| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
I believe that there is a type of person who is very out of touch with their feelings that they are vulnerable to manipulation. There are many reasons for being out of touch,; organic pathology, a wrong turn psychologically, trauma, etc... but the cause is irrelevant to my point. There are of course, many people in the world who believe they have a legitimate reason for manipulating us (including you and me!) to include: advertizers, police, therapists,lovers etc...but the motive is irrelevant to my point. My point is that ANY organization (to include relationships) would be manipulative and/or harmful to a person whose internal guidence mechanisms are faulty. And here we are. Or are we? I guess there are a few elite groups and individuals who are capable enough to harm and manipulate normal, healthy people. I don't think I would get much argument if I used Scientology, or any any financial scammer. Beyond that there might be some argument. I think most people here are pointing at the symptom, rather than the cause of their problems. They aren't well, so they get manipulated. If it wasn't their current abuser, they would/will find another. The point is, it will continue until they get well somehow. Like...through therapy or something like that. What do you think? | ||
| BRW |
I think you make a good point, but "pointing to the sympton" is perhaps step one in the process for victims. Exposing a cult's inner workings and true goals is what plants the seeds of doubt in the victim's mind, and may lead to that person ultimately getting professional help. | ||
| listen_&_you_shall_hear |
victims... hrmm... cults... hrmm... the funny thing is no one seems to have a problem a religion pursuades someone to do a "good deed" but who is to say what defines a good deed?? one group will always say all the others are wrong... someone is always wrong. If youre wrong according to our universal ideas.. youre bad.. right?? but forced conformity is wrong also yeh? so... whats happening... were picking on the minority again. Are you crazy if you whorship a green crayon? you can touch a crayon and hold a crayon and smell a crayon and even DRAW with a crayon.. you can stick a crayon in your ear and hear it not making any noise. it's more than you can do with god... but they probably wont put you in the loony bin for believing in god. and thinking about god is a little more comforting than praying to a green crayon. Still who can say the crazy man in the corner sticking crayons in his ears is not doing a supurb act of goodness, who is to say that he is not our saviour? am i a raving lunatic... i know im raving... but am i a lunatic... | ||
| Anonymous (209.86.140.188) |
Did anyone notice that the word "therapist" is, when divided in sylables, "the-rapist." THE RAPIST, get it..... | ||
| Anonymous (209.240.205.61) |
I agree with the first poster on here. The cycle of abuse seems to never end...and finally you have to ask yourself, why...am I not well? It doesn't really matter if you are not well because someone made you that way, or if you are just not well. The effect is the same...suffering. And therapy may help some people, but lets face it...if you go to the dr. they are just going to stick you on drugs, thats what they do these days. So, its sad. You people who like to abuse and destroy other people...you should take note of the lives you stop in mid living...you should be ashamed. Things will all be evened out on judgement day. | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
factnet has become a place to ''cry for help'' but some people in the other threads like ggwo waste alot space ,it should be just facts or questions .. | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
very very interesting # 209 | ||
| Anonymous (209.240.205.61) |
Thank you 69. | ||
| ............. (81.154.59.62) |
I've noticed a lot of cult members who like to defend their "religions" and threaten people who have opposing views. They do not accept any pt of view apart from theirs is the right one, and this can be evidenced with obsessive Catholic-bashing, homophobia, etc. However some of the alleged victims of cults or "government mind control" are just as bad, and I have a strong suspicion that many of them are mentally ill or making things up. | ||
| Anonymous (209.179.168.30) |
(I started this thread) I agree with the Friday, July 23, 2004 - 02:00 pm post that its good to suspect the origin of these posts. You might also suspect that my post was a troll to get some flame responses. But it doesn't matter so much, if the concept is valid. As one scientologist pointed out, this board is "anti-everything." Well, it wouldn't be quite complete if we didn't suspect our own motives to some extent. There are some really weird people (notably on the "terrorist stalking" thread) who have no doubt they are correct and don't question their own mental state. 000 I appreciate BRW's post too. I suppose there will always be a niche for manipulative groups in almost every culture. (I suppose, since they appear in japan, africa, and america, that's pretty diverse). Wherever people use technology unethically it will happen. There are some bad people to blame, and they won't be blamed if the victims lose too much confidence in themselves. As to which viewpoint is more relevant, its good to get some kind of counseling if one is confused. | ||
