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     xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 76 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
Ah, housing and Larouche, a real winning combination. A track record like every other prediction of economic collapse. In the 1970's we would warn people of a Rockefeller take over and tell people to sell their houses and give the money to the US Labor Party before everything collapses. In the 1980's we had numerous supporters take out home equity loans @ 15 % to sign over to us for a 19 % promisorry note from us. You can guess how much of that we paid back. We took some of that loot and then bought up real estate in the then unknown Leesburg VA to build an office complex for us. We had a company set up for supporters/investors to put money into. This idea actually came from a few of our supporters who thought that we were rationale and could leverage our cash flow into owning rather than renting in NYC. Lyn had a penthouse apt on W58th next to the office. That was not good enough and we then rented a million dollar townhouse on Sutton Place in Manahttan for him. Lyn wound up with a huge spread we co bought with a supporter and we had another 1000 acres to be added to our holdings. As I said, the supporters thought that we knew something about economics. The loans were not repaid and we lost the properties. The supporters lost their money and property. Helga is so real estate savvy that we had money from the card table shrines going to build a swimming pool and horse stable on property we RENTED. Today you can shop at a mall on land we once owned. I think "Mr. NC" himself, LW can explain what happened. Phony baloney security scam artists ended up with a farm we bought him to "warn Lyn of assasination plots and place him on a Do Not Assasinate list of the NSA". I kid you not. Helga did end up with a castle in Germany I was told. Steve raises the money to heat it while he freezes and sleeps with 3 other LYM in a studio. Phil and other NC's would hold back rent on people who were "problems". Quite a few people were evicted like bums by Phil I was told. While LYM think they are learning math, one of the ex members Phil had thrown out into the street is now a professor of math at a prestigious institution and is a Fulbright scholar. He and his wife have children and OWN their home while Phil still waits for the collapse like a cargo cult. xlcr4life@hotmail.com (Message edited by xlcr4life on February 19, 2006) | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 77 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
The West 58th st penthouse was fabulous. It had a view of Central Park, parking for the Pontiac Bonneviles and Lyn could grace the office by walking a few hundred feet. it was pretty easy to move money around by always declaring a security problem .Between Lyn's paranoia and the security scammers who worked circles around Goldstein and Steinberg, the money would be vacuamed away from member rents, stipends and mundane things like postage to mail out our lit. We then could declare a new Lyn assasination mobe, hustle more money via the regions and keep the party going. Basically the card table shrines sold a sub and we would barely mail it out. We would blame this on the ADL and the Post Office when the real reason was that the world's greatest economist hijacked the budget on a whim when needed. Security was a plum job, or so people thought. It tok a while for some to figure out that you were a butler or waitress with a pistol permit. If you go to dennisking.org, look up the section on "Computron" and see how we could siphon money away for Lyn via the high rise condo in Riverdale we had for him. The Sutton Pl. townhouse was magnificent, right off E58th st. We also put Lyn up in a suite at a luxury Park Ave hotel for "security Reasons". Members got 5 bucks a day while we blew hundreds per day on cases of Rheingau. The fun looked like it would never end until the IRS asked where the money came from to live like a millionaire who used the Concorde like a superstar jet setter. Lyn, with a straight face in the trials would state that he had absolutlely no idea where this mystery of wealth came from. His next home became a prison cell in a Fed lock up. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 78 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
After we lost all of the land, some members married supporters and bought houses. Other higher ranked members picked up money when their parents died and hid it to buy houses in Leesburg. That did not last for long as once the org slipped a few more notches into its cult basement those members were called on the rug so to speak. With housing valuse rising, we now hit the home owning members to borrow more on credit cards and to maximise their home equity loans. A few like Lyn's long time security honcho Paul Goldstein left and kept their house. The rest of the home owning deadenders who found that the world economy did not collapse for the 35th year took part time jobs as the org certainly was not going to pay them. It is a lot of fun driving through Leesburg and seeing how the org is pretty good at collapsing itself and its members faster than the IMF and WorldBank could. Yes Sancho, some like Elliot and Margaret Greenspan were pretty nice people. Elliot has been in this circus since he attended Rutgers in the early 1970's and dropped out. While Elliot is STILL on the phones rasing money, many of his fellow LCers from New Brunswick are living a a great and productive life. -One ex member is a PHD economist who writes legislation and has testified many times on the Hill in DC for a few President's commissions. -Another guy Elliot knows is an award winning media producer. -Another has a Masters and has books published on Poetry, writing and has won awards for his/her writing. -Another person from Elliot's local became a very well respected and influential teacher/administrator who now can retire on a full pension while Elliot and Margaret hit the phones every day. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 79 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
