaglebeak, on your critique of the Monday briefing lead, I think you're out to lunch. I don't care if you were looking for a BLT you could still afford. Anyway, after attacks by LaRouche since time Memorial [Day] on the Baby Boomers, have you not grasped their crime, which is totally reflected in their massive support for having Columbus Day on a Monday no matter what day of the week the real CD actually falls on? The BBers are out for nobody but themselves, they don't care about their children like all previous generations used to do, they don't think of anything beyond the extent of their sorry mortal lives, and above all they don't care what dead white male they insult the memory of by refusing to honor his actual special day, all in the hedonistic pursuit of a three day weekend so they can selfishly enjoy three contiguous days off to actually go somewhere and enjoy themselves, in total contravention of any dedication to mankind, the universe, and beyond. I cannot help noting the irony of picking Fenimore Cooper for the first annual patriot of the year day. After all, Columbus came to destroy the Indians, while Cooper tried to keep their memory alive with his portrayal of Chingatchgook, the last of the Mohicans. And I also think we should marvel at LaRouche's ability to hit on something before he himself was remotely aware of having done so, in proposing Fenimore Cooper for celebration on the actual October 12 because he was a patriot. His choice of Fenimore Cooper is totally transparent, as the greatest patriot who doesn't yet have his own day, exceeding totally as he does the patriotic credentials of all of the founding fathers other than Washington, all other presidents, all generals, and in truth, all other Americans since 1783. And the brilliance of LaRouche's idea, which he himself has yet to realize, is that next year, having given Fenimore Cooper his due, we can celebrate the patriotism of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow on October 12, and every year thereafter find some new super-patriot whose unbirthday we can celebrate on the anniversary of Columbus's discovery of America--except for every year that Oct. 12 lands on a Monday, in which case we'll probably have to celebrate CC again, no matter how old that feels. Oh, and finally, LaRouche's brilliance in equating a day with a year, as in his priceless, not to mention valueless (or is that worthless?) formulation "such a day could be called "Gore Day," the year the U.S. economy was turned into gore", revealing the ultimate genius of the Riemannian time continuum manifold where the syncronicity of history makes delimitations of time such as minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, etc., etc. merely the products of mere sense certainty, as meaningless as the perennial pronouncements of an old man carrying a sign "the end of the world as we know it is nigh", must be noted. | ||
| earnest_one Intermediate Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 103 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Kheris asked: "Are you sure it wasn't the British who ruined it?" No. I am probably confused. I thought the Venetians were the British, thrice removed (a kind of triple-threat front group). I keep getting the enemies all mixed up. Enemies Soup (Nazi). Q: What group represents the purest evil ever extant, on this earth? I had lunch with David Goldman, in Leesburg, in 1985 and he proclaimed that: "The people behind Well Temperament were the most evil people of the last 500 years." This was when Equal Temperament was all the rage (generated by mathematically pure spirals on cones) and the idea of having different sounding key signatures was bad bad bad (it represented a base appeal to the senses, designed for savage beasts). Of course all that changed. And, of course, David Goldman is now pure evil (party line). Q: Who is the evilest, ever? | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 150 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.125.93.18 |
I think Eaglebeak, LaRouchetruth and Kheris are all equally wrong, since we know that the real conspiracy goes back to the Phoenicians who created Baal who was the antecedent of Yahweh, and who created the mercantilist system (although maybe it's the Babylonians). Actually it may actually go back to the elites that brought to an end the golden soul civilization of Atlantis that Plato wrote about in the Timaeus. All in all the Venetians and definitely the British are parvenues nouveau elites. | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 401 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Miscellany: The Laroosh yutes should turn their scientific eyes and noses to the gas laws, and start with Lynn as their role model, the (Platonic) ideal gas. I haven't been able to read a page of Fenimore Cooper with a straight face after this incisive exercise: http://ww3.telerama.com/~joseph/cooper/cooper.html I don't give a s--- what sort of patriot he might have been. As to sightings, I happened to spot two Ron Paul leafleteers down by the Staten Island Ferry the other day. They looked a very discouraged pair in quest of a cult. (Note to Lorichites: recruit the Ron Paulists.) I was going to give them a dollar, but why bother. | ||
