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     gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1572 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10056 | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 353 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 |
wow dave you posted this in 2 places those feminists have scared the hell out of you-you haven't by any chance been convicted of a crime against a woman have you? | ||
| angietangerine (angietangerine) Intermediate Member Username: angietangerine Post Number: 129 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 130.18.149.108 |
hi rachel kinda funny aint it? hey gatordave: i responded to your other post on the other topic. i hate to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man but i will if you insist. happy trolling. | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 355 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 |
Hi angie-i knew you'd find this post amuzing-but with a name like gatordave-what else could we expect-it's all in the name dave-thise darned women git em back in the kitchen | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) Junior Member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.82.29 |
Funny you ladies should ask Dave if he has been convicted of a crime against a woman. While he will say he hasn't been convicted, he won't tell you that he is not allowed anywhere near his 2nd ex wife, or the whole town for that matter. Sounds like a restraining order to me, but he denies that too. And you should see the way he treats women here on FACTNet. Here is a very small sampling of how he treats women who disagree with him... Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 12:26 pm: “TO: parroting "Mc_dee_dee" Boy you sound more and more like the "Big mouth know it all prejudice show off" Judge Judy every day. Where in my post, you parroting (repeat mindlessly) twit did I ever say…” Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 6:16 pm: “…some big shot witch the wife of a lawyer, and another prominent business woman witch, and female insurance agent witch and female politician witch all in my community.” “I care about women, real women and those I try to protect, not whatever she is.” Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 8:01 pm: You, and that right-wing feminist call me sick and insane. Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 12:15 pm: “How does it feel to be a female who can't do simple arithmetic…” “Metaphorically you have become nothing more than a “brainwashed", mindless, corporate-pimp controlled common “bimbo” prostitute. Go look at yourself in a mirror and think about all the people your're going to be screwing and passing on this pyramid virus.” Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 9:03 am: “How do you sleep at night you disgusting feminist piece trash. You canabolize you own gender with underhanded vile fraudulent lies you “two faced. feminist scum”.” Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:20 am: “I have no sympathy for foul mouth ••••• like you…” (the red dots were the "s" word, which he uses alot) Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 3:36 pm: “And I have contempt for those ruthless feminest who run “women shelters.” Now the new Filters FACTNet have put in place will block out the worst of his crap I am sure, but if you go back through his 1500+ posts, you will see him for who he really is. Be careful of gatorDave. | ||
| munchkin (munchkin) Member Username: munchkin Post Number: 68 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 62.255.32.17 |
hi, voice thanks for the heads up. Careful girls  love becca | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1576 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now, the poster above “VOICE”, and his gang are probably the biggest liars on Factnet. They are operating an illegal pyramid fraud from Canada on the heels of another vicious pyramid fraud also started in Canada, “Women Empowering Women”, exposed on Oprah and Dateline, dubbed the fraud of the decade which saw ordinary decent women swindled out of millions of dollars. It split familie relationships, friendships and communities. A bride’s maid sued the bride etc. It was finally busted by the police. Do a google search of “WEW”. These are many of the very same people. Now, may I say in my defence, I am the last person who believes “women should be confined to a kitchen” or any other “stereotypical” job. However, only a narrow-mined idiot would believe ALL WOMEN ARE GOOD AND DO NOTHING WRONG.” I can assure you that the majority decent thinking reasonable women share that view. I just don’t think that truly abused women should have to share a courtroom and suspicion along side of women who lie about abuse. Surely that view is shared by decent women also. Now this “cherry picking” liar “VOICE” above will lead you down the garden path, continually pulling things out of context. I have never been accused of rape, never put on trial for rape, no suggestion I raped anyone. I simply appeared on the thread that is against this TTI pyramid fraud to tell my story. The fraud is promoted by the crook above. You be the judge.... Remember this “wolf in sheep’s clothing” is a man too. Very clever at “brainwashing” and leading women into situations and places they realize later they didn’t want to go. Now, as I said I was never accused of rape (nor attempted rape) never charged for rape, never put on trial for rape, never convicted of rape. But this “brainwashing” creep above, promising young people Financial Freedom in an illegal pyramid fraud scheme “whipped up” such a gossiping “feeding frenzy”that it culminated in vicious lying unwarranted attacks. He “used” these young people to divert attention and exposure from his defrauding scheme, a scheme defrauding, among others, young women. The frenzy he and the other male pyramid freaks whipped up, of course he would never copy and paste to this thread. Please remember, all I did here on this thread was post a link, for consideration, to an article written by a credible and I would say intelligent female reporter whom I’m sure worked extremely hard to get where she is today. On the TTI forum after months, this is what these sickos, one of the top ringleaders the creep “VOICE” above were able to whip up from many of their “distributors.” This from 21 year-old twin sisters. Of course he is not cutting that and pasting it here.. This frenzy was created after months of this creep “VOICE’s” disseminating rumours and lies, just as he is attempting here. Sunday may 29, 05.... Why do u wanna meet Shadow you rapist... you wanna rape him too or something??? Sick rapist!!!!!!!!!!! Go to jail where you belong you RAPER!!!!!!! Mon May 30 /05 Comfortable (aka MY SISTER) did get out of hand there and I know my words probably mean nothing to you Dave but I don't think of you of a rapist. I do believe you are a very intelligent man with his own view on TTI... there's nothing wrong with that. It's just too bad we're on different pages. ~*LoRie*~ LoRie. It does mean something to me. It means so very much to me. I have no problem accepting true apologies. I am only trying to help people in my country and elsewhere that are being really hurt and oppressed. I have seen so much of it you would not believe. I am so very sorry these people have gotten you into something I truly believe you really don’t understand and we will have to differ on TTI and pyramids unless I can persuade you otherwise. with respect dave Mon. Amy 30 from Robyn her twin sister. alright, I owe you an apology