Margaret was a very good pianist whose piano became a liability when the rent was not paid and she and Elliot had to vacate their apts to find new places to live for the last 25 years or so. Her brother has been in prison for Lyn and I think she had another brother in Cleveland in the org. They were real nice people and you have to look at this as a tragedy. Elliot probably had visons of leading the world to take power with the NCLC and the US Labor Party. Margaret wanted to fully explore her musical gifts. They are both gray haired, way past child bearing years, renters and still waiting for the world economy to collapse. Elliot has been through quite a bit of tragedy on his family. Without trying to bring up a painfull episode, it was obscene to to hear about the tragedies in the Greenspans family life and read what the org was writing about and placing on card table shrines signs. For many of us, we saw how the org could go deeper into its lunacy. Elliot has a family member who shows up every time on FEC lists. That one is also something which raises questions. I always wished that he would have left and fullfilled his potential as his fellow New Brunswick alumni. You could populate a small NJ town with the contacts Elliot had who liked him and were screwed by the org. 35 years later, your life is still based on getting up 7 days a week , hitting the phones and getting yelled at for not hitting quota. The one day he may get off is spent trying to rebuild your energy for the next barrage of calls proclaiming the latest crisis. I do hope they take care of their health as this lifestyle ages you real fast. Margaret once had a beautiful head of red hair I saw at the Reston conference xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| sancho (sancho) Member Username: sancho Post Number: 97 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.42 |
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/book_reviews/3307devils_game.html Here Jeffrey Steinberg gives a generally positive review of ex-LaRouchite Robert Dreyfuss' latest book. This to me shows that there is some hope that once the Crazy Uncle (LaRouche) dies - and his empty-headed hangers-on are routed by the more rational members - it might be possible for a group of members to shed all the zaniness, cultism, and wooly "thinking" of LaRouche to isolate the best of Labor Committee policy and thinking and fight for it and to use its intelligence networks to serve as a gadfly on the butt of this disintegrating republic. I hope too that this is not a mere dream, because what the LC purports to be and manifestly is not at present is necessary in an increasingly fascist culture. | ||
| xylm (xylm) Member Username: xylm Post Number: 56 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.214 |
Sancho, I respectfully disagree and if I am wrong, I hope you or somebody can enlighten me for otherwise I don’t see the connection. Since the youth have been bred on make-believe or conspiratorial history they have nothing to offer historically and since their vernacular and thought process is both a complete simulation of a mad man’s and that of a system to generate money, what do they really have to offer? Additionally, their intuition (for the amount of years employed in the movement) has been stripped from them. If they have or had used any, they would have ironically made their first discovery –that Larouche is not the “one and only person who can save us from our impending doom”. In conclusion, their mal conditioning will probably supersede their discipline or at least to the point where one would be better off recruiting new members for such a movement. If habituation itself was something that could be easily brushed away I may then agree with you. But as it stands, I can literally show the Larouche members a picture of Larouche wearing a Nazi uniform and they would still show up to the card table shrine the next morning. | ||
| sancho (sancho) Member Username: sancho Post Number: 98 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.42 |
Very true, xylm, the people I imagine existing would be few in number and among the so-called deadenders in the movement in whom I still maintain hope. These YLMers are useless, unthinking, Visigothic battering rams. The "deadenders" I speak of had roots in real-world socialist history, not in the surreal video-game recruiting environment of these know-nothing punks like Grendon. But, again, I'm probably dreaming.  | ||
| joesixpack (joesixpack) New member Username: joesixpack Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.83.180.108 |
hi - i'm a subscriber to EIR, and i find the work of larouche and his organization interesting and thought provoking...nevertheless, i cannot resist posting this gem from today's webcast: ( larouche, behind a podium,addressing an audience of supporters,said: " Don't go around hunting for nazis - you've got a real live one in front of you! " ( referring, i think, to Alito, but...) | ||
| sancho (sancho) Member Username: sancho Post Number: 100 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.41 |