| borisbad Intermediate Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 151 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.225.156.215 |
Reading Twain's dissection of Cooper's writing, one can see how the master of dense plodding prose, overdrawn with high falutin words to impress the credulous would elevate Cooper to such stature. I guess Lyn was drawn to Cooper's lack of clarity and his ability to confound simple descriptions in the manner of a third-rate Hollywood writer of B Movies. My question is, what happened to that great American patriot and super spy Edgar A. Poe? | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 402 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Remember how the La Rushites used to extoll the cranks supreme Poe and S.F.B. Morse? Fearless Leader loved Poe's obscurantism (and androgyny) and the antisemitic (and anti-Catholic and Nativist) conspiracist Morse. What the yutes should recognize is that the heroes drop off as their LC protagonists drop from the scene for one reason or another: Poe with Salisbury, Cantor with von Parpart, Dante with the entire Italian organization, Avicenna (and even much of the steam behind Plato vs. Aristotle) with Zoakos. What this suggests in reality of course is Len's dependence on the (largely anonymous) research of others to swell his turgid epic rambles. After Levitt and Bardwell left, the plasma news became a matter of cribbing press releases from national laboratories, and so on and so on. The fraud of LhL rolls on with the yutes' "commissioned" basement kite string theory exercises fueling the scribbles now. P.S. To crib Maugham on the subject of the Trinity, anyone who can believe that Poe was an agent of Winfield (great) Scott is able to believe anything. | ||
| larouchetruth Intermediate Member Username: larouchetruth Post Number: 151 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.171.94.115 |
Sancho, bravo on coming up with the Twain piece. I read that many years ago, and recalled that Twain destroyed Cooper, and destroyed him again, but the only specific item that I have retained all these years is his discussion of "Cooper Indians." I tried to think of a way to work them in to my piece, but without success. All, if you haven't clicked on Sancho's link to Twain, you absolutely must, it is incredibly funny, especially the first third. And Sancho, I hope it was clear from my post that I was mocking the notion that one would pick Cooper as an exemplar of a patriot above the hundreds of others whose names would naturally come to the mind of anyone whose familiarity with American history exceeds that of the idiots Jay Leno interviews in his Jay Walking episodes. The point is, this briefing lead is a solid contender for being the least coherent thing LaRouche has ever written, or at least, caused to be printed, and, as we all know, that is saying a lot. I mean, what in God's name is he talking about? Does he think he's being facetious? Certainly if he were trying to be facetious, the fact that it isn't funny (except the way that a freak in an old-time circus was "funny") wouldn't be evidence to the contrary since the very phrase "a funny LaRouche joke" is oxymoronic, not to mention that a LaRouche "joke" is just plain moronic. But methinks that's not it. But what is going on? This is beyond stream of consciousness. It is almost totally dissociated. There is no stream here, and precious little consciousness. How does he get from ridiculing the notion of having most holidays on a Monday rather than their actual date (not in itself a ridiculous notion--I'll bet there are any number of people who might agree with him), to proposing celebrating anybody, much less Cooper, on the actual CD date? I mean, what's the connection? What's the train of thought? And from there to the Van Buren depression of 1837? And then to "Gore" as in blood (not Al Gore, apparently), then to somehow celebrating a year with a holiday on a day? The whole thing is beyond imagining what could possibly have been going through his brain. And then one has to ask? Did any deadenders even notice? Did any LYMers notice, and scratch their heads? THAT, I'd like to know. | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 403 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Of course you were joking - and quite correct to do so - and to emphasize how a guy who hasn't worked for forty years would have no idea how important a three-day weekend is to people who work hard and are raising families. I think La Louse should leave his castle (with or without riding gear) and himself discover America - unless of course that would interrupt his continued collaboration with Ronald Reagan on SDI which is just as intense as ever. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 601 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
