| Author | Message | ||
     M (69.242.21.100) |
you have heard the horror stories of this group that "sues" people for thier living the faith in society .. | ||
| M (69.242.21.100) |
the ACsmellu strikes again in Delaware interfering with a community of people that are praying together .. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
Balderdash! If you have a story, tell it. Otherwise, keep the slanderous innuendo to yourself. The name of this forum is FACTNet. | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
i have facts and many are coming soon as those that have been affected by the corrupt Acsmellu,are ready with thier stories | ||
| Anonymous (199.141.125.33) |
If the ACLU was interested in protecting Constitutional safeguards, you would think that they would defend the "free exercise" clause of the Constitution. The ACLU has their own advocacy and they do not protect everyone's rights and civil liberties. They don't live up to what their name should imply. | ||
| MMMMM (69.242.21.100) |
whats the name of the org/group that is similar and related to aclu ? | ||
| MMMMM (69.242.21.100) |
now alot of Hollywood liberals are donating millions to the ACLU | ||
| gopack44jv (gopack44jv) New member Username: gopack44jv Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.123.176.5 |
check this out - new way to think | ||
| tiredofit (tiredofit) New member Username: tiredofit Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 12.207.221.107 |
Plain and simple. I would rather my children get mixed up in the craziest cult in the world than to work for the ACLU. I would rather my kids deny God than fight him! | ||
| hummbabybear (hummbabybear) New member Username: hummbabybear Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 64.168.12.18 |
The ACLU consistently declines to defend religious discrimination issues. For example, they will fight for the rights of athiests (pledge of allegiance issue) over the rights of religious people (limits on pro-life protesters). The good news is that the ACLU has competition from other organizations, like the Thomas More Law Center and the American Center for Law and Justice, who believe in religious freedom. | ||
| gawain (gawain) New member Username: gawain Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.17.150.253 |
Ironically, the Radical Right runs to the ACLU when they think their freedoms are being menaced. The ACLU protects all our rights. Atheists are a minority in the US & such groups need protection from the legions of Christian extremists, theocrats, & crusaders. | ||
| jamesstjohnsmythe (jamesstjohnsmythe) New member Username: jamesstjohnsmythe Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.22.84.204 |
True Gawain, take for example the GOP(Greedy Oppressive Punks) the politcal machine the Christian extremists has in their blood money fulled pockets. In which the GOP has more control of both the Senate, House and the White House. So it's great the ACLU protects the rights of non christians. The ACLU knows for fact the US Constitution promotes the general welfare meaning that every human being has rights. If the christian fundamentalist could, they would burn and destroy the US Constitution like the Imperialist pigs that they are. And speaking of the Thomas More Law Center, a year ago they had a special cruise and their guest of honor was Bill O'Reilly. But they happen to cancel it.  | ||
| gawain (gawain) Member Username: gawain Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 151.203.144.29 |
Maybe they realised O'Reilly was one of the many notable Repub draft dodgers: http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html | ||
| jamesstjohnsmythe (jamesstjohnsmythe) New member Username: jamesstjohnsmythe Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.22.84.204 |
I don't think O'Reilly is a Republican, he's more of a fascist, metally-ill, pervert. Just remember the case "Fox News vs Al Franken" Fox News "claims" their for the First Amendment but contradict themselves sueing Al Franken. What a knee slapper! | ||
| gawain (gawain) Member Username: gawain Post Number: 89 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 151.203.144.29 |
The Repubs are crypto-fascists to begin with. Paul Harvey recently broadcast praise for the white invaders who handed out smallpox-infected blankets to the Native Americans. And he's been allowed to spread his poison on-air for decades. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Intermediate Member Username: godchild Post Number: 475 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.33 |
Exerpts from a CNN news report titled 'Accident Kills 4 Scout leaders at Jamboree' contained the following exerpts: A lawsuit filed by the ACLU of Illinois contends that the Defence Department's sponsorship violates the first amendment because the Scouts require members to swear and oath of duty to God. The Boy Scouts have held the event every four years since 1937. The next gathering is set for 2010, five years from now, to coincide with the groups 100th anniversary. But it may not be held at the Fort A.P. Hill, which has hosted the Jamboree since 1981. A federal judge recently ruled that the Pentagon can no longer financially support the event. If the ruling stands, the Boy Scouts would have to find another location for their next gathering. In exchange for getting the use of the Army training base, the Scouts have spent about $20 million on base improvements. The Army says it uses the Jamboree as an opportunity to train personnel in crowd control, communications, and other logistical skills. --The Associated Press | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) New member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 130.253.32.156 |