hahaha ... good one, Joe. There is a lot of interesting stuff in EIR - even former CIA chief Casey used to read it weekly - but that was when EIR had a much larger intelligence staff. Just beware the cult/money-grubbing/crypto-Nazi angle, as you apparently already do. | ||
| joesixpack (joesixpack) New member Username: joesixpack Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.83.180.108 |
thanks sancho...i've been familiar with larouche and his organization for a little over 20 years now, though i've only been subscribing to EIR for about a few months now...surprisingly, larouche's feature articles are generally the weakest link...it is infuriating how long he takes to say so little...when i mentioned this to a member of the org recently, he said, " oh, so you prefer euclid to gauss, eh?", and walked away, shaking his head...your words of caution put me in mind of my first visit to the organization's offices...there was a meeting where the week's events were reviewed through the prism of larouche - turns out the dalai lama was a british agent - and this was followed by an informal discussion with coffee and cakes being served...a very beautiful young woman approached me, and asked if i was familiar with larouche, and before i could answer, she said that i'd probably heard terrible things about him, that he was a racist, a fascist...i interrupted her to say that i did, indeed, think he was a fascist...all conversation in the room stopped..." but it doesn't make him a bad person ", i added, looking around ...she told me that i'd probably gotten that idea from the dope lobby, whereupon i informed her that i'd been subscribing to the newspapers for years, and had gotten that idea from mr. larouche's own writings, particularly one where he said that democracy in america didn't work because the majority of people were stupid, as evidenced by the popularity of shows such as dallas...her husband quickly arrived at her side, before i had the chance to kidnap her, and take her to my apartment to deprogram her... that's what i call it...anyway, when i left the meeting that night, and walked to my car, i was followed by a slow moving car with its headlights off...when i ran to my car and turned the my headlights on to get a look at who was following me, it sped off...i wondered about that for awhile, but not for long... | ||
| joesixpack (joesixpack) New member Username: joesixpack Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.83.180.108 |
anyway, i have long agreed with larouche in his emphasis on the importance of the maintenance of infrastructure for the health of a national economy and the general welfare of the citizens...i have always felt that he was a socialist of sorts, in that his solutions involve big government...but at least he can identify the problems...often way before conventional politicians - i would point you to senator clinton's recent call for a summit on the automobile industry, coming as it did after months of larouche warnings and proposals for just such a summit, as one example...and i, too, found steinberg's favorable review of the dreyfus book to be a hopeful sign...i am somewhat disappointed by xlcr's revelations, but not really very surprised, and i do not regard mr. larouche as a total charlatan...if you respond to this post, sancho, please tell me something about your involvment with, or knowledge of, the organization...and, for those interested, here is a link to today's webcast by larouche...at 84, he's still a compelling speaker... http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/audio_video_files/2006/060223_webcast.html ...you can find the quote i referred to at about 1 hour and 46 minutes in... | ||
| sancho (sancho) Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 101 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.41 |
Hi, Joe. You can go back and read past posts to get an idea of where I've been with this organization. The salient point is that when I left, I agreed with just about everything the organization proposed for my belief, although in my heart I did not go for much of the conspiracy stuff. I had to leave because of the organization's inhuman treatment of me and others, behavior I could no longer tolerate and which no amount of rationalization would permit me to tolerate any further. For a long time thereafter I viewed myself as someone who had let humanity down - until I began to acquire degrees in subjects at which LaRouche claims to be the "world's greatest." I discovered the following: in economics, he is a charlatan; in mathematics, he is a charlatan; in discussing Leibniz, he is a charlatan. This is not to say that he does not make true statements (e.g., regarding infrastructure), but as we know a stopped clock still tells the correct time twice a day. Louis Farrakhan speaks well also, as did Hitler. But a seasoned if not mature human being must ask himself honestly whether someone who claims to have all the answers in all areas of life and to be the world's greatest at anything without having the self-control to complete even a bachelor's degree is in possession of all his marbles. | ||
| jamesstjohnsmythe (jamesstjohnsmythe) New member Username: jamesstjohnsmythe Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.22.84.204 |