The Poe franchise in the LC was originally run by NEC member Allen Salsibury. He ended up passing away of a "Tell Tale Colon" in the LC. That means that there are tell tale signs of a medical problem which were not found as he became sick. I wish I could reveal the story of what happened to Allen S and what was initially thought to be his problem. All I can say is that it follows a pretty clear pattern in the LC. Beleieve it or not time. Did you folks know that Allen S. went to meet James Brown after he met us at an airport card tabel shrine in the 1980s? We were trying to get some big oney off of him. The Poe franchise rights semed to go to over THREE DECADE member Gerald Belsky. A nice bespectacled member who I think came from Chicago. Belsky has some Fidelio articles and set up a yahoo group site called "raven2000" a few years ago. Belsky posted this on OCt23, 2003 ********************************************** Please see my new website about the Real Edgar Allan Poe at www.therealpoe.com. This website is dedicated to the real living Poe who was a Classical scholar, an intelligence agent of the "Whig" patriotic circles, and a cultural warrior who was dedicated to creating a new classical renaissance, based on the ideas of Plato, Kepler, Leibniz, and Schiller, as is statesman and Presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche today. Poe, like all great artists, used irony and paradox to create metaphors, so that his readers could experience the process of creative discovery. The "myth" of Poe the neurotic is a concoction of his enemies to coverup the real significance of his life and the epistemological issues that Poe raises. ****************************************** Today, if you search that domain name you find that it is for sale and not active. I guess the few bucks to pay for the name were too much for a cult which rakes in a 150K in a good week these days. People who signed up may have thought that they would be discussing Poe, but Belsky soon showed everyone how cult mind control works in making everything end up about larouche. There is about a year and a half of an exchange between Belsky and a few people where the Belsky identity is swept away and he puts on his Lyn mask. You can read it under yahoo groups, look up "raven2000". Now the site is like many other larouche projects where it is long forgotten and just filled up with spam from dating sites and ways to get a degree without going to school and how to borrow a lot of money with sub prime lender specialists! xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 404 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
In watching the 10/10 webcast - is that Debra Freeman or Fred Flintstone in drag? - haven't seen anything like that since John Goodman as Linda Tripp. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 602 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Fred Flintstone is the one with a job who takes care of his family and has made Bedrock a better place for all. Fred Flintstone's friends do civic work unlike Debbie's friends who were chased off the front lawn of US Senator Parren Mitchel while he was waving gun. Fred Flintstone also did not produce anti semitic stone pamphlets about said US Senator being a "House Ni**er for the Jews of Baltimore". Fred Flinstone also did not abort Pebbles when Wilma became pregnant to "save humanity". The worse that Fred and Barney ever did was do a cigarette commercial. Fred Flintstone had years of highly rated 1/2 hour TV shows which attracted an international audience. Debbie appears on a poor man's cult version of Lyn's 1/2 hour broadcasts , now called web casts. Fred Flinstone paid his taxes and his mortgage. unlike Debbie's friends, he was never convicted of credit card fraud, securities fraud and never bought and sold property with crazy financing. Debbie is an over THREE DECADE cult leader. Fred Flintstone was a member of a social club called the Loyal Order of Water Buffalos, Lodge number 26 . Fred may have been part of Lyn's enemies list since the original Lodge was the Loyal Order of Dinosaurs , a Free Mason styled operaton which goes back to one million BC. Clearly Fred Flintstone represents the City Building faction of humanity long before Lyn's crackpot swiping of whomever or whatever his fancy deemed worth cribbing at the time. Over all, Fred Flinstone has done more for humanity than Debbie Freeman in making the world a better place. The facts are in and clearly yutes are better served by watching Fred Flintstone on TV for moral and civic virtue than a crusty, culty Debbie Freeman who after THREE DECADES and a few HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, is still trying to start something besides a cult. I would wager a loaf of bread over a uterus collapsing before the economy yutes. Fred Flintstone wanted his kid to go to college instead of joing a cult. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 405 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Homer Simpson (1) works in a nuclear power plant, (2) does not contribute to Anglophilic public televsion, (3) believes in Jebus, (4) acknowledges that La Rash is "right," and (5) was not a Freemason like Fred Flintstone. So he's a hands-down humanist. I still think Debbie "Mrs. Doubtfire" Freeman should paint leopard spots on her Elaine Bryan sale items. Of course with the Larouchemobile she already foots it around through the floorboards. | ||
