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     kheris (kheris) New member Username: kheris Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.145.204.12 |
Does the phrase 'ad hominem' mean anything to you Steve? You wish to impugn the credibility of XLCR, but seem quite happy to accept the obvious contradictions between what LHL's followers claim and what LHL's own publications reveal. The information from the old Campaigners and the cites from court cases must be too much to handle. Rather than deal with the underlying issue about LHL - Is this man someone that people should trust as a leader; a role he has publicly assumed - you would rather focus on one of the people raising questions about this alleged leader's capabilities. Shifting the focus from LHL's claims and assertions to one of his antagonists seems to be SOP. Schlanger tried that with me by impugning my intelligence in an email after a post that quoted LaRouche. I don't think they teach you that at Yale, at least I hope not. Because when you take that approach you have given up the argument and have lost. Sorry to see that happen with you Steve. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) New member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
No one deprogrammed me, and I can read and examine LaRouche's scribblings for myself. You still refuse to address the impoverishment (intellectual, emotional, spiritual, as well as economic) of the rank-and-file NCLC member. Don't fool yourself that you have any kind of intellectual life in that organization: all you people do is handwave, you don't actually read or study anything, just apply a patina of LaRouche's autodidactic dementia to your own wilfully blank slates. This extreme poverty is all you need witness to give the lie to the organization's putatively "humanist" platform. And to the best of my knowledge none of the people who were witnesses against your god murdered people, killed cats, slashed tires, libeled and detracted against others, made cowardly anonymous phone calls, Jew-baited, consorted with known criminals and/or Nazis and/or KKK-sympathizers and/or corrupt politicians while grubbing for handouts. (LaRouche must be a true child of the depression, the way he grubs for loose change like a miser.) If you want the story of a brainwashing, why don't you read what LaRouche did to Chris White in the early 1970's: even a sub-par mind like yours should be able to see how loony that was. And all because Lyndy Marcus lost his girl ... bathetic. What a man. Lastly, I have a file in the local police precinct detailing my involvement in this cult, with express instructions that if anything at all of an outre character should occur to my family or me, the first place they should look is LAROUCHE, STEINBERG, ET AL. I suggest those of you who post against these fascist creeps do likewise for your own protection, so that you don't become another Jeremiah Duggan. www.justiceforjeremiah.com (Message edited by lyndylalush on August 26, 2005) (Message edited by lyndylalush on August 26, 2005) | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) New member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.42 |
One of the most penetrating analyses of the intellectual fraud of Lyndon LaRouche can be found at http://www.justiceforjeremiah.com/george.html George's point that LaRouche discusses ideas in terms of persons (e.g., Maxwell) rather than ideas (e.g., electrodynamic potential) is particularly insightful and pertinent. He is also quite correct to recognize the adolescent character of that mode of argumentation. As an ex-member, the last shreds of my respect for LaRouche's work have been inspired by some of his "ideas," but now I am left wondering what his whole life has been about, anyway, if not (evidently bogus because never-peer-reviewed) ideas? The truth is that the International Caucus of Labor Committees (LaRouche's core huddle behind all the front groups) is nothing but 100% criminal enterprise. I know how sorry I am to have squandered five minutes on this cult: I can't even imagine George's sorrow and regret that his own son continues to waste his whole life in a criminal gang. | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.214 |
Steven, If the topic in controversy is Larouche's credibility, then why are you using his book as your sources, isn’t this bias, if not stupid! And as Kheris pointed out, you are shifting away from all the evidence we have provided by singling out Chris Curtis. The rest of us have posted evidence as well and It should'nt be so difficult to look into, just scroll up and click on the anti-semitic quote links i provided. We are all waiting for your response to these quotes, and don’t give us a lame metaphor. I want you to explain to me how these quotes are not anti-semitic. You see, this is very relevant because this is what ignited the “psychotic ramblings of King and media outlets”. Oh and you really got us there with the Cult Awareness agents, was that a front setup by the Fabian Society? By the way, you should really read the link lyndylalush posted above on intellectual fraud. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) New member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Of course LaLush, Inc. claims this and that about the sponsors of FACTNet (about whom I otherwise know nothing). Let's assume that that's all true, that the sponsors of FACTNet are Tavistock-linked blah-blah-blahs. They do however identify seven coercive mind control tactics which, what, were invented just to thwart the grandiosity of LaLush's dying organization? See: http://www.factnet.org/coercivemindcontrol.html If you are a member of the LC and have the capacity to be honest with yourself, you will easily see that you have been subjected to Tactics 2 through 7: that's SIX out of SEVEN, boys and girls. What we have here is a CULT - if you still have rudimentary powers of deduction available to you, or value yourself as a person of infinite worth, as an end in yourself, and not a means toward the end of supporting the maintenance of Helga's canines. Oops, my Anglo-Zionist-Jesuit-Freemasonic-Venetian-Oligarchical controllers are calling me ... gotta run. Ta ta. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
Since October is approaching, Steve brings up a question of Halloween fun. "An unbiased court could only dismiss these witnesses' testimony as worthless. The final blow to their credibility was delivered when witnesses Steve Bardwell and Charles Tate were forced to confirm descriptions of a Halloween Party held on October 31, 1986, in which former NCLC members celebrated the huge FBI raid, earlier that month, on the offices of LaRouche-associated organizations.” (another source circulating) " Steve, let me review some of this for you. We were working around the clock to raise money for TV spots during the election. Or so we thought. Convicted felon Will Wertz ran our fundraising operations with full blessing of Lyn. Let me emphasize that NOTHING in the org's coffers or writings or anything is done without Lyn's approval. The only documents Lyn does not review are the resignation letters from soon to be ex members. Money was coming in from several sources. Card table shrines sold lit and subscriptions and generated "contacts". We also purchased and in some cases "borrowed" lists of right wing subscribers from the Liberty Lobby and other outfits. We would call cold lists of Reagan contributors for example. The whole org was now a fundraising machine where we went from making 150 K on a good week to now making a half million and sometimes 800 K whenever Helga sent a new memo. In the middle of all of this was another thing we set up called a "specials" team. There job was to cull our lists and find people who could give us some huge bucks. During this, we came across people who had money locked up in stocks and other investments. The idea came about to access that money by offering them something better. You could now support our efforts and make some money at the same time. We then had numerous meetings with people who invested money with us in a real estate operation which purchased land in Leesburg and was going to develop it with office buildings. Since we would occupy some of this, we could guarantee certain rental income. I wonder if Lindylush ever knew about this as he may have been in when we did this. We also had our numerous companies issue promissory notes with 18 to 24 % rates for people who had CDs or stocks that they could liquidate and then invest with us. More money was being raised, but, Lyn has a nice taste of the good life. We found some guy to buy us a huge estate where Lyn and Helga coronated themselves as King and Queeen of Leesburg. The parties started and we would fly in our top money prospects to have a word with Lyn over cases of Rheingau wine while the Schiller Institute minstrels put on a show. While the bubbly was flowing, members like Lindylush were given 5 bucks a day. While the loans were coming in, members of the finance office saw the numbers and how there was no way we could pay this back since we were diverting huge sums of money to Lyn and the security black hole. Many people in the finance office took off. Over time, people would call us up and ask where there quarterly payment was. We did a song and dance about death treats to Larouche and how could they be such swine for asking for money. They were treated with as much contempt by the King and Queen of Leesburg as the field serfs were being treated. The holders of these notes then called Lawyers to get their money back. Many of the people who were in the legal office saw the avalanche of Law Suits and also took off. People in security were also seeing this screwy nightmare of endless bubbly with other people's credit cards and investments and saw how Lyn was being fleeced by con artists who had Lyn better profiled that anyone else. These guys would feed Lyn's enormous ego's with endless made up plots and stories which only made Lyn real feel like athe Philospher King of the Univers he imagined himself to be.Some of the security people saw the writing on the wall and took off. So now we have hundreds of complaints filed with state and local offices around the US over these notes and CC problems. The investigations start up and Lyn now appoints a guy named Ed Spannous as the legal genius of the org. Never mind that real lawyers who were in the LC took off earlier as they saw what was going on. During these times, we talked tough, but many members were wondering if they would enjoy a life in prison for Larouche. So now you did some dirty work in raising money, saw your contacts getting screwed, and then saw the liquor bills for Lyn's estate. Remember Steve, while we were telling the serfs that all they could get was 5 bucks to prevent nuclear war, Helga's dogs were flying acroos the Atlantic for 5 THOUSAND bucks. People talk, people gossip, people get calls and invitations from Grand Juries. A lot of people came to their senses and left. Steve, don't you think that in prosecuting execs from Enron, World Com and Adelphia that people who worked there would be good witnesses Steve, are you willing to go to prison for Lyn? You are being manipulated for this every day when you start off your day by singing Slave spirituals and worshipping Joan of Arc. We did the same thing in our choices of classes, play and NS centerfold subjects. Here is a story about how Lyn was fooled and why some security people left. A guy showed up who was a friend or something like that of the security guys we were hiring from Georgia. He convinced us that for a few hundred thousand, Lyn could be placed on a list of "protected assests" of the National Security Agency and have virtual immunity from problems. The members were told that Lyn's friends in the CIA would "fix" the grand juries and just like in the cheap Spy novels security read, the problem would "disapear". We syphoned over two hundred thousand to give to him. This guy then bought a farm in Virginia with a nice house and told us that it would serve as an outpost and safe house. He came back to us and got thousands more by convincing Lyn that he needs to buy some cows to make the place "fly under the radar". After a few months, the guy never came back and we were out a cool quarter million. Now lets talk about Halloween. Steve, that was a hell of a party son. About 30 or so members who left the NYC operations were keeping in touch with each other. People did this as support as what the hell does one do after leaving a cult which took several years of your life. People swapped plans about going back to school or business. For a while, a few people had get togethers over holidays like the 4th of July or Labor day and Halloween. Lyn and other members were indicted. I think the Wertz screwed some people real bad with his bravado and lunacy that people decided to do something big one year. Rather than have a party with a Dracula outfit. it was decided that the theme would be the LC. God this was funny as people's creativity came back to life and people showed up in hilarious costumes. I can't remember every costume, but we had: Lyn in prison stripes with a ball and chain. A Knight of Malta. A couple dressed up as credit cards. Helga as the Bride of Frankenstein. It was a kick ass party and one which will go down in history Steve. You see, the worst thing you can do to the King of the Universe is make fun of his lunacy. Go back several months and see the kids in Seattle who did the same thing on a college campus http://www.elsewhere.org/gallery/tinfoil-beanie http://www.livejournal.com/users/kazzman/45914.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/razzyfazzy/13622.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/razzyfazzy/15317.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/razzyfazzy/15479.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/romlock/157846.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/stargirl04/59768.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/geriatricmuppet/61681.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/geriatricmuppet/61191.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/habituallydaft/634370.html Speaking of Halloween specials. Steve, did you see The Simpsons Halloween special "Tresshouse of Horror VII"?Here is the part where Lyn is mentioned. ************************************************** Kodos explains that they're on a mission of conquest, and need to locate Earth's leader. Homer: I guess you mean President Clinton. He usually hangs around Washington, D.C. Kang: President Clin-Ton? Excellent. Homer: Except, um... there's this election next week, so after that, it might not be him anymore. It might be what's-his-name, uh... Mumbly Joe, uh... I saw him on TV the other... uh... Bob Dole! -- The well-informed American voter, "Treehouse of Horror VII" This election complicates matters a bit, so Kang and Kodos decide to abduct both candidates. Their first target is Bob Dole, who's walking out of the Republican National Committee. Ugh, Bob Dole doesn't need this. -- Bob Dole being abducted by aliens, "Treehouse of Horror VII" Next is Bill Clinton, who they pull through the roof of the White House, still in bed. Wha-wha-wha what's happening? Is it noon already? -- Bill Clinton being abducted by aliens, "Treehouse of Horror VII" Dole and Clinton are stripped bare naked (urgh!) and pushed into some kind of tube. What the hell is this, some kind of tube? -- Bob Dole, in some kind of tube, "Treehouse of Horror VII" Dole's tube quickly fills up with some sort of fluid which stops his movements, yet keeps him alive. Clinton thanks Kang and Kodos for taking care of Dole for him, but he soon goes through the same process. The aliens link themselves to the tubes, and initiate a bio-duplication. In other words, Kang and Kodos take the shape of Dole and Clinton, respectively. Oh, no! Aliens, bio-duplication, nude conspiracies... Oh my God! Lyndon LaRouche was right! -- Homer, "Treehouse of Horror VII" Kodos: What? Are you still here? I'm afraid we'll have to dispose of you... [pushes a button] [out of somewhere comes a cannon, which reveals a smaller cannon, which reveals an even smaller one, from which emerges a tube, spraying Homer] Homer: What are you spraying me with? Kang: Rum. So no one will believe your story. [Kodos kicks Homer off the saucer] Kodos: And don't come back. -- That should take care of him, "Treehouse of Horror VII" ************************************************* Now let us move on to something Steve mentioned concerning Nuclear war. Steve, did you notice the words that Ron Bettag used in the Appendix I posted about dealing with a person who wants his money back on a promissory note hustle? Nuclear war, like the "impending economic crash" is just one of the magic trickls Lyun can pull out of his hat. You see, it all started back in the mid 1970's when we came across some think tank's article about a Nato maneuver during the Cold War. It was called "Hilex" or MC14/4. Lyn has ALWAYS used the threat of nuclear war to make your ass move a little bit faster at the card table shrine and to cut your money back. You whip up the members into a mass panic and have them mobe like rabbits 24/7. Lyn begins to issue numerous press releases from a safe house. (A Larouche safe house means that it has a wine celler) The call is issued for a million run leaflets and you have the members calling more people for more money to prevent nuclear war. We did the same thing during the Jimmy Carter elections of 1976 and 1980. We did the same thing during the Mondale and Dukakis elections. We do the same thing during the Cheney years. A nuclear war mobe also becomes the best way to divert questions of the org. Leni in Glendale is famous for having her own catch phrase. "Don't you know that a nuclear bomb can drop down on us any minute now?". Steve, this stuff is so predictable that I could write the briefings for you every day and you would never know the difference. I could spin a wheel with: -Nuclear war. -Economic collapse. -Threats to stop Lyn. -Building a mass movement. -Baby Boomers now. (It used to be Yuppies, environmentalists and the counterculture) -Satanists and the Dark Ages. and give you your marching orders without missing a beat. So what is your take on the "Mars Society"? Surely the org must have a view. xlcr4life@hotmail.com next time we will get together about the org and gays. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
"Rather, I would like to take the opportunity here to give my counter-thesis, an antithesis it would seem, by nature and not by my design, which should reveal my best approximation of a truthful reality concerning the current subject."--"Steve" LMFAO! Methinks Steve is a troll from _The Daily Show_ since one could not do a better parody of the patented LaLush prose style; either that or he gets to log in once a week from a State institution of higher mentation. If there's another such Halloween party, I'd like to go as Ramsey Clark, painted half-black and half-white as was Frank Gorshin in the "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" episode of the original Star Trek television series. Clark was evil incarnate (prior to Lyndy's homoerotic fixation on Kissinger) - until of course Clark came to Lyndy's defense, after which the former was bleached of all sin. Sancho_Everyman@hotmail.com www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| taavis_doc (taavis_doc) New member Username: taavis_doc Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.101.4.5 |
Steven, Actually, the main point of interest in this discourse is the astonishing severity of your own myopic delusion. It is you who turns a blind eye to any meaningful cultivation. You have been presented with much proof--including documents from St. Larouche himself--that tends to support the claims being made here regarding the LYM. Yet you evade this evidence repeatedly in favor of focusing on Mr. Curtis's (entirely understandable and reasonable) role in the legal proceedings against Larouche. You are fooling nobody; address the evidence offered or admit that you have nothing (or at least nothing but silly and pretentious rhetorical mannerisms in homage to the great one). What about the overt anti-semitism from The Campaigner? The Star of David as somehow emblematic of the international heroin trade? The "mommy fears" that preclude radical activism? ("Beyond Psychoanalysis," a.k.a. "Freud for 7th Graders") The credit card shenanigans? The Nixonesque "dirty tricks?" (oh, but then Watergate was all a ruse perpetrated ON Nixon according to Larouche, right?) How can you align yourself with an ethos so deranged Steven? It is worth noting that the one flash of honesty in your apologist/propagandist offerings here has been the conspicuous, i.e. "out of character," rant that included: "We need to educate the average ignorant citizen of the reality which is controlling world affairs in general. Follow my footsteps. Come to my home. Come with me, follow me . . . You guys are in an absolute dream world . . . The average citizen is a hopeless cause, unless he or she is confronted by a "LaRouchie" in a college campus, at a bank, outside of a Wal-Mart, etc. Prove me wrong. I would love it if you did, but the scientific fact is that no one is willing to. In terms of acadamia and intellectual integrity, not one person here has had the ability or even the will to answer the tough questions. I do. So I fight." The arrogance on display here is typical of the young and partially educated. You have been puffed up by your handlers to believe that you are some kind of elite truth-teller, a co-holder of the "secrets of the inner elite," to borrow the title of a particularly dubious bit of fluff. When presented with evidence that contradicts--indeed demolishes--this insular world view (which nonetheless swears an allegiance to "humanism," i.e. non-insularity) you simply attack the speaker, impugn his motives, or declare his intellectual ignorance. This conveniently moves you past the actual issues at hand. You are fooling nobody. Steven, it is not so much that a particular cabal has persisted throughout history, e.g. the "black Guelphs," or "sydicalist-oligarchists," etc. but rather that a METHODOLOGY --one which calls for equal parts sophistry, belittlement, scapegoating, rabid self-promotion, and monomania--has persisted throughout history. It has changed hands many times, and one is right to be wary of it. Indeed, this historical tendency is only one of several that is easily discernible. What you don't understand, Steven, is that St. Larouche is not OPPOSING this tendency so much as he is happily partaking of it. He is a symptom of the evils he occassionally accurately describes, not a solution to them. There is nothing even mildly original in his program. I will repeat my earlier point--one of many that you won't or can't--address: Larouche is a run of the mill fascist, a "little Hitler" as the ADL accurately described him. He is also a reasonably shrewd businessman; he knows where to find the cheapest labor and how to manufacture the illusion of satisfied needs. Again Steven, where are the other public intellectuals who might sign up for the Larouche plan? Is his genius really so singular that he has no peers? And what exactly are you learning at Yale about citing sources? You offer as counter-evidence a Larouch publication? The card table shrine may be grooming you for a career in used car sales, but I'd advise you to stay away from practicing law. The youthfulness that blinds you may yet prove an asset; after all, you have plenty of time to wake up and redirect your efforts toward some more promising endeavor. I sincerely wish the best for you. Let the successes of the other defectors--generously cataloged above--be a testament to this possibility. ------------------------------------------------- P.S. I will trade you my Nassau 78 Grateful Dead bootleg, featuring over 4 hours of the instrumental "Space," in the correct tuning of course, for any Dead tapes or Beatles mixes that you might be grooving to this semester, man. Peace-out and happy harmonizing with those Yale SOBs who are perpetuating the Tavistock mind control program. Really, stuff like this is hard to make up: http://www.thesobs.net/modules.php?name=alumni&memberID=175 http://www.thesobs.net/modules.php?name=music | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