Joe: I here also agree with LaRouche on infrastructure and most of his socialist ideas. But other than that, he's a insecure quack job with too much time on his hands. Sancho & xlym: I have to disagree. There were some youth who are down to earth and still were into the same music (a big no-no in the cult) before they joined. Just because most LYM fall for the lie "LHL knows best!" doesn't mean theres a few who are not too sure. Most likely their reason for leaving the cult and probably others. The unsure lyms or the few would look into it more if the leaders and rest of the members weren't acting like Gestapos. There are always going to be a few who will question. Take for example the GOP, most of them accepts Bush's rhetoric like lemmings while there will be a few who will question. The GOP labels the few "Terrorist" while LHL and his grade school kids the LYM label the few "Sophists". Tho in a LaRouche world, Sophists are "terrorists" instead of al-Qaeda, ALF, and ELF. xlcr4life: If memory serves, you mention LHL's cult went with the conservists and supported Reagan in the 80's. Hows that possible when LHL was running as a Democrat since 1980 and make claims they're againest Reaganomics? James St. John Smythe | ||
| borisbad (borisbad) Junior Member Username: borisbad Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.239.162.9 |
LaRouche's pitch was supposedly to "Reagan democrats" who were purportedly liberal on economics and conservative socially- ala the so-called war on drugs, the war on AIDs which involved mostly attacks on people like Rock Hudson and Liberace. The attacks on Reaganomics was against supply siders like David Stockman as well as monetarists like Milton Friedman because LHL believed that somehow Reagan would support a "dirigist" approach by supporting the SDI and this would "free" him from the supply siders. But I remember how conveniently the change came from supporting the so-called Labor Party to going after Reagan conservatives as well as readers of Spotlight, the Hunt Brothers and other well-heeled right wingers and conspiracy fanatics. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 80 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
Mr. Smythe, My work load had kept me from addressing your questions. Give me a few days and I will show you how the org works in getting members to flip on a dime (or dollar) when needed. If you review this section you will see some of your questions answered. The first thing to understand is to not think of this org as a legitimate group of people who have things to do. It will seem that way to the card table shriners and the fundraisers, but the main purpose of the org is to feed Lyn's ego and paranoia. It took me a long time to figure out that having a room of sycophants and an offshore bank account means more than a room of supporters who get things done. If you were to review the org's many faces, you will find that we have less supporters, less sunscribers and less members than when we started. What Lyn has achieved is his ultimate dream which is a self worshiping group of youngsters. Each phase of our chameleonesque faces brought some new blood to replace the old, tired out spent blood. It is the same today and the stories are the same as when I came in, and when I left. What usually happens is that the members will be doing some project which will have a name, but, will always revolve around Lyn. When the time come, Lyn will issue a long document which the NC's will then ahh and ohh over like school girls. A new policy is announced based on some new break through of Lyn and then you are off in a new direction. Most members will go on. The few who question are then denounced as the reason why Lyn is not president. Those who stick around are too busy to read what we actually are producing. The ones who really read stuff like our Nazi rocket scientist fan club leave. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 81 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
There is no shortage on an org built on mental manipulation to denounce your shortcomings. For thirty years it has been like this. If you read the briefings you will see how the LYM is now being called on the carpet to raise the bucks, rather than just spend the bucks. The essence of this is that Lyn will always first proclaim that only he understands some topic like Marxism. Then, he shows how he made a breakthrough at 3 AM and solved the fundamental problem. Then, he will announce that the org is moving forward and surpassing that. Now the members think that they are the only people who understand Marxism in the early 1970's. In the Mid 1970's we pretty much burnt through Marxism and needed cleaner faces at the airport card table shrines. Lyn now attacks marxism and proclaims that the American System is number 1. The NEC starts writing papers and we are now burning our Marx books and buying American history books. Lyn ran in 1976 as the US Labor Party candidate for president. We ran against Jimmy Carter basically in that election. We figured out that third parties may not work and find out that we can raise a boat load of money selling Khomeni gun targets and anti Kennedy and anti Jane Fonda bumper stickers. Conservatives, who hated us for being Marxists now like us for attacking Carter as a Trilat/CFR agent. We open up new front groups with nuclear power via FEF (Fusion Energy Foundation) and anti drug work via the National Anti Drug Coalition. Marx who? is our battle cry as we now start raising money and Lyn has an org under his control as the old timers from the early 1970 colleges are now out and those who are left are pretty much beaten down by Lyn via his Beyond Psych sessions with them. An 18 year old facing serious work in college will both look for an easy way to understand the world, and, a way to get away from his or her immediate problems. Grad students laugh at Lyn and the writings. A fresh 18 year old who wants to change the world isn't a critical thinker yet. Lyn has always stated that he needs 18 to 25 year olds who have not yet decided on life to be the guts of his org. So far, I can count at least 5 sets of youths who thought that they were going to save humanaity, stop nuclear war and see the complete economic collapse. More later. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| realme New member Username: realme Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 4.249.51.205 |
