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Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 3:58 pm: | 
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Banned, on the Run
The FBI's top domestic terrorism officer yesterday called the Earth Liberation Front and its companion, the Animal Liberation Front, the largest and most active U.S.-based terrorist organizations. According to the FBI, the two organizations have perpetrated a total of 600 attacks since 1996 costing $43 million in damage.
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Found at: http://www.gristmagazine.com/grist/daily/daily021302.asp#2 |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:54 pm: |
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$43,000,000 in damages? Although serious and I personally feel for the aggrieved, the Scientologists, through their "White Collar Cottage Industry Crime Organization" working the legal system to the hilt, took about US$60,000,000 through various business schemes and promotions in Athena Gold, Placer Dome, Pegasus Gold, and last but certainly the most, Miramar Gold Mines, just off our discovery on the Talapoosa mine property in Lyon County, Nevada.
I've asked the Earth Liberation Front on numerous occasions if they were tied to Scientology. NO ANSWER. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 3:25 pm: |
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Green Scare
Activists targeted as ‘terrorists‘
By Hank Hoffman
In the wake of February 12 congressional hearings on the purported “eco- terrorism” threat, Jeffrey Kerr, lawyer for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), wonders whether activists will soon be asked, “Are you now or have you ever been a vegetarian?”
Kerr speaks only half in jest. PETA was targeted as a supporter of eco-terrorism at the hearings because in April 2001, the animal rights group donated $1,500 to the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) Press Office. In a letter from Rep. Scott McInnis (R-Colorado), PETA was asked to defend the contribution. The group said the money was meant to “assist [then ELF spokesman] Craig Rosebraugh with legal expenses related to free speech.”
The congressional hearings focused overwhelmingly on the property destruction committed by groups like the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and ELF. McInnis, chairman of the House Resources Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health and hearings organizer, has made a fight against eco-terrorism his new crusade. He made waves last fall when he sent a letter, signed by several other Republicans, to eight mainstream environmental groups—Greenpeace, Sierra Club, National Wildlife Federation, Natural Resources Defense Council, Earthjustice and League of Conservation Voters. Waving the bloody shirt of September 11, he challenged them to “publicly disavow the actions of eco-terrorist organizations” like ELF and ALF. >>>>>>>
“It’s the newest brand of McCarthyism, because lies and half-truths are being spewed forth by people in the pockets of industries,” Kerr says of being targeted at the hearings. “It’s frightening from a freedom and liberty point of view when you are labeled a terrorist because you’re helping to defend an individual’s fundamental constitutional rights.” PETA has had nothing to do with the actions labeled as eco-terrorism, Kerr says, and neither condemns nor condones them.
ELF and ALF—more autonomous cells and individuals than actual groups—claim to have inflicted upwards of $40 million in property damage over the past five years. The sabotage campaign has been waged with firebombs and directed at targets that include lumber companies, a ski resort development and an agricultural genetic research institute.
ELF guidelines posted online require group members to “take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human”—and no deaths or serious injuries have resulted from any ELF or ALF direct actions. Despite their strictures against inflicting harm on individuals, the two groups are now considered by the FBI to be the country’s foremost domestic terrorism threat. Law enforcement authorities have been largely unsuccessful in finding and prosecuting the perpetrators, but say that it’s only a matter of time before one of these actions results in death. >>>>
There are disagreements within the broad environmental movement as to whether the actions of ALF and ELF actually constitute “terrorism.” Some contend that they don’t meet the definition because they aren’t directed at inflicting physical harm to people. In an unsolicited letter to McInnis, Ray Vaughan of WildLaw, a non-profit environmental law firm, likened monkeywrenching sabotage to the Boston Tea Party.
ELF itself doesn’t characterize what it does as terrorism. But ironically, Craig Rosebraugh, who was subpoenaed to testify at the hearings and until recently was ELF’s spokesman, may disagree. McInnis is using the eco-terrorism issue as a “divide and conquer” tactic against the environmental movement, he says. In a phone interview, he says that he differs from the ELF in viewing their actions as terrorism—“But I don’t consider that negative.”
“I think the actions they engage in are purposely conducted to cause that fright, to cause terror in industries to make them stop acting in ways that are contrary to the health of the environment,” says Rosebraugh. Successful social movements, he argues, “have used every tool in the toolbox. There’s the necessity of not only legal campaigns but also, in most, if not all, occasions, a wholehearted illegal campaign involving terrorism, property destruction and beyond.”
Complete article at http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/26/14/news2.shtml |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 4:09 pm: |
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Environmental Activists Get $4.4m
Wednesday June 12, 2002 12:50 AM
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - A federal jury awarded $4.4 million Tuesday to two radical environmentalists who accused Oakland police and the FBI of trying to frame them for a 1990 bomb blast that wrecked the activists' car.
After 17 days of deliberations, the jury awarded $2.4 million from the FBI and $2 million from the Oakland Police Department to activist Darryl Cherney and the estate of Judi Bari, who died of cancer in 1997.
Cherney and Bari were injured when a bomb exploded in their Subaru in 1990. Bari, who was at the wheel, suffered a crushed pelvis.
The two Earth First! members were arrested within hours, with investigators saying that Cherney and Bari were carrying the bomb for use in an act of environmental sabotage and that it went off accidentally underneath Bari's seat.
But the case fell apart weeks later and the charges were dropped when prosecutors said there was not enough evidence. No one else was ever charged in the blast.
Cherney and Bari claimed that someone planted the bomb in their car and that they were the victims in the case. They sued police and the FBI for false arrest, illegal search, slanderous statements and conspiracy, accusing them of lying and ignoring evidence to make a case.
``I think the FBI needed to eat some humble pie and we served them up a good slice,'' Cherney said after the verdict. ``We're blockading the FBI from clear-cutting the Constitution.''
Attorneys for the FBI agents and Oakland police officers did not immediately return calls for comment. Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller said only, ``We're reviewing the verdict.''
The officers and FBI agents claimed that they acted in good faith in arresting Bari and Cherney. They argued that at the time of the bombing, Earth First! had a reputation for sabotage - including a dangerous practice called tree-spiking - and that it was not unreasonable to suspect Bari and Cherney of transporting a bomb.
At the time of the blast, Bari and Cherney were organizing Redwood Summer, a series of protests against the logging of old-growth forests.
The activists argued that investigators did not bother to look into an anonymous letter sent to a newspaper shortly after the bombing.