$100 to anyone who can explain clearly what the "Dirichlet Principle" is after reading Bruce Director's rambling at http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3223_lym_dirichlet.html : * What Does LaRouche Mean by `Dirichlet Principle'? Director: Well, it comes out of an investigation that began initially with Leibniz, into the question of basically: How does one know how the physical universe operates? And essentially, how can we investigate not only the physical world, but also how can we investigate the way we investigate the physical world? And Leibniz deals with this, in a particular context, having to deal with the question of "powers," but Leibniz's investigation goes back all the way to the ancient Greeks. And this investigation by Leibniz was continued through Gauss, and Gauss's collaborators, Dirichlet and Riemann. Probably the best way for people to get a sense of it, is to look at it from the standpoint that Lyn is approaching it, which is from the standpoint of economics. If you look at the situation that we face right now, as Lyn has emphasized: We are in a global financial collapse. There are two things happening here: One is a financial collapse, which is the collapse of derivatives markets and financial systems and so forth. And that in itself poses some political problems, but that's not the biggest problem we face. The biggest problem we face, is the effect of over 40 years of a policy of deindustrialization and collapse in the physical economy. And so, we have to look at, now, what are the principles of economics, that we have to understand and come to some agreement on, so that we can develop those kinds of economic policies which will have the greatest impact in shifting the direction of the physical economy as a whole. Schlanger: Now, Bruce, this idea of physical economy, actually LaRouche identifies as a discovery of Leibniz. Director: Correct. And Leibniz is the first one to enunciate the idea of physical economy. But, of course, you can already see the epistemological implications of physical economy, in the subjects that Plato is treating in his dialogues. Because this really is the question of what is the nature of man, and what is man's relationship to the universe as a whole? And so, with Leibniz, you have for the first time a self-conscious investigation, or self-conscious understanding, of how this process works, with respect to man's relationship from the standpoint of society to the transformation of the physical economy. But it really doesn't get clarified, until Lyn's groundbreaking work in economics, which has come to be known as the LaRouche-Riemann Method of Economics. But this is precisely what we have to look at right now. Because, you've got a collapse of the physical basic capacity for the development of mankind occurring globally right now. And the question is, what kind of projects can we implement? What kind of policy initiatives can we take, that will give us the greatest shift in the entire direction of the global economy as a whole? As opposed to trying to deal with little problems, one by one by one. * $1,000 to anyone who can explain what this has to do with the work of Dirichlet: http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Dirichlet.html Sancho_Everyman@hotmail.com www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| kheris (kheris) New member Username: kheris Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.142.200.66 |
There must de a shortage of college kids to man Chicago's local card table shrines. School is back in session, but the shrine I saw was parked outside a Walgreen's on Michigan Ave by the Water Tower. The two LaRouchies were Boomers and they had the picture of "Cheney's Guns of August" on the table. I guess they want to ride on Cindy Sheehan's coattails since LHL isn't getting the media exposure that she is. Still no sign of a Labor Day conference, at least at the usual sites, so they have to find something to do. The location is a tourist mecca. I don't expect them to get much action aside from bemused looks. Most tourists are too busy running from store to store, and looking beautiful at the same time, to pay much attention to strangers with signs. Just ask the homeless who hang down there, complete with paper cup and sign. It's a tough way to make a living. If you can't play an instrument you won't get the tourists' attention. Maybe Steve can talk the SOBs at Yale into coming to the Windy City to sing bel canto in front of the clubs on Rush St. The Yalies might do it too, seeing as there are 3 universities in town, and at least one is a 'party' school. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Yes, a marriage of convenience between the Peace Mom and the Peace Con ... excellent ... | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Manifoldly both and neither interesting nor and perplexing that Mr. Steven aka alias Mr. Reddon hath not nor hath chosen neither to recircumabulate among the desiccated flora faunaque of the deprogramees cum animo contra LaLushem with the semi nor half noble intent of slaying the badees with his refulgent wit, o'er brimming stores of wisdom and christian economics together with his wholly strategical sense of superiority over each puella who doth catch him out at his every attempt to organize or, as it were, to decompose his stentorian essays. Ah, lackaday. | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 18 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.215 |
Sancho, I just read the LaDouche article you posted and i couldnt stop laughing at their attempted explanations. But since you already established this, let me transcend into the following loophole from that article: "Now, of course, ideas don't exist out there in the ether, floating around in empty space. Ideas exist inside and through the process of deliberation and discussion by individual human beings, who make individual discoveries—unique in some cases; revolutionary discoveries; in some cases, the replication and re-discovery of previously made ideas—and the ability to communicate those ideas both among our contemporaries, and also to future generations." Notice that LaDouche emphasizes the 'replication' and 're-discovery' of 'previously made ideas'. This means making revelations or break-throughs is nothing short of spreading Larouche's predisposed notions. Hmmm, maybe this is why those larouchies are yet to make any discoveries of their own or at least broaden what larouche has taught them. No, instead they all speak, think, and act alike. The great irony is that their beloved Socratic Method of truth and discovery is construed through debate & dialogue. Well, if they all speak, think, and act the same –how are they going to make the same intellectual filtration Socrates did by surrounding diverse conceptions in his quest to truth? Certainly, the larouchies don’t expect to have any intellectual breakthroughs conversing with the masses on the streets, since they are of a degenerate bread of the Cultural Congress of Freedom. Socrates didnt talk to himself in the mirror nor did he talk to a wall to come closer to truth– but maybe this is the groundbreaking humanist clarification LaDouche made of Plato. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Yes, xylm, LaRouche's signal contribution to the Platonic tradition, solipsistic Socratic dialogue, alternates with his Hegelian Consciousness, Self-Consciousness, Self-Self-Consciousness, etc. which was followed by his hypothesis, higher hypothesis, higher higher hypothesis - at which point the nurse and attendants come in to apply the restraints. N.B. He has also established that Harvey in the eponymous Jimmy Stewart movie was a Platonist city-builder, which is why the Hollywood Jews wouldn't let him (i.e., Harvey) be seen, so as to make Ellwood P. Dowd appear a lunatic like LaLush for pointing out his existence. N.N.B. Mr. Dowd was a souse like "Mr. LaRouche." I don't know Dirichlet's work, but I am fairly well-versed in Leibniz, and all the crap the ignorant LaRouchites put in the latter's mouth is enough to make your head spin. Physical economy, indeed. Sancho_Everyman@hotmail.com www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| erin_b (erin_b) New member Username: erin_b Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 207.233.32.7 |
Steve, Toward the end of last semester you called me at home. You first presented yourself as an "ex-member", then tried to tell me "It's not a dangerous group". I'm really sick of members coming in here, trying to act like anonymity isn't necessary when one of your contacts died. This isn't about having different opinions than the rest of society. This is about what you'll do in order to get people to think the same way you do. Don't you think there's something wrong with yelling at people that they're about to lose their jobs? Yelling at people who are just trying to go to work? Why should they stop and talk to you? If anyone actually goes to one of your meetings, it gets worse than being yelled at. Hundreds of people who think you have to think the same way they do. Hundreds of people who have lost the ability to think line up to tell you why your life is worthless without them. Without LaRouche. People who defend him make me sick. How can you just pretend that everything negative that's printid about LaRouche is fabricated? Maybe they don't pick on you as much as they did me because you're a guy and you're from Yale. Did you ever think of that? If there's anything good in LaRouche's policies, it's lost in they way his supporters treat other people. They way LaRouche treates his own supporters while pretending to care about "humanity". Oh. And he's anti-Semitic. Maybe that's what you love about him so much. Don't call me again. Erin Belcher | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) New member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 24 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
The LaLushites are surprisingly cowardly. There once was a Tom who would try to brandish a torch for his hero, but as soon as it was mentioned that the LaRouche organization was raising funds by applying their collective computer expertise to spamming on the other side of the law, not a peep could be heard thereafter - except by the odd devotee who would wander in, have his brains bashed and conscience bruised, and wander dazedly out. Their silence (together with their crimes) is damning. www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| anon127 (anon127) Junior Member Username: anon127 Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 203.126.136.220 |
steve...ex-member ??? first college, and now ex-member. what's next....getting a job ??? | ||
| kheris (kheris) New member Username: kheris Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.143.54.252 |
steve...ex-member ??? first college, and now ex-member. what's next....getting a job ??? More likely Steve went to California for his summer vacation trying to recruit, unless he was manning a phone bank. Obviously Erin wasn't buying what he was selling. | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 19 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.215 |
I remember Harley preaching that an economic collapse would be good, good because it would ignite a new belief system and replace the current. The kids then ran with this and became giddy every time a larouche news brief foretold signs of economic depression. They have been expecting larouche to be right so bad that they even wish other’s destruction. There not willing to save anybody behind closed doors, Larouche would have deaths for recognition, and it’s rubbing off on the kids. Soon, they will ascend their patience like larouche, waiting for inevitable disasters to place their politics over. This is why the LYM can never make a real turn once Larouche dies, that, and because they haven’t learned anything but conspiracies. Poor kids… | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) New member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
I learned from a post here long ago that Mel Klenetsky, among others, had tried to develop contingency plans for the physical demise of Fearless Leader, and that Klenetsky was alledgedly booted out for even considering such things. If LaLush were concerned with truly changing the world, wouldn't he have built an institution to survive him, to propagate his world-changing ideas into the future? Plato's Academy lasted over eight centuries and assured the continuity of what Plato sought to do, even if later Academicians were Stoics, etc. It took a long time for Aristotle's work to get a broad hearing because his Lyceum - just as the NCLC shall - went into the toilet, together with his writings for the most part. Next weak STH (small-time Hitler) will be 83: suppose you are now 21 and squandering your youth standing all day next to a card-table shrine. STH will easily be dead within 20 years, at which point you will be 40+, a "boomer." As committed as you at present are to endure a squalid existence of abuse and economic deprivation for Lyn, which of these "boomers" now will you be willing to throw the second half of your life away for? For Helga? Steinberg? Nancy Spannaus? Harley? Phil? For whom? It won't be one of you: I don't know if you've caught on, but there's no promotion within the LC outside of the ranks of the boomers. They guard their little fiefdoms the way Sancho would his island - had he ever gotten one. It's your life, do something useful with it before you get that indelible _New Federalist_ newsprint odor worked into the world-famous NCLC BO. | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.215 |
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/pressreleases/2002/020314liesaboutlarouche.htm “You've seen and heard them. They say things like LaRouche is a leader of a cult, or that he is anti-semitic, or some other vile epithet. Invariably, those repeating these lies, when challenged, can never back up what they say.” “These very same Foundations which run the slander mill against LaRouche are behind what is, in fact, the most dangerous cult in the world today. A cult of utopian military lunatics, typified by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel Huntington, Henry Kissinger, or the current Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. These lunatics are the real masterminds behind the attacks of September 11. Watching their power crumble under the weight of the collapsing financial system, their aim is to drive the world into a racist global religious war, that Huntington calls a "Clash of Civilization". They are the ones who engineered the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, then concocted the Osama bin Laden hoax, sending the U.S. military off to fight the "Clash of Civilization", and diverting attention from their own culpability in an ongoing coup against the interests of the United States. This powerful and crazed utopian cult is the greatest real security threat to our nation.” Hey people, he is catching on to our ‘utopian military’ plot…how did he know we were behind Sept 11? (By the way, notice that the people he named are predominantly Jews) “That's who is spreading lies about LaRouche. You hear them repeated, often by people who don't know their source, but who would rather be overheard repeating these lies, because they think it will make them popular.” HAHAHAHA | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
*it WON'T make me popular???* sniff | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.214 |
Hey Sancho, I believe you mentioned that your well versed in Leibniz...can you share with us any of Larouche's contradictions or misuses of him. Thanks | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
First of all, notice that LaRouche and his principal puppets rarely say anything in particular that any one of their icons avers, because no one on the NC reads anything at all, let alone reflects on it. Do you know how children play house? In precisely the same manner do the LaRouche people "play ideas." It is true, of course, that Leibniz was a coinventor of the calculus, that he had a Grand Design involving Egypt, that he was an ecumenist, and that he was one of the greatest minds in human history. The reference above to Director's claim that Leibniz had an understanding of the "physical economy" apart from the concept commonly available in his day is ludicrous, but not as ludicrous as the idea that there is some genetic ideation from Plato through LaLush on the matter. In the unlikely event that something is published by the crazies with actual reference to something Leibniz putatively said, then I will respond as to whether or not it has support in surviving manuscripts. Of course that brands me in Bizarro World as an academic - the type of person they fear, because they just want complete liberty to say whatever fool thing pops into Lyn's head and call it genius. On the other hand, in all fairness, I must say that Phil Valenti always writes well, http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3132leibniz_pfv.html and while all he says in particular about Leibniz's work is as accurate as one gets in that organization, the spin he gives it is so perverse as to make Leibniz look like a LaRouchian. Leibniz, unlike LaRouche, made substantial contributions to human knowledge and was above all things a man of faith, i.e., he was not a "LaRouche christian." Leibniz like LaRouche, however, was often a toady and sycophant, and what Valenti represents as Leibniz's city-building politicking was just more a product of Leibniz's own venality and overweening ambition. No one, after all, is perfect. Except, of course, for Lyndy. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
The founder of FactNet outlines five steps to assist with the healing process once you have broken free of the LaRouche cult: http://www.factnet.org/How_I_healed.html The only difference between the LaRouche and Scientology cults is that Scientology is successful as a cult: so LaRouche in addition to being a failure as a son, as a husband (at least twice), as a father, as an economist, as a political figure, as a humanist intellectual (whatever that is), is also a relative failure as a cult leader. Some legacy. There is more material on the LaRouche cult at www.justiceforjeremiah.com Sancho_Everyman@hotmail.com | ||
| anon127 (anon127) Junior Member Username: anon127 Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 203.126.136.223 |
no conference announcement...i guess Little Hitler finally ran dry out of credit. not much news of beltran either...in the org, u learn that if u start grabbing headlines from Little Hitler, u won't be around much longer. which is why every sentence must end with some reference to "Lyn". ex-member Steven...hv u left us like u left the org? | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
hello, my anonymous friend. I am alive and well and having lots of fun, as I am sure my LYM friends are also. Do you get out much, Mr. Anonymous? If so, I hope you are having your share of the fun out there. Best wishes, Steven | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 26 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.40 |
The Song of the LaLushite It's FUN to be a crook With a foe in every nook; It's FUN to be a pompous ass And hob nob with Abbas; It's FUN to play at Walter Mitty And treat the old folks pretty shitty; It's FUN to spout at ivied Yale - And someday FUN to weep in jail! It's FUN! That's why in jail one has the hope To have one's soap upon a rope - It's FUN! | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.215 |
I’m really curious to learn and receive some feedback on everybody’s awakening towards the lunacy of this movement. I couldn’t imagine a full time member convincing himself or being convinced in one sitting since they are also programmed to repel everything and anything that appose them. I find it intriguing yet sad to deal with the psychology of one who has had their way of thinking revised and their vocabulary redefined. Additionally, its shameful penetrating a dialogue with a larouchie to the point where they fall into a meaningful but absurd corner of refutation –for instance claiming that the intranet is an anti-humanist device that compounds the humanitarian problem of today or neglecting Larouche’s quote that “Judaism is a by product of Christianity and hoax” is anything but anti-Semitic. Their inability to register the absurdity is shocking! Trying to imprint any realization is like drawing in the beach sand…it’ll imprint for a while but only until the tide comes in and washes it away again. I’m not trying to be so skeptical…maybe someone can correct me .. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
xylm, yours is a good and thoughtful question. In a nutshell: I became involved with and persisted in the LaRouche movement because (1) I believed the solution to human suffering lay in the work of Karl Marx, (2) I believed in the promotion of generalized scientific and technological progress, and (3) I believed in the promotion of a renaissance founded on classical principles in all areas of thought. I also (4) came from a dysfunctional family background and (5) found a surrogate family in the NCLC. I never bought into most of the conspiracy stuff, but went along with it because of the commitments (1)-(3). But from almost the start I had a high resistance to the cult-coercion tactics to which I was subjected, and just left eventually because I couldn't tolerate any longer the brutally animal "human" relations that obtained in that organization. This was all the more painful as I still believed in the "ideas" of Lyn, and in Lyn himself: I felt, "if only Lyn knew" what was going on - but of course I "knew" that the lower downs would just brand me as an agent of some sort, whatever the enemy du jour was, so I left and was libeled afterwards as all sorts of (contradictory) things, things that made no sense to anyone of even moderate intelligence. Then, as I learned more, I increasingly realized how full of s--- was Lyn both as a man and as a thinker. What finally tied it was when I began to learn a great deal of standard capitalist economics which - however flawed I agree it is axiomatically - makes a great deal of common sense, in that one can follow the flow of ideas, whereas everything in LaRouche is mere assertion. As to the antisemitism: I never saw it at the time because (1) most of the people I knew in the organization were Jewish and (2) I knew about bigotry generally and just figured, some don't like Jews, others don't like Germans, or blacks, or Aleutian Islanders - but I knew nothing at the time of antisemitism per se apart from what everyone is supposed to know occured in Germany, 1933-1945 and earlier. The one and only time I confronted the real thing was in some of the Ohio locals, and in the person of Mike Billington's brother (whose first name I've forgotten): they were all blatantly crude, classical antisemites. I used to stare at them and say, you don't mean this, do you? I thought it was all a big joke. But they seemed serious. My impression at the time was that they wanted to impose this kind of overt racism on the organization as a whole, that their locals were going to do it, or some such. I never otherwise encountered anything like that except for the infamous Volkswagen joke, which likewise puzzled me. But again, everyone told ethnic jokes, even if I regarded that one as in poor taste. Now however that I am more familiar with antisemitic literature thanks to Dennis King and others, I can easily see the patterns, how LaRouche is/was playing in code to the Willis-Carto-types - and worse. So getting out was a process. When I was a true believer, I half believed the attacks on the organization - except for the antisemitic stuff which I really believed a Big Lie against the organization - but I was so brainwashed into believing that Lyn was humanity's only hope for survival that out of a misguided love for said humanity I persisted. I guess what one has to understand is that if a group of people (1) perceive dire dangers to humanity (2) whom they "love" and wish to "save" and (3) they believe that X is the "only" (final?) solution then (4) ANYTHING done in the name of X is justifiable, including murder, lies, and harassment. Now I can only pray for my sometime abusers, and for their victims, including Jeremiah. www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