Wow! Just came across this yesterday. What a sad bunch of bitterness. I admit I haven't read the whole string--maybe 10% at most, so maybe everything I'm going to say has already been said. Stop being "ex-members!" I was an "ex-member" for 10 years until I started being just me. It's been over 20 years now since I quit the org, and I only just realized that I spent the first 10 years being an "ex-member." When you're an ex-member, you're still letting the org live rent-free in your brain. Evict the buggers! It's like once you were in a high school with really bad cliques. It screwed you up for a long time. Then finally you got over it, without even realizing it, because you just started to live. My high school analogy breaks down: who the hell would want to go to a reunion? And forget the bitterness. It'll eat you up. I was a member once because I liked it, and then one day I didn't like it anymore so I quit. Take responsibility for your actions (I know--I sound like a republican). No one can be manipulated unless they want to be manipulated. Good luck to everyone--members and ex-members alike. But special good luck to ex-ex-members. | ||
| xlcr4life Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 80 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
Realme, I can assure you that many of us left everything behind when we too left the org. For the most part, everyone reclaimed their lives and proceeded on to a better life. It really was not until the recent era of web based communication that people have shared what they saw or went through. Some people have no inclination to remind themselves of this part of their lives. That is fully understandable as people have kids and other things far more important. The recent spike in members who have contributed here and in other places is based on what happened to a young college kid named Jeremiah Duggan a few years ago in Germany. If you were around 20 years ago, then you have an understanding on how the org works. If you were around before that, then you can think back to the Chris White Brainwashing, mop-up , the money chicanery and other subjects. Up until Jeremiah Duggan's death, you hardly saw and info since many years have passed since Lyn shared his jail cell with Will Wertz. The org has decided to rewrite history to its yutes who were born when we were doing credit card shenanigans and issuing Larouche promisorry notes before the world economy collapses. The correction of history and info is more for the benefit of incoming youth who deserve to know what they are getting involved with. Finally, many of saw first hand the damage done to people and how callous the org really is in real world life. Quite a few have reacted in shock when they examined the anti semitic drippings of the org over time. The wealth of knowledge here has been put to very good use by people around the globe who use the web to find out about Larouche. Think of this as a public service. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 101 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Hi, realme. Your point is well taken - as far as it goes. I have found venting here very therapeutic because for a long time I silently carried around the guilt and shame first of no longer being a soldier for humanity as it were and then, as I matured, of having been in such a crazy cult and followed such a madman as Lyndon LaRouche. (The very name suggests the oddity within.) The anonymity here affords me the opportunity to seize power back from my former would-be brainwashers through truth, humor, and sarcasm. None of this however makes me a professional "ex-member": outside of this bulletin board I give as much attention to the ravings and carryings on of LaLush and his minions as I do to the weekly police blotter in a village circular. The most important part of this process you ignore entirely: we who post here truthfully about what occurs daily in the LaRouche organization and related front groups serve as a warning to young people who may be momentarily lured in by all the smoke and mirrors which are designed to manipulate politicised, idealistic youth with some social or emotional problems into an idol-worshipping, shady money-making racket. LaRouche will die very soon anyway - but why allow even one soul to squander a few of the most precious years of his or her life helping to prop up this wicked cult leader. Have a good day. www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 102 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
And lest one think LHL, Jr. sane, check out this recent nugget: Q: In one of your previous interviews, you mentioned that London is behind the idea of a possible strike on Iran. What is the basis of your argument? LaRouche: Well, first of all, the policy is a British policy, which certain people in the United States are connected to. For example, take the case of Dick Cheney, the Vice President. The Vice President is very close to Liz Symons, to whom he was introduced by his own wife, Lynne Cheney. And during the period, for example, between the time he was head of the Defense Department, under George Bush the First, and the time that he became the Vice President—and the acting president, practically—he negotiated certain contracts. So, the Liberal Imperialist crowd in London, which is the Blair-Jack Straw crowd, is actually the architect of this. But the architecture runs largely through international financial channels, such as George Shultz, who is a former Secretary of State, and who is the architect of the present Bush Administration: That is, the person who pulled it together to be elected. So, this is the key point from which this comes. It's an Anglo-American operation, but the policy itself, which is the British policy of the Arab Bureau, the so-called "anti-Islam policy," is what the motivation is. * This is your brain. This is your brain on LaRouche. | ||
