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     truerae (truerae) New member Username: truerae Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 64.216.155.95 |
How do you intelligently convince an LDS (Mormon) of the evils of their church? Paid clergy even though the members are lied to about this! And also with knowledge of the atrocities of the actual mind-controlling, money-changers (controls businesses/money laundering throughout the world) of the LDS church. For example, Hinckley is named as one of the key supporters of the MK-ULtra CIA/LDS abusive mind control program being used covertly by the CIA as Hinkley served for years on the Board of Directors of Zions First National Bank (since 1968) and a full-time church employee since 1935. (Page 118-119 of "Trance Formation of America" www.tranceformation.com) Many CIA agents have confirmed the LDS leaders involvement in the scientific CIA mind-control to bring about the prophetic "Millennial Peace" through control. "Trust me I'll NEVER lead you astray" is part of the public relations propoganda as well as the flattering words of "All is Well in Zion" (Book of Mormon Nephi 2:28 prophetically warns about the Great and Abominable Church and the false prophet/apostles who will proclaim this of being "hypocrites and liars...the Anti-Christ, etc." as Hinckley proclaimed these very words in General Conference 1996) and "We are the ONLY true church!" Hinckley has probably never read the Book of Mormon as evident by his ignorance - his former missionary companion quit the church when he heard Hinckley was made an apostle - saying that he "would never trust that man." Unrighteous leaders of any church (all religions are based on men's interpretations of God's teachings) CAN lead the people astray. The LDS people have been brainwashed into believing the lie that "the prophet (profit$) will NEVER lead you astray." (1890 Manifesto Proclamation) The LDS church IS the most evil of any church on this earth because they have corrupted and altered the pure Ancient History of the Americas (the "other sheep" taught by the Savior after His Ascension from Jerusalem - these "other sheep" who knew of the Savior's birth prophetically have historically believed in the "Great White God") preserved for this day and divinely translated by Joseph Smith who then fell even as David & Solomon of old did. His repentance & heart is up to the Lord to judge -not us. Joseph Smith was warned in D&C 3:1-11 against "following his own will and CARNAL desires" (this scripture is NEVER talked about in the LDS church). The historical Book of Mormon (altered with the 2nd printing in 1837 changing the identity of God to plural Gods) clearly states that polygamy is an ABOMINATION unto the Lord AND states that polygamy is the REASON for the destruction of the Nephite people. No Mormon ever understands that as it's not taught over the pulpit. (Jacob 2:23-24 & Jacob 3) Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball were both 33rd degree Masons under the directions of Head British Mason Albert Pike (founder of the KuKluxKlan and worshipper of Lucifer, Royal Scottish Masonic Rites). Heber built a masonic lodge prior to infiltrating the LDS church and on page 11 of his autobiography states "before angels I swear that I have always been faithful to my masonic oath." Moses 5:29 shows that the first masonic satanic blood oath was given by Cain to Satan - a secret blood oath to "swear to never tell or suffer your life to be taken" (required LDS temple satanic blood oath - sign of the penalty of symbolically slitting throat, cutting open heart, disemboweling intestines taken out in 1990 but is still "implied" today along with oath of secrecy). Brigham Young argued with and then excommunicated William Smith (the Kirtland temple had NO Masonic rituals & women & blacks held the priesthood - see historical work of D. Michael Quinn) after the MASONIC murder of Joseph Smith over the Masonic satanic rituals put into the Nauvoo Temple which later burned to the ground. I can write much, much more. This research is also backed up by a profound NDE resulting in the knowledge that their is NO church in Heaven only truth that Jesus is God, the Eternal Father which knowledge will assist to unite the world in truth. Religions help people to focus on God which is good until the pure teachings of God are revealed. www.mormon.citymax.com | ||
| godchild (godchild) Member Username: godchild Post Number: 57 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.62.106 |
Thank you for your insight. Welcome to the boards from a Christian and ex-anti-mormon. | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) New member Username: steelsword Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
Trurae, maybe you should post this again on the thread "mormonism & freemasonry. Good post. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Member Username: godchild Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.234 |
ye gads. Now we know Emma Hale Smith and other women originally held the priesthood? A good question was asked on the site. Why are the LDS church archives now closed? What excuse have they given to members, let alone the public? The same way they refuse to give financial statements (which they used to do). I read one of the apostles statements where he said it was no longer necessary. Why are they above the law. The last time it was declared to the members, they declared only 7oo+ thousand dollars they spent on the needy and other programs like that. At the time they had over a billion dollars. Why don't the members care? They could be putting their money to good use as individuals and know for sure how it is being spent. What is the church saving all that money for? I watched the LDS church 'intro' of their movie on that site Trurae showed us too. They are still saying the "oringinal bom" and the "original book of commandments" are aPure prophetic record of the Americas". And that they are given by God to Joseph Smith as Umbellished and unauthored by man. They are still dishing out the same garbage. | ||