David. Im sorry for saying such nonsense. I believe you, I dont think youre a rapist... I just said it because I knew it got under your skin. Again, Im sorry... if you hate me for it, or for being involved in TTI... or that line I said to Danbel, Im sorry. I dont want you to view me as a sl#t, a shrew, or twisted... if you actually got to know me I am a very nice individual who treats everyone with the respect that they deserve. I am the kind of person who goes the extra mile to make someone smile, its just how I was brought up. And these posts portray me as someone who Im not, and Im sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. Hopefully you can understand/relate..... and when it comes to TTI, I will admit I didnt trust it at first. I am young, and I dont have the kind of money to just "blow" for a stupid mlm company. I took a risk. But it paid off, and for that I am thankful for being introduced to such a business. Its just upsetting to hear such negativity towards something that has helped me in so many ways. This is me, and I am being as honest as I can. At times like this, I wish I lived in Mississauga (or whereever youre from), that way I can treat you out for a coffee and you get to know the real me. And my sister. Your entire view (on us) or maybe even the company would be different. And Im not just saying that... it would be a guarantee. Anyways, hopefully we can call it a truce, for we both have totally different views which I understand because you are more experienced with life then I. I know the pro-tti people will be like "what the f---!?!?!?!?!?!" but I am just expressing the real me. I didnt go to a Catholic school for nothing. I wasnt being myself on these posts, so again, if I hurt/offended you in any way.... Im sorry. My reply “COMFORTABLE” [Robyn] I read random psychology and philosophy and I was searching the web for the woman who said it. “No one is as bad as the worst thing they have ever done”. I hope that is true of all of us. Without trying to sound condescending, but because you are young and this is your first experience with pyramids, it is my observation that this is what it does to otherwise decent people. They say and do things they would never ordinarily do or say or even believe they would be capable of. They find themselves led by a bad element that is so smooth at “drawing them” in..... etc. etc........ I would love to have coffee with you. You remember “Angel in Hell”? She “buzzes” me every second day or so sometimes twice a day or more from Israel. She buzzed me while I was writing this just before she was off to school. The internet is great. You could make money. Why don’t you write a book on this experience in your life and the people you came in contact with? It’s a thought. Thanks “COMFORTABLE” or whatever your real name is. I will sleep better tonight feeling I know a little of the real you. With affection dave I sent Robyn an email this is her reply... I just have to say I read your whole email with a smile on my face (thats a first). Thanks so much.... I dont even know what to say hahaha. My name is Robyn. You have a way with words, its quite touching. Yes I remember Angel in Hell.... tell her I say hello. And thanks again!! You see this is part of the other side of the story. This anonymous sniping person “VOICE” is anonymous. That’s an important factor to consider. My name address telephone# email address is posted here on Factnet. I take responsibility for what I write. Now, after two years of operating this pyramid fraud, victims are starting to complain. Oct 10 /05 from “MELANIE” "TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people An excerpt of my reply..... "YOU WERE NOT STUPID. You were a trusting victim professionally manipulated, "brained washed" and scammed by very intelligent corrupt lawyers, accountants and professional scam artists. If you did not know, the great founder and President of TTI Alan Kippax has a criminal record of assault, weapons and drugs. End There are many victims now complaining of the thousands they have lost because of this creep “VOICE” and his vicious gang (a Chinese lady in Mississauga $10,000 afraid to speak out) You know, ladies this reminds me of the “old days” when men (including lawyers and judges) like the “VOICE” above and even the “brainwashed” women victims “blamed themselves” for being “stupid” or how they chose to dress” for being raped. Today in Ontario because a young woman proved she had the right to walk down the street topless like a man, it is now legal to do that in Ontario. Noone has the right to even suggest that is licence for sexual assault. A lawyer I once had in the seventies on a property deal said in so-called jest when in conversation I mentioned a violent rape of a university student...... “We always say if you’re going to be raped anyway you may as well lie back and enjoy it.” I have sense of humour, contrary to what one of these creeps posted the other day but, I found that extremely offensive and sick. These were the altitudes and how flippant rape was regarded by many.. It seems this title “Gatordave” is giving those who don’t know me the wrong impression. dave | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1578 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Hi again I posted this on the “Corporations acting like cults” Anti-TTI thread last Monday November 07 Would you ladies please read this and give me your honest opinion of this particular woman bearing in mind there is also a man equally culpable who may have lead her, or she him, into this scam, who knows? http://www.newsnet5.com/money/5270341/detail.html dave | ||
| angietangerine (angietangerine) Intermediate Member Username: angietangerine Post Number: 144 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 130.18.149.108 |
gatordave: were you ever in the navy, in jacksonville? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1581 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
No. I'm from Canada. Why do ask? dave | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 392 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.80.154.3 |
dave i enjoyed reading both posts while i'm resting in my hotel room after a medical conference-i'll give you the benefit of the doubt-I think there still a lot of confusion between the sexes at times- and I'm sorry about teasing you about your reading skills -i have however been known to say worse-dave i had to work extra hard because i'm a woman to get where i am today-i didn't get any handouts or screw my way to the top-we all deserve an equal share of the pie weather it be in war,medicine,law or homemaking take care-rachel | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1583 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
That's what the Feminist Movement was all about. A fair shake. But, this horrible pyramid fraud Treasure Traders International that is taking families for millions of dollars all over Canada and the U.K., these crooks intend to bring to the U.S. So far our government is "dragging it's feet" on the investigation and refuses to even warn kids in highschool, college and university. Even thought the last "big" one did so much damage. I am just trying to get the word out. dave We also try to get the wrongly convicted out of jail. If you have not heard about the bizarre case of Clarence Elkins and are interested he has been in jail in Ohio for six years on a life sentence. DNA proves he's innocent but they have refused to release him. It was on A&E's American Justice. The family and supporters are so justifiably frustrated. dave www.freeclarence.com | ||