| kheris Member Username: kheris Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.165.212.12 |
That is just too much for me Sancho, I nearly spewed my drink over my keyboard. I am sorry, but I have to laugh at the idiocy! It's absolutely priceless! What world does that man live on?! | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 103 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
Thanks, Kheris, but it's sad to think how much time it took to get to the point where one could see clearly that this guy was not only not a genius, but just a garden-variety crackpot of a type with which mental hospitals are replete. So I hope what we post here will scare kids (and others) away from squandering one second of their precious lives on this drivel. | ||
| xlcr4life Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 81 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
People sacrifice for small businesses and for various things which are important to them. What makes the org more perverse is how the things which you wish for which are good, will be hijacked by the cult's paranoia of the month offering. There was a show on the Science Channel on Mars which featured former member Bob Zubrin, now a PHD and advocate of space travel. The yutes may think they support this, but instead, have inherited Lyn and Helga's fascination with resurecting Nazi scientists and war criminals from the dead. So what a member thinks he or she is supporting is usually not what their efforts are actually supporting. Zubrin does real research for real scientists for real legislation and action. The yutes will be carting around a 20 year old VHS tape of Mars and telling you that "Nothing will happen without Larouche leading the trip to Mars". Today's crop of recruits may think that they are supporting an end to Iraq conflict. What they usually will not find out until it is too late is how much of lyn's lunacy about the Jews and 9/11 is spread in the Mid East by fellow anti semitic thinkers. Lyn's founding European member Webster Tarpley spreads a version of this lunacy through people have had a bad taste of Lyn from years ago. The yutes are not working for a Dem Pac, but doing PR for scary groups in the Mid East. We did the same thing decades ago for the South Africans and other Tin Pot dictators who we thought would support us. A lot of the money we recieved and meetings we did were not known by members at the time. In Leesburg, all of the dead enders who still hung around have been hung out to dry so to speak by Lyn. They cost too much and this travelling circus of LYM is cheaper. The joke of this is that those who hung around with Lyn waiting for the economic collapse, have now collapsed economically. Lym does not show up here because it works against them when college kids start doing searches on Larouche and find their axiomatic challenged lives here. The LYM yahoo group is now just date spam for losers postings. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| xlcr4life Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 82 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
This is from the Boston Globe. later, we will review some thing about this which is very troubling. Here is the URL so you can see the picture. It is here in two parts. xlcr4life@hotmail.com http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/04/14/colleges_consider_stressing_danger_of_pressure_groups/ Colleges consider stressing danger of pressure groups By Cristina Silva, Globe Staff | April 14, 2006 Dressed in sneakers and jeans, they hang out along the edges of campuses, handing out fliers and calling out to passing college students. Each group, students say, has a different, seemingly harmless opening line: ''Are you saved? Are you antiwar? Are you stressed out?" But some college officials say they view most of these groups as high-pressure organizations akin to cults. The groups have a history of recruiting vulnerable students and then alienating them from their parents and classmates. They say that the groups, many of which were banned from schools more than a decade ago, resurfaced on campuses this year. After years of doing little to educate students on the groups, some colleges are reconsidering whether they should do more to teach students about the dangers of cults. ''We want to keep our eyes and ears open to see if anyone is getting caught up in it," said Northeastern University's residence director, Seth Avakian. He submitted an editorial to the student newspaper in March on how to identify cults after several high-pressure groups appeared on campus last fall. The Boston Church of Christ, which was founded in Lexington in 1979, and the LaRouche Youth Movement, a political group founded by former presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche, are the two groups appearing most often on local campuses, officials said. The groups are considered high-pressure organizations because they have been accused of using strong-arm tactics to recruit and keep members. The church has raised concerns, its critics say, by telling students their parents are the devil and by assigning