The letter gave details about the construction and placement of the bomb. The writer, claiming to be ``the Lord's avenger,'' said the bomb was retribution for Bari's participation in an abortion rights demonstration.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-1801343,00.html |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 4:14 pm: |
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Earth First! Wins Civil Rights Lawsuit Against FBI
OAKLAND, California, June 11, 2002 (ENS) — The late redwood forest activist Judi Bari and activist Darryl Cherney always maintained their innocence, and on Monday a jury agreed. Cherney and Bari's estate were awarded $4.4 million in their federal civil rights lawsuit against four FBI agents and three Oakland Police officers.
The summer of 1990 was Redwood Summer for Earth First! activists who were trying to protect the redwoods of northern California from logging. On May 24, 1990, Bari and Cherney were in Bari's car travelling through Oakland on their way to a musical performance connected with Redwood Summer when the car exploded.
The explosive device was located under Bari's seat, and she was hurt the worst. Cherney suffered lesser injuries.
During their investigation of the incident, the Oakland Police and FBI blamed Bari and Cherney for the explosion, accusing them of being terrorists who were carrying the explosives to use as a bomb.
In a deposition taken for this lawsuit on January 30 and 31, 1997, Bari swore her innocence and detailed the explicitly nonviolent nature of the Redwood Summer campaign. She characterized the explosion this way, "On May 24th of 1990, I was bombed and nearly killed in a car bomb assassination attempt."
The jury found that six of the seven defendants violated the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution by arresting the activists, conducting searches of their homes, and carrying out a smear campaign in the press, calling Earth First! a terrorist organization and calling the activists bombers.
Bari, an Earth First! and labor organizer in Mendocino County, died March 1997 of cancer. Her estate is a plaintiff in this case. Cherney is a musician and Earth First! organizer in Humboldt County.
In U.S. District Court before Judge Claudia Wilken, their attorney, Dennis Cunningham, tried to persuade the jury that the activists were framed. In the first aftermath of the bombing when it was learned that they were with Earth First, he said, the FBI agents on the scene told lead investigator Oakland Police Sergeant Michael Sitterud that "the FBI was familiar with these people already as terrorist suspects, as people who in his words, the kind of people who would be carrying a bomb."
Cunningham told the jury "a purpose immediately arose" that "was instigated by the FBI because of a preexisting desire to harm Earth First in the First Amendment context, harm this group to disrupt its work, to misdirect its work to smear the group in the public mind."
The law enforcement officials saw the explosion as a "golden opportunity" said Cunningham, for "the people in the car who had been bombed to be represented as bombers. And the headlines could reflect that fact, and the world would be told that Earth First had bombers in it and these environmentalists were dangerous and had to be feared."
Cherney told ENS that he first knew the FBI was trying to frame him three hours after the explosion while they were interviewing him in the hospital. "They accused us of being bombers," he said.
Cunningham told the court that the "frame-up was based on false evidence, fabricated evidence," that was "cooked up more or less on the spot."
Bari and Cherney were arrested but never charged with any crimes in the case, nor was anyone else ever charged. The actual bombers have never been apprehended. Cunningham told the court the FBI investigation "was in fact really a sham." There was no serious attempt to solve the bombing with the two activists either as the victims or the perpetrators, he said.
Cherney says the jury's decision is a vindication "of Judi, myself and Earth First."
"The jury clearly blamed the FBI for violating our First Amendment rights under the Constitution," Cherney said, "which means the FBI blamed us for bombing ourselves based on Judi's and my's politics, as opposed to being based on any kind of evidence. It was all a smear campaign."
FBI agents Frank Doyle, John Reikes, Philip Sena and OPD officer Mike Sims were found to have violated Bari and Cherney’s First Amendment rights. In addition, Oakland Police Department (OPD) officer Sitterud was found to have violated Cherney’s First Amendment rights. Doyle was found to have violated Bari’s Fourth Amendment rights related to the search of her home, and Doyle and OPD officer Chenault were found to have violated Cherney’s Fourth Amendment rights.
FBI agent Doyle and OPD officer Sims were found to have violated Bari’s Fourth Amendment rights in relation to her arrest. The jury returned an “undecided” verdict with respect to violations of Cherney’s Fourth Amendment rights for his arrest.
Doyle was the agent in charge of the 1990 bomb scene, and taught an FBI bomb school at a Louisiana Pacific clearcut a month prior to the bombing. Doyle was also the Squad 13 relief supervisor. Squad 13 was the joint terrorism squad made up of FBI and Oakland officers and collected extensive files on political groups in the Bay Area, according to the plaintiff's attorneys.
Reikes was the head of the FBI’s terrorist squad who came to OPD headquarters the day of the bombing to give what the plaintiff's attorneys termed "an inflammatory briefing on Earth First!"
Sena was already engaged in a secret investigation of Earth First! and concocted a fake informant tip.
Cherney says that Earth First! is an activist organization, not a terrorist organization, and that there is a big difference. "Earth First! is a loosely knit somewhat international movement of different groups and individuals who subscribe to the philosphy of biocentrism - that biology must be at the center of concerns as environmental activists."
"We have the motto 'No compromise in defense of Mother Earth.' We don't think the Earth is ours to compromise, Cherney explained. "And in order to be an Earth Firster you have to take some form of action. So you can't be a member of Earth First, you can only be an Earth First activist."
Nonviolence is the policy of Earth First!, Cherney says, and it is evidenced by their deeds. "Earth First has a 100 percent track record of never injuring a human being in 22 years of existence," he said. "Every group that I'm aware of teaches nonviolence training, and nonviolent ethic. That's my experience in the field, touring the United States, meeting with scores of Earth First groups, knowing the people as I know them."
Cherney sees civil rights groups, social justice groups and environmental groups as being "defenders of national security," and the FBI as "the threat to national security."
"The FBI has no business calling anybody a terrorist," Cherney said. "They have turned their backs on murders and bombings and acts of terror in order to protect their own informants, and as far as I'm concerned, the FBI is closer to a terrorist organization than the activist groups they're pointing fingers at."
If Judi Bari were alive today, Cherney says she would be "exceedingly pleased and laughing her head off at this victory against the FBI. But she would also want to be appealing the dismissal of special agent Richard Held and some of the other FBI top brass," who, Cherney says, have worked for years to destroy various activists and activist organizations.
"Held was a defendent in our lawsuit, and we want to bring him back in."
Cherney was awarded $1.4 million, which he says will be down to $900,000 once his lawyers are paid. He expects the FBI to appeal the case "into our old age," which would delay his award until the appeal is decided. But if he ever receives any part of the award, Cheney says he would "do the same thing I've been doing with all my money all along which is working to make the world a better place and protect the environment."
Cherney has plans to write a book documenting the history of the Headwaters Forest in Humboldt County that is now partly protected by law. He has plans for a film about the case that has taken 12 years of his life, and says he has been received with interest in Hollywood. A songwriter, and a performer since the age of five, Cherney says he would like to find time at last to record some music.
Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 2002. All Rights Reserved.
from http://ens-news.com/ens/jun2002/2002-06-11-05.asp |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 4:19 pm: |
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Analysis of the $4.4 Million Verdict for Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney in the Earth First! vs. FBI Case
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Lead attorney Dennis Cunningham said the message he hopes the verdict sends is that: "Ashcroft is doing precisely the wrong thing to abandon the (Levi) guidelines and let the FBI go after dissent with a free hand. It's clear that their intention is not about fighting terrorism, it's about suppressing dissent. That's what the FBI has always been about. Hopefully it will make Congress think twice about giving them a free hand."
"The jury is the conscience of the community," said attorney J. Tony Serra, who played a prominent role in the trial. "In this case they took the high road. They valued constitutional rights above the fear factor since September 11. This was a case of FBI falsity, perjury, and cover-up, and that can not be tolerated. The jury showed the rest of America that even in the face of brutal terrorism we cannot discard the very civil liberties that make the country great. This verdict encourages people who have been wronged to step forward and not be fearful."
"This case needs to be part of the context in the discussion about FBI powers," agreed Alicia Littletree, paralegal on the legal team. "It shows that the FBI has been looking at activists and tampering with their protected activities. They've been doing it for decades, and we've got to put a stop to it. Don't give the FBI more power to spy on people, because instead of fighting terrorism they go after activists."
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See the rest at: http://www.judibari.org/jury's_message.html |
Love Ya
| | Posted on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:41 pm: |
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You guys and your little leader guy, Rosebraugh, are really quite the group of boneheads. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 10:58 am: |
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Two men indicted in ELF arson attack
October 19, 2002
By WILLIAM MCCALL
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
PORTLAND -- Two logging protesters were indicted yesterday on a second set of arson charges in the first federal prosecution of alleged ecoterrorism by the Earth Liberation Front in Oregon, officials said.
Jacob Sherman, 20, and Michael Scarpitti, 28 -- also known as "Tre Arrow" -- were charged with four felonies in the fire that destroyed three Ross Island Sand and Gravel cement trucks on April 15, 2001.
Sherman and Scarpitti already face a four-count federal indictment in the June 1, 2001, firebombing of three Ray A. Schoppert Logging Inc. trucks near Estacada during last year's protests of the Eagle Creek timber sale.
Sherman is free pending trial in the Estacada arson, but Scarpitti remains a fugitive, said U.S. Attorney Michael Mosman.
"This is the first indictment related to an ELF-claimed event in Oregon," Mosman said in a release he issued with Charles Mathews, FBI special agent in charge for Oregon.
The Earth Liberation Front, an underground group linked to dozens of arsons and other crimes in the United States since 1996, claimed responsibility for the Ross Island blaze, which caused $210,000 in damage.
>>>The indictment announced yesterday included charges of obstructing, delaying and affecting the movement of commodities in interstate commerce by extortion and violence under the Hobbs Act.
It also specified that the incendiary devices used on the cement trucks were milk jugs containing gasoline, the same kind of firebombs used on the log trucks in Estacada.
If convicted on all counts, Sherman and Scarpitti could each face a maximum sentence of 80 years in prison and a $1 million fine.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/91992_arson19.shtml |
elfbut tocks
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 12:30 am: |
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The E.L.F. makes me sick!
Has it ever crossed your pea-brained heads that hurting people and property will only cause vast hatred of your organization?
It is my hope that there is a special place in the hottest region of HELL for your group.
Later |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 4:50 pm: |
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Anyone out there have an accurate count of how many trees it took to replace the Two Elk resteraunt at Vail ? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 5:34 pm: |
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Acid attacks sour US passion for 4x4s
Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday November 29, 2002
The Guardian
$$$ More than 30 SUVs in the Richmond, Virginia, area have been attacked with chemicals and hatchets over the past few weeks and had their tyres slashed. The initials ELF (Earth Liberation Front) were found after some of the attacks.
In a statement posted on its website, the ELF said that although it had "not received a communique from the cell operating in the area, graffiti and notes left at targets are legitimate claims of responsibility and indicate the Earth Liberation Front is involved in these actions. ELF actions are a reminder to SUV owners of how their personal choices affect the society and environment in which they live".
The ELF said that the SUVs were targets because their drivers "contribute to the degradation of the environment at a much greater rate than those who drive smaller vehicles - or don't drive at all".
$$$ Environmentalists claim that they pollute the atmosphere at a rate five times higher than that of ordinary cars, use 33% more petrol than smaller cars and are anti-social because it is harder for other motorists to see past them on the road.
They are also three times more likely to cause fatal injuries in road accidents because they are so heavy.
ex http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,850321,00.html |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 5:40 pm: |
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ELF saboteur pleads guilty to torching logging trucks
December 4, 2002
PORTLAND - An Earth Liberation Front saboteur who faced 40 years in prison for torching three logging trucks pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court Tuesday in exchange for a reduced sentence.
Jacob D.B. Sherman, a 20-year-old Portlander, signed a plea agreement that would allow him to serve 41 months in federal custody. Formal sentencing was set for Feb. 20.
Sherman is one of four people charged with taking part in the June 2001 arson of logging trucks near Estacada to protest the contested Eagle Creek timber sale. He and fellow activist Michael J. Scarpitti - a radical environmentalist better known as Tre Arrow - also stand accused of the April 2001 arson of three cement trucks at Portland's Ross Island Sand & Gravel. Scarpitti remains a fugitive.
Andrew Bates, Sherman's lawyer, declined comment on behalf of his client and family. But he issued a statement saying Sherman deeply regretted his actions.
"He never intended to place anyone in harm's way and was only trying to protect our old growth forests and the earth," Bates wrote. "He realizes that, while the protection of our environment is a just cause, his participation in setting these fires was an unacceptable and counterproductive means of protests. The end cannot justify the means."
While Bates declined comment about the case, he acknowledged in court that his client had given substantial help to the authorities as part of a "long and drawn-out process."
Sherman began cooperating with federal agents about one month after his August arrest, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Noonan. The cooperation, along with his young age and lack of prior crimes, accounted for the relatively light sentence, Noonan said.
$$$ The front claimed responsibility for the Easter 2001 arson at Ross Island Sand & Gravel.