| earnest_one Intermediate Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 104 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
Fred Flinstone was a world historical humanist, living at or near the time of the orginal beast-men. Note that he also "took care" of Wilma, a truly sensual, special creature. They were the "power couple" of Bedrock, with feet planted firmly on the ground. Their egos didn't get out of control. LaRoach should write some case studies about that society. I wonder: What evil group inserted Fred and Wilma into our culture? It was clearly a criminal attempt to destroy US industrial capacity? It all began with that show... everything has deteriorated... | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 603 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
Homer was also part of the worldwide conspiracy against Lyn. In one episode he joined the mysterious "Stone Cutters Society" and finds out what only the Inner Elites know. The Stone Cutters control the world just the way LPAC proveds it on their web site, via London. Here is the proof. Just read the lyrics to the Stone Cutters song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqsyPQgVTA All: Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do! We do! Karl: Who leaves Atlantis off the maps? Lenny: Who keeps the Martians under wraps? Alien: We do! We do! All: Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star? We do! We do! Skinner: Who robs cavefish of their sight? Homer: Who rigs every Oscar night? All: We do! We do! This morning the LPAC site had a huge headline about how the British control the sub prime loan industry and by connecto, the housing market and using more connecto, will collapse the economy. The proof? The LIBOR index is used to calculate ARMS! Yutes, you have no idea how goofy this is. Here, read about the LIBOR index. http://www.bankrate.com/brm/ratewatch/other-indices.asp Yutes are sleeping 4 to one bedroom and Lonnie Wolfe has declared himself a Leesburg Real Estate expert in EIR!!!!! Do the yutes have any idea of how to buy a house? Go ask Lonnie cause he can tell you all about how we bought and then lost everything in Leesurg, TWO DECADES before today's sub prime mess. I tried to find the LIBOR headline and now it is gone! Yutes, please oh please put it back. I beg you and I can't forgive myself for not copy/pasting it this morning. What do you expect from a cult whose business model involving interest rates years ago put people in jail, screwed their supporters and had all of the real estate lost????? xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 406 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
The LIBOR rate is also used often by hedge funds to determine the monthly hurdle rate above which investors pay incentive fees to the hedge fund; the fund would otherwise just receive management fees from investors. Nothing fancier than that. Is it noon Monday that the dollar is going to zero? I just want to know so I can take an early lunch. Don't forget to send Der Helga etwas Schwarzbrot. | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 407 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Just happened to look back at La La's chess piece, and lookee here: This is the crucial issue between the real-life scientific method of the successful sleuth, the Cincinnati society member and counterintelligence professional Edgar Allan Poe, and the silly synthetic concoction called Sherlock Holmes. Poe, crippled by chronic epilepsy, was retired from West Point on that account, but served as a U.S. counterintelligence operative in company with noted veterans of that service such as James Fenimore Cooper, with whom he, for example, participated in a Paris assignment on behalf of a project by the Marquis de Lafayette. He was much maligned on account, especially after his death, by the publisher and hoaxster Griswold and others, for reason of his intelligence role, by the American Tories who were greatly offended by his capable patriotism. LMFAO! And Norman Mailer is a secret double agent for Gold's Gym and professional midget tossing. | ||
| earnest_one Intermediate Member Username: earnest_one Post Number: 105 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 69.207.169.246 |
No, Sancho, CBS (Chuckles from Leesburg, an original FEF member) originally told me that the zero arrival would be by 11:59PM October 15th, 2007, at the VERY VERY latest. He said that LaRooooshhh forecast this -- that it was written in stone unless LL’s Mortgage and Foreclosure bill was passed by the end of September. Later (in September) he called and moved the date forward, to Noon on the 11th of October, claiming that the revision came during a direct conversation with a high level insider in the financial world, a "very important person" (obviously not LL!). So... to be fair (and why not?), let’s us take 12:01 AM on October 16th as the moment of truth. I will send Chuckles some bread on the 16th, along with the receipts, showing the selling price. And I will also send Matzos to EIR headquarters along with a few of those fabulous auto-generated LYN memos. Chuckles said that the dollar was going to absolute zero and, therefore, 100,000 of them would not buy a measly loaf. He expressed a preference for Pita, but I will send Wonder Bread, enriched. Assuming, of course, that I am able to pull off the transaction on the morning of the 16th. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 604 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