By the way, I would really like information on the LaRouche spam, pornography, and other illegal computer activities. How much money would you estimate they rake in annually by providing these services? Also, aren't they bankrolled by several old German families? I think financial investigations into their shenanigans would be much more disruptive to them than all of this talk about their "ideas." They have almost always earned their money at the expense of victims: lets find out who the new victims are. A project for the anti-LaRouche hackers who read this board ... bring them down! | ||
| anon127 (anon127) Junior Member Username: anon127 Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 203.126.136.223 |
"hello, my anonymous friend. I am alive and well and having lots of fun, as I am sure my LYM friends are also. Do you get out much, Mr. Anonymous? If so, I hope you are having your share of the fun out there." yes, i do get out every now and then...but not with a table by the sidewalk. and yes..it is fun...especially when the outing has nothing to do with making this week's financial quota. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Yes, it's fun to lie, cheat, and steal. Yes, it's fun to make a public ass out of yourself by being a grown man and standing on a public street overtime at a card table with amateurish end-of-the-world-style sandwich boards one otherwise only sees in a _New Yorker_ cartoon. Yes, it's fun to believe you have the key to all of science and human history without having to exert yourself as most scientists or historians do to establish even the smallest truths about reality. Yes, it's fun to believe oneself to be more than a man - especially when one is not even half a man. Yes, have fun, the NCs say. But you know in your cowering heart that there's no fun at all about any of it. But keep lying to yourself, kiddo. And have fun. It's only your face you have to look at in the mirror each and every morning. Sancho_Everyman@hotmail.com | ||
| listbrowser (listbrowser) New member Username: listbrowser Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 12.40.160.130 |
I read here of Mike Gelber's passing a few years ago. I knew Mike, we got lost in Canada in the early AM driving from Detroit to Buffalo in the early 80's. We made it back OK, I was behind the wheel since Mike was a self confessed awful driver. His driving skills apparently never improved. He described me as a 'tarnished Silver Soul' because of my refusal to commit body and soul to the LC, even after hearing the Truth from Great One his own self. Maybe so, but I don't need to define BS, I just need to smell it for what it is. RIP Gelber. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
A show just aired on the Science Fiction network entitled "The Belzer Connection: the Diana Conspiracy" hosted by Richard Belzer with guests Ice_T, Liddy, Musto, et al. Well, who do you think Belz had present the case for the conspiracy side? Steinberg, of EIR. No mention of LaRouche. Another instance of the fact that even his own representatives don't want to drag the old man's name into conversation so as not to embarass themselves. I guess Steinberg will never lose his rigor mortis, although that might make him a candidate to appear on _Law & Order: Special Victims Unit_ with Belzer and Ice-T. | ||
| kheris (kheris) New member Username: kheris Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.143.54.3 |
Went cruising to see if The Great One had any words of wisdom on Katrina. But of course! So here is the word from On High. It includes the prediction of economic collapse about to fall upon the world. Naturally it's all Bush's fault for not foreseeing at the beginning of August that Katrina was going to make mush of the Gulf Coast and taking aggressive measures to prepare. Not even the Weather Channel, the HQ for meteorological prognostication, had that much foresight. One can question, as Molly Ivins did, the confluence of government policies over time that made such a catastrophe possible. She made a hell of a lot more sense than LHL's ramblings. The forecast of economic catastrophe is overblown to some degree. Without a doubt we are going to pay an economic price for this, but I seriously doubt we are going to fall totally on our face, let alone the rest of the globe. I guess LHL needs this diversion since Iran is still standing. I am waiting for him to pronounce that this was God's judgement. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
And he will contribute not ONE CENT toward the relief efforts, as that cent must be allocated to combating the oligarchical Dark Side, blah, blah, and blah. Of course the rank-and-file LYMers have been experiencing post-tsunami conditions for several years now, so perhaps they can empathize with the looters and the homeless. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
If one were to view Larouche's writings from the late 1970's you would find another of his crazed conspiracy epochs on FEMA. When the Three Mile Island Plant experienced a failure, FEMA was the agency which was created to direct efforts to assist local disaster areas and help in evacuation planning. In our crazed world, FEMA was part of a Rockefeller plot to seize control of the US population via a coup of the government. We printed massive exposes of how FEMA was an Oligarchical agency and how Three Mile Island was a "HOAX" designed to dumb down the US Popualtion and discourage Nuclear Power. Only us youthfull forces in the USLP and NCLC would be able to organise the population against this British Dark Ages plot which was a hundred times worse than Hitler. We sent members to FEMA meetings to take pictures, denounce everyone there and declare that ONLY through a Larouche led mass movement would the world survive "The worst economic collapse of the 20th Century". We had mass pamphlets of how the banks would be taken over by Rochefellers Chase Manhattan Bank and we would all be slaves working in shale oil fields in the Alberta Tar Pits while under Methadone. FEMA was the way how the Trilateral Commission would take over through the brainwashed President Jimmmy Carter. I myself attended FEMA meetings and surreptitiously photographed FEMA documents which would prove the plot. The documents were actually about how power would be restored during an outage. But, since it wasn't Nuclear power which would be used, then the plot was real. Steve, every thing you are doing, we all did over three decades. Every line you hear, every speech and conference you attend, is the same thing we went through. We were all you age which is why we bother with this stuff. In fact Steve, the photo EIR runs for the Guns of August with Cheney's head in the middle of a mushroom cloud is a carbon copy of our 1976 USLP presidential campaign poster with the head of Jimmy Carter in the middle of a mushroom cloud. Bill Ferguson has reservations for you and another LYM at a card table shrine waiting for you. Ask him how he gave up a Princeton math scholarship 25 years ago to join Larouche. When you meet him, ask him if he thinks there is a market for a bumper sticker that reads: "MORE PEOPLE HAVE DIED DURING A LAROUCHE MEETING THAN IN NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS" Steve, do you feel solidarity with Nazi rocket scientists who complain that Hilter did not give them enough resources to "finish the job"? Care to swear by Larouche's Holocaust figures? Have you joined Skull and Bones at Yale yet? Do you know that Lyn thinks that only degenerate gays attend Yale? Google "larouche and Yale" and see the results. Steve, do you think that the Three Mile Island meltdown was a deliberate plot of the US through FEMA to destroy nuclear power in the US and unleash a dark ages? This should be easy for you as you can ask some of the deadenders for their copies of "Fusion" magazine and NS from that era. Since Lyn is a genius, they should be prominently presented to you. Ask Bill about the "Mars Society" and see what he says. What do you think? Some people have briefly covered what happens when you leave the bizarro world and actually studt things. In the LC, one would get the notion, repeated endlessly by Lyn and sycophants that there was not a single Britich scientist who existed. After I left and detoxed myself I took some basic classes on electricity and science and lo and behold, many discoveries were actually made by British and Scottish scientists. THe trick is that by using a few names and phrases, one can make a LYM believe that only through Lyn can the truth be revealed. This lunacy is based on the mistaken notion that there is something to hide. Just read the history and study the timelines and it is not as mysterious as it seems. Card table shrine at eight. Steve, don't be late. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
I wonder how many casualties occurred, how many suicides, how many unfulfilled promises, aborted children and dreams, bankruptcies, substance abuse and other behavioral disorders, broken families, shattered marriages, apostate religionists, how many people soured on any form of politics or volunteer work - how much grief - how much sorrow - how many tears - have been wrought in the wake of hurricane Lyndy blowing through the lives of well-meaning people? Who can count the toll? | ||
| borisbad (borisbad) New member Username: borisbad Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 138.89.184.68 |
The hallmark of every cult leader is that he has all the answers, and if you just listen to him long enough and offer complete obedience without question, then you may share in the Secrets of the Inner Elite like Lyn pretends to do. One point, it wasn't John Asher who got to mumbling on street corners it was his brother Tom Asher whom I used to know as a pretty decent fellow in the early days of the "Movement" before he was shot outside Lincoln DeTox, which we had some type of campaign against because it promoted Rockefeller's killer drug Methadone, which was invented by the Nazis. Of course LHL can't give to any relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina because the Red Cross was founded by the infamous Knights of St. John of Jerusalem and the Knights of Malta who were engaged in a centuries long battle with the neo-platonic Knights Templar. To get an idea of the lunatic theories that LaRouche uses to decipher history just read the DaVinci Code for simlar stuff. I'm glad Steve is having so much fun. I'm wondering if the dead enders from the 70s, 80s and 90s are having such a glorious time. And lastly having read the infamous account about how LaRouche was "tortured" in prison when he had a colonoscopy, who wants to guess how many over 50 year old members even have enough money to get a colonoscopy done? What's the current LaRouche health insurance plan? | ||
| borisbad (borisbad) New member Username: borisbad Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 138.89.184.68 |
Was also wondering, and I didn't hear Steve respond to it, or does he just pretend that the anti-Semitic jokes never happened, does he believe that Israel is the source of all the problems in the Mid-East and that they along with Britain are the main destabilizing force in that part of the world, or in fact all parts of the world? I also recall not just the awful anti-semitic jokes that were told, especially those by Jewish members like Paul Goldestein, but I remember how AIDS was used to attack homosexuality in the most vicious and evil ways. How many jokes did we tell about Rock Hudson and Liberace when they were dying from the disease. This is the compassionate humanism that Steve etc support. I'm sure that it fits in nicely with LHL's apocalyptic visions where he and his fellow travellers like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson could go around saying that homosexuals were getting what they deserved, etc. Anyone remember the watermelon jokes we used to put on signs about AIDs when we wanted to make fund of Rock Hudson who's publicists were saying he was sick and losing weight because of the watermelon diet? Of course, I admit that I went along with it, and thought it was being so polemically fashionable. You have to swallow a lot of sh*t when you front for LHL | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
The latter I missed out on, but only goes to demonstrate LaRouche's latent homosexuality (not that there's anything wrong with it), as does his bizarre dismissal of all of classical ballet as "crotch play." Weird. Another illustration of the maxim that when you point a finger at someone, you have three pointed back against yourself. His characterization of Henry Kissinger as gay is further proof of Lyn's own less-than-subterranean impulses. Also, now come to think of it, all that stuff about "mother" in _Beyond Psychoanalysis_. Too weird. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 30 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
The hallmark of "The Hostile Fantasy World of Larouche" is to have an endless stream of enemies ready to inflict harm on Larouche first, the world later. If one were to review the writings of the LC as Steve should do, one will see a pattern of lunacy that has encompassed several decades. The Homosexual hatred which Lyn has is something Steve will now be carrying the torch for as he spreads the Larouche Gospel across the Yale common Square. When I first came in the group, the word Gay was not used, but faggot was thrown around like a debris during Hurricane Katrina. Lyn would constantly scream at the members during the infamous and phony "Chris White" brainwashing that homosexual rape was used to break him. Lyn also has a fscination with eating manure in his writings as well. Go figure. During a conference in NYC in 1974 we had a member name Bill ******** end up in the Belvue mental facility. Bill was supposedly brainwashed and was attached to the genatalia of a stuffed pig by his CIA/KGB handlers. The writings in the beyond psych series expound the fear of anal sex in brainwashing young LYM members back then. Lesbianism was the main reason why the female members could not do more for Larouche in saving the world from the Rockefellers. Our writings in our paper repeatedly called police and FBI agents as faggots and the worst kind of anal sex abusers. We would print that one of the ways to become an FBI agent was to engage in anal sex. We used to print many jokes about the FBI as being dirty filthy fags in our publications. There was the standard Larouche Joke of "How do you sit 4 FBI agents at a bar?" "You turn the stool over". We had a cartoon character called "Agent FuzzDick" appearing in our paper weekly. During "Mop Up" we fired up our goon squads by showing how the CP and SWP were now a bunch of fags who supported Fag Rights. Mind you that Lyn himself lived on Morton Street in the heart of a Gay GreenWich Village for many years. Lyn also was a real man as he never worked and his wives make the money for the house. During the NYC elections we printed posters of Ed Koch dressed as a flaming Gay character performing oral sex on the Empire State building. We attacked a NYC West Side council person as a lesbian. Later. A person named Lix Holtzman I think became one of more dearest enemies as she was involved in persuing Nazi war criminals in the US whom we were defending at every turn. The Lesbian line was uses again. In local cities where we had offices, we would do durty tricks like calling the neighbors of our opponets as drug dealers, faggots and child molestors. We were sued a few times for this and settled out of court quietly. Just look at how the cult created a group hate against Dennis King once he started to print articles about the cult's inner workings. Kissinger became another target of our rabid anti gay hysteria as Lyn wrote a NS centerfold called "The politics of Faggotry". We spread endless leafletts and rumours about Kissinger as a molestor of young boys around the world. We also printed stuff up that Kissinger killed a young mexican boy in a resort with a wine bottle to the head when he resisted Kissinger's advances. There is a famous incident where one of our airport table crews was fighting with Kissinger's wife. In retrospect, I can only come to the conclusion that we were using this effectively in our Mexican and Suuth Americian organising to play up the machismo anti home hatred of these places. In NYC, our campaign against Roy Cohn took on monstrous proportions as we had endless fag attacks on him and anyone associated with him. It later turned out that in security, we had contacts in the Gay world who hated Cohn more than us and would supply us with stories from his private life. In the typical Larouche twist of events, we later worked with Cohn behind the scenes to attack some other NY politicos. Lyn would constantly pepper his talks with his diatribes against "faggots and sodomizers" to whip us up. During one of our campaigns we published a pamphlet called "The Aquarian Conspiracy". Now we were calling Right to Life groups and religious people to support Lyn. Part of our polemic was that Homosexuality was Satanic in nature and part of the evil oligarchy's plan to bring on the Dark Ages. We linked Homosexuals to Babylonian cults, Aristotle, Jesuits, Tavistock, every British scientist and every evil in the world. What is intersting in retrospect was how we always denied any Homo sexual eroticisms of the Greeks, especially Plato. It was a surreal night in our offices when one of our NC's would give a class on Plato, read direct writngs about gay things and either pretend it was not homo or just say that it was a "metaphor" for somethng else. In the end, the best plan was to blame the fag stuff on Aristotle and his Satanic offspring. Aids became a great fundraiser for us and further escalated Lyn's hatred of Homosexuals. Writing after writing, meeting after meeting was about how the fags were going to detroy civilization as we know it. Gay sex was now directed by the oligarchy to wipe out 3/4ths of the world so that the Elites could rule. Now imagine if your were a Gay member during this. Go up several posts and you will read about our Gay adventures in New Orleans. We had a few Gay members who became asexual in public. They quietly dropped out. This was nothing to bring up at a confernce when your sexuality is now part of an evil plot akin to nuclear war. Lyn ran with AIDS as best he could, which is to make money off it and scare the hell out of people. We created sopmething in California called "Panic" which was our attempt to pass a ballot initiative called Proposition 69 in the 80's. Do a google search of that and see what we did. Our approach had nothing to do with real health care and was based on locking up people we attacked. Lyn would give more anti gay speeches and now took credit for predicting AIDS! We published some lunacy in the 1970's about how the Rockefellers would create conditions of disease which would kill 3/4ths of the world. The Club of Rome, the environmentalists and anyone promoting a solar panel was now a mass murderer. Religous cults use the same math in their fundraising as well. Of course in real life, highly contagious lethal diseases do not act this way as they kill the carriers before it spreads. We were not health professionals, but we pretended to be. OSHA guidelines written by real health professionals arae credited wioth reducing Hepatitis and other blood borne diseases. Lyn would scare the bejesus out of his members and supprters about mosquitos being flying syringes and how we would all die a puss and pock marked death for the oligarchy. These plans were based on Ebola or other diseases increasing at a rapid rate. We used a basic exponential growth model which through basic doubling would kill everyone on the planet. Lyn now took this stuff and declared that he alone predicted AIDS as the super disease which was going to kill us all. During this we also were attacking Mondale and Kennedy as KGB agents. So to help the Dmeocratic party,we now attacked them as part of a Russian plot which engineered the AIDS virus to destroy the West for the Russian Orthodox Church under our "Third Rome Thesis". I assure you that I am not making this stuff up as I am not that creative in fiction writing. I kept a lot of our writings for a while and would occasionally look at it to see how crazy we were back then. We picked up Medical people along the way to work with us. In typical fasion, we burnt most of them out but got a few "marks" for Larouche. Since these people were MD's and such, they of course lent us money and we emptied them. Fot those of you who like doing research of this, google this name, "John Grauerholz". He was a Medical examiner in Long Island when the TV show "Quincy" was popular. He became Lyn's medical side kick for a while and lived the good life. But, as usually happens with friends of Larouche, you fall pretty deep. Do the google search and look for his name in Virginia, NY and NJ. There was some sort of problem we had in Leesburg invovling our MD's which NO ONE wants to talk about. Enough of that, I will let the investigators here do their work. We not only did some card table shrines about Rock Hudson, but did another trick very few people know about. For several months during our AIDS campaign, Lyn would speak cryptically about how another Hollywood ladies man was nothing more than a diry filthy faggot who picked up AIDS during his numerous adventures with young boys. Some of us heard the name Burt Reynolds during this. Since most members never were in the real world, the name did not click. Find a copy of a Burt Reynolds auto Biography and you will read a fascinating section about his medical problems. The section I am refering to was either in his bio or in a full page in one of the national celebrity magazines a few years back.Burt lost a lot of weight and was dignosesd finally with TMJ, a serious jaw disorder. Since he could not chew food with out extreme pain, he was eating less and losing weight. We were spreading his name around our card table shrines as the latest Hollywood faggot to bite the dust. In Reynold's book, there is a section where he refers to a political cult which used him for their purposes by spreading rumours. He writes that he does not wish to give the cult any publicity and tells about the dirty tricks they did. One trick which I would hear rumours of but could never pin down was this. A look alike of Reynolds was hired and was paid to got to numerous Hospitlas in podunk towns and check himself in as Burt Reynolds and declare that he has AIDS! This went on for months. The bottom line for you Steve is that you are now in "The Hostile Fantasy World of Larouche". Even if you never join full time and graduate form Yale, you have served humanity by allowing us to write about this stuff for students and intersted parties. I am wondering if you are acting as a double agent against Larouche as we can't get LYM people to stick around here for a while. Will you be confronting the Gay student chapters at Yale about how they are Aristotelian Satanists who are part of a British plot to wipe out 3/4ths of the world's population? Are you ready to make phone calls to lyn's enemies co workers and friends that he or she is a "dirty filthy sodomizing fag" like we did ? You still have not commented on the Mars Society and how the LYM views it. xlcr4life@hotmail.com (Message edited by Xlcr4life on September 04, 2005) | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Maybe Lyn will come out on his birthday. Mistress Helga is an evident man-hating dominatrix. Sordider and sordider. Yuk. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