The constitution guarantees the right to the exercise of free religion. There has to be a balance of establishment and exercise clauses. However, people for the Americn Way and Freedom from Religion have joined ACLU in reinterpreting the exercise clause as the establishment clause and have raged a war to remove any trace of christian heritage of the USAas well as any religious symbol. This month, we are celebrating Thanksgiving. It is simply not the turkey and the pumpkin pie. It is reminder that the pilgrims came here only to have the freedom to worship the creator of all, Lord Jesus christ. There is nothing in the constitution to even suggest that there is a Wall between the Church and the State. In a small town in Michigan, there are 10,000 Polish families. In the past few years, the Muslims have come and occupied. They have introduced a bill in the city council that allows the muslims to Broadcast "ARABIC PRAYERS" 5 times a day over the Loudspeakers. It is ironic that the churches cannot ring their bells on Sundays because of the noise codes. In California, 7th graders are to dress like Jihadists, change their names and pretend that they are guarding their faith. Above all, they must read Koran. Well, anyone can read anything. But, if a teacher / student either reads a Bible or even carries inside a school, this is forbidden. Where is ACLU? ACLU is promuslim, prohindu, proBuddhist. But, it is Antichristian. Since, it is violating the rights of Christians, it must be dissolved under the RICO statutes, its assets must be seized and distributed to the under privileged who cannot afford any lawyer. | ||
| deliciously_suspicious (deliciously_suspicious) New member Username: deliciously_suspicious Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 24.42.77.204 |
That's some fine logic, inkorrekt. It leads me to 2 possible conclusions: 1) It's all tongue-in-cheek and your name is really an adjective. 2) You're dumb. I wonder if you can find one example of the ACLU telling people to read the Koran or Talmud or any Buddhist text and to totally disregard the bible. Or any real example of Anti-christian behaviour. Restricting the pervasiveness of Christianity in our culture is not the same as being pro-Buddhist/Muslim/Zoroastrian/Hindu/Sikh/Jewish/etc Following your logic, it must mean that, as well as limiting the presence of christianity in schools, etc, the ACLU must simultaneously be making children recite Zen Koans or read the Koran. Oh wait, they're not? I thought so. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1168 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Christians live to be persecuted, they love it, it makes them feel more like Jesus. If they are not being persecuted, they will go out of their way to be persecuted. It is a central theme. Even if nothing important is going on, they will feel persecuted. They will even boycott Wal-Mart for having a "holiday" sale instead of a "christmas" sale. That's critical. He's right about California though, i've been there, they all dress like jihadists. The ACLU even supplies them with explosive belts and sends them to Christian churches. | ||
| am2 (am2) Intermediate Member Username: am2 Post Number: 332 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
I think christians who think they are being persecuted need to stop whining and learn about what real persecution is about. The day they take away the right to worship, then it will be persecution. | ||
| cky (cky) Junior Member Username: cky Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
Agreed, but the ACLU should discriminate against the 2nd amendment. | ||
| the_abominable_snowman (the_abominable_snowman) New member Username: the_abominable_snowman Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.72.21.117 |
The ACLU has no duty to limit Christian intervention into the public realm. Their self-proclaimed duty is to protect the civil liberties of all Americans. I am not certain why it should matter what religion they are, in fact the ACLU's official position is that it does not matter. (But they clearly do not practice what they preach. Rarely do they help Christians who have been wrongfully denied a certain right based on religion.) Christians are not persecuted by any means. But the intentions of the ACLU are still obvious. For those who do not believe the ACLU disfavors Christians, even many nonreligious have proclaimed their annoyance with the ACLU's biased nature. Denying the ACLU's discrimination is as foolish as proclaiming the persecution of Christians. (Message edited by the_abominable_snowman on January 08, 2006) | ||
| cky (cky) Member Username: cky Post Number: 59 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.29.7.43 |