If you look at many of the business magazines and newsletter this week you will find that most of them are predicting a fall in the Dow Jones average. Barrons has an article about this being the 20th year after the 1987 decline. This really is not to exotic as the Dow is at a record high and everyone gets spooked in October. You throw in US elections and the war along with real estate problems in some areas and of course everyone will predict a drop. I received some quarterly mutual fund guides from companies I do business with and one fund had an interesting perspective. It noted that commercial property values were constant and the losses in some of the home builders and loan portfolios was making an incredible opportunity for their managers to invest in. What you see is paper being reduced to the proper value and this has happened in every industry where a long run up has taken place. When the only contact a yute has is with another yute and the Bizaroo world, you are not going to figure out how fluid the economy is. My children have activities with other kids whose parents I meet up with all of the time. One is a developer of child care facilities based in of all places, Northern Virginia. Another guy is a commercial office developer. Both are now in a slow down, but not for the reasons you think. The child care person is in charge of developing and finding commercial space for his company to expand centers. Because of the rising value of real estate in certain areas, the rents and land prices have risen to a point where a day care center can't be built becasue the fees needed to be charged are out of the market place. The commercial developer had a great 7 year run in developing properties but has slowed down since the asking price for raw land and existing buildings to remodel has risen to unsupportable prices. The owner may want a certain price, but the market will not support that price. Both are eagerly awaiting a market correction in pricing and will immediately start projects once a certain price point is reached. Near me are builders who priced their homes out of the reach of their target buyers. Everyone knew the prices were too high and asked how anyone could afford those homes. Among the people who will be hurt are speculators who cherry picked new condo and home projects by putting a down payment on a property and then trying to sell it a few months later for a higher price, before the project even broke ground. If the yutes had any of their feet in the real world they would notice that those properties will be sold at the market price eventually. I bring this all up because part of the Gospel in the cult was to always attack Adam Smith, free markets and free enterprise capitalism. It is not that you ever discussed this after reading about business, but , you just had an NC tell you that this stuff is all evil, British etc. | ||
| xlcr4life Advanced Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 605 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.34.144.5 |
I have to laugh at all of the classes and endless end of the world economy Apocalypso dancing we did because I left before the 1987 decline and THAT real estate decline. What I did before hand was to save a few dollars every day for some time till I had enough money to drift away. We were then yapping about interst rates still being too high which got me thinking. Money market rates were at 10 % then and I began to squirrel away small amounts each week. We also were preaching against mutual funds, 401 K and IRA plans back then and I started to learn about them. Each month I and my wife then took some of the money out of the money market fund to put into IRAs with mutual funds in sectors that I understood. This worked out real good as we were able to buy MORE shares after the 1987 crash and used dollar cost averaging to see our IRA money grow. Now in the LC this was verbotin to bring up any questions about retirement income or any concern about your financial health. The common answer an NC like Debby Freeman would give you is that the world economy is going to collapse and any talk about this is crazy. A real estate guru like Lonnie Wolfe would look at you crazy if you suggested that maybe we should buy up some liquidated properties. Now keep in mind that this was TWO DECADES ago. Once I left the bizarro world I found that we had enough for a downpayment on a house with a 10% fixed rate mortgage. An ARM would have been a good idea IF we were selling within a few years. As it turned out, we were able to get an incredible deal on a new home as a recession was under way and the builder had to sell homes dirt cheap to clear inventory. The moral of the story yutes is that when you drop out of college and join this bizarro band of losers your losses are not only going to be in