| angietangerine (angietangerine) Intermediate Member Username: angietangerine Post Number: 147 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 130.18.149.108 |
just a long shot, i knew of someone with the same handle a long time ago. | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) Junior Member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 31 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.57.11 |
Nice “Bait & Switch” Dave. You put up a topic, people call you on it, then you post a very long, boring post that has nothing to do with the topic. That is your M.O. Did you ladies notice that Dave never answered any of the questions about how he treats women, or why he has a restraining order against him from his ex wife? Somehow the topic switched from “feminist brainwashing” to pyramid frauds. Now Dave, if these readers want to see your lies about Treasure Traders International, and how it is a perfectly legal MLM company, they can come and see a year and a half of your outrages lies, and vulgar comments on the TTI thread. No need to start it in here. I know you are desperately looking for more people to believe your lies, but stick to topic in the thread. Also ladies, Dave tries to justify his use of “sl#t:”, “•••••”, “prostitute”, “witch” and so on by saying that the women called him names first. He accuses me of calling him a rapist, or suggesting it, which I never once did. As a matter of fact, when he asked for my opinion on that particular incident, I defended him. I do think he mentally and verbally abuses women, and he has never denied that. But that is not the point. The point is, look at the date of the posts. Dave was calling these 2 particular ladies these horrendous names, BEFORE, they got upset enough to call him names back. Then, they had the backbone to apologize for it. Dave has never apologized for any of the names he has called women on FACTNet. Again, Dave brought up this topic. Dave has a problem with women thinking for themselves. His track record of ex-wives, and restraining orders proves who he really is. The way he speaks directly to, and about women is absolutely disgusting. He stated in his above post he only respects “decent women”. Read through his web page, or the TTI thread if you want to try and figure out his definition of a “decent woman”. And be very careful about feeling sorry about this chauvinistic pig. Next he will start asking you to send him money to fight corruption and frauds, when in reality he needs the money to cover his own legal costs of trying to exonerate himself from his crimes against women. | ||
| munchkin (munchkin) Intermediate Member Username: munchkin Post Number: 103 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 62.255.32.17 |
on that note, and this is nothign about gator dave,so please no offense this is not about Gatordave. but if someone asks you for monetry donations over the internet, always say NO. this is for your protection. love becca (Message edited by munchkin on November 11, 2005) | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 422 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.80.154.3 |
dave you dirty dog-your confusing me- get back on here and exonerate yourself-this is great dialog and i could read for hours by the way do you still clean toilets in the trailer park? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1590 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Hi “munchkin” I will address the money issue because you mentioned it, not “VOICE”. I don’t intend to answer any of his tricky tripe. But feel free to ask me anything, even to clarify the crap he brings here and any of you who wish to talk about anything. I signed up as a distributor for TTI. I was in early. I had no ties I could have travelled in this opportunity. The way I can sell I could have made easily $250,000. To do that there would have been over 200 victims plus those they signed up. It would have been far easier to do that quietly than to come here at put up with abuse. Several years ago I was one of the top salespersons for a telemarketing company selling tickets (sponsorship) for handicap children to see varieties shows. I was making $600 to $800 per week in 1985. My next step was $2500 to $3000 per week. Then I found out it was a scam. There were no buses, no handicapped kids. With my face obscured I went on CTV “W5” (like the American 20/20). I was roughed up over that. I quit and got three jobs at minimum wage with my education. I hate scams and frauds. Particularly stealing from seniors. Now I have been rendered impecunious through the previous fraud of “WEW” and thrown into jail on false charges. Then I find out this TTI is the same pyramid structured with most of the same people and a serious illegal threat to families and communities and now into highschools, colleges and universities and still defrauding seniors, ethnic groups, the financially unsophisticated and financially desperate. This is a huge issue involving billions and a whole illegal system in Canada covered up by corrupt authorities in it. That’s the kind of money I could have made working with slippery slimly “VOICE” instead I chose to warn people. I just didn’t realize the power behind the fraudulent system. I didn’t think this what would happen to me. It has cost me over $100,000 to defend myself on false charges and fight these crooks. I was given a donation to set up a non profitable organization to try to organize victims of this fraud to “shut them down.” Now we have the organization, I am trying to raise money to print pamphlets to hand out at highschools and universities. Over 57,000 victims in Toronto alone have been taken for over $80,000,000. It gone to the U.K. and they claim into the U.S. soon, just like “WEW” scam. It is unconscionable. These victims could sue if they would speak out and organize. That’s my mission. I am not trying to scam anyone. I could have made a fortune if I kept my mouth shut and went along with “VOICE” and his pyramid fraud artists. You right “munchkin” you should not really give money over the internet unless you really, really know what you giving to. We hope to get credibility by exposing the scam artists and the most recent scams the police in Canada refuse to warn people about. Check this Australia. Government link. They warn their citizens. http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/ConsumerProtection/scamnet/default.html. Departure Central is top on the list of frauds. Like TTI it too is ripping off millions of people. Departure Central opened Dec 04 /04. in Mississauga Ontario. Mississauga Canada is one of the centres for organized crime and telemarketing schemes. The meeting was actually guarded by 2 fully armed police officers. Cops in Canada are in these schemes directly or through family ties. Check the actual website www.departurecentral.com . And Treasure Traders International www.ttico.com PIPS scam was closed down in September when people in the small town of 6000 in Kerr Ireland and a small town in Alaska wrote letters to the Malaysian Government. The couple were arrested, jailed in Malaysia now waiting trial. This can be done by civilians when the authorities refuse to take action.. That’s what we are trying to do with TTI. They are unconscionable scammers. dave Hi “rachelengland” Nope, I'm not at the trailer park anymore. And the confusion wasn't intentional. Sometimes I forget people aren't mind readers and don’t know me. And sometimes I use the wrong words. You notice this anonymous “VOICE” is on a tirade. Remember we don’t know what he is, but he is slippery. He could be lawyer, a cop gone bad, a