They uphold the "separation of church and state" in the constitution. But I am not crazy about them. When is the last time they upheld the 2nd ammendment? | ||
| safenowinspite (safenowinspite) Intermediate Member Username: safenowinspite Post Number: 173 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.178.132.131 |
Ive read the constitution where they say that separation of church and state exists, but I dont see it. Also from what Ive noticed about the cases the ACLU takes on down through the years, they mostly defend the attackers rights and not the victems. They deffinately draw a line between people having freedom of religion and people having freedom to harm others such as child rapists and suspected terrorists. Just an observation. Im no legal mind, just a grandma who watches. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1459 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
check out the first ammendment | ||
| cky (cky) Intermediate Member Username: cky Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
Or learn to read | ||
| themill (themill) Intermediate Member Username: themill Post Number: 118 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 196.40.43.218 |
Maybe they decided not to take on the whiny Christians cases. They whiny about everything and would over load the ACLU with ridiculous cases Christians bring up. "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV) Christians never practice what their own bible tells them. Keep your faith to yourself, you do that then there's no problem to take to court | ||
| sammy (sammy) Junior Member Username: sammy Post Number: 27 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 66.90.198.127 |
ACLU supports NAMBLA. Nuff said. http://logo.cafepress.com/3/2636762.530363.jpg http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7286/ACLU-satan.jpg | ||
| jamesstjohnsmythe (jamesstjohnsmythe) New member Username: jamesstjohnsmythe Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.22.84.204 |
Let's look at the connection the Seperation of Church and State and the First Amendment for a moment. Why did the Pilgrims left Europe? Cause the ruling religious entity dictated what god should be worshipped. When the Founding Farthers were drafting the Federal Constitution, they weren't thinking about Jesus. They had the General Welfare Principle on their minds. Meaning it's the sovereign individual's right to worship any god that suits him or her. Here's another historical fact, in 1930's Germany. You think Hitler allowed Judaism practiced under his rule? He didn't, that's why he's a facist, for taking German people's civil liberties away. So if there was no Seperation of Church and State then the First Amendment would been violated. | ||
| jamesstjohnsmythe (jamesstjohnsmythe) New member Username: jamesstjohnsmythe Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.22.84.204 |
inkorrekt: Christians have done far worst. In 2003, a Alabama state supreme court chief justice planted a stone monument of the "Ten Commandments" in the lobby of the court building. Falsely claiming the US Constitution is based on the "Ten Commandments". Again christians trying to subject their xtian rules upon laws of the land. Read Exodus 20 ver. 3-12, where in the US Constitution does it say Thou shalt worship other gods (So much for the First Amendment), thou shalt not work on the sabbath(Sunday)(Shouldn't we arrest those single mothers out there who are working long hrs including Sundays to make ends meet?), thou shalt honour thy farther and thy mother(Looks like every juvenile hall in the US will be full). Look at the quack job in the Oval Office, who started a war with a nation had nothing to do with terrorist cause he thinks "God" told him to do so. But at same time Bush is cutting government programs like Medicare, schools, and other programs that is essential for the survival of the General Welfare. But at the same time give tax breaks to the wealthy, fund only the christian churches under the facist "Faith Base initiative". Probably thinks "God" told him to do such thing. And your worry about a city council in Michigan passed a bill that allows the muslims to broadcast "ARABIC PRAYERS" 5 times a day over the loudspeakers. And it's probably bothering to you, some shockjocks like Howard Stern cursing on air. It's wondering why more people are againest xtians and/or becoming atheist. Almost all you christians are such prima donnas. If you're that angry at the ACLU, there's always the Thomas More Law Center which represents christianity. Here's the link: http://www.thomasmore.org/ James St. John Smythe | ||
| viet_bong (viet_bong) New member Username: viet_bong Post Number: 9 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 70.26.242.23 |
i always thought the aclu fought for those who cant really fight as hard for themselves as other groups can. christians dont need the aclu, they are strong enough to fight alone, if they would all get together. | ||
| viet_bong (viet_bong) New member Username: viet_bong Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 70.26.242.23 |
dear ACLU please dont sue me i didnt mean not to put your name in capitals in the last post. |