"In their Easter baskets we decided to leave four containers with gasoline and a time delayed fuse placed under two of their cement trucks," the front wrote in a claim of responsibility eight days after the Ross Island fire. "Let this be a warning to all the greedy corporations who exploit our Earth's natural resources, especially those who plan on doing it under . . . the title of 'free trade.' "
It remains unclear who wrote the claim of responsibility, which traveled to the Earth Liberation Front press office and was then passed to news media, Noonan said.
$$$ http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=52684 |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 9:25 pm: |
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You guys are true terrorists and have forever alienated me against not only your group, but against your cause. You are living proof that the modern environmental movement is nothing more than the new home for communism. You are domestic enemies of our constitution - people whom I have sworn to protect and defend our constitution against. I will do everything within my power to assist the government at any level in stopping you now and forever. I will think of you every time I gleefully accelerate my SUV, cut a tree down, smoke a cigarette, or even catch a fish. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 12:36 pm: |
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Environmental group claims responsibility for vehicle fires
By TODD SPANGLER
Associated Press Writer
January 3, 2003, 4:19 PM EST
PITTSBURGH -- A radical environmental group claimed responsibility for a fire that destroyed four vehicles at an auto dealership in northwestern Pennsylvania this week, continuing a string of fires in the region set in the name of the organization over the past year.
A posting on the Earth Liberation Front's Web site Friday morning said an "attack" was carried out on several vehicles at Bob Ferrando Ford Lincoln Mercury in Girard, about 110 miles north of Pittsburgh, early Wednesday morning. Two pickup trucks, one sport utility vehicle and a car were destroyed.
Jugs of gasoline under three vehicles were set ablaze, FBI Special Agent Bob Rudge said. Three other vehicles that had jugs of gasoline under them failed to light, although a car parked nearby did burn, Rudge said.
"I have no reason to doubt that it's an individual who committed the acts on behalf of the Earth Liberation Front," said Rudge, who is based in Erie, about 10 miles from Girard.
The posting said the attack targeted SUVs and that it was done as part of a fight "to remove the profit motive from the killing of the natural environment."
The ELF Web site told The Associated Press in an e-mail that the communique came in anonymously, as do all reports of attacks. The site is operated by an organization calling itself the ELF Press Office, which says it does not represent the ELF and serves only as a media conduit for the group.
The ELF is loosely organized. Anyone who carries out an action under the group's guidelines and claims responsibility as part of the organization is considered a member.
@@@ An investigation into the car dealership fire was continuing and a $10,000 reward is available for information leading to the arrest of the person or persons who set the fire _ or was responsible for the other incidents, Rudge said.
@@@ Last month, a group calling itself the "Citizens Environmental Peace Department" placed pamphlets on SUVs in parking lots and other places in and around Erie saying the vehicles are dangerous and consume too much gas, authorities said.
Authorities said Friday they did not know if the "Citizens Environmental Peace Department" had anything to do with the fire Wednesday. Both Rudge and Bob Ferrando, who owns the lot, said the pamphlets were not placed on vehicles at the dealership.
A surveillance tape apparently showed the vehicles catching fire about 5:30 a.m. Wednesday, but Rudge said he did not think it had captured any footage of whoever was responsible.
The automobile dealership has 700 vehicles on the lot and the fires were set about 50 yards from the main building, he said. The vehicles were insured, Ferrando said.
@@@ On The Net: Earth Liberation Front: http://www.earthliberationfront.com/
Article taken from http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--eco-terrorism0103jan03,0,78352.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire |
FUELF
| | Posted on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 11:55 am: |
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Hate breeds hate. Violence breeds violence. Peace breeds peace. Love THY CREATOR not THY CREATION! |
Anonymous
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Amen |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 9:47 am: |
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I will continue to drive my SUV, and will do so knowing that there are cowards out there that want to inflict damage upon my vehicle. Those same cowards that probably got either teased or beat up in school. If I ever see one of you protesting near me while I am in my SUV, I will be sure to give you a free close-up of my bumper (V-8 AWD) while I travel at 60mph. Then maybe the damage inflicted on my car will be worthy of your purpose. I will gladly wash your blood off of my SUV in honor of your mission. It is amazing how you all don't cause damage to vehicles or property of any kind during times when people might see you. Probably afraid of another childhood like asswhooping. |
Not the Red Baron
| | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2003 - 12:59 pm: |
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Now that's just silly, Anon. These ELFers have their crusade (unjustified as it might be), and they're trying to carry it out. Slashing tires in secret sounds to me like a tactical maneuver, not an act of cowardice. To call their actions wrong and immoral is well and good; to turn the debate into a personal attack is pretty weak on your part.
And, while I think the "hate breeds hate..." line is a damn good one, it strikes me as somewhat ironic that the poster's name was "FU ELF". We've got some contradiction going on here, folks! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 12:50 am: |
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I thank the people in the ELF for trying to make this world better. I sit here at the young age of 18 and I hate what this world is. I hope it can be better before I die. Thank you ELF |
blaxshep
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 4:43 pm: |
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All the environmental Issues we face are do to one thing and one thing only - People! Every child that is born will create TONS of refuse and consume TONS of resourses. Do you people have to breed like Vermin??? If the ELF wants to make a difference in the world then it should use it's time to try and prevent pregnency. Trashing SUV's justs makes more trash. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 6:28 pm: |
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Someone bred you. Isn't that unfortunate. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 6:38 pm: |
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I first heard about the ELF on some talk show on tv today. The first thing it reminds me of is "Fight Club". Even though 'vandalism' is done to material items, all precautions are taken to preserve human life. The only thing I can say is, I support the ELF in all its efforts. Money does not belong to anyone. Resources are stolen from the Earth, companies sell it to other companies, which sell it other companies, which sell it to the public. We (public) use the item once then throw it in the trash. Capitalism? Or Earth vandalism? |
blaxshep
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 8:22 am: |
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Judging by the defensiveness of your response Anonymous; you must have identified yourself as one of the vermin to which I am referring. Do the world a favor and get your self and your litter spayed or neutered. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 3:33 pm: |
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You seem to know alot about that. Is that what you are? Vermin? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:34 pm: |
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I find it funny that these so called activists set fires that ulitmately will destroy the ozone layer. HAHAHAHA
Kinda like Earth First....blow things up, burn things down but that makes it ok when they burn things to the ground and pollute the air when carcinogenic smoke and other chemicals.
Speaking of spaying didn't the founder of EF blow her privates off when she stuck a pipe bomb between her legs and drove away planning to plant it in the car of the owner of a logging company?
Idiots!!
Blow things up
burn things down
smoke up the atmosphere
pollute ground water
as long as ELF does it it ok the screw with the enviroment.
A Republican
BTW, if you vote then you too can save the enviroment. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 9:25 pm: |
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Fires don't destroy the ozone layer, CFC's and other propellants do. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 12:05 pm: |
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To whom it may concern,
It is disturbing to me to find that the people of ELF resort to vandalism and destruction of private property in order to satisfy their whims in "the now," like most Americans who get sucked into this stimulus-responsiveness of contemporary culture. Have you no vision or perspective? Humanity has been on this earth for a cosmological blink of an eye, and you think that your actions actually matter in the big picture? Humanity is well on its' way to exterminating itself (even simply through overpopulation) and to deny our increasing numbers the right to shelter is kind of missing the point if you espouse to be such a humanistic, caring organization.