politician with something to hide or a vested interest in perpetuating a huge fraud, or the very president of the pyramid fraud company Alan Kippax, TTI himself. One thing he is for sure, is a gossip and spreads false information. He can twist facts and law with the skill of a lawyer. In short he’s not very nice. And he’s afraid the real truth is going to be seen. Also I have a grade ten technical education and was never very good at writing. I had a very limited vocabulary and my estranged wife who is a well educated former nurse helped me with words and spelling. (Now, without being sexist with these comments, women are generally better at language, words, and spelling etc. anyway) But if it were not for the computer, the spell checker and the thesauruses I would be at a total loss. I have learned many words since these vicious attackers went at me when I tried to tell a simple story over a year ago that began unnerving people in positions of power in my country. Actually I didn’t realize the rat’s nest of corruption I had uncovered and gotten myself sucked into and the unbelievable number of people in positions of power who’s corrupt chains and skeletons I was rattling. If I would have had even a modicum of information on these “higher ups”; the upper echelon, I would not be in this mess today. (See, words I picked up sparing with the pros over on the TTI thread) As you can well see, all I did here was post a link to a story to perhaps debate if women should have or really want the power suggested in that article. Especially if a couple have a simple argument and the woman really has no power as to whether her husband goes to jail or not. (I spelled whether wether. It didn’t look right but there was no red line indicting it was spelled wrong (incorrectly). So I looked it up. Wether is a castrated ram. I learned another word!! That’s what I’m up against. My handicap.) Now before I could reply to your posts, in butts “VOICE” with a lot of “out of context” nonsense already smearing me. Much of it outright lies he spreading, others are twisted facts, and some have only a small element (a modicum) of truth exaggerated beyond recognition. Notice how “VOICE” accuses me of bringing in all this extraneous material. He brought it all over from the TTI thread and started pasting, to put me on the defensive. Then if I don’t explain myself he accuses me of not answering. If I were to explain all the lies and twisted truth he posted, he would then accuse me of trying to force my stories on everyone. You see Ann Landers (I think), said ...... “a lie is easy. It’s the truth that takes a lot of explaining.” Or maybe it was Ann who said “A lie is around the block before the truth can get its shoes on.” But anyway I think you know what I mean. I’ll answer your questions, even questions about anything he posts if your interested. But I’m not going to fight with him on this thread and subject people to stuff they may not be interested in. We are doing enough of that on the TTI thread. I can suggest topics and you can ask me about them. I just don’t need to be continually accused by this “not very nice person” calling himself the “VOICE_OF_REASON” lol. Now I don’t know how much you want me to go on with this exoneration but I appreciate the fact you would be interested at all or in even asking or giving me a chance to explain instead of just attacking me, which I couldn’t blame any of you for after my “bad” start and what “VOICE” brought over here. There is a reasonable logical explanation for everything. But the truth is bizarre and difficult to believe. What you have to bear in mind is that many times the truth really is stranger than fiction. And many things are not as they appear at first glance. These are facts now been proven and backed up by court exhibits, records, sworn testimony, and private investigation. The fact is there was No Court Order as police falsely accused me of breaking when they used it as an excuse to arrest me March 19, 2003 and on a charge of “Criminal Harassment” they also refused to specify. I asked... what criminal harassment? What am I alleged to have done? Hit some one? Threaten someone? What. They refused to tell me. They held me in me in jail then lies were made up afterward to justify the arrest. I wasn’t given literally 2 min. to explain. I came to the detachment and asked “why were the police at my home this afternoon.” That was 11:44p.m. at 11:45 police threw me in the cell. That is in police reports. My wife had not asked for me to be arrested that night either. This was exactly one month after Oprah aired this huge fraud that started in Toronto Canada and spread throughout the world. People in Englad think is came from the U.S. (archives Feb 19 /03 Oprah’s website). Had I seen that program I would have had the knowledge to avoid arrest. Instead on March 10th nine days before I was arrested, I phoned the prosecutor’s office informing him that I had discovered this fraud, an illegal wire tap on my phone, and I had been assaulted, and threatened. I didn’t know he already knew about the fraud and was covering up for prominent people including police officer’s relatives and politicians and other people in “high” places. Records show that rather than deal with my complaints he sent an email to the police in my small town telling them to “keep detail notes on ME.” They started compiling a huge file of false and misleading information setting up evidence and photographs accusing me of false criminal acts. The following malicious prosecution was in retaliation for my inadvertent exposure of the huge pyramid fraud of “the decade,” “Women Empowering Women” and in no wise aimed at securing compliance with any law. And now they are really out to get me. And that's the truth. dave | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) Junior Member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.65.48 |
blah b;ah blah blah blah blah You still treat women like crap, and you are still trying to justify it. Calling women "sl#ts", "b]tch", "bimbo prostitute", "feminist piece of trash", and "witch", because they don't accept your views is WRONG. You can't justify talking that way to people you sick individual. The authorities didn't prevent you from going near your ex-wife, or the whole town for nothing Dave. You are a threat to more than just her. You can post your lies a thousand more times in here Dave, but one thing won't change: You can't stand anybody who disagrees with you, especially if its a woman. Its as obvious as the names you call them. Its as obvious as the fact that you have never apologized for the language you have used towards them. People like you deserve to be locked up, with the key thrown away. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1593 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