From a LaRouche speech, 1974: "How do you brainwash somebody? Well, first of all, you generally pull a psychological profile or develop one in a preliminary period. You find every vulnerability of that person from a psychoanalytic standpoint. Now the next thing you do is you build them up for fear in males and females of homosexuality, aim them for an anal identification with anal sex, their mouth is identified with fellatio. Their mouth is identified only with the penis -- that kind of sex, and with woman. Womanhood is the fellatio of the male mouth in a man who has been brainwashed by the KGB; that is sucking penises. . . ." "First they say your father was nothing, your father was a queer, your father was a woman. They play very strongly on homosexual fears. It doesn't work on women... Most women are to a large degree homosexual in this society. The relationship between daughter and mother is homosexual, so the thing is not much of a threat." "But to young men it is generally a grave threat... fears about masturbation... They say, 'See that sheep. Wouldn't you like to do that to a sheep?'" "It's not the pain that brainwashes, it's forcing the victim to run away from the pain by taking the bait of degrading himself. This persistant pattern of self-degradation, self-humiliation, is what essentially accomplishes the brainwashing." "Any of you who say this is a hoax -- you're cruds! You're subhuman! You're not serious. The human race is at stake. Either we win or there is no humanity. That's the way she's cut." * LaRouche, I would aver, is an avowed Satanist. Not only based on the above specimen, but on the fact that he is almost childishly transparent in his attacks. He accuses Jews of being Nazis (as he is), he accuses anticult people as cultists (as he is), and now he accuses people of being Satanists. You be the judge. | ||
| outlast (outlast) New member Username: outlast Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.198.130.118 |
Worried about grammar rules....you sick bunch of twisted idiots.....with nothing better to do than post on this site....pretending to be the poor victims....of what....your own guilt....your own deviant invasions of privacy....perpetrator....creeps like you and your sick twisted jokes and fun of getting back at people don't deserve the time of day......let alone the lung capacity of a hearing....hot air...hot air bullshit....sick twisted bitches and sick twisted fuckfaces...with nothing to do but sit there blame other people for one or two people's problems......you are terrorists....is that the right spelling, right grammar....oops a piece of hair just feel in my food, freshly cut hair too....I wonder which little creepy stalker put it there. You might not be implicated in such despicable acts of terrorism....if you didn't participate directly in them....next time try having a mind of your own, a conscience, a life outside of stalking people....and tormenting people....and apparently you get paid a salary to do this....how pathetic!!!!!! Get a real life!!! Stop bothering people who will not even so much as bother to look at your ugly faces, and your ass-poo whatever you posted earlier that is the most digusting.....Little big man mocker....fitting name for a perp! Anti-Christ....another fitting name for a stalker. Gangstalker gives you a sense of belonging...almost glamorous...no...can't award you that luxury you sick bunch of pricks!! Do you know the difference between right and wrong?....if you did you would not post here. Keep your distance while I try to pretend that none of you ever existed and erase your faces and your ignorant comments from my memory. Just remember ass wipes.....my comments were general, yours were targeted, for a purpose, and extended outside of work in a vicious circle of harassment, continuous, you sick fucking pieces shit...YOU YOU and YOU are terrorists, only a terrorist sits there and thinks they can violate someone to their face all day long and expect someone to sit there with a smile ear to ear!!! Sick perps....I feel like I should be letting you take my place here...I feel so sorry for the likes of all of you who had so much fun. And yes....I am retarded according to Miss Muffet and 2+2 actually does equal 5. You're my fucking heros.....what was it a 11000 to one. Winners!!!! Sick pricks....don't post here ever again. | ||
| outlast (outlast) New member Username: outlast Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.198.130.118 |
Worried about grammar rules....you sick bunch of twisted idiots.....with nothing better to do than post on this site....pretending to be the poor victims....of what....your own guilt....your own deviant invasions of privacy....perpetrator....creeps like you and your sick twisted jokes and fun of getting back at people don't deserve the time of day......let alone the lung capacity of a hearing....hot air...hot air bullshit....sick twisted bitches and sick twisted fuckfaces...with nothing to do but sit there blame other people for one or two people's problems......you are terrorists....is that the right spelling, right grammar....oops a piece of hair just feel in my food, freshly cut hair too....I wonder which little creepy stalker put it there. You might not be implicated in such despicable acts of terrorism....if you didn't participate directly in them....next time try having a mind of your own, a conscience, a life outside of stalking people....and tormenting people....and apparently you get paid a salary to do this....how pathetic!!!!!! Get a real life!!! Stop bothering people who will not even so much as bother to look at your ugly faces, and your ass-poo whatever you posted earlier that is the most digusting.....Little big man mocker....fitting name for a perp! Anti-Christ....another fitting name for a stalker. Gangstalker gives you a sense of belonging...almost glamorous...no...can't award you that luxury you sick bunch of pricks!! Do you know the difference between right and wrong?....if you did you would not post here. Keep your distance while I try to pretend that none of you ever existed and erase your faces and your ignorant comments from my memory. Just remember ass wipes.....my comments were general, yours were targeted, for a purpose, and extended outside of work in a vicious circle of harassment, continuous, you sick fucking pieces shit...YOU YOU and YOU are terrorists, only a terrorist sits there and thinks they can violate someone to their face all day long and expect someone to sit there with a smile ear to ear!!! Sick perps....I feel like I should be letting you take my place here...I feel so sorry for the likes of all of you who had so much fun. And yes....I am retarded according to Miss Muffet and 2+2 actually does equal 5. You're my fucking heros.....what was it a 11000 to one. Winners!!!! Sick pricks....don't post here ever again. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
I don't think "outlast" is connected to LaRouche. He has posted elsewhere on FactNet and is a person deeply disturbed. He's in need of help, not abuse, and probably posted to this board in error. Best of luck to him and his family. | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
Mr. Curtis, I don't know how the LYM views the Mars Society. You would probably do better to ask individuals in the LYM, for example Sky or Cody or Nick or any number of studied youth. They would probably have some insight to offer. I have never had a discussion about the Mars Society, nor have I ever been refered to it. In fact, I am unsure of what you would like to discuss about it. Please, since you sound familiar with its activities, would you like to open a discussion with a more directed comment and question and perhaps reference a particular article? Steven | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
P.S. I read the purpose and mission statements and am now among over 19,000 signators for the petition calling for the promotion of Mars exploration and settlement. And I refered them to you, Mr. Curtis; I hope you don't mind. I was not sure if you had signed the petition yet as well. Steve | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
"I have never had a discussion about the Mars Society, nor have I ever been refered to it. In fact, I am unsure of what you would like to discuss about it. Please, since you sound familiar with its activities, would you like to open a discussion with a more directed comment and question and perhaps reference a particular article? " Steven Steven, you have given me an opportunity to show the difference between a sycophantic cult led by a meglomaniac and a group started by an individaul who REALLY wanted to change policies. There is a big diffenence between groups which work towards goals rather than cults of personality. There is a reason why you will not find LYM talking aboput the Mars Society. M.S. has ben around for several years and is considered one of the leading organisations which promote manned exploration of Mars and the universe. The group has had an endless stream of positve coverage in journals and press which are part of the evil oligarchy which is suppressing science. Poular Science/Mechanics,Discover, Scientific American, Time, US News, The NY Times, MPH and many many weekly and monthlies have featured the Mars Society. They have a long term relationship with many public officials and people in the Space Business. You can see coverage of their conferences and spokespeople on C-SPAN, CNN and other outlets. You can also see throught their web site how many chapters and people who are both civilians and very sophisticated researchers have been drawn to the group. There is also much respect in DC from law makers who actually plan budgets and determine where NASA goes. Now what does this have to do with why many of us are concerned when an Elmer Gantry like Larouche attracts people like yourself in your prime years? Because you will later find that several of your prime years have been feeding a meglomaniac rather than getting real things done. The founder of the Mars Society is a chap named Robert Zubrin. Mr. Zubrin is someone quite a few people who left the org knew from many years ago. Mr. Zubrin joined the LC when he was a college student in the 1970's and spent a few years in different cities. He eventually ended up depressed in NYC from some people who knew him. Depressed because the group was no longer what he thought it should be or was. This is quite similar to what many members have thought after seeing the transformation of the LC into a personal cult of Larouche. Zubrin was sent to the national office in NYC and worked in the FEF sector for a while, down the hall from me. If you go to the 21st Century web site you can see his name listed as an author of some articles. Some of these articles are nothing to be proud of as he has one in the Campaigner I remember attacking Science Fiction as a British operation to stop people from learning into science. I can never forget the end of his article. "America needs science and fiction, but not science fiction". However, this story has a happy ending. Zubrin left quietly according to people who knew him because of certain "irregularities" he was witnessing. Faced with being older, pennyless and a college drop out, he took off from NYC and went as far away as he could to get away from the lunacy of our cult. He ended up in a North Western state where he enrolled in school and received a degree in either math or physics. He continued and eventually became a PHD in rocket science. If you remember him, he always had a 5 o'clock shadow and was barely over 5 feet tall. His pictures today are very similar to how he looked 25 years ago. The guy had a rough time in the LC as he always seemed to have legal problems and has the distinction of being one of the first people that yippie Arron Kaye threw a pie at. I found his name one night on some yippie nostalgia site about how Kaye threw a blue berry pie into Zubrin's face. So even after all of this lunacy, Zubrin was able to become a PHD and recieved patents for rocket engines and astronomy awards. His books are best sellers and unlike Larouche books, he does not have a vanuty press and young kids giving his book away at card table shrines. His book on the case for going to Mars is considered a masterpiece in how to get to and colonise Mars. The approach is quite different from what the cult and shows how Larouche works. In Larouche speak, you pick a problem, any problem and say that you need a crash program for millions, billions or trillions (depends on which decade he writes) to solve the problem. You always pay for this with low interest two teired credit from a gold standard based bank. Larouche will never answer questions about details like budgets, taxes or such as he will demean you by calling you a Philistine (I thought that was Leni's husband) or trivializing his great breakthrough. This is typical of Larouche as you can take anything he talks about and use the same formula. Larouche economics works in his mind because he has never had to pay a bill or spend his own money in his life. The LYM get dazzled real simple by Lyn as he is an experienced Carny Barker and not a yute. One day on the LYM web site they had a dialogue with Lyn and the LA office where some one asked Lyn how they could pay for a larger office with the associated expenses. Lyn's responce was "How can you afford not to?" The naive yute thought that he witnessed the genius of the Larouche/Rieman economic model. Now back to Zubrin. Dr. Zubrin as he really does have a PHD, started the Mars Society to generate public support for the space program and continuing the adventures of man. His approach to Mars is not a quatrillion dollar approcah , but one based on sipmple facts of life. Expeditions which brought everything with them required huge expenses and manpower to sustain. The bulk of this type of plan requires bringing every thing including the kitchen sink with you. Not efficient, expensive and time consuming. Zubrin's apporaoch was more like Lewis and Clark with a few people, few supplies and the ability to "live off of the land". One of Zubrin's genuine discoveries, unlike Larouchian self grandeur, is inventing a procees whereby a visiting explorer can make fuel and air for the team to survive and return to earth using MArtian soil. The book is really quite good and has inspired many people to assist the Mars Society. They even have a simulated Martian base in a barren area where they work on this. Zubrin also has other books under his belt including a well reviewed novel. Steve, as long as you and others stay in school, we can look at all of this as a farce rather than tragedy. The tragedy is when you leave Yale and blow sevral years of a prime, energy filled youth to allow this delusional man to continue this sick joke. Not everyone ends up like Zubrin. I know of quite a few succesfull ex members who got their life together and have moved on. Zubrin has a marriage with kids and travels around the globe persuing his dreams. I also know of many who have put guns to their heads, became substance abusers, developed depression and were so financilly devastated that they never recovered. Regardless of what you think of us, Steve, you have provided many people who do research on Larouche a basis for making decisions. The printouts of this site are read by many people in the org. It took a while for me to figure out why cults exist and how a huckster can use it. You see, unlike most institutions, ex memebrs of cults are often very embarrassed to come forward. This is quite painfull for people to admit that they were taken for a ride. The cult can count on very few people filing complaints or ever having a desire to relive their nightmares. When you think of how I and others know of hundreds and hundreds of ex members who suffered, it is quite brave for the people who post here to do so. The Jeremiah Duggan case changed a lot of that. Many of us were in your shoes Steve, but we were not dying by the side of the road. justiceforjeremiah.com Keep going to class and posting here Steve, you are doing a lot for people. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| erin_b (erin_b) New member Username: erin_b Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 4.231.172.230 |
People like Steve like to think that all anyone outside the cult cares about is being popular. Not only that, spreading lies about LaRouche will make them popular? We actually do know our source, you just have the audacity to say the ADL is lying. Now, back to spreading "lies" about LaRouche making someone popular. I assure you, nothing will bring down a party faster than talking about LaRouche. I assure you I do not post these messages so I can be popular. Oh yeah, I'm an ex-member of the LaRouche cult, and they kicked me out because they couldn't brainwash me completely, but that's not the story you'll hear from them. What on earth gives you the impression I'd tell people about this in order to impress anyone? I wish I could forget about it and never talk about it or think about it again. I'm sorry but that is the most idiotic thing I think anyone could ever think. "They think it will make them popular." Get a clue about the outside world before you try talking to people! Erin Belcher | ||
| erin_b (erin_b) New member Username: erin_b Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 4.231.172.230 |
I discovered LaRouche's hatred of gays by accident. I was a contact of the organization, not really in it for a few months. Montez kept asking me to get friends to come to a meeting. One of my best friends was gay. She asked me to ask them what LaRouche thinks of gay people. She probably had some idea, not being under their influence, had simply looked up LaRouche on google. When I asked members, they first told me it was a "single issue" and refused to even answer me. I got a lecture about how lobbyists were causing gridlock at congress with all these single issues, there were all these unnecessary laws being put on the books, etc. Then the next thing I heard about this issue was LaRouche "doesn't agree with gay people" but he understands that they should have rights. If he wasn't such a hatemonger I'd accept someone just "not agreeing with" homosexuality, or not understanding it. It was also that they'd had this discussion; why are people gay? One of the members had known this guy who was gay and he'd turned straight. If they thought my friend was going to turn straight, they were going to be disappointed, I was pretty sure. I wasn't going to ask her again to come to a meeting so they could experiment with her. It all just sounded really disrespectful the way they'd talked about it. To them, if someone is gay, it's another thing about the person that's up to them to change. | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
Very good. I also think this discussion is good for people to read, but perhaps for a slightly different reason. I do consider Mr. laRouche to be one of my best professors and a great statesman. And yet, at the same time, I have a great appreciation for many people who study the universe, whether they study social principles like historians, or if they study physical principles like rocket scientists. Mr. Zubrin sounds like a well-meaning/doing person, at the topical level (because I have yet to read substantially on the subject). And so, as I have mentioned before, one can have great appreciation for Mr. LaRouche's work, as well as others. And in fact, if one had truly non-cultish appreciation of Mr. LaRouche, one would have much appreciation for many people: doctors, academics, the Pope and priests, gays (not because they are gay, but because they express human qualities, like I do not appreciate straight people because they are straight, but because they are human and to the extent that they express more humane emotion) and endless numbers of groups of people. So I extend my grattitude as well, in you giving me the opportunity to shed some reality regarding those who support Lyndon LaRouche's efforts, in and out of the formal organization. Respectfully, Steve | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
Steve, as long as you are enrolled in Yale and attending class, then you experimentation with larouche will be a great head slapper 10 years from now. "What was I thinking back then?". Remember that your future with the cult is not basewd on how you look at Larouche. Larouche will be looking at you as either a yute to steal from an IVY league college like Bill Ferguson, or , a kid with a trust fund and access to mre money like many of our former members. I would not even remotely compare the real discoveries of a PHD like Zubrin with the lunacy of a bloviating Larouche. Larouche does not even know when he is being played by people to screw other people. His ego is so huge that he fits the description of most con artists who eventually are manipulated by other con artists. There are many people in security who made hundreds of thousands off of Lyn's ego that you will never be told of. As far as being a Democrat playmaker, you were not alive when we screwed the Democratic party. Your praise of Lyn is making the cult's mouth water. We had people like this on our target sheets for BIG money. You may be our next sugar daddy depending on how much you can come up with for the next inevitable nuclear war/end of the economy crash. Your handlers have thirty years of experience pulling strings Steve. That they are experts at. If you don't have a dime leftlike Erin and raise questions, then good bye from Lyn and co. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Steven, How much do the good folks at LaLush, Inc. take you for on an annualized basis? As long as you pay the wolf, he will leave you be with your studies - but as soon as you draw shut the purse strings, everything you've ever told them about yourself will be thrown back at you as so many darts. Try saying no to the next request for cash, and see what reaction you get. Just try it as an experiment, as a test of what we've been saying here. Give us credit for at least being concerned enough about you to share publicly our painful experiences to keep you and other young people from throwing your youth away. We're not making this stuff up: we've seen it all before. Be careful. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
"And so, as I have mentioned before, one can have great appreciation for Mr. LaRouche's work, ..."--Steven Did you READ the above quote on brainwashing? Did you READ the above quote on Judaism provided by xylm? Can you explain what "Dirichlet's Principle" is from all the drivel that has been written about it? Can you truly? The 1974 quote alone (which has not been repudiated by "Mr. LaRouche," and which is similar to many to be gleaned from the _Beyond Psychoanalysis_ series you claim to have read) should strike any person of conscience as profoundly demented, if not demonic. Let me spell out what "Mr. LaRouche" once claimed: "Most women are to a large degree homosexual in this society." "The relationship between daughter and mother is homosexual, ..." "Womanhood is the fellatio of the male mouth in a man who has been brainwashed by the KGB; that is sucking penises. . . ." THIS is your LEADER??? Have you no CONSCIENCE? | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.42 |
Once againe, the O studens studiosus refuseth to answer a direct Query regarding the Sordidnesse and Depravitee of the States Man he admireth so. Only if the Topick be one of Neutralitee, or if he be flattered as a Scholare doth he provide fit Reply. He knoweth the Fishe doth stinke from the Heade, but he stoppeth up his Orbes and Eares lest any thinge contradict the ever High Opinion he doth maintaine of himselfe and his Master. Pity he weren't an honourable Yute, but what else is one to expect from a Knight-errant of Lalusherie, but all manner of Falsehoode and Basenesse, Drunkenesse and vile Dependencie on Mommie and Daddie. | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
Very well then. Let us do this proper. Let us address the concerns in context. Quote, cite, and analyze, and I shall respond in kind. Steve | ||
| kheris (kheris) New member Username: kheris Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.142.200.80 |