| Anonymous (69.107.112.211) |
Oh, is THAT what you think it is, huh? Confusion? Look, people who are posting on this message board are most likely going through some sort of hell in their life, turning it "Upside down"! I can speak from experience. I am NOT imagining it, I am perfectly sane, not crazy, not mentally ill, etc... There is definitely something weird going on in my life and I have no idea why me? I am not going to even try and explain things, just open your mind a tad and check out this website. http://mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/part_3.html | ||
| Gina (64.160.165.123) |
I agree with the basic premise of the first poster here. I was raised in one cult, and have been surrounded by people in and out of cults all my life. After leaving the one I was raised in, personally I never joined another. Still, many loved ones in my life were / are cult members. Only recently, painfully, I've recognized that I've had something faulty with my inner guidance mechanisms (as the original poster writes) from being surrounded and raised by cultees. Yes, healing oneself internally is a solo process. a little therapy, a lot of reading, a little gardening... and hopefully the tincture of time. | ||
| Anonymous (209.179.168.30) |
I've been thinking about this. By using cult-identification checklists, you could construct a logical arguments against most organizations. There ARE pernicious organizations. I'm just saying is that there should be a better way of recognizing them than: 1) A logical method that justifies any accusation 2) A gut feeling That's why there should be a personal self-examination checklist to see if you are the type who sees cults in everything. Before blaming every organization you ever came in to contact with, take the litmus test for crackpots: Did you have major trouble with every organization you ever belonged to - Starting with family, through school, onward through your work life? If you had a good time with most of them, then you have some perspective which allows for a more credible accusation. If every single molecule fits into a grand conspiracy, well then... You might be Dale Gribble (He's a cartoon character on the TV show "King of the Hill"). In other words, you might be wrong about alot of things that bug you. You don't take responsibility for anything wrong and you attribute the wrong cause to your problems. Of course, you might, despite being a crackpot, be involved in an actual cult. More than likely -- troubled people are atracted to troubled relationships. They fit in no place else. What I'm suggesting is that they are in a conspiracy against themselves. How could it be? A simple case of conflicting goals is an example. For instance: "I want to be healthy, and I also want to try Heroin" No matter what you do, one of the goals is defeated. Another: I want to have self-esteem (A healthy ego) and I also want to join an organization which values selflessness and humility" Pure frustration, any way you go. Someone must be to blame! | ||
| Anonymous (66.81.155.217) |
Many people who are emotionally indulgent are immature are very "in touch" with their Feelings. These people are the very 1st to be vulnerable to cultic recruitment. These are people who tend to be inclined to "go for" or "buy into" any cult that looks like emotional blood-letting in the name of "personal growth". One thing that cults depend on is on good ad work, the "emotional appeal" is classic. You must remove yourself from that & look coldly for the "bait-&-switch" aspect that's being hidden from you. good luck- | ||
| Anonymous (209.179.168.50) |
Good Point. | ||
| Common Sense (209.214.1.77) |
@ Anonymous (69.107.112.211): Dude, you're clinging to a victim mentality to justify the symptoms of organic damage in your brain. It must be CIA mind control, since I'm perfectly sane, the Illuminati practice childrape satanic freemason sacrifice since I'm perfectly okay and I can't control the voices in my head....etcetera. I strongly urge you to go back on your meds, you are showing strong symptoms of schizophrenia, an organic disease. Medication can help you control it and improve the quality of your life. Please go see a doctor immediatly. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
I think that people who are active in anti cult actions, websites, message boards, etc, are people who are trying to figure out what's going on, who are tired of doing things just because they are told to do them. So they are trying to compare notes and figure things out for themselves. Some of them have been through rough times, some not. And all have different personalities. So you will get a mix of people and behavior traits. | ||
| gawain (gawain) New member Username: gawain Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.17.150.253 |
Self-esteem is not the contrary of "selflessness" & humility. Linguistically it may seem so, but good self-esteem is not the same thing as egoism, arrogance, or disregard for others. |