“WOW” this guy “VOICE” was up early rabbiting on in a real tirade this morning. This “BS_VOICE_OF_TREASON” as he is “affectionately” known on the TTI thread, remember, is anonymous. Could be a corrupt lawyer, a cop “gone bad” or the president of the “brainwashing” pyramid fraud, a clone of “Women Empowering Women”...... Treasure Traders International Mr. TTI himself Alan Kippax with the real criminal record of drugs,(for whom”) weapons (for what?) And assault (upon whom?). I have been investigating this company for over a year and their ties to organized crime. Their pyramid is collapsing all over Canada and the U.K. Innocent women, seniors, students young as 16, immigrants, ethnic communities and the financially desperate are being taken for thousands individually and millions collectively by the unscrupulous greed of this “snake oil” salesmen and his band of crooks and thieves. That is why the company is posted on the “Corporations acting like cults” thread. He has no concern for women and women rights. He “brainwashes” them, and uses them for his own monetary gain. The Vancouver twins for example, taking money from their family members and giving these crooks over 30% for nothing. I didn’t want to get into this on this thread but he just can’t keep his big gossiping nose, lies and twisted truth out of wherever I go. His motivation is to destroy me to divert attention from his multi-million dollar “cult like” pyramid fraud ripping off among others ethnic communities.. See for yourself, readers. http://www.cbc.ca/ottawa/story/ot_emeralds20040512.html . Read the part where the reporter says of the ‘whistleblower’ .......“who has asked his real name not be used for fear of repercussions, said he's concerned about his community's involvement.” Repercussions, readers like what you observe against me here. False allegations of rape and the rest. They have cleverly found that because allegations against men by women are seldom questioned the system can be used to destroy any man in any circumstance. If they want to get a woman who complains because she or her daughter were defrauded they simple sign a statement “she threatened me.”and the woman goes to jail. This character has no respect for women. This is what I am compiling and exposing. These crooks are working with cops and corrupt officials. They are now under investigation by the RCMP but these “top cops” are dragging their feet, and that should also raise questions. One of the real problems is unlike Australia and Bermuda. where authorities are warning citizens ahead of these frauds, the police in Canada refuse to warn victims, even highschool kids about these specific frauds. This gives these crooks “licence” by power and lack of enforcement to operate their scams frauds, threaten, and destroy their distractors. The police and the media will not let anyone know TTI and President Alan Kippax are under police investigation. And except for “slips” by the frontline “phone jockeys” at the impotent “Phone Busters” (who only take information but not supposed to give any), citizen’s will get no information about these “white collar” criminals. However, in my persistence to have this company investigated and pressure I put upon my Member of Parliament I received a conformation by email, perhaps inadvertently, that indeed Alan Kippax and this pyramid fraud are under investigation by the RCMP. Now, because police and others of power are involved with this company and these criminals authorities are raking in 100's of thousands individually and still no information given to the public, we have started an organization to counter and expose these frauds called “Crime Busters NOW” the emphasis on NOW. What good is it after you been ripped off and crooks have fled the country, to be informed that there “was” an illegal scam that took your money? In the meantime they will have started another pyramid and the ridiculous vicious cycle is repeated. That’s why I am so dangerous to these corrupt lawyers, cops and unconscionable crooks like the “BS_VOICE_OF_TREASON.” Not only can I see through there “smoke and mirrors” I’m willing to suffer their reprisals if need be to inform the public so they will not also become victims of these horrible frauds that disrupt families and communities destroying or seriously harming friendships, relationships, and marriages. Again this character the anonymous “BS_VOICE_OF_TREASON”has no feelings about the women, children, widows etc., he’s ripping off, women’s rights or anything else. He just does not want anyone interfering with his scam. And that’s the truth. dave p.s. I never called any women a sl#t for disagreeing with me. That was for calling me a RAPIST and accusing a young French Canadian, (because he complained of himself and others being ripped off by the TTI company of thousands of dollars) of being a pervert trying to get in bed with two rich English “Chicks”. These kind of retaliatory false rumours can destroy a man, or least strike fear in his heart, or his wife and family causing him to “back off” on any complaint or injustice, which this anonymous sicko “BS_VOICE” exploits to his advantage as he does everting else. "BS_VOICE" then finishes off his tirade..... "people like you deserve to be locked up, with the key thrown away." Tsk, Tsk, now how do you suppose readers, they plan on doing that again? Get their friendly police being paid off in their pyramid schemes to coerce another woman or her boyfriend to again lie and this time accuse me of actual rape instead of just threatening rape. This readers is what these pyramid freaks do. And that is what I am going to widely expose unless they get me first!!! And that, it must now be clear to readers is what they intend to do. This hypocrite’s feigned sense of justice seems to be let a woman call a man a rapist, a pig a pervert, wanting to climb in bed with her and when he retaliates against these unjust accusations destroying his life and calls her a sl#t, even if SHE apologises, throw HIM in jail anyway, unbelievably for LIFE. ("throw the key away") is what he said. The whole incident was none of his gossipping business, only to the extent he was the instigator using these kids. Again what a manipulating sicko. (Message edited by gatordave on November 14, 2005) | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 436 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 |
dave...breath deeply... | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1595 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
That's basically what it's all about. These guys are dangerous. dave | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) Junior Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.93.80.99 |
Ok Dave...all blustering aside. I don't want to be accused of gossiping, so a simple question. Are you or are you not allowed within the town of Kincardine ?. You don't strike me as the type to walk away from a good fight, packing your bags and leaving town in the face of adversity. So I simply ask why you did, if not a requirement by law? Thanks | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1597 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Like I said situations are not always as they seem on the surface, especially when false rumours are spread. First of all, why do you feel that’s any of your business? But secondly, if you’re sincerly interested in the truth for the sake of the truth and how all this came about, and how I got “railroaded” that’s different, and I appreciate that. The answer to the question is yes, I am allowed to live in the town of Kincardine. I have not been excluded. There is no Court Order baring me from my town. I was not found guilty of threatening to rape my wife, the allegations were false. The evidence was so powerful particularly from the decent female police officer and her partner that in the end it was not even considered. Also, I did not pack my bags and leave town. I was destroyed financially by false charges. And because I trusted people they now have everything I am entitled to. My home, my tools, my equity, my share of the business, everything I built for over twenty years. That is the unbalanced system of prejudice in the courts against men, which has not been widely publicised but is slowly "comming out" and being recognized as you will find from people who have gone through the system or witnessed someone who has. If I would have known, or the lawyer who sold