time at the most valuable time of life. There will be pretty severe financial losses you will be undergoing in lost potential earnings and future investment earnings. You also will be facing a problem where your current education and skills may just become obsolete after a few years in the LYM. You will also be facing a steep learning curve to understand the culture. Indeed, this is not too unlike what a newly paroled prisoner faces once released. Many of us had to return to school to upgrade our education for employment. You will be in for a shock when you return to school and then find your self working for a younger person who has more experience and degrees since they did not leave college and waste a few years in Bizarro world listening to a madman tell people for the 35th straight year that the world economy is going to collapse . The outside world is not perfect and needs help. Most things get changed by real work and not cults. One of the most common themes I recieve in emails to me is about the overwhelming sense of guilt that after running into us, you think that you are not doing enough to stop perceived world problems. This is part of how mind control works and is so strong that many members who leave will think that they are abandoning something when they exit the cult. This is one reason why I and everyone else in the LC would spend endless time telling prospective contributors and members why everyone else is impotent and only through the Larouche organisation will you be able to change ALL of the problems. Cause if you did not, then a new Dark Ages, Nuclear war, Drugs, economic collapse, the Russians and a whole universe of eeevil will take over. Lyn is not unique and every cult or TV preacher knows this. It works and has worked for Lyn for decades by making you work for him instead of yourself or family. Time goes by real fast as you age yutes. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| eaglebeak Intermediate Member Username: eaglebeak Post Number: 211 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.171.70.37 |
Mark Twain, James Fenimore Cooper, and Lyndon LaRouche Now that LaRouche has put forward an incomprehensible mare's nest about James Fenimore Cooper Day (see my original post of the morning briefing lead of Oct. 8, and the succeeding discussion), it's time for the Labor Committee mice and trolls to weigh in. Recall that Mark Twain is a Bad, Bad Man in LaRoucheland, especially after Stan and Stephanie Ezrol heard about The Mysterious Stranger and manifestly failed to read Huckleberry Finn. (It got so bad that Larry Hecht once attacked Twain as a Civil War deserter, only to have it pointed out that he had deserted the Confederate Army.) But never mind--these people can't be expected to be educated, or even literate, after 35 years trapped in the Head of LaRouche. Now, perusing LC message traffic, we find yet another confirmation of the late Ken Kronberg's wise observation that in the ICLC, the inside and the outside are always confused, and the Enemy Within and the Enemy Without always the same. Namely, the following All Users message on how Molly Kronberg promoted Mark Twain's attack on Cooper. Doesn't that just figure, British agent that she was? And this explains why Fidelio never did anything on Cooper? For those who knew Ken Kronberg, the answer is simpler. When he tried to read Last of the Mohicans, he found it unbearable. Anyhow, from the heart of LaRoucheland, we have: THIS IS IT! From:b~~~PGM::JLH (Judy Hodgkiss--ed.) 13-OCT-2007 15:54:11.89 To:b~@DIS:NCR_USERS CC: Subj:b~~~Mark Twain: Mollified (that is, Molly-fied--the Enemy Without is the Enemy Within--ed.) American culture A few years ago I daybooked the Mark Twain attack on James Fenimore Cooper that was discussed at the update meeting today. As Stuart L was saying (that would be Stuart Lewis, once a friend of the Kronbergs', but apparently no more--ed.) Molly was promoting Twain's sick slander of Cooper to anyone who thought that Ken and Fidelio should do something on this great American patriot. Sick slander? Oh, Judy, has your sense of humor entirely fled? If only Mark Twain had lived to take on Lucky Lindy--because after all, James Fenimore Cooper was a well-intentioned man, and Lyndon LaRouche is an execrable writer without a good intention in his body. If only Sholem Aleichem had lived to do the same, we might have LaRouche starring today in The Great Panic of the Little People. | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 408 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
There's a general topic for you: La La and humor. Or how about, Loo La and "fun." By way of reference, see the MySpace jokes that fizzled out (just like BAE, Knights of Malta, what have you) by September 4 from once again lack of attention span - and such heaviness! It's like taking an Earth joke and telling it on the surface of Rigel. These people have no concept of humor, especially the old-timers who rue the years they've sacrificed for this madman. So no surpise they are frightened by Twain since they know that were he alive he would see right through them. | ||
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