Things live and things die, and that is the operating principle of life on this planet, both human and other. Things will always live and things will always die, no matter what you do. When human life is long gone on the earth, other life will take its' place. The bottom line is that you don't make a difference to anyone but yourself, and even then, you are taking out (but indeed, increasing) unresolved insecurity and personal aggression on the outside world, instead of fixing it at its very human, very confused source.
The half-baked theories and the short-term thinking that arises from being a product of your society- no matter how much you try to distance yourself from it- will ultimately make you less happy and less fulfilled, and you will die a poverty-stricken life (not that poverty is fundamentally unfulfilling, but it is unfulfilling if you maintain such rage), full of personal failures and dead-end political objectives. With any luck, the more destructive ELF's can stay out of prison, change their idealistic destruction into realistic proactivity and try to help others by trying to provide the essentials like food, water, shelter, etc., instead of ruining our time on earth for everyone involved in doing just that. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:47 pm: |
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Don't worry about the families that lose their homes when you decide to burn down a housing development in the name of the "environment". It's okay, those folks that worked at the dealerships you burned down will hopefully find new jobs to support their families. You're only hurting the very people that you say you're trying to protect the environment for! Do you really think you're getting to the people that really manufacture the SUV's? They don't give a damn! They'll just make more, and you can go around and torch a few, but it won't do jack. The people that suffer are not the one's that own the companies that pollute this earth, but the hard working folks that are just trying to survive in a world that YOU increasingly make more difficult for them and their families to live in. All in the name of the "environment". You must be so proud... |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:44 pm: |
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Wouldn't it make more sense for elf to destroy or vandalise privately owned suv's instead of destroying the ones that are sitting at a dealership? |
anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 9:37 pm: |
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Terrorism is simply Terrorism. Every Terrorist has a cause, a reason, a justification for their actions and a rationalization for the victims of their actions. Terrorists create victims and feel their cause is more important than the people they victimize. It doesn't matter if it is an aircraft full of people, the night watchperson whose life is put at risk, the worker that loses his/her employment because of a terrorist act, or the owner that loses all they have - it is terrorism.
ELF (and it's associates) is a terrorist organization that must be stopped before they put more people at risk. It doesn't matter if you believe in their cause or not. It is really no different than al Qaida.
How do I feel about these organizations? Find them among us, ferret them out, report them to the authorities so that society can be protected from them forever. If you know something, tell someone now or the person that loses their life is your responsibility. Evert person has an individual responsibility to protect all of us.
As a resident of NYC I lost people all around me to terrorism. I NEVER want to see or feel that again. Most of you have absolutely no idea. Is there really any difference between a 9/11 victim and an innocent person who is put at risk from an SUV fire attack? I know there is no difference. I hope the rest of you do also.
The NYC Fire Department members that lost their lives are heros to us all. After all we went through, why the hell would anyone even think of setting fires to put more lives at risk?
To all you assholes, I hope you end up in jail or dead as soon as possible. To any that support them, there is blood on your hands. |
ELF MY ASS
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 7:21 am: |
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I just want that the ELF for all of the ARSON's!!!! The chemicals and toxics released during these fires are doing our EARTH a great deal of good. Has it even dawned on you jack-ass idiots that when you burn cars and other things that you release hazardous material into the air for us ALL to breathe? GOD what stupid fucks you must be! Earth Liberators?????????? When are you coming to the Eastern Seaboard to take on real projects like Nuclear Plants, Marshall Space Flight Center, Redstone Arsenal, TVA, Duke Power??? Why play around in the WEST. If you are TRUE LIBERATORS.. Don't burn apartments for needy families or a SUV dearlership. Get off your pussy asses and Prove you want to liberate the earth. |
Savetheplanet
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 8:11 am: |
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You sound like public relations for the chemical and polluting industries.
Fuck you. We are going to take back the environment.
It's war and the greedy polluters don't care about anything but profits.
Many in the government are just as guilty.
And this G Dubya piece of crap is trying to sneak in drilling oil in public lands of alaska into the engergy bill. |
Robert Reynolds
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:22 am: |
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ELF is a Socialist type organization, and would cast America as a Socialist state. They would open up camps and deport people who disagree with them, except maybe those who can be re-educated. This is not about the environment, it's about power.
Think |
Manatee
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:05 am: |
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Oh bullshit, it's about fighting against those who are already in power and wish to keep things that way.
We need some socialist considerations to maintain a fair playing field. This is a democracy, yet in the end it's the special interests with loads of cash that end up making decisions for the rest of us.
You probably are all in favor of allowing those, for example, who lied and ripped off investors recently to go scott free.
You are full of elitist shit robert.
The majority of people are just barely getting by with loads of debt while some make huge profits at the expense of us and the environment.
They could use some re-educating. |
Robert Reynolds
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:46 am: |
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Come on Manatee; it's the wealthy that to pay clean up all the crap and pollution (even yours). Capitalism may not seem fair to you, but it really does "lift all boats" and generate wealth. Now if you just want to punish the wealthy then that’s another issue. But don't expect them to make the $$ if there’s nothing in it for them. And if they don’t generate $$, then there’s nothing to loot! See how it works? Capitalism may suck in some ways suck, but it is effective. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 1:08 pm: |
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That the same old justfication been used forever.
Bullshit and more bullshit.
People can still generate wealth and be socially conscious.
Not all methods of generating wealth should be tolerated.
White, white collar criminals get light sentences and nice jails. Our society makes things easy on many of them. Not all, but many.
Victomless non-violent crimes, like marijuana smoking fills our jails to beyond capacity. Mostly black men. |
Anonymous
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Excessive sSocialism leads to totalitarianism. One can see how well those governments do and how enjoyable the citizenry finds them.
We already HAVE a great deal of socialism in our culture. We have social security, welfare, programs, many other things. Many of these are good things- not perfect, but they fill a lot of much-needed wants and needs of the population and I'm all for them.
But introducing more and more and more governmental socialistic strictures will curtail more freedom and if one kept going along this line, democracy would no longer be the prevailing governmental form we have here.
That would be bad.