mentors, who tell students which classes to take so they don't miss the frequent church gatherings. The LaRouche group, its critics say, encourages members to drop out of school and spend their time recruiting new members. Cult awareness specialists says the group also threatens members who try to leave the group. Leaders of both organizations have said they are not cults. The church describes itself on its website as ''a family of nearly three thousand people in the Greater Boston area who are committed to following Jesus." Several calls placed to the church by the Globe were not returned. Barbara Boyd -- treasurer of the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee and a spokeswoman for the LaRouche Youth Movement, founded in 2000 -- called accusations against the group gossip. Members, who are sometimes called LaRouchies, are a part of a ''youth movement in the Democratic Party," fighting ''for ideas and real policies," Boyd wrote in an e-mail. Students say that recruiters, who are often college-age, can seem innocuous, but are persistent. Joshua Peters, a senior at Suffolk University, said he has been approached by a group he described as a yoga healing center that asked him to donate as much as $4,000 for the right to live on the group's commune in California and practice yoga. He could not remember the group's name. ''They will tell people, 'You need to be healed and fixed,' " he said. | ||
| xlcr4life Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 83 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.191.29.74 |
Part two of the Boston Globe article. Comments later about the card table shrine's latest victim. *********************************************** Chris Lee, 33, of Cambridge, executive director of REVEAL, a nonprofit group for former Boston Church of Christ members that tries to help people quit the organization, said a friend invited him to join the church when he was a sophomore at MIT in 1991. He was asked to leave the group when he was a senior after he questioned the group's leadership, he said. ''At first, it doesn't seem like you are getting involved with anything unusual," said Lee. ''They don't look expressionless or mindless." Administrators say they want to provide students with enough information to make an educated decision for themselves. At Worcester State College, school officials decided to set up a cult information web page after Boston Church of Christ members showed up on campus in September 2004, hosting Bible studies at the student center and talking to students about salvation. The group showed up again this fall and was repeatedly asked to leave campus before it stopped holding meetings, said Sibyl Brownlee, dean of student development. By then the church had recruited at least seven students, she said. At Boston University, several groups showed up in the fall, but those from the LaRouche Movement are the most active, said Ray Bouchard, director of the Office of the University Chaplain. They show up every week, he said. ''They say, 'Hey, we all hate Dick Cheney, don't we?' " he said. ''It's how they engage the students." University officials have discussed updating their cult information guides since the groups reappeared, but so far the school is distributing literature published more than five years ago, Bouchard said. Cult activity garnered statewide attention after dozens of universities began banning the Boston Church of Christ in the 1990s and forbade proselytizing on campus. The groups seemed to have a resurgence around 2001 and then faded for different reasons, said Steven A. Hassan, director of the Freedom of Mind Center in Cambridge, which offers counseling to former cult members. Hassan is a former member of the Unification Church, also known as the Moon cult, which had recruiters on BU's campus last fall. The Boston Church of Christ lost some steam after its founder, Thomas McKean, stepped down in 2002, Hassan said. The church has since regrouped and become active again, he said. Other groups, such as the LaRouche movement, have grown along with the unpopularity of President Bush's policies, because the organizations go after liberal college students, Hassan said. But while these groups have grown more widespread in the past years, colleges have not increased their cult-awareness education, Hassan said. ''The schools want to ignore it," he said. ''But they need to tell the students: 'Hey, here is a whole list of questions you should ask. You should ask who the name of their leader is, what their mission is.' " Still, some university officials say they're not too worried about the groups. Rabbi Al S. Axelrad, chairman of the Center for Spiritual Life at Emerson College, said students are too sophisticated to join the LaRouche Movement, which recently set up an information table near dorms on Boylston Street. ''It's always a lurking kind of danger, I admit that," he said. ''But mostly our students have enough on the ball to know to reject it." | ||
| sancho Intermediate Member Username: sancho Post Number: 105 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.115.71 |
''But mostly our students have enough on the ball to know to reject it." That's very true, but it is not those that the LaRouche cult seeks to attract - rather those who don't have much on the ball emotionally or socially. Those are the targets, the usually intellectually gifted misfits, which the LaRouche cult machine chews up and spits out. These misfits are the people who should be identified (not difficult to do) in their freshman year by peer advisors and others and given special counseling on the dangers of cults like that of LaRouche. I know. I was one such misfit with very little on the ball in terms of emotional or social maturity and had no idea what I was getting myself into - until it was too late. | ||