| truerae (truerae) New member Username: truerae Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 64.216.155.95 |
Thanks, We've also done a lot of research on ancient records that are (prophetically) coming forth at this time. For instance, the sometimes negatively labeled "gnostic" gospels were written at the SAME time as the early Christian writings as found in the Bible. Why weren't they included? Did you know that the Book of Esther wasn't added for hundreds of years - until one Rabbi broke the rules and proved that the Lord's name was imprinted in Hebrew every 4th character throughout the entire book? Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria in 367 C.E. ordered ALL early Christian records to be burned EXCEPT what he politically (not divinely) deemed to be "acceptable." Inspired Christian Egyptian monks hid up these precious writings about Christ that had been ordered to be burned near the hills of Nag Hammadi. These writings contained the spiritual teachings of Christ (warning Peter to NOT make any more rules than what he had given or else he would be bound by them) and honored women as important early Christian leaders (for example; Mary Magdalene). This was another instance of historical records being altered by politically driven, uninspired corrupt church leaders. Therefore, we have today a Bible that supresses women and an ALTERED Book of Mormon (another authentic ancient record of God) that supports the politcal ambitions of men who do not know God but love the money that comes from "saving" the people. Godchild; I don't think you understood that website. My husband had a profound NDE where he learned the corruption of the LDS church leaders (most members are ignorant, blindly obedient sheep) and that "there is NO church in Heaven only TRUTH that Jesus IS God, the Eternal Father" (which very few religions have actually understood only proclaiming to have the truth in exchange for money). That website does NOT proclaim any religion AND exposes the corruption of the LDS Church. BUT we do not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Why do you think the masons infiltrated that American Religion from the beginning? What was it about the Book of Mormon that made them so afraid? The Spaulding manuscript surfaced in Hawaii years later and was NOT similar to the Book of Mormon as indicated - a red herring. The Ancient American History (second witness of God and the Bible) which contains teachings of Jesus being the Eternal Father (Alma 11:23-40, Mosiah 15:1-5, Ether 3:14, etc.) exposes the "Kingmen", secret combinations, Anti-Christ (Hinckley), etc. of the LDS church as the "great and abominable church." (2 Nephi 28, D&C 64, D&C124, D&C 112) Don't close the door on truth because of the corruption of men. The truth is being restored Thanks to the Internet which can NOT be controlled. Have you reserched the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Phillip, etc. (early suppressed Christian writings) that have been preserved for this day of truth? They proclaim the equality of women in the eyes of God. (Men have a very hard time accepting this and even traditionally-trained women) For 6,000 years women have been suppressed. Seek truth - which does take effort. Good luck! Side note: My husband and Howard W. Hunter researched in the church arcives before they were closed and found historical documents being altered dramatically - "faith-promoting" history NOT truth. They made copies of significant records to preserve truth. Why was he "friends" with corrupt church leaders? Many reasons, actually. The leaders of the church prayed for the recovery of my husband (as a young boy) so that his father (important man behind the financial scenes of the church) wouldn't be charged with manslaughter for the accidental shootiong of his son with a loaded rifle in his truck. These corrupt leaders actually had a spiritual confirmation (probably the first in their money-changing lives) and so had an open-door policy for my husband throughout his life. He told them to repent of the masonic oaths in the temple and the covenanting to the church instead of to God, etc. After a gold mine was stolen through Zion's Bank (and other world banks) he & I have had our vehicles tampered with many times (2 cars totalled so far). And anti-mormons who have thrown the baby out with the bath water don't like it that we value the ORIGINAL Book of Mormon or say that for a short time Joseph Smith did a good thing - translation of the Book of Mormon - which was pretty much the ONLY thing he should have done. We hate polygamy,knowing it's an abomination of the Lord. Same for the Masonic blood oaths (Satanic). We have researched the MKUltra mind control involvement of Hinckley and the boys, etc. Corruption is being exposed and it is still for most a maize of what to believe and what not to believe. So pray about everything AFTER you have reserched it with a pure heart. No religion (or leader) has the answer, but may be much needed to help focus on the Lord. Again - Good Luck! I probably won't have much time in the future to post often. Which is why, hopefully, you'll be intrigued enough to research things out on your own! Have a great life unto God! | ||