The thing about democracy, in my own speculation (and this may be totally off base. this is a concept I'm playing with) is that it says (so to speak) "Ok, I'm not going to babysit you guys. You're free to screw up a bit and even to screw each other over. As you have freedom, you also have freedom to act as you please and if what you please is doing something shitty, well,you'll have that freedom." Laws, statutes, case law, municipal codes and strictures then enter the picture but there's a balancing act. Can we have this stuff and still have democratic freedoms?
yes, we can, but we'll lose a bit. The people then say: "I'll take that chance. I want to be safe on the streets at night, safe in my own home."etc. (I once met a lady from S Africa who emigrated to the US with her family. She said in her house, she had to lock EVERY door behind her. I mean, interior doors, etc. It was that dangerous. The idea there is it slows people down if they break in to hurt you because then they have to go through half a dozen doors instead of just one.)
But too many laws, too many limits, and you get out and out totalitarian socialism.
It's a really delicate issue fraught with many grey lines.
I am highly unimpressed with conservatives and liberals alike.
They both accuse one another of doing the same thing they each are doing- of truncating the rights of others.
So, we already HAVE lots of socialistic elements levelling our playing field and it's not really helping. Having more would be a disaster. |
Anonymous
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I'm with you savetheplanet....the latest bit of news from dubya is that he doesn't want to take down a few dams so the salmon can spawn...evidently he thinks fish farms are an indication that salmon are increasing.
What's with these corporate pigs anyway - they want to use up all the natural resources, recycle nothing, and to hell with the future.
Senator Rick Santorum is a prime example of this use it all up philosophy (remember him - he thought homosexuality was in the same category as pedophilia, incest, bestiality,etc) ...he believes that there is no need to plan for the future. He is a very devout Catholic too.. |
Anonymous
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I'll take a corporate pig over a Stalin or Lenin any day. |
savetheplanet
| | Posted on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 11:56 am: |
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Oh fuck you. We're not talking about mass murderers.
Socialistic ideas do not mean totalitariansims.
It just means that within a democracy there are guidelines to keep things equal and fair.
The land belongs to ALL OF US. Not the the George Dubya/Cheney/Condolleza revolving door government oil stooges. |
Anonymous
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Socialistic ideas don't MEAN totalitarianism, aren't synonyous with it but DO lead to it.
It's a slippery slope. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 1:17 pm: |
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Wait- I meant to say "can" lead to it. |
savetheplanet
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 11:01 am: |
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And our system is demonstrating that fuck heads can slip into positions of control, so it's the same thing.
Corporate heads can fuck people over with impunity.
Socialism and Democracy can work well together.
We are just under the bizarre false notion that capitalism = democracy. It doesn't. |
Sam
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Your only causing more harm by burning buildings and SUV's, etc. What do you think created all of these things? Earths resources. And by destroying them your only using more of earths resources to rebuild them. Come on are you stupid? |
Anonymous
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Everybody knows that an ELF is a fairy. Why do you think that they are so frustrated? Also being diminutive in size can really cause social problems. Hopefully they will eradicate themselves while performing their costly and useless rituals. |
savetheplanet
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 3:21 pm: |
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Fuck you sam. Who said I was burning anything.
You can't keep blaming the bad things on a few stupid people.
They are just so sick and tired and upset (and probably a bit insane) from feeling powerless against the fuk-heds who are raping the planet. |
Sam
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I agree savetheplanet, WHO did say you were burning things? I was speaking to the ELF. By the way most of your posting are completely useless, next time try to leave out of your large vocabulary the word FUCK.
I know FUCK you Sam. |
savethetrees
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 2:28 pm: |
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Screw you. Is that better? You sound just like a totalitarian fuck trying to tell others what to do. |
Anonymous
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To the person with the dirty mouth. Do you know using the words that you use shows a limited vocabulary and takes away from the point you're trying to make. Don't you know any other words? Or did you learn to speak that way from your mother? |
Sam
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Well now we have savetheplanet and savethetrees or are you one of the same 17 to 23 year old who is scared to enter the big bad world we call earth. Because your life is going so bad that doesn't mean everything is bad for the earth. You say, how do I know this about you? Well actually I don't but something has to be wrong with your life. What is it talk to me confused angered one. |
savethetrees
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 5:13 pm: |
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Save the trees, man.
What did the trees ever do to you? |
Anonymous
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When you can't find anything logical to say, you attack the writer and call him (savetheplanet) a fairy. Maybe he is young, but he is frustrated by the present administration that doesn't give a rat's ass about anything other than money and corporate greed. That anger comes out in expletives - I feel the same as savetheplanet, but being older, I temper my language a bit.
By the way, some of my best friends are fairies |
peter pan
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 12:03 am: |
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Each tree is watched over by a nymph or fairy. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 2:26 am: |
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ELF lacks direction, they are just eco thugs |
fly by night
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 3:27 pm: |
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Saying ELF lacks direction is like saying a river doesn't know where it's flowing.
Or a seed drifting from a branch doesn't know where it will take root.
Yet life propels them forward in the grand scheme of things.
What is more brutal than the greed and abusive rape of the land? |
Anonymous
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"Fly by Night" needs to get a grip on reality and stop waxing poeting. I about puked. "What is more brutal than the greed and abusive rape of the land?" Well, to answer that literally (and not in some stupid poetic verse), "NOTHING!!" However, there CAN be a balance...balance between protecting the one planet we live on AND utilizing WISELY the resources we need to keep people alive (think Maslow's Needs Hiercharcy. I'm referring to the one of the BOTTOM RUNGS!!).
My question is this: How many people associated with ELF or who have responded, in my opinion, radically above like the SAVETHETREES dude, have ANY environmental education? Do you REALLY KNOW WHAT THE HELL you're talking about? There is nothing worse than "knee-jerk" anything....politics (radical left or right), enviro-issues, animal issues, ad nauseum. If you can't speak intelligently, you should "shut up and color." Or get an education so you CAN speak intelligently. I'm not saying people shouldn't have opinions, but have that opinion based on facts. Opinions--voiced, BUT educated ones--are a critical to resolving any issue. I believe, too, that apathy is the one thing that will surely kill our planet. I have a grad. degree in environmental science and worked for the a huge federal environmental agency (guess). "Sam's" response to "SAVETHEPLANET"--about the lunacy of burning and vandalism is right on. If you really want to make something happen, do it the RIGHT way: get SMART on what's really going on, then fight it out in the open, in the streets, and through your Congressmen/women. If you go out there and do stupid things, NOT KNOWING DICK about ecosystems and the anthropogenic effects upon them, you "de-legitimize" your cause. Acting like the little Osama bin Ladens of Terra Firma is NOT going to sway public opinion...and that's what you need to do. Sadly, I think some who responded above are just bored, bratty children who don't want to do any real research. They'd much rather be little radicals--akin to throwing themselves down on the floor when Mommy wouldn't pay attention to them. And, finally, to "SAVETHEPLANET": What do you really know about fossil fuel operations? Like coal-bed methane and/or petroleum? NADA? I'll bet not. Don't shoot from the hip. You may end up shooting yourself in the foot.