Quote, cite, and analyze, and I shall respond in kind. Steven Did I miss something earlier? From August 15-17 xylm posted several times regarding LHL's anti-Semitism, including direct quotes regarding the origins of Judaism. Xlcr posted several times about his direct experiences and pointed out sources of documentation. On September 2 I posted the link to the EIR article on Katrina. Evidently that just doesn't work for you since these are real life examples and events. You appear to be more interested in a rhetorical discourse than really dealing with real world events, including past musings of LHL. Let me fill you in on a little secret; if you can't move past rhetorical argument then you cannot expect to prevail. You will ultimately be dismissed as an 'ivory tower type' who has no understanding of how the real world functions. | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.214 |
Okay Steven, This would be the 4th or 5th time you ignored the following citations. Here is the last chance to redeem your intellectual honesty. Remember, all of these anti-semitic quotes are not taken out of context and are directly referred and linked to the larouche website. After you dignify the anti-semitism, i will teach you the hidden codes he uses with supplemental quotes. "Judiasm, which developed as a by-product of the emergence of early Christianity, and was molded in its further evolution as an appendage of Christianity, is also in its general form a truncated reflection of the Christian type of ideology in general. It has also been transformed through specifically feudal, semi-feudal mercantile-capitalist, and capitalist forms. It is not necessary to give special treatment to Judaism here, since it never existed except in myth, but as a by-product of Christianity, and could not exist except as a special predicate of a Christian or Muslim culture, principally Christian. There is no autonomous “Jewish Culture”, but only a special variety of (especially) Christian culture." http://wlym.com/PDF-68-76/CAM7312.pdf its on page 32 bottom footnote. “Judaism is ideological abstract ion of the secular life of Christianity’s Jew, the Roman merchant-userer who had not yet evolved to the state of Papal enlightenment, a half-Christian, who had not developed a Christian conscience, etc. Judaism is the religion of a caste of subjects of Christianity, entirely molded by ingenious rabbis to fit into the ideological and secular life of Christianity. In short, a self-subsisting Judaism never existed and never could exist. As for “Jewish Culture” otherwise, it is merely the residue left to the Jewish home after everything saleable has been marketed to the Goyim.” http://wlym.com/PDF-68-76/CAM7312.pdf page 39, footnote# 76 bottom paragraph. “We now cite one related, important case here. We cite the case of that influential hoax known as the Jewish religion. The modern Jewish religion originated not with the Kingdom of Solomon or earlier, but centuries later, as a synthetic cult created by the order of the Babylonians and other non-Jews. The first step in the fashioning of the Jewish religion was based on piecing together scraps of Mesopotamian legends (and anti-Phoenician and anti-Egyptian propaganda), with odd pieces of actual Babylonian and other history added to the mixture. The latter infusion gave a credible calendar to the otherwise fraudulent concoction. This original Mesopotamian hoax was reworked repeatedly, always under the supervision of non-Jews, with the basic structure of the Old 1'estament hoax completed during the Persian Empire period. This hoax was first introduced into European languages about 230 BC, on the recommendation of the same Aristotelian Peripatetics who contrived the exotic cults of Ptolemaic Egypt, and on orders from the Ptolemies. That edition, of the "Seventy," is otherwise notable for the fact that it was produced in a variety of demotic Greek peculiar to such locations as the waterfront brothels of Egypt. (4) Later, when Philo of Alexandria attempted to develop a Platonic version of Judaism (the roots of the later Sephardic tradition of Maimonides and Avencibrol), Philo avoided, for obvious political reasons, simply throwing out the mess before him. He attempted to circumvent the problem by the rabbinical, Pharasaical ruse of the "commentary," tolerating the text while fundamentally altering the reading to be attributed to it. The Christian Apostles, confronted with the same general problem, rid Christianity of the worst implications of the Old Testament by emphasizing the "Dispensation of Christ," and warning against the dangers of the "concision." Christ had freed man from such barbarisms as the Old Testament. Only those sections of the Old Testament which pointed toward the coming of the Messiah or otherwise happened to coincide with Christianity were to be treated seriously.” http://wlym.com//text/larouche_secrets.doc (page 4 bottom right to page 5.) | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.42 |
Quotations, citations, and analyses you have in abundance. You still refuse to address the issue of the squalid living conditions of the average labor committee member, the daily pressure under these circumstances to "meet quota," and the issue of whether ONE man has ALL answers - among many other issues. I, for my part, happen to wonder what goes on in that pea brain of yours to deny the obvious, why you can't choose to pursue a profession and help humanity the way most other folks seek to help others, without all this _Confederacy of Dunces_ bloviation you exhibit. I have a real, classical education in several disciplines which you thus far lack, and as an older man to a younger, learn now that nothing so ill seems youth as a pretension to emotional and intellectual maturity. Humility is always a virtue no matter how much or how little one knows. We're talking about people's lives here, people who have been driven to desperation and worse through association with the LaRouche cult - and you want to sit back and pretend everything is coming up roses. Grow up. | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
Since anti-semitism has many predicates and definitions for different people, and since unique expressions of anti-semitism have occurred in history, will you please present a case for how these texts originate from and promote whatever predicates of your definition of what anti-semitism is, so that I may better understand your thesis? Respectfully, Steve P.S. I believe now is a good opportunity to begin a decent academic discussion, as if we were in a seminar and concerned about a similar topic. And if we come to the conclusion that Mr. LaRouche is an anti-semite then we can be confident it came from honest dialogue. And if it emerges that accept the thesis that he is not an anti-semite, then we will be just as confident. Please, I bid no one harm, and am just as young and curious as many of you have suggested. So, I welcome our talk, leaving animosities aside. | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 34 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
and so, with comments like sancho's, it will be ever more difficult to do as I have wished all along. I just hope these comments do not again sour the potential for discussion. I am but one person, and am trying to focus the discussion so that we might actually achieve something with rigor. I do have a full schedule, so I hope everyone attempts to focus and not ask me to hold a hostile interview with numerous people, all at once. Thank you. Respectfully, Steve | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.42 |
Who does not have a full schedule? Answer the question for starters about living conditions in the labor committees and how that comports with a "humanist" agenda? Secondly, address xylm's citations which demonstrate that "Mr. LaRouche" tries to nullify, among other things, millennia of Jewish fidelity to the Torah. I genuinely apologize to you, Steven, for my at times strident remarks as I truly wish you only the best, but please understand that it is you who are now fronting for a fascist antisemite and cult leader, no longer I. All the best. | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 24 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.215 |
Steven, You obviously do not know about the "many predicates and definitions of anti-Semitism" since anyone knowledgeable of them couldn’t conjure such a stupid statement. Also, you are not Plato so please stop disgracing him with your misguided impersonation. You are using sophistry and are in clear attempt to setup the use of semantic tricks. You embarrass me, by answering your question I’m dignifying stupidity. I’m sorry if this sounds hostile, but it’s nothing less than a learning lesson of ‘intellectual honesty’ and something I like to call common-sense. I find your request to truncate these citations rather than dealing with them in its entirety a contradiction to Larouche’s educational theory. I also smiled at your “lets get academic” suggestion since Larouche loves to outburst “that’s academic” to berry the credibility of any real discussion. I’m sure you are comparing my response hitherto as a resemblance to one of your platonic dialogues and I also predict that when we are close to the finish line in this discourse, you will shout as a last resort, “but Phil and Harley are Jewish”…but that won’t save you, it is a common theme by the cult cronies for this reason. Now, let’s start playing your stupid game: "Judiasm, which developed as a by-product of the emergence of early Christianity.” Need I even comment on how laughably wrong this is! Need I Steven? “We cite the case of that influential hoax known as the Jewish religion.” How bout we site the case of that influential hoax known as the Larouche Youth Movement! Hey, I am not being hostile Steven…seriously…because for some reason in which you will explain, this is a compliment to both Judaism and your cult. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Snapple "Real Fact" #185: "A male kangaroo is called a Boomer." I guess that's why, according to _Beyond Psychoanalysis_, they have pouch envy. | ||
| kheris (kheris) New member Username: kheris Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.143.55.105 |
Oh do allow me to narrow the field of inquiry here; It is not necessary to give special treatment to Judaism here, since it never existed except in myth, but as a by-product of Christianity, and could not exist except as a special predicate of a Christian or Muslim culture, principally Christian. There is no autonomous “Jewish Culture”, but only a special variety of (especially) Christian culture. As for “Jewish Culture” otherwise, it is merely the residue left to the Jewish home after everything saleable has been marketed to the Goyim. We cite the case of that influential hoax known as the Jewish religion. Every one of these statements, on their own, flies in the face of the historical record. The second is as insulting as it gets. In my book, they qualify as being insensitive at best, the products of an ignorant mind that does not know, or does not care to find out the truth about Judaism and its many contributions to this world. However, these originated with the very organization, nay the very man, that the LYM believes to be the leader of our time and whom they argue is not anti-Semitic. Either the LYM is unaware of these statements, or has willfully turned a blind eye, despite the fact that they are found on LHL's own websites. And Steven, before you answer any of this, might I respectfully suggest you avail yourself of the resources at the Yale Divinity School, beginning with Dean Attridge. You might learn that LHL has at least some of his facts wrong. | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 35 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
Alas, I am mistaken that actual conversation might be achieved here. I will check-in in a few, but for now more pressing matters call attention. I wish you all the Good in your endevours. Perhaps we will meet again in a scenario where people do not feel the need to satisfy themselves. Again, I wish the best. God bless, Steve | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 34 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
The truth hurts. | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
P.S. No worries, Sancho. I do not care much for apologies, personally, just honest discussion. I wish the best. Steve | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 35 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
The end of a radio interview on a LaRouche website, http://larouchein2004.net/pages/interviews/2003/030517wilk.htm: Singer: Sir, we're coming down to the end of this, and I'm going to read you something that I wrote, and then I'm going to allow you to make your comments 'til the end of the show. Sir, in reading your writings, I don't see anything on democracy or the rights of the individual ever taken into consideration. There is only a call for mass uniformity. There's no call to the pioneer or entrepreneurial spirit that has made this country great. You don't write about human rights, or the fact that this country from its origins, has been eclectic. This is a diversified nation, and it's diversified ideas that's made this the land of opportunity for all. In your writings, I see a messianic message, sir, of demagoguery, in the form of a LaRouchian national socialism. Your turn, sir, and you have two minutes to continue. LaRouche: Okay, well, national socialism is represented in this country today, by the followrs of Professor Leo Strauss, and his French associate Alexandre Kojeve. These are the people called the Chickenhawks, and they've been called the Chickenhawks by others, because many of them did not serve in Vietnam, when they had the opportunity to do so, but now they're the biggest warmakers we have. Now this crowd of clowns, around, especially around the vice-president and Rumsfeld, and also the Attorney General as well, this bunch of clowns represent the closest thing to national socialism, fascism, this world has seen since Adolf Hitler. We're trying to stop them. I don't think the Democrats are doing enough. I think many Republicans are getting nervous. We have to stop them. We have to stop them now. Because if this country were to go Nazi, in the way that Cheney's present policies would carry us, and the Chickenhawk policies would carry us, I don't think we'd be having any free speech on radio programs. Singer: Is there anything else you want to say, sir? You have another 30 seconds. LaRouche: Well, have fun. Singer: Well, I thank you very, very much for coming on, sir. I appreciate the time you've given me, and I wish you good luck in the future, with your campaigns. Thank you very much, sir. LaRouche: Thank you. Have fun. * So, as Steven rides off into the sunset, who can blame him? His master too dishonestly evades a direct question by pointing the finger at others and concludes by reference to some nebulous "fun." If only we who speak the truth about the one we may term the World's Greatest Jailbird Since Socrates - including the above interviewer - were having more "fun," then we wouldn't be wasting our time and energy blocking human progress the way we do. "Fun" must be the thought-stopping operative word these days, much as the accusation "you're blocked" used to be. | ||
| kheris (kheris) Junior Member Username: kheris Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.143.55.63 |
Sorry Steven, I don't believe that you are interested in honest discussion. You were just given an opportunity to explain and possibly refute the evidence of anti-Semitism documented by xylm. Xlcr put forth quite a lot of info regarding the Mars Society and how its founder's success differs so profoundly from LHL. Two opportunities to engage, but you ducked and ran. Again. It is plain now that you can't, and consequently won't, engage in any discussion focused on topics that aren't approved by LHL or that fail to follow a preconceived format. This isn't about theories, but at the very least I would have expected you to resurrect Leibniz or Reimann, and God knows who else to defend and explain why we are all wrong about the two topics I mentioned. Not even that from you. Too bad. It would have been interesting to hear the LYM version of the Mars Society, led as it is by a former member who has left his master behind. Then there is the documented anti-Semitism with its implications for the world LHL wished to lead. I am sure Nicky, Cody or Sky could speak to that as well. Perhaps you should invite them to speak up since you don't know how. | ||
| xylm (xylm) New member Username: xylm Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
Haha, yes you should invite Cody Jones. For all of you who are not familiar with Cody Jones, he is the peacock of all peacocks. This guy claims to be the first youth member when he is in fact not, and sadly he makes more contradictions than Larouche himself. He tried proving to me that 'just-in-time inventory' was the epitome of our economic collapse. When i unravelled his facts using sheer knowledge of the real business world, he was left with the outcry that "it just doesnt work because computers are not reliable for businesses". I also recall him trying to explain to me that the internet was taking away from humanity. The best was when he tried advocating the abolishment of psychology, claiming that the whole field and practice should be thrown out of our country. I found it most amusing when i later learned that he was a psychology major who dropped out for the LYM. Also in his pre-larouche years, he spent his free time doing an array of drugs out of boredom while aspiring to become a white rapper! And if you ever talk to the guy, you will notice from his weird social presense why he chose psychology as his major and why his white rapper aspiration was such an irony! Being the great loving platonic he deems himself as, he cheated on his long time larouche-member-girlfriend with another larouche-member-girl who was "better looking". But it was okay, they just shipped his heartbroken ex to another state like a package. He feels good about himself, knowing that he is spending his life fighting 'free trade' and not to mention exposing smear campaigns about shameful pasts like his! He is about to hit 30, very close to dead ender territory for a LYM. And all he has to show is ....wait ...NOTHING! I guess he is a dead ender, he has no car, no place of his own, no credit (in heavy debt to the movement), no degree, and i have a hunch he still wont make it as a white rapper. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
"Being the great loving platonic he deems himself as, he cheated on his long time larouche-member-girlfriend with another larouche-member-girl who was "better looking". But it was okay, they just shipped his heartbroken ex to another state like a package." Some things never change. This was a common part of LC life. People would be shipped around the country like a UPS package. Often, with just the clothes on their back. In certain cases, this was done to get rid of burnt out members who were financial trouble for the local. Other times, it was done when you wished to split a couple by sending one of them out for a long session in another town. We broke up many a marriage doing this We also shipped out many an unsuspecting member to skip out on utilities and bills in their name. A lot of deadenders skipped out on student loans and CC bills. The real mental cases were sent to our printing office in NYC where it was a common joke that those were burnt out Larouche Zombies. John Ascher and a few others come to mind. This is a cruel and hearltess collective. They screw their own and had no trouble screwing their supporters for millions for Larouche. Lyn just existed as the philosopher master of the universe during this and proclaimed ignorance. What a load of filthy crap. He knew where very dime went and could host elabrate 15 course banquets with the Schiller Institute minstrels performing for leftovers. Steve, you are the "Mark's" "Mark" in carny talk. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.42 |
"If an organisation builds itself up on education and morals ( which is why Lyn is attacked a lot of the time too, because he says things are right and wrong), it is incapable of hurting people."--Rastro Your attempted rebuttals are a veritable cornucopia of illogic. Where to begin ... (1) The accusation "you are blocked" was (is?) used often to silence dissension on the part of lower-downs. For example, NC: Your quota today on this deployment is $200. Rank-and-file LCer: But the site is at the Unemployment Office - how can we raise that much money? NC: You're blocked. You claim somehow that that's the equivalent of criticizing a poor worker. I have never heard or read the term "you're blocked" in any context outside the LaRouche cult. (2) The point is not members' poverty per se (although that is troublesome), but why shouldn't the same ascetic standard apply to Lyn and Helga? You will say they need security, whereas we in the know know that it is casks of Rheingau which are required most urgently. (3) As to morality, LaRouche et Cie were convicted of mail fraud, etc. You will say this was a frame up: how convenient. (4) Your entire methodology is ad hominem: nasty people outside do nasty things x and y, therefore we are justified in doing z. No one can accuse the Hitler Youth of lacking for zeal and idealism, and in many respects they were more "moral" than the many post-World-War-I Berlin decadents. But they were after all Hitler Youth ... and now we have their successors in the LaRouche Youth Bewegung. (5) The LC only encourages thinking in its line. If someone were to speak positively about some passage in Aristotle's _Metaphysics_ or of Stravinsky's _Sacre du Printemps_ you know very well that they would be shouted down and ridiculed. On this point you are particularly mendacious. (6) Funny how you ignore LaRouche's well-documented antisemitism. Just for your information, the first edition of _Dope, Inc._ reprinted the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which by that time was widely known to be a forgery. Among many other questions you may ask yourself is why the "Zionism is Not Judaism" _Campaigner_ does not appear anywhere on LaRouche's website. (7) You speak of education. You harrass people out of colleges and claim they will get a real education in the LC. When does this occur, at midnight, after tending a card-table shrine for twelve hours and then surrendering to a two-hour - frequently abuse-laden - briefing? If a member were to get up and declare that he/she was going back to college, you know the amount of arm-twisting that would be applied - don't lie! (8) How you can possibly defend those 1974 remarks of LaLush on brainwashing in ANY context is entirely beyond me. So much for your putative morality. I suppose the antisemitic citations of xylm above are likewise to be understood in a particular context, much as _Mein Kampf_ must be set in its proper Wagnerian context. Just admit it: you're in a cult. Be honest, and stop trying to buffalo callow youths otherwise. | ||
| xylm (xylm) Junior Member Username: xylm Post Number: 26 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.214 |
Lndylalush, The Larouche interview you posted for us on Sept 7th http://larouchein2004.net/pages/interviews/2003/030517wilk.htm is a perfect conveyance of what this movement is about, nothing but bundled conspiracy theories. But more importantly, Singer (interviewer) actually makes a very profound point that should be retraced for discussion. In response to Sancho’s Sept 4th citation posts, If a Larouche reader opened his eyes a bit wider he or she would realize the horrid paranoid tempo, far beyond what we may label cynical. Next the reader should focus on the chosen words and inferences. Our great past leaders like Martin Luther King never used Larouche’s vocabulary to describe the enemy nor the turmoil of their time. His choice in words is sadistic at the least; these topics can be discussed and “anti-humanist enemies” can be described without these sick childlike descriptions. You can refer to any of Larouche’s writings in scrutiny to reveal his fear instilling tone and his malicious vocabularly: http://www.justiceforjeremiah.com/bey_psycho_qts.html Like all the other larouchies who come in and out of this message board, they dodge real discussion, particularly our evidence of anti-Semitism. That’s fine, im very confident our discussions will clearly show any outside inquirers that Larouche is a nutcase. Here is a link to that “Zionism is not Judaism” campaigner Larouche is hiding from everyone: http://www.justiceforjeremiah.com/campaignerzionism_not_judaism_%20dec78.html | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.41 |