me out, would have told me that if any woman points her finger at a man and says he assaulted me, threatened me, threatened to rape me, raped me two months ago whatever, without any proof the police will pick him up and jail him. It is as simple as that. If a woman gets involved with another man, and her husband doesn’t suspect, and they decide to destroy the husband and get everything instead of sharing the assets, all she has to do is go into the bedroom while he’s quietly watching t.v. and phone 911 and tell them she was assaulted or threatened. The police will charge in and grab the man and he’s off to jail and in many cases yelling and protesting and struggling from the trauma shock, which only bolsters their already prejudice mind that he is violent. And police many times lie about a Warrant or a Court Order and put you straight in jail and simply ignore any evidence or alibi you have. If they find their case is weak they will then come back to the scene and “trump up” and deliberately exaggerate evidence, and lie and get people on your wife’s side to lie, exaggerate and vilify you. They will refuse to talk to your witnesses or look at any evidence you have that discredits her boyfriend or any of the witnesses that gave statements against you. You’re are a man yourself. This can happen to you tomorrow if you do anything at all to aggravate the “wrong woman.” She doesn’t even have to know you. If she doesn’t like your looks, if she doesn’t like your views, if she can profit in anyway, by your destruction, or offered a benefit, or do it for a friend, or just do it for “fun,” even if she drunk or high on drugs and her judgment is impaired, she can put you in jail with allegations without a shred of evidence. Just her word. Image your power if you could have anyone put in jail for a criminal offence solely on your word, nothing else. That’s what the organization at www.canadacourtwatch.com is informing the public about, especially men and also children who are getting much the same treatment from the CAS. They are compiling cases and evidence about it. You will notice in the post by the “angietangerine” Nov 09 on “Family Relationships” forum, she recognizes the absolute bias of the courts. She wrote... “hi gatordave: friends, sure. i have nown of people who were accused of crimes against women and were sent to jail. all because the woman said so. I also know this has happened in the past and it is totally criminal and the courts are biased. it is changing. my husband got custody of his son because his wife was a drug user. he got child support and that is great. it doesnt always work that way. the article was very disturbing. i know of the extreme feminist and they have ruined some of the real chances we had to become EQUAL UNDER THE LAW. see you.” And that’s the simple truth. And that’s what I sincerely hope you're interested in. Remember, this can happen to any man even you. dave And the part about a good fight. I don’t like fighting at all. I like to work around my own house and do my hobbies, but I have been put on the defensive “up against the wall” if you will or in a cage “being poked by sharp sticks.” | ||
| artwise_one Member Username: artwise_one Post Number: 76 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 64.136.49.226 |
Name of thread: 'Feminist brainwashing & dogma destroying decent women, families and men'. What a feminist was considered to be years ago does not apply to today's man hating radical victim feminist. Most modren day feminist are of the 'extreme' type. "For too long, the issue of abuse has been viewed through the lens of radical feminist theory which sees battering as an instrument and an expression of patriarchal "power and control." However, this approach not only ignores "unconventional" victims—men abused by women, men and women abused in same-sex relationships—but distorts our understanding of male violence against women and thus makes it harder to find effective solutions." "Suppose some conservative group tried to pass guidelines mandating that domestic violence programs subscribe to the belief that the cause of all abuse is godlessness. Most of us would see this as an outrageous imposition of religious dogma on public policy. Yet a lot of domestic violence programs today are based on the ideological dogma of patriarchy as the devil more than on fact or science." The political money has translated into a stranglehold on the Democratic Party and sycophantic cheerleading for radical feminist politicians such as Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton & their clones. "The bad news is that the Feminist Movement never realized that the mission has been accomplished. The women who want to become professionals--or do anything for that matter--can do it--including becoming wives and mothers if they choose. The war is won, but the Feminist Movement continues to battle (& rattle) on, oblivious to that fact."  | ||
| joiseygirl New member Username: joiseygirl Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 70.237.91.65 |
Does this man hate women that much? | ||
| prschuster Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 415 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.148.65 |
I can't comment on the legislation proposed in the article that was refered to because I got an obviously partisan interpretation of it. But I'll just say that there are extremists in every progressive movement. If someone is too extreme, then critique specifically what they are doing, and don't try to paint the whole movement that way. First of all, has the feminist movement finally accomplished all their goals? They have made great strides toward economic parity with men, and they are doing well in the education system. But there are a few areas where women are losing ground. For one thing, the commercialization of the "sexual revolution" has brought the sexual objectification of women to a new low. Now we have a new improved "bimbo" (pardon the expression) image in Jessica Simpson that is more superficial, and lacks the warm humor of a Marilyn Monroe. It's ironic, but the advances in education & economic opportunities have been offset with an ever increasing demand for women to look hot, and for middle aged women to look like they're still 19. I don't know the statistics, but I'm sure the rate of violent assault & rape have increased as well. So women have lost ground with respect to safety on the street. I think women are safer these days in the workplace mainly because of anti-harassment legislation, so there have been advances for women there. So, what I am saying, is that there still seems to be some issues for feminists to tackle, but they're a little different than the ones they had to deal with 20, 30 or 40 years ago. As for claims of extremism, I'd say that the heyday for feminist extremism was in the early 70s (remember Jill Johnson & Mary Daley?). So, if someone thinks a certain policy is too extreme, why not state specifically what it is and explain how it can be modified to be more fair, instead of going on this all out anti-feminist diatribe? | ||
| artwise_one Intermediate Member Username: artwise_one Post Number: 200 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 63.249.98.53 |
I do not 'hate women'. This is a typical ploy. I like women just fine. It's radical Feminist that I don't like. All women are Not feminist, in fact most aren't. Also, not all radical feminist are women. * | ||
| prschuster Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 416 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.152.37 |