| realme New member Username: realme Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 4.249.201.48 |
I first posted here about a month ago and since then I’ve been trying to read this whole long train of postings. I’m only up to June 2005—got family to pay attention to and a career to work at—novel concepts for LCers. My wife says it’s unhealthy to spend too much time here—better to let the old crap go. Maybe she’s right. Some of the ex-members here still sound like members—all too ready to pontificate about one thing or another. One poster a few years ago even made a crack about ex-members who turned into greenies. Hey, we’re not in the org anymore—we’re all free to form our own beliefs and opinions, and we can even respect other people’s opinions. Screw the morning briefing. I was saddened to read about Jenny, the former music teacher and daughter of two LCers now chained to a life of card tablery herself. I knew her parents, and they never seemed like hard-core members; they always seemed to have money and some kind of job going on the side. But the comment about LC kids owing their existence to LHL being in prison—sorry—doesn’t hold water. Jenny and her age cohorts were born c. 1980, and the old jailbird wasn’t caged until the late 80s (1989 maybe?). In fact, lots of members had kids in the 80s. Well, not everyone—far from it. And some of the folks who had kids were marginal members. But VR and TR had two kids, and they have to be two of the tightest of the tight-••• members I ever met. Once, maybe 10 or 15 years ago, my wife asked VR her opinion of some item in the news, and VR began, “Well, Lyn says …” Ah yes! Must be nice not to have take the time or the trouble to form your own opinions. (You know the org has always supported a woman's right to choose--that woman's name is Nancy Spannaus.) But the saddest thing of all, at least for me, is to read about Mike Billington’s shenanigans. Gail waited for the ••••••• how many years?--nine or ten?--while the scam artist was in prison. She waited while her childbearing years ran out. She once told me her fantasies about having a daughter. And now Mike goes and diddles the young recruits, shows them his higher hypothesis and nests his manifold. And Gail’s supposed to be too fat? She was always skinny as a rail when I knew her. One of the younger people here posted something about Ted in LA. Would that be Ted with the Greek last name? I bet it is. He was the bane of my existence decades ago, and now it seems he has a whole new crop to torment. And yet I have a soft spot in my heart for him. I’m totally hardhearted towards the National Office apparatchiks, but the regional folk—they made plenty members suffer but they suffered too. Ted’s wife DA used to talk on and on about how she and all the other women in the org would have babies nine months after the revolution. Still waiting I guess; those babies’ little unborn souls up in heaven with Lyn’s unborn revolution. Forgive me while I ramble on and on. Maybe someone will figure out who I am. I’ve racked my brains trying to guess who some of the anonymi are—I have a few guesses but I’m none too sure (if I were an LCer that wouldn’t be a problem—Lcers are never unsure about anything). More to come ... | ||
| realme New member Username: realme Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 4.249.201.48 |
Part 2 After I quit (more than 20 years ago) I hung around for a few years as a “supporter.” I did a little translating from German for the org, mostly scientific stuff but once I tried my hand at poetry, Schiller of course, even though I found him a pompous poet, perfectly suited to Wertz’s “beauteous” translations. Anyway, Schiller was a fierce partisan for the Protestant side, rather inconvenient for the org in its Catholic phase. I came across a line castigating the “Vatikan” and I foolishly translated that as against the Vatican. What would you expect from a blocked ex-member? By the time it saw print, it had been changed to “Jesuits.” A lot of folks here refer to the anti-semitic jokes of years back. The ashtray in the VW joke was particularly offensive. Then, just a few months ago, I heard a variation of that joke on NPR! An Iranian newspaper had started an anti-semitic joke contest as retaliation for the Muhammed cartoons, and an Israeli guy said, no way, Jews are the best at anti-Semitic jokes, so he started his own contest. And the Israeli guy read the damn ashtray joke on the air! I don’t know what to say about that one. To the parents of newly recruited members: Your kid is going to do what she or he is going to do, and if you nag them, you’ll make it worse. My wife and I probably stayed in a couple of years longer than we would have because her father was such a damn anti-LaRouche nag, and we hated to give him the satisfaction. We never told her parents when we quit; I guess they just figured it out after a few years. So, parents, tell your kid you disagree with them, but you recognize their right to live as they wish. Tell them you love them and you’ll always be there for them. Give them gifts of food or clothing when appropriate but never money, and take them out to a nice restaurant now and then if you can afford it and if they’ll let you. And prepare yourself to be verbally abused, but take it cheerfully. And take a deep breath and wait. A few questions for previous posters: Someone mentioned a spate of Leesburg funerals. Who died in the last few years? I saw Primack and Sonnenblick in the local papers, and I heard about P |