Wow, xylm hit gold! The first paragraph that pops out is entirely descriptive of the LaRouche cult. One reason that it is reasonable to accuse LaLush of now being a Satanist is because LaLush always only characterizes others as what he is fact is: "Zionism is a hideous doctrine, a cult in the strictest most rigorously restricted usage of that characterization, It ought to be opposed merely on the grounds that no human being's mind should be destroyed in the way that Zionism degrades its individual cultist." And how's this for CLASSIC antisemitism: "The impassioned sophistry which the Zionist demagogue offers to all foolish enough to be impressed with such hoaxes is the "holocaust" thesis; that the culmination of the persecution of the Jews in the Nazi holocaust proves that Zionism is so essential to "Jewish survival" that any sort of criminal activity is justified against anti-Zionists, in memory of the "six million." This is worse than sophistry. It is a lie. True, about a million and a half Jews did die as a result of the Nazi policy of labor-intensive "appropriate technology" for the employment of "inferior races," a small fraction of the tens of millions of others, especially Slavs, who were murdered in the same way that Jewish refugee Felix Rohatyn and others of his ilk propose to revive today The point is that Adolf Hitler was put into power largely on the initiative of the Rothschilds, Warburgs, and Oppenheimers, among other Jewish and non-Jewish financial interests centered in the City of London." Scary, scary that I did not see this for what it was at the time. And sad. But thanks to the Internet, you LYMers have no excuse now for not looking at it and acknowledging it for what it is, particularly if you are Jewish, or have Jewish friends or family. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Rastro is a patented antisemite: NO ONE SAID Jews were special, rather that 6M Jews WERE murdered by Adolph Hitler BECAUSE they were Jews - a demonstrable FACT LaRouche DENIES. Once again your inability to reason shines: NO ONE said that because of the Shoah OTHER people did not have a holocaust. It appears you are the one obsessed with video games and magic as you do not exhibit even the most elementary powers of reasoning. Because the Lushites are "doing" something, then I should "do" along with them, even if I am going to school to better myself, say? Absurd. So if I think it a good idea to sweep sidewalks and I'm not sweeping a sidewalk then I should support Jeffrey Dahmer because he may be sweeping a sidewalk? Or Kim Jong Il? Please. Oh, and the thing earlier about people buying jeans for $200? That's called FREEDOM - something you know nothing about because you like all your answers neatly packaged by others for your easy digestion. Can't you people come up with someone who knows how to construct a simple grammatical sentence, let alone one airtight syllogism? Sheesh. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
P.S. "The question in organising is actually get [sic] people to act in someway [sic], even if it is taking a paper or wanting to research more."--Rastro Is that what Phil tells you when your deployment comes in with $9.37 for the whole DAY? Does Phil ask for your stats on ACTIONS? Does Phil say, "Rastro, how many people did you get on the deployment who want to research more?" Amazing how you people appear to have a literally (bad) infinite capacity for lying to yourselves. | ||
| kheris (kheris) Junior Member Username: kheris Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.143.54.97 |
I would like somebody that is NOT in a cult of Church, Fashion, Hollywood, Sport, Video Games, Magic the Gathering and other card games, Cars, Music to make a comment as well, it would be interesting. That would be me. In regards to the comment about Lyn and Helga livving lavishly or whatever. I can honestly say that i dont care because i never got political for money and if you really want to be solid about that complaint then you must also hate Red Cross, Churches, Sporting teams, etc..... but honestly, does it matter? You are involved for your reason to change things aren't you? It is not as though you will starve as many in the world right now are. The issue at hand is the economic and financial disparity between workers and leaders. If you have been paying attention to the real labor issues in this country, then you know that many of our best known CEOs (UAL Inc. is a good example) are receiving millions of dollars in compensation packages while the front line endures pay cuts and loss of benefits that may make the difference between paying the rent or paying other bills. In my opinion such a disparity is downright immoral, and nothing that I know of can justify such excess. Given LHL's pious pronouncements I feel justified in expecting him to set the example for the rest of the membership. That is what real leaders do. If I am to believe the former members who post here, LHL is no more moral or upstanding than the most despised CEO in the country. I'll let the readers decide who fits that bill. This country is awash in leader wannabes floating out of the debris of Katrina. LHL is no better than any of them. Organizing people by having them buy a newsletter is just the beginning. You have to take the next step to real action. Is the LYM represented down in New Orleans right now? Are they feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, and helping the displaced find their loved ones? Are they executing LHL's vision of the complete human? There are thousands on non-LYMers who are taking action and who have demonstrated more Christian love in a week than those LYMers who speak so reverently of agape. Believe me - I have met such folk. You think organizing is sufficient if you get folks to research more? Ok, research this: Back in February of this year we heard from Harley how Beltran was going to use Classical Drama, and Beltran himself mentioned this, as an organizing tool across the country. The idea was to use Classical Drama to wake up the populace to how they were being manipulated by the political elites. Well so much for the organizing. Beltran is busy signing autographs and ingratiating himself with his fans at a series of conventions. No evidence of any interest, on his part or the LYM's, on going any further with the concept. Why drop this organizing tool from the arsenal? Could it be Beltran decided to bail out? Or was he pushed out for resuming his connections to popular culture? Did LHL et al run out of money in getting the repertory troupe off the ground? Or was it just another load of LHL hogwash to impress the LYM and others? I have no idea. Perhaps astro can fill us in on this spectacular failure in organizing (Beltran had a built in audience of worshipful fans as his starting point) and respond to my comments above. | ||
| kheris (kheris) Junior Member Username: kheris Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.143.54.225 |
.( and i never knew that good grammer was a sign of moral behavior, probably just more intellectual masturbastion on your behalf) Ah the thrill of yet another personal attack, this time from the southern half of the globe. And using one of LHL's preferred putdowns too. I am sure he will be very pleased. Still no response to whether you actually wanted to change what is going on in the first place. If you did. have still not said what YOU are doing for humanity. Direct action - which means actually interacting with people and helping implement real solutions right now, today. Currently it involves folks who are losing their jobs due to layoffs. It's much more involved and personal than manning a card table shrine and handing out or selling leaflets. These folks don't much care about axioms or Leibniz when they are worried about paying the rent and getting groceries. You might try reading some of Maslow's work as to why that is so. ( dont bother with reply as my "fling" with message boards is over.) Oh do indulge me since past experience with LHL's sycophants suggests otherwise. (Message edited by kheris on September 08, 2005) | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Funny how the moral albeit ungrammatical LaLushites like to talk about masturbation. They evidently have a great deal of experience in this area, as can be demonstrated by Rastro's most recent ramblings. Oh, and Rastro? Selling magazines and talking is not "changing the world." Thankfully LaLush has no influence on any one except the semiliterate youth and boomer drunkards he retains as his personal posse. Hey, it's Lyn's birthday today! Maybe the two of you on deployment can split a pack of twinkies (with money stolen from the deployment) to celebrate at the card-table shrine your inability to write well as a sign of moral superiority. Have fun. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 39 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
P.S. And have fun all day with your bigotry against Jews as well, you Nazi m-fer. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.40 |
Why did I ever think that the LaRouche people were of above-average intelligence? All the gifted ones must have left long ago, leaving the directionless dead-enders young and old. It's not even worth one's while to make arguments when they are in such steep stupidity and/or denial. It's a good sign for humanity though that when the WGJSS (World's Greatest Jailbird Since Socrates) kicks off in a few months or years, there will be no one of even moderate learning and intelligence to replace him, leaving his foundlings to dither away into a decrescendo of nattering obfuscation and senility. Ho hum. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.41 |
Rastro pulled his posts! I guess the org doesn't want any more of its Jew-hating dirty laundry available for inspection by outsiders. Too bad. They were refreshingly good 2005 specimens of LaLushian antisemitism in its unadulterated form - just in case you thought the WGJSS had mellowed on the topic. www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| taavis_doc (taavis_doc) New member Username: taavis_doc Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.101.4.196 |
I can't imagine that the LYM smiles upon glue-sniffing (though it is appropriate to an LYMer's budget for recreation), so then . . . where did "rastro" come from? ------------------------------------------------- Steven betrays yet more ignorance (and blithe evasiveness) regarding LHL's actual history: It's nice that you count the Holy One as one of your best "professors," but (a) no institution has ever conferred this title on him, and (b) he holds no advanced degree(s). Indeed, isn't the burdensome, block-inducing, "weight of terminal degrees" (as he ascribes this condition to ACTUAL SCHOLARS) one of LHL's favorite put-downs? To set the record straight: the man occasionally gave a free lecture in borrowed, empty--and publically available--rooms at Columbia in the 60s. This does not make one a professor any more than selling year-old newspapers at a card table in front of the post office makes one a "world historical individual." (And Steven, Columbia is in NYC, which is assuredly not in New England as you earlier suggested.) Again, no peer-review + no non-vanity publishing + no original ideas = charlatan. Also, instruction with regard to video game playing and dildo usage (hey, you really ARE getting a Greek "classical education"!) doesn't really count for anything, either. ------------------------------------------------- Why are Larouchies so averse to drawing simple deductions from a bit of reality testing? Steven seems unable to actually *respond* to any of the supportable provocations offered above. Regardless, I would like to offer another: ask any professor of economics at Yale if "FDR style" economic policies could possibly be lifted from their depression era context and seamlessly installed in our present cultural-economic moment. Ask more than one individual, and be sure to tell them that Lyndon Larouche sent you. They will surely be familiar with such important work in their area of expertise. Please do share their perspectives on this board. I mean, really, everybody at Microsoft should just put those silly computers aside and just start smelting iron or something . . . Despite how often you sign off "respectfully" and "sincerely," you have been nothing of the sort. If, however, you achieve a fleeting glimpse of the intellectual honesty you most likely once possessed, do reconsider some kind of genuine response. Steven maintains that their are NO other public intellectuals who are: (a) addressing the important issues that LHL is, and (b) in possession of a sufficient range of influence to make a difference anyway (see Steven's incredulity that nobody else "webcasts" or addresses "cadre schools" and such). Steven, real scholars and public intellectuals publish in major newspapers and journals, address various colloquia and focused workshops, broadcast in a variety of media, and do their best to educate the curious and receptive. To take but one example: if you truly believe that NOBODY has ever pointed out that global hegemonic capitalism has its less savory elements other than LHL, then you are truly blind. Have you never heard of Noam Chomsky (BTW, LHL's summary of Chomsky's linguistics in "Secrets" is beyond laughable), or Howard Zinn, or Susan Sontag, or Naomi Klein, or Thomas Frank, or . . . You might also look into what became of the other individuals who were either in or around the early SDS. What kind of important work--teaching, law, community activism, etc.--did they move on to (as actual "humanists") compared with St. Larouche's (curiously protean) self-promoting apotheosis? If you find the "fun" abating for even a moment--you might try honestly responding to any of the evidence or suggestions that have been offered to you. However, do spare everybody the pat dismissals; you know, those evasive moments when you offer a bit of flattery to the poster who seems the least contrary to your views, and then you move on to some rhetorical hilarity in imitation of your idol. That's hardly a reasonable effort on your part. ----------------------------------------------- Aside to Lalush: In my study of LHL's history, which ties into a larger interest regarding the fate of the New Left generally, I find the shift away from Marx and toward Reaganite/Cold Warrior status in the org to be striking. You mentioned that your original motivation in the LYM was informed by your faith in Marxist solutions to the world's problems. Could you possibly say a bit more about where you saw the break between Marx and fairly standard conservatism in your own LYM day? It's odd to note how many conflicting ideologies LHL has been able to synthesize--however haphazardly--in the pursuit of what is, in the end, basically a cult of the ego (and, of course, a predatory financial scam as the courts have proven). This may seem tangential to the focus of this board, but it does take up the question of LHL's motivations and (in)sincerity. I do appreciate the willingness of ex-members to share their views here. Thank you. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Hi, Doc, I don't want to spill the beans too much on my own history here as I well know how vindictive these "humanists" are and thus do not want to contribute to any further cat murder - or worse. (The police here know where to look first should any of that occur.) Your observations otherwise are very much to the point. I will say that I arrived at Marxism on my own as a solution to human suffering through reading and reflection. I then looked around at who best exemplified Marx's work in the U.S., and somehow missed people like Paul Sweezy, whose _Monopoly Capital_ I did not read until I was in the cult. LaLush quoted Marx chapter and verse which many on the left did not do who were active: I believed him a more rigorous Marxist than others who were politically active, although not more so than some mere theoreticians to whom I was opposed because Marx himself said that the point was not to understand the world but to change it (i.e., the idea of Praxis.) Bottom line however, in retrospect, I was drawn to LaRouche precisely because he "had all the answers" - shameful to admit, but true. Marx, Beethoven, and Gauss were already my heroes, the first two of whom they then vigorously promoted - so what could be better? But overall the main reasons I joined were for the same reasons that any poor soul joins any cult. Thankfully I rarely did anyone harm by my participation, so my main regrets are the time squandered and the way I would rave about at friends and family. But it is what it is, and now I have a life of sanity beyond my wildest dreams. Although I haven't read it for ages, I still maintain a high regard for _Dialectical Economics_ - and was heartbroken when he started peddling that American System crap. It was at that point that I put the blinders on and insisted on remaining a Marxist minority of one - blinders which I suppose too contributed to my wilful dismissal of his now evident hatred of Jews and all things Jewish. I now view him as a gangster not even in the same moral class as Tony Soprano. I hope these rambling Erinnerungen help supply some understanding. Please keep posting as your intelligence is a welcome relief to the graffiti of these Neanderthal Lalushians. I wish I could supply more information, but choose not to with Steinberg et al. tuned in. Be well. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 41 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
According to LaLush, by the way, Guglielmo Marconi was a Venetian agent who stole the Neoplatonic science of wireless transmission from one Giuseppe Jabroni. Jabroni pioneered the use of "Dirichlet's Principle" to political nation-building under the direction of the Conte di Cafone in whose tradition LaLush campaigns in Italy. Interesting ... | ||
| taavis_doc (taavis_doc) New member Username: taavis_doc Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.101.4.196 |
Thanks for the thoughtful response; the movement from theory to practice, as exemplified in the quote from the "Theses," is indeed attractive, and the allure of a program that seems to address every contingency must be strong. I can see how well-meaning people in the org must feel a genuine charge while defending their views passionately. Without question, the LYM youngsters have identified some worthy problems, e.g. the Iraq fiasco, an overly speculative mania vis a vis the economy, the lukewarm reality of most mainstream politics, etc., it's the bizarre solutions--and the hateful, paranoid rhetoric-- they endorse that are the problem. If the card table folks were honestly interested in a vigorous and sincere discussion about politics, I could probably learn to view them as intelligent people with whom I happened to disagree significantly, but nonetheless respected. Unfortunately, it is clear that they are interested in nothing of the sort; all is focused on abusive recruitment, beggary, and the ludicrous ego-puffery that sustains the whole tawdry affair. Sad indeed. What pains me, and what keeps me reading this board, is the WASTE that such good intentions will come to in this organization. (I'm sure that I went through a self-destructive phase myself as a young man; I now work with similarly troubled young people and try to steer them toward something better. It's gratifying work, and I'm heartened to see that so many ex-LYMers have done well for themselves. Good for all of you.) I have to say, not one Larouche advocate on this board has represented his/her views in a way that is not disingenuous and overtly propagandistic. In short, none of their arguments, or platitudinous "axioms," have been even remotely convincing or effective. Their distinctive rhetorical affect is akin to a damaged record that keeps skipping endlessly. I understand your hesitation to identify yourself too clearly; the higher ups who occassionally intervene here are obviously unhinged. As it turns out, I had some indirect contact with them many years ago in NH when I was loosely associated with the Clamshell Alliance (we were busy trying to depopulate the globe in advance of an oligarchic imposition of 1970s classic rock . . . no, really). There were a lot of people protesting the Seabrook nuclear powerplant's opening. I remember thinking of the Larouchies as standard Reagan-supporting lunatics, though of the variety willing to scream themselves hoarse. It's hilarious to think of those people advocating Trotskyist internationalism some decades earlier. But then perhaps it's not so odd given the hard right turn taken by so many 60s defectors; it's just that Larouche's turn is one of the hardest--and weirdest. Best, TD P.S. I still considers myself rather unapologetically beholden to Marx for much of my political education. I don't see that the substantial questions he raised are in any way nullified by the alleged "victory" of late capitalism. As diagnostic (if not prescriptive) tools, there is much of value in CAPITAL and THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO. I don't find LHL's "discovery" that brain power is the "real" metric of labor to be very convincing; how does this view jibe with his emphasis on a resurgent material productive capacity? It's as if he can't decide between the promethean thinker/philosopher king on the one hand, and the productive material laborer on the other. I see nothing in Larouche's vague program to suggest anything but a society of elites and slaves--presumably with himself as the "only one qualified to lead." Where, exactly, is the "humanism" in this view? There is much prima facie silliness buried underneath an avalanche of disconnected references in the typical EIR rant. I think you and the other vet posters have figured it out: these pieces aren't meant to be understood, only obeyed and recited. Confused, and confusing, I think. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 42 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