I give a shit, so I wrote. But I also know what the hell I'm talking about. |
fly by night
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Whose education are you talking about?
Get an education where? From the devlopers?
From out president who is ready to sell us out at a moments notice for his oil buddies (like he is doing in iraq)?
From eco-scientists with a vested interest in finding smarmy ways to "co-exist" with environmental needs?
From the World Bank people who are more than happy to screw over local ecologies to make a buck.
We can learn from the land. From the trees and the streams. We can learn from nature
And nature says stop. |
Anonymous
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It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who asks fucking idiotic questions like, "Get an education where? From the developers?" Yeah, that's it, asshole, I got my master's degree from Proctor and Gamble.
Smarmy ways? Like what? More knee-jerk bullshit. You can't EVEN come up with a specific. Like, what? And what's the smarmy result?
World Bank? Hey, they don't always blow my dress up, but they also have provided money to a multitude of struggling econmies--third-word--so people don't die.
"We can learn from the land. From the trees and streams"? Do you EVEN KNOW anything about stream morphology? Anything about RIPARIAN ecosystems? How fragile they are? What kind of horseshit is that above? Can't you EVEN come up with a relevant statement? Hell no. And that's your's and a lot of other people's problem. Unfortunately, you make most people roll their eyes back and go, "What a fucking nut." You DO NOTHING TO FURTHER ANY CAUSE that might help the environment. "And nature says stop." Holy shit. Can't you come up with anything better than that? How about we all join hands and sing, "We are the World"? That was exactly my point. You don't know DICK about the environment. |
fly by night
| | Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 9:45 pm: |
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I know YOU are a dick.
The only Proctor, you work for
is your butt buddy giving your
regular proctology exams.
Sounds like you work for a chemical company
that has to find ways to justify all your evil deeds over the years.
Listen to the trees. They will tell you much more than your high priced lawyers and PR team. |
ELFsucksass
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 1:32 am: |
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I can't believe I witnessed it again. Liberals in an argument always follow the same pattern: start an argument with half-truths and conspiracies, lose the argument when the facts arise, start with the name calling, and then throw in a jab at President Bush for good measure. Amazing. And tell that "Tony Montana" impersonator "Savethetrees" to pick up a Thesaurus. And this time, don't roll the pages into a "doobie."
Ok ELF MORONS, here's a question for you. If you torch a Hummer dealership that sits on the edge of a National Forest, and said forest goes up in flames and takes out an endangered wildflower and two endangered animals, what point have you proven? Oh, oh, I know this one! It proves that you people are nothing but a bunch of self-righteous cretins. You are incapable of real activism, so you destroy your "Tonka Toys" like a demented bunch of whinny 5 year olds with a magnifying glass and the sun!
The earth needs ELF like an ICBM. Not only do your actions cause more damage than the material goods you destroyed could possibly do, what in the world makes you think you're going to change someone's mind through violence?
If you burn a man's SUV, his insurance company is going to buy him another one, and just to spite you unwashed freaks, he'll probably buy a bigger one and tow a gas-guzzling boat behind it. Get it, dumbasses? Your efforts are counter-productive to whatever point you are trying to make.
I notice you people strike at night like a pack of wild dogs. What are you afraid of? Try burning a few SUV's in Texas, you cowardly fucks. See if a few of you don't end up as hood ornaments for the oilmen you swear are ruining this country.
Get it straight - don't fuck, screw, mess with, tickle, sneeze at, or even so much as fling a booger at another man's property. Believe in God? It's in the Bible - Do Not Steal. One of these days, one of you miscreants is gonna catch a bullet. And then let's see how many more Hummers and apartments are burned.... |
Mother Earth
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 8:59 am: |
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Another man's property? You gotta be kidding.
Just look at the history of oil in this country.
Big buisness with NO religious or moral considerations.
The rockefellers enslaved men and even killed them to get their money.
Look at ENRON recently. Greedy fucks wiping out
the savings of thousands.
And the land an oil? Who REALLY owns it?
Do the indians own it because they were here first? No. It almost always comes down to greedy
individuals who will do anything to make money.
Get is straight gomer, you keep fucking over the people and the land and you can't complain if you agitate peple into a reaction. |
enditall
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 3:11 pm: |
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Where does it all end? Will your loving and merciful christian God protect the earth, animals, and even the people? Signs point to "no". Will our freedom loving, capitalist, terror-fighting government? Same answer. Get involved, vote, donate, etc. Doesn't seem to help much either. People in power ---Ascroft, Bush, Cheney have the support necessary to ignore the public interest in order to pursue their personal agendas. Does it make anyone wonder how the company Cheney was formely president of got reconstruction contacts for Iraq while other companies were told no decisions had been made yet. Bet that the grants for research into fuel-effecient auto engines will be withdrawn by the govt. now that the administration thinks it has a 20 yr. cheap oil supply. Anyone old enough to remember the gasoline prices of the mid 70's? How many 10-15 mpg SUV drivers will be willing to pay $3.00 a gallon? But if we drill in wilderness areas we won't have to face that as a reality, right? The reality we will face is that large corporations will continue to back a govt. that thinks only of ways to keep them happy by opening more land for development and reducing the corporations responsibility to the public's interest. We call on all groups and individuals to collectively end this travesty. Not just the tree-huggers (with adoration), liberals or animal rights activists but all those who have a stake in protecting our rights, our homes, our livelihoods --- farmers, the religious right, small business owners, hunters, fisherman, lawyers, manual and skilled laborers. Even though many of these people do not agree on specifics, together the have a united interest in justice, environment and economy. Take resposibility for your everyday actions. Don't bicker on the small issues because thats exactly what will kept us from uniting against the larger issues. Do what is necessary to bring the bureacracy and capitalist machine back down to what we need --accountability to the public -- for without us they cannot exist. Start simple --- organize a boycott of a corporation or research nominees (don't simply vote a party line). When we start to make an impact perhaps the "eco-terrorist" will be able to live among society again. But if you do nothing, then you can say nothing against these people who have been deserted by their fellow citizens and go outside the morals of society to bring recognition the this tragedy. |
Old ELF
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 4:52 pm: |
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Before there was an Earth Liberation Front, there was the original ELF which was the Environmental Life Force. The original ELF was founded in 1977 in Santa Cruz, California, USA. The original ELF was a direct-action, radical environmental orginization and carried out several attacks in California and Oregon. The group disbanded following the arrest and conviction of the ELF founder. Several years later, the ELF name was copied by the current eco-guerrilla cadre. A new website has been published by the original ELF. Home: http://home.earthlink.net/~originalelf/
Archives: http://home.earthlink.net/~elf-link/
Communique: http://home.earthlink.net/~elf-1977/
The home page has an interview with ELF's founder where he discusses his views on violent tactics. |
Anonymous (24.215.106.171)
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I met Michael Scarpitti here in Canada through food not bombs and organizing protests against the invasion of Iraq. Josh Rivers, as I knew him; is a great guy. He cares about the world we live in. He once called and woke me up to ask if I was printing cop watch posters on recycled paper. To the poster who bitched and moaned about his precious SUV- How can you joke about running someone over just because they actually give a toss about the world we live in. Do you understand what those things are doing to the environment? It is not just SUV's but all vehicles. Gasoline is neither a sustainable or ecologically sound energy source. If everyone thought and consumed like you do our world would not be in half the shape it is today (which isn't saying very much). Your greed and ignorance sicken me.