| godchild (godchild) Member Username: godchild Post Number: 71 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.143 |
truerae, I did understand the website. I do not believe the bom is any more than fiction. The Holy Bible is the Word of God. Period. I continually search things out on my own and with help of others like yourself. And I thank you for that. God Bless you and yours. Did the Masons infiltrate the church or did the church borrow from the masons? I believe with further research you will find the latter to be true. The masons had/have no reason to fear the bom. Now, the Holy Bible, I can understand that. The problem was they expected, as joe smith did, that the secrets would never get out. You must realize that Joseph Smith's story of how he found the (fictional) plates were found and translated are numerous. That shot his credibility right there. He wasn't exactly a pious young man seeking truth. If you believe the bom then how can you believe the Bible? Or do you think a young treasure seeker accidentally discovered gold plates (that mysteriously disappeared from history) and decided to develop a ficticious language in order to translate and start a church that would become his goldmine? | ||
| godchild (godchild) Member Username: godchild Post Number: 72 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.143 |
Somehow I led you to think I believe the bible teaches women are not equal. I don't believe that. Men's interpretations do. Not mine. I know that I am as equal as any man because the Bible tells me "God is no respector of persons". It also speaks of women prophetesses, such as Deborah in the Old Testament. I try to grow where God has planted me. I let his spirit guide me and do my best to glorify him. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Member Username: godchild Post Number: 73 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.143 |
The Holy Bible warned of false prophets and false teachings. There is no evidence that shows js did not plagaerize portions of the Bible. There is also no evidence the bom is any more than historical fiction. I'm sorry, but those are the facts. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Member Username: godchild Post Number: 74 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.143 |
The transformation link you posted is only a doctor's webpage. Could it have been mispelled? I would be interested in seeing about Hinkley's background. | ||
| x11 (x11) Junior Member Username: x11 Post Number: 36 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 208.186.103.20 |
I've read some of the pages on the link provided by truerae, while some of whats said holds water the bom is still and will forever remain a fictional book. | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) New member Username: steelsword Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 207.69.138.137 |
Also the Nag Hamadi Gospels may have parts that sound like scripture, they venture away from the holy bible in many ways. In the gospel of Thomas thay define a diffrent Jesus. http://www.biblequery.org/OtherBeliefs/liberalChurches/JesusSeminar.htm http://www.mahatmarandy.com/sacrilege/Apocryphon_James.htm http://www.equip.org/free/DG040-2.htm | ||
| cjv (cjv) Member Username: cjv Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.177.85.203 |
Amen steel, x11 and godchild! God bless you all for your witness to the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. These extra books, or writings that showed up "later" or the notion that the Bible is missing parts, corrupted, translated improperly is something that cults use to insert their own revelatory teachings. The Bible says: Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. When the Lord has something in the Bible that is repeated, it means it's very important to say the least. The Bible also tells us that if any of these things were true -- if parts were missing, or if the Bible became corrupted or even if the Bible was destroyed in part or whole, the Lord is able to restore His Holy Word and then some. Read Jeremiah chapter 36 -- the entire chapter. The Lord told Jeremiah to "take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah...even unto this day." Jeremiah spoke and Baruch wrote it down as the Lord told them to do. Then Baruch read aloud the words that were written. The kind got wind of this "roll" and sent for it. There was a fire burning in the "winterhouse" the king was in. The king then read a few leaves, took a knife, cut the whole thing up and threw it in the fire. The word of the Lord came to Jeremiah after the king burned the roll and told him, "Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned..." Jeremiah took another roll, gave it to Baruch the scribe, and not only wrote all the words that had been burned in the fire, but ADDED MANY LIKE WORDS. The Bible tells us: 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. John chapter 1 tells us that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and GOD WAS THE WORD. In verse 14 of that same chapter -- it tells us that Jesus Christ was the WORD IN THE FLESH. The Bible is a supernatural, holy, LIVING thing. God would not have allowed it to become corrupted -- we saw that in Jeremiah chapter 36. The Bible was IN THE BEGINNING -- it is God made -- HOLY men of God wrote as they were moved by the HOLY SPIRIT. This is not something that men can trifle with. They can only trifle with the minds of those who would believe that God is not able to protect His Word. "In Christ alone I place my trust..." |