One of the things that made me suspect that the brutal human relations in the Labor Committees were indicative of a deeper evil there - and these were persistent thoughts while I was in the organization - was that if creative mentation is the distinctive characteristic of a human being qua human, then what of the retarded? The senile? The maladaptive or emotionally challenged (as nearly all members are)? The undereducated (again, the members including the LaRouches)? By his own definition, such people organically incapable of generating or even assimilating creative ideas are less than human. That was a tenet I could not accept. Also, the reality of human finitude which makes each life ever so precious as opposed to this endless PROGRESS PROGRESS PROGRESS for its own sake. I still support the Idea of Progress, but only insofar as it helps to enrich human life. I agree that Marx remains a rich source for the reformation of human life globally. The question is how to begin organizing. It is impossible to read LaRouche at all now: his writing is strictly non-sense. And like a true fascist he always speaks of this or that "tradition" rather than this or that specific idea. Funny too how fascists like Pound and LaRouche think that the world can be cured if only everyone were to follow the same plan of reading. Lastly, I did not buy into the conspiracy theories much, but paid them lip service as it was the ideas and programs for development I was more interested in. But there were some people I enjoyed going after, people such as Roy Cohn with his hypocritically anticommunist persecution of many well-meaning Americans decades earlier. * I looked up Helga on Wikipedia tonight and discovered this nugget: During the January 1979 broadcast in Germany of the NBC television mini-series Holocaust, Zepp-LaRouche wrote the following in Neue Solidarität: "Whereas nobody in the USA has the slightest illusions concerning the power which the Zionist lobby exerts especially upon the current administration, in Germany only a few political persons in the know are aware of the influence of a more secretly operating undercover Zionist lobby, but not the German public. And therefore we must take the hypocritical bogus Holocaust-spoof as an occasion to get rid of these foreign agents." Helga Zepp-LaRouche, ("Der zionistische Holocaust heute ("The Zionist Holocaust today"), Neue Solidarität, January 25, 1979). [4] In German: Waehrend in den USA niemand auch nur die geringsten Illusionen ueber die Macht der zionistischen Lobby ueber vor allem die gegenwaertige Administration hegt, ist der Einfluss einer verdeckt operierenden zionistischen Lobby in der Bundesrepublik bisher nur wenigen eingeweihten politischen Persoenlichkeiten bekannt, nicht aber der breiten Bevoelkerung. Und deshalb muessen wir den scheinheiligen Holocaust-Schwindel zum Anlass nehmen, um diese auslaendischen Agenten auffliegen zu lassen. * I am beginning to think that at least one reason Lyn turned his back on Marx was for the simple reason that Marx was a Jew. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
What happend to the Larouche Jabroni named "ASTRO"? Just as I read his posts I get goose bumps of the Dejavu variety as I heard this all before going back to the mid 1970's. Please come back Astro as I have a lot of info for you on what you posted. IF anyone has saved his posts, please Email them to me or repost them. There was a world of memories from the Jabroni from Australia. Doc, I think that the reason Lush likes saying Rastro is because he was a big fan of the Jetson's carton growing up. To read more about Larouche jabronis from Australia, google "CEC" and read how they took over a bankrupt party and spread the anti semitic kookery thousands of miles down under. There are numerous articles about families who lost kids and people who had their bank accounts emptied by the cult for Larouche. A good deal of money was sent to Leesburg so at least two people can enjoy steaks each night with the bubbly. The Aussie Jewish orgs have a great article on the cult for viewing which describes the spread of the Larouche Jewish problem over the globe. I wonder if any money was ever repaid to our supporters in the US who invested in us from these proceeds? xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 43 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Yes, the family dog was Astro. The dog pronounced his own name "Rastro." I think their home was powered by nuclear fusion. Now get out there kids, have fun, and fight in the tradition of Jabroni, Larry, Moe, and Curly! (Shem was an agent.) | ||
| xylm (xylm) Junior Member Username: xylm Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.214 |
I personally do not give Larouche any credit for unfolding and addressing world problems. I view Larouche from the standpoint wherein an inceptive decision to “move people” and organize them with paranoia was made and never broken. In other words, he doesn’t study world problems to solve them; he SEARCHES for world problems to manipulate his self proclaimed prophecy. It would be quit difficult for a conspiracy theorist not to have a few real problems in his bundle. Our true present problem with Iraq, Bush, etc. is much easier and convincing to work with than his 70’s Rockefeller thermonuclear warfare advocacy. Accompanied with the fact that youths are more susceptible to manipulation, the Larouche movement can exalt more appeal than ever. | ||
| sancho (sancho) New member Username: sancho Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 199.50.29.41 |
The point is, one can fight Bush without being a Nazi; one can support Mars colonization and nuclear fission and fusion without being a Nazi; one can cultivate Beethoven and Bach without being a Nazi; one can write Socratic dialogues or classical drama without being a Nazi - or one can do all of these things without being a Nazi. For LaRouchites, they have a tough time recruiting people and resources precisely because of the, um, being-a-Nazi part. Otherwise, they're just a swell bunch of guys and gals. Ya know ... except for the being-a-Nazi part. Which is rough. www.justiceforjeremiah.com Sancho_Everyman@hotmail.com | ||
| taavis_doc (taavis_doc) New member Username: taavis_doc Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.101.4.196 |
xlcr raises an excellent point about the CEC shenanigans. If you haven't looked into the org's doings in Australia you should have a google. There's a very thorough court summary explaining just why the CEC's resurgence can be traced back to cult machinations. It's worth reading in its entirety (plus, it contains some hilariously dry wit that an American might be surprised to find in a legal document--at least the Aussies have a sense of humor about this kind of thing). ------------------------------------------------ xylm- you're right about LHL NOT deserving credit for "unfolding and addressing world problems." Certainly the tiny grain of truth at the heart of the org's conspiracy theories is the only truth they are familiar with. This ignorance extends to an absurd unfamiliarity with basic historical timelines--as the "Judaism is a fraud" statements cited above show. I agree that the exploitation of current events and imminent dangers is ALWAYS about focusing attention ON the org, vs. ON the issues themselves. It's all about confrontation, obfuscation, and self-promotion. I suppose that if personal trauma makes one susceptible to such appeals--in that vulnerability often produces receptivity to approaches that one would normally resist--then the LYM has a winning formula. Hence the predatory focus on college students and their nascent identities (not to mention dad's checkbook and those student loans--now that's a lot of castle upkeep!) You also raise an interesting point about the quality of the conspiracies cited now by the org vs. those of the 70s and 80s. The Rockefeller stuff must have been a harder sell, but appeals made today: Iraq is a mess, Bush is a brain-dead chimp, Cheney seems like a sinister fellow, the right is squandering billions in a neo-colonial drive (aka "The Project for a New American Century"--terrifying reading), etc. Many reasonable Americans already believe these things. There must be a special quality in the LYM mark, say, vulnerability, narcissism, a sense of futility, that makes the more ridiculous stuff seem palatable. Lalush makes the point well regarding his/her own experience: one can overlook the chinks in the org's logic in the service of some more specific--or more important--goal. Finally, the desire to join up is understandable. The LYM has adroitly adopted the trappings of revolutionary activity, but it's all so much affectation: the org is "revolutionary" in its reactionary pursuits just as Newt Gingrich describes deregulation as "revolutionary." It's the same 3 Card Monty -- only with Army surplus jackets and provocative slogans substituted for cheap suits, flowby haircuts, and that robotic Capitol Hill manner of gesturing. That some young people today view the rigidity and hatefulness of the LYM as somehow *progressive* is just plain mind-boggling, but, again, understandable given that so much of the mainstream political discourse is such obvious pap. A difficult state of affairs, but certainly there are leaders and activists more worthy of attention from idealistic young people. | ||
| xylm (xylm) Junior Member Username: xylm Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.105.158.215 |
The Case of Nietzsche and the LYM: The fact that they think there is only one right way of considering a matter is only evidence that they have become inflexible in their thinking. Such intellectual inflexibility is a symptom of saying “no” to life. A healthy mind is flexible and recognizes that there are many different ways of considering a matter. There is no single truth but rather many. Just as we cannot get the full picture of what an elephant is like simply by looking at its leg or looking at its tail or looking at its trunk, we cannot get a reasonable picture of any truth unless we look at it from multiple perspectives. A truthful intellectual leader would facilitate these multiple perspectives, not suppress them! Larouche, understands this, thus he preemptively lies and redefines the multiple perspectives down to a dense state so he and his theories can never be discovered as ‘intellectually suppressing’ by one of his youths. The fusions of multiple theories and perspectives should never be deemed as the fight between humanists and anti-humanists and a solution should never be the overwritten way of All other. Rather, these theoretical oppositions lay the multiple perspectives to compliment renovations, revelations, and discoveries! This, however, is a whole different topic; let me stop it here to expose the philosophical fraud dregs like Cody Jones profess: Faster than Cody Jones can say, “I escaped reality as a quick-fix to my present self denying psychological decadence”, the entire LYM will teach recruits that these anti-humanist (Jews) are Nietscheans! According to them, it is with Nietzsche where they found their immoral foundation to suck blood, in fact, it is his philosophical “will to power” that gave Arnold Schwarzennegar his drive to body lifting and will to inflict pain on others: “[In The Will to Power, Nietzsche wrote, "I assess the power of the will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures, and knows how to turn it" (that is, the pain and so on) "to its advantage."Now, this is a quote which appears in a number of weight-lifting manuals. Also, as we saw with "Conan the Barbarian" earlier, the opening of "Conan the Barbarian" includes a quote from the "Twilight of the Idols," another piece by Nietzsche: "What does not destroy me, makes me strong.]” --LaDouche: http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3210_hitler_on_steroids.html Any educated philosopher would laugh at the twist Larouche places in the above quote and article on Nietzsche. For one, Nietzsche’s philosophy is not comparable to Hitler’s idealogy, it was Nietzsche’s Nazi sister who tried fabricating some of his writings as a tool. Nietzsche was strongly against nationalism, anti-semitism, and discounted Germans more than any other ethnicity. There is abundant information on this if somebody would just take the time. Further, Larouche lies about Nietzsche’s superman, here is a brief but TRUE interpretation: Nietzsche contends that humanity is a transition, not a destination. We ceased to be animals when we taught ourselves to control our instincts for the sake of greater gains. By learning to resist some of our natural impulses, we have been able to forge civilizations, develop knowledge, and deepen ourselves spiritually. Rather than directing our will to power outward to dominate those around us, we have directed it inward and gained self-mastery. However, this struggle for self-mastery is arduous, and humanity is constantly tempted to give up. We come to see life as blameworthy or meaningless as a way of easing ourselves out of the struggle for self-mastery. Nietzsche’s concept of the Superman is the destination toward which we started heading when we first reined in our animal instincts. The Superman has the self-mastery that animals lack but also the untrammeled instincts and good conscience that humans lack. The Superman is profoundly in love with life, finding nothing in it to complain about, not even the constant suffering and struggle to which he willingly submits himself. In conclusion, I really hope people can see the convenience Larouche finds in ‘redefining’ things and the Case of Cody Jones is only to exemplify how his self denying decadence before he joined was nurtured and compounded with Larouche’s brainwashing and redefinitions to the extent where he can never realize the most obvious counter evidence against Larouche. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
"Such intellectual inflexibility is a symptom of saying “no” to life." Brilliant. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
First, I would like to state that I do have sympathy and understanding on why yutes would find the one stop approach of science, culture and politics in WANTING to see the org be soemthing productive. The long stroll down to the cult of personality took several years, but always uses the same methods and axioms with yutes. What I do not have patience for are the deadenders who knowingly saw the hurt and criminality committed and chose to not do anything about. Even a token of conviction in their hearts would have helped some people before they shot themselves or drank themselves to forget, or lived in fear and self worthlessness over how their lives were wasted by a heartless anti semitic cult. The larouche Jabronis are the yutes who think that I and others were born yesterday and know nothing of how this group operates. We were there, we saw what goes on and we left. We came back via the internet and we see the same lunacy go on with the same age group targeted. Faced with an endless avalanche of quotes, web pages, personal experiences, Larouche's own words, the groups own criminal convictions, Jabroni's think that we are a 20 year old scared drop out who cowers with fear when an NC puts us in a room and screams that the a nuclear bomb can drop on our head any minute and we are jeapordizing the human race. This is for you Larouche Jabronis. Astro began to revel in how the popular culture is evidence that only Larouche can save humanity from destruction. His mention of video games and movies etc is NO DIFFERENT than what every potential recruit from the mid 1970's was told to today. The only change is that the popular cultural measuring stick is a changing variable while the fixed part of the axiom is that only Larouche can solve these problems. In the mid 1970's when I came aboard, Elvis just died. We had a great run on how the fact that people were effected by Elvis's death was prrof that the culture was bad and that we need a new species of man to run the world with Larouche as the Philosopher King. Before this time, we were convincing ourselves that Lyn was the ONLY Marxist on the planet and every other Marxist was evil or an agent. There is only so much money you can extract from wealthy yutes trust funds who wish to be Marxists. The money was in mainstreaming ourselves as clean cut kids who love progress. Tavisdoc, what we did was a a few years of transforming ourselves into a money making operation which used whatever was the politics of the day to get us over with the masses. We began to publish a lot of material we wrote about US history which virtually no real historian could read and not break out laughing over. Whatever interesting works we referenced were always overshadowed by a new conspiracy of the month by Larouche. The security team and Lyn were meeting with various far rightwing outfits who between Jew jokes looked at us as both a money gravy train for themselves and a way to spread some more of their Gospel. One of these money deals is how we ended up puting the Protocals of the Elders of Zion in the early Dope Inc. Jabroni's. please ask your few remaining stunt Jews about the Protocals. Look them up yourself and ask yourself what type of lunatic would include this in book supposedly on the drug trade? Oh, its because the Jews run dope. I see. In the 80's we took out Elvis and used Yuppies, MTV, Disco and other current events to also convince you that the world was doomed. Did you guys know that we used to put signs on our airport card table shrines which glorified the assasination of John Lennon? We had a poster which said, "How many Beatles does it take to crew in a light bulb"? The answer when you came up to our table was "Obvioulsy less than 4". Later, we would use rock music as being Satanic and would create a whole conspiracy about how hundreds of thousands of kids were being kidnapped by Satanists. Environmentalists were a hundreds times worse than Hitler. If you opposed pesticides you were part of plot to kill 3/4ths of the population. In short, Larouche truly understands that a cult needs an enemy to get recruits and your yutes need a reason to go non stop. The underlying message was that why can other people have fun when the world is going to hell and only Larouche can provide the answers. The last thing we could tolerate was a supporter having fun while we suffered. Just listen to the phone calls when a contact has plans to go to a movie or relax. "How can you think of that when Lyn's latest memo shows that nuclear war is on the verge of breaking out". If you stay in long enough in a group like this you will see how people get very angry at other people who are having fun. It is not allowed. So the typical yute will retort to talking jibberish about Boomers, masturbation and what not. You can do a search for Larouche and find one story after another when a person ran across a card table shrine and simply disagreed with them. It is part of the process where you will not flinch when a contact has his credit card double billed. Just reread the Canadian Banai Brith report about how contacts and subscribers were blown off by us when they asked about their charges. WHen I was in the different offices we truly began to hate the people who called us asking for interest payments. It is so typical of the cult to attack every single former lender or member in a similar fasion. The King book has comments from people who blew off a guy named MIchael Hudson who lent us hundreds of thousands. "He was stupid to lend us the money" or something similar. This attitude is what allowed people like your current LYM leaders in Glendale to let people be thrown out of houses and live like bums. Even today we get reports of members from 20 years ago around the country who are now grey haired, teeth rotted out still telling people that Larouche wants to build a mass movement. For the Jabronis, these same members were being starved with 5 bucks a day while Lyn and Helga lived like millionaires every day. The delusion of many of us was "If only Lyn knew". Lyn knew and knew quite well. As long as Lyn can count on Jabronis to believe this non sense, than he will always have a warm place to sleep. You yutes are going to be yesterdays trash when your upkeep can't be met. The lines do not change. The nuclear war mobes do not change, the economic collapse does not change, leaving school for Lyn does not change, the role of Lyn does not change. What ever will be the method which people have fun will always be attacked. This circus will go on as long as you Jabronis let it go on. After you leave, you will find out that the only thing you know is what you knew before you went in, everything else was a charade for Lyn's ego. The only thing you really believe is what you truly believed before you joined. You will not believe how much mush you had in your head from Lyn. Eventually you too will read about how you played in part in being a dirty trick against some thing or someone. Next spring expect a new Exploratory committe for Larouche 2008 to start up. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| erin_b (erin_b) New member Username: erin_b Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 4.232.207.44 |
<(not> The problem with the LYM is that it thinks it has some civil duty to decide and tell people what it means to be a human being. I've been a human being all my life, Steve. The L.A. LaRouchies had enough of a problem with me because I was a comedian. They don't accept anyone for who they are when they come in, and you know that. Don't pretend you don't. Being a human being in the LaRouche cult is defined only as working at a LaRouche table shrine every waking hour and making quotas. You know that. <since> What a bunch of bullshit. Sidestepping the issue. Not that I blame him. Yes I do. <P.S. I believe now is a good opportunity to begin a decent academic discussion> Why would you start now, Steve? No, don't leave, Steve. Tell me again why rock music and pop art are satanic and why I should decorate my apartment in all neutral colors to aviod upsetting LaRouche. It sounded preposterous when I was in the cult, but you're so damn charismatic, it might make sense the way you explain it. No, no, I'm totally interested, two years after being traumatized by the cult. Cult, cult, cult, cult, cult. That upsets you when I call it a cult doesn't it? Anti-Semitism does not have many predicates and definitions for different people. It's a hatred of Jews. LaRouche teaches people to think that if someone can explain something in three words, that's not enough, that they're not smart enough, but it is enough. LaRouche uses entirely too many words. And, so do you. Erin | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Reports on Jabronism down under: http://www.rickross.com/reference/larouche/larouche9.pdf http://www.wej.com.au/adc/profiles/paranoid.html http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/australian/ftp.py?orgs/australian/anti_defamation_commission/ADC_ONLINE.0202 http://www.answers.com/topic/citizens-electoral-council | ||
| stevengrendon (stevengrendon) Junior Member Username: stevengrendon Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 128.36.50.169 |