Environmental and social activism have nothing to do with your McCarthy-ist preconception of what communism is supposed to be. Get a life and lose the suv. |
JoeBillieDay (217.42.51.191)
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You couldn't "ask the liberation front" if they were tied to scientology, it is not as if it is comprised of one huge group who attend regular meetings, it is the collective name for all individuals all over the world who share one goal. To end non-human animal exploitation and specieism.
As for the terrorism label, it's always easier to taint something you don't agree with, or that challenges your belief by suggesting it has an alterier motive. Animal rights activists on the whole, do cause damage to property and to business, but not durectly to other humans. It would be hypocritical of those who fight to end oppression and suffering, to inflict it on other beings. If one individual decides they will carry out the act of violence towards another human, then that is their individual decision, not that of the 'animal liberation front'.
Number of lives taken by an animal rights activist: 0
Number of lives taken by vivisection: Millions
Sorry, who's the terrorist?
We are specieist, in that we believe that our own well-being and the rights of our own species are paramount to others, simply because we are human. This I am aware is a deeply ingrained belief that stems from religion, however it is not one based on logic.
Through- out history, there has always been oppression, whether it be against sex, skin colour, race, religion, etc. Currently the biggest oppression is against non-human animals. Past victims of oppression have spoken up for their rights, told of their pain. Non-human animals do not speak our language, this makes the struggle to end oppression even harder. |
Guess?! (150.131.165.233)
| | Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 6:32 pm: |
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ELF is the logical evolution of the environmental movement which has struggled for the last century to save us from our destructive consumtive habits which are destroying this planet and all life including ourselves.... Quit bitching and go do something if you think that we are doing it wrong...
ELF |
matt (24.131.8.19)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 2:16 pm: |
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Why ELF slashes tires is beyond me. I guess they aren't educated enough to realize that the few times I drive my SUV are to kayak and to work twice a week. A corolla is not going to haul 6 boats and 6 people to the kayak put-in.
Also, it is ignorant of them not to realize that the negative environmental impact of the wasted rubber far exceed the negative fact that my SUV gets 2 miles less per gallon then a luxury car. (tires are not biodegradable and are costly to recycle, for those who didn't know).
To me, they are the same as the pro-life extremist that blow people up at abortion clinics. |
Anonymous (68.82.65.160)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:39 pm: |
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Terriorism is wrong no matter what cause!! Burning building is bad for the environment, you only released toxic chemicals into the air. Backing up traffic is also bad for the environment for obvious reasons. Although you may be trying to help the environment, you in fact are harming mother earth. By prepetrating and supporting terrist activities you only hurt your cause and liken yourselves to Al-Qaeda and 9/11. No one takes your actions seriously, they are criminal. Why can't you try doing something more effective, like voting, lobbing congress, etc. I know why, it's to hard. It's easier for you to hide in the shadows and sneek around destroying and disrupting. If you want to do something thrilling rock climb, cliff dive, sky dive, etc. I love the earth as much or more than you do but I support organizations that make a difference. |
Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 12:18 am: |
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how about those Lazy politicians sitting in office in Philly ??? still crime in the streets ,still dirty trash laying all over the place ., why pay tax to some clowns thats too lazy to do their job... |
Old ELF (63.191.201.136)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 8:03 pm: |
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The Original ELF web address has been updated. To vist the site, go to: http://www.originalelf.com/ The site has an interview with the ORIGINAL ELF founder and there are links to archival material and communiques. |
change_the_pig_culture (change_the_pig_culture)
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Username: change_the_pig_culture
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 68.249.77.57
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 7:08 pm: |
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To all of you who fail to see the need for an organization such as ELF, take a look at that cloud of shit that hangs over the cities you never get out of. This is a disgusting, greedy, and ignorant culture we've created, and the natural world gets to pay for this. Since we continue to elect politicians who have little value for life and environmental harmony, Organizations like ELF are vital.
In addition I laugh at those of you who have embraced the "eco-terrorism" term. ELF has never hurt anyone, and has strict guidelines against it. An ultra-conservative from MT came up with that one, in an attempt to turn people against the ELF. |
slapdaddy (slapdaddy)
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Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 209.132.168.110
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 3:21 am: |
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wow, after reading this i am stirred to act. i am now going to trade my suv in, and buy the next larger size with the largest motor available. then i am going to fire up my stilh. anyway, if you ELF supporters/members really want to save the planet, convince people to stop fucking and churning out babies. until that happens stop patting your selves on the back, because you arent going to accomplish anyting. my guess, its just an excuse to comit arson and sabotage. i bet its lots of fun. your parents must be so proud. point is, population control is the only thing that is going to save this planet. so all you bunny fucking, tree hugging, pro-life, self rightious, liberal art school grads (AKA tools) need to wake up. your little campaign targets the effect not the cause. way to go! |
ncr (ncr)
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Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 209.240.205.61
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IF you are a supporter of these stupid ELF fruit cakes, stay away from me or you will not be able to walk away from me.
They are total SCUM!
Neil C. Reinhardt |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 8:48 pm: |
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From the original ELF, "Hello friends: Would you please consider posting the following communique regarding the Earth Liberation Front? if possible post it in either the "News" or "Pro" section of your Earth Liberation Front page. The article/communique can be found at; http://originalelf.blogspot.com/ I believe the article will be helpful in preventing future violence amongst Earth Liberation Front members. Many thanks for your work...John Hanna" |
viet_bong (viet_bong)
Junior Member
Username: viet_bong
Post Number: 30
Registered: 2-2006
Posted From: 70.26.242.23
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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ncr you are OLD who the hell are you scaring? maybe some paper napkin in the corner is shaking. oh wait its just the wind. you couldnt fight your way out of a wet paper bag let alone wipe your arse in a timely fasion. stop with the wanna be threats, because comming from you they are not threatening. dont worry no one in their right mind wants to go near you anyway. |
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