You qualify your statement, artwise, by refering to radical feminists. That's an important distinction. I've known a few women who say they are not feminists, yet they actually accept the things that moderate feminists have pushed for over the past 40 years. What they're really trying to say is that they don't go for the man hating attitude they see in these extremists. This is a touchy point because it's easy to be misunderstood when I say that I'm for most of the changes feminists have struggled for, but I'm sick & tired of those extremists who use equal rights language to justify the burning resentment they have from all their bad experiences with men. I know that other men can understand it when I say that I've been called all kinds of names by women who are still hurting from what some other guy had done to them. I think that resentment can cause them to push for vindictive legislation under the guise of equal rights. This clouds the fact that there are still legitimate feminist issues. For example, I see a lot of women wearing two hats where they used to wear one. Now they have jobs & carreers outside the home, but then come home to do most of the domestic chores. There should be more parity there. But, OTOH, I see a lot of vindictive women wanting to pass draconian laws against sex offenders, almost equating them with murderers. It's the same kind of over reaction I see with the war on drugs or with MADD lowering the BAC limit to .08. It's the extremists who base all their judgements on resentment that messes up the work of true progressives. I hope I'm being clear about making this distinction. | ||
| we_agnostics Intermediate Member Username: we_agnostics Post Number: 314 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.227.171.72 |
The 'Dry-namic Duo', Ax-man and Parrot-boy, make their appearance to save mankind from the 'fairer sex. I always wondered about Batman and Robin...... I am starting to have my suspicions about these two, as well. Ladies, your comments are welcome! Cult-woman, where are you?!?!  P.s. ~ Keep in mind, ladies, that these two have no life outside of FACTNet, so sit back and prepare to be entertained! There are axes to grind everywhere, from 12-step groups to atheism and evolution, and now these two weak-minded individuals are going after what they perceive as "feminist brainwashing". Any wonder they can't get a date? It's Friday, and they are at their computers on FACTNet! Whew! Makes ya wonder, doesn't it, girls? I guess there are those women who are attracted to serial killers, mass murderers, etc. And, anyway, I don't think 'nice girls' frequent this neighborhood, FACTNet! ("What's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?" Enjoy your weekend, boys!  | ||
| prschuster Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 418 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.146.73 |
So you really are a troll after all. | ||
| we_agnostics Intermediate Member Username: we_agnostics Post Number: 316 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.227.171.72 |
Mmmmm, mmmm. mmmm! And what a casa nova you are, my friend! Look at it this way, pr: At least you can say you have a friend, unlike your current partner (u-know-who that is, right?) Troll, schmoll......the words roll off me like water off a duck's back (your opinion of me is none of my business, LOL!)! Have a great weekend! Hope you don't spend it alone (again!). | ||
| prschuster Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 420 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.145.42 |
So let me make a further distinction between anti-male hate organizations and feminist equal rights organizations. NOW (National Organization for Women) is a good example of an equal rights organization which has done much to advance women's rights in America. Their pro-choice position is especially important to support at this time of right wing back lash. The authors & books that I consider extremist man-hating diatribes are: * Lesbian Nation, by Jill Johnson - she asserts that all women are really lesbians whether or not they know it, and that being heterosexual is sleeping with the enemy. * SCUM Manifesto, by Valerie Solanas - she actually acted out her fantasies about killing men when she shot Andy Worhol. * Mary Daly - wouldn't allow men to sit in her advanced classes on feminism, and advocated research on parthenogenesis so there could be a world without men. * Andrea Dworkin - made an unholy alliance with the religious right to abolish pornography. I have read several more rational feminist books by authors like Betty Friedan, Gloria Stienhem, Shulamith Firestone & Kate Millet which addressed the issues without all the hate talk. I would consider one of the major criteria for political cults is the obsession with demonizing another group of people, whether it be by race, nationality or gender. I think my list of extremists in the women's movement fits that description, while most feminists do NOT fit this criterion. BTW, we_ag, I know you're not stupid, so why don't you voice an opinion on the subject at hand, instead of engaging in personal attacks? | ||
| we_agnostics Intermediate Member Username: we_agnostics Post Number: 317 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.227.171.72 |
Okay, pr! After reading all your various posts, you seem to be against just about everything! Just once, I'd like to hear something positive from you, without including yourself! What are you for rather than against? Should give you something to think about this weekend! The world is not out to 'getcha', pr! There will always be people who are disagreeable. The world goes on! Right will always triumph over wrong. It does not need you to set it right! Ditch the 'God Complex', and get out and LIVE!!! | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1745 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
I started this thread by posting that article to show specially that extreme feminists want extreme unfair laws allowing them to jail men on just their word and be given all legal means to pursue them with men being disallowed a even a subsidized defense. I have always been for the protection of women having sisters violently beaten up, one almost deafened by drinking husbands that started out social happy occasional drinkers and ended up hopeless brutal alcoholics. I don't drink, (a dozen a year) don't smoke, nor have I ever done illicit drugs. None of my sister’s brutal husbands were ever jailed for assault. I have never hit my wife. She also was continually beaten up, black and blue, and her cloths torn by her former husband. He was a doctor, a surgeon using both prescription and illicit drugs, and alcohol. In the end I got what he deserved because I was an easy target. At 62 I was jailed on false allegations and beaten up by jail guards. There was absolutely no evidence of assault. Not a scratch, not a mark. My wife did not even accuse me of any assault or threatening. After 23 years we had a difference of opinion on moral grounds and she wanted a separation. I didn't know what had been going on behind my back with her feminist friends. She and they then wanted our spa, the business we build up together over 20 years without sharing anything. So, her friends at the women's shelter in our small town of 6000, cops and the rest of her divorced wealthy friends and dirty lawyer filled her in on how the laws and dirty system works. You can simply make up lies and have your husband immediately jailed and removed from the premises and the whole community. And the chances of ever being charged for perjury even if you are found lying and he is actually acquitted are extremely remote. You will not be charged for any dirty trick you and friends pull even those of a new boyfriend. We have cases here, where for example, a woman started beating on her sleeping husband. He was arrested even though his wife was telling the police she was the one hitting him. These reactionary jerks are just out to destroy families and flex their muscle and also because they fear a backlash if there is a domestic complaint and they don't arrest a man. Honest police will even admit that. Have you ever been up close and watched the police arrested a man and the shear enjoyment most of them get out of it. Read the Stanford Experiment for the natural psychology behind brutality when given positions of power over another. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1746 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
I am a victim of false allegations that needed no proof, and proof to the contrary, stating "there was no assault, no threat, no words exchanged I am not afraid of my husband he has never assaulted me, never been violent to date" actually written in police reports was deliberately suppressed. My wife didn't do any of it until she met up with vicious men-hating extreme feminists, a dirty money grubbing lawyer and his wife and dirty Ontario Provincial Police. These are not representative of the decent reasonable women I know who only want fairness and equality. They coerced my wife to change her story and the police and dirty prosecutors kept the previous evidence contained in police files from the court and presented lies contradicting those reports. I could not believe this was even possible in our society. And that is what I am trying to tell decent men and decent women. gatordave..... now an activist for the justice I believed did exist but found the hard way doesn't. Knowing what I know now I could have adequately protected myself and never been in the mess I'm in today. Mothers out there if you have a son that you love, love him enough to educate him and do some research on the net and don't just dismiss all this that I am trying to tell you as, "never happened". It happened, and it is happening every day. And the excuse that women have been badly abused is no reason to ignore, dismiss out of hand, and discredit, harass and destroy every man a woman accuses without even considering hard evidence, and material facts to the contrary. crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 we return calls toll free in North America and 22 countries. | ||
| prschuster Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 425 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.152.46 |
Gatordave, what you said gave me pause. I haven't had that kind of experience, but if this is as common as you say it is, the legal system has gone awry. I have no more comments to add to the conversation. I'll just watch what others post about this. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1749 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
That’s what has happened. The legal system has gone awry. I might also mention that although rare, a few women have had the same experience. A woman in Kitchener (white) whose husband was a former South African Police Officer was driven to near suicide with trumped up charges and the destruction of her credibility until a woman lawyer stepped forward and sued the authorities for violation of her rights under the Canadian Charter. Our family courts are a mess. And the criminal courts dealing with domestic violence are abominable. Some, but little is being written about it. But the cases of Jamie Nelson unjustly convicted, and John Hudak (an RCMP officer unjustly prosecuted) rather than just exceptions, instead graphically illustrate the situation and a growing systemic problem. dave | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1750 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
I might clarify that a lot is being written about it by organizations, professors etc., but little in comparison is reported in the mainline news media which is for the most part controlled by feminist dogma. Not that the actual horror stories about individual cases shown about abused women aren't true, but look at propaganda and violence "spun" as a result against men in general. I watched one program where women with baseball bats where smashing away at wooden horses pretending it was their, husbands or boyfriends with their small children beside them on the set cheered on by the host. "Doesn’t that make you feel better?” they are asked. My gosh can you imagine the outrage if men were seen doing that on T.V. pretending it was their wives, and girlfriends with their children beside them being indoctrinated? And as I previously pointed out, the commercials for the Roseanne show where one of the women says "she stabbed her husband 37 times" to which Roseanne replies "I admire her restraint." How long would that last without an uproar (and justified) from feminists if it was the other way around. Just listen to how it sounds. "He stabbed his wife 37 times." "I admire his restraint." | ||
| artwise_one Intermediate Member Username: artwise_one Post Number: 249 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 63.249.99.121 |
I like women just fine. Radical Feminism is a set of political ideas which constantly portrays women as the victims. It's just more victim-ology, and on top of that, women according to Radical Victim feminism are always victimized by men. I'm not apologizing for anything said about Radical Feminism, eventually people will make the distinction or they won't. PRS wrote - "touchy point because it's easy to be misunderstood when I say that I'm for most of the changes feminists have struggled for, but I'm sick & tired of those extremists who use equal rights language to justify the burning resentment they have from all their bad experiences with men." Radical Feminism is the idea that women are people but MEN ARE NOT! The other version of this little thread of dread, is on the - Families / Relationships / Motivational Programs / Boot Camps forum. I've said my peace about this topic. * | ||
| we_agnostics Intermediate Member Username: we_agnostics Post Number: 344 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.227.171.72 |
But do THEY like YOU?!?!?!? Perhaps the only kind you like are 'barefoot and pregnant', LOL! Yeah, I can tell: You're a real ladies' man! All of you! Down on everything. Negativity about everything! I have to remember, though, that even the most detestable human being has a 'best friend'. I would venture the conjecture that most people do not agree with your views on everything you comment on, hence I suspect your 'circle of friends' is on the minute side. By the way, art.....Is your homepage 'FACTNet'? Time to get a life.....and get layed! (How long has it been?)  | ||
| artwise_one Intermediate Member Username: artwise_one Post Number: 253 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 63.249.98.119 |
BTW, In case you havin't guessed, we_ag is a stalking TROLL and just hurls insults and personal attacks. * | ||
| artwise_one Intermediate Member Username: artwise_one Post Number: 254 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 63.249.98.119 |
BTW, In case you havin't guessed, we_ag is a stalking TROLL and just hurls insults and personal attacks. * | ||
| artwise_one Intermediate Member Username: artwise_one Post Number: 255 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 63.249.98.119 |
BTW, In case you haven’t guessed, we_ag is a stalking TROLL and just hurls insults and personal attacks. we_ag mostly stalks other forums. * |