Shabbot Shalom! (belated, that is) You will have to bear with my jovial energy; I had a wonderful dinner last night, hosted by the splendid Hassidic Rabbi Shua and his marvelous wife Sarah (affiliated with but not sponsored by the university). I felt like a fool every time I bent too far over my plate or leaned too far back in my chair, because it meant an awkward plunge for my yarmulka. In retrospect, I see that my posture was considerably improved as a welcomed by-product of the scenario. In addition, Rabbi Shua was a good sport every time, as he would raise his cup on high: "Lechaim!" I was lucky enough to be seated next to the young rabbi, so we were able to maintain several good conversations ranging from discussing the Italian literary fantastic (the subject of my grad school seminar course), to my personal theological decadence and progression, to discussing the need for my future vocations working as economic policy liaison to Latin American national governments, a la Monroe Doctrine (my flexible goal). At one point, his wife, Sarah, a phenomenal cook and kindred spirit in general, overheard my conversation about the horror of kidnapping accused cult members. The topic came up because I have been recently reading the book _Travesty: A True Crime Story_, on the Du Pont Kidnap case and the LaRouche Railroad, written by the Executive Intelligence Review. The book, so far, has been revealing the case of how Newbold Smith hired Galen Kelley, a professional kidnapper, working with CAN (Cult Awareness Network) to kidnap and “deprogram” his son Lewis Du Pont Smith, a supporter and associate of Lyndon LaRouche (in fact, the best man in Lewis’ wedding). According to EIR, Newbold Smith also paid Don Moore, Doug Poppa, and Chris Curtis (xlcer4life) to assist in these misadventures. Unbeknownst to Moore, Poppa contacted the FBI and became their undercover agent in the matter, tape recording the comical conversation of the day! The book prints these transcripts in a liberal fashion, which is making for quite a tale. So the point where Sarah wanted to come in on, was the idea of forcibly kidnapping members of cults and using sophisticated psychological techniques (ranging from physical stress to using drugs) to fundamentally alter the belief system of an individual. Many questions were obvious to us, questions whose answers would seemingly provide us with a clearly better perception of the reality of the subject. One such question was ‘what is a cult?’ Essentially, we agreed that the principal characteristic was that it is an organization which actively destroys creativity and replaces it with arbitrary axioms which dictate a new general set of actions, actions that demonstrably are not in the interest of said person. This begs the question, what is creativity? My epiphany in the matter came from Leibniz’s _Monadology_. The first time I read it, I sort of shook my head really quick. “What?” I read it again, and I shook my head yes, but was still left with a funny mental aftertaste. Finally, it came to me, as if a 70 year old dyke (built by FDR’s public works projects) blew through, flooding the truthful metaphor of creativity into my self conscious. Consider: “31. Our reasonings are grounded upon two great principles, that of contradiction, in virtue of which we judge false that which involves a contradiction, and true that which is opposed or contradictory to the false; 32. And that of sufficient reason, in virtue of which we hold that there can be no fact real or existing, no statement true, unless there be a sufficient reason, why it should be so and not otherwise, although these reasons usually cannot be known by us.” The experience of reason includes the specific action of creativity. The first principle Leibniz refers to is not a principle at all. It is a principal element of the principled action of reason, but in and of itself it is simple logical deduction and induction. Creativity is not found in this action. So far, animals can do this much: touch the fire, fire hurts, don’t touch the fire any more. Leibniz introduces creativity by his depiction of the process of “sufficient reasoning”. In short, the “why” question; why is it thus and not otherwise? So we are identifying a cause-effect relationship. The effects we can see and logically poke around. The cause is not so material, in fact, according to Leibniz, not material at all, but has its effectual material consequences. Why is there a universe, and not otherwise? Well silly, that is because of the fact that there is a Great Composer, a sufficient reason, the Ultimate Reason, God, Yaweh, Allah, et cetera. Why is there a Leibniz? Well, the short answer is because of his soul, and the long answer is because of the Composer. So creativity is in fact quite a divine action, since without it, we know not of Him. Without it, we would not understand that creativity is an ability shared by all humanity, people who are deemed “fast” or “slow” and even retarded. The kernel of humanity is in every one, which is the touch of God. Without creativity Goodness is arbitrary and not a truthful principle of action. We wish to create nations and organizations outside of government which understand Goodness as a principle of truthful action. These institutions should promote life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Life, so we can be free to do good, which will make us happy. Cults are not such institutions. “LHL” is quite a monster and runs a cult, that is, the “LHL” as he is described in the Curtis Bizarro World. But the Lyndon LaRouche who has provoked me to understand Goodness as a lawful principle of action in this Universe, is no such man. I wish I had more time with Sarah, and I look forward to more discussions with her and others as I continue in my quest to do Good. On a side note, I have indeed been accused of anti-Semitism by even some close friends, entirely because of my open association with Mr. LaRouche. However, once people understand more and more what predicates I understand aside from political or theological creed (e.g. “Man is made in the image of the Creator.” Or “Currency controls are good.”) then name calling slowly fades away. They know I am not some ignorant Jew-hater. My father knows this. My dean knows this. This message board does not, apparently, or at the least, refuses to consider the possibility. It was brought to my attention, that two of my Jewish friends were comparing me to another mutual friend and defender of the Vatican. They said that the difference was that I was very liberal in my understanding of doing God’s work. I corrected them and said that I was not liberal, but that I emphasize the universal. The many ways, languages, religions, one can use as a tool to do Good. And so the main difference between my fellow friend of the Vatican and me, was primarily a result from my studying Mr. LaRouche’s ecumenical work, even though my method is implicit and not in contradiction to the spirit of the Vatican in general, from what I have read particularly from the late and present pope. Salud and until next time, Steven P.S. Hi, Erin. I hope you’re well and that you are on your way to overcome the anger and frustration that has obviously attacked you. Talk. Relax. We are both young and have much energy. Let’s spend it wisely. | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
Once again, you ignore the above statements of Lyn and Helga LaRouche on Jews and the Holocaust, the statements by Lyn on women, and the poverty of the rank-and-file LC member. To what ecumenism of LaRouche do you refer? No official Roman Catholic or Jewish dialogue has ever been conducted by the organization. Oh, and the Sabbath is spelled "Shabbat." Pax et bonum. | ||
| kheris (kheris) Junior Member Username: kheris Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.143.55.201 |
Ah Steven - too bad you didn't share your hero's comments about Judaism with your hosts. So the point where Sarah wanted to come in on, was the idea of forcibly kidnapping members of cults and using sophisticated psychological techniques (ranging from physical stress to using drugs) to fundamentally alter the belief system of an individual. While I doubt Erin would claim forcible kidnapping or drugs in her case, I am sure she could dialogue quite nicely with Sarah regarding the psychological techniques used by the LYM and LHL. I'd pay real money to watch that conversation. I happened upon an old post elsewhere on the web that details an experience Erin had with the LYM and LHL. Quite revealing. “LHL” is quite a monster and runs a cult, that is, the “LHL” as he is described in the Curtis Bizarro World. But the Lyndon LaRouche who has provoked me to understand Goodness as a lawful principle of action in this Universe, is no such man. Your willful determination to ignore the direct quotes from LHL himself, documented at LHL's own websites that support him is quite breathtaking. Chris Curtis doesn't have to create a "Bizarro World" out of his imagination, LHL's own words (and those of his sycophants) documents the existence of that world. LHL is the very same person who described the rabbi's religion as a hoax. We cite the case of that influential hoax known as the Jewish religion. I hope this isn't an example of LHL's ecumenism. Perhaps you can explain more clearly how LHL provoked you to understand Goodness as a lawful principle of action in this Universe. While you're at it, you can also explain why the many quotes, posted by xylm and others (from LaRouche's own sites and documents), are not representative of the man you admire so much. | ||
| erin_b (erin_b) New member Username: erin_b Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 4.232.207.27 |
<p.s.> Steve, Anger and frustration has not attacked me. You called me, remember. And you lied to me and told me you were an ex-member. The LYM attacked me for everything from who I associated with to what I wore until I was insane. You know for a fact that the organization does this to people so stop lying about it. The only reason some rabbi and his wife would be interested in the things you just discussed would be because they've never been exposed to LaRouchism before and wouldn't recognize it for the pre-programmed unoriginal crap that it is coming out of your mouth at the dinner table. I have never seen a LaRouchie treat another human being or talk to them as if they were created in the image of the creator, or act as if they actually beleive that. You all have to either stop saying that, or get some idea of what it means. I've seen you all "discuss ideas" and it's very ineffective, so it would be best if you all just shut up. You have to turn to Leibniz, something LaRouche has approved for you to read to begin to think about what creativity is. I don't have to do that. No one else posting on this board has to do that. How sad for you. Steve, you can learn about Plato at Yale. What do you need to be part of the LaRouche Campaign for? I do not understand this, having been out of the campaign for two years. You must have a deep need to give and receive psychological abuse. If that's the case, no one on this board can help you. Sincerely, Erin Belcher | ||
| erin_b (erin_b) New member Username: erin_b Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 4.232.207.27 |
Steve, that stuff you're hearing at the campaign about the CAN kidnapping people is hype designed to scare you out of looking at the cult objectively. To say that we won't consider the possibility that LaRouche is anti-Semitic is just stupid. Most of the people on this board are actually ex-members and not pretending to be ex-members in effort to re-convert real ex-members like you did, Steve. We all at one time gave LaRouche a chance. We're on this message board posting about what happened to us because we were screwed. I did, at one time, consider that he isn't anti-Semitic. I did consider that the campaign wasn't a cult. You need to consider that he is, and it is a cult. They told me not to read any mainstream newspapers, or anything on the internet that talks about LaRouche that isn't LaRouche-controlled. And from the beginning I almost completely stopped paying attention to anything besides the campaign. I hated every minute of it. Not only that, I missed a whole other side of the story. I didn't even know about Jeremiah Duggan until after I left. I get a different response from members about this each time I ask about it, and they all get more and more disturbing. I can post some of them on my web site if you're really interested. One of them was, "You need to grow up and realize that your friend died..." It isn't childish to care when something like this happens and you were part of the group that, excuse me, may very well have been responsible for it. It's human. This happened less than a month before I got involved with the cult and it freaks me out. Right when I met them they would say without anyone even asking, "People say we're anti-Semitic, but we're not. People lie about LaRouche because they're afriad of the truth." This is downright scary. Then to have to see the campaign tables set up where I go to school. For you to call me. For the police to tell me there's nothing I can do about it. It doesn't matter what you say, Steve. I know what I saw and heard when I was in, and I'll never forget it. Erin Belcher | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
The LaRouche method is to talk. Talking about ecumenism means "LaRouche is an ecumenical leader." Talking about economic forecasting and predicting economic collapse for over forty years means "LaRouche is a/the leading economic forecaster in the world." Very childish. It's called magical thinking. I talked about the weather today with someone: that makes me a meteorologist. I extolled _Dialectical Economics_ the other day and started yesterday to reread it after many years to see if my earlier judgment were correct. It has not one single argument that I could see, rather was ALL assertion buried under hot, steaming piles of verbiage. What I found scary was not only my earlier gullibility but how I allowed myself to be bamboozled by all of the Marxist-sounding craptrap. The LaRouche Method is all empty assertion and high-flying associations among apparently unrelated "predicates" if you will: the zanier the claim, the greater a sign of the author's genius. Disturbing his insanity and my lack of judgment. The only time they evidently do not just talk is when they are killing cats, slashing tires, or chasing Jewish youth out onto Hitler's Autobahn. www.justiceforjeremiah.com | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
"his son Lewis Du Pont Smith, a supporter and associate of Lyndon LaRouche (in fact, the best man in Lewis’ wedding)" The main reson Lyn was at Dupont's wedding was because Dupont had a ten million dollar portfolio trust fund. The org had much success in breaking trust funds of its members when we were leftists on college campuses. One guy who emptied his trust fund is in Virgina where his kids qualify for and recieve State and Federal assistance since the couple has no money after 30 + years of LC life. Dupont is a good example of what Lyn means when he talks about a "Two tiered credit system" Dupont was a school teacher I think when we ran into him at a post office. He bought some of our American System lit and subscribed to our paper. I heard that we had him in one of our small promissary note deals. When we found out who he was, he became one of our "Specials" supporters who was handled with kid gloves to get more cash. From what I heard, he had ten million in a stock trust which we wanted. In one of his court papers he mentions that he wanted to cash that out and buy our notes. We did this with many supporters, especially widows with what were called "widow and orphan" stocks which paid dividends. We had a stock broker contact who could sell the securities for us after the person signed them. In some cases, we had our so called member/accountants do some ciphering and gozintas about how the person would make more money selling other shares and buying our promissary notes which paid more interest. This was the basis for how some elderly became destitute after we cleaned them out. There is a Washington Post article and a Woman's Day article from the late 80's which covers this. TavisDoc, you see now that there is much more money from conservative fundraising lists than Marxist lists. The leftist yutes bodies is what Lyn needs as they have little cash. Dupont's father did something hilarious as he had his son declared mentally incompetent by a court to keep Smith from getting his 10 million. People like Dupont were the ones who were regulars at the Larouche Estate during the wining and dining extravaganzas. A Dupont, a Grauerholz a Beltran perhaps would be handled by only a select few individuals and always made to appear that they were "insiders" in what Lyn was up to. There are a lot of insiders who usually end up being an "insider" into bankruptcy court. One of Lyn's original European members named Webster Tarpley has succeeded in getting his own bankroll as well. Tarpley sells a version of Lyn with crazed 9/11 hysterics in a travelling show. The Dupont Smith show in Leesburg has interested some journalists as there seems to be a chunk of the story missing. In either case, Steve has mastered Lyn's skills at name dropping and writing in an absorbed way in which not a whiff of the cult's history and anti semitism seems to effect the olifactory senses. We always called up Rabbis and Jews to find one who would give us the time of day. The nature of what we do is that we will enter into an exchange of info with political opponents who see us as a crazed cult who can do damage and not be traced. I think Anon once wrote about how the people who hate Sharon in Israel will give us some info to use against Sharon. Ed Koch used us to screw a guy named Frank Barboro in a NYC race. Roy Cohn's enemies hates Cohn so much that they were willing to share stuff with us. There were Reagan people who loved how we were Democrats and could screw Dems on a scale that no dirty trickster could imagine. WE were so gullible that Lyn and Security were convinced that the indictements would be squashed by the CIA and NSA. Kerry got the kiss of death with a Lyn endorsement. This really is a fun game as Steve may or may not have the funds which the group lusts after. Lindy Lush, I am glad you picked up DE. There is always this bug in ones head that maybe there was some good that we could uses later. After one leaves the Bizarro world and reenters the real world, what we printed in most occasions is laughable. Even the work which some person did which was based on sound principals will always have a crazed "Larouche spin" which stands out like a red headed step child. That explains why we never recruited a yute who stayed in school. The more they used our material and had it scrutinised, the quicker they left the orbit. Steve, you are just the beginning of how your life will be effected. Talk and write all you want, we know where Lyn's eyes are fixated at. Erinm, of course you were never told about Jeremiah Duggan. Remember on the LYM site where there was a declaration that NO ONE is to talk about this "Hoax" except Lyn? LYM had no idea why they suddenly saw all of these European members now in the US after his death. Most of our members had no idea what we were doing as they were busy 24/7 and praying that they would get 5 bucks at the end of the day. Most members had no idea why a dozen members in the US were shipped out to Europe when the Grand Juries were under way. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| dave72 (dave72) New member Username: dave72 Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.249.130.174 |
......as the greatest financial crisis in modern history is now about to descend upon, not only the U.S.A., but the world as a whole." --Larouche 8/31/05 ( at the end of a memo about hurricane Katrina, but of course he could have been talking about anything "We're going to have to generate a way of thinking, the mental attitude, needed for scientific progress: That is coming from this Youth Movement. The grounding of developing a cadre, that can educate a population, a youth population, is coming not from our universities, but is coming from our LYM (LaRouche Youth Movement)." -Larouche, 9/3/2005 Steve, The reasonable response to this if you believe in Larouche as you say you do is to drop out of school and join the LYM full time. My guess is that you hedging your bets ( always a good idea ) that the collapse wont happen too soon. Don't worry, it won't. Let me talk about the whole cult issue which for me is a little more complicated than most people give it credit for. Nobody conciously joins a cult, nobody ever admits that they are in a cult at the time, and for that matter no actual cults consider themselves to be cults. Now, if you call your parents tomorrow and tell them that you dropped out of Yale to join Larouche and save humanity, guess what, they're going to quite reasonably fear that you've joined a cult. They will be upset and will not hide that fact from you. Using all of your Platonic reasoning, you will not be able to convince them that you've made a good decision about what to do with your life. Unfortunately, this is where the long term members get a chance to shine. They will make you feel small and will lead you to the precipice, and let YOU make the following simple choice. Do you want to please mommy and daddy or do you want to save western civilization from collapse? You believe that Larouche is correct and you trust in your superior power of reason after reading Liebniz, Plato, Rieman etc. What choice do you make ? Were you forced ? Have you just joined a cult ? As for cult "deprograming", I have serious doubts about the whole thing. I do understand however the desperation of parents who believe that their childeren are in cults. It seems entirely reasonable to me that Luis Dupont Smith's parents would use whatever means they have at their disposal to get their son out. One doesnt need any conspiracy theories to explain their actions. | ||
| xlcr4life (xlcr4life) Junior Member Username: xlcr4life Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.34.223.138 |
"Let me talk about the whole cult issue which for me is a little more complicated than most people give it credit for. Nobody conciously joins a cult, nobody ever admits that they are in a cult at the time, and for that matter no actual cults consider themselves to be cults." So very true Dave72. When I was Steve's age it seemed like the crisis facing the US was unsurmountable through normal politics and human activity. We had just gone through Nixon resigning, energy and raw material shortages,, the Vietnam war, racial problems and an increasing drug problem. For my first few years I sincerely believed that we were in the forefront of thinking by supporting Fusion power and being a proponent of rapid science R&D to "invent" our way out of the crisis. The transformation of the LC to a cult of personality by Larouche was a trigger for me to step back a bit. My geographical situation was such that direct contact with Lyn and other people did not exist yet. We ran our local more like a bunch of hard working yutes who never quite understood what was coming from the National Office. The farther away, the less it seemed crazy. The transformation into a cult came in stages for different people. I for one should have paid a lot more attention to the Chris White frogman caper. Mop Up was explained as us defending against the CP/SWP which was attacking us. In typical Larouche fasion, Lyn drinks coffee and chews on oreos in the village writing endless tomes of his life while other people take gun shots and fists. Then, Lyn says that he is the one who is facing the fire. I wonder if Lyn ever sent a get well card to LA LYM member Ed PARK when he was assaulted in Compton? Steve, check it out for us will you? It is very hard to describe this emotion, but it will help you. There is a point where one can mentally "cross over" in a cult. AT that point, you have accepted everything and question nothing. Each axiom of lunacy leads into another "proof" that Lyn is right and the world is wrong. The era during the 1980 New Hapmshire campaign was important as this made wholesale upheavals of people's stability in the locals. The motto in New Hampshire was "shut up and do what you are told". The self sacrifice people made was extreme and for many people was a part of running a campaign. The net result was a blow out and rejection of Lyn which was now documented for us via the voters. Until then, we coasted on the belief that when the masses see LYN, they will be moved and we will be running the show leading the sheep. The reality was just like today, 25 years later. People see and read Lyn and the majority look at him as crazy man and his jabronis as bad jokes. Following New Hampshire, we went more and more nuts and brazen as LYN declared that the org only exists to promote him. No other vector of work which people had in the different sectors was important and he was the final word. People left and we would hear rumours and stories, usually procaliming that person an agent or morally weak with the blood of many poor people on his or her's head. In my case, I made the mistake of thinking that the overall good of what we were talking about was what mattered. The anti semitic lunacy and all of the other things I write about were shoved to the back of the line in my head. One does come to the obvious conclusion that with out a cast of bright people like us, Lyn is a bad pathetic joke. Our job was to make him look rationale as we rewrote the scripts for the field work. Each ex member seemed to reach a point where the lies were too much to take and left. You tend to keep your history private as you restart your life. What does become quite interesting is how ones senses of white collar crime and cultish activity is now much more refined when confronted by people and groups. A kid like Steve is like a wide eyed attendee of a no money down real estate or MLM operation. You believe because you want to believe, regardless of the history of failure. To admit failure of the MLM scheme is to admit your personal shortcomings, which is what the cult actually wants. This is why most scams and hustles are never reported. It's Steve vs Elmer Gantry vs Steve. xlcr4life@hotmail.com | ||
| lyndylalush (lyndylalush) Junior Member Username: lyndylalush Post Number: 48 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.65.